I think this is why Limited Atonement is important. God chose and continues to choose His people; the precious blood of His Son isn't wasted on anyone's disbelief and continued rebellion. Also, God is perfectly just, and He will not have the same sin paid for twice, by His righteous Son and also by fallen Man.
I live in England. I live 10 miles from John Wesley’s birthplace. I’m sure his influence has a bearing on the lack of “reformed” Christians in the area!The hostility to limited atonement and unconditional election is most evident- not truly understanding the total depravity of man.
@@wojak91 I am one that's very confused over how it remains possible for anyone to go to hell in the wake of God dying for our sins. If no man has to believe in Adam, and yet finds himself born in sin because of Adam's sin. Why is it necessary for us to be knowledgeable of Jesus or accept Jesus if it is by Jesus's death that all are reconciled unto God (Romans 5:10)? As to Romans 5:10, if "limited atonement" is a truth, then how far back are the words of our God (Romans 5:10) retroactive? Does this reconciliation cease at King David, Moses, Isaac, or Abraham? If God's reconciliation does not go back to Adam, that we find even Adam reconciled to God (Romans 5:10), then where does it cease?
@@notofthischurch2822 we are born first in the flesh through Adam, but we are born in the Spirit through hearing the Gospel (Romans 10:14) and responding with repentance and faith. Our first nature is genetic, the second is preceded by the supernatural act of spiritual regeneration.
@@notofthischurch2822 with Romans 5:10 Paul is showing us the great love of God towards his people. And causes us to have hope in his faithful, continued work in our lives. Paul writes in 5:8-10 But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Much more then, having been justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only that, but we rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ through whom we have now received the reconciliation (NKJV)
And his people are the saved God wants everyone to be saved that’s why he sent Jesus to die for ALL sins that whoever (anyone) shall call upon his name shall be saved. We’re all born sinners so we have to ask him for forgiveness and believe in him in order to he saved that’s how you become one of Gods children , through salvation. ANYONE CAN BE SAVED THEY JUST CHOSE NOT TOO BECAUSE THEY DONT UNDERSTAND OR BECAUSE THERE IGNORANT
@@aubreyaros2638 So according to your words God's grace ends up saving the world's wisest, most humble, most knowledgeable. Anyway this contradicts Paul's statement on God's reason for His choosing in Romans 9: "Before the twins had done anything good or bad..." God chose Jacob and rejected Esau.
Go to 12:02 for the boiled down answer. Here are Joel's words : "So people in Hell are ultimately suffering under God's just wrath for their sin, and not just their sin of rejecting Jesus, but their other sins they've committed as well. Meaning what? Those other sins that they've committed were not atoned for by Jesus. They can't have been. Why? Because ...(catch this, almost done)... the reason why Jesus cannot have died for the sins of each and every individual knowing that many individuals will die and go to Hell, the reason why Jesus cannot have paid for their sins is simply this : Because God is just. God is just. And as a just judge God cannot and will not exact double penalty for a singular crime. He will not punish the same crime twice. It's not just. It's not fair."
Thank You Jesus for Paying for All my Sins Thank You Jesus for Shedding Every Last Drop of Your Perfect Redeeming Innocent Blood For The Forgiveness Full Remission of All my Sins Thank You Jesus for Dying in my place on The Cross ✝️ ❤To Pay for All my Sins as The Perfect Sacrifice because You have No Sin Thank You for Being Buried Thank You Jesus for COMING BACK ALIVE 3 Days After Your Death because You Are The Son of God and God At The Same Time!!!! I LOVE You Heavenly Father ABBA I LOVE You Jesus I LOVE You Holy Spirit Not 3 Different Gods But The 1 The Only True Living GOD Most High Revealed to us in 3 Ways ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ she who is Forgiven Much LOVES Much!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watched this guy debate Leighton Flowers, (an ex-calvinist) and this calvinist fellow talking now didn't do so well with his limited atonement argument. Calvinism makes perfect sense and then it doesn't. I do think these calvinists are good at pointing out many false teachers in the WOF and NAR movements, but they don't do well debating their calvinism.
I like Leighton Flowers a lot. I also like a lot of what Right Response Ministries has to say... except for what they say in regards to Calvanism which I can never get behind.
"Calvinism makes perfect sense then it doesn't" is EXACTLY what I just went through watching this video. This is my first time hearing what Calvinism is. It all made sense what he was saying until 3/4 of the way there I just got lost. As I'm typing this i still don't understand what he just said in the end there. The gospel salvation doctrine isnt this complicated guys 😂. We are all sinners and the wages of sin is death eternal. There is no place in heaven for sin because it's perfect and God is totally Holy. We cannot pay for our way into heaven because our works/wages/we ourselves fall short of God's Glory. You sin against an eternal God, you have to pay an eternal price. So God, out of His immense, unconditional, and infinite love for us gave Jesus to die for us for our sins in our place so that we don't have to pay for our own sins. It is by His grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone that we are saved from this eternal death. We have to receive this gift in order to be saved. God justifies us, sactifies us and eventually glorifies us. We are totally and completely forgiven of ALL sins past, present and future. That's how we receive this free gift of salvation. We don't all automatically go to heaven because Jesus died for us. Some people don't want to spend the gift of eternity with Christ so He won't force them to.
The answer to the question is very simple... Faith! Jesus said in Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Ephesians says we are saved by "grace through faith." God has already abounded towards all men with His grace "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men," Titus 2:11. 2 Corinthians 5:19 states plainly that God has reconciled the entire world to Himself through Christ " that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation." This is why we are to go into all the nations preaching the gospel because Christ has already atoned for the sins of the World. However what God has done in Christ is not automatic it must be appropriated through faith which is our response to what God has already done. All of God's promises are appropriated through faith "That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises" Hebrew 6:12. Abraham is a perfect example of this God gave his promise to Abraham "So shall thy seed be" then it says "Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness." Galations 3 says it is with us as it was with Abraham "He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." God has given us his Word (The Gospel) like he did to Abraham and our only responsibility is to believe God like Abraham did and receive the promise. When asked what one must do to do the works of God Jesus responded with “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” This is the sole responsibility of all men to Believe the testimony God has given of His Son and act accordingly. This is why men are damned because "they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
It's ironic that your screen name is "Jesus Saves" because the argument you just made is that Jesus TRIES to save. God has done all He can to try to save you, but ultimately it's your decision. You need to be clever enough, humble enough, wise enough to pick up on the amount of light that God is trying to shine on your life, despite being dead in sin, enslaved to sin, and hostile to God. This is to say nothing of the fact that if Christ took God's wrath for people in Hell, this means that God pours out his wrath both on His son and on the damned. He does it twice! This is a self-contradictory notion and not to be found in Scripture. Just slow down long enough to understand the theological ramifications of the conclusion you're drawing from the verses you're quoting. Pastor Joel did a very good job walking through the text of Scripture and letting it speak. You ignored all of that and just quoted some verses as if this just cancels out everything that Joel pointed out. Deal with the arguments he made by pointing out his erroneous handling of the text.
As stated above scripture is clear Christ died for the sins of all and whoever believes will be saved and whoever believes not shall be damned. This is the simple Biblical Gospel. Men have complicated it through philosophy and human tradition this is why Paul says in Colossians 2:8 “ See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.”
This isn't a complicated question to answer unless you try needlessly making it more complicated by injecting crap like Calvanistic doctrine into it. Grace is a free gift offered to all, paid for by Christ's death. All have been paid for, but to receive it they must first accept it first. I've seen this argument made a lot. Something to the effect of: "I have bought enough tickets to next week's football game! It's already paid for, you just have to accept my free gift!" Not everyone will accept it. If you don't accept it, you don't get the benefits of free gift I have paid for.
Clearly, you just ignored everything said in this video. How about you demonstrate where Joel mishandled the text? The vitriol that would lead you to call the teachings of Owen, Whitfield, Edwards and Spurgeon "crap" just proves the point that synergists are ultimately driven by emotion, not sound theology. Some very good arguments were made in this sermon and they're not new. They may have been forgotten in recent years. but this is what the reformation was all about. The great hymns of the faith are filled with the doctrines of grace. Have a little humility and respect. You can disagree if you like, but goodness gracious. Even if I disagree with my Arminian brothers and sisters, I still love them and try to compassionately deal with the areas where they seem to be misled. The anger that drives some folks is actually kind of creepy, especially considering how Satan feels about the power of the cross.
