The way this mother was treated by authorities is appalling - they all should be ashamed of their shoddy police work - they failed Charles and his mother - shame on them!!! My heart goes out to Denise & her undying quest to find Charles.
Everything about this case is so heartbreaking, from what happened to Charles to how Denise was treated by the authorities. As a Canadian I am so ashamed for what they put her through.
Denise, what a remarkable woman. I hope she gets the answers she deserves. What a wonderful relationship she had with Charles. Sending love and light to her from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 ❤
I wouldnt say that because I learned from experience, people look at you wrong when someone started saying its you it picks up pace and suddenly its you , and you damn well its not you . its a mob mentality , im not saying he doesnt know im just saying its 50/50.
@@asahel980,Why was Phil seen wearing his clothes?..Why didn't Phil made a missing person report to the police once he found an empty tent on his camping ground???
Where are peoples morals and common sense? This is insanity. Also they put no pressure on the weirdo wearing the man’s clothes????!!! Who didn’t give his items in to the police in case something had happened on his site? I also can’t believe they strapped the mother down and put her in a ward as if she’s not the only person with any sense or morals ?! Craziest thing I’ve seen in a very long time. She’s a very graceful loving mother and my heart feels for her💕
When our brother was 14, he did not come home one night when he clearly stated he’d be home at 11 pm. We could not locate or contact the friend he went out with (also 14). Worried sick, very early the next morning we called the non-emergency police number in Calgary. The officer who took the call totally didn’t give a shit. He’s just out with his friends. We tried to give as much information as possible. Their ages. They never did this before. This was very unusual. The other family cannot locate their son either. This was pre-cellphone era. The officer (I should say POS) became impatient, kept dismissing every thing we said, he was cruel & heartless. I asked him why he was a cop which made him angry. Very unprofessional cop was not going to do anything or process our call any further. It was mind blowing that he didn’t listen to anything we said. Turns out my brother & his friend met two older guys who took them to a party outside the city and left them there! The two took hours to walk back home in the dark but also slept in a field in the early morning hours. They arrived home in the afternoon starving, hungry, dusty, and in so much foot pain. They never went out without a quarter ever again! I’m grateful my brother was safe but cops then and today need empathy training and coaching on how to be human being toward families worried or in distress. Our situation turned out ok. I’m so sorry this mom received cruel treatment from the police. Condolences to all the family and friends. 💔
Totally agree about cops needing empathy training and coaching but those two assholes who took ur brother and his friend out of town and left them there, I have a few questions for them 🤬
The guy on the boat running the machine looking for the body even he was being condescending and she was paying him a 1000 dollars a day , with no compassion at all
The RCMP botched this investigation by their actions. Also I believe that Phil knows more than he is saying. I’m so sorry that Charles mother had to go through such a horrific drama trying to find her son. Why would Phil take his clothes and keep some of his items. Something is not sitting right. Condolences to his Mother 💔💔💔. To lose a child is a nightmare, I know, my son was murdered and there was no justice for his murder. 😢
@@Canadiana71 I read ALL of David Icke's books back in the 1990s which got me started in conspiracy work! I saw him speak in Vernon, and Kamloops back then! The satanic cabals he spoke of are...REAL.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your son and the fact that he was murdered. At least you got justice. My ex is missing and that's just horrible. Not to know is the worse. At this point I'd rather know he's dead than not knowing anything. No matter how horrible and egoistic that is.
I thought the same thing! How heartless can you be. Everyone failed this young man and his mother. Absolutely inhumane how this poor woman was treated.
I am actually 100% sure that the Journalist did not mean anything bad by the words; "Can a mother get over losing a son"...I don't think it was meant as a question at all , I think she said these words more to ascertain a heartbreaking fact to all of us listening , because believe me Not all people actually have enough empathy to understand that a mother will never ever get over the loss of a son/daughter..At least that's how I interpreted the words because I've heard so many times how much compassion and consideration this Journalist has for the victims and their families. She is a nice person with her heart in the right place, she would never say anything to hurt anyone, especially not a mother who is completely broken with grief and pain...
One of the most touching story I have ever heard. My prayers go out to her. Her had to be special, just listening to his mother talk. She is poised and a very Devine woman.
I was almost in tears myself, but I have been hardened by my own heart-breaking experiences with the satanic system! I haven't seen my own daughter since 1992!
Precious Charles and Denise you are always in my heart. Denise you went through sooooo much mental torture and I am so sorry and it hurts me to see you suffer like this. I know deep in my heart that your precious boy Charles is so proud of you and has the biggest smile up in Heaven saying look at my mom, she never gave up on me. Please try to Rest and take care of your health. I pray your heart will ease and Charles Karoly John Horvath-Allan will be located and brought home for a proper burial of your choice, not theirs. I love you and care about you very much Denise.. xoxox Love Diana Trepkov ( friend of Denise and forensic artist of the pencil sketch of Charles Horvath Allan.) Thank you so much to Crime Beat and to everyone involved, you did an incredible job on this documentary, thank you Jules Knox for the amazing work you do. I appreciate you.) It is time for Charles to come home.
I just discovered Crime Beat a few days ago, and when I saw faces I recognized on this episode I was shocked! I used to live in Kelowna back then and I met Phil Flett! I was NOT impressed!
The gaslighting is unreal. I don't believe a word of these alleged 'sightings'. He met his end at that party and for some reason the RCMP, as usual, were in cahoots with criminals and covered it up. Hospitalizing the mother, then attempting to convince her that he was alive and well are their usual manipulation tactics. Phil is guilty. Wearing his clothes, removing photos, drugging his friend, were all actions of a GUILTY person. RIP Charles and strength and love to his mother. ❤
Devastating...she just wants the truth, alive or not....this poor mother....how can these ppl let her live like this....God bless the mom and Charles soul!
