Where was Jesus for the three days between His death and resurrection? Did Jesus go to Hell?
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"Where was Jesus for the three days between His death and resurrection? Did Jesus go to Hell?"
Dr. Bruce Ware answers in Honest Answers | Episode 87
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I always get choked up when I read that part with Jesus and the criminals. It makes me feel like I have a chance.
Anyone who truly accepts Jesus will have salvation
You don't have a chance; you have a garuantee if you accept Jesus! 😁
@@blackmongoose1325 So do nonbelievers. Every knee shall bow.
I don't believe in God i believe in Jesus only .am I condemned Jesus is God there is no other
@@ricodorsey1169 Jesus is God? Your God says to seek GOD first. Mt. 6:33
Then there's the matter of,
"Hallow be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done." God is your Jesus.
Jesus said to Mary while standing outside his tomb after being resurrected, "I have not yet ascended to the Father".
Bodily. He hadn't ascended bodily.
@@1689solas maybe... maybe not. That not a strong argument you have.
Dylan is right.
I am surprised this wasn’t mentioned during the video...along with the reference to Abraham’s bossom... he only argued against half of the justification for this belief!
Doesn't that tell you where paradise is. It's within you.
I look forward to eternity and learning and worshipping Him without distraction and the limits of an earthly body
You’ll have a new body in the new Heaven new earth
If that is true, then it makes me love him more than I already do.
READ ISAIAH 53 !!! this will affirm everything
Truly, you will be in paradise with me today.
John 20:17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God
how can he be in paradise when he DIDNT descended to the father......................
Sheol is divided in two parts. Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) and
the place of suffering. Read this Luke 16:19-31. Jesus went down to Sheol 1 Peter 3:18-22 then after the third day resurrected then ascended into heaven. Short but I hope this makes sense.
I am telling you today, you will be with me in paradise
Jesus wasn't in heaven that day. He said to Mary, "Do not touch me as I haven't been to heaven yet. After three days?
will Robinson AND JESUS said to the thief on the cross “TODAY you shall be with ME in PARADISE” so no Jesus did NOT stay did.
The problem with ancient languages is punctuation;
"I say to you, today you will be with me in heaven..." versus
"I say to you today, you will be with me in heaven..."
BIG difference.
shit help I dunno, but for the 2nd example ("I say to you today ...") the "today" is superfluous because Jesus is definitely NOT speaking to him YESTERDAY or TOMORROW. Hence the 1st example seems logical - "I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.".
@Random Person Except you have a problem in John 20:17: "Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
How could Jesus have ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father immediately after His death in light of that verse? Was Jesus lying?
The son of man must descend into the heart of the Earth and on the third day rise again
@Random Person The son of man will go as it has been ordained, but wow unto him who betrays the son of man, for him, it would be better if he was never born...You must be born again
Me be wrestling with atheism within myself today, he's a person with out apart of the body of Christ
Man, Mel Gibson will have a field day with this.The Resurrection will be the best Christian film ever.
Mel still has a huge problem with his Jewish friends in his industry. He was able to get his good movies made mostly on his own direct investment and some outside. But now.. hes been outed as an oddball anti-semite and has yet to be forgiven for his shenanigans. He could make a movie.. but it wouldn't get distribution, nor any kind of coverage.
Paulo the question is why should there be a resurrection. There have been billions of people on this planet so heaven must be over populated with souls by now. A question that needs to be answered is what keeps the soul as a living entity after death? Death is the end of energy in the body so why can there be an energy keeping the soul alive?
@@davidclark573 I'd recommend getting a good NLT Application Study Bible. And reading it. God and our souls are supernatural, that is, they exist beyond nature. We are similar to God in this way. He gave us life, as he did all beings in His creation. We do NOT have life without Him. Leave your imagined heavenly overpopulation problems to God. He has prepared us many rooms--that according to Jesus. It will be amply equipped, as you will see if you are a believer. Give yourself, body mind and soul to Him, read his word every day, and you'll be very familiar with Him and His kingdom when you get there.
@@tdw57 You need to realize that there are over a hundred and ten religions in the world and your religion is just one of them. All have a different interpretation of what god is. What you believe is what you are taught and told to believe. My life became very happy and fulfilled as I began to cast off orthodox religion and started putting my own religion together using reason and facts. I have been a better person to be around and have been able to help others in a more meaningful way. again open your mind to the fact that there are 110 religions in the world and just because you believe in one religion because your parents led you to it does not mean it is more important than any other religion. If you miss that point you will always be a sheep. There is nothing wrong with being a sheep and going though life that way if you are happy. That is why I do not encourage others to drop their religion, it is something a person must do with reasoning.. I have to laugh how religions put a guilt trip and a scare in anyone who thinks about questioning what they are taught or breaking away. The god inside you which is your life force includes the ability to reason for yourself, try using it.
@@davidclark573 then please do tell why the fuck you gave your input on our faith if theirs so many out their?
“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”
Matthew 12:40 NKJV
I believe Christ was being very clear in this passage where he was going after death on the cross.
That could also easily just mean the tomb though (which is made of literal earth).
By there fruits u say know them ,God is never mocked ... anyone who adds or subtract ..
@@kolab5620 heart of earth ?? B very careful God is never mocked
@@gideonstunner7150 pardon? I don’t know what you meme. I’m just showing that his interpretation isn’t obvious.
@@kolab5620 how can heart of the earth b on its surface..u know what I mean
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!” Matthew 27 - Amen
THANK YOU! This is exactly what came to mind when I started watching this video. I’m not sure why this teacher would interpret it any different.
@@followersofyeshuahamashiac462 AMEN ~ The Holy Bible is very clear. Peace & Health ~ Blessed Holy Easter to you & yours. HE IS RISEN INDEED!
@@followersofyeshuahamashiac462 what do you mean
The “ thief “ might have been a rebel against Rome. Not a thief. Thank you for a fine explanation.
@libahopeson1296 No answer, I guess.
Not sure I agree. I believe paradise typically referred to Abraham’s bosom. From what I understand. Typically. I think the man on the cross went with Jesus there. In Matthew 27 it talks about how saints rose from the grave and spoke to people. I think that’s who Jesus spoke to. I believe Jesus descended into the part of Hell called paradise where the saints were waiting in a peaceful place and He brought them out. The Bible teaches about Abraham’s Bosom in Jesus’ story about Lazarus and the rich man. Some actually believe it wasn’t a parable at all. Could be agrued. But you can't argue with this verse.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Or Hell.)
I like a lot of these teaches but I’m not on board with this one sorry. Plus I’m not a big fan of different translations adding words that weren’t in the original Greek. Seems dangerous to me
it could be, "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise." So when He returns, and the criminal is resurrected, He would share paradise with Jesus. Which is what he asked for, for a part of the coming kingdom.
There are many examples in the bible of them saying things this day, or today, so I would try to make the case without this one verse. I testify to you today, or against you today, I teach you today/this day, I command you today, etc.
Paul teaches that the believers who die will come forth from their graves at Jesus’ second coming and then the gift of immortality will be bestowed on them, so this seems to agree with the scriptures more to me.
I absolutely agree with you Trav. I believe the word quite plainly tells us that our LORD went down into hades, claiming all those who were His from paradise, and delivered His gospel to all those who died from the time of Noah, that they might be saved, or indeed left for judgement. Our LORD's parable of the rich man and the poor man tells us all we need to know about hades and makes what He does later, very clear.
I agree with you buddy.
Some of those added words are needed because word for word translation of the Greek doesn't make sense in English. The words added are those implied by the literal Greek. Other places the translators added words that really are added. Unfortunately I don't read Koine Greek or any other Greek so I can't tell the difference. As you wrote, dangerous. Some translations give literal translations in the notes some places where the additional words are needed.
Trav B dude you are so right. He went down into Abraham’s blossom and took back the keys to Hell death and the grave. Colossians 2 says he spoiled powers and principalities openly. Jesus kicked Satans but and roasted all those demons. His blood then cleansed the mercy seat in heaven, and now all the people that were counted ritcheous in Abraham’s bossom ascended into Heaven. Now we all go to Heaven if you receive Christ!
It’s scary how all the older pastors who you think know the word, yet they have no clue.
This is where Holy Spirit comes handy; when doubt sets in or clarity is needed on any passage of the scripture.
Praise Lord Jesus!
At 7:53 you talk about Jesus being with the Father during his time in the tomb, however, he told Mary not to touch him because he had not ascended to the Father.
Exactly!
I agree with your question
yes. Luke 16 says about Abraham's bosom. that's what Jesus talked about. it's a part of hell
@@Eben_Haezer Revelation 20:14-15 (KJV) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
@@tsaltslinger3268 that means the reign of Death and Hades, as such, would come to an end. Revelation language is like that in my opinion.
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Psalm 16:10)
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew (12:40)
Interesting topic. I do want to interject a subject of time and relativity here. My points below I hope will construct an arguement supporting how Jesus descended into hell and rose on the third day and yet have the criminal accompany Jesus Christ into heaven when Jesus said he today you will be with me in paradise. But before I do, I want to establish accepted understandings.
1. God is the Alfa and Omega.
2. Alfa means the beginning.
3. Omega means the end.
4. Alfa = Omega means no sense of time in heaven.
5. The Bible states that when the day of judgement arrives, all the living and dead will rise. So how can some sinners be suffering in the hand of demons when judgement has not happened?
6. How can Jesus Christ descend into hell and rise on the third day?
7. How can Jesus promise the criminal that he will be with him in paradise today?
The answer is time relativity. You see that no time exist in heaven. Time still exist on Earth. If you view the events of earth in heaven, it is a miniscule fraction of a second. As a mortal on earth, I will eventually die and be in a sleep like trance that will run until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Then all the dead and living will be judged. In heaven, time on Earth has come from beginning to end in the blink of an eye. So Jesus did descend into hell and rise on the third day relative to time on Earth. But time in Heaven was a blink of an eye. In heaven, Jesus was able to promise the criminal the ability to accompany him in heaven today because when the criminal died, he was buried and in a sleep like trance till the day of judgement. That criminal is still to this day in a sleep trance awaiting the day of judgement. But in time relativity in Heaven, all the events that happened on earth happened instantaneously in a blink of an eye so the criminal upon his death felt as if he woke up in heaven. This is liken to when we fall asleep at night and wake up not experiencing every second, minute and 8 hours of sleep that transpired.
Revelations verse 5 shows that Jesus was the first to rise from the dead even though trillions of men and women are in a sleep like trance awaiting the day of judgement. And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.
So all of the time events can happen when you break away the assumption that time is not constant in all the realms God works in. It is all relative as Einstein proved.
Actually Jesus was not dead 3 nights, he died friday 3 pm and rose from the dead sunday before 6am so that's under 39 hours.