@@leonardu6094 How sad that that's your take away from what I said. If a Calvinist had used the word "Arminian crap", in response to a well-articulated argument in favor of synergism, I would've responded similarly. The point is to show some respect toward folks who are making a sincere earnest effort to convince others of the veracity of their position. There are men on both sides of this issue that I have respect for, as they are much more learned and accomplished than I am. To just dismiss their arguments as "crap" is irresponsible and unnecessarily mean. That offends me, and frankly, it should offend you, as well. Call it emotional if you want. From my point of view, it's emotionalism that drives folks to throw charity out the window when dealing with these things and/or champion others who do it.
Some don't want to be saved so they see no reason or value for it. Some see their salvation in science or human ability to save themselves. Some want to be saved but they want it on their terms. Some are deceived & think they're saved when they're really not. Some are on the path to salvation but won't make it because they're not the good soil that seed requires
@@Post-Trib Be careful about your boasting. Your statement comes across as arrogant, brother. Paul warned against boasting. The LAST thing Jesus wants is for people who believe they are saved to be haughty about it.
@@graspunwrapped1124 Oh, gotcha. There's nothing wrong with the sinner's prayer. After all, if someone is sorry for offending God with their sin and comes to realize they need to repent and trust in Christ as their only hope, it's natural that they'd want to apologize for their offense and thank Him for what He has done for them. The problem comes when we ascribe some sort of saving power or virtue to this prayer. For many, it becomes their linchpin. It's the moment to which they attach their assurance of salvation. This is something that has only developed in the last couple hundred years. The gospel has shifted from a command to repent to an invitation to accept. Truthfully, the biblical model is simply preaching to the unbeliever the reality of sin, the lordship of Christ and the call to repent. Then the Holy Spirit uses the power of the Gospel to regenerate hearts in God's perfect appointed time. Whether a specific prayer is ever said or not is irrelevant. It's all a matter of the HEART. Did the Holy Spirit change their heart? Well, if He did, it will evidence itself in a changed life.
@@heartofalegend I'm confused on what he meant. I'm not in a good place right now. I have repented and fallen back into the same sins multiple times and I fear that Jesus won't forgive me anymore. The bible says that Heaven is narrow and only few find it where hell is wide and many will go there. I'm afraid that I'm one of the many that won't make it into heaven. I want a relationship with Jesus. i've repented from the main sin I was struggling with finally and have tried reading the bible. I have asked Jesus to forgive me but I don't feel like that I am born again. Which is another requirement to get into heaven. Instead I feel fear, and depression all the time.
@@jigsawmerriam How can I help? Please let me know. I would be privileged to help bring clarity and a settled peace to your heart, my friend. The reason folks like me feel this issue is worth arguing about is because we feel the testimony of Scripture is quite clear that when God brings a dead soul to life, he gives them a new heart. He turns them from a God-hater to a God lover. He gives them a desire for His word and His people. He also allows them to continue to fall, which causes them to be reminded that they are utterly dependent on the righteousness of Christ, credited to them, by faith and achieved for them on the cross. The Spirit continues to do His work to change our desires and give us a deeper love for the Lord than for our sin. That process lasts our whole lives. That's why it's not the PERFECTION of our lives but the DIRECTION. Meanwhile, we have the peace of knowing that all of God's wrath toward us for our sin has been completely taken away by Christ. He took it all. Now, we have peace and harmony with God. We are SAFE in Him. Remember an unsaved person has no regard for any of this stuff. They are either convinced they can earn their way to God through obedience or they just flat out don't care about their sin. You on the other hand seem genuinely grieved by it and genuinely concerned about having a relationship with God. That in and of itself is a good sign that the Lord has made your spirit alive. Please reach out to me if there's anything I can do to help you further. Nothing is more important, my friend. Blessings!
@@heartofalegend but what about this verse in Jermah 16:3-5 3 For thus says the Lord concerning the sons and daughters who are born in this place, and concerning the mothers who bore them and the fathers who fathered them in this land: 4 They shall die of deadly diseases. They shall not be lamented, nor shall they be buried. They shall be as dung on the surface of the ground. Does that mean I lost my chance to be forgiven because I willfully sinned so many times?
@@jigsawmerriam Not at all, my friend. Two completely unrelated issues, here. Jeremiah was called the weeping prophet because God called him to speak His truth to a culture who wanted no part of it. As is the case many times throughout the Old Testament, God demonstrates His judgment against a culture that has repeatedly rejected His call to repentance and continued to sacrifice to their false gods. By contrast, when God brings a dead sinner to life, He puts them on the path of sanctification, gradually conforming their will more and more to His. And here's the kicker. The more mature we become and the more we expose our lives to the word of God and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, the more aware we become of our sin. We see how utterly dark and fallen our humanness is. We see how unthankful we are to God for His affection, for His provision, for His protection, and of course for His word. We see how amazing His grace really is! What I'm saying is that being acutely aware of your sin and your daily need to be free of it is something that is never going to go away. Rather, your awareness will actually grow in acuity, the more you mature in Christ. There's a great song from the 90's that I recommend you listen to called "In the Light" by DC Talk. It starts with these words, "I keep trying to find a life on my own, apart from You. I am the king of excuses. I've got one for every selfish thing I do." And then the chorus: "What's going on inside me? I despise my own behavior. This only serves to confirm my suspicion that I'm still a man in need of a savior." There it is, my friend. We come to Christ broken over sin, and hungering for righteousness. And guess what? That's how we remain throughout our Christian walk. Broken over sin and hungering for righteousness. That's what Jesus is telling us in Matthew 5. True citizens of God's kingdom come to God grieving over sin, and desiring His righteousness and they demonstrate they're saved by continuing in that state throughout their lives. Let me know your thoughts on that and we'll keep going.
*QUESTION:* Were any of the bad actors in the Bible (Pharaoh,Jezabel, Herod the "Great," Judas Iscariot, etc.) ever warned about hell? If not, why not?
@dafnic1561 It may surprise you to learn that you and I are not very far apart. I believe A) that man does not have an immortal soul and B) that the lost will, at some point, cease to exist. In short, I am a conditionalist, as distinguished from traditionalists and universalists.
Question regarding Limited atonement: Let's call the total number of the elect x. If the number of the elect was x+1, would Jesus have had to suffer more on the cross than he did?
No. Because he is fully God, he is infinite. Therefore, his sacrifice could be infinitely applied. He would have to die to save 1 or 1 trillion. But his death can be infinitely applied. The merits of his sacrifice are limited only by design, not necessity. “Particular atonement.” Jesus went to the cross for a definite list of names. The Good Shepherd laying down his life for the sheep. That said, if God decided to save one more person as of now, that person could not be retroactively placed under Christ’s previous death. In other words, Jesus would have to die again to save even just 1 more person now. That is of course a hypothetical example simply to explain the nature of particular atonement. This of course would never occur because it would constitute a change in the mind of God. God foreknew all the elect. Jesus died for all of them once. It is finished.
So many "Christian" churches think all sins are equal, and by default believe that God is an equal opportunity punisher. There are different levels of sin which means different levels of hell. This same concept applies to Heaven as well. More rewards and less rewards in Heaven.
Amen! Galatians 6:7 makes that clear. It doesn't make sense that Hitler and Stalin and RBG and every abortionist be punished as little as your average unbeliever who never physically murdered anyone. Also it makes perfect sense that RBG and abortionists get to experience abortion from the receiving end. God's Justice is Perfect.
I'm not sure that follows. That is, I agree that different sins are unequal and have different punishments (easy to see when we look at God's criminal code and 1 John 5: 17's sin that does not lead to death), yet we also have James 2: 10 - "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it." Where there are verses that indicate different rewards in heaven, I'm unclear of anything that would support multiple levels of hell. All sin is a violation of the greatest commandment and I'm not sure if the exact expression of our hatred for God matters all that much for the punishment we deserve.
Hmm, I had paused in the middle to browse the comments. Joel brings up a good point with Jesus saying particular people will be worse off on the day of judgement.
@@MrTheclevercat Not for you, because Jesus does not call the self-righteous. Your atheism is a temporary condition, however: one day you will be a "believer" of some sort.
Great video as always, and thank you. The most important place in the All Authority of Scriptures that “propitiation” is used is actually in the Gospel message itself in Romans 3:21-28, and the heart of the gospel (vv. 24-26), contains the word below: “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” (Romans 3:24-26, KJV) God bless 🙏
Joel, I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether you believe there is sin in hell. My initial inclination is 'no' and after some study, I'm more confident in that inclination. The main reason is sin is rebellion and if it is exists in hell, then all things aren't reconciled yet. Also, finite sin from an unrepentant heart against an infinitely holy God, deserves infinite, not finite, punishment, therefore eternal punishment is justified.
