All WB/DC saw were the $$$ over at Marvel Studios. Gotta chase that dollar.... WB's been chasing that cash cow since their mega-franchises of Batman, Neo, and Harry Potter ended their runs.
I thought that Suicide Squad's trailer was an embarrassing attempt by Warner Bros. to copy the Guardians of the Galaxy's tone and was immediately uninterested in the movie. It is pretty baffling that they would have Ayer, a man who wrote and directed a really brutal and ugly war movie that worked, write and direct this film while trying to inject levity. Fury made me feel terrible at times. He obviously knows how to do gritty well.
I think this seems to be a running joke that started with how poorly Sony handled The Amazing Spider-Man, and later Fox with Fantastic Four. We are all aware that Suicide Squad isn't a Marvel property.
Speaking of Ghost Busters I just saw it tonight with a free movie ticket (No way I was going to pay SONY for that). If I could describe the GB Movie in one word it would be "Middling".
the new GB was cringe inducing. it does to the franchise what Michael Bay has done to Transformers...turned it into a cheap side show for all the Twizzler suckers out there. that that movie landed a fresh rating on RT is evidence to me of one of two things: either RT is a pay-to-win scam...or it is fueled by morons.
Final act was Fant4stic levels of bad. Though, this atleast was more fun than that film. Sloppy mess overall. Very disappointed. I was sure this would be the DCEU first real win.
Same. I hoped SS would be the big win DC needed to get on the map. As much as I love Marvel they need competition cause if complacency breeds stagnation. Worst thing that could happen is DC tanking the superhero movie genre again with another Batman & Robin-level film.
I know you guys mainly do production history for movies, but I was wondering if you would do an episode looking at the production history of the TV series Arrow, I'm really curious as to how the series crashed so badly from season 2.
FWIU, the production quality dropped when the writers split off during the creation and establishment of The Flash in 2014 leaving the Arrow writers with a complete outline of Season 3 and a brief for Season 4, which was modified heavily by the new crew of writers. As writing further split during the creation of Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow, Guggenheim took the reins that Kreisberg left as he moved EP'ing LoT/Supergirl. Due to the nature of co-filming 4 series, a lot of production is borrowed /co-produced. This also means that Season 5 Arrow is completely off-book from the original plot and writing direction, even more so than Season 4. This also extends to fight choreography and production resources which were moved to the better performing Flash series, and later LoT/Supergirl. Season 4 is often referred to as Felicity and Friends, or Olicity, which was developed in Season 3 as a counterweight to the character's relationship change, and perhaps meddling from Berlanti to increase the "Olicity" focus in Season 4. In general, Season 4 changes character writing to an enormous extent, and reduces fight choreography to drama scenes, for a show that's ostensibly ... a vigilante that shoots arrows is reduced to a handful of episodes in the season. Women in the series are now attached to characters romantically for reasons that weren't present in Season 3, the villain is disconnected from the plot. and the death of a main character is used for tension, culminating in a poorly made fist fight at the end of the series, and a nuclear explosion that has likely no repercussions. In general, the underwhelming plot of Season 4 likely has more to do with the expansion of female writers under Guggenheim and showrunner Berlanti, who often tries to cater to the network. Without input from the writers into what resources went where, it's hard to pin down a catalyst other than Guggenheim, who is at the helm of Arrow.
I went to see Suicide Squad yesterday and the reviews are completely justified. It's a more entertaining film than BvS but the story is a mess, the editing is horrible, and some of the dialog was cringey. I liked Harley but some of her jokes fell flat. Mainstream critics are generally not comics fans and that probably contributes to the low score as some of the interactions, especially between Joker and Harley, make no sense unless you already know those characters and understand their history.
Honestly even knowing their history doesn't help. In the comics and animated series their relationship is consistently portrayed as abusive. Joker doesn't give a shit about Harley but she still keeps coming back to him because of his manipulation. Suicide Squad made it actual lovey dovey shit instead. making this version of the Joker so far removed from the actual Joker that it just isn't the Joker at all.
Danny Malzahn Oh, I read it. I just disagree. Deadpool had a mildly weak story but still better than Suicide Squad. GotG had a somewhat strong story and good characters. In both cases, the stories were at least clear and correctly structured. Fanboys gotta learn that story needs to come first.
it really was. also comic con footage of justice league ruined the post credit scene with batman. they really tried to go for that iron man post credit scene and it just didnt work
Yeah, it wasn't good. I actually gave the movie a chance this morning and went to the first screening, and boy did I leave sour. Not as sour as I did with BVS, but still pretty ticked. I fully expected this to be the DC movie of the year, the one that would kick the DCEU off right, but with lackluster characters that had no chemistry, weak action sequences, and a villain so weak it put Ronan to shame, it just left me with very little. I did enjoy the little bit of Batman we got though and Harley, while not exactly how I imagined her, was pretty fun to watch, but that's really about it.
Me and my wife saw it today and we did not like it at all... It was boring, there was not time to get to know the characters hardly at all, they were out matched by the villain but still won and they promised so much Batman in this movie and you literally see him a total of about 3 minutes (Including the end credit)... All those who gave this a rave review jsut to get views or got paid to do it... SHAME ON YOU....
I actually enjoyed it more than Civil War...maybe because I am already familiar with the characters and did not need the movie to go into detail about them, I never experienced this problem that you did.
+~Poppin' Cherries~ David Ayer himself said we would get to see a more "vicious" Batman from the criminal perspective in combat....which we didn't get at all.
I really liked the film. It's not perfect, but it's still a lot of fun. And while I don't believe that the critics are being paid by Marvel I do believe they seem to have a natural aversion towards DC. This movie does not deserve the hate just like how Ghostbusters did not deserve the praise. After those two films I really have trust issues with critics.
I feel like people are just hating on Ghostbuster just because is the trend right now. The movie didn't make that much so it's not like everyone has gone to see it already. I don't want to see it because I'm not interested in seeing it, but I don't just assume it's bad
Mario Orta I didn't just _assume_ it's bad. I watched it. And it was a monumental piece of shit. Why do you think no one has watched it? Because word of mouth has spread, that's why.
Dreadjaws yeah, but the film has been trashed by basically everyone and I just feel that people are just hating on it because everyone else does. People like you who have actually seen it have all the right in the world to bash it and say that it sucks, but everyone else should just not watch it if they please, but also don't be sheep and say that is bad when is not their opinion but someone else's.
Mario Orta For every person who bash it because of a trend there's people who praise it for the same reason. Look at the positive reviews and you'll see the same lack of objectivity that there are in the negative ones.
Dreadjaws the positive reviews just state opinions for the most part, so I wouldn't want to say that they are being biases since I haven't watched it myself. Although there's this Roxana Hadadi bitch who is using the misogynist card and is being totally biased. There are people who are going to be like that but I doubt that everyone is being bias. Heck, some of the critics I trust from UA-cam like NC or Stuckmann say that is just meh, not good but not really abysmally bad. So of course they are going to be people that are biased like women that would be over praising it, but I believe that there are also people just giving their honest opinion.
I think the comparisons to Fant4stic is more about the studio meddling. Even the people that hate this movie aren't saying it's worse than Trank's nightmare (that critic quote looks more like he said it to get clicks/attention -- wouldn't be surprised if he never saw Fant4stic either). I mean, less than zero is hard to do. Some members of the SS had team chemistry and they established a villain.... well, at least she wasn't a crash test dummy right? =)
We all know Batman V Superman's critical reception was a wake-up call to WB. Will Suicide Squad will be even a bigger wake-up call? As a fan of DC, I'm a little worried Wonderman and Justice league next year.
The issue is that they got a wakeup call, but no clear direction of how to fix their issues. The same thing happened after Man of Steel, so I don't know what they'll do now.
Not quite, I mean, I now the percentage in RT for GB says 73 percent but the actual average grade for the movie was just a six (not that far from Suicide Squad´s five point four) and most of the reviews called it just an average if not somewhat mediocre movie.
There was also a heavy cloud of fear over professional backlash that probably kept most reviewers from giving it less than a six, so they tagged it the bare minimum.
+MatthewTreadstone No evidence of that ever being a thing. As usual, the simplest answer is the most likely. Maybe they just liked the movie as opposed to some "environment of fear" conspiracy.
MrHPfan4ever Yes and no, I mean, sure, some critics oughta have liked it, but a lot of times it seemed like they were being careful as to not be labeled as mysoginists, I mean, even some female critics started calling them out on it and demanded that they spoke their mind.
DC needs to stop trying be marvel or to catch up to marvel in one moive. They won't do it. they are 2 different brands and loved for different reasons. just focus on your movies and brand.
Yeah, DC does need to do their own thing. Even though they are comic books, they are a bit different than marvel. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are Legends, mythic heroes, while I have always viewed Marvel as more common man and the smaller details of life.
They also try to go completely one way or the other with doing things Marvel did successfully when trying to fix audience complaints. Like trying to make it jokey after complaining about it being drab and/or unfun instead of looking at why Marvel is so successful with that by making it only as serious as costumed heroes can be and let any humor or levity come casually from the moment.
I agree. Marvel didn't just come out with The Avengers, they meticulously unveiled it. Iron Man, Captain America, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, all of these were successful in their own right. Then they brought those elements together for an even bigger and successful movie. Then they did it again, with sequels to those films, successful additions to the universe (Ant-Man, GOTG) and a sequel to The Avengers. And there's more to come!? Marvel is kicking ass, but it's mainly because the planning was... "uncanny". (Shameless Marvel joke:) DC is fucking up because they're looking for one movie to achieve the same success as The Avengers, it can't be done. What they should've done was gave Harley and Joker they're own movie (or it could've been a Joker movie with Harley in it) But, it would've been a chance to connect with her character and explore her background with Joker. Do the same for Deadshot, Batman (Obviously), The Flash (in connection with Captain Boomerang) These characters are well deserving of their own movies, and the movies would handle character development. Then put 'em all together in a movie like Suicide Squad. That IS the recipe and Marvel is following it Marvelously.
