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Bass Drum Swivel Technique
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2018
- Here's a quick example of the swivel technique that I use for some of the faster stuff that I do. I have a lot of people ask me about it so I thought I'd post a quick video on a bass drum practice pad (it's actually a Roland KD-8 rubber drum trigger pad, unplugged). I'm using an older Tama Iron Cobra double pedal with a Trick driveshaft. Spring tension maxed out, beaters about 45 degrees. I normally use two separate kicks with Axis Longboards and highly recommend them, but wanted to show this technic works on any pedal, even if you are used to something else... This isn't a top speed run or trying to achieve perfection here...just an example of how to do it on whatever you have available. :)
Recorded with an iPhone 6s plus
I could do 180bpm with hel-toe, but with this technique, I did 220-250 smoothly...However, my knees were hurting a lot & they were getting worst. So, I learnt from the begenning and started playing ankle motion. I have reached 250, but still working on smoothness and shifting from 8 to 16 or 12 to 16 notes...
This would sound great during a ballad.
Once I saw a drummer on stage playing this kind of superspeed bas drum. I thought he got some help from a drum machine or whatever hi-tech thing, until I found this video. I actually am not a drummer, but I like playing a drums set so much when I sometimes get bored with melodious kind of thing in playing guitar, woodwinds, or keyboard. I'd really like to try this technique.. thanks mate 👍
No problem, thanks for checking it out!
Just be careful with how much you do it because it's bad for your knees. Sounds great though.
Thank you! A lot of the knee issues can be avoided if you pay attention to the amount of friction on the pedals and side to side motion. You don’t want to be grinding your feet into the pedals. You can hit hard with this technique but also be fluid and light with the actual swivel motion. The power is in the actual moment of the downstroke. You also don’t want to go crazy with side to side motion. Too much of either of these will start to actually slow you down and could give you knee pain. Soreness (as in a good solid workout) is good. If you feel pain, stop and figure out where in the motion is causing the pain and then modify. The worst setup for your pedals to do this would be skateboard friction tape on your pedals. Some guys like this so there feet stay planted on the pedal. A terrible idea though if you want to do any swivel or slide techniques! You’ll certainly feel it in your knees if you do this!
How is it “bad for your knees?” As a strength coach and drummer, there is no way internal and external rotation while plantar and dorsi flexing at a high rate is going to hurt the knees. As with anything, too much too soon, can cause problems. These are submaximal loads, short range of motion, high speed efforts.
So, walking would deal more damage on your knees than this😂
How is it bad for your knees ? For real ?
My question is how hi do you set your throne ? Are your feet hanging to a certain extent ?
Sounds good boss!
Thank you!
Is no one gonna talk how one of his leg is huge compared to the other
It’s the camera angle. I assure you my legs are the same size! Hahaha.
These ones are small, but the ones out there are faaaaarrr away
@@ryan-uf9er I understood that reference!!
@@Godthissucksss haha I had just watched that episode that day
It's just an octagon delusion 😅😜
0:24 when you're rubbing one out and your parents pull up on the drive way
Just for my understanding and out of interest... (not a drummer, but bass player) ... if the pedal moves up and down, how does moving sideways help? Being able to play fast must be all about economy of motion, right?
Is it about activating different muscles to increase endurance more than speed?
Thanks
Once you reach a certain speed, the pedals essentially bounce off of your feet without you having to put much effort into making the beater strike, and the swiveling motion is basically to keep momentum
@@kreator4life makes sense. Thanks
Yeah fast kicks r awesome but I thought swivel kicks damage your ankles & knees it seems an unnatural movement !???!
There is still a downward stroke with each left motion and each right motion of the swivel. The downward strokes on each side of the swivel are getting a bit of an angular strike which is using a slightly different muscle group and allows for longer muscle recovery on each side of the stroke, thus allowing for longer and faster double bass runs. Kind of hard to explain until you do it a little bit and start to master the technique. Not the easiest technique to master, but can be a lot of fun.
Adrian Jabs Yes you can tear up your ankles and knees if you aren’t careful. Sticky pedals or shoes will create too much friction for swivelling and you’ll feel that in your knees. Go too wild with back and forth and you’ll feel that too. You need to learn how to control it so you avoid damage. If your muscles are sore, that’s ok and means you’re getting a good workout. If you feel pain you should stop and figure out what part of the motion is causing pain, then modify or correct.