I would argue that all sin is a violation of the greatest commandment, and I have serious doubts that people in hell will be loving God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength. What will be right is that their sin immediately receives the punishment God requires instead of the delay God currently shows for the sake of his people. Their sin will be immediately reconciled with God's justice.
@@oracleoftroy ahh, thanks for this. While every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, I can see how they would continue to violate this commandment in hell.
“All who the father gave me I will loose none!” Why would Jesus Christ suffer for the sins off those who he never intended to save? To say that he died for everyone is to say that he potentially died for everyone and specifically for no one.
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. Jesus will return after Jerusalem gets nuked by the abomination which causes desolation mentioned in Matthew 24. Jesus must reign until he has defeated all of his enemies. All Power, Dominion, and Authority then the last enemy that will be defeated is death itself. The He will return the kingdom back to God. The Earth is Hell in the future (2 Peter 3). It gets hit by an asteroid (Revelation 9) and pushed toward the sun (Isaiah 13-13). The New Jerusalem will take the best of humanity and the glory of the nations to a new Earth where righteousness dwells. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. The cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
John 14:6 - King James Version 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 1 Timothy 2:4-6 - King James Version 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Romans 1:16 - King James Version 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (The Letter of Paul to the Romans) Romans 5:18 - King James Version 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (offence of one - Adam's one trespass, one sin, led to the condemnation of all men - the righteousness act of one was Jesus' death on the cross to pay for human sin) Salvation is not getting your sins forgiven, it's believing they already are! We are all sinners and fall short in God his glory - how to be saved - this is the gospel of salvation - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4 by trusting and believing the gospel of salvation you are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise till the day of redemption and nothing can pluck you out of the Father his hand - (In whom we have redemption through his blood , even the forgiveness of sins: (Colossians 1:14 - King James Version) - eternal security is a free gift - it's a promise and God Almighty cannot lie!!! Have a blessed day! This is the gospel of salvation - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4 Witnesses of Christ's resurrection. 1) Moreover,brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2) ''By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Ephesians 2:8-9 - King James Version 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. IT IS FINISHED... Paid in Full !!! But, You Must BELIEVE IT - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV. 2 Timothy 2:15 - King James Version 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Romans 2:16 - King James Version 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (Paul's Gospel - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4). Galatians 1:8-9 - King James Version 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. KJV - Bible verses about Jesus is God John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 10:30 - I and my Father are one. Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. G - GRACE R - RIGHTLY A - APPLIED C - CHANGES E - EVERYTHING Religion is always dealing with you and what you're doing and what you're not doing, anytime you're sitting around thinking what should I be doing you're under religion, the grace of God is dealing what Christ did. Under religion man always says look what I'm doing for you God and under grace Christ says look what I did for you man. Under religion man says look how I went to church under the grace of God Jesus said look how I went to Calvary. Under religion man says look at how I was raised in my denomination and under grace Christ says look how I was raised from the dead. Under religion man says look at how I gave my money and under grace Jesus says look at how I gave my life. Under religion man says look God at how I confessed my sins and under grace Jesus says look man how I took away your sins. Under religion man says look God at how I stood up against sin and under the grace of God Jesus says look man at how I died for your sins. Under religion man says look God at how I judged the lost world and under grace Jesus says look man at how I saved the lost world. Under religion man says look God at how I got up and marched against these evildoers and under grace Jesus says look man how I suffered and died for evildoers. Under religion man says look God at how I bow down to you and under grace Jesus says look man and how I became one of you. Under religion man says look God at how I healed the sick and under grace Jesus says look man how I raised the dead. Under religion man says look God at how I spoke in tongues and under grace Jesus says look man at how I spoke in life. Under religion man says look God at how successful my life was and under grace Jesus says looked me at how successful my death was. Religions my friends is always man trying to reach up to God with self effort to be accepted by God. Through classic Christianity was God reaching down to man through Jesus with love and acceptance and that's why Paul said we preach Christ and Christ crucified a stumbling block to the Jews foolishness to the Gentiles but to those whom God has called both Jews and Gentile Christ the power of God and wisdom. Source ''Truth Time Radio''. Like many "Christians" today, Satan believes Jesus died on the cross, but not for HIS sins. He believes Jesus has risen, but not for HIS eternal life. Satan believes the event of the cross but never put his trust in Christ's finished work for salvation. Salvation is not: Believing there is a God. (Satan believes that) Salvation is not: Believing Christ was the Messiah. (Satan believes that) Salvation is not even... Believing Christ died, was buried and rose the third day. (Satan believes that also) Salvation is: Believing Christ died for YOUR EVERY SIN and trusting that He rose to give you eternal life IN HIM! Something Satan and most Christians want no part of because of their PRIDE! If denominationalists truly believed Christ forgave their sins, they wouldn't spend so much time trying to GET them forgiven. One tells you to pray for forgiveness. One tells you to confess for forgiveness. One tells you to believe for forgiveness. One tells you to repent for forgiveness. One tells you to be baptized for forgiveness. And keep in mind, all of these folk with a straight face will tell you Christ DIED for your sins. Welcome to Nutsville!!! I think Dorothy got lost on the yellow brick road. Today I unapologetically proclaim that there is only one way to be saved, and it has nothing to do with getting your sins forgiven. Salvations through FAITH. (Ephesians 2:8-9) Without faith it is impossible to please God. Salvation comes to those who are ready to give up on THEIR performance and rest their faith in JESUS' performance. The path to salvation is narrow. SO narrow that nothing you do will fit. Satan will never be saved for the same reason he was kicked out of heaven. P-R-I-D-E. (Isaiah 14:12-14) Read carefully and count how many times he says "I". How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Satan is obviously a Narcissist! Like a vain person in front of the mirror, five times in only three verses he boasts of himself. Pride keeps Satan from being saved as it does most of the world. They have fallen victim to SELFIANITY and are incapable of letting go and letting God. Incapable of taking their filthy hands off their salvation and allowing God to save them by HIS finished work! If you say --- "I said a prayer for forgiveness." "I confessed for forgiveness." "I believed for forgiveness." "I repented for forgiveness." "I was baptized for forgiveness." Then sadly you have fallen for the five I's just like Satan. Salvation is not getting your sins forgiven, it's believing they already ARE! To be saved, you must first get "I" out of the way. You only get two educations, the one you're given and the one you give yourself! Source ''Truth Time Radio'' for solid teaching/rightly dividing the word of truth - also here on youtube - learn the truth and unlearn the lies!
What about when before I was a christian. It seemed to me that the wrath of God was upon me. But if Christ paid for all my sin already wouldn’t that mean that the christian would never have been underneath the wrath of God before he believed. If that is the case, why did it seem like I did not have a relationship with God before 2 years ago when I was born again at 17
Think about it like this - if I offer you a gift of $100, but you haven't yet accepted my offer, it's sitting there on the table for you to take whenever you decide, you obviously don't *have* the gift yet. I gave it to you, but you haven't accepted. And we have to accept Christ's gift of salvation before we can enjoy that gift and what comes along with it. That's why the Bible talks about us "receiving" so much, that's used in the active sense, we have to actively reach out and receive it.
@@zzevonplant By the Calvinist definition, “receiving” is man’s work. God choose some. He condemns others. No action on the individuals part is needed.
@@jennyjohnson1930 I don't care about Calvinist definitions, presuppositions, or doctrines, I care what the Bible says. 🤷♀ But yeah, the Bible also says that faith is not a work, it explicitly says that. So, the Calvinists are just flat-out wrong on that particular point. They're not wrong about everything, but they're definitely wrong about that.
@@jennyjohnson1930 Not that receiving per se is a work, but that the gift of salvation by grace through faith is all God's work given as a gift to us so that man may not boast, but when non-Calvinists try to separate out faith as something that originates in man that is exchanged for salvation by grace, you make receiving salvation a transition of the same sort that Paul calls a work, and just repeating "but, but, it's not a work" doesn't make it not a work. If it walks and talks like a duck...
@@oracleoftroy God can’t give you faith. Faith is your trust, reliance on Jesus, your response to What he has done for you and your faithfulness to Him.
The benefits of propitiation are only APPLIED once a sinner accepts the gift of God’s sacrifice of Christ on the cross. God is just. There is no double payment. If you take away an individual’s God-given ABILITY to choose God you have a God who is neither just nor loving but one who arbitrarily chooses his favorites. The doctrine of Limited Atonement lends itself to creating the pharisaical tribe for our modern times.