+Wayne Bevans people forget how many time people said marvel was done or finshed. when iron man 2 cam out. ect. but they didn't have all compitition like DC has. The market is over saturated with super hero movie that all have the same plot. People are getting sick of it no matter how well made or cool the fight are.
I agree. Although, I'm not tired of Superhero/ Supervillain movies or series (Daredevil on Netflix is fucking awesome!) I'm growing tired of the super-being-wants-to-rule/destroy-the-world cliché. It's sooooooo boring. Come up with something different please.
Sorry. Sorry. Man Of Steel didn't "underperform" and Batman V Superman made $872 million dollars, which isn't "far short of a billion" by any stretch of the imagination.
WB had hoped MoS to gross closer to 1 billion dollars (remember that Iron Man 3 was released the same year) and since the Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises both topped 1 billion, you'd think that a film featuring the DC holy trinity would easily top that.
Well to play Devil's Advocate here, I think the only reason The Dark Knight made as much money as it did was because of the death of Heath Ledger, and Rises made the money it made because it was going off the hype of the last movie. None of them really had anything to do with Batman himself. What WB/DC have to focus on is making sure the product is of good quality rather than just rely on what popular character is in the product in order for it to sell, which was BvS's ultimate downfall. It seems like with Suicide Squad they're learning since I hear the Joker is barely in the movie. You would think that since he's popular they would put more focus on him.
Midnight's Edge: I apologize for this rant. An open letter to hardcore DC fanboys and others who feel that Marvel is ruining movies for some reason. I love everything Marvel does. And I'm sick these stupid debates about Marvel ruining everything about movies. If a studio is putting out craptastic movies, then it the studios fault. Look at DC. They want to create a cinematic universe similar to Marvel's but they just don't know what the hell they are doing. They slap their movies together as fast as they can and then put out a product that sucks. Say what you want about Marvel, but I love their movies and not just because I'm some sort of Marvel fanboy or something. It's because Marvel puts out fun, exciting and easy to enjoy movies which is what I think superhero movies should be. And what is this dumbass argument about Marvel films all being the same? That just a lame cop out. All Marvel films are not the same and they are not formulaic as people who want to tear down Marvel would have you believe. Sure they are humorous a lot of the time but what the hell is wrong with that? Compare that to DC who I call the "McDonald's" of superhero movie making. DC's formula for making superhero movies is similar to "McDonalds" approach to hamburger making. Make these glorious advertisements showing you a quarter-pounder fresh and hot off the grill in order to get you excited about the sandwich and get you to go to the restaurant to buy the sandwich. But when you get there and see the sandwich in person, it looks nothing like it did in the commercial. That what DC does. Trailers that get you excited about a movie in order to get you to go that opening week and disappointing you with the actual movie. Here's the list: MOS, BvS and now Suicide Squad. How is that Marvel's fault? David Ayers, director of Suicide Squad, was given six weeks write the script for Suicide Squad. Six weeks! Just so DC/ WB could meet some stupid deadline. I'm surprised the movie wasn't worse. Guess that's Marvel's fault too? BvS is even more atrocious and Zack "SUCKER PUNCH" Snyder had three years to work on that movie. DC fanboys are ruining the DCEU by not insisting upon quality and supporting DC no matter what. This has to stop if the DCEU is going to improve it's track record. And that goes for Sony and Fox with the exception of Deadpool which was excellent.
The reason people are saying Marvel is ruining film is because just about every major franchise trying to come into existence currently is trying to copy what Marvel has. The problem is none of these people are taking the time to actually build an expanded universe. Remember Sony and it's attempt at it with Spider-Man? That failed because aside from trying to appeal to a wider audience, (tweens) they were trying to plant seeds of things to come at the expense of the story Marc Webb was trying to tell. I distinctly remember someone online said (I won't name him) that because of Marvel inter connective approach it was causing film to revert to the serial style of the past. And then said it would cause film making to crumble because film can't go back to a old ways. Except serials were like a film but made like TV shows and if you wanted to see what happens next you have to come back for the next part. Marvel's films are full stories with things here and there for the next film and others, but on their own they're complete stories that don't force you to go back. You can just see what hero you want to follow and ignore the others at your leisure. Again Marvel is not ruining film, it's everyone else trying to follow their example, and failing at it.
MegatonDestron: Agreed. Studios need to take responsibility for their own failures and stop trying to say Marvel is the cause of their downfall. Take the time and effort it takes to make good movies and the money and success will come. The sad part about DC is their job is so simple. MAKE GOOD MOVIES. Because they've already got people who want to like their movies and want DC to do well and that includes myself so all DC has to do is take the time to make their movies good. But that's not going to happen as long as Zack Snyder is allowed to continue to shit all over the DCEU. DC/WB's first and probably most important move is to get rid of Zack "SUCKER PUNCH" Snyder! Also the DC/WB studio itself needs to keep it's nose out of the movie making process and let the directors, except for Zack Snyder, do their jobs.
RVL480 Van WB is the problem in this instance, they've always been the problem. Tim Burton was still a developing director who rose fast due making hits like Beetle-juice early in his career. That gave execs reason to give him, Batman 89. Now apparently he was limited in what he wanted to do for that film. Also he was limited while doing Batman Returns, which I can't see considering everything in that movie. Now I'm sure many know the reason he was taken of director duty for Forever was the backlash parents gave about it being "too dark." I wouldn't say dark but directionless, incoherent, and violence and sexual innuendo being cranked up for no good reason. So Burton stops directing but is made a producer. And who do they get to direct Forever? Joel Schoumcer, who was an actual fan of the character and his world, (Burton has said he's never read a comic in his life) and who has much experience in film. We all know how his tenure on the Batman series pan out but the thing here is the studio MADE Schumcher direct the films the way they wanted because they didn't want to lose their toy contracts. True Schumacer was a fan of the 66's series (as am I) when is was over he advise they return to a a more mature place for the films to follow. I could go into detail about Singer but this is the example I think of the most. WB could care less about DC and only cares about brand. Even so that's no excuse for making a poor product. If they want this series to survive and thrive, they need to a at least the illusion of a damn and put the people who care where they should be and the ones that don't out.
MegatonDestron: Agree 100%. I used to blame Shumacher for the downfall of Batman but then I took a look at his track record as a director and found out that he had directed some of my favorite movies like Phone Booth, Lost Boys...etc. So he obviously was a good director and probably could have maybe even improved on the Batman series if he had been given more control of the project and not been forced to make Batman and Robin into a full blown advertisement for toys. So based on the evidence, it looks like WB/DC need to do do two things in order to get the DCEU on track. 1. Fire Zack Snyder and 2. Quit meddling in the movie making process.
I hate to admit this but Suicide Squad deserves the critical lashing, unlike BvS which I thoroughly enjoyed, SS is bogged down by horrible pacing issues, radical tonal shifts and a dumb end of the world scenario which has been done to death. No one is more heartbroken than I, but I can't make any excuses for this mess.
I'm eager to see if Suicide Squad gets a director's cut. If Warner Bros. still cares at all about being considered a "filmmaker-friendly studio," which they haven't acted like thus far in their DCEU production, that is the least they could do.
How did Man of Steel underperform at the box-office? It made more than any of the Marvel's Phase One films. With the exception of The Avengers of course.
Hank Pym Not enough for WB studios. When they set out with a production like this they have certain expectations. They want to have new billion dollar franchises now that the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings/Hobbit films have finished.
TOP 5 WB Comic Book Movie check list: 1. Muted colors. Check. 2. Heroes looking like they're mourning and hopelessly depressed. Check. 3. Lofty but useless exposition with no payoff. Check. 4. HUMORLESS and questionable motives that blur the line between hero and villain to make the character relate-able. Check. 5. Plot riddled with plot holes with a destruction filled orgy type climax that mimics a Michael Bay movie. Check.
I completely agree. I want to know what professional critics have stuck up their asses. Suicide Squad certainly wasn't a _great_ movie, per se, but it was entertaining. It had its problems and was lacking something in the way of substance, but, at the very least, I wasn't bored while watching it. Definitely worth seeing at least once.
+Waspinator1998 Because the critics have a natural aversion to DC. I can't blame them. Most of the DCEU's films aren't good. Wonder Woman seems to be their golden movie.
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I saw suicide squad and it was the worst movie I have ever seen, the plot was under developed and boring. The joker did not have more than 10-20 mins on screen. Very disappointed
It wasn't unwatchable but the joker was so underused they might as well have cut him out completely. Way too many characters and way too much time spent on their back stories.
The reviews of the movie got me worried, but I still really wanted to see it. I did and I loved it. The movie has problems like cut scenes and pacing problems, but I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I'd personally give it a 7/10.
Fun fact, a grocery store near me put out some suicide squad dvds in a box near the checkout around the movies dvd release, 4 years later in 2020, I was getting ready to move and I went to that grocery store to pick up some supplies and I went to the checkout, there was one dvd left same box, I don’t have a DVD player but I picked up the last dvd as a sentimental thing and I still have it today
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Its kinda sad - Batman the Animated Series was one of my favorite TV shows as a kid, I love the Batman Universe, and while not into comics I had more awareness about the DC-Universe than Marvel. Nowadays? THose DC-Movies just leave me cold. And my rather exclusive opinion is that DC missed the chance back with Nolan. I know everyone loves those, but still that trilogy drags the DCU down... Nolan's version lacked all the good stuff that is the Batman-Universe: A dark, dreadful Gotham, over-the-top-insanity countering the grim stoicism and order of Batman, and would have allowed to introduce more and more weird stuff after Batman Begins. just imagine if instead of a third-tier-throwaway-character Cran/Scarecrow would have featured as a prime villain, all with hallucinationgas that REALLY gives nightmarish visions (Arkham Games). Or a Joker that is also funny AND evil (LEdger lacked the funny part sorely, thanks to realism) And now they try to achieve this universe where aliens, sorceresses, mutants etc are real and a thing. But they do it all in one go, and still tried too muchin MoS and BvS to cater to the old Nolan-fancrowd. The very least should have been for MoS to wipe the slate clean from Nolan's heritage and fully embrace the DC-Universe with all it has to offer, and not trying to still keep it somewhat real and "dark" And now the Squad is supposed to do that? It is simply a bit too late and not well planned. And now they will always look like the try to desperatly copy Marvel: SS = Guardians, Wonder Woman in WW1 gives a Captain America vibe, Justice League will be the Avengers - they are always a step too late, even if they are ahead (Hero vs Hero) I needed to write this it seems - I still have some hopes for WW to be entertaining, and Solo-Batman as well - I really eventually want to see Poison Ivy done justice, covering all of Gotham in deadly poisnous and flesh-eating plants
Someday people will realize how horrible Snyder was. Also someday people will realize that Marvel doesnt pay critics to trash DC. The real problem is the story and character development which DC needs to focus on
It's curious, in Hollywood dealmaking, the scriptwriter is largely taken for granted. Old Polish joke, "A young Polish immigrant sleeps with an aging screenwriter, hoping to get ahead in the business". (I'm part Polish, which allows me the right to tell such bombastic jokes. Also, note, the gender of either/or both have not been revealed.) So, months were spent on toy deals et al, but only 6 weeks on the script. Duh?