Psalm 16:10 isn't about resurrection and Jonah wasn't dead in the whale's belly
@@jonttu1960 The Hebrew calendar is Different from the Roman calendar we use today
He was Risen on the 3rd day, from the time of Death, he was hung on the cross at the 3rd hour, "around 9am" and died at the 9th hour, "around 3pm". Jesus was raised from the dead ("on the third day" counting the day of crucifixion as the first)
With Christ Jesus being Omnipresent, is it not possible that He could have been at both the places at the same time, accomplishing heavenly mandates, hidden to us? But thank you for the great thoughts through scriptures. Only makes me realize how much there is to study
I don't think jesus was omnipresent, he was located In a body.
Jesus was not Omnipresent when he was on earth in a physical body or when he was in the grave. He only reestablished this when he ascended to Heaven. He was put into the ground(buried); He did not descend in Hell.
Jesus is not GOD
@@Spilldrillzthen who is he?
@@SpilldrillzJesus is God.
And he didn't need to go and suffer in hell to accomplish our salvation.... The work on the cross was sufficient •
but isnt the punishment for sin damnation? and he took the punishment for our sins?
@@InitialPC he took it on the cross. He literally said "it is finished." There's no more suffering to be had afterwards
@@carlosmembreno7831 he also literally said "God why have you forsaken me?"
Because the sin of the world entered him, so what happened to that sin? what did he do it? if it took him three days to come back, where was he in those three days?
@@InitialPC he die on the cross to give us salvation and a chance to live eternally.Hes provided that with his death,so it's up to man kind to live and choose which path to take.Repent and accept Jesus as our Saviour.
He didn't suffer in hell,he went into hell to preach to the fallen angels back in Noah's time.
Brother Bruce, why did you not continue with verse 9? It reads;
Now this, “He ascended”, what is it but that he also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Ephesians 4:9
Jesus also said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:40
He completely missed this point. Also, the letter of Peter and Hebrews.
1Pet 3:18-20: "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water."
Heb 2:10-16: "For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” And again, “I will put my trust in him.” And again, “Behold, I and the children God has given me.” Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham."
Heb 11:39-40: "And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect."
The perfection of the OT saints came only after the atonement, and after Jesus has released the Bosom of Abraham.
Eph 4:8-10: "Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.” ( In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)"
Mat 27:51-53: "And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many."
Hi my name is Arthur Garrett when I was 13 years old I felt a sleep on Easter Sunday in Church and I had a dream The first part of the dream I seen a man on a cross. Then the second part of the dream
I went to a dark place and seen this Man with a brown robe on him grab these sparkly bright white shiny keys. The third part of the it was light and seen a path of gold bricks And I seen the man sandals his brown robe with a hood and I seen this man face and he smile at me . Then I woke up in church and this preacher went up In front of church and said JESUS Christ died on the cross went to hell to get the keys of hell and death and descended in Heaven . The Vision the Lord gave me when I was 13 years old am 36 now.
Either you had a dream or a vision but not both at the same time. Which one is it? There is a big difference between dream and vision.
Joseph Mauricio Flores sounds like his English isn’t so well. Relax man. Relax.
never trust dreams of the sub-conscience, this is of devil spirits, sure
@@pricelessperfection4606 a dream that JESUS died for my sins so I can be saved why would the devil show me this to became a more a believer of Christ .
Be careful what say became remember what JESUS said to the pharisees when the pharisee said JESUS was working in the power of beelzebub Jesus said don't blaspheme the holy spirit because that is an unforgivable sin. I will keep you in prayer
Arthur Garrett 👏🏽😭😭😭🙌🏽🙌🏽 God bless u Arthur... this is confirmation of verse “17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. “ REVELATION 1:17-18... He does hold the keys to both hell and death. JESUS HAS THE AUTHORITY! whether or not he did go to hell. He holds the keys. God bless ⭐️
What an amazing Redemption.. just how fortunate are we. . thank you Jesus..
awaiting in Paradise!! I can do that!!
He went to hades. Hades is the place that holds Abraham's bosom (paradise) and hell. The souls in paradise is what he went to retrieve.
Ummmmm No.
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We're still waiting for your Biblical source, and your theological reasoning...stating an opinion does not make it so. Much easier to stick with what is main and plain, anyway, rather than getting caught up in arguments
Absolutely what I believe. He told the criminal on the cross that "today you will be with Me in paradise "
The Greek word referring to the place of the dead is hades. The KJV translates sheol and hades as hell. Even in modern translations that use sheol and hades more often still refer to hell. Hell is of germanic/nordic origin for place of the dead. I used to have a similar theory to yours brother but I believe it to be incorrect
Edit: I think that sheol, hades and hell are synonymous and I'm lead to believe the same for the grave. But my theory was that the grave contains Abraham's Bosom/paradise and hell/hades/sheol across the great gulf. But from what Ive seen grave seems to be synonymous with sheol and sheol with hades. See Acts 2:27 and contrast with Psalm 16:10. NKJV translates Acts verse as Hades and Psalms verse as Sheol since OT references in NT are from LXX
There are at least 15 passages that explain that Jesus went down into the bosom of Abraham and preach to cross a great gulf to the spirits that were in hell. Luke 16:9-31 is a good start
Cornerstone Fellowship with Pastor Allen Nolan goes into depth about what you said.
Name one. They don't exists. Jesus died on the cross. If he didn't die, then he didn't over come death. You can't over come something, if you don't go through it. Because essentially what you're saying, is that Jesus never died.
@@richj011 That pastor thinks a lot about himself, and he is usually only about half right.
why doesn`t trinity mentioned in bible
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 It doesn't, therefore it's not a true statement.
"Paradise" at that time was in Abraham's bosom. "Who shall descend to bring Christ up? (From the abyss). The belly of the earth.
Doubt it
@@jasonbourne5142 , Don't Doubt.
Believe.
@@ralphborroel5684 abrahams bosom is symbolic , paradise is heaven.
@@jasonbourne5142 , That statement was true from MrCranberry17.
PARADISE AT THAT TIME, was in Abraham's comfort or peace.
What you are saying is also true.
PARADISE NOW, after the raising of the saints from the heart of the earth, IS NOW HEAVEN. Because they ascended to the third Heaven.
Listen to pastor Bryan Wollfmueller. We definitely have to believe Jesus went to Hades, but we don't have enoughb biblical support to affirm He released people from the Bosom of Abraham. The rich man, at Lazarus parable looked on high... Eliajah and Moses appeared to Jesus at the Transfiguration Mountain...
I have read the interpretation that “hell” is total abandonment of God. On earth even the unbelievers still have God present in their lives, they just do not acknowledge or realize it. For God loves all of His children on earth, we have His love whether we believe or not. But in Hell, ones soul is completely abandoned by God. They no longer have His presence as they once did on earth. And so did Jesus have some sort of abandonment of God for three days? “My God, My God why have you forsaken me”? I’m not sure .
prior to Christ's resurrection "Paradiso" (Paradice) was in Hades. Christ went to Hades (desended into) and freed Paradice (and those there) from Hades (from Satan's control - Christ's defeat of Satan).
How do you define love?
You’re separated from God relationally, but not positionally. You’re separated from the loving relationship/grace with God. But not positionally, you must pay for your sins in hell, and the one who gives the punishment is God Himself. Since you decided to reject His beloved Son.
When he asked why God had forsaken him, it was because at that moment, the full measure of humanity's sin was upon his person. God cannot accept nor look upon sin, so at that moment, as mankind's substitute, that what should've happened to us all happened to him...being rejected by God. But alas, we all have the ability to be forgiven because of this act by Christ and God. He died and was rejected so we wouldn't have to be. Well not die spiritually mind you and be condemned.
Hell is living with the consciousness of inhumane treatment of others and the self. Some people live in Hell on Earth and death frees them. The people who commit inhumane acts and are not bothered by it are the worst and most dangerous to society. In history Kings and other sole leaders felt justified for inhumane treatment of others to maintain a kingdom or its expansion. Consciousness of actions is determined by the position a person holds. In my book The Direction of Man I stress that the perfect government model is in our biological interior and when we allow one person to rule a nation we are inviting disaster.
“”When He ascended He led captive a host of captives “ Ephesians (4:8).This is what that verse means: When Jesus died He went to the heart of the earth for three days and three nights as He said He would (Matthew 12-40)
Thus we know that paradise was at that time in the heart of the earth, because Jesus told the repentant thief that He would be with Jesus in paradise that day. Then Jesus came back into His body(which was in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea) and came out of the tomb. Then He was on earth for another 40 days, and appeared to many people. After that He ascended to heaven. When He ascended, He took all the people who were in paradise (who had been captives in the heart of the earth)up with Him to the third heaven.
we know today, that paradise is in the third heaven, because in
2 Corinthians 12:2 and 4, we read that Paul was taken there. And he says he was taken up and not down. When a child of God dies today, he doesn’t go down to the heart of the earth like Moses, David , and Jesus went when they died, but he goes up to the third heaven where Christ is today. Christ descended first into the lower parts of the earth (4:9)Ephesians
Hell was also there, but there was a big gulf between hell and paradise-as we read in the true story of the rich man and Lazarus. Hell is still in the centre of the earth.””
Ref Zac Poonen
Through the Bible book (page 766)
correct, is important to always check the original source in greek, the Evangelion speaks of 3 "places":
-Hades aδης (Ades) the "undeworld" it's a neutral place( it is not "hell"), is the place where ALL the death go no matter if it is a good person or bad, Christ went to Hades, Hades has a good side ("paradise" or the "bosom of Abraham", lazarus is here) and a bad side (Tartarus, the greedy rich man is here) both sides are separated.
-Tartaros Τάρταρος a place of torment (but it's not "hell") , this place is not eternal, its an intermediary stage of torment until "the second death"
-Gahenna γέεννα (Geenna) THIS is Hell the permanent place of suffering, "the lake of fire", after "the second death" this is the place where the wicked and non-believers will be ad-eternum
the King James makes the error to call all this places just "Hell" making everything very confusing, that's why its important to check the original greek (the interlinear text at Biblehub is a great resource)
there is a great video "true-to-the-source" explaining all this by David Bercot "where do we go after we die"
If paradise is already there, then why does the bible say that God is going to create New heavens and a new Earth? Jesus promised the thief on the cross that he would be with him in the new heavens ( paradise )and earth when he comes to be glorified in his saints. When he comes , his desciples will probably be sent to continue preaching about Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God again, because , Man has made a big mess of his Gospel, and every body is being taught a different Gospel than the one his apostles preached.We could end up being damned. So read the Bible , and test the spirits whether they be of God. There are many Anti-Christs out there seeking some-one to devour.
@@fenech97 new heavens is not a replacement for the third heaven where God dwells. New heavens is replacing the old physical universe, that is, the cosmos with the galaxies and star systems. New earth will replace this old earth. Paradise is currently in the third heaven based on Paul's experience. New Jerusalem will descend to the new earth in the end.