_"If you take away an individual’s God-given ABILITY to choose God you have a God who is neither just nor loving but one who arbitrarily chooses his favorites."_ I don't think it is either just or loving to let the guilty criminal sentence himself. Grace and mercy are under the discretion of the judge. It's the world that thinks it is loving to release criminals and burden the law abiding.
It's true we EXPERIENCE our choice in time to put our faith in Jesus as originating from within, but Jesus and the scriptures speak of our INABILITY to turn from our sin, making us dependent on an outside source; namely, the Spirit of God who regenerates our hard heart of stone to give us a heart of flesh. Jesus explains the spiritual dynamics of belief and unbelief in John 6. We are only able to choose God because we are GIVEN from the Father to the Son FIRST. Jesus says we are slaves to sin. Slaves cannot free themselves, they are unable and need a rescuer; no coincidence Moses the liberator was a type of Christ. Paul in 1 Corinthians 1 and 2 talks about our inability to love or even understand the things of God; they are foolishness to the Natural Man. The Bible has so much high revelation and clarity about the implications of our fallen nature and rebellion that I am convinced none would ever have chosen God if left to ourselves.
Here is what I don't get: sinners of all kinds (murderers, thieves, adulterers) will go to hell whether Jesus died on the cross or not. So it would seem that Jesus' sacrifice alone is not enough to apeace the wrath of God. An action from man is still required in order to get saved. Whether that be repenting, accepting Jesus, stop sinning.. something is needed in addition to what Jesus did to achieve salvation
*appease. do you believe in salvation by works? or do you not understand that God provides this faith and repentance? _we do nothing._ read the bible again
Salvation is a gift. The gift is there and we choose to accept the gift and live a life of gratitude for it or we reject it. We don’t pay for gifts with works or it’s no longer a gift. What many miss is Christ doesn’t send us to hell - we send ourselves by choosing.
@@RealDefinitionsMatter but 'choosing' is an action of the free will, so in the end the sacrifice of Christ alone seems insufficient unless WE take action by 'choosing' Him
@@GioTummy3463 On the Molinist view, we don't choose Him, He chooses us. We merely stop rejecting Him. I think that is similar to the Calvinist view. Either way, it doesn't seem to be a work, just a change of will. Most of humanity simply will not stop rejecting Him because they love their sins too much.
They are not united to him by faith, sir. They are united to Him by God’s “sovereign” act of regeneration regardless of the will of the individual. Please be more clear in representing your position. Clarity is kindness.
That's not exactly the Reformed position either. You say: _"They are not united to him by faith, sir."_ But the Reformed confess (Westminster Confession of Faith 26.1: All saints that are *united to Jesus Christ their head,* by His Spirit and *by faith,* have fellowship with Him in His graces, sufferings, death, resurrection, and glory: and, being united to one another in love, they have communion in each other’s gifts and graces, and are obliged to the performance of such duties, public and private, as to conduce to their mutual good, both in the inward and outward man. _"They are united to Him by God’s “sovereign” act of regeneration regardless of the will of the individual."_ This is also true enough, e.g. chapter 13.1: They who are effectually called and *regenerated,* having a new heart and a new spirit created in them, are further sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ’s death and resurrection, by *His Word and Spirit dwelling in them;* the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed, and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified, and they more and more quickened and strengthened, in all saving graces, to the practice of true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. The Reformed position has always been salvation by grace through faith, we don't see them as opposed to each other. And the "Irresistable" grace we talk about is specifically the grace of regeneration, so again being regenerated and given the gift of faith is not in conflict. It isn't as simple as saying it is against our will. In regeneration, our will is make new and enlightened from its bondage to sin. As 10.1 says: All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, He is pleased, in His appointed and accepted time, effectually to call, by His Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ: enlightening their minds, spiritually and savingly, to understand the things of God, taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh; *renewing their wills,* and by His almighty power determining them to that which is good; and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, *being made willing by His grace.* As sinners, we will to sin and defy God. As a new creation, we will to obey our savior. For further clarity, I highly recommend reading the historic Reformed confessions. They do a great job of laying out what has united Reformed Christians for centuries.
@@oracleoftroy Just because a text uses many, many words does not mean it brings clarity. I understand that the Calvinist view has regeneration preceding faith. You do not see them as “opposed” because the Calvinistic systematic redefines the initial act of “faith” as the result of God regenerating the heart. The individual’s choice is unnecessary in the transaction. Again, just plainly tell the unsaved, unless God chooses them and regenerates their will to obey God, there is no hope of salvation. The verdict has already been determined.
All you have to do is prove that heaven, hell, your god, etc exist and we can talk lol. You guys basically live a Harry Potter fanfiction lifestyle lol.
It will always seem that way to you until you choose to earnestly seek. I used to be an arrogant atheist like you, but then I started seeking in earnest, and I found Him.
Ah, yes. "I'll believe when God comes down and appears to me." He did, 2000 years ago and we killed Him. Question: How would you feel if God did appear to you and said, "The Bible is true. I created you to glorify Me by worshiping My Son and obeying My commandments." What would you say?
@@LateNightRewrites I am so arrogant that I require evidence to believe things. I feel good about that. You are mentally inferior if you became religious and think you are less arrogant now.
@@heartofalegend He never appeared to me and has never appeared to anyone else. Of course I would believe if god made it obvious that he existed. We both know that will never happen and the problem isn't that I require too much evidence. The problem is that there is 0 evidence for your god claims and mountains of evidence *AGAINST* your claims. Like I said, you only need to prove any of your claims.
it's important to remember there is no such place as hell. only an evil God would create such a place and only an evil human would think people are headed there for the crime of disbelief. it's laughable really and grown adults really should know better.
@@douglasmcnay644 The Old Testament doesn't know anything about Hell, it's a later development after the Jews were exposed to Zoroastrianism during the exile. 70 years in Babylon gave Judaism some new ideas inspired from the Persian religion. The concept of heaven and hell, angels and demons, resurrection of the dead and a final judgment. When those Jews returned to Palestine they were known as the Pharisees (the separated ones). And from that moment forward Hell was apart of Jewish theology. So yeah, Jesus taught about Hell, but he didn't come up with it.
When God finally stops patiently putting up with man's rejection of Him, and stops graciously allowing those who curse His name and defile His creation to enjoy sunshine, laughter, family, music, and love, they will discover what a Godless existence actually is. It's an existence bereft of hope. No light, no laughter, no music, no order, no love, no peace. Just an eternal, dark, meaningless void. A perpetual state of dying without ever actually becoming dead. Everything they love about life is because of God. When He finally steps away the way they are dying for Him to do, what they will be left with is what we call Hell. And as bad as it is, they will STILL prefer it to bowing the knee to Him.
I think this is why Limited Atonement is important. God chose and continues to choose His people; the precious blood of His Son isn't wasted on anyone's disbelief and continued rebellion. Also, God is perfectly just, and He will not have the same sin paid for twice, by His righteous Son and also by fallen Man.
Logic! Too bad so many seem unable to comprehend this.
I live in England. I live 10 miles from John Wesley’s birthplace. I’m sure his influence has a bearing on the lack of “reformed” Christians in the area!The hostility to limited atonement and unconditional election is most evident- not truly understanding the total depravity of man.
@@wojak91 I am one that's very confused over how it remains possible for anyone to go to hell in the wake of God dying for our sins. If no man has to believe in Adam, and yet finds himself born in sin because of Adam's sin. Why is it necessary for us to be knowledgeable of Jesus or accept Jesus if it is by Jesus's death that all are reconciled unto God (Romans 5:10)? As to Romans 5:10, if "limited atonement" is a truth, then how far back are the words of our God (Romans 5:10) retroactive? Does this reconciliation cease at King David, Moses, Isaac, or Abraham? If God's reconciliation does not go back to Adam, that we find even Adam reconciled to God (Romans 5:10), then where does it cease?
@@notofthischurch2822 we are born first in the flesh through Adam, but we are born in the Spirit through hearing the Gospel (Romans 10:14) and responding with repentance and faith. Our first nature is genetic, the second is preceded by the supernatural act of spiritual regeneration.
@@notofthischurch2822 with Romans 5:10 Paul is showing us the great love of God towards his people. And causes us to have hope in his faithful, continued work in our lives.
Paul writes in 5:8-10
But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Much more then, having been justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only that, but we rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ through whom we have now received the reconciliation (NKJV)
"you shall call his name Jesus, because he *will* save *His* people from *their* sins." -Angel of the Lord (Matthew 1:21)
That verse is not used enough!