I noticed when he was asked a question, he took a deep swallow. Not necessarily an indicator of guilt but combined with other body language could mean he knows something
The whole country is a mistake and accident that turned into absolute shit puddle . also lieing by the police on tv and the phil guy that runs the park is in on it im sure phil is related to a cop or paid off a copp but he is 100% involved
I agree that the RMCP lied when they said they were believed he was alive and seen years after he was last seen at the campground. It was a tainted identification through photos. They know something happened to him at that campground but they botched the investigation from day one and never wanted to turn it around. Reminds me of the case of an Australian man Owen who disappeared in Canada after going to a music festival. He was assaulted & ended up disappearing from the hospital. I can't remember how many years it was before they found some of his remains in the forest. RMCP bodges that investigation and treated Owen's family poorly.
Kelowna RCMP really dropped the ball on this case. What they put that poor mother through💔 they should be held accountable Its obvious Phil Flett knows something watch his body language
It's not a dumb question. My guess is that the family of the diseased person didn't want his name out there in the media. I'm a private person, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted the media on my doorstep if it had been my brother or son.
Bikers in the 80’s were wild back then. If you step out of line. There’s no telling what they will do. MAYBE he got too drunk and friendly and was annoying them. They have ways of dealing with situations like that. Just my opinion. And that manager definitely shady.
@@river8760 There’s a reason why that guy had his face blurred out and feared for his safety when he was talking. There were bikers in the mix. And if they actually had something to do with it. Nobody’s going to say anything fearing that they will come after them too. I believe he got beat to death by them. Bikers don’t party with normal civilians. If so. It’s usually women, never men. Sad situation. I feel for the mom.
The RCMP was horrible and I am so sorry for this mother unbelievable what she went through and how she was treated. The RCMP should really be replaced by a better police force.
Back in the 1980's I new the RCMP detective Smith and he was always looking after his own Back side and I never new how someone so uncaring could be in his position. He did as little as possible in doing his job.
Absolutely appalling behaviour from the Police Force towards Charles's mother, she was brave and inspirational and put them all to shame! And the fact that she was made to pay for the search in the lake is outrageous
Wow, this story really disgusted me. The way this woman has been treated from day one is shocking. My heart breaks for her. I don't understand why both Canada and the States are so reluctant to take missing people cases seriously.
This reminds me so much of Owen Rooney's case. He was an Australian man who also disappeared from Kelowna in 2010 after working in the area & going to a music festival. He was assaulted & ended up in hospital where he disappeared from. RMCP also botched his investigation & Owen's family was also treated horrendously by authorities. His remains were found in 2017 in the bush. Charles' Mum has been through hell & he definitely died at that campground. I don't believe he worked on May 26th
No mother should EVER have to go through what Denise has. R.I.P Charles, i hope you are found and brought out of the darkness and laid to rest like you deserve. 🕊❤️
I met Charles on Sunshine Coast in June 1992 outside a store. He was sitting on steps with large backpack. I gave him a ride to the ferry so he wouldn't miss it. I know it was him. He had the accent, and said his name was Charles. I saw the Unsolved Mystery episode when it aired and recognized him immediately,and did call them about our meeting. Last I heard about it until now.
@@MsScorpioRising1111I agree. Esp if he left all of his valuables and passport… even if he was running away in fear, I don’t think he would torture his mother all these years. He would have found some way to get a message to his mother. If she hears from him, she could easily stop pursuing the case and people would forget about it and she could go join him. I really really doubt it.
Imagine treating someone like that who is looking for their missing son and you just found a body. Do these people not even know how to treat a human with basic decency?
It's absolutely heartbreaking 💔 . Shame on whoever knows something and doesn't tell. Someone should end this mother's suffering by showing up and telling the truth.
Poor lady. I wish Charles had been smarter about his safety. bc is a rough place and rcmp out there seem pretty useless about capturing murderers of prostitutes, indigenous girls and now backpackers, too. It’s a joke at how bad the policing is out there.
When one is travelling with little to no $$$ he winds up at LOW RENT DUMPS like Tiny Town! I lived in Kelowna when this happened and I actually stayed at Tiny Town in my Trailer for a few days! It has a VERY BAD VIBE!
Everyone? Even me?? Please blame and shame appropriately. The police likely had far too much bias for the community of ppl he chose to stay with. Probably ppl living on the fringe that law enforcement resent, and the general public characterize as nuisance. It’s the cops who failed this woman. It is a massive blemish on Canadian law enforcement. Most Canadians wouldn’t have known anything about this. I certainly didn’t.
Thing about small Canadian towns and cities is everyone knows everyone and there’s a F ton of corruption and generally don’t want to attract attention from other agencies and the public so they tend to push a lot of things under the Rug.
Some nurses mess up a lot. I had a baby who was stillborn 13 years ago and I still remember a nurse walking in and saying congratulations. She had looked at the wrong chart. I was too much in shock to get upset
Denise lost THOUSANDS of $$$ already trying to find Charles! A P.I. would not have helped her! I wish I could have helped her while she was in Kelowna tho! I was living there then...
Seems like the cops were happy to accept any red herrings or even create them to rid themselves of this heartbroken mother. One must wonder how those cops treat their own mothers and if they ever imagine what they would do if their children disappeared and they were treated with such disdain.