Seems like the algorithm got you, so lucky. Nice content btw!
Heel to toe. Then, "run!" My bass player- also a drummer- gave me the hairy eyeball at rehearsal a while back when I was warming up my foots....
Amazing technique! 😊🥁
Thank you!
Nice technique. I'm not a double-kick player, but I use my DW5000 double-kick pedals to play bass fills, flams, and short double-kick runs (at the speed of Motorhead's "Ace Of Spades") no more than 2 measures (4 measures is my limit, tho, I can't sustain coordination in my feet for long).
What model of double-kick pedals are those you have there? They seem very responsive to the speed of your feet. I noticed the Trick linkage bar there, that bar is excellent... no lag, very consistent between the slave and master pedals. I fitted my DW5000 Accelerator double-kick pedals with a Ludwig Atlas Pro link drive bar, and I replaced the stock single-chain cams for a pair of Pearl Demon direct-drive cams... my modified pedals feel totally consistent with the Frankensteined hardware upgrade.
I'll try to practice the swivel technique so that I can develop my coordination and speed to tighten up my double-kick fills and runs.
Thanks for sharing this with us!
These are older model iron cobra pedals, hp900 series. They’re probably a good 10 years old, I got them used and bought the Trick driveshaft since the original one was shot. It’s a nice driveshaft with no lag and smoother feeling than most stock driveshafts for common pedals. I also have some DW5000 pedals. I played those for years and can swivel on those just as well. My favorite for higher speed stuff though are my axis longboards. This video I originally did for a few friends to show them what I was doing, and that it’s possible to do on just about any pedal as long as you have the technique down solid. Now the video has taken off like crazy! Maybe now I’ll do another one. 😁
Excellent 👌!!!
Thank you!🤘🤘🤘
Can you explain the mechanic of this please it's a very interesting technique
I have always been a rabid single pedal advocate, but I have just recently gotten involved in digging and some of them are requiring double pedal. So I am trying to learn new techniques. Thank you in advance
Excellent-thanks for posting. 🥁
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GREAT BRO! AMAZZZING... WHAT BD PAD ARE YOU USING.... ????
I do this to get a good calf workout!
This is learning to be a machine that has a motor!
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I have cerebral palsy in my legs and feet so doing this technique is very hard but I will keep trying
How fast can you play heel down?
Ew heel down gross
Sam Wong haha!
I can play pretty fast heel down, but not as fast as swiveling. I usually play heel up until I hit a certain speed and then slip into swivel. I actually practice heel down sometimes as it helps with speed, power and control with the other strokes.
@@samwong8193 i agree
My brain says YES!, my feet say NO!
Amazing, what a machine !!
Great name
You look like you play both acoustic and electronic drums. For training, how close does that Roland kick pad feel to the acoustic bass drum? Is the rebound too much, too little, or pretty much the same.
I mostly play acoustic, but there are times where I have to practice on an electronic kit or practice pad. The combo I used here, the older Roland rubber kick tower (it does flex and softer in the middle, which helps) and using felt beaters, worked pretty good and felt ok to me coming from an acoustic kit. It’s just what I had available at the time when I did the video. It’s funny how I did this video on a whim and all the questions I get! I’m totally happy to answer though. 😁Sometimes mesh kick pads feel a little bouncy for my taste and at the time I was preferring this set up for quieter practicing. On my acoustic kit I normally use 2 separate bass drums and Axis longboards, just one pillow in each bass drum and medium punchy sounding bass drum head tension.
@@albertborn I appreciate the response. At home, I have a TD-30 flagship kit (so I don’t get noise complaints). I do have a KD-8 like you do in the video. It has been 3 months since I’ve played on an acoustic and I’m scared that I’ve become de-trained.
I do most of my grinding on the practice pad with a Steve Smith kick practice pad (not really ideal for double bass practice). I definitely agree that the mesh KD-120’s extra rebound allows me to play 10 bpm beyond my true acoustic peak.
I always felt that the KD-8 might be closer to the feel of an acoustic bass drum, but I wanted to ask someone first.
sounds good boss Amazing
Thank you!