And his people are the saved God wants everyone to be saved that’s why he sent Jesus to die for ALL sins that whoever (anyone) shall call upon his name shall be saved. We’re all born sinners so we have to ask him for forgiveness and believe in him in order to he saved that’s how you become one of Gods children , through salvation. ANYONE CAN BE SAVED THEY JUST CHOSE NOT TOO BECAUSE THEY DONT UNDERSTAND OR BECAUSE THERE IGNORANT
@@aubreyaros2638 So according to your words God's grace ends up saving the world's wisest, most humble, most knowledgeable. Anyway this contradicts Paul's statement on God's reason for His choosing in Romans 9: "Before the twins had done anything good or bad..." God chose Jacob and rejected Esau.
@@Zaloomination Romans 9 is not talking about election to salvation, it's referring to election to service.
Yes his people..
The elect whom were chosen before the foundation of the world..
Go to 12:02 for the boiled down answer.
Here are Joel's words :
"So people in Hell are ultimately suffering under God's just wrath for their sin, and not just their sin of rejecting Jesus, but their other sins they've committed as well. Meaning what? Those other sins that they've committed were not atoned for by Jesus. They can't have been. Why? Because ...(catch this, almost done)... the reason why Jesus cannot have died for the sins of each and every individual knowing that many individuals will die and go to Hell, the reason why Jesus cannot have paid for their sins is simply this : Because God is just. God is just. And as a just judge God cannot and will not exact double penalty for a singular crime. He will not punish the same crime twice. It's not just. It's not fair."
Wow- Thank you for this explanation. It makes so much more sense to me now💡!! Eternal praises to God for what He has done for me 🙏
Jesus died for everyone
Christ died for us -- Paul
The us he was referring to was the church. But it is also true about all the elect.
@@joshuatheo1419 the church is the elect. are there believers who aren't elect?
@@joshuatheo1419 Christ died for everyone. If you call upon his name you will be saved
People ignore GOD so they can do what they want that is evil. But when something bad happens to them they shout, "Oh GOD Help me!
Yet God predestined people to hell loving God yea ok
Thank You Jesus for Paying for All my Sins Thank You Jesus for Shedding Every Last Drop of Your Perfect Redeeming Innocent Blood For The Forgiveness Full Remission of All my Sins Thank You Jesus for Dying in my place on The Cross ✝️ ❤To Pay for All my Sins as The Perfect Sacrifice because You have No Sin Thank You for Being Buried Thank You Jesus for COMING BACK ALIVE 3 Days After Your Death because You Are The Son of God and God At The Same Time!!!! I LOVE You Heavenly Father ABBA I LOVE You Jesus I LOVE You Holy Spirit Not 3 Different Gods But The 1 The Only True Living GOD Most High Revealed to us in 3 Ways ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ she who is Forgiven Much LOVES Much!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unforgivess what that many people are hell
I watched this guy debate Leighton Flowers, (an ex-calvinist) and this calvinist fellow talking now didn't do so well with his limited atonement argument. Calvinism makes perfect sense and then it doesn't. I do think these calvinists are good at pointing out many false teachers in the WOF and NAR movements, but they don't do well debating their calvinism.
I like Leighton Flowers a lot. I also like a lot of what Right Response Ministries has to say... except for what they say in regards to Calvanism which I can never get behind.
That because, ultimately, it is not defensible.
"Calvinism makes perfect sense then it doesn't" is EXACTLY what I just went through watching this video. This is my first time hearing what Calvinism is. It all made sense what he was saying until 3/4 of the way there I just got lost. As I'm typing this i still don't understand what he just said in the end there. The gospel salvation doctrine isnt this complicated guys 😂.
We are all sinners and the wages of sin is death eternal. There is no place in heaven for sin because it's perfect and God is totally Holy. We cannot pay for our way into heaven because our works/wages/we ourselves fall short of God's Glory. You sin against an eternal God, you have to pay an eternal price. So God, out of His immense, unconditional, and infinite love for us gave Jesus to die for us for our sins in our place so that we don't have to pay for our own sins. It is by His grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone that we are saved from this eternal death. We have to receive this gift in order to be saved. God justifies us, sactifies us and eventually glorifies us. We are totally and completely forgiven of ALL sins past, present and future. That's how we receive this free gift of salvation. We don't all automatically go to heaven because Jesus died for us. Some people don't want to spend the gift of eternity with Christ so He won't force them to.
As long as we are still in this body we continue to sin but the holy spirit persuades us to condem our sin. This is through Paul the apostile today.
The answer to the question is very simple... Faith! Jesus said in Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Ephesians says we are saved by "grace through faith." God has already abounded towards all men with His grace "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men," Titus 2:11. 2 Corinthians 5:19 states plainly that God has reconciled the entire world to Himself through Christ " that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation." This is why we are to go into all the nations preaching the gospel because Christ has already atoned for the sins of the World. However what God has done in Christ is not automatic it must be appropriated through faith which is our response to what God has already done. All of God's promises are appropriated through faith "That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises" Hebrew 6:12. Abraham is a perfect example of this God gave his promise to Abraham "So shall thy seed be" then it says "Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness." Galations 3 says it is with us as it was with Abraham "He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." God has given us his Word (The Gospel) like he did to Abraham and our only responsibility is to believe God like Abraham did and receive the promise. When asked what one must do to do the works of God Jesus responded with “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” This is the sole responsibility of all men to Believe the testimony God has given of His Son and act accordingly. This is why men are damned because "they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
It's ironic that your screen name is "Jesus Saves" because the argument you just made is that Jesus TRIES to save. God has done all He can to try to save you, but ultimately it's your decision. You need to be clever enough, humble enough, wise enough to pick up on the amount of light that God is trying to shine on your life, despite being dead in sin, enslaved to sin, and hostile to God. This is to say nothing of the fact that if Christ took God's wrath for people in Hell, this means that God pours out his wrath both on His son and on the damned. He does it twice! This is a self-contradictory notion and not to be found in Scripture. Just slow down long enough to understand the theological ramifications of the conclusion you're drawing from the verses you're quoting. Pastor Joel did a very good job walking through the text of Scripture and letting it speak. You ignored all of that and just quoted some verses as if this just cancels out everything that Joel pointed out. Deal with the arguments he made by pointing out his erroneous handling of the text.
As stated above scripture is clear Christ died for the sins of all and whoever believes will be saved and whoever believes not shall be damned. This is the simple Biblical Gospel. Men have complicated it through philosophy and human tradition this is why Paul says in Colossians 2:8 “ See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.”
This isn't a complicated question to answer unless you try needlessly making it more complicated by injecting crap like Calvanistic doctrine into it.
Grace is a free gift offered to all, paid for by Christ's death. All have been paid for, but to receive it they must first accept it first.
I've seen this argument made a lot. Something to the effect of: "I have bought enough tickets to next week's football game! It's already paid for, you just have to accept my free gift!"
Not everyone will accept it. If you don't accept it, you don't get the benefits of free gift I have paid for.
Clearly, you just ignored everything said in this video. How about you demonstrate where Joel mishandled the text? The vitriol that would lead you to call the teachings of Owen, Whitfield, Edwards and Spurgeon "crap" just proves the point that synergists are ultimately driven by emotion, not sound theology. Some very good arguments were made in this sermon and they're not new. They may have been forgotten in recent years. but this is what the reformation was all about. The great hymns of the faith are filled with the doctrines of grace. Have a little humility and respect. You can disagree if you like, but goodness gracious. Even if I disagree with my Arminian brothers and sisters, I still love them and try to compassionately deal with the areas where they seem to be misled. The anger that drives some folks is actually kind of creepy, especially considering how Satan feels about the power of the cross.
@@heartofalegend It's very telling that you got so emotional and out of shape because someone is simply saying Calvinist theology is wrong.
@@leonardu6094 How sad that that's your take away from what I said. If a Calvinist had used the word "Arminian crap", in response to a well-articulated argument in favor of synergism, I would've responded similarly. The point is to show some respect toward folks who are making a sincere earnest effort to convince others of the veracity of their position. There are men on both sides of this issue that I have respect for, as they are much more learned and accomplished than I am. To just dismiss their arguments as "crap" is irresponsible and unnecessarily mean. That offends me, and frankly, it should offend you, as well. Call it emotional if you want. From my point of view, it's emotionalism that drives folks to throw charity out the window when dealing with these things and/or champion others who do it.
Some don't want to be saved so they see no reason or value for it. Some see their salvation in science or human ability to save themselves. Some want to be saved but they want it on their terms. Some are deceived & think they're saved when they're really not. Some are on the path to salvation but won't make it because they're not the good soil that seed requires
I’ll bet you would be terribly disappointed to find out otherwise now wouldn’t you.