I remember this I was living in Kelona at the time this is so sad I can’t believe it’s been 30 years. This poor mama. I am a mother now and I couldn’t imagine what she’s going through sending all her love and prayers to you that one day someone will have the courage to tell the story and give up with your son is.
@@mr.blackhawk142I think Dennis and the OP is well aware of Charles having been killed. I think the OP meant that she hopes someone would tell Dennis where Charles’ body is so she can get some answers at least. I don’t think she will ever get ‘closure’. Not when a mother loses their child like this and was treated with so much disdain by the people whose job it was to help her find her child. Those wounds don’t heal 😔. I hope that someone, preferably more than one person, find themselves into Dennis’ life and shows her the love and respect that Charles would have given his mother. I hope that at the very least in these years where she’s feeling the frailty of age, that she is able to find some joy in her life.
It’s a shame Karoly was so trusting. Just watching this program as a world traveller you gain instincts about areas to avoid. He seemed to be in the thick of a very transient community, likely known to local law enforcement. Unfortunately, the cops often wash their hands of these ppl in rural areas and allow them to run their petty crimes, and dealings. What an immense failure. These small town cops did nothing and should be called to account. Bring this nice Hungarian boy home to his Édesanya 🇬🇧♥️🇭🇺
This is NOT a rural area! Tiny Town campground was actually right next to Gyro Beach, a very popular swimming beach area in Kelowna, which is the LARGEST city in interior BC!
Wow, that woman deserved more answers. Clearly the RCMP know that he had a bank acct and had to work, they sound and look like silly idiots!!! I can only hope this episode can maybe stir something up for Mum.
I know what this feels like My oldest left home to LA to experience the rap scene & he almost died. It happened twice because he was intent on seeing more & more. He had to be rescued from LA when the cops beat him for being incoherent & dehydrated Eventually he was taken to Cedar Sinai hospital where they contacted me We worked hard to get him back home. We got him back home He’ll never go back there I’m disgusted at the treatment in the finality. People are selfish & uncaring
What a shame. This poor lady, such an irresponsible response to her pain :( . I don't understand the RCMP's continued denial that something had happened to him. In so many years and as time went by they still shrugged it off. Seems they are in the habit of doing this only to be proven wrong over and over again. I really hope they stop assuming and actual start looking for people who are missing!!!
I’m paused at the 26 minute mark and I’m asking myself where is Charles father and other family members in Canada? Why is his mother suffering alone? Can Charles father not come and assist the mother of his child? Does he himself not care about what happened to his son L what about other family members in Ontario? What up with the silence from other family members?
Good questions. One can only assume that he was out of the picture. Could have died or maybe have no relationship with Dennis and Charles. Dennis is such an extraordinary woman who did a remarkable job raising a lovely young man who had a loving relationship with her. She deserved to be treated so so much better. I usually refrain from imagining and wishing that the crimes didn’t happen in true crime cases because I know it wouldn’t change anything and I’d just end up too upset. But in this case I really really wished Charles went home to his mother instead of going to that awful place and for them to have spent their lives together. She’s been alone for all these years and seems alone now. It absolutely breaks my heart. As a mother, I can imagine myself doing the same as she did. 😔
My heart breaks for her so bad 😢😢😢 I am praying really hard that she finds out what happen to her only child ❤ I am a mother of one son as well and I cant imagine the pain & not knowing ,,, she got a life sentence of so much pain 😢😢😢 Phil is a muderer,,,even if he didnt do it hes guilty for not saying anything ,,,if the B.C cops did a proper investigation & grilled Phil i believe they would know what hapoen to this poor man , cold hearted & evil. Im so sorry you have to go through this 😢❤
Our Prayers 🙏to you @Denise as for your beloved son❤ Charles! I'm sorry you were treated so Badly💔 in Canada!!! You are so Strong💪 and Admired for what you have Did & Done to FIND your Son!!! Praying for ALL the Answers YOU Need Soon! God 'Bless' You & Hope you get the "TRUTH"! Someone Knows❤
The way the police handled her son’s disappearance and the way they treated her was disgraceful. And the one officer saying he thinks her son is still alive but purposefully living his life not wanting to be found is such a cop-out. They couldn’t solve the case so started making stuff up. Disgusting. I hope this lady has found some peace in her life. My heart goes out to her.
These police are a bloody joke and at every step they have let both him and his family down. And his mother should sue that police department. I sure as hell don't trust the guy Phil. The mother has been through total hell.
The RCMP guy said there is no evidence of foul play! How about the Tiny Town manager wearing his clothes after disposing of his passport and all the other belongings he didn't use. The RCMP didn't find evidence because they didn't seem to do much investigating when he went missing for the first 3 years. They didn't do anything until his mum travelled there and got leads and the media got involved. They obviously haven't seen the shows about The First 48 or The First 72 - its much harder to find evidence after the first couple of days. If there was evidence its pretty unlikely RCMP would find it.
The RCMP sucked here. No compassion for his mother. If a Canadian were in the same circumstance in the UK, I think they would be very accommodating and helpful. I feel so sad for his mother.
I think the camp owner/manager Phil knew exactly what happened and when but took it with him to his death. Who was he afraid of if he didn't murder the poor guy? What was he trying to keep hidden by taking some of the pictures if that's a true story that he did?
Charles mother was and is a remarkable woman. She has gone on to advocate for the missing loved ones from peoples worlds. She and others who have missing loved ones have also gone on to form the Missing People's Choir who perform to keep their loved ones in peoples minds and to hopefully find them. The choir came to the general publics notice when they performed on BGT UK, and won the hearts of millions around the world who also had missing loved ones. The BGT platform made a huge difference to their cause. I hope that sometime they have the answers.