This text in Ephesians does not prove that some disciples went up to heavan with Jesus. Its FIGURATIVE'. How do we know? Paul explained that the resurrection BEGINS, at the 'great trumpet' on the 'last day' ( see 1 Cor 15:52). Some in Paul's day, ( after Jesus ascension) had wrongly assumed the "resurrection had already taken place. See 2 Tim 2:18) . So scriptures show the resurrection hasnt started yet! At Eph Paul showed how in the christian congregation disciples had been made 'spiritually alive and freed from the captivity of sin and death, God's Spirit was now poured out on them, giving them new life and happiness! ( We can share that too!)
So what all of you are saying, is that Jesus didn't die on the cross. That means he never over came death, because you can't over come something if you don't go through it. You all just called Jesus a liar.
When someone is released from prison he typically rides a designated bus to an area to go back into freedom. The "captivity captive" I believe was the process of Jesus pulling behind him (in His ascension) a long train of OT believer's souls that needed to be held inside a protective power sphere from God to reach Heaven. When they got there? They "got off the bus." That "divine bus" had them locked inside and captive until they reached the designation point.
I’m sorry but that’s just not true. Old Testament saints were in heaven when Jesus was on earth.
He had just established His church on Earth. He then established His church among the dead, after His death but before resurrection.
You can’t argue with that bit about “You will be with me today in paradise “
Yes you can. This man does not understand eternity. Jesus did not ascend until he was resurrected, He had other things to do. The thief on the other hand went elsewhere where Jesus was in paradise.
God is eternal my friend and as such time has no meaning!
Trying to understand the Bible with the human mind is futile.
If we have Jesus in us and if we connect to Him and ask Him, and wait on Him, we might receive the revelation from Him.
What revelation and what scripture are you referring to, I wonder. He has already revealed what we need unto salvation, and those words are already present in the Bible.
Written by humans based on some fantasy memories..and fictionary ideas
Scripture is the full revelation of God to man. It is all we need and all we have been given. Any “other revelation” cannot be trusted. In fact anyone claiming to have a revelation from God should be seriously doubted and I have only heard people in cults claim to have new revelations.
Be careful about waiting for revelation. God will never reveal any new revelation because in these days God has spoken to us through His Son. That is in Hebrews, chapter 1. Jesus is the last speaking of God.
I disagree. And many historical theologians disagree. Jesus was in Abraham's Bosom delivering the OT saints to heaven because Hebrews 11 says OT saints cannot go to heaven without Jesus' atonement on the cross.
@Crim Sin I thought Jesus was resurrected third day, third day means after two days, cruxified in Friday, resurrcted in Sunday.
@Crim Sin To complete the spiritual work, I believe he had to seperate from the body in order to enter paradise as humans do.
Crim Sin the forgiveness that Jesus gave was fulfilled at the cross. Forgiveness must be accomplished through atonement. The forgiveness given by God in the Old Testament and New Testament pre crucifixion where conditioned on the future payment made by Jesus in His sacrificial death.
If Jesus is the first born of the dead, and he is the one who is to resurrect all the rest of the dead, then how could he be in Father Abraham's bosom when Father Abraham has not yet been resurrected ? As the apostle Paul stated ; each in his own order, Christ the first fruit of the dead, and then those for Christ at his coming .
Blessings
There is no one in hell yet. Hell will not be occupied until after the Great White Throne judgement.
The only thing given about Jesus's comings and goings during those 3 days is "alive" by the Spirit He went to preach to the spirits in prison. Those who died in the flood of Noah so that they were judged according to the flesh but may live according to the spirit. That is not hearsay or tradition but was written by Peter in the NT.
Those who died in the Great Flood will burn forever, as they rejected the Holy Spirit's warning, choosing death, instead!
This is a very interesting topic. It has long been a focus of meditation for me: Where was Jesus in the 36 hours between the the stone rolled to close the Tomb on Friday evening and being seen by Mary Magdalene on Sunday Morning. There is no answer but we can explore the possibilities. I was afraid that Dr. Bruce Ware would just recant the traditional positions but instead He debunked them. We often say in preaching and song that Jesus destroyed the gates of hell but that is only based on the statement the very gates of could not withstand Him, which is not quite the same thing. Though having spent a lot of time in contemplating this, I had never considered Jesus's words to the dying Thief and i thank Dr. Bruce for calling my attention to that. But the question has no COMPLETE answer and is open to further contemplation.
I thought he was going to give an easy answer and he refrained from doing so.
Part of the meditation is how did Jesus become alive again? A clue to this that i find in scripture is Genesis 2:7 -- Then Adonai Elohim fashioned ha-adam (the man) from the dust of the adamah (pun) and breathed into his nostrils the nishmat chayyiym (breath of life or lives) and was the adam l'nephesh Chayyah (to a living being) ("and was ... to" means "became" and "was" is not really the correct word given the nature of Hebrew verbs.) But again this is something we can only wonder about.
I am greatly impressed by brother Bruce's perspicacity and now i will try to see as much as i can of his messages. In general i have so much of Southern Seminary's output to be grateful for and when i get myself sorted out will express my thanks with a token gift.
He was crucified on the high sabbath a Wednesday add three days and three nights to that not 36 hours
this youtube channel is so extremely important I thank the Lord foe each and everyone of you who put time and effort into getting the absolute truth of the scriptures out there . God bless you all.
amen to that.....correct years of false teachings from local Churches....
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the DEAD shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live. John 5:25
I was dead when He rescued me.
Refreshing and concise. Made me a subscriber.
I think Jesus told us where he would be doing for the three days in heaven, he was preparing places for us in his father's mansion.
This guy needs his own channel. I would listen daily
Paradise = Abraham’s bosom. Luke makes it clear with the account of the rich man and Lazarus.
1. Rich man is in the place of suffering aka hell.
2. Lazarus is in Abraham’s bosom aka paradise
3. The great gulf that is fixed between the place of suffering and paradise is the bottomless pit aka Tartarus.
Jesus Christ descended into Abraham’s bosom and emptied it out by taking all the OT saints to heaven aka the Fathers house.
Hence why when a believer dies now, they are present with the Lord in the Fathers house and not in Abraham’s bosom.
Unbelievers still go to the same place the rich man went to, which is hell.
Most likely in the center of the earth. Amen.
100% agree.
So we're the TO saints captives who were set free?
WRONG!!!! WHAT PART OF THE BIBLE CALLS ABRAHAM BOSOM PARADISE? Where do you fools get this? Abrahams bosom IS ABRAHAMS CHEST!!!!!!!!! THAT'S ALL YOU GET FROM THE STORY OF LAZARUS.. YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE
@@deanoware3961 it's not possible to enter heaven without Jesus? Where's the proof?
@@deanoware3961 whole lotta vain jangling.... THE BIBLE IS MY PROOF... AIN'T NO FOOL LIKE AN OLD FOOL! No where in the Bible does it even hint at a positive part of HELL!!!! You aint got no proof in God's word.... Look up every time bosom in mentioned IT'S ALWAYS IN REFERENCE TO A BODY PART!!!!
Jesus was very clear on this point when He told His disciples, do not touch me because I have not yet ascended to my Father. He didn't go anywhere, he was dead. The living know that they shall die, the dead know not anything Eccl 9:5
The dead in the passage you're quoting means the Natural Mortal Man, NOT the spirit man or Living Soul. Consciousness is indestructible.
@@kingdomscience6480 that is not what the scriptures teach... That's what hell is the removeal of both Body and God's breath of life which creates a living soul
@@johndena2882 You're a spirit with a Mind and Body. Ask any practicing Jew, who'se are Scriptures. But whatever suits your worldview and Belief system, I prefer this perspective. Matter cannot produce Consciousness.
@@kingdomscience6480 matter didn't produce consciousness. God formed man out of the dust of the earth and then breathed into him the breath of life, and man became a living soul the combination of matter and God's breath produces life... at death, breath returns to God and the body returns to dust consciousness leaves the moment the breath returns to God... The Jews are in the Bible, but the Bible is much more a book about all of Humanity and God's dealings / relationship with all the people of this earth which He created through His Son. The Fall of Humanity happened long before there was ever a Jew and the life and death of His Son, Jesus Christ was for the reconciliation of all Humanity not only the Jewish nation... With respect
Soul sleep is unbiblical. Clearly when Jesus said that, he was referring to bodily ascension, which did not occur until 40 days after his resurrection. Many scriptures attest to this. Rev. 6:9 (the souls slain under the altar asking the Lord when he would avenge them); the poor man in Abraham's bosom, speaking to the rich man across the great gulf; Phil. 1:23 - Paul desires to depart and be with Christ, which is far better; David would go to his son, but his son would not return to him. And kingdom science already explained the Ecclesiastes passage. Also keep in mind progressive revelation; although some OT saints, such as David, understood the intermediate state, it was not completely clear to all of them and it was left to progressive revelation to remove the ambiguity. This can be clear to anyone who has a Berean attitude and studies the full testimony of Scripture.
Fantastic! So much clarity given
“It is finished” Christ said, so if he had to continue suffering in Hell for 3 days then it was not finished. TODAY you will be with me in paradise. My absolute favorite Bible verse. TODAY!!
Ponder this... When you die you don't have recollection of time. So if u die and are dead for 3 days or 1000 years and are resurrected in your mind no time has passed and the time your dead will feel like an instant. It will feel like you fell asleep and woke up.
So he didn't need to be resurrected? My God my God, why have you forsaken me? Hell is separation from God. The Father and Son were separated as he took the sin of the world, and the Father cannot look upon our sin. The world was reconciled to God at the cross, that is what is finished.
@@theearthlaughs4251 Yeah and some people I've met, have never thought about what it would be like so, I just thought I would throw it out there.
@@nickma71 Yesssss! Thats what im saying. Preach it!
Dear Sir, Jesus told the thief on the cross that ; today you shall be with me in paradise. Remember, when one dies, his spirit becomes unconscious and remains in this condition until the resurrection day. During this state of unconsciousness time is lost! This simply means that when the thief's spirit is resurrected it will seem to him as if it were that same day because he will be in paradise with Christ.
Blessings...
Nope. Wrong. Those who die face judgment and go ultimately to heaven or hell.
Solomon the preacher teaches us that the dead are concious of nothing, he states that; "The living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything".(Ecclesiastes 9v. 5) The apostle Paul teaches us that the resurrection has an order to it. He illustrates this to us in the book of 1 Corinthians 15v.23 which reads " but Everyman in his own order; Christ the first fruits of the dead. After ward they that are Christ's at his coming". This simply means, that the dead remain in an Unconscious state until the resurrection day !! Daniel the prophet reminds us that; "many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake , some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt".(Daniel 12v. 2) It is easy to see that all three men of God are portraying the same line of thought! So our advise for you is to use the Bible as your guideline, and stop listening to the doctrines of men.