@@JustSaying1957 there's a difference between being called and being chosen. I'm a chosen vessel. I know who my God is and what I'm here to do
@@Post-Trib Be careful about your boasting. Your statement comes across as arrogant, brother. Paul warned against boasting. The LAST thing Jesus wants is for people who believe they are saved to be haughty about it.
@alwaysadawg6488 nothing to do with boasting at all. It's all based on scripture
How do you make sense of the invitational method?
Are you referring to the Altar Call?
I am referring to the "sinners prayer" stuff.
@@graspunwrapped1124 Oh, gotcha. There's nothing wrong with the sinner's prayer. After all, if someone is sorry for offending God with their sin and comes to realize they need to repent and trust in Christ as their only hope, it's natural that they'd want to apologize for their offense and thank Him for what He has done for them. The problem comes when we ascribe some sort of saving power or virtue to this prayer. For many, it becomes their linchpin. It's the moment to which they attach their assurance of salvation. This is something that has only developed in the last couple hundred years. The gospel has shifted from a command to repent to an invitation to accept. Truthfully, the biblical model is simply preaching to the unbeliever the reality of sin, the lordship of Christ and the call to repent. Then the Holy Spirit uses the power of the Gospel to regenerate hearts in God's perfect appointed time. Whether a specific prayer is ever said or not is irrelevant. It's all a matter of the HEART. Did the Holy Spirit change their heart? Well, if He did, it will evidence itself in a changed life.
I definitely have an issue with it based on how I have seen it used. Generally there is no discipleship that occurs afterward, just the prayer.
@@graspunwrapped1124 I can certainly understand that. There is a danger to it for that reason.
Real simple answer... FREE WILL! .. man just shorted the video to 30 seconds.
How does that answer the question
@@Checkmate777 freewill to accept Christ payment or not!
This makes absolutely no sense. Sounds like you’re going in circles with no real explanation.
Where does John say he’s speaking to Jews in 1 John? Or is there some other basis for asserting that he’s addressing Jews?
So even if you accept Jesus as you're savior you can still go to hell
Huh? Who said that?
@@heartofalegend I'm confused on what he meant. I'm not in a good place right now. I have repented and fallen back into the same sins multiple times and I fear that Jesus won't forgive me anymore. The bible says that Heaven is narrow and only few find it where hell is wide and many will go there. I'm afraid that I'm one of the many that won't make it into heaven. I want a relationship with Jesus. i've repented from the main sin I was struggling with finally and have tried reading the bible. I have asked Jesus to forgive me but I don't feel like that I am born again. Which is another requirement to get into heaven. Instead I feel fear, and depression all the time.
@@jigsawmerriam How can I help? Please let me know. I would be privileged to help bring clarity and a settled peace to your heart, my friend. The reason folks like me feel this issue is worth arguing about is because we feel the testimony of Scripture is quite clear that when God brings a dead soul to life, he gives them a new heart. He turns them from a God-hater to a God lover. He gives them a desire for His word and His people. He also allows them to continue to fall, which causes them to be reminded that they are utterly dependent on the righteousness of Christ, credited to them, by faith and achieved for them on the cross. The Spirit continues to do His work to change our desires and give us a deeper love for the Lord than for our sin. That process lasts our whole lives. That's why it's not the PERFECTION of our lives but the DIRECTION. Meanwhile, we have the peace of knowing that all of God's wrath toward us for our sin has been completely taken away by Christ. He took it all. Now, we have peace and harmony with God. We are SAFE in Him. Remember an unsaved person has no regard for any of this stuff. They are either convinced they can earn their way to God through obedience or they just flat out don't care about their sin. You on the other hand seem genuinely grieved by it and genuinely concerned about having a relationship with God. That in and of itself is a good sign that the Lord has made your spirit alive. Please reach out to me if there's anything I can do to help you further. Nothing is more important, my friend. Blessings!
@@heartofalegend but what about this verse in Jermah 16:3-5 3 For thus says the Lord concerning the sons and daughters who are born in this place, and concerning the mothers who bore them and the fathers who fathered them in this land: 4 They shall die of deadly diseases. They shall not be lamented, nor shall they be buried. They shall be as dung on the surface of the ground. Does that mean I lost my chance to be forgiven because I willfully sinned so many times?
@@jigsawmerriam Not at all, my friend. Two completely unrelated issues, here. Jeremiah was called the weeping prophet because God called him to speak His truth to a culture who wanted no part of it. As is the case many times throughout the Old Testament, God demonstrates His judgment against a culture that has repeatedly rejected His call to repentance and continued to sacrifice to their false gods. By contrast, when God brings a dead sinner to life, He puts them on the path of sanctification, gradually conforming their will more and more to His. And here's the kicker. The more mature we become and the more we expose our lives to the word of God and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, the more aware we become of our sin. We see how utterly dark and fallen our humanness is. We see how unthankful we are to God for His affection, for His provision, for His protection, and of course for His word. We see how amazing His grace really is! What I'm saying is that being acutely aware of your sin and your daily need to be free of it is something that is never going to go away. Rather, your awareness will actually grow in acuity, the more you mature in Christ. There's a great song from the 90's that I recommend you listen to called "In the Light" by DC Talk. It starts with these words, "I keep trying to find a life on my own, apart from You. I am the king of excuses. I've got one for every selfish thing I do." And then the chorus: "What's going on inside me? I despise my own behavior. This only serves to confirm my suspicion that I'm still a man in need of a savior." There it is, my friend. We come to Christ broken over sin, and hungering for righteousness. And guess what? That's how we remain throughout our Christian walk. Broken over sin and hungering for righteousness. That's what Jesus is telling us in Matthew 5. True citizens of God's kingdom come to God grieving over sin, and desiring His righteousness and they demonstrate they're saved by continuing in that state throughout their lives. Let me know your thoughts on that and we'll keep going.
*QUESTION:* Were any of the bad actors in the Bible (Pharaoh,Jezabel, Herod the "Great," Judas Iscariot, etc.) ever warned about hell? If not, why not?
@dafnic1561 It may surprise you to learn that you and I are not very far apart. I believe A) that man does not have an immortal soul and B) that the lost will, at some point, cease to exist. In short, I am a conditionalist, as distinguished from traditionalists and universalists.
Question regarding Limited atonement: Let's call the total number of the elect x. If the number of the elect was x+1, would Jesus have had to suffer more on the cross than he did?
No. Because he is fully God, he is infinite. Therefore, his sacrifice could be infinitely applied. He would have to die to save 1 or 1 trillion. But his death can be infinitely applied. The merits of his sacrifice are limited only by design, not necessity. “Particular atonement.” Jesus went to the cross for a definite list of names. The Good Shepherd laying down his life for the sheep. That said, if God decided to save one more person as of now, that person could not be retroactively placed under Christ’s previous death. In other words, Jesus would have to die again to save even just 1 more person now. That is of course a hypothetical example simply to explain the nature of particular atonement. This of course would never occur because it would constitute a change in the mind of God. God foreknew all the elect. Jesus died for all of them once. It is finished.
you said the total number of elect is x then you change it to x + 1. you can't change definitions in the middle of an argument
So many "Christian" churches think all sins are equal, and by default believe that God is an equal opportunity punisher. There are different levels of sin which means different levels of hell. This same concept applies to Heaven as well. More rewards and less rewards in Heaven.
Amen! Galatians 6:7 makes that clear. It doesn't make sense that Hitler and Stalin and RBG and every abortionist be punished as little as your average unbeliever who never physically murdered anyone. Also it makes perfect sense that RBG and abortionists get to experience abortion from the receiving end. God's Justice is Perfect.
I'm not sure that follows. That is, I agree that different sins are unequal and have different punishments (easy to see when we look at God's criminal code and 1 John 5: 17's sin that does not lead to death), yet we also have James 2: 10 - "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it."
Where there are verses that indicate different rewards in heaven, I'm unclear of anything that would support multiple levels of hell. All sin is a violation of the greatest commandment and I'm not sure if the exact expression of our hatred for God matters all that much for the punishment we deserve.
Hmm, I had paused in the middle to browse the comments. Joel brings up a good point with Jesus saying particular people will be worse off on the day of judgement.
Cool story, any reason to believe that bullshit?
@@MrTheclevercat Not for you, because Jesus does not call the self-righteous. Your atheism is a temporary condition, however: one day you will be a "believer" of some sort.