Park manager is guilty and the authorities are useless over there. Its not the first time they cant be stuffed and their incompetence shines through. Poor, unfortunate mother having to deal with their crap!
I saw her at Compassionate Friends Mothers Day memorial. It was her last time she said that she could come to Kelowna. There are many rumours coming from the streets. Such a sad situation.
Its always a money issue when someone is reported missing , they dont take them seriously first because they cant possibly mobilize a search and rescue operation everytime someone is reported missing. and yet Ive seen some cases that police acted so quickly because they know someone in the police or very rich and/or connected.
Omg! A mother looking for her son and ends up in a mental hospital.Seems she had no support and they lacked compassion for a grieving mother.Shameful Canada
This was a complete cluster F**k. My heart goes out to this Mother. Plus, doing that trek from Vancouver to our neck of the woods in a snow storm can be quite frightening. My heart goes out to this poor Mum. Next time I'm Kelowna, I'll put flowers in the lake for you.❤
I cant believe how badly this was handled. Where was the empathy by the police!? That campground manager throwing his stuff away! He is shady AF! The whole investigation was disgraceful!
Whoever wrote that letter knows that it's convenient to end the search just by recalling that there was a body that once tossed in the bridge and used it as an escape goat...
I am 22 mins in...the shameful way the paramedics treated Denise is HORRENDOUS beyond belief. The Canadian police have a lot to answer for in the way they treated this lovely lady who was/is just trying to find her son.
This is such a heartbreaking case. If Charles is alive, he would not let his mother suffer like this for years, no way. He was definitely murdered most likely by the bikers and well disposed of. Shocking that she recieved no help whatsoever in the beginning and then only a poor effort there after. Bless her, she has been through hell. Totally unfair in every way. 😢
Shocking, what this mom went through. I don't know if I can finish watching this. It's so heartbreaking.
The way this mother was treated by authorities is appalling - they all should be ashamed of their shoddy police work - they failed Charles and his mother - shame on them!!! My heart goes out to Denise & her undying quest to find Charles.
Sadly, they're not ashamed. They don't care about victims at all. Nobody can stand them at all.
Agreed 😭😭😭😭
What a mother will do for her child. This woman is something else but my heart breaks for her.
Everything about this case is so heartbreaking, from what happened to Charles to how Denise was treated by the authorities. As a Canadian I am so ashamed for what they put her through.
0MG 😢That poor mother ...and the mistreatment is absolutely shameful 💔
They smoking a BIG BACKWOODS PACKK 🚬💨
TELL ME ABOUT IT! I went thru very similar treatment by the SATANIC system in 1989-1992 and I have NOT seen my daughter since!
That letter is heartbreaking & shocking 💔💔😥
Another one shame on the RCMP, did not care for a mothers desperately asking for help!! Holysht it gets worst and worst how they treated her!
Denise, what a remarkable woman. I hope she gets the answers she deserves. What a wonderful relationship she had with Charles. Sending love and light to her from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 ❤
That campground Manager knows something for sure.
Oh For Sure ! But sadly took those secrets to the grave in 2020
@@p.j.lajoieoh no. That's too bad.
I get the impression he was affiliated with the bikers, probably had help from them disposing of the body at the very least.
I wouldnt say that because I learned from experience, people look at you wrong when someone started saying its you it picks up pace and suddenly its you , and you damn well its not you . its a mob mentality , im not saying he doesnt know im just saying its 50/50.
@@asahel980,Why was Phil seen wearing his clothes?..Why didn't Phil made a missing person report to the police once he found an empty tent on his camping ground???
Where are peoples morals and common sense? This is insanity. Also they put no pressure on the weirdo wearing the man’s clothes????!!! Who didn’t give his items in to the police in case something had happened on his site? I also can’t believe they strapped the mother down and put her in a ward as if she’s not the only person with any sense or morals ?! Craziest thing I’ve seen in a very long time. She’s a very graceful loving mother and my heart feels for her💕
When our brother was 14, he did not come home one night when he clearly stated he’d be home at 11 pm. We could not locate or contact the friend he went out with (also 14). Worried sick, very early the next morning we called the non-emergency police number in Calgary. The officer who took the call totally didn’t give a shit. He’s just out with his friends. We tried to give as much information as possible. Their ages. They never did this before. This was very unusual. The other family cannot locate their son either. This was pre-cellphone era. The officer (I should say POS) became impatient, kept dismissing every thing we said, he was cruel & heartless. I asked him why he was a cop which made him angry. Very unprofessional cop was not going to do anything or process our call any further. It was mind blowing that he didn’t listen to anything we said. Turns out my brother & his friend met two older guys who took them to a party outside the city and left them there! The two took hours to walk back home in the dark but also slept in a field in the early morning hours. They arrived home in the afternoon starving, hungry, dusty, and in so much foot pain. They never went out without a quarter ever again! I’m grateful my brother was safe but cops then and today need empathy training and coaching on how to be human being toward families worried or in distress. Our situation turned out ok. I’m so sorry this mom received cruel treatment from the police. Condolences to all the family and friends. 💔
Totally agree about cops needing empathy training and coaching but those two assholes who took ur brother and his friend out of town and left them there, I have a few questions for them 🤬
The guy on the boat running the machine looking for the body even he was being condescending and she was paying him a 1000 dollars a day , with no compassion at all
sickening
Yes and interestingly the guy on the boat was English as well , you would think perhaps that would have bonded them ...but seems not
Yes, they were so cruel to her. Hope they face the same thing they did to her
The RCMP botched this investigation by their actions. Also I believe that Phil knows more than he is saying. I’m so sorry that Charles mother had to go through such a horrific drama trying to find her son. Why would Phil take his clothes and keep some of his items. Something is not sitting right. Condolences to his Mother 💔💔💔. To lose a child is a nightmare, I know, my son was murdered and there was no justice for his murder. 😢
Phil passed in 2020 and took all those secrets about Charles with him
And you would think that would raise some suspicion with the police? Isn't it kinda weird that they didn't check his premises?