Blessings...
@@n41698m Sorry, it's you that's wrong. Romans 6:7 " For the one who has died has been ACQUITTED from his sin". A persons sins are paid in full when they die,
there is no reason for any further punishment and "Hell" is not a place of torment. It is a wrong translation of SHEOL (Hebrew) and HADES (Greek) , words that mean simply the GRAVE.
Many Bible translations render it this way so a little research will help.
The bible teaches us that it was given unto man once to die and after death the judgment. The apostle John saw the dead standing before the throne of God and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books according to their works and whosoever was not found written in the book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20 v. 12- 15) This is what will happen to the unrighteous dead! They will be resurrected to be judged, and to face the punishment of the second death in the lake of fire!(Revelation 20 v.6) This is the written word of God, not my word .
Blessings...
Wrong. According to the Bible, nobody is in Paradise/Heaven yet. The only one who is in heaven is the Lord Jesus Christ the firstfruit. He has a new spiriual body, He is God's new creation, the second Adam. *Sheol and Hades are nothing more than the grave* There is no such place as the mythical pagan place called hell. Even the word hell is pagan. Eternal life by faith in Jesus Christ or *perish* in the lake of fire aka the second death. Those are the only choices. There are no disembodied spirits in heaven. When your body dies your soul dies with it. That is what the Bible teaches. The immortality of the soul comes from Gnosticism.
From where did Jesus call Lazarus to come back to life from the dead? From heaven or from the grave? Why is there no record of Lazarus explaining to his sisters of his death experience? Lazarus could not explain because the dead know nothing *(Ecclesiastes 9:5)* even being in a conscious state like any person fast asleep. Yes you don’t know what goes on around you while you’re asleep. *Acts **2:29* Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of *the patriarch David* that he is *both dead and buried* and his sepulchre is with us unto *this day*
www.jba.gr/The-origins-of-the-doctrine-of-the-immortality-of-the-soul.htm
John 20:17 “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”
Matthew 12:40, NIV: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
and so his BODY was.
@@TheTriplelman They then burried in a tomb not 6ft under like we do now. Can you help me with your perspective?
@@15bashie yes Suzan, what is your question or quandary?
@@TheTriplelman Tyler has quoted matthew 12:40 with the possible conclusion that Jesus did infact visit hell and you responded and "so his body".
Do you believe that he didn't visit hell and that scripture is talking about his buried body in the tomb rather then the spirit in hell?
Thank you
@@15bashie the great thing is, with study you can always find the truth in the word of God. The last thing Jesus said before he breathed his last breath. "It is finished" John 19:28. That ment it is ALL done, the debt has been paid. Jesus became the final and ultimate sacrifice for our sin. The word in this verse, “finished,” is actually from the Greek word, “tetelestai,” which is the same word that means “paid in full.” Often, it was used in an accounting term, which indicates a debt was paid. The uniqueness about the way it was written is that the tense of the word indicates both a point in time it was complete and that it would also continue to be complete or finished. And this is the essence of what Christ came to do. He came to “finish” God’s work of salvation in us. He came to “pay it in full,” the entire penalty, or debt, for our sins. So, nothing else (like going to hell, for some obscure reason) would have been done. 3 days in the depths of the earth, means phyisical death. Hell is not the physical,earth, it is the spiritual death. So people say that Christ went to hell are confused and are not reading the whole Bible that would make Christ a liar if he told the man on the cross next to him today you will be with me in paradise and when he said it is finished. 1Peter 2:24 says, "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.” - thats it. Not by his wounds and suffering and oh by the way he went to hell for three days that's nowhere to be found in the Bible I hope that helps I'm glad you're thirsty and looking for the truth look up Ray comfort and how he Witnesses the people and watch a lot of his videos and slowly learn how to do that because people really need to know Jesus especially at this time good for you
Okay, I can believe that! Question though, why at his resurrection did he tell Mary not to cling to him, he has not yet ascended to the father?
Because he was going to leave.
Doesnt mRNA he hadn’t already once potentially, just that he was was going to again.
why trinity never written in bible
“I praise Thee.. for he hast went down in shinning light, to the gates of hell and took the keys of death for which binds me, and brought me out of the scorching depths of darkness and into the light of peace and mercy.
I got reunited in heaven with family, friends and old enemies with joy and shall forever praise Thee. I shall triumphant with songs of praise and joy for Thou hath freed me, and no longer in the dark pit of hell rotting dead in a cage and weeping..”
What in the fuck did I just read 😭😭😭
@@takingapu wash your mouth out
Yep I’m not sure what you read. I’m confused too. What is that?
I am under the impression that Jesus died on the cross for all men of all times not only those that came after him and those that kept to the law before him but for all men of all times. In what regard Jezus descended into hell or hades or sheol remains open to discussion in my opinion.
He started In hell, then he picked him up to the byzantines where he framed him to live forever with the beasts...he was Adam and Jesus, and his name was Adam.
There are 4 words that are translated into "hell" in the English. Only one of them refers to our idea of the actual hell.
Sheol & Hades - These are the grave. The dwelling of the dead. Hades was taken from the Greek and it was a place for all dead, not just the bad people. Sheol is the Hebrew version of that.
Tartarus - This was the Greek prison for the Titans. This is the prison in which the fallen are kept in. You might know it as the bottomless pit. I think this word only appears once in the bible, but it is also translated hell.
Gehenna - In the Old Testament, this is the Valley of Hinnon. It's where the Israelites caused their children to walk through the fire as sacrifices to Molech, a false god. It was later looked at as a kind of cursed place and tradition has it that this is where they ended up throwing dead carcasses and periodically burned them to prevent disease (I can't verify this). None the less... every time this word is used, it is in reference to the Lake of Fire. Which is the closest thing the bible mentions that resembles the Dante's Inferno created version of hell.
The idea of hell as we know it came in large part from 'The Divine Comedy' by Dante Alighieri. It came from Dante's imagination.
And 100% of the words written into the bible were written by regular humans, by word of mouth, based on memories of what was said by jesus.
Hundreds of pages full of memories and you all believe its all free of "fillers" and "fantasy stories"? Seriously?
@@ci8158 I'm assuming you don't believe in God...
However, let's pretend for a minute. Let's say for arguments sake that there is a God. Wouldn't the God that created literally everything that ever existed be able to make sure that the words He wanted written down, were actually written down the way He wanted?
Seems logical to me.
If we go off the assumption that there is no God, then why do you care what meaningless hobbies people want to entertain themselves with?
Do you go around challenging the existence of facebook, because people are wasting their time on it?
@@kevinhartley8504 it is a frightening thought that what we think of as sacred....is some fictional account....
Ok he went to both places, took on our sins, died, went to hell because of the sin. Snatched keys to hell, went to the father to report job done . PERIOD
That was great..thank you so much🙏🏿
Thank you for sharing this, very helpful.
hi there.hola hooray hey. here we go the truth coming up,actually turah&bible were from god but they had been corrupted afterwards as a result god sent down quran upon prophet muhammed&god said i`ll preserved the quran thereby god had fulfilled his promise ,let me show u friendly&honestly the truth,okee dokee.shedding the light on christianity to know the truth first of all there is no original bible the 4 main bible are contradicted to each other yet there is 1 quran but who is the writer of bible the answer is paul the jewish who hates jesus let us discuss about the significant event which is crucifixion why does your would claimed god left his only son to crucify without any sin he had committed the disaster reached its uttermost when u found bible said on the tongue of jesus my god my god why do u forsaken me means jesus has never crucified willingly have u an idea why do they `ve crucified jesus because it`s a penalty of an impure &particularly crucifixion because dindn`t touched the earth make it an impured that what paul said jesus gets impure for the sake of us &see the authentic god what does said in quran chapter 3 verse 55 by the name of god the most gracious&most merciful ,
O Jesus, I will take you and raise you up to me, and had purified you from those who disbelieve, and He will place those who follow you above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection, then to Me is your return, so I will judge between you regarding that in which you differed,the authentic god rose jesus to the sky before they kill him in addition he had purified him from a false accusation of he was an impure . quran verse is comply with the bible itself :So they lifted up stones to stone him. But Jesus did and went out of the temple, passing through them." ( John 8:59 ),let alone of many verses in the bible incites to violence thus u found the largest massacres had happened in history the ww1&2 christian countries against christian countries 100 millions had been killed not to mention the sex stories in the bible nay u never found a single sex word in quran,don`t take it in personal just i clarify u the plain truth,bible said woman when she during the menstruation she gets impure &any thing she would touched it will be impure &should stay at her room till had done of it don`t see that an insulting to woman &how does the claimed god in bible said so he demeans& underrates his own creatures, yet islam honored the woman &she has a complete chapter its name women show us her rights,let us look at modern medicine which refutes the bible, ovulalation happens every 28 days from overy next month from other ovary when fertilization fails to happen mestrual bleading happens it always stops when a female gets pregnant ,menstrual cycle ovulation the female genital system consists of one uterus to overuse vagine& externat genital organs ,,the blood during menstruation could cause diseases to spread and that’s why does a woman during her menstruation needed to isolate so the blood would not be passed around to other people & diseases not be spread that`s what god has said in quran and they ask you about menstruation say, isolate women don't come near them untill they get purified verse 222 chapter 2,why there are priests,pastors&nuns are reverted daily to islam,yet u `ve never a muslim clergy left islam as per western media said that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world,i didn`t like to push islam onto u god said no compulsion in religion verse 256 chapter 2,figure it out then make up your mind,peace....
I lean toward the traditional interpretation for this reason...I believe Jesus did preach the Good News to those who had died prior to Christ through out history. I think everyone has been given the opportunity to hear the Good News as a result. Just my humble opinion since I cannot claim to be a Theologian.
How then did John say in John 20v17- touch me not fit I am not yet ascended to my father. And say to them I ascend to my father and your father… ‘ he ascended after seeing her, then Thomas could touch him later… how would the speaker explain this if he ascended immediately
Yes truly, you will be with me in paradise, BUT for the next 3 days I have to run a few errands and take care of some business. Then will he up. May God Bless you 🙏😇
Let us set aside a "preferred religious view" and observe how Yeshua used this phrase. As you know He always used it to preface something very important.
Let's consult a listing of every instance in which the Christian Greek Scriptures records this phrase and see if there is a consistency we can appeal to for authority in this matter.
I consulted my Strong's concordance and counted a total of 74 entries of "Verily, verily, I say unto you". Now If you refer to your WT published "Comprehensive Concordance" (1973), you will notice that it too has a similar listing, "Truly I say to you," Observe this column. Notice how all the commas line up and Jesus was consistent in his application of this phrase?
Oops, except one. 73 of the 74 phrases have the comma after "you".
Did you notice which verse is the sole deviant? Do you suppose this one exception is due to a "preferred religious view" of WT Corp?
