The 2022 Honda Civic Si A Sharper & More Responsive Sport Injected Civic
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- The #HondaCivicSi has held a reputation for being an affordable sport compact that was an easy choice for enthusiast on a budget looking for reliability and fun. The latest 2022 #Honda #CivicSi continues that tradition but takes a lot of parts and influence from its big brother #CivicTypeR. It may be down on power this year, but the new #Si is more fun and less offensive looking than its previous generation.
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I've been heavily involved in Honda/Acura world for nearly 20 years. Two major issues with this car. 1 - Honda continues to strip cars to help Acura sales. They took away V6 in the Accord to help TLX sales. They took away from Si what it already had (heated seats, adaptive dampers and fog lights) to boost Integra sales (which they only made 6MT on the most expensive trim to further push you away from Si). They intentionally dumb-down engines in Hondas to boost Acura (2016 Accord Sport had same engine as the TLX 2.4 and ILX 2.4 but Accord had 189hp vs 200+ in Acura). Then there's the Canadian models. Same thing happened with the 10th Gen Accord; Sport in US was based on LX while Canadian Sport was based on EX. This current Si in Canada gets fog lights, turn signals in mirrors, heated front AND rear seats, dual climate controls, parking sensors front AND back, digital gauges, etc.). And when converted into USD, it's cheaper in Canada (26K USD vs 27K USD in US). There's absolutely no excuse to remove heated seats, adaptive dampers and fog lights that the 10th Gen had - and jack up the price while taking away what was essentially thousands of dollars worth of equipment. I could go on but you get the idea.
Couldn't have said in a better way.
My lease on 2.0T Accord 6-Speed was up and only choice I got right now is a Civic Si as Honda took away manual from Accord but I jumped off the Honda boat. Not going to pay almost same for a Si what I paid 3 years ago for a loaded Accord.
@@henrybrar I also have 2.0T 6MT. I paid $28K in 2019 for it, brand new with 2 miles on the odometer. Now it's the same price for this stripped sad excuse of a car. Honda (or Acura) has NOTHING right now that even closely interests me. The new Type R might be something I like but I expect $80-100K price once dealers get a grab of them because we all know that Honda corporate gives zero f*cks about keeping dealers from ripping people off.
@@YasssStitch My only regret is that I went to Carmax before going to Honda to buy my lease back and Carmax gave a $4500 check for it, I couldn't say no to it. I ended up getting a Gladiator Sports 6-speed and couldn't be more happy.
I like a more minimalist approach in these vehicles. I like normally aspirated and manual shifts.
As long as it's reliable, I'd buy one.
@@heithwatkins This 1.5T couldn't be more far away from NA. If you want an NA MT that's new(ish), find a 2016-2017 Accord 3.5 V6 6MT. No VCM, no turbo, no auto start/stop, real hand brake, etc. And it comes in EX-L trim which is super nice.
I'd recommend the "Blazing Orange" version of this Civic Si because the color adds 15hp.
Too bad dealers are ruining it.
In my area, 5k mark ups and no bargaining . I ended up with a GTI with more power and features for 2k under MSRP.
Honda needs to get control of these greedy dealers
Where I’m from, 5K over MSRP is low. Some people are going 10-16K over MSRP. it’s ridiculous. Thankfully they’re getting more and more Si’s now so hopefully it’ll be less expensive soon
@Adam A. Quick flash tune will fix that.
@@RubbishFPS quick way to void your warranty. With that thought, tune a GTI and it’s a beast.
My dealership was charging around 40k
I ended up paying for the base sport model for 33k total
It's insane what prices are now
@@koraegi Why would you pay that much? You’re part of the reason they are doing that!
I bought a 2013 Civic Si sedan based on your review of that car 9 years ago! It's been a long time Sofyan and I've been a loyal watcher since then! Yes the 2013 has some bad rev hang and wayyy too much body roll, but it grips like a dream. It's also got a 0-60 in the 6.5 second range. My lifetime average mpg is about 28 and the highway I get 32 easily, but if you really hypermile it you can get 37. These new turbo engines aren't worth the headache, which is a shame because I think the new chassis and shifter setup is much much better. I'd love to take my K24 and an analogue gauge cluster and swap it into the new Si. Best of Both Worlds.
I love this car but I can’t bring myself to buy one without all the features that the Canadian version gets. There’s no excuse for the US market to get the short end of the stick while being more expensive than the Canadian version. It seems trivial but it just doesn’t feel good paying more money for less features. Add the heated seats, fog lights, etc. and I’d buy it.
Agreed. I've wanted an SI since I was a teenager, now I can finally easily afford one, and they wreck it. I could get the Integra, but the model you really want is pushing $40k if you put some cool bits on it. Honda managed to ruin TWO cars at once.
@@joelpeterson2074 I still think the US si is a great value. People are doom and gloom here, but the product is still really solid. take a test drive
Pretty sure the refresh will do it for the US MARKET
@@Jumperman12mac I really hope so, and I’m keeping my options open. Unless of course the Type R just blows me away, and maybe I’ll just jump to that. Or there is always the GR Corolla.
Same
Saw one in person, it looks great. It should be an all around good car.
I love that Honda made the belt-line low with big windows which will provide excellent visibility.
The trend has always been to raise the belt-line and put smaller and smaller windows.
You can't even rest your elbow on the door with the window down on most cars nowadays.