@@Canadiana71 I read ALL of David Icke's books back in the 1990s which got me started in conspiracy work! I saw him speak in Vernon, and Kamloops back then! The satanic cabals he spoke of are...REAL.
@@Canadiana71 Exactly!!!😬
I'm so sorry for the loss of your son and the fact that he was murdered.
At least you got justice.
My ex is missing and that's just horrible.
Not to know is the worse.
At this point I'd rather know he's dead than not knowing anything.
No matter how horrible and egoistic that is.
"Can a mother get over the death of a child?" What stupid question for that reporter to ask that poor woman. Shocking. Smh
I thought the same thing! How heartless can you be. Everyone failed this young man and his mother. Absolutely inhumane how this poor woman was treated.
I am actually 100% sure that the Journalist did not mean anything bad by the words;
"Can a mother get over losing a son"...I don't think it was meant as a question at all , I think she said these words more to ascertain a heartbreaking fact to all of us listening , because believe me Not all people actually have enough empathy to understand that a mother will never ever get over the loss of a son/daughter..At least that's how I interpreted the words because I've heard so many times how much compassion and consideration this Journalist has for the victims and their families. She is a nice person with her heart in the right place, she would never say anything to hurt anyone, especially not a mother who is completely broken with grief and pain...
@@karinhaland-kinnapel9219
My Mom always told me that a parent would never get over the death of their child
🇨🇦 Kelowna is my home town & was safe(r) in the 70's 🙏💙🙏💙🙏💙
One of the most touching story I have ever heard. My prayers go out to her. Her had to be special, just listening to his mother talk. She is poised and a very Devine woman.
He and his mom had such a wonderful relationship. 💔
sobbing at the end of this. this poor woman - i hope she can find peace.
I was almost in tears myself, but I have been hardened by my own heart-breaking experiences with the satanic system! I haven't seen my own daughter since 1992!
Precious Charles and Denise you are always in my heart. Denise you went through sooooo much mental torture and I am so sorry and it hurts me to see you suffer like this. I know deep in my heart that your precious boy Charles is so proud of you and has the biggest smile up in Heaven saying look at my mom, she never gave up on me. Please try to Rest and take care of your health. I pray your heart will ease and Charles Karoly John Horvath-Allan will be located and brought home for a proper burial of your choice, not theirs. I love you and care about you very much Denise.. xoxox Love Diana Trepkov ( friend of Denise and forensic artist of the pencil sketch of Charles Horvath Allan.) Thank you so much to Crime Beat and to everyone involved, you did an incredible job on this documentary, thank you Jules Knox for the amazing work you do. I appreciate you.) It is time for Charles to come home.
I just discovered Crime Beat a few days ago, and when I saw faces I recognized on this episode I was shocked! I used to live in Kelowna back then and I met Phil Flett! I was NOT impressed!
@dianatrepkov5430 Well ❤Written!!! Good people ( Denise & Charles ) you ALL are!!!🙏
The gaslighting is unreal. I don't believe a word of these alleged 'sightings'. He met his end at that party and for some reason the RCMP, as usual, were in cahoots with criminals and covered it up. Hospitalizing the mother, then attempting to convince her that he was alive and well are their usual manipulation tactics. Phil is guilty. Wearing his clothes, removing photos, drugging his friend, were all actions of a GUILTY person.
RIP Charles and strength and love to his mother. ❤
Devastating...she just wants the truth, alive or not....this poor mother....how can these ppl let her live like this....God bless the mom and Charles soul!
Is it just me or is the camp ground owner suspicious? Watch his body language.
I noticed when he was asked a question, he took a deep swallow. Not necessarily an indicator of guilt but combined with other body language could mean he knows something
@@Lorjarca yes I saw that too.
He passed away in 2021 from covid
Who?
The whole country is a mistake and accident that turned into absolute shit puddle . also lieing by the police on tv and the phil guy that runs the park is in on it im sure phil is related to a cop or paid off a copp but he is 100% involved
I agree that the RMCP lied when they said they were believed he was alive and seen years after he was last seen at the campground. It was a tainted identification through photos. They know something happened to him at that campground but they botched the investigation from day one and never wanted to turn it around. Reminds me of the case of an Australian man Owen who disappeared in Canada after going to a music festival. He was assaulted & ended up disappearing from the hospital. I can't remember how many years it was before they found some of his remains in the forest. RMCP bodges that investigation and treated Owen's family poorly.
It started with coopting from the First Nations for resources.
So true..Canada is a joke
Kelowna RCMP really dropped the ball on this case. What they put that poor mother through💔 they should be held accountable
Its obvious Phil Flett knows something watch his body language
Well Said.
This was so hard to watch. I pray the victim's mom finds the closure she deserves.
So maybe dumb question, but who was the body they found in the lake
It's not a dumb question. My guess is that the family of the diseased person didn't want his name out there in the media. I'm a private person, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted the media on my doorstep if it had been my brother or son.