Great video as always, and thank you. The most important place in the All Authority of Scriptures that “propitiation” is used is actually in the Gospel message itself in Romans 3:21-28, and the heart of the gospel (vv. 24-26), contains the word below:
“Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
(Romans 3:24-26, KJV)
God bless 🙏
Well said! Sola Christus!
This keeps bringing up the thoughts of Schrodinger's cat experiment. Did Jesus die for all of our sins or didn't he?
When we die isn't our sin being paid for twice? The bible says the wages of sin is death.
Joel, I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether you believe there is sin in hell. My initial inclination is 'no' and after some study, I'm more confident in that inclination. The main reason is sin is rebellion and if it is exists in hell, then all things aren't reconciled yet. Also, finite sin from an unrepentant heart against an infinitely holy God, deserves infinite, not finite, punishment, therefore eternal punishment is justified.
I believe sinners will continue to sin in hell.
But even if there wasn’t, you are correct. Sin in this life against an infinitely holy God would still be worthy of eternal punishment.
I would argue that all sin is a violation of the greatest commandment, and I have serious doubts that people in hell will be loving God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength. What will be right is that their sin immediately receives the punishment God requires instead of the delay God currently shows for the sake of his people. Their sin will be immediately reconciled with God's justice.
@@oracleoftroy incredibly well said. Thank you.
@@oracleoftroy ahh, thanks for this. While every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, I can see how they would continue to violate this commandment in hell.
“All who the father gave me I will loose none!” Why would Jesus Christ suffer for the sins off those who he never intended to save? To say that he died for everyone is to say that he potentially died for everyone and specifically for no one.
Wise man once said “God elects those who elect Him”.
@@anthmoses Then God is not electing he is reacting.
God saved every one who wants to be saved if you reject him he will reject you.
@@aubreyaros2638 “There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God”.
Who says so many go to hell?
Absurd! Your out of your mind. God does not trash his creation. Jesus saves “all”!
So no Christian’s will enter hell?
Amen!
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Jesus will return after Jerusalem gets nuked by the abomination which causes desolation mentioned in Matthew 24.
Jesus must reign until he has defeated all of his enemies. All Power, Dominion, and Authority then the last enemy that will be defeated is death itself. The He will return the kingdom back to God.
The Earth is Hell in the future (2 Peter 3). It gets hit by an asteroid (Revelation 9) and pushed toward the sun (Isaiah 13-13).
The New Jerusalem will take the best of humanity and the glory of the nations to a new Earth where righteousness dwells.
But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
The cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
I don’t think “ ours” is meaning Jews . The letter is written to believers. I think “ ours “ is believers.
John 14:6 - King James Version
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 - King James Version
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 1:16 - King James Version
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (The Letter of Paul to the Romans)
Romans 5:18 - King James Version
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (offence of one - Adam's one trespass, one sin, led to the condemnation of all men - the righteousness act of one was Jesus' death on the cross to pay for human sin)
Salvation is not getting your sins forgiven, it's believing they already are!
We are all sinners and fall short in God his glory - how to be saved - this is the gospel of salvation - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4 by trusting and believing the gospel of salvation you are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise till the day of redemption and nothing can pluck you out of the Father his hand - (In whom we have redemption through his blood , even the forgiveness of sins: (Colossians 1:14 - King James Version) - eternal security is a free gift - it's a promise and God Almighty cannot lie!!! Have a blessed day!
This is the gospel of salvation - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4
Witnesses of Christ's resurrection. 1) Moreover,brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2) ''By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
Ephesians 2:8-9 - King James Version
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
IT IS FINISHED... Paid in Full !!! But, You Must BELIEVE IT - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV.
2 Timothy 2:15 - King James Version
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Romans 2:16 - King James Version
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (Paul's Gospel - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4).
Galatians 1:8-9 - King James Version
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
KJV - Bible verses about Jesus is God
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
G - GRACE
R - RIGHTLY
A - APPLIED
C - CHANGES
E - EVERYTHING
Religion is always dealing with you and what you're doing and what you're not doing,
anytime you're sitting around thinking what should I be doing you're under religion,
the grace of God is dealing what Christ did.
Under religion man always says look what I'm doing for you God and under grace Christ says look what I did for you man.
Under religion man says look how I went to church under the grace of God Jesus said look how I went to Calvary.
Under religion man says look at how I was raised in my denomination and under grace Christ says look how I was raised from the dead.
Under religion man says look at how I gave my money and under grace Jesus says look at how I gave my life.
Under religion man says look God at how I confessed my sins and under grace Jesus says look man how I took away your sins.
Under religion man says look God at how I stood up against sin and under the grace of God Jesus says look man at how I died for your sins.
Under religion man says look God at how I judged the lost world and under grace Jesus says look man at how I saved the lost world.
Under religion man says look God at how I got up and marched against these evildoers and under grace Jesus says look man how I suffered and died for evildoers.
Under religion man says look God at how I bow down to you and under grace Jesus says look man and how I became one of you.
Under religion man says look God at how I healed the sick and under grace Jesus says look man how I raised the dead.
Under religion man says look God at how I spoke in tongues and under grace Jesus says look man at how I spoke in life.
Under religion man says look God at how successful my life was and under grace Jesus says looked me at how successful my death was.
Religions my friends is always man trying to reach up to God with self effort to be accepted by God.
Through classic Christianity was God reaching down to man through Jesus with love and acceptance and that's why Paul said we preach Christ and Christ crucified a stumbling block to the Jews foolishness to the Gentiles but to those whom God has called both Jews and Gentile Christ the power of God and wisdom.
Source ''Truth Time Radio''.
Like many "Christians" today, Satan believes Jesus died on the cross, but not for HIS sins. He believes Jesus has risen, but not for HIS eternal life.
Satan believes the event of the cross but never put his trust in Christ's finished work for salvation.
Salvation is not: Believing there is a God. (Satan believes that)
Salvation is not: Believing Christ was the Messiah. (Satan believes that)
Salvation is not even... Believing Christ died, was buried and rose the third day. (Satan believes that also)
Salvation is: Believing Christ died for YOUR EVERY SIN and trusting that He rose to give you eternal life IN HIM!
Something Satan and most Christians want no part of because of their PRIDE!
If denominationalists truly believed Christ forgave their sins, they wouldn't spend so much time trying to GET them forgiven.
One tells you to pray for forgiveness.
One tells you to confess for forgiveness.
One tells you to believe for forgiveness.
One tells you to repent for forgiveness.
One tells you to be baptized for forgiveness.
And keep in mind, all of these folk with a straight face will tell you Christ DIED for your sins. Welcome to Nutsville!!! I think Dorothy got lost on the yellow brick road.
Today I unapologetically proclaim that there is only one way to be saved, and it has nothing to do with getting your sins forgiven. Salvations through FAITH. (Ephesians 2:8-9) Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Salvation comes to those who are ready to give up on THEIR performance and rest their faith in JESUS' performance.
The path to salvation is narrow. SO narrow that nothing you do will fit.
Satan will never be saved for the same reason he was kicked out of heaven. P-R-I-D-E. (Isaiah 14:12-14)
Read carefully and count how many times he says "I".
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Satan is obviously a Narcissist!
Like a vain person in front of the mirror, five times in only three verses he boasts of himself. Pride keeps Satan from being saved as it does most of the world. They have fallen victim to SELFIANITY and are incapable of letting go and letting God. Incapable of taking their filthy hands off their salvation and allowing God to save them by HIS finished work!
If you say --- "I said a prayer for forgiveness." "I confessed for forgiveness." "I believed for forgiveness." "I repented for forgiveness." "I was baptized for forgiveness."
Then sadly you have fallen for the five I's just like Satan.
Salvation is not getting your sins forgiven, it's believing they already ARE!
To be saved, you must first get "I" out of the way.
You only get two educations, the one you're given and the one you give yourself!
Source ''Truth Time Radio'' for solid teaching/rightly dividing the word of truth - also here on youtube - learn the truth and unlearn the lies!
You might want to explain that flying off the handle to Nadab and Abihu, Uzzah...
What a horrible God to follow
What about when before I was a christian. It seemed to me that the wrath of God was upon me. But if Christ paid for all my sin already wouldn’t that mean that the christian would never have been underneath the wrath of God before he believed. If that is the case, why did it seem like I did not have a relationship with God before 2 years ago when I was born again at 17
Think about it like this - if I offer you a gift of $100, but you haven't yet accepted my offer, it's sitting there on the table for you to take whenever you decide, you obviously don't *have* the gift yet. I gave it to you, but you haven't accepted. And we have to accept Christ's gift of salvation before we can enjoy that gift and what comes along with it. That's why the Bible talks about us "receiving" so much, that's used in the active sense, we have to actively reach out and receive it.