Nice... You made it look easy...
Thank you! 😁
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If the drummer is lanky with shredded calves, you’re dying in the pit
Pete Sandoval created all that back in 87. In Los Angeles California.
Great skills...
Thank you!
Those calves look so strong they look like their on the verge of cramping
Orphan - slipknot
Me in my room at 11:59 pm
Просто и зачётно!
Wow, it's very cool. 😲😲👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Ya... about that... I won't ever be this good.
Sure you can. Practice, practice practice! Have someone show you the mechanics of it and break it down for you. You can do it!
The hands even get better when the feet can work like the hands
Your my idol
Amazing
Thanks!
Is it a relaxed technique?
I still don't know what to do to do it.
Can it be dynamic in speed or strength/volume ?
Cheers
Yes, it can be dynamic in speed and strength. A lot of guys trigger when playing really fast double bass for clarity, so you just don’t hear the dynamics so much and seems like it’s only good for speed. However, you can go fast, slow, accent notes and such with it. However, it’s popularity is in the sheer speed and power you can get once you master it. It is probably the most powerful fast technique to go for high speeds other than single strokes - most guys struggle to get past 210-220bpm with singles. Swivel technique can get you past that and it still feels and sounds powerful. I’ve been able to do over 250bpm for a minute straight with clean and even strokes. I can go even faster for shorter runs. It is a somewhat relaxed technique, but the little details of the motion is the hardest for most to master. You swivel with light pressure on the ball of your foot and then push down (rotating your ankle down, not your whole leg) toward the end of each side motion. Each hit is an individual stroke. One stroke is on the left side of the pedal, the other is on the right. Speed and dynamics are totally controllable. When I play it slower I tend to exaggerate the stroke and that helps me keep things fluid. As the speed increases the motion becomes smaller and there is more focus on delivering consistent power on each side of the stroke without tensing up. When going really fast and you’ve built up endurance it is almost a euphoric floating type feeling, almost like there is a flywheel on your legs that keeps everything going and you don’t want to stop. You will probably have a weak side on each foot of your swivel, but that works itself out with practice and focusing on the motion. It takes a lot of focused practice to get it down, but once you do it feels pretty natural.
@@albertborn wow, thank you so much for this long and detailed explanation. 😍❤️
Dave Lombardo's Angel of death is coming
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Smg guy goes brrrrr
Sir are you starting a motor? :)
Pretty much!
excellent‼️
Thank you!
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That kickpad is a hockey puck
Other than being a bit loud, it’s actually not too bad and has some flexibility to the rubber with padding behind the rubber. I’ve since sold it though. It was an older Roland one, part of a TD3 kit. I actually sometimes liked it more than a mesh head because those can feel a little bouncy. Now most of the time I’m on acoustic bass drums.
Really wanna become a drummer.
DO IT
@@nielsenkasser673 but I'm 14
@@milan.0363 I started when I was 12
@@nielsenkasser673 oh!! Are you good in drumming?
@@milan.0363 I’m pretty good I’ve been playing for 3 years
What is ur spring tension, & how far beater set back?
I usually have my spring tension maxed out, beaters at about a 45 degree angle or so. I usually play heel up and I don’t bury the beater. Having the beater further back and higher spring tension allows me to float the beater and have some pre-tension.
Para hacer zwivel los resortes van tensos o flojos ?
Tengo los resortes lo más apretados posible. (I have the springs as tight as possible).
Gracias por contestar .saludos y los martillos los tienes a V o L osea muy pegados o muy separados del bombo
Mi espanol no es perfecto, solamente hablar un poco - no entiendo “los martillos los tienes a V o L osea muy pegados o muy separados del bombo”. 😁. ¿Algo que ver con los martillos y el espaciamiento?
Ok ,que si las masas o los martillos que tan separados del parche los recomiendas ?
Is that powerglide or rolling glide ?
Powerglide
What the heck is that tiny little thing you’re using as a bass drum and how the hell can you do that when you’re using a regular bass drum? I know I just started but I like a drum to look like a drum and still be able to perform
It’s a bass drum practice pad. Technically it’s a Roland kick trigger pad but in this case I was using it unplugged and just as a practice pad. Normally I play a real bass drum or two which I prefer over a practice pad, but this was to just show the technique. Once you learn this technique you should be able to do it on just about any pad or drum with any half way decent pedal.