On the unsolved mysteries episode they mentioned it was a 60 yr old Kelowna resident and suspected suicide
Bikers in the 80’s were wild back then. If you step out of line. There’s no telling what they will do. MAYBE he got too drunk and friendly and was annoying them. They have ways of dealing with situations like that. Just my opinion. And that manager definitely shady.
Definitely.
@@river8760 There’s a reason why that guy had his face blurred out and feared for his safety when he was talking. There were bikers in the mix. And if they actually had something to do with it. Nobody’s going to say anything fearing that they will come after them too. I believe he got beat to death by them. Bikers don’t party with normal civilians. If so. It’s usually women, never men. Sad situation. I feel for the mom.
Yes and attitudes to gays were very different then as well
The RCMP was horrible and I am so sorry for this mother unbelievable what she went through and how she was treated. The RCMP should really be replaced by a better police force.
Yea sad they turn him into a pack of backwoods 💨 🚬
Big backwoods
RCMP is useless.
They still are.
This story makes me ashamed of Canada.
This was in the 80’s.
@@hollydisanto9148 it's still bad now. Did you see what that RCMP officer did to Rebel News reporter David Menzies last week??
It's the same in the USA/UK/etc!
@hollydisanto9148 what's your point? They are just as nasty and incompetent today.
the whole country , thats a bit excessive
Back in the 1980's I new the RCMP detective Smith and he was always looking after his own Back side and I never new how someone so uncaring could be in his position. He did as little as possible in doing his job.
Absolutely appalling behaviour from the Police Force towards Charles's mother, she was brave and inspirational and put them all to shame! And the fact that she was made to pay for the search in the lake is outrageous
Wow, this story really disgusted me. The way this woman has been treated from day one is shocking. My heart breaks for her. I don't understand why both Canada and the States are so reluctant to take missing people cases seriously.
Police and all law enforcement FAILED to this mother
Failed the entire country. Disgusting!
Why was she treated so shabily? 😢😢
Rest easy Charles 🙏
So wrong. Wish she could have answers. Nothing worse than living the nightmare
This reminds me so much of Owen Rooney's case. He was an Australian man who also disappeared from Kelowna in 2010 after working in the area & going to a music festival. He was assaulted & ended up in hospital where he disappeared from. RMCP also botched his investigation & Owen's family was also treated horrendously by authorities. His remains were found in 2017 in the bush.
Charles' Mum has been through hell & he definitely died at that campground. I don't believe he worked on May 26th
No mother should EVER have to go through what Denise has.
R.I.P Charles, i hope you are found and brought out of the darkness and laid to rest like you deserve. 🕊❤️
I met Charles on Sunshine Coast in June 1992 outside a store. He was sitting on steps with large backpack. I gave him a ride to the ferry so he wouldn't miss it. I know it was him. He had the accent, and said his name was Charles. I saw the Unsolved Mystery episode when it aired and recognized him immediately,and did call them about our meeting. Last I heard about it until now.
I doubt it was him. That would be 3 years after the fact... Highly doubt he would abandon his mother. All evidence points to murder.
@@MsScorpioRising1111I agree. Esp if he left all of his valuables and passport… even if he was running away in fear, I don’t think he would torture his mother all these years. He would have found some way to get a message to his mother. If she hears from him, she could easily stop pursuing the case and people would forget about it and she could go join him.
I really really doubt it.
Lots of people named Charles. I doubt it was him.
I don’t think you seen him , if he was alive , he would of contacted his mom , I’m sure someone killed him and Phil knew who did
Imagine treating someone like that who is looking for their missing son and you just found a body. Do these people not even know how to treat a human with basic decency?
It's absolutely heartbreaking 💔 . Shame on whoever knows something and doesn't tell. Someone should end this mother's suffering by showing up and telling the truth.
Poor lady. I wish Charles had been smarter about his safety. bc is a rough place and rcmp out there seem pretty useless about capturing murderers of prostitutes, indigenous girls and now backpackers, too. It’s a joke at how bad the policing is out there.
When one is travelling with little to no $$$ he winds up at LOW RENT DUMPS like Tiny Town! I lived in Kelowna when this happened and I actually stayed at Tiny Town in my Trailer for a few days! It has a VERY BAD VIBE!
Such a sin. The poor mom, my god, everyone in Canada was heartless. This was her precious son.
Everyone? Even me??
Please blame and shame appropriately. The police likely had far too much bias for the community of ppl he chose to stay with. Probably ppl living on the fringe that law enforcement resent, and the general public characterize as nuisance. It’s the cops who failed this woman. It is a massive blemish on Canadian law enforcement. Most Canadians wouldn’t have known anything about this. I certainly didn’t.
@@CikisHelyzet I mean everyone in Canada that she dealt with
@@AS-qg1xuthanks for that..your not far from the truth.lived in Canada my entire life..now retired and notice it even more.❤❤
Thing about small Canadian towns and cities is everyone knows everyone and there’s a F ton of corruption and generally don’t want to attract attention from other agencies and the public so they tend to push a lot of things under the Rug.
You are a good mom. The police should have listened to you. I can imagine how you must feel.🇨🇦🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Who was the body that they found ?? The RCMP are so incompetent.
Wow! Those officers really bungled up that whole deal! 😡
Unbelievable!!! I am brokenhearted for that poor mother! 😭
Some nurses mess up a lot. I had a baby who was stillborn 13 years ago and I still remember a nurse walking in and saying congratulations. She had looked at the wrong chart. I was too much in shock to get upset
Omg that’s so awful. I’m sorry you experienced that and so sorry for your loss. What an absolute nightmare 😞
"yeah he just walked away." i don't think that's the answer a mom wants to hear. She should of hired a PI.