@@zzevonplant By the Calvinist definition, “receiving” is man’s work. God choose some. He condemns others. No action on the individuals part is needed.
@@jennyjohnson1930 I don't care about Calvinist definitions, presuppositions, or doctrines, I care what the Bible says. 🤷♀
But yeah, the Bible also says that faith is not a work, it explicitly says that. So, the Calvinists are just flat-out wrong on that particular point. They're not wrong about everything, but they're definitely wrong about that.
@@jennyjohnson1930 Not that receiving per se is a work, but that the gift of salvation by grace through faith is all God's work given as a gift to us so that man may not boast, but when non-Calvinists try to separate out faith as something that originates in man that is exchanged for salvation by grace, you make receiving salvation a transition of the same sort that Paul calls a work, and just repeating "but, but, it's not a work" doesn't make it not a work. If it walks and talks like a duck...
@@oracleoftroy God can’t give you faith. Faith is your trust, reliance on Jesus, your response to What he has done for you and your faithfulness to Him.
The benefits of propitiation are only APPLIED once a sinner accepts the gift of God’s sacrifice of Christ on the cross. God is just. There is no double payment. If you take away an individual’s God-given ABILITY to choose God you have a God who is neither just nor loving but one who arbitrarily chooses his favorites. The doctrine of Limited Atonement lends itself to creating the pharisaical tribe for our modern times.
_"If you take away an individual’s God-given ABILITY to choose God you have a God who is neither just nor loving but one who arbitrarily chooses his favorites."_
I don't think it is either just or loving to let the guilty criminal sentence himself. Grace and mercy are under the discretion of the judge. It's the world that thinks it is loving to release criminals and burden the law abiding.
It's true we EXPERIENCE our choice in time to put our faith in Jesus as originating from within, but Jesus and the scriptures speak of our INABILITY to turn from our sin, making us dependent on an outside source; namely, the Spirit of God who regenerates our hard heart of stone to give us a heart of flesh. Jesus explains the spiritual dynamics of belief and unbelief in John 6. We are only able to choose God because we are GIVEN from the Father to the Son FIRST. Jesus says we are slaves to sin. Slaves cannot free themselves, they are unable and need a rescuer; no coincidence Moses the liberator was a type of Christ. Paul in 1 Corinthians 1 and 2 talks about our inability to love or even understand the things of God; they are foolishness to the Natural Man. The Bible has so much high revelation and clarity about the implications of our fallen nature and rebellion that I am convinced none would ever have chosen God if left to ourselves.
Here is what I don't get: sinners of all kinds (murderers, thieves, adulterers) will go to hell whether Jesus died on the cross or not. So it would seem that Jesus' sacrifice alone is not enough to apeace the wrath of God. An action from man is still required in order to get saved. Whether that be repenting, accepting Jesus, stop sinning.. something is needed in addition to what Jesus did to achieve salvation
*appease. do you believe in salvation by works? or do you not understand that God provides this faith and repentance? _we do nothing._ read the bible again
@@hondotheology So Jesus didn't die for all but only for those whom God provided with faith and repentance
Salvation is a gift. The gift is there and we choose to accept the gift and live a life of gratitude for it or we reject it. We don’t pay for gifts with works or it’s no longer a gift. What many miss is Christ doesn’t send us to hell - we send ourselves by choosing.
@@RealDefinitionsMatter but 'choosing' is an action of the free will, so in the end the sacrifice of Christ alone seems insufficient unless WE take action by 'choosing' Him
@@GioTummy3463 On the Molinist view, we don't choose Him, He chooses us. We merely stop rejecting Him. I think that is similar to the Calvinist view. Either way, it doesn't seem to be a work, just a change of will. Most of humanity simply will not stop rejecting Him because they love their sins too much.
They are not united to him by faith, sir. They are united to Him by God’s “sovereign” act of regeneration regardless of the will of the individual. Please be more clear in representing your position. Clarity is kindness.
That's not exactly the Reformed position either.
You say: _"They are not united to him by faith, sir."_
But the Reformed confess (Westminster Confession of Faith 26.1:
All saints that are *united to Jesus Christ their head,* by His Spirit and *by faith,* have fellowship with Him in His graces, sufferings, death, resurrection, and glory: and, being united to one another in love, they have communion in each other’s gifts and graces, and are obliged to the performance of such duties, public and private, as to conduce to their mutual good, both in the inward and outward man.
_"They are united to Him by God’s “sovereign” act of regeneration regardless of the will of the individual."_
This is also true enough, e.g. chapter 13.1:
They who are effectually called and *regenerated,* having a new heart and a new spirit created in them, are further sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ’s death and resurrection, by *His Word and Spirit dwelling in them;* the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed, and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified, and they more and more quickened and strengthened, in all saving graces, to the practice of true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
The Reformed position has always been salvation by grace through faith, we don't see them as opposed to each other. And the "Irresistable" grace we talk about is specifically the grace of regeneration, so again being regenerated and given the gift of faith is not in conflict.
It isn't as simple as saying it is against our will. In regeneration, our will is make new and enlightened from its bondage to sin. As 10.1 says:
All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, He is pleased, in His appointed and accepted time, effectually to call, by His Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ: enlightening their minds, spiritually and savingly, to understand the things of God, taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh; *renewing their wills,* and by His almighty power determining them to that which is good; and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, *being made willing by His grace.*
As sinners, we will to sin and defy God. As a new creation, we will to obey our savior.
For further clarity, I highly recommend reading the historic Reformed confessions. They do a great job of laying out what has united Reformed Christians for centuries.
@@oracleoftroy
Just because a text uses many, many words does not mean it brings clarity.
I understand that the Calvinist view has regeneration preceding faith. You do not see them as “opposed” because the Calvinistic systematic redefines the initial act of “faith” as the result of God regenerating the heart. The individual’s choice is unnecessary in the transaction. Again, just plainly tell the unsaved, unless God chooses them and regenerates their will to obey God, there is no hope of salvation. The verdict has already been determined.
All you have to do is prove that heaven, hell, your god, etc exist and we can talk lol. You guys basically live a Harry Potter fanfiction lifestyle lol.
It will always seem that way to you until you choose to earnestly seek. I used to be an arrogant atheist like you, but then I started seeking in earnest, and I found Him.
Ah, yes. "I'll believe when God comes down and appears to me." He did, 2000 years ago and we killed Him. Question: How would you feel if God did appear to you and said, "The Bible is true. I created you to glorify Me by worshiping My Son and obeying My commandments." What would you say?
@@LateNightRewrites I am so arrogant that I require evidence to believe things. I feel good about that. You are mentally inferior if you became religious and think you are less arrogant now.
@@heartofalegend He never appeared to me and has never appeared to anyone else. Of course I would believe if god made it obvious that he existed. We both know that will never happen and the problem isn't that I require too much evidence. The problem is that there is 0 evidence for your god claims and mountains of evidence *AGAINST* your claims.
Like I said, you only need to prove any of your claims.
@@MrTheclevercat I'm curious why, of all places, you're here watching this video. Not that it bothers me, but I just find it odd.
it's important to remember there is no such place as hell. only an evil God would create such a place and only an evil human would think people are headed there for the crime of disbelief. it's laughable really and grown adults really should know better.
There is a reason Jesus taught about hell constantly.
@@douglasmcnay644 The Old Testament doesn't know anything about Hell, it's a later development after the Jews were exposed to Zoroastrianism during the exile. 70 years in Babylon gave Judaism some new ideas inspired from the Persian religion. The concept of heaven and hell, angels and demons, resurrection of the dead and a final judgment. When those Jews returned to Palestine they were known as the Pharisees (the separated ones). And from that moment forward Hell was apart of Jewish theology.
So yeah, Jesus taught about Hell, but he didn't come up with it.
@@douglasmcnay644 Cool, can you quote Jesus on hell please? Also, you're an adult who believes in hell lmfao!!
When God finally stops patiently putting up with man's rejection of Him, and stops graciously allowing those who curse His name and defile His creation to enjoy sunshine, laughter, family, music, and love, they will discover what a Godless existence actually is. It's an existence bereft of hope. No light, no laughter, no music, no order, no love, no peace. Just an eternal, dark, meaningless void. A perpetual state of dying without ever actually becoming dead. Everything they love about life is because of God. When He finally steps away the way they are dying for Him to do, what they will be left with is what we call Hell. And as bad as it is, they will STILL prefer it to bowing the knee to Him.