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Man I have cp and I will lern how to do this
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aaron kitcher:
This is cool but I still don’t get it
Is that hard to learn?
The hardest part is understanding the motion and training your muscles to do it. Once you break it down and understand the motion it gets easier. Then lots of work on making the strokes as even as possible. Start slowly!!! It’s something that takes patience and practice.
@@albertborn man it was hard enough learning rudiments with my hands lol. This looks insane. Thanks!
I love this technique except sometimes every hit needs the same amount of power
Its medium spring tension low or tight?
MAN THOSE BLACK SOCKS ( WISH THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN PRINTED THIGH HIGHS ) LOOKS REALLY SEXY LOOKING ON YOU BRO
Spring tension is maxed out.
@@harryhagman6063 Haha…. I normally wear low ankle socks when I play but this must have been all I had clean that day. 😂
@@albertborn TECHNIQUE IS AWESOME
yep, just like that drummer from a band named jasad
Sounds like 6cyl boxer engine at idle. Good though
Thank you!
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Waow...
cmq le calze sono inguardabili
Can you sew something for me?
0:24 Dave Lombardo + Joey Jordison
why was that so bad though? he started with both kicks at the same time, that is so unpleasing to watch
What driveshaft are you using?
He appears to have purchased a Trick V2 drive shaft as a spare part and attached it to his Tama pedals. To my understanding, using Tama pedals with a Trick driveshaft is the way to go.
I think it's Pearl DS-300A or Trick P1V6P.
www.drumsetc.com/content/pearl-double-pedal-demon-drive-shaft-ds-300a
trickdrums.com/product/v6-drive-shaft-trick-pedals/
You can get a Pearl Demon Drive Shaft or a Trick V6 drive shaft and replace your Tama one with it and people do this because Tama makes good pedals but their drive shafts tend to have a little bit of play.
Trick. It is awesome. Much better than the stock ones
Muito top
Se quedo electrocutado 😆😆🇦🇷👍🏻
So hard
Viagem total kk
It looks like he needs to pee!! 😂😂😂
Haha!
Seu batedor direito tá acentuando nas notas kkkk
Sí un poco. Es natural acentuar un poco cuando se juega más rápido para mantener la parte superior del ritmo en el tiempo. No siempre acentúo así, solo depende de lo que esté jugando o de lo que se sienta bien.
Nice one dude
Thanks man
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А одной падалью сделать дробь слабо?
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Зачёт! Интересно только одно, это баба играет или мужик)
Fajne kapcie
Joey jordison son haha
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Your hired 500 beats (Kicks) for $250 call me Milwaukee
Lol right
se te va a explotar la varice xd
Rápido mas imperfeito...
Damn!
What’s up Jesse!
@@albertborn all hail the double bass
@@jessebowles5632 🤘🤘🤘
aww man I missed 4.2k likes and 69 dislikes by *_ONE_* freakin dislike ..dangit *c;*
Is shaving your legs necessary?
lml
Might wanna work out your other leg
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Девушка ? , а ноги как у мужика🤔
Ага... ! И дышит как мужик! :-)
Das ist lustig..
Why are germans in the comment sections literally everywhere?
You have a lot of discipline. Now use your time to get musical. Anyone can burn through sixteenth notes. Not trying to be rude. You have potential, but learn something innovative. Best wishes, Utah Kid.......
Thank you. It is not an easy technique to master and it does take discipline. I think you may have missed the point of the video though…. There was no reason for me to be musical or innovative in this video. It was simply to show a particular technique….
@@albertborn Point taken. I love kick drum. Keep rockin... Utah Kid.......
@@jasonglasmann3734 🤘
This is what happens when you're young and inexperienced. 🙄 You're using a lot more energy and effort.
Lydirius, can you do this technique? Please show us.
i love how theres always some old dude in the comments of every video on swivel/heeltoe/whatever drum video that has 0 understanding of the mechanics behind the technique lmao
Horrível kkkkkkk
lol !
This is so Walmart.
Doesn't sound great and uniform to me... I heard uncontrolled accent... Keep enjoy practicing
Stewart copeland tocaba el bombo con un solo pie y sin tantos medios