"Let God be true and every man a Liar".
Its my view, for what that is worth, the ephesians passage isnt an either or proposition on the "led captivity captive." This is referencing psalm 68 which speaks of God desiring the mountain of bashan and the defeat of the supernatural and territorial evil of bashan and its mountain. That mountain almost certainly was Mt Hermon (the place where tradition has the Genesis 6 angels coming down to pollute the whole world with their seed -and thus oppose Eve's seed [Gen 3]---that is in gen 6 context, noah, his descendents, israel and most emphatically and most direcrly Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of Man of Dan 7 to whom all power was given by the acnient of day, that is the Father).Bashan was the general area called Cesar Phillipi in Jesus ministry. Also the local he was at when Jesus said upon this rock i will build my church and where he was transfigured. Also an area viewed as the gates of hell during Jesus tine and before. Recall Jesus stated the gates of hell would not withstand the church. The church would overcome them. The kingdom of God would defeat them. Also, back to bashan, psalm 22 (my god my god why hast thou forsaken me) has the bulls of bashan surrounding the crucified christ (strong bulls surround me many bulls of bashan beset me round...they have pierced my hands and my feet) But the allusion to psalm 68 that Paul makes in Ephesians...it describes ancient vicotry procession in which yes conguered princes are led back by the victorious king to his land but also the great and victorious king has the prisoners the bad guys had imprisoned by his side. He has set the captives free you see as another passage has it. They were captive to sheol, that is death. And christ and the cross is the defeat of death. He has the keys of death and hades as revelations has it. BUT also he did make an "open show" as Colossians states of the principalities and powers and especially the prince of this world, that is Satan. He demostrated himself king of kings lord of lords and going to the old testament language God of gods. He, in my view, then at that time before ressurection, preached to the spirits THEN in preason (which, the passage states, were at one time disobedient during the days of Noah 1 Peter 3.20), that is tarturas, locked in chains of darkness (2 peter 2.4), the lowest pits of hell. He preached the gospel. But it was not good news to them but a proclamation of their doom for conspiring to kill their God and lord to whom they will one day bow the knee, "that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow of things in heaven and in earth amd UNDER the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." phillipians 2.10-11. They had conspired to kill him and he walked into sheol and made fools of them all. Jesus feet were as fine brass as burned in a furnace rev 1.15 states. Powerful stuff.
ProvokingThought Have you read any works by Michael Heiser? A book he wrote called Reversing Hermon talks a lot about this. Good comment, brother! God bless!
@@JordoGarcia Yes, I like Heisers stuff. He took what was cloudy and made it much clearer. It's amazing how those threads run through scripture. Thanks, God bless to you brother!
I believe Jesus didn’t go to hell but he went to paradise (Abraham’s bosom, or that they would eventually be in paradise in heaven when Jesus conquered death), like a safety place for those who were saved before Jesus died. Jesus went to the place where Lazarus went and rose up all those people because they all believed.
You are 1,000% correct!!
Acts 2:31 KJV says he did go to hell
Yea this guy has it wrong.
Mathew 12:40
@@abelincoln8885 I'm pretty sure the "heart of the earth" is referring to His burial in the tomb, which is in the earth.
I like what Southern Seminary had to say. The video title asks tough questions (and raise more) that are partially addressed by many relevant passages in scripture, but seem to lack definitive answers. We know that at some point Jesus took on our sin (probably right before crying out) and was separated from the Father. We know that the devil has never owned anyone's soul (no ransom theory, instead propitiation and life in Christ). Jesus experienced death on our behalf, death on the cross (and separation from the Father). How long was this separation? The passage, (approx.) this day you will be with Me in paradise, limits the last question. However, in regards to Jesus going to paradise, after He had risen and was seen by Mary He asked her not to cling to Him because He had not yet ascended to the Father. Does this mean He went to heaven and didn't see the Father? Abraham's bosom should still have been in effect (I go to prepare a place for you, that where I am there you may also be) so maybe. Was something specific (between Jesus and the Father) supposed to happen that just hadn't occurred yet? Did Jesus do something else between dying and going to paradise? If so, what was it? If it's important for us to know, one day we'll know. Some may/may have already know/known, but the numbers claiming to know/have known are far far greater than those who actually do/did.
that phrase....today......you will be with me, in Paradise.....there was no comma in the original....so one has, to guess, where to put it....and it makes all the difference.....
Also, when Jesus cried, "Father, into Your Hands I commit my Spirit," that sounds like Jesus was being called to the Father in Heaven.
It was just simply like this..
It was already told by Christ (Matt 12:40),he will descended on the earth.
Before the ressurection , where He exactly at?
(Acts 2:31) in Hell
"Hell" Eng
--"sheol" heb.
--"hades" gk.
But in (Lk 16:23-26) illustrating that the hades was separate in 2 parts..
(Lower Part)The place of suffering were the richman there ,
(Upper Part)The place of lazarus were abraham was also there..in (verse 26) it was clearly separated..
Now among the 2 places that was separated Jesus went in Upper Part where abrham and all the OLD testament saints where is(Psalms 16:10)King David.
. including the malefactor on the cross beside Jesus.. that means the paradise Jesus was talking about was the upper part ..a.k.a. (Temporary Paradise)
Why He is there?
(1 Pet 3:19)He preach to the spirits in prison(OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS)
His purpose?
(Eph 4:9&8) to set them free,to bring them on heaven (verse 10)
I agree completely... this believing has been within the church from the beginning, I do not understand why some new "scholars" come with such a "reliable" interpretations
That's not completely accurate. Hades - Sheol was not hell. In Revelation 20:10 we read:
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur (hell), into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:14-15: Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death-the lake of fire. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Clearly there is a difference between Sheol of Luke 16 and the Lake of Fire in Revelation 20.
Wow this guy really comes across to me as sincere, I really appreciate that, God bless him!
Really because everything is opinionative of what he’s saying and he looks a little Jewish
Question concerning “ absent from the body, present with the Lord?”
What became of the believers in Christ who died while Christ was still alive?
2 Corinthians 5:8 doesn't say that we will be with the Lord when we die. It says rather to be with the Lord than in the body. Both are conscience states, the time starting at death and ending with resurrection at His second coming has no conscience at all.
So the believers who died when He was still alive are in the same situation as those who died before and after, dead, not aware of anything at all.
I am a bit surprised this video didn't speak about the 'Abraham's Bosom' interpretation since it is held by many Christians. It is my understanding that there are distinct words for hell, Abraham's Bosom, Heaven, etc. This should have been addressed for completeness.
The Bible uses 3 words that are translated as "hell" so be careful to not misinterpret. When asked about Lazarus, Jesus said he's dead....the Bible also says the dead know nothing.....also, the "gift of God is Eternal life" so the only time you can be immortal when your soul/spirit can be "alive" somewhere, is upon the resurrection when Jesus returns
The people who wrote the bible didnt know who wrote what anyhow..there were a bunch of people writing it, putting a bunch of stories together, collecting memories of speeches by jesus by people on markets that were listening to some of jeses words and quotes..
@@ci8158 written across different locations, times etc yet all relate to each other
Ok but what Jesus was saying was I tell u today, like saying I'm telling u on this day , u will be with me in paradise.
@Beautiful White I knew when I saw the first 2 lines on your comment, that you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses. You are not supposed to be on website such as this because your so called gb, circuit overseers, local elders, the friends etc....would call you an apostate!!!!! But I'm so happy you are here! I hope you learn the truth about the so called truth. Come to Jesus, repent and be saved and one day you may receive eternal life!
@Jacob/Becca Gizmo the Squirrel
He was in Hades.. not hell.
You are right about the rest
Amen..
Hey@@beverlyharward9631 beautiful white proved her point with scripture can u do the same?
Paradise is where the righteous spirits await the resurrection. That is what Jesus meant.
You have it right on this one! Jesus was saying you will have a spot in heaven when i come. Its comforting for people to believe in immortal soul. Doug Batchelor ( Amazing Facts ) has many books on these topics that are backed up with scripture and not based on one verse out of context.
One could argue that in Luke Jesus knew what was to come and told the man to not be afraid because he will be in paradise eventually. Thank you for sharing it is good to understand both sides of perspectives to the the debate. God bless
In the original text there are no commas, or punctuation. They are placed in by the translators. Some bibles put the comma in a different place which would harmonise with other scriptures. It should read, "Truly I tell you TODAY, you will be with me in paradise.". Totally different understanding. On that dreadful day Jesus promised that the man had hope in being in paradise, not that the man would be in paradise that very day. We know that jesus was dead for three days so placing the comma there make more sense and by harmonises with other scriptures.
We can debate this all day but let's not forget why we are here🙏
Is the correct comma punctuation of Luke 23:43, "Truly I say to you, ..." or is it "Truly I say to you today," ... . There is a correct answer using the Bible alone.
Let's consult a listing of every instance in which the Scriptures records this phrase and see if there is a consistency we can appeal to for authority in this matter.
I consulted my Strong's concordance and counted a total of 74 entries of "Verily, verily, I say unto you". Now If you refer to the WT published "Comprehensive Concordance" (1973), you will notice that it too has a similar listing, "Truly I say to you," Observe it's column. Notice how all the commas line up and Jesus was consistent in his application of this phrase in the Watchtower concordance?
Oops, except one. 73 of the 74 phrases have the comma after "you".
Did you notice which verse is the sole deviant? Do you suppose this one exception is due to a "preferred religious view" of WT Corp?
"Let God be true and every man a Liar".
I translate Luke 23:43 as if he’s telling him today (being that day, as they both hung) that one day he’ll be with him in paradise after the great
resurrection
It's not one day(as in a future day.Thats what SDA believers teach),but that very same day.
Why state the obvious? Of course he was telling him "today" (as opposed to yesterday or tomorrow) but that wasn't the message. The message was "Today you will be with me ....".
The WT Corp. changed the placement of the comma to support a previously determined doctrine but it is erroneous.
Let us observe how Yeshua used this phrase. As you know He always used it to preface something very important.
Let's consult a listing of every instance in which the Scriptures records this phrase and see if there is a consistency we can appeal to for authority in this matter.
I consulted my Strong's concordance and counted a total of 74 entries of "Verily, verily, I say unto you". Now If you refer to your WT published "Comprehensive Concordance" (1973), you will notice that it too has a similar listing, "Truly I say to you," Observe this column. Notice how all the commas line up and Jesus was consistent in his application of this phrase?
Oops, except one. 73 of the 74 phrases have the comma after "you".
Did you notice which verse is the sole deviant? Do you suppose this one exception is due to a "preferred religious view" of WT Corp?
"Let God be true and every man a Liar".