When you make a movie, you pick the script, you decide the tone, and trust the director and rest of the creative team to do their jobs. Changing the tone of the movie midway through post production just shows how insecure Warner Brothers currently is.
Excellent work, guys! Sure hope you'll get that million subscribers very soon. I feel sorry for DC. I love DC, too. It would have been even more interesting if DCEU could compete with MCU. As you know, competition breeds excellence. But I'm not a fan of WB. I'm not a fan of how they do DC movies. Not every hero needs to be as dark as The Dark Knight. Sorry to say.
Worst on screen Joker of all time plain and simple soft reboot that shit fast. The rest of the movie I thought was fine but as an introduction to Joker and his relationship with Harley its fucking terrible. It felt like a terrible Joker/Harley fanfic written by a 15 year old girl.
I enjoyed the movie but yea its clear that is was rushed and lots of scenes were cut out in particular Joker and Katanas. I may pick up the blu ray when it comes out only if comes with the original uncut version.
I probably won't see Suicide Squad, but I can definitely believe there would be a split between critical and audience reception. I remember "Deadpool" also having a middling RT rating, but I KNEW that the critics probably wouldn't "get" the movie. I went to see it twice, thought about seeing it a third time, too. But I could also see how critics wouldn't rave about it.
*SPOILERS* Being a core fan of both Marvel & DC I was stoked this got made. Just back from seeing it and yea.. its a mess. Editing changes were rumoured and its obvious. The biggest problem is tone. The theory that Man of Steel's world engine caused the mutations/meta-humans is buried by SS they simply exist. Not only that that tone MoS & BvS laid down is dismissed as SS goes dark & demonic to the point it overwhelms. The main character is Deadshot so yes this IS a Will Smith vehicle DONT let the YT reviewers tell u otherwise. The villains are pointless and the conflict is sooo contrived. The tension building is so false and ineptly done. The only thing the film has going for it is characterization. They nail it with all except Kinnaman as Flag, its truely an abysmal performance with some dire dialogue in parts. There is a mid cred scene that isnt worth your time. Sorry fans but SS really is.. sadly.. CERTIFIED CRAP!
Personally I say they should reboot again. Start with a stand alone Batfleck movie, and build from there, cancel any movies in production. Rewrite, real analyse it all, get better writers, and most importantly, better a director. Snyder is good at action, shite on characters and personality, they should make the movies like the Arkham games. That's an almost perfect representation of batman for me. The classic animated series, and the Arkham games.
It's like destiny doesn't want DC to have good movies again like Marvel. Like damn, TDKR wasn't great but compared to the DC movies that followed, it's a masterpiece.
Has anyone heard further word on David Ayer's original version being released on Home Video? Any thoughts on its likelihood of seeing the light of day?
To me, the movie was just average. Didn't leave much impact on me. Though the movie had some obvious tone/stylistic clashes within it. It felt like it was edited by two different people. The first half of the movie has lots of rap/pop songs for each character's introduction. It used neon lettering and flashy colored logos for the squad members. While the second half felt like it took itself way too seriously and all the color and style is gone in the latter part. It wasn't BvS levels of dark and depressing, but you can tell some scenes were clearly altered in reshoots to add some light humor into the mix. It just felt a bit messy.
I thought Suicide Squad was good, bordering on just OK. The Joker was by far the weak link for me, meaning that perhaps the studio's cut of the film might have been better than the reshot merger with the directors cut, but I guess we'll never know. Will Smith was also pretty lackluster. Loved Margo Robbie, Diablo and Croc were cool, and the villain was decent.
The problem with these movies is that the plots themselves are not strong. The dark knight trilogy had intriguing plots that were strong enough that they would have worked with or without batman in some aspects and still been interesting. The most recent DC movies have been rushed and quite honestly, it shows in the writing and weird pacing of the movies.
Suicide Squad was a big letdown....story made no sense at all, overblown CGI, way too much soundtrack usage, and the jokes didnt fit the tone of the film. I admit I am not a fan of DC comics characters, but I honestly thought all of the trailers were awesome and was genuinely looking forward to it. This is definitely a contributing factor in the really low scores. Its certainly much better than Fant4stic, but Fant4stic looked like shit at first glimpse. SS looked great, but ended up being a incoherent mess which is why it's a bigger letdown.
I'm gonna be honest --- I enjoyed the film a lot. It did feel choppily edited in parts, and in hindsight the competing versions-theory makes sense. Still, I thought the cast had great chemistry, the action was solid, and I liked the overall visual style and soundtrack. I felt it delivered on what the trailers (all four of them) advertised.
I just saw the movie and completely agree with you. Now Im starting to consider the critics are bias bullshiters rumor holding some truth because this is the first DC movie I truely gave a damn about. The cast was fantastic. Like you said the editting at the beginning needed a lot of work and they could of changed a lot of the flash backs into current events especially some of them that simply could have been moved in placement like the Katana introduction. The movie I saw wasnt a mess especially when they get into the bulk of it. The beginning was just messy. The bar scene is one of my favorite moments because of the character interaction and screw the people that were complaining about needing none of that and more action
Yeah I dunno man. I've read several reviews that focus overwhelmingly on the "sexual objectification" and racial-stereotype angle, which IMO isn't a valid criticism that has to do with the movie's filmmaking. It seems like a rather typical David Ayer film, like a blend of *Sabotage* (2014) and *End of Watch* (2012). If you hate both of those films, then Suicide Squad probably isn't for you.
Todd Bollinger Never seen those but seeing the movie those criticisms about objectification is pathetic. People need to get off their high horse concerning sex they are so afraid of it. Yes Harley Quinn is sexy and yes they use it. As long as they are not forcing the actress to do such things then it isnt a problem to try and attract the audience. As for the racial thing Will Smith has always been doing his one liners and what more do you want from a character calling himself diablo and who is a gangster. He was in fact the most humane one of them all after what happened with his family.
"Yeah I dunno man. I've read several reviews that focus overwhelmingly on the "sexual objectification" and racial-stereotype angle" That was perhaps 1-2 reviews. There were many, many more criticisms of the movie beyond that. You can't just dismiss the criticism of Suicide Squad as pearl-clutching by SJW's. " It seems like a rather typical David Ayer film, like a blend of Sabotage (2014) and End of Watch (2012)" If anything, it's the opposite. This movie has very clearly been hacked to the bone by executive meddling, and feels like a movie by committee. The tonal shifts are extremely jarring as a result.
ahhh now i understand why that weird middle bit where they save amanda waller was there. the second action set piece that just felt weird and out of place as they were on a mission to stop enchantress... 6 week script??? no wonder it was bland.. any ways great video as always chaps!
WB is so out of touch with their fan base. If you don't take any chances you don't deserve much of a return. When you try to be safe and appeal to too many people at once you tend to fail to appeal to anyone.
The director implied in an interview that his vision was fulfilled by the theatrical release, which I believe was him feeling prematurely safe during the front-loaded opening weekend.
'Biased critics', you say? Shocking. If only everybody could have the impartiality and journalistic integrity of fucking MundaneMatt. #ethicsinfilmcriticism
When I first heard Warner was making a Suicide Squad movie, I was predisposed favorably toward it, especially when I heard Harley Quinn was going to be in it, and played by Margot Robbie, who I still think was an excellent choice. of course, I felt similarly to Batman vs Superman when that was first announced. Unfortunately I grew to hate Suicide Squad because the aesthetic struck me as ugly. As soon as they released the promo photo of Leto's Joker, I was completely off on the movie. This was compounded when I saw the look they made for Harley. I was never convinced one way or the other if the movie would succeed, but I wanted it to fail.
The biggest issue with Suicide Squad is the writing. The actual Squad consisted of seven characters, one of which was pretty generic solider, and they killed off a potentially interesting character to show that the threat of death through head explosion was serious. Two of the seven person group kind of hogged most the spotlight, a third got a bit of it which proved pointless and the other four were give very little in terms of actual relevance. The put the Joker in the ads, which boarders on false advertising for the amount of screen time he has, and the ending just sucked. It's not as bad as Cat Woman, no idea about F4 since I won't see it, but the rushed writing shows.
Rotten Tomatoes is such an arbitrary, stupid "black-and-white-and-nothing-in-between" way of measuring film scores. I have no idea why anyone takes any notice of it.
I'm interested to hear what you guys think of Suicide Squad. I know the reviews from critics are bad but from what I've seen from the UA-cam movie reviewers it's been fairly positive. I wonder if the critics have some sort of hate for DC films or WB in general. Still going to go watch Suicide Squad on Monday.
I just hope that this won't set a precedens for other DC movies. Because they may be box office failures, but at least they are coherent movies. This info about the troubled production gave a lick of hope that they will prefer to make the movie as intended instead of hastily recuting it at the last moment, because it still does not work.