Denise lost THOUSANDS of $$$ already trying to find Charles! A P.I. would not have helped her! I wish I could have helped her while she was in Kelowna tho! I was living there then...
Seems like the cops were happy to accept any red herrings or even create them to rid themselves of this heartbroken mother. One must wonder how those cops treat their own mothers and if they ever imagine what they would do if their children disappeared and they were treated with such disdain.
Great coverage
This poor mama fought so hard and got stopped at every corner, good job not giving up ❤
What a smart , determined and wonderful Mom. My heart just breaks for her… 💔💔💔
I don't like The Tiny Town Camp manager!
He passed away with Covid in 2020
He passed away from covid in 2020
OMFG HOW DISGUSTING
POOR LADY I FEEL FOR HER .. POOR MOM 😢
I remember this I was living in Kelona at the time this is so sad I can’t believe it’s been 30 years. This poor mama. I am a mother now and I couldn’t imagine what she’s going through sending all her love and prayers to you that one day someone will have the courage to tell the story and give up with your son is.
The son is DEAD, but I hope that Denise gets some CLOSURE to this!
@@mr.blackhawk142I think Dennis and the OP is well aware of Charles having been killed. I think the OP meant that she hopes someone would tell Dennis where Charles’ body is so she can get some answers at least. I don’t think she will ever get ‘closure’. Not when a mother loses their child like this and was treated with so much disdain by the people whose job it was to help her find her child. Those wounds don’t heal 😔. I hope that someone, preferably more than one person, find themselves into Dennis’ life and shows her the love and respect that Charles would have given his mother. I hope that at the very least in these years where she’s feeling the frailty of age, that she is able to find some joy in her life.
I hope this beautiful lady finds some peace in her life
It’s a shame Karoly was so trusting. Just watching this program as a world traveller you gain instincts about areas to avoid. He seemed to be in the thick of a very transient community, likely known to local law enforcement. Unfortunately, the cops often wash their hands of these ppl in rural areas and allow them to run their petty crimes, and dealings. What an immense failure. These small town cops did nothing and should be called to account.
Bring this nice Hungarian boy home to his Édesanya
🇬🇧♥️🇭🇺
This is NOT a rural area! Tiny Town campground was actually right next to Gyro Beach, a very popular swimming beach area in Kelowna, which is the LARGEST city in interior BC!
Ugy ugy igaz
I have to add that I still have my rosary.now 40 years old.He did not leave that behind.Bless his mother and family.
Over the yrs, I have heard nothing but bad things about the RCMP. Wth is up with them all?
Wow, that woman deserved more answers. Clearly the RCMP know that he had a bank acct and had to work, they sound and look like silly idiots!!! I can only hope this episode can maybe stir something up for Mum.
I know what this feels like
My oldest left home to LA to experience the rap scene & he almost died.
It happened twice because he was intent on seeing more & more.
He had to be rescued from LA when the cops beat him for being incoherent & dehydrated
Eventually he was taken to Cedar Sinai hospital where they contacted me
We worked hard to get him back home. We got him back home
He’ll never go back there
I’m disgusted at the treatment in the finality. People are selfish & uncaring
Karoly Horvath is a very Hungarian sounding name. As a fellow Canadian Hungarian this story hits extra hard ❤
Wow that was tough to watch! Poor mum!
What a shame. This poor lady, such an irresponsible response to her pain :( . I don't understand the RCMP's continued denial that something had happened to him. In so many years and as time went by they still shrugged it off. Seems they are in the habit of doing this only to be proven wrong over and over again. I really hope they stop assuming and actual start looking for people who are missing!!!
When You loose a Son … You feel gutted….amputated… There are No words…. We Go on Loving Them Anyway.❤️
I hope Mum sued all these fools.
Note to self.NEVER go to Canada.
So RCMP has been the same since forever. Never disappoints
The poor mother 😢 My blood is boiling. This story keeps getting worse 🤯
That "Joe" doesn't want to be recognizable. But anyone who knows him can see that it's him, right?
I’m paused at the 26 minute mark and I’m asking myself where is Charles father and other family members in Canada? Why is his mother suffering alone? Can Charles father not come and assist the mother of his child? Does he himself not care about what happened to his son L what about other family members in Ontario? What up with the silence from other family members?
Good questions. One can only assume that he was out of the picture. Could have died or maybe have no relationship with Dennis and Charles. Dennis is such an extraordinary woman who did a remarkable job raising a lovely young man who had a loving relationship with her. She deserved to be treated so so much better. I usually refrain from imagining and wishing that the crimes didn’t happen in true crime cases because I know it wouldn’t change anything and I’d just end up too upset. But in this case I really really wished Charles went home to his mother instead of going to that awful place and for them to have spent their lives together. She’s been alone for all these years and seems alone now. It absolutely breaks my heart. As a mother, I can imagine myself doing the same as she did. 😔
I wondered the same thing? Why wasn't his Dad there?
My heart breaks for her so bad 😢😢😢 I am praying really hard that she finds out what happen to her only child ❤ I am a mother of one son as well and I cant imagine the pain & not knowing ,,, she got a life sentence of so much pain 😢😢😢 Phil is a muderer,,,even if he didnt do it hes guilty for not saying anything ,,,if the B.C cops did a proper investigation & grilled Phil i believe they would know what hapoen to this poor man , cold hearted & evil. Im so sorry you have to go through this 😢❤
NEWS FLASH! The RCMP are a FEDERAL POLICE FORCE, NOT "BC COPS"!