And from the story of Lazarus we also see that the rich man in torment was able to communicate with Abraham who was in paradise but they were separated by a great chasm so Christ being in paradise was also able to communicate with those in hell and torment whilst he was taking those that were righteous out of the grave
John 20:17 Yashua said to her, "Do not hold onto Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father, and your Father, and to My Elohim and your Elohim.'" (HalleluYAH Scriptures)
thank you for this Godly exposition.
Man..your weed must be real good
great sir praise the lord
I was taught that with no punctuation, (even though you added it, it 's not there in the original script) we may not know how to read Jesus' words "Truly I say to you today you will be with me". Was He saying I tell you today that you will be or Today you will be with me. I was taught that we don't really know.
Thanx 4 the confirmation & explanation
"assuredly I tell you today" is an expression similar to "I tell you now". The Lord was not saying that the thief would be with him in paradise that day!
Why are you changing today for now? They are obviously NOT the same word or the two separate words wouldn't exist. Punctuation? There is no problem with this verse when you consider ALL the other verses in which Jesus said; "truly, truly, I say unto you, ..." . Have a look at them. Jesus used this phrase a hundred times. If you refer to a concordance, you will see that the commas All line up (f they don't, your concordance is obviously in error!).
Besides, stating, "I say to you today, ..." is redundant and superfluous. When would the listener think he was talking? Tomorrow? To speak in the present tense has to be "today". Also, He never said "today" in any of the other references where this phrase is used, and he didn't here either. As with all the other 100 or so instances of Jesus saying "truly, truly, I am telling you, ... " the comma is after "you". "today" is grammatically connected to "paradise".
Let us observe each time Yeshua used this phrase, "Truly I say to you". As you know He always used it to preface something very important.
Let's consult a listing of every instance in which the Scriptures records this phrase and see if there is a consistency we can appeal to for authority in this matter.
I consulted my Strong's concordance and counted a total of 74 entries of "Verily, verily, I say unto you". Now If you refer to your WT published "Comprehensive Concordance" (1973), you will notice that it too has a similar listing, "Truly I say to you," Observe this column. Notice how all the commas line up and Jesus was consistent in his application of this phrase?
Oops, except one. 73 of the 74 phrases have the comma after "you". (Not so with Strong's which is 74 out of 74).
Did you notice which verse is the sole deviant? Do you suppose this one exception is due to a "preferred religious view" of WT Corp?
"Let God be true and every man a Liar".
@@johnc.8298 LOL, LGBT! 😂✝️🌈
@@Perririri Huh? How is this even remotely connected to Jim's thread? Besides you're way behind "the [end] times". You're missing a whole slough of letters in today's lexicon of gratuitousness and little doubt more to come.
@@johnc.8298 The initials _L G B T_ can either mean "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender" or "Let God Be True"! It was a joke.
jesus in paradise is different from jesus' ascension into heaven.
Yes very true
Does that mean Heaven is something that surpasses that paradise? I'm sorry, I'm a little confused.
@@TikiFoamy38 yes paradise is a term used by as humans. Heaven is something greater than that.
Where or what is paradise?
"Heaven" simply means "sky"
A very good explanation, thanks for sharing.
Angels or bad spirits will never forgiven, Jesus died only for mankind
Didn't Jesus say to his apostles after his death i have not yet been with my father in heaven? Or does that mean he hasnt ascended up to his father?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Psalm:139:8
why doesn`t trinity mentioned in bible
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John:5:7
I thought Jesus went to get the people out of Paradise, a good place of the dead, and bring them to heaven. Because of his work they could now enter.
The sinners who died Before Christ were under the Law of Moses. Jesus's Blood finished the Law. His death was Greater, and those in hell were forgiven,
The Nicene Creed mentions that Yeshua was crucified, died, buried, raised on the third day and ascended to Heaven from where he shall come to judge the living and the dead. To keep it simple, only because different church denominations in Splinter groups have different beliefs when it comes to hell and heaven. Most would agree that's Yeshua did release those that were in limbo between Earth and Paradise. Some Churches do not believe we have an immortal or Eternal so and therefore none of these things have happened yet for people that have passed away.. so some Churches believe it when your body dies then you're just waiting asleep in the grave until the return and Resurrection. It's way too much to get into here but I think you're showing a difference between heaven and Paradise. Generally speaking paradise and heaven are the same within scripture and this means in the Old Testament or the New Testament.. I don't really remember anywhere in the Bible where there's a definite different meaning for paradise and heaven. People as a mentioned above the long to certain denominations or even certain religions, who happened to believe that when your body expires you don't have some Immortal, Eternal. So that's going to carry on. But if you happen to believe that you do have an immortal and eternals so, which I believe, then just recognize there's not any difference between paradise and heaven and they are synonymous and one word can be used interchangeably for the other!. I'm not a Bible scholar or anything like this but I do know a little bit. Where did you hear that paradise and heaven weren't the same? I honestly have never heard this in my life. That's not a jab at you it's just I've never heard anyone show distinction between heaven and Paradise and usually thought of as the same place. Only if you get a chance could you let me know because I love to learn what people have been told or where they got the information from and so on. So if you get a chance just hit me back and let me know if you had just always been told paradise and heaven or separate places or what because it's important to me when I have questions in reality or real life, and I want to be able to answer a question for myself but also I want to be able to recognize that this belief is amongst a certain group here and there. When I said that you're the first person that's ever said this to me in my short life, I didn't want you to take that as a jab or something like this towards you. We're all learning and that's why life is just a big school. I don't want you to read this and then think I am so he'll put you down or making you feel silly or stupid because it's pretty easy to do the same to me and I wouldn't do that to anyone on purpose. Again, if you can tell me where you first heard this difference between heaven and Paradise as if they're two different places could you please let me know because again oh, I just want to learn
@@nancymundy_77777 also wanted to ask you a question about your comment that said when she's has made his sacrifice on the cross and then of course the resurrection, that those people within hell were forgiven. It's not a trick question that I'm going to ask but I just like to learn and I always want to know what different denominations believe in certain things that I'm not familiar. You may have just always heard this about the souls in Hell being forgiven after the crucifixion or Resurrection. Is there anyway you can kinda tell me from where you first heard this? So I just wanted to see if you could tell me where you were taught this or what denominational church group top you this or where did you get this idea? I am not trying to argue or anything, but I am trying to understand where you heard this? Bro just trying to still learn and hopefully become better people so this is one reason why I ask questions. Is there a certain denomination that taught you or your parents these things or is it something that you just heard that you were growing up? Noticed I'm not saying I agree or disagree but I am asking where did you get this idea that people in hell were released after the crucifixion and I guess also you mean the resurrection. Problem is there are so many different Protestant denominations and Splinter groups that it's hard for me or anyone kind of keep up with what each denomination May teach or not teach. Once again don't think them coming after you or anything like that I'm just trying to learn as kind of a younger guy
@@nancymundy_77777 sorry but I wanted to just end my questioning with not only work did you hear certain things and from what denomination, but also I noticed that the person who originally spoke about paradise and heaven being separate is nothing I've heard before period but also about the people in hell were forgiven when the crucifixion took place. I never heard of either one of these things to be honest. I appreciate the fact that at least you are trying to follow the lord
of course, and then He 'led captivity captive and gave gifts to men..."
Well it does say in Luke 23:43 “Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
If you read Ephesians 4 literally the statement is 'He led captive captivity'. I think that's really what it means and translations have tried too hard to interpret this and ended up glossing it as a result. If Jesus died to conquer death then taking captive the very essence of our bondage seems quite consistent with Pauline teaching of the Gospel message.
As A Minister of the Gospel, two main things we notice about Scripture when we study them, the first is, there are text that are direct and simple, that mean what they say, clearly, without having to go deep, THEN, there are those things we see that require a strong connection with GOD, Spiritually, which is written like riddles and which the intended meaning evades us and is deliberately complex. There are also things that may seem ambiguous when you first read it and, thus, requires you to truly study all of the scriptures to put the pieces together in order to understand the true meaning of what is meant. So, if you find it difficult to accept what you read in the scriptures that is clearly stated and you find it difficult to accept it for what it clearly and deliberately says and means, you would have complicated the interpretation and made a complete mess of everything. ACCEPT IT FOR WHAT IT SAYS, THE LORD WENT DOWN INTO HELL to Preach THE GOSPEL, to set Souls Free, ALL of Them, the fact that HE had to PREACH, meant, the souls, although in HELL, still had to be convinced that HE IS WHOM HE SAYS HE IS, All the souls, All the way back to the Flood had been given an opportunity to accept THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE FATHER and be forgiven of their sins, funny thing is, even then, not all RECEIVED HIM, Whole Nations were still trying to get back to their former lives on earth and still wrestle with death, yearning and struggling to return to the, "Pleasure of The Flesh", that's how powerful Lust is.
Is the correct comma punctuation of Luke 23:43, "Truly I say to you, ..." or is it "Truly I say to you today," ... . There is a correct answer using the Bible alone.
Let's consult a listing of every instance in which the Scriptures records this phrase and see if there is a consistency we can appeal to for authority in this matter.
I consulted my Strong's concordance and counted a total of 74 entries of "Verily, verily, I say unto you". Now If you refer to the WT published "Comprehensive Concordance" (1973), you will notice that it too has a similar listing, "Truly I say to you," Observe it's column. Notice how all the commas line up and Jesus was consistent in his application of this phrase in the Watchtower concordance?
Oops, except one. 73 of the 74 phrases have the comma after "you".
Did you notice which verse is the sole deviant? Do you suppose this one exception is due to a "preferred religious view" of WT Corp?
"Let God be true and every man a Liar".
The passage doesn't say it that clearly, though. YOU said it clearly--not the text.
@@johnc.8298 For HE(THE LORD) is the final authority on HIS WORD, therefore we need not consult any documentation, but if we seek the true meaning of scripture, we only need to ask, Of HIM, the true meaning of what it is we seek clarification or the truth on, and let us earnestly and sincerely seek the truth to be whole and not for debate, and Amen, let everyman be a liar and GOD BE TRUE!
There is no repentance in The grave thats false teachings. NOAH was here preaching and they rejected christ and was punished in the flood.their soul is at rest waiting on judgement day
It is appointed to die once then the resurrection. There's no other chance
1 Peter 3:18-20, Yes Jesus preached unto the spirits in spiritual prison, as a spirit, before his own resurrection.
Exactly! It's quite self-explanatory. He went and taught people who had died who were then in spirit prison. they're in the place called spirit prison because their progression had been halted. That's what a prison does it stops you and limits you. Once people were resurrected at the time of Christ's resurrection things could improve for those people who were previously in prison.