The whole mess began with cramming three movies worth of content into one Batman vs Superman film. So if the studio still doesn't understand what they did wrong, there is very little hope for the DC movie franchise. Just give people a Afleck Batman movie and forget about the rest _(or you could ask Marvel for some help)_.
What lead to the problems at Warner? Cheapness. Warner chose Snyder to direct MoS because he had made 300 for cheap and it made a ton of money. They wanted to get someone that would do that, make a movie under budget and make money. Remember that is the reason Josh Trank was picked for Fant4stick, he made Chronicles for nothing and it looked great. But what is required for independant movies doesn't always go well for big mainstream movies. Guys like Trank and Snyder should never do big blockbusters for a general audience. They have different sensibilities than most people gravitates to. MoS got mixed reviews. Instead of picking another director, they stuck with Snyder for both Justice League movies and being the guy to lead the DCCU and here we are.
It saddens me to see that greed, big egos and fear mandate the creative processes of WB made superhero films because there is much potential in DC and Marvel's Fantastic 4 and Spiderman, but these people just seem to fuck it up to the point I don't want to watch anything in my genre's of interests if it bares their WB brand on it. The viewer doesn't care about contracts. They should've just continued from Nolan's Batman trilogy. Only the storyline with the joker would've been the most tricky part, but that's up to good casting and daring to take a chance.
Instead of RISES, they should have done a movie to introduce Robin, some DC films, such as a Superman that isn't dower, no Green Lantern 2011, and then maybe a DARK KNIGHT RETURNS adaptation, in order to a Justice League movie. And maybe a Nightwing movie so that they could allow the possibility for a live action TEEN TITANS movie and have Deathstroke as the villain (since they don't have to call him by Slade like what they had to do in the 2003 series).
+Brandon Dozier by introduce Robin I do mean a 3rd Batman movie doesn't doesn't conclude the series but rather is about Batman recruiting and training a young Robin, as long as it isn't a remake of Batman Forever that is.
WARNER BROS it's not hiring directors or writers , they're hiring fall guys or scapegoats, just to have someone to redirect the hate on when their mess hit the fan (pun intended) , that it's the reason why zack snyder it's still there, so he can become the punching bag.
.. very disappointed w/ the suicide squad. i have been a big fan of the comic books for years. this movie is not like the comic books and that is a shame. katana and croc were completely unnecessary. what was the squad's mission? directors should look at how nolan's batmans worked. he started w/ a compelling villain and built the rest of the movie around that.
Can anyone trust Rotten tomatoes anymore, I never did to begin with but after Ghostbusers they're certified biased. Based on the trailers I don't think it's remotely possible that this movie could be any worse than Ghostbusters 2016 yet that movie has a rating of 73%...my ass!
I just realized they put Slipknot on the poster. So weird. When he shows up in the movie, I immediately thought that he was going to die. Probably because he had no backstory. He just shows up.
I think the biggest problem with DC movies is they still are trying to shoot "superhero" movies where Marvel is trying to make them into a Spy movie, a period piece or some other genre... "Superhero" movies aren't really a genre... If a film is just based on like: "Oh hey, this guy has powers" then it's just going to flop. That's a very tired concept.
I don't understand how Reviewers and critics can be so far apart when it comes to the Joker in this movie. Some say he is the best thing in it, others say he is the worst thing ever.
Suicide Squad is one of those movies where I just have to say "fuck it, I liked it." I'm not trying to suggest that it was amazing or revolutionary, but it was a fun movie.
honestly, they should have gone with the ayer cut and more Joker. the scenes that were cut looked like it gave him, Harley and their relationship a lot more substance.
COMIC BOOK FAN BOY STANDARDS: Hate on actors when they are first announced and when they see them in the movie claim you always love them. Lower your expectations and settle for mediocre comic book movies instead of demanding a product deserving of your hard earn money. Start a ridiculous fan war between brands of comic book companies to prove you are a "true comic book fan", but end up feeding into the stereotype that people have about retarded fan boys. Blame the critics instead of the people responsible for making shitty comic book movies.
Sounds accurate. Same thing with video games; in the 90s SEGA uses marketing to deliberately causes a console war between SEGA and Nintendo for publicity, and this continues to this day with XBONE and PS4 for no reason at all.
I just came back from Suicide Squad, with Batman v Superman I saw the problems some of the critics had, but with this movie I don't see half of the problems the critics had. It's definitely not the next Dark Knight but It at least deserves a 50% on RT. The movie is better than BvS and less boring. Overall I would give this movie a: 7/10.
I am not convinced that the Rotten Tomato's certification is valid anymore. Ghostbusters was certified "fresh" but it is sucking at the box office. Suicide Squad is certified "rotten" and it is out performing Ghostbusters in just one week. Same for Star Trek: Beyond: certified "fresh" and getting beat by the "rotten" Suicide Squad. How is that possible unless the certification process is crap?
1 don't even like DC movies that much, but 1 thought Suicide Squad was fun. At this point, it's kind of become a trend to just absolutely shit stomp on DC movie's flaws, while generally ignoring Marvel movie's flaws.
I disagree with one thing, though... Marvel Studios is a movie studio that makes all kinds of movies, with the common thread that they all feature Marvel characters. And that's part of their strength. It's not a matter of "Marvel movies have jokes and DC movies don't." Marvel makes these movies in the style that best suits the character, and a good character is what audiences find compelling.
The movie is a mess. Warner killed it. It's more like two movies (first half is a comic book action and second half is a below average zombie movie) and collection of music clips, and the latter part is actually the best. Despite the movie being far worse than BvS, I somehow enjoyed visuals, some scenes, OST and Joker. The plot and the dialogue are complete mess though, there are so many problems with it that it's easier not to say anything about it. The humor is forced, unfunny and looks out of place (thanks, WB, for messing up the movie even further, yes). The whole thing with "friends" is pathetic and miserable, especially knowing the original comic book. People in the cinema though seemed to like it, and I see a lot of positive reception from teenagers on the Internet.
Ghostbusters 2016 and Suicide Squad are in opocite in rotten tomatoes in critics and fan rating. the 1st was wanker by critics and hated by fans and the latter was hated by critics and liked by fans
4:17-4:22 ...Really? They expected one movie to do what Marvel has done in 8 years?
Yeah I don't get how anyone could think that.
Todd Bollinger
It's borderline retarded. But at least it makes sense why Batman V Superman was a mess.
All WB/DC saw were the $$$ over at Marvel Studios. Gotta chase that dollar.... WB's been chasing that cash cow since their mega-franchises of Batman, Neo, and Harry Potter ended their runs.
Ironically there really wasn't much progress in character development in those 8 years
that makes the franchise dead on arrival. DC could bring the downfall of superhero movies if they keep doing this
I thought that Suicide Squad's trailer was an embarrassing attempt by Warner Bros. to copy the Guardians of the Galaxy's tone and was immediately uninterested in the movie. It is pretty baffling that they would have Ayer, a man who wrote and directed a really brutal and ugly war movie that worked, write and direct this film while trying to inject levity. Fury made me feel terrible at times. He obviously knows how to do gritty well.
I hope and pray it was the part with the dinosaur statue.
Yeah I gotta. Actually the first footage shown at comic-con for Suicide Squad was not like Guardians at all. It was darker and somber.
It was originally going to be dark but then studio interference happened.
the anime was awesome but the movie, just from the looks of the trailers I was really disappointed.
That wasn't an anime. Though it did employ a little bit of the anime style. Troll King
Just give the rights back to Marvel already.
Marvel Doesn't own the Suicide Squad. DC Comics and Warner Brothers do.
I think this seems to be a running joke that started with how poorly Sony handled The Amazing Spider-Man, and later Fox with Fantastic Four. We are all aware that Suicide Squad isn't a Marvel property.
You do realize DC was first right?
I'll never get tired of seeing this.
+Tor J It's like I'm some kinda. . . "Wonder Woman." -- Deanna Troi aka She-Ra
To those of you who wonder, yes, more Ghostbusters is coming very soon.
Spider-man part 3 is just around the corner too.
Oh joy of joys - more reasons to keep Midnight's Edge well in business in the video making endeavors :P
Speaking of Ghost Busters I just saw it tonight with a free movie ticket (No way I was going to pay SONY for that). If I could describe the GB Movie in one word it would be "Middling".
Honestly, the new Ghostbusters was a really good movie.
the new GB was cringe inducing. it does to the franchise what Michael Bay has done to Transformers...turned it into a cheap side show for all the Twizzler suckers out there. that that movie landed a fresh rating on RT is evidence to me of one of two things: either RT is a pay-to-win scam...or it is fueled by morons.
They should ask J.K. Rowling or the people who worked on Harry Potter to help them with a story that flows well over several movies
Final act was Fant4stic levels of bad. Though, this atleast was more fun than that film. Sloppy mess overall. Very disappointed. I was sure this would be the DCEU first real win.
I mean at least they fought
Yeah I was shocked the film turned out the way it did.
Same. I hoped SS would be the big win DC needed to get on the map. As much as I love Marvel they need competition cause if complacency breeds stagnation.
Worst thing that could happen is DC tanking the superhero movie genre again with another Batman & Robin-level film.
will smith and the girl that played harley saved it for me... the new joker... meh
I thought the ending rocked, the middle sagged slightly but overall I liked the movie
I love how you guys can make these videos kind of creepy with the music and overall tone, keep it up!
Will do!
Yeah, it feels like I'm watching classified information that could get me killed
It has that vibe of TOP SECRET feel.
Considering Fembusters is certified as fresh by RT, I'd take going by them with a grain of salt.
I ignore it completely RT is BS
its called Rotten Tomatoes for a reason. having been dumb enough to go watch that travesty that was the new GB...I have to agree. the shits a scam
Yeah, Ghostbusters is terrible. I don't know how the hell it's even considered fresh?
Hank Pym Throw enough money at the right people, and they'll say total dog shit is on par with Citizen Kane.