The way his mother was treated was appalling. Absolutely shameful inept police. I’m disgusted. RIP
Our Prayers 🙏to you @Denise as for your beloved son❤ Charles! I'm sorry you were treated so Badly💔 in Canada!!! You are so Strong💪 and Admired for what you have Did & Done to FIND your Son!!! Praying for ALL the Answers YOU Need Soon! God 'Bless' You & Hope you get the "TRUTH"! Someone Knows❤
BC RCMP are terrible! There’s some vibe in BC that’s scary. Poor mom!
That 'vibe' is around every 'authority' in Canada!
The way the police handled her son’s disappearance and the way they treated her was disgraceful. And the one officer saying he thinks her son is still alive but purposefully living his life not wanting to be found is such a cop-out. They couldn’t solve the case so started making stuff up. Disgusting. I hope this lady has found some peace in her life. My heart goes out to her.
These police are a bloody joke and at every step they have let both him and his family down. And his mother should sue that police department. I sure as hell don't trust the guy Phil. The mother has been through total hell.
The RCMP guy said there is no evidence of foul play! How about the Tiny Town manager wearing his clothes after disposing of his passport and all the other belongings he didn't use. The RCMP didn't find evidence because they didn't seem to do much investigating when he went missing for the first 3 years. They didn't do anything until his mum travelled there and got leads and the media got involved. They obviously haven't seen the shows about The First 48 or The First 72 - its much harder to find evidence after the first couple of days. If there was evidence its pretty unlikely RCMP would find it.
What the hell is going on here
Its still so weird seeing my hometown in amy video.
Good morning from Kelowna! ✌️
The RCMP sucked here. No compassion for his mother. If a Canadian were in the same circumstance in the UK, I think they would be very accommodating and helpful. I feel so sad for his mother.
Yup, Phil was definitely guilty !
Not Phil, but he wasn't snitching the bikers that did that to the young man.
Phil passed away from covid in 2021
@@p.j.lajoie Glad to hear that!
@@shortandcutthen he was guilty of covering it up, which makes him accessory to murder.
This is so sad . What a miscarriage of justice
This is so sad, and so badly managed. There is nothing worse than a missing loved one.
I think the camp owner/manager Phil knew exactly what happened and when but took it with him to his death. Who was he afraid of if he didn't murder the poor guy? What was he trying to keep hidden by taking some of the pictures if that's a true story that he did?
@@river8760 didn’t the video say the camp manager passed away in 2021?
@@valkyrja- I didn’t see that detail, clearly I missed it.
@@valkyrja- YES! He died young!
What an appalling way to treat his mother. It’s truly shameful.
wow..the poor mother..what she had to go through..tough tough brave woman 🙏💔
Charles mother was and is a remarkable woman. She has gone on to advocate for the missing loved ones from peoples worlds. She and others who have missing loved ones have also gone on to form the Missing People's Choir who perform to keep their loved ones in peoples minds and to hopefully find them. The choir came to the general publics notice when they performed on BGT UK, and won the hearts of millions around the world who also had missing loved ones. The BGT platform made a huge difference to their cause. I hope that sometime they have the answers.
Heart broke for this mom.
Park manager is guilty and the authorities are useless over there. Its not the first time they cant be stuffed and their incompetence shines through. Poor, unfortunate mother having to deal with their crap!
I saw her at Compassionate Friends Mothers Day memorial. It was her last time she said that she could come to Kelowna. There are many rumours coming from the streets. Such a sad situation.
Cautious does not mean callous & derisive, & disrespectful of the grief of a mother. Shame on them all.
Such a terrible story. My sympathies to the mother. May God reveal the whereabouts of this young man and the circumstances of his disapperance.
I'm so sorry for this mothers loss❤.....and I hope she will get her answers.
Its always a money issue when someone is reported missing , they dont take them seriously first because they cant possibly mobilize a search and rescue operation everytime someone is reported missing.
and yet Ive seen some cases that police acted so quickly because they know someone in the police or very rich and/or connected.
the way the authorities manhandled the grieving mother is so disgusting!!
Omg! A mother looking for her son and ends up in a mental hospital.Seems she had no support and they lacked compassion for a grieving mother.Shameful Canada
This was a complete cluster F**k. My heart goes out to this Mother. Plus, doing that trek from Vancouver to our neck of the woods in a snow storm can be quite frightening. My heart goes out to this poor Mum. Next time I'm Kelowna, I'll put flowers in the lake for you.❤
Obviously no hope of justice in Canada at the time.What is worse their lack of respect for victims ‘families.What a wonderful mother.
I cant believe how badly this was handled. Where was the empathy by the police!? That campground manager throwing his stuff away! He is shady AF! The whole investigation was disgraceful!
Whoever wrote that letter knows that it's convenient to end the search just by recalling that there was a body that once tossed in the bridge and used it as an escape goat...
Best of luck to Mum.
I hope peace finds you soon.
I am 22 mins in...the shameful way the paramedics treated Denise is HORRENDOUS beyond belief. The Canadian police have a lot to answer for in the way they treated this lovely lady who was/is just trying to find her son.
This is my hometown
shameful how callous they were towards this young man and his mother.
@@AS-qg1xu I never knew the details until today. Heartbreaking.
This is such a heartbreaking case. If Charles is alive, he would not let his mother suffer like this for years, no way. He was definitely murdered most likely by the bikers and well disposed of. Shocking that she recieved no help whatsoever in the beginning and then only a poor effort there after. Bless her, she has been through hell. Totally unfair in every way. 😢