@@dankuchar6821 Yeah, that's the popular misconception
@@dankuchar6821 but to those who were in disobedience in the time of Noah
No, this is referring to the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:11 says that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. So back to 1 Peter: He was raised in (by/through) the Holy Spirit, through Whom He also "preached to the spirits in prison, after they were disobedient long ago when God patiently waited in the days of Noah..." The temporal indicators in vs. 20 describe the time of the preaching. The spirits of the disobedient are now in prison, but the preaching occurred during the days of Noah, as Christ by the Spirit preached to the disobedient ancients through Noah. The NET Bible's footnote says, "Many translations take this as adjectival describing the spirits (“who had once been disobedient”; cf. NASB, NIV, NKJV, NLT, NRSV, TEV), but the grammatical construction strongly favors an adverbial interpretation describing the time of the preaching, as reflected above."
Thank you so much🙏🙏🙏 Southern Seminary
I am no theologian. As someone of middle eastern background, I can tell you that one may interpret “today” in a loose term. That is why tradition is so important. Even in our time, as a middle easterner, where Christ was born, 2 thousand years later, when someone mentions something done “today”, it means it will be done whether today or in the next few days but it will be done. As an example on how time is elastic in our Orthodox tradition, the Orthodox view the week after Pascha as one long day. We pray as Orthodox for the unity of the church.
why doesn`t trinity mentioned in bible
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 good question....it is derived from the writings.....and putting together a composit picture....
@@philipbuckley759. here we go the truth coming up,actually turah&bible were from god but they had been corrupted afterwards as a result god sent down quran upon prophet muhammed&god said i`ll preserved the quran thereby god had fulfilled ,let me show u friendly&honestly the truth,okee dokee.shedding the light on christianity to know the truth first of all there is no original bible the 4 main bible are contradicted to each other yet there is 1 quran but who is the writer of bible the answer is paul the jewish who hates jesus let us discuss about the significant event which is crucifixion why does your claimed god left his only son to crucify without any sin he had committed the disaster reached its uttermost when u found bible said on the tongue of jesus my god my god why do u forsaken me means jesus never crucified willingly have u an idea why do they crucify jesus because it`s a penalty of impure &particularly crucifixion because dindn`t touched the earth make it impured that what paul said jeasus get impure for us &see the authentic god what does said in quran chapter 3 verse 55 by the name of god the most gracious&most merciful ,
O Jesus, I will take you and raise you up to me, and had purified you from those who disbelieve, and He will place those who follow you above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection, then to Me is your return, so I will judge between you regarding that in which you differed,the authentic god rose jesus to the sky before they kill him in addition he had purified him from a false accusation that he is impure the quran verse is comply with the bible itself :So they lifted up stones to stone him. But Jesus did and went out of the temple, passing through them." ( John 8:59 ),let alone of many verses in the bible incites to violence thus u found the largest massacres had happened in history the ww1&2 christian countries against christian countries 100 millions had been killed not to mention the sex stories in the bible nay u never found a single sex word in quran,don`t take it in personal just i clarify u the plain truth,bible said woman when she during the menstruation she gets impure &any thing she would touched it will be impure &should stay at her room till had done of it don`t see that an insulting to woman &how does the claimed god in bible said so he demeans& underrates his own creatures, yet islam honored the woman &she has a complete chapter its name women show us her rights,let us look at modern medicine which refutes the bible, ovulalation happens every 28 days from overy next month from other ovary when fertilization fails to happen mestrual bleading happens it always stops when a female gets pregnant ,menstrual cycle ovulation the female genital system consists of one uterus to overuse vagine& externat genital organs ,,the blood during menstruation could cause diseases to spread and that’s why a woman during her menstruation needed to isolate so the blood would not be passed around to other people And diseases not be spread that`s what god said in quran and they ask you about menstruation say, isolate women don't come near them untill they get purified verse 222 chapter 2,why there are priests,pastors&nuns reverted daily to islam,yet u never a muslim clergy left islam as per western media said that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world,i didn`t like to push islam onto u god said no compulsion in religion verse 256 chapter 2,figure it out then make up your mind...........................................................................''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''.............................................................,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[..........................
5:49 if u did anything wrong today, you will still be save as long as you ask for forgiveness and believe that He is God that loves us so much. ❤️
Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God.
@@JudeOne3Four
John 20:26-29
26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be with you."
27 Then He *said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing."
28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Jesus *said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
@@JudeOne3Four
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ
@@mr.3pic324 Do you also know the context of those verses you posted or read the next chapter? I bet not. Jesus is the Greatest Teacher *ever.* Thomas confessed EXACTLY what Jesus had taught him. In the CONTEXT of *seeing and believing.* Jesus NEVER taught that He was the Father, HE always taught He was the Son of GOD (John 10:36). He always taught that the Father was *IN* Him and He *IN* the Father. (John 14:11,20)
John 20:24 Now *Thomas (also known as Didymus),* one of the Twelve, WAS NOT with the disciples *when Jesus came.* 25 So *the other disciples* TOLD HIM, We have SEEN *the Lord!*
The other disciples have SEEN the Lord and not, they have seen God. They have seen their KING/LORD. God is a Spirit and Thomas saw his God IN his Messiah, the works Jesus did where the EVIDENCE that God was IN Christ. John 14:10 *Don’t you believe* that I am IN the Father, and that the Father is IN me? THE WORDS I say to you I DO NOT *speak on* MY OWN *authority.* RATHER, *it is the Father,* LIVING IN ME, *who is* DOING HIS WORK. 11 *Believe me* when I say that I am IN the Father and the Father is IN me; *or* AT LEAST *BELIEVE* ON *THE EVIDENCE* OF THE WORKS THEMSELVES.
John 21:1 After these things Jesus *shewed himself again* to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise *shewed he himself.* 2 There were together Simon Peter, and *THOMAS called Didymus,* and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, *and two other of his disciples.* 12 Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And NONE *of the disciples* durst ask him, Who art thou? KNOWING that *it was* THE LORD. 14 This is now *the third time* that Jesus shewed HIMSELF *to his disciples,* AFTER that he was *risen* from THE DEAD. 19 *This* spake HE, *signifying* by what death *HE* SHOULD GLORIFY *GOD.* And when HE had spoken this, HE saith unto him, Follow me.
There goes your Thomas fantasy. When i say Trinitarians are a bunch of deceived Bible Agnostics i do not exaggerate. I am being polite.
@@mr.3pic324 Peter starts his second letter with: 2 Peter 1;1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness OF GOD *and* our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge OF GOD, *and* OF Jesus our Lord. 10 But THE GOD of all grace, *who hath called us* unto HIS eternal glory BY Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To HIM be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
See the distinction? It is allover the NT but people do not read and have a handicap in basic kindergarten grammar because of a heresy. 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be *the God* AND Father OF our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to *his abundant mercy* hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ *from the dead*
Jesus is called Lord and not God. Jesus is the Exalted King of Israel and that's why He gets worshipped. Just like the kings in the OT who ruled over Israel on the behalf of God on the Throne.
2 Thess 2:16 Now *our Lord* Jesus Christ HIMSELF *AND* GOD even *our Father,* which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace
The Trinity is not a mystery but a conspiracy against God and His Anointed.
First off, the word we know of as “hell” has been used throughout the Bible where multiple Hebrew and Greek words were used. It was as if the word hell was translated from all these different words. The word hell has been completely misunderstood and wrongly translated. 2nd, the original bible language did not use punctuation and the comma was added to the scripture where Jesus said to the thief that today you would be with me in paradise. As far as we know Jesus could have been just telling him on that day that he would be with Jesus in paradise. I could say to my child “I’m telling you today that if you don’t do your chores then you’re going to be grounded”. Does that mean that only applies to “today”. No, I am just telling him today. Since, translators added the comma, we don’t know for certain that it was placed in the correct spot. That scripture is the only scripture that states you will be in paradise on that day.
A literal burning hell 🔥. It's not figuratively.
J. G. The word hell is not interpreted correctly. Tell me in the Bible where it says hell is literally burning. There is a lake of fire if that is what you’re referring too. However, Revelations says that death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. So, I guess it’s stating that a literal fire will be cast into a lake of fire?? Think about it.
@@donshort6651 So, you're debunking literal scripture because you don't believe one fire can be thrown into another fire? Not a very strong argument against the existence of fire my friend. And it's a dangerous case against hell itself, especially in light of the numerous scriptures that quite literally describe hell as fire (check out Matt.25:41, Luke 16:24, Mark 9:43-47, Matt.25:46, Rev. 14:11, etc)
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This is an interesting interpretation here. What you have to respect with this guy is that he states "tradition says...." but then he says "but I disagree" which seems to imply that this man values others opinions but has his own theory, good deal, I like that.
One thing that I noticed was interesting with this that always catches my eye is when a reference is provided. This is synonymous with what I call "Traditional Christianity". In my experience in religious conversations with individuals is the constant need for "well, where does it say that!?" I've had conversations with several pastors and ministers that are VERY much the same and respond in a similar manner, the sheep with follow their shepherd or as a man seeith another do, so does he also kind of thing. That's how traditional Christians think and respond. However, there are other denominations out there where their members simply like to have a conversation to learn more and it's just that, a conversation of theology were two people simply learn each other's personal views, rather than an argument and those are the most meaningful arguments.
What I can honestly tell you, about me, is that the Christian world is deathly afraid of me, I'll own up to it and state it right off the bat. Pastors and Priests fear me. When I sit in the room with their family as their father readies himself to thrash me in front of them, he feels he has to prove himself to his family, all well dressed and living in a VERY nice house while I'm, let's just say much simpler in appearance, but Christians fear me. I'm not an atheist, I'm not a Satanist, depending on who you ask, some people actually have asked me if I have horns, but people generally fear me immensely when I walk in the room, just to get that out of the way...
But to my original point into a broader view, I always find it interesting with that reference as below the reference is what? The version of the Bible that individual chooses to sustain their point with. It's believed that all Bibles are the same and that a newer edition was developed in order to make it plainer English to the reader. I've collected several of these as any individual I come across that reads from a different version I seem to never have an issue being impolite and asking them for their book, which they always are willing to give me, but it's for a good cause. What I've come to learn, is that with every version of a Bible, comes another, let's call it a branch, of Christianity where everyone tells me, I'm a Christian and I read from the Bible. Cool! But why are Christians all not united then? There's so many different Christian churches (or denominations) and they don't agree because they have a different version.... Of the same Bible? I've met more Non-denominationals over several years and I hear the same response. "Im Non-denominational, I don't belong to any church, I meet with a group and we just study from the Bible, what the Bible says." Does that sound any different that any other Christians response when someone asks them? It's a denomination, I group of people that meet together with a Bible chosen by the one brave enough to head at the front of the group to share how they interpret the Bible and those in his congregation no matter how big or small share the same opinion, that differs from others, so how is it that Christianity casts out or accuses those that claim to be Christian as devils that aren't Christian because they interpret the Bible differently than others? Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians, Adventists, Lutherans, Evangelicals, etc. have a difficult time accepting others as part of their brotherhood? I've learned in my conversations with so many people in theological conversation, that different versions of the Bible, I'll say translations, don't just remove the thee, thy, and thou's, but I've learned literally change the meaning of the whole verse. Thus, I have no issue in accepting anyone that claims to have a belief, and faith in, and taught of Jesus Christ to be a Christian in the fellowship and that God our Heavenly Father isn't going to ban or withhold blessings of ANYONE trying to understand his word, regardless of denomination, even with the struggle of Jehovah's Witnesses. They have their right to interpret the Bible just as any other does, based on the dictates of their own conscience because "God is no respecter of persons," right?