They are not credible, pc bullshit.
I know you guys mainly do production history for movies, but I was wondering if you would do an episode looking at the production history of the TV series Arrow, I'm really curious as to how the series crashed so badly from season 2.
No plans to cover any CW shows in a dedicated video, sorry. But the collapse might be mentioned in another.
Midnight's Edge okay, thanks
heard the fans of ARROW have switched to Daredevil since then.
+Midnight's Edge good enough,lol.
FWIU, the production quality dropped when the writers split off during the creation and establishment of The Flash in 2014 leaving the Arrow writers with a complete outline of Season 3 and a brief for Season 4, which was modified heavily by the new crew of writers.
As writing further split during the creation of Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow, Guggenheim took the reins that Kreisberg left as he moved EP'ing LoT/Supergirl. Due to the nature of co-filming 4 series, a lot of production is borrowed /co-produced.
This also means that Season 5 Arrow is completely off-book from the original plot and writing direction, even more so than Season 4. This also extends to fight choreography and production resources which were moved to the better performing Flash series, and later LoT/Supergirl.
Season 4 is often referred to as Felicity and Friends, or Olicity, which was developed in Season 3 as a counterweight to the character's relationship change, and perhaps meddling from Berlanti to increase the "Olicity" focus in Season 4.
In general, Season 4 changes character writing to an enormous extent, and reduces fight choreography to drama scenes, for a show that's ostensibly ... a vigilante that shoots arrows is reduced to a handful of episodes in the season. Women in the series are now attached to characters romantically for reasons that weren't present in Season 3, the villain is disconnected from the plot. and the death of a main character is used for tension, culminating in a poorly made fist fight at the end of the series, and a nuclear explosion that has likely no repercussions.
In general, the underwhelming plot of Season 4 likely has more to do with the expansion of female writers under Guggenheim and showrunner Berlanti, who often tries to cater to the network.
Without input from the writers into what resources went where, it's hard to pin down a catalyst other than Guggenheim, who is at the helm of Arrow.
I went to see Suicide Squad yesterday and the reviews are completely justified. It's a more entertaining film than BvS but the story is a mess, the editing is horrible, and some of the dialog was cringey. I liked Harley but some of her jokes fell flat. Mainstream critics are generally not comics fans and that probably contributes to the low score as some of the interactions, especially between Joker and Harley, make no sense unless you already know those characters and understand their history.
One of my younger brothers went to see it with some friends last night. I wonder what he thought of it
Same.
Honestly even knowing their history doesn't help. In the comics and animated series their relationship is consistently portrayed as abusive. Joker doesn't give a shit about Harley but she still keeps coming back to him because of his manipulation. Suicide Squad made it actual lovey dovey shit instead. making this version of the Joker so far removed from the actual Joker that it just isn't the Joker at all.
Danny Malzahn "the story wasn't amazing and some parts didn't make any sense" in your mind means it was great. M'kay.
Danny Malzahn Oh, I read it. I just disagree. Deadpool had a mildly weak story but still better than Suicide Squad. GotG had a somewhat strong story and good characters. In both cases, the stories were at least clear and correctly structured. Fanboys gotta learn that story needs to come first.
I found it to, unfortunately, be a total dumpster fire.
it really was. also comic con footage of justice league ruined the post credit scene with batman. they really tried to go for that iron man post credit scene and it just didnt work
Yeah, it wasn't good. I actually gave the movie a chance this morning and went to the first screening, and boy did I leave sour. Not as sour as I did with BVS, but still pretty ticked. I fully expected this to be the DC movie of the year, the one that would kick the DCEU off right, but with lackluster characters that had no chemistry, weak action sequences, and a villain so weak it put Ronan to shame, it just left me with very little. I did enjoy the little bit of Batman we got though and Harley, while not exactly how I imagined her, was pretty fun to watch, but that's really about it.
+AshXXMayftw Your response is pretty much mine beat-for-beat
MrHPfan4ever
Yeah. Both DC and Warner Bros. need to get it together and fast.
Rick Harding no she basically said she knew.
Me and my wife saw it today and we did not like it at all... It was boring, there was not time to get to know the characters hardly at all, they were out matched by the villain but still won and they promised so much Batman in this movie and you literally see him a total of about 3 minutes (Including the end credit)... All those who gave this a rave review jsut to get views or got paid to do it... SHAME ON YOU....
*****
I love how people have to insult. Way to make your point.... I think the pot should not be calling the kettle black...
Or it's there opinion and they liked it. Get over it. People have different opinions it's what makes this world great.
+Barnone11970 Who the fuck promised 'so much batman'? you're lying to yourself, And people have different opinions.
I actually enjoyed it more than Civil War...maybe because I am already familiar with the characters and did not need the movie to go into detail about them, I never experienced this problem that you did.
+~Poppin' Cherries~ David Ayer himself said we would get to see a more "vicious" Batman from the criminal perspective in combat....which we didn't get at all.
I really liked the film. It's not perfect, but it's still a lot of fun. And while I don't believe that the critics are being paid by Marvel I do believe they seem to have a natural aversion towards DC. This movie does not deserve the hate just like how Ghostbusters did not deserve the praise.
After those two films I really have trust issues with critics.
I feel like people are just hating on Ghostbuster just because is the trend right now. The movie didn't make that much so it's not like everyone has gone to see it already. I don't want to see it because I'm not interested in seeing it, but I don't just assume it's bad
Mario Orta I didn't just _assume_ it's bad. I watched it. And it was a monumental piece of shit. Why do you think no one has watched it? Because word of mouth has spread, that's why.
Dreadjaws yeah, but the film has been trashed by basically everyone and I just feel that people are just hating on it because everyone else does. People like you who have actually seen it have all the right in the world to bash it and say that it sucks, but everyone else should just not watch it if they please, but also don't be sheep and say that is bad when is not their opinion but someone else's.
Mario Orta For every person who bash it because of a trend there's people who praise it for the same reason. Look at the positive reviews and you'll see the same lack of objectivity that there are in the negative ones.
Dreadjaws the positive reviews just state opinions for the most part, so I wouldn't want to say that they are being biases since I haven't watched it myself. Although there's this Roxana Hadadi bitch who is using the misogynist card and is being totally biased. There are people who are going to be like that but I doubt that everyone is being bias. Heck, some of the critics I trust from UA-cam like NC or Stuckmann say that is just meh, not good but not really abysmally bad.
So of course they are going to be people that are biased like women that would be over praising it, but I believe that there are also people just giving their honest opinion.
Your information is fascinating, your presentation is very entertaining and your ambient music is fantastic!
"Does MARVEL pay Critics to shit on DC?"
...do they even need to?
Why didnt WB start to plan their cinematic universe the second they knew that Nolan wasnt returning for more films after TDKR?
Well, they tried to create a cinematic universe starting with Green Lantern and......well......yeah.
Probably because they really didn't want to. And then they saw Avengers, and they couldn't not have their own superhero series to rival it.
Like ME said: they still had the Hobbit trilogy.
+RobotShlomo They might have tried to get a universe started before Avengers, depending on when Green Lantern was released.
"Certified...ROTTEN"
It really accounts to nothing, as critics have been wrong many times before.
It's Warcraft all over again.
This movie is shit but saying it's worse than Fantastic 4 is pure hyperbolic nonsense
Yeah, you have to actually TRY to reach that level of bad.
I think the comparisons to Fant4stic is more about the studio meddling. Even the people that hate this movie aren't saying it's worse than Trank's nightmare (that critic quote looks more like he said it to get clicks/attention -- wouldn't be surprised if he never saw Fant4stic either). I mean, less than zero is hard to do. Some members of the SS had team chemistry and they established a villain.... well, at least she wasn't a crash test dummy right? =)
We all know Batman V Superman's critical reception was a wake-up call to WB. Will Suicide Squad will be even a bigger wake-up call? As a fan of DC, I'm a little worried Wonderman and Justice league next year.
Wonder Man is a Marvel character.
Wonder Woman looks good to be honest, they just gotta stop messing with the film development
+Shin Seiki Evan No just no
The issue is that they got a wakeup call, but no clear direction of how to fix their issues.
The same thing happened after Man of Steel, so I don't know what they'll do now.
Man of Steel was great. BvS was not as good as I wanted it to be and SS fell behind.
Hope they fix there shit.
Because unlike Ghostbusters, the critics are not getting paid.
Not quite, I mean, I now the percentage in RT for GB says 73 percent but the actual average grade for the movie was just a six (not that far from Suicide Squad´s five point four) and most of the reviews called it just an average if not somewhat mediocre movie.
There was also a heavy cloud of fear over professional backlash that probably kept most reviewers from giving it less than a six, so they tagged it the bare minimum.
MatthewTreadstone
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
+MatthewTreadstone No evidence of that ever being a thing. As usual, the simplest answer is the most likely. Maybe they just liked the movie as opposed to some "environment of fear" conspiracy.
MrHPfan4ever
Yes and no, I mean, sure, some critics oughta have liked it, but a lot of times it seemed like they were being careful as to not be labeled as mysoginists, I mean, even some female critics started calling them out on it and demanded that they spoke their mind.
DC needs to stop trying be marvel or to catch up to marvel in one moive. They won't do it. they are 2 different brands and loved for different reasons. just focus on your movies and brand.
Yeah, DC does need to do their own thing. Even though they are comic books, they are a bit different than marvel. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are Legends, mythic heroes, while I have always viewed Marvel as more common man and the smaller details of life.
They also try to go completely one way or the other with doing things Marvel did successfully when trying to fix audience complaints. Like trying to make it jokey after complaining about it being drab and/or unfun instead of looking at why Marvel is so successful with that by making it only as serious as costumed heroes can be and let any humor or levity come casually from the moment.