That being said, I find this view interesting and intriguing and an interesting theory or viewpoint on the subject. In a weird sort of a way, I believe it much the same as he does. But with some variation, if I may. I don't think I can put it so eloquently as he did but, hey, why not. And if you're still with me and reading this, you may not mind reading a little further, remember though, people fear me.
If I'm going to read and give my views from the Bible, I like to use the whole thing. I believe the Old Testament had value in the days of Moses and Isaiah and equally as much in the time of Jesus when the law of Moses was then fulfilled. Jesus simply expanded on what was already taught to and given to the people at that time by Jesus as was directed him by his father. I'm going to go ahead and agree with Jehovah's Witnesses that Jehovah spoke to Moses and directed him to do so as directed him by his father. Jesus is the mortal name by which we know and comprehend him and his earthly mission by his title "The Christ". Jesus simply expanded on the original 10 Commandments because he felt people could finally understand and abide by more expanded upon commandments the Jews weren't able to handle because they were so thick headed, so Jesus said, in essence, I've asked you not to physically carry out actions, but now I'm holding you to a higher accountability and standard by telling you not so much as to even think about it and additionally, the procreative power my father has entrusted you worth to being his children into this world and to live this life isn't something to just be tampered with because if your reptilian brain, you're to become a master over the body to appease the spirit, therefore, you won't engage in sexual activity with anyone unless legally and lawfully married. At that moment it is sanctioned by me and by my father as you're doing that now under the direction of and for my father for the benefit of his children. Men, you're to keep clean thoughts, it's expected of you and you'll be held accountable. Women, will you let vanity overtake and own you? Women, you're to understand the power and influence of the body I've given you that you'll want to use over man, I'm asking you to refrain to assist man to aid him in his goals and commandments I've given him to keep clean thoughts. Jesus simply added more, he didn't say: forget the original ten, he said I'm adding to that.
So, I like to reference the Old Testament as it's still relevant and, after all, if it was useless after Jesus was born and began his ministry, then why was Isaiah shown the end of times and commanded to write about it right?
Now, what I'm going to do, is out it on you to find my references, we live in the age of Google that keywords can direct us to where we want to go, but I'd warn you, no two Bibles word it the same way BUT! I promise you it's "In the Bible" as the heads of your congregation have told you that's what you're looking for right? With a strict adhedance too, correct? Awesome, so here we go and I'll blend it in with what this gentleman has so wonderfully worded.
I wish he also commented on Peter preaching about the crucified Jesus "Thou will not leave His soul in hell"(Acts2:27) and the resurrected Jesus telling Mary "I have not yet ascended to my Father:(John 20:17).
For anyone coming across this, I'd like to recommend Sam Renihan's new book, "Crux, Mors, Inferi" as a positive exposition of the traditional view. All of Dr. Ware's criticisms are easily answerable with scripture or a little bit of context.
Thank you, just bought it!
Blessings
all of this confusion, over a miss translation of a text....
When in the garden after Jesus was raised, John 20:7 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not ascended to my father:" said Jesus. You are saying Jesus died, went to heaven, and after three days and three nights there He returned to earth to see Mary Magdalene just to tell her not to touch Him because He had to go right back to heaven and present Himself to God? That makes no sense. Then consider Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Said Jesus Christ. He surely knew his fate and He doesn't lie! These quotes are from the KJV, dump the nasb "Bible" and their adding words to redirect the meanings of what Jesus Himself said! I'm not a preacher, just an avid reader of the Word of God.
Paradise is used for Abraham's bosom and in other places heaven. The word translated "hell" is not the same word throughout the Bible. Anywhere the risen Jesus is or that God is will always be Paradise! Before the resurrection all righteous went to Paradise and unsaved went to hell. At the end hell will be cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:13 "... death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them..." Revelation 20:14 "... This is the second death."
I know right
because if his followers discovered the compete truth and connected with Jesus directly it would effect the money he has coming in. kind of like a tv show with no happy ending to keep people paying to watch.
Didn't he say after he was resurrected that he didn't ascend yet(John 20:17)? I also don't believe he was in hell but this does give me some problems.
I love this discussion. My take on it is that Paradise is outside of linear time while hell is not. From the perspective of the thief who was promised Paradise it would seem for him the same day because time stops for him when he dies as he enters the realm of eternity where linear time would be considered an old fashioned concept.
I’m speculating that from our perspective Jesus could’ve spent 3 days in hell though I’m not quite sure how that translates to eternity time. I mean, try to wrap your brain around what is three days within eternity.
Maybe after telling the one thief he’d see him in Paradise, he then turned to the other thief and said “see you in hell.”
The actual interpretation of that is, I say unto you today, you will be with me in Paradise. How could he have been in Paradise with Him, when Jesus had not yet ascended to His Father when He spoke to Mary at the tomb???
@@pamhankins3468 The answer to that question is simple: heaven is not the same as paradise. Paradise in this case is the same as Abraham’s Bosom. It’s a waiting place for the dead.
@@MikeMillington where is that in the Bible? The story of Lazarus is a parable.
@@pamhankins3468 Is it just a parable? It is different from all the rest in that it refers to an actual person the listeners knew, Lazarus. The audience must also have been familiar with the term “Abraham’s Bosom” or the story would be meaningless to the listeners.
It is my belief that since Jesus had not yet “prepared a place” in heaven, coupled with Paul’s “absent from the body, present with the Lord” statement, that Abraham’s Bosom is a holding place, as it were, before Judgement Day.
@@MikeMillington
Abraham's bosom is a reference to seating arrangement, they would recline while they ate and this bosom position signified trust and favor, it would be close enough to share private thoughts. So it was typically occupied by a close friend. The implication is clear then that the bosom position of Abraham is a favored place, an honored position, a representation of having God's favor. This would be immediately and easily understood by Jesus listeners who ate this way commonly and of course knew who Abraham was and his relationship with God.
Moreover if we look at Jesus own words we see that no one has ascended to heaven at that time so it would not be possible for Abraham to be there or to sit in a literal favored position with him.
John 3:13
"Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man"
"Decended into hell" .. it's only in the ROMAN CATHOLIC Apolstles' Creed. The original, ORTHODOX Apostle's Creed does not have that phrase.
The MemoryHole true
The Catholic creed is the original
@@psallen5099 Idiot. Orthodox predates Catholic. Get a clue about historical facts.
It’s against Christ’s teachings to call people names.
@@psallen5099 ok. Sorry dude. Idiot was a little harsh. Better now?
How does this man who knows so much about the Bible not know the location of paradise. Sir what did Jesus say.
Sheol is divided in two parts. Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) and
the place of suffering. Read this Luke 16:19-31. Jesus went down to Sheol 1 Peter 3:18-22 then after the third day resurrected then ascended into heaven. Short but I hope this makes sense.
You're correct
I wonder sometimes if we don’t fully comprehend the way certain word are used. And I get the impression that some interpretations that we tend to have may not be quite true to the original context or meaning. For instance heaven and hell we think of in terms of ascension in a physical direction or descent down into a separate place, and yet we have descriptions as there being a kind of proximity or even overlap between the two: did not satan come to sin while in heaven and the story of the rich man and Lazarus?
I don’t think he went anywhere. Death is a Time Machine. Just like in “Back to the Future” when Doc sent the DeLorean and the dog Einstein to himself and Marty one minute into the future. The DeLorean skipped over that minute to meet him and Marty one minute in the future. the trip was instantaneous for Einstein but for Doc and Marty 1 min had past. I believe that in between his death after crucifixion and his resurrection there was no period of time. He closed his eyes after the crucifixion and instantaneously skipped over three days time to open his eyes in the reservation. I could be wrong. But that’s what makes the most sense to me. Death is a time machine. Lazarus closed his eyes in death then he instantaneously skipped over the few days he was dead when Jesus raised him from the grave.
The thief on the cross closed his eyes in death then, he will instantaneously skip over all the time he’s been dead to open his eyes in the resurrection.
That would make sense. The phrase "He descended into hell" and the later "He descended into death" puzzle me. The latter is what my church recites. I never thought much of it until I learned of the former phrase. Descending into Hell makes sense at first. In order to pay for our sins He would have to suffer for it. Hell is the place for suffering and paying for your sins, right? And wasnt Jesus paying for our sins when he took them upon himself? So at face value it sounds right that he paid for our sins as if he committed them. But I remember a little old sentence uttered by our Savior... "It is finished." He did not die, go to hell, and come back to the living and then say that it was finished. No, he said it was finished when he was suffering on the cross. It's not like Jesus was an idiot and didnt know when his suffering would be over. He knew the price. It was necessary for him to suffer on Earth rather than in Hell. There would be no account of his crucifixion, death, and resurrection if his payment would only need to take place in hell. It needed to be public. In hell, suffering occurs in the dark with no one there to listen or empathize with your pain. Then there is the time traveling theory. Think of "Judgment Day." Is it one day for us all to be judged one by one? Or is there a Judgment Day for every person when they individually die? Regardless, assuming it is the first one, you would be judged before you entered your place of eternal residence. I think it may be viable to guess that when a person dies they travel through time to the Judgment day and recieve their judgment so on and so forth. This happens in "Eternal Time" while in our mortal time the perished person is merely in between. Your soul may be in 2 different timelines. 1 for your present mortal body, and another for your eternity. Right now you are either burning while the demons sing, or tossing a ball with Moses, in your eternal timeline, that is. But for the present you are just on Earth. That may make sense for those people that claim to have witnessed heaven or hell. They could have traveled through Eternal Time and seen the future, but not necessarily the present. That sparks the question, "is my loved one in heaven right now?". According to eternity, (depending on the choices of the person) yes. According to our mortal clock, they are merely sleeping. On the day of the Rapture it is said that the dead shall rise from their graves and ascend to heaven, but why would they do that if they were already in heaven? Unless, they weren't actually in heaven yet.
Thank you for sharing 🕊 Maybe its both, just like the scriptures say.. Jesus collects the prisoners from hell and ascends into paradise on the same day.. 🕊
It's neither.
Someone seen him in the garden around the tomb I the think it was Mary and she didn't recognize him spirit form and it scared her like ghost if ascended as soon as he died why was he there ? I'm very confused on this 😇
The comma was misplaced. It was meant to go after the word today not before it. Jesus said many times after his resurrection I have not yet ascended to my father. It is also mentioned several times that we sleep in the grave until the second coming of Jesus.