I agree. Marvel didn't just come out with The Avengers, they meticulously unveiled it. Iron Man, Captain America, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, all of these were successful in their own right. Then they brought those elements together for an even bigger and successful movie. Then they did it again, with sequels to those films, successful additions to the universe (Ant-Man, GOTG) and a sequel to The Avengers. And there's more to come!? Marvel is kicking ass, but it's mainly because the planning was... "uncanny". (Shameless Marvel joke:) DC is fucking up because they're looking for one movie to achieve the same success as The Avengers, it can't be done. What they should've done was gave Harley and Joker they're own movie (or it could've been a Joker movie with Harley in it) But, it would've been a chance to connect with her character and explore her background with Joker. Do the same for Deadshot,
Batman (Obviously),
The Flash (in connection with Captain Boomerang) These characters are well deserving of their own movies, and the movies would handle character development. Then put 'em all together in a movie like Suicide Squad. That IS the recipe and Marvel is following it Marvelously.
+Wayne Bevans people forget how many time people said marvel was done or finshed. when iron man 2 cam out. ect. but they didn't have all compitition like DC has. The market is over saturated with super hero movie that all have the same plot. People are getting sick of it no matter how well made or cool the fight are.
I agree. Although, I'm not tired of Superhero/ Supervillain movies or series (Daredevil on Netflix is fucking awesome!) I'm growing tired of the super-being-wants-to-rule/destroy-the-world cliché. It's sooooooo boring. Come up with something different please.
well... I liked Man of Steel. But I knew Batman v Superman was going to be shit since it was anounced because is a story that needs a lot of build up.
Sorry. Sorry. Man Of Steel didn't "underperform" and Batman V Superman made $872 million dollars, which isn't "far short of a billion" by any stretch of the imagination.
but u to account for the cost of the movies
WB had hoped MoS to gross closer to 1 billion dollars (remember that Iron Man 3 was released the same year) and since the Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises both topped 1 billion, you'd think that a film featuring the DC holy trinity would easily top that.
Well to play Devil's Advocate here, I think the only reason The Dark Knight made as much money as it did was because of the death of Heath Ledger, and Rises made the money it made because it was going off the hype of the last movie. None of them really had anything to do with Batman himself. What WB/DC have to focus on is making sure the product is of good quality rather than just rely on what popular character is in the product in order for it to sell, which was BvS's ultimate downfall. It seems like with Suicide Squad they're learning since I hear the Joker is barely in the movie. You would think that since he's popular they would put more focus on him.
Hay about that $100 I owe you .....I just cut a check for $87.20 so we're all square.
+Saoirse yeah, you still owe $12.80 but I wouldn't say you "fell short of $100."
Midnight's Edge: I apologize for this rant. An open letter to hardcore DC fanboys and others who feel that Marvel is ruining movies for some reason. I love everything Marvel does. And I'm sick these stupid debates about Marvel ruining everything about movies. If a studio is putting out craptastic movies, then it the studios fault. Look at DC. They want to create a cinematic universe similar to Marvel's but they just don't know what the hell they are doing. They slap their movies together as fast as they can and then put out a product that sucks. Say what you want about Marvel, but I love their movies and not just because I'm some sort of Marvel fanboy or something. It's because Marvel puts out fun, exciting and easy to enjoy movies which is what I think superhero movies should be. And what is this dumbass argument about Marvel films all being the same? That just a lame cop out. All Marvel films are not the same and they are not formulaic as people who want to tear down Marvel would have you believe. Sure they are humorous a lot of the time but what the hell is wrong with that? Compare that to DC who I call the "McDonald's" of superhero movie making. DC's formula for making superhero movies is similar to "McDonalds" approach to hamburger making. Make these glorious advertisements showing you a quarter-pounder fresh and hot off the grill in order to get you excited about the sandwich and get you to go to the restaurant to buy the sandwich. But when you get there and see the sandwich in person, it looks nothing like it did in the commercial. That what DC does. Trailers that get you excited about a movie in order to get you to go that opening week and disappointing you with the actual movie. Here's the list: MOS, BvS and now Suicide Squad. How is that Marvel's fault? David Ayers, director of Suicide Squad, was given six weeks write the script for Suicide Squad. Six weeks! Just so DC/ WB could meet some stupid deadline. I'm surprised the movie wasn't worse. Guess that's Marvel's fault too? BvS is even more atrocious and Zack "SUCKER PUNCH" Snyder had three years to work on that movie. DC fanboys are ruining the DCEU by not insisting upon quality and supporting DC no matter what. This has to stop if the DCEU is going to improve it's track record. And that goes for Sony and Fox with the exception of Deadpool which was excellent.
The reason people are saying Marvel is ruining film is because just about every major franchise trying to come into existence currently is trying to copy what Marvel has. The problem is none of these people are taking the time to actually build an expanded universe.
Remember Sony and it's attempt at it with Spider-Man? That failed because aside from trying to appeal to a wider audience, (tweens) they were trying to plant seeds of things to come at the expense of the story Marc Webb was trying to tell.
I distinctly remember someone online said (I won't name him) that because of Marvel inter connective approach it was causing film to revert to the serial style of the past. And then said it would cause film making to crumble because film can't go back to a old ways. Except serials were like a film but made like TV shows and if you wanted to see what happens next you have to come back for the next part. Marvel's films are full stories with things here and there for the next film and others, but on their own they're complete stories that don't force you to go back. You can just see what hero you want to follow and ignore the others at your leisure.
Again Marvel is not ruining film, it's everyone else trying to follow their example, and failing at it.
MegatonDestron: Agreed. Studios need to take responsibility for their own failures and stop trying to say Marvel is the cause of their downfall. Take the time and effort it takes to make good movies and the money and success will come. The sad part about DC is their job is so simple. MAKE GOOD MOVIES. Because they've already got people who want to like their movies and want DC to do well and that includes myself so all DC has to do is take the time to make their movies good. But that's not going to happen as long as Zack Snyder is allowed to continue to shit all over the DCEU. DC/WB's first and probably most important move is to get rid of Zack "SUCKER PUNCH" Snyder! Also the DC/WB studio itself needs to keep it's nose out of the movie making process and let the directors, except for Zack Snyder, do their jobs.
RVL480 Van WB is the problem in this instance, they've always been the problem. Tim Burton was still a developing director who rose fast due making hits like Beetle-juice early in his career. That gave execs reason to give him, Batman 89. Now apparently he was limited in what he wanted to do for that film. Also he was limited while doing Batman Returns, which I can't see considering everything in that movie. Now I'm sure many know the reason he was taken of director duty for Forever was the backlash parents gave about it being "too dark." I wouldn't say dark but directionless, incoherent, and violence and sexual innuendo being cranked up for no good reason.
So Burton stops directing but is made a producer. And who do they get to direct Forever? Joel Schoumcer, who was an actual fan of the character and his world, (Burton has said he's never read a comic in his life) and who has much experience in film. We all know how his tenure on the Batman series pan out but the thing here is the studio MADE Schumcher direct the films the way they wanted because they didn't want to lose their toy contracts. True Schumacer was a fan of the 66's series (as am I) when is was over he advise they return to a a more mature place for the films to follow.
I could go into detail about Singer but this is the example I think of the most. WB could care less about DC and only cares about brand. Even so that's no excuse for making a poor product. If they want this series to survive and thrive, they need to a at least the illusion of a damn and put the people who care where they should be and the ones that don't out.
MegatonDestron: Agree 100%. I used to blame Shumacher for the downfall of Batman but then I took a look at his track record as a director and found out that he had directed some of my favorite movies like Phone Booth, Lost Boys...etc. So he obviously was a good director and probably could have maybe even improved on the Batman series if he had been given more control of the project and not been forced to make Batman and Robin into a full blown advertisement for toys. So based on the evidence, it looks like WB/DC need to do do two things in order to get the DCEU on track. 1. Fire Zack Snyder and 2. Quit meddling in the movie making process.
"Sell the rights to Marvel"
-Many more than you would like to believe.
LMFAO that fucking killed me
I hate to admit this but Suicide Squad deserves the critical lashing, unlike BvS which I thoroughly enjoyed, SS is bogged down by horrible pacing issues, radical tonal shifts and a dumb end of the world scenario which has been done to death. No one is more heartbroken than I, but I can't make any excuses for this mess.
I'm eager to see if Suicide Squad gets a director's cut. If Warner Bros. still cares at all about being considered a "filmmaker-friendly studio," which they haven't acted like thus far in their DCEU production, that is the least they could do.
How did Man of Steel underperform at the box-office? It made more than any of the Marvel's Phase One films. With the exception of The Avengers of course.
The studio expected it to do over a billion, but did not come close.
Psychonis But it was still profitable though.
Hank Pym Not enough for WB studios. When they set out with a production like this they have certain expectations. They want to have new billion dollar franchises now that the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings/Hobbit films have finished.
but you heard the info here. they didn't just want it to be profitable, they wanted it to be huge. and it wasn't.
Man of Steel made $668 million based on a budget of $225 million.
For block busters what would be underperforming.
TOP 5 WB Comic Book Movie check list:
1. Muted colors. Check.
2. Heroes looking like they're mourning and hopelessly depressed. Check.
3. Lofty but useless exposition with no payoff. Check.
4. HUMORLESS and questionable motives that blur the line between hero and villain to make the character relate-able. Check.
5. Plot riddled with plot holes with a destruction filled orgy type climax that mimics a Michael Bay movie. Check.
I honestly really liked Suicide Squad. It was a lot of fun and it was funny. I really enjoyed it IMO
I completely agree. I want to know what professional critics have stuck up their asses. Suicide Squad certainly wasn't a _great_ movie, per se, but it was entertaining. It had its problems and was lacking something in the way of substance, but, at the very least, I wasn't bored while watching it. Definitely worth seeing at least once.
AGREE !!!!!!!!!!
+Waspinator1998 Because the critics have a natural aversion to DC. I can't blame them. Most of the DCEU's films aren't good. Wonder Woman seems to be their golden movie.
This is the 2nd video from you I've watched and love everything about it.
Well researched news about the film industry reported with no slant.
Keep up the great work.
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6 weeks? I thought that was a rumor. It's so frustrating how rushed this entire universe is.
I saw suicide squad and it was the worst movie I have ever seen, the plot was under developed and boring. The joker did not have more than 10-20 mins on screen. Very disappointed
It wasn't unwatchable but the joker was so underused they might as well have cut him out completely. Way too many characters and way too much time spent on their back stories.
Marvel studios is succesful because disney doesn't meddle with the movies, WB isn't learning from their mistakes
The reviews of the movie got me worried, but I still really wanted to see it. I did and I loved it. The movie has problems like cut scenes and pacing problems, but I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I'd personally give it a 7/10.
Fun fact, a grocery store near me put out some suicide squad dvds in a box near the checkout around the movies dvd release, 4 years later in 2020, I was getting ready to move and I went to that grocery store to pick up some supplies and I went to the checkout, there was one dvd left same box, I don’t have a DVD player but I picked up the last dvd as a sentimental thing and I still have it today
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Its kinda sad - Batman the Animated Series was one of my favorite TV shows as a kid, I love the Batman Universe, and while not into comics I had more awareness about the DC-Universe than Marvel. Nowadays? THose DC-Movies just leave me cold. And my rather exclusive opinion is that DC missed the chance back with Nolan. I know everyone loves those, but still that trilogy drags the DCU down...
Nolan's version lacked all the good stuff that is the Batman-Universe: A dark, dreadful Gotham, over-the-top-insanity countering the grim stoicism and order of Batman, and would have allowed to introduce more and more weird stuff after Batman Begins. just imagine if instead of a third-tier-throwaway-character Cran/Scarecrow would have featured as a prime villain, all with hallucinationgas that REALLY gives nightmarish visions (Arkham Games). Or a Joker that is also funny AND evil (LEdger lacked the funny part sorely, thanks to realism)
And now they try to achieve this universe where aliens, sorceresses, mutants etc are real and a thing. But they do it all in one go, and still tried too muchin MoS and BvS to cater to the old Nolan-fancrowd. The very least should have been for MoS to wipe the slate clean from Nolan's heritage and fully embrace the DC-Universe with all it has to offer, and not trying to still keep it somewhat real and "dark"
And now the Squad is supposed to do that? It is simply a bit too late and not well planned. And now they will always look like the try to desperatly copy Marvel: SS = Guardians, Wonder Woman in WW1 gives a Captain America vibe, Justice League will be the Avengers - they are always a step too late, even if they are ahead (Hero vs Hero)
I needed to write this it seems - I still have some hopes for WW to be entertaining, and Solo-Batman as well - I really eventually want to see Poison Ivy done justice, covering all of Gotham in deadly poisnous and flesh-eating plants
Someday people will realize how horrible Snyder was. Also someday people will realize that Marvel doesnt pay critics to trash DC. The real problem is the story and character development which DC needs to focus on
It's curious, in Hollywood dealmaking, the scriptwriter is largely taken for granted. Old Polish joke, "A young Polish immigrant sleeps with an aging screenwriter, hoping to get ahead in the business". (I'm part Polish, which allows me the right to tell such bombastic jokes. Also, note, the gender of either/or both have not been revealed.) So, months were spent on toy deals et al, but only 6 weeks on the script. Duh?
When you make a movie, you pick the script, you decide the tone, and trust the director and rest of the creative team to do their jobs. Changing the tone of the movie midway through post production just shows how insecure Warner Brothers currently is.
Suicide Squad: Zack Snyder, Michael Bay, Josh Trank, Marc Webb, Joel Schumacher and now David Ayer
that all change when Aquaman hits theaters and that film did made 1 billion dollars
Excellent work, guys! Sure hope you'll get that million subscribers very soon.
I feel sorry for DC. I love DC, too. It would have been even more interesting if DCEU could compete with MCU. As you know, competition breeds excellence.
But I'm not a fan of WB. I'm not a fan of how they do DC movies. Not every hero needs to be as dark as The Dark Knight. Sorry to say.
Worst on screen Joker of all time plain and simple soft reboot that shit fast. The rest of the movie I thought was fine but as an introduction to Joker and his relationship with Harley its fucking terrible. It felt like a terrible Joker/Harley fanfic written by a 15 year old girl.
Henry Caville's receding hairline is a more of a threat than anything in this franchise. Replacing Superman would be tough.
I enjoyed the movie but yea its clear that is was rushed and lots of scenes were cut out in particular Joker and Katanas.
I may pick up the blu ray when it comes out only if comes with the original uncut version.
Considering that DC has been owned by Warner Bros since at least the 1970's it's pretty pathetic that they haven't been a priority until 2013!
I probably won't see Suicide Squad, but I can definitely believe there would be a split between critical and audience reception.
I remember "Deadpool" also having a middling RT rating, but I KNEW that the critics probably wouldn't "get" the movie. I went to see it twice, thought about seeing it a third time, too. But I could also see how critics wouldn't rave about it.
Deadpool got 84% on Rotten Tomatoes. Critic quite enjoyed it.
MrHPfan4ever The Fandango metric and RT metrics were more mixed, hovering around low-mid 60s initially, IIRC.
Man, I've been looking forward this one. Keep being awesome guys! You make excellent content.
*SPOILERS*
Being a core fan of both Marvel & DC I was stoked this got made. Just back from seeing it and yea.. its a mess. Editing changes were rumoured and its obvious. The biggest problem is tone. The theory that Man of Steel's world engine caused the mutations/meta-humans is buried by SS they simply exist. Not only that that tone MoS & BvS laid down is dismissed as SS goes dark & demonic to the point it overwhelms. The main character is Deadshot so yes this IS a Will Smith vehicle DONT let the YT reviewers tell u otherwise. The villains are pointless and the conflict is sooo contrived. The tension building is so false and ineptly done. The only thing the film has going for it is characterization. They nail it with all except Kinnaman as Flag, its truely an abysmal performance with some dire dialogue in parts. There is a mid cred scene that isnt worth your time. Sorry fans but SS really is.. sadly.. CERTIFIED CRAP!
Man, the movie wasn't that good, but worst than Fantastic Four or Catwoman, that's a bit too far.
spiderbatman97 extremely too far.. lol.
Personally I say they should reboot again. Start with a stand alone Batfleck movie, and build from there, cancel any movies in production. Rewrite, real analyse it all, get better writers, and most importantly, better a director. Snyder is good at action, shite on characters and personality, they should make the movies like the Arkham games. That's an almost perfect representation of batman for me. The classic animated series, and the Arkham games.
It's like destiny doesn't want DC to have good movies again like Marvel.
Like damn, TDKR wasn't great but compared to the DC movies that followed, it's a masterpiece.
It's just not a great movie.. The editing was a mess and the plot and villain were pretty weak
One of the big cardinal rules with starting a franchise: Never count your chickens before they hatch!
Has anyone heard further word on David Ayer's original version being released on Home Video? Any thoughts on its likelihood of seeing the light of day?
To me, the movie was just average. Didn't leave much impact on me. Though the movie had some obvious tone/stylistic clashes within it. It felt like it was edited by two different people. The first half of the movie has lots of rap/pop songs for each character's introduction. It used neon lettering and flashy colored logos for the squad members.
While the second half felt like it took itself way too seriously and all the color and style is gone in the latter part. It wasn't BvS levels of dark and depressing, but you can tell some scenes were clearly altered in reshoots to add some light humor into the mix. It just felt a bit messy.
I rented Batman: Assault on Arkham instead. It was OK.
I thought Suicide Squad was good, bordering on just OK. The Joker was by far the weak link for me, meaning that perhaps the studio's cut of the film might have been better than the reshot merger with the directors cut, but I guess we'll never know. Will Smith was also pretty lackluster. Loved Margo Robbie, Diablo and Croc were cool, and the villain was decent.
The problem with these movies is that the plots themselves are not strong. The dark knight trilogy had intriguing plots that were strong enough that they would have worked with or without batman in some aspects and still been interesting. The most recent DC movies have been rushed and quite honestly, it shows in the writing and weird pacing of the movies.
Suicide Squad was a big letdown....story made no sense at all, overblown CGI, way too much soundtrack usage, and the jokes didnt fit the tone of the film.
I admit I am not a fan of DC comics characters, but I honestly thought all of the trailers were awesome and was genuinely looking forward to it. This is definitely a contributing factor in the really low scores. Its certainly much better than Fant4stic, but Fant4stic looked like shit at first glimpse. SS looked great, but ended up being a incoherent mess which is why it's a bigger letdown.
I'm gonna be honest --- I enjoyed the film a lot. It did feel choppily edited in parts, and in hindsight the competing versions-theory makes sense. Still, I thought the cast had great chemistry, the action was solid, and I liked the overall visual style and soundtrack. I felt it delivered on what the trailers (all four of them) advertised.
I just saw the movie and completely agree with you. Now Im starting to consider the critics are bias bullshiters rumor holding some truth because this is the first DC movie I truely gave a damn about. The cast was fantastic. Like you said the editting at the beginning needed a lot of work and they could of changed a lot of the flash backs into current events especially some of them that simply could have been moved in placement like the Katana introduction. The movie I saw wasnt a mess especially when they get into the bulk of it. The beginning was just messy. The bar scene is one of my favorite moments because of the character interaction and screw the people that were complaining about needing none of that and more action
Yeah I dunno man. I've read several reviews that focus overwhelmingly on the "sexual objectification" and racial-stereotype angle, which IMO isn't a valid criticism that has to do with the movie's filmmaking. It seems like a rather typical David Ayer film, like a blend of *Sabotage* (2014) and *End of Watch* (2012). If you hate both of those films, then Suicide Squad probably isn't for you.
Todd Bollinger Never seen those but seeing the movie those criticisms about objectification is pathetic. People need to get off their high horse concerning sex they are so afraid of it. Yes Harley Quinn is sexy and yes they use it. As long as they are not forcing the actress to do such things then it isnt a problem to try and attract the audience. As for the racial thing Will Smith has always been doing his one liners and what more do you want from a character calling himself diablo and who is a gangster. He was in fact the most humane one of them all after what happened with his family.
"Yeah I dunno man. I've read several reviews that focus overwhelmingly on the "sexual objectification" and racial-stereotype angle"
That was perhaps 1-2 reviews. There were many, many more criticisms of the movie beyond that. You can't just dismiss the criticism of Suicide Squad as pearl-clutching by SJW's.
" It seems like a rather typical David Ayer film, like a blend of Sabotage (2014) and End of Watch (2012)"
If anything, it's the opposite. This movie has very clearly been hacked to the bone by executive meddling, and feels like a movie by committee. The tonal shifts are extremely jarring as a result.
ahhh now i understand why that weird middle bit where they save amanda waller was there. the second action set piece that just felt weird and out of place as they were on a mission to stop enchantress...
6 week script??? no wonder it was bland.. any ways great video as always chaps!
WB is so out of touch with their fan base. If you don't take any chances you don't deserve much of a return. When you try to be safe and appeal to too many people at once you tend to fail to appeal to anyone.
Mirror's Edge, you treat us too well!
Thank you for all the hard work. 👍👍
Its impossible for DC to catch up to Marvel and when they do , the genre will peter out .
I didn't enjoy MoS or BvS so this was the decider for me on if I will bother with any DC movies going forward.
I kind of really want to see a directors cut of this
The director implied in an interview that his vision was fulfilled by the theatrical release, which I believe was him feeling prematurely safe during the front-loaded opening weekend.
'Biased critics', you say? Shocking. If only everybody could have the impartiality and journalistic integrity of fucking MundaneMatt. #ethicsinfilmcriticism
Almost all mainstream movies get embargoed reviews until a few days before they're released.
When I first heard Warner was making a Suicide Squad movie, I was predisposed favorably toward it, especially when I heard Harley Quinn was going to be in it, and played by Margot Robbie, who I still think was an excellent choice. of course, I felt similarly to Batman vs Superman when that was first announced.
Unfortunately I grew to hate Suicide Squad because the aesthetic struck me as ugly. As soon as they released the promo photo of Leto's Joker, I was completely off on the movie. This was compounded when I saw the look they made for Harley.
I was never convinced one way or the other if the movie would succeed, but I wanted it to fail.
The reviews made Suicide Squad sound just as much fun as Batman v Superman - which convinced me that I have better things to spend my money on.
The biggest issue with Suicide Squad is the writing. The actual Squad consisted of seven characters, one of which was pretty generic solider, and they killed off a potentially interesting character to show that the threat of death through head explosion was serious. Two of the seven person group kind of hogged most the spotlight, a third got a bit of it which proved pointless and the other four were give very little in terms of actual relevance. The put the Joker in the ads, which boarders on false advertising for the amount of screen time he has, and the ending just sucked.
It's not as bad as Cat Woman, no idea about F4 since I won't see it, but the rushed writing shows.
This is such a great channel. Keep it up!
Rotten Tomatoes is such an arbitrary, stupid "black-and-white-and-nothing-in-between" way of measuring film scores. I have no idea why anyone takes any notice of it.
Great job guys, looking forward to watch more videos !
I'm interested to hear what you guys think of Suicide Squad. I know the reviews from critics are bad but from what I've seen from the UA-cam movie reviewers it's been fairly positive. I wonder if the critics have some sort of hate for DC films or WB in general. Still going to go watch Suicide Squad on Monday.
I just hope that this won't set a precedens for other DC movies. Because they may be box office failures, but at least they are coherent movies. This info about the troubled production gave a lick of hope that they will prefer to make the movie as intended instead of hastily recuting it at the last moment, because it still does not work.
The whole mess began with cramming three movies worth of content into one Batman vs Superman film. So if the studio still doesn't understand what they did wrong, there is very little hope for the DC movie franchise. Just give people a Afleck Batman movie and forget about the rest _(or you could ask Marvel for some help)_.
What lead to the problems at Warner? Cheapness. Warner chose Snyder to direct MoS because he had made 300 for cheap and it made a ton of money. They wanted to get someone that would do that, make a movie under budget and make money. Remember that is the reason Josh Trank was picked for Fant4stick, he made Chronicles for nothing and it looked great. But what is required for independant movies doesn't always go well for big mainstream movies. Guys like Trank and Snyder should never do big blockbusters for a general audience. They have different sensibilities than most people gravitates to. MoS got mixed reviews. Instead of picking another director, they stuck with Snyder for both Justice League movies and being the guy to lead the DCCU and here we are.
I wonder if WB went with a intentionally weak cut of Suicide Squad in order to "phase out" the Snyder/DC franchise.
It saddens me to see that greed, big egos and fear mandate the creative processes of WB made superhero films because there is much potential in DC and Marvel's Fantastic 4 and Spiderman, but these people just seem to fuck it up to the point I don't want to watch anything in my genre's of interests if it bares their WB brand on it. The viewer doesn't care about contracts. They should've just continued from Nolan's Batman trilogy. Only the storyline with the joker would've been the most tricky part, but that's up to good casting and daring to take a chance.
Instead of RISES, they should have done a movie to introduce Robin, some DC films, such as a Superman that isn't dower, no Green Lantern 2011, and then maybe a DARK KNIGHT RETURNS adaptation, in order to a Justice League movie. And maybe a Nightwing movie so that they could allow the possibility for a live action TEEN TITANS movie and have Deathstroke as the villain (since they don't have to call him by Slade like what they had to do in the 2003 series).
+Brandon Dozier by introduce Robin I do mean a 3rd Batman movie doesn't doesn't conclude the series but rather is about Batman recruiting and training a young Robin, as long as it isn't a remake of Batman Forever that is.
WARNER BROS it's not hiring directors or writers , they're hiring fall guys or scapegoats, just to have someone to redirect the hate on when their mess hit the fan (pun intended) , that it's the reason why zack snyder it's still there, so he can become the punching bag.
.. very disappointed w/ the suicide squad. i have been a big fan of the comic books for years. this movie is not like the comic books and that is a shame. katana and croc were completely unnecessary. what was the squad's mission? directors should look at how nolan's batmans worked. he started w/ a compelling villain and built the rest of the movie around that.
Can anyone trust Rotten tomatoes anymore, I never did to begin with but after Ghostbusers they're certified biased. Based on the trailers I don't think it's remotely possible that this movie could be any worse than Ghostbusters 2016 yet that movie has a rating of 73%...my ass!
I just realized they put Slipknot on the poster. So weird. When he shows up in the movie, I immediately thought that he was going to die. Probably because he had no backstory. He just shows up.
I think the biggest problem with DC movies is they still are trying to shoot "superhero" movies where Marvel is trying to make them into a Spy movie, a period piece or some other genre... "Superhero" movies aren't really a genre... If a film is just based on like: "Oh hey, this guy has powers" then it's just going to flop. That's a very tired concept.
I will never understand why they made it after Guardians instead of Deadpool as it should have been. The comics was a great mature fun.
I don't understand how Reviewers and critics can be so far apart when it comes to the Joker in this movie. Some say he is the best thing in it, others say he is the worst thing ever.
Suicide Squad is one of those movies where I just have to say "fuck it, I liked it."
I'm not trying to suggest that it was amazing or revolutionary, but it was a fun movie.
honestly, they should have gone with the ayer cut and more Joker. the scenes that were cut looked like it gave him, Harley and their relationship a lot more substance.
COMIC BOOK FAN BOY STANDARDS:
Hate on actors when they are first announced and when they see them in the movie claim you always love them.
Lower your expectations and settle for mediocre comic book movies instead of demanding a product deserving of your hard earn money.
Start a ridiculous fan war between brands of comic book companies to prove you are a "true comic book fan", but end up feeding into the stereotype that people have about retarded fan boys.
Blame the critics instead of the people responsible for making shitty comic book movies.
Sounds accurate.
Same thing with video games; in the 90s SEGA uses marketing to deliberately causes a console war between SEGA and Nintendo for publicity, and this continues to this day with XBONE and PS4 for no reason at all.
I just came back from Suicide Squad, with Batman v Superman I saw the problems some of the critics had, but with this movie I don't see half of the problems the critics had. It's definitely not the next Dark Knight but It at least deserves a 50% on RT. The movie is better than BvS and less boring.
Overall I would give this movie a: 7/10.
I am not convinced that the Rotten Tomato's certification is valid anymore. Ghostbusters was certified "fresh" but it is sucking at the box office. Suicide Squad is certified "rotten" and it is out performing Ghostbusters in just one week. Same for Star Trek: Beyond: certified "fresh" and getting beat by the "rotten" Suicide Squad.
How is that possible unless the certification process is crap?
1 don't even like DC movies that much, but 1 thought Suicide Squad was fun. At this point, it's kind of become a trend to just absolutely shit stomp on DC movie's flaws, while generally ignoring Marvel movie's flaws.
I disagree with one thing, though... Marvel Studios is a movie studio that makes all kinds of movies, with the common thread that they all feature Marvel characters. And that's part of their strength. It's not a matter of "Marvel movies have jokes and DC movies don't." Marvel makes these movies in the style that best suits the character, and a good character is what audiences find compelling.
Film-making: If you're in it for the money, you're in it for the wrong reason.
The movie is a mess. Warner killed it. It's more like two movies (first half is a comic book action and second half is a below average zombie movie) and collection of music clips, and the latter part is actually the best. Despite the movie being far worse than BvS, I somehow enjoyed visuals, some scenes, OST and Joker. The plot and the dialogue are complete mess though, there are so many problems with it that it's easier not to say anything about it. The humor is forced, unfunny and looks out of place (thanks, WB, for messing up the movie even further, yes). The whole thing with "friends" is pathetic and miserable, especially knowing the original comic book.
People in the cinema though seemed to like it, and I see a lot of positive reception from teenagers on the Internet.
Ghostbusters 2016 and Suicide Squad are in opocite in rotten tomatoes in critics and fan rating. the 1st was wanker by critics and hated by fans and the latter was hated by critics and liked by fans