The belt line is still very high compared to a 90s Honda Civic/Accord.
@@braetonwilson4296 Yes but for a modern car it's excellent. The Civic and the Camry are the only cars that lowered the belt line compared to their predecessors.
I used to think manufacturers kept raising the belt line for safety but then realized it's just cheaper for them to put smaller windows (less glass) and it also 'looks sleek'
@@ArgedisGreat point. Like you, I much prefer a lower beltline.
Last month I drove this, a GTI, Jetta GLI,, Veloster N, and a WRX. Bought this.
The ride/fun/practically/price combination is what sold me. I like rhe Si's handling the best.
Love all your videos 💪🏼
It looks way better than the 10th gen. When the 2023 type r is unveiled i hope you get the chance to review because its going to be highly anticipated by many people and probably answering some of the questions below.
1. Will the new type r come with the a spare tire?
2. Does the type r come with a DCT transmission option?
3. Can it driven on a long road trip comfortably because on bucket seats especially for tall people like me can get severe lower back pain due to bolstering?
4. Will honda incorporate a bigger fuel tank then the previous gen like 50 litre tank to prevent filling more often especially long distance driving?
5. Can you guys do a comparison between the 10th gen and the 11th gen? and give us your pros and cons but also the entire Redline Review crew to give the viewers a whole perspective plus it will be a unique video for the channel.
Great review and keep the awesome work.
Alternative title: "Why you should buy an Integra"
Hate how these companies punish you for getting a sport model. They cut almost all niceities out of the car for what reason?
So glad w/ my choice to pick up a SGP SI.
Will be the beginning of another part of my enthusiast journey
Excellent review. Hey Honda, Central New England winter: need heated seats....my 2017 Si has them, and they are a joy.
Love all.your car reviews you do. How can I do what you do to test these cars for a week. I need a new thing to do since I'm a car enthusiast it fits me
I own a 2022 Rallye Red civic sport 2.0 great little commuter car, Adds some kick when you put it in Sport mode.
Thought about the SI but chose the Forte GT2 because of all the features it had over the SI at a lower cost. SI is still a he'll of a car!
I’d have to get the red exterior. There’s so much red injected into the interior that a clashing exterior color would piss me off lol
Omg send my your music playlist, your music is amazing!!
I think the Si would be much more desirable as a hatchback. I guess they want more differentiation between the Type R and Si
Do the gauges both go blank when you turn the car off? Then it’s fully digital, whether or not both sides have variable info displayed. Youths today have never seen actual analog gauges.
Wow, it’s almost as fast as my Accord Hybrid
Before Honda ditches the manual transmission, they should experiment with the Si & Type R and create a Hatchback Si & Sedan Type R 👀
Just got my sonic grey SI. It’s worth the extra 6 grand markup. It’s better than the 2010 Audi TT 2.0T, The 2014 passat CC VR6 4 motion or any other car I owned in the last 15 years. And yes I buy my cars new. The feel you get in this car is fantastic. Everything feels awesome. Steering, shifting and handling are a treat. Mpg is like no other in this segment. Truly love this car.
does is feel underpowered?
$6k markup 😬😬😬 Still bad but honestly on the lower end of Si markup I've seen around.
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@@jd2890 not for me, although I have not put the pedal to the metal yet. Breaking it in. It’s got enough pep for some fun.
If you paid a $6k Markup you could've gotten an elantra N. Way more sport oriented and much better car for the money
I love your channel, but I've been noticing a lot of compression and pixilation no matter the quality I pick...food for thought.
Honda needs to due what that did for the RDX and offer a SI with touring package to address those issues.
Did they get rid of the temp guage?
This is awesome and I love the MT, but I would love to see a DCT offered
They'll never do it. Acura should've put the DCT in the Integra since that's a luxury car and should have that vs CVT
Are Civics for "people on a budget"? I would say they're just for normal people. Most people can't drop the money for an M3 or whatever. Half the appeal of this car is that it has a Honda engine, which means it's very reliable and not a gas-hog.
this car is huge for the compact class.
Wish it was a hatch. Wish that spoiler was body colored. Wish it had a manual parking brake.
I'm OK with fewer amenities for budget performance.
I want one and hope they don't become too heavily marked up because I think that would kill an otherwise ideal budget performance car.
I don’t know man, as much as I want to love the Honda/ Acura brand it’s been so disappointing for me lately. Less HP and less features than the previous generation SI, but more expensive? Come on Honda. I don’t have much hope for the type R/S.
What the civic si needs is heated/ driver powered seats, more power like a 250hp engine would be a nice sweet spot and a more aggressive interior to make it stand out
I have this exact car and color, I love it
I love the design. Looks so much better than the Acura
Little late to the party on this one. Went to buy this 22 si 3weeks ago, but apparently all 22’s are sold and spoken for. Put a deposit down but need to wait 4-6 months for the 23. I’m in Ontario 🇨🇦
How much deposit should you put for the 23?
@@japofe1696 I put 500
What’s the best daily a 2022 Civic SI, VW GTI, GR86 or a used Camaro SS?
I’ve had both a 2017 GTI and an 2020 86. Gti is probably the most practical as far as balancing performance and practicality. That being said the 2022 gti interior looks very nice but the touch screen makes me very hesitant to recommend it. The 86 I owned was a blast to own and I actually miss it. The only downside was the stiffness of the suspension On my commute I drive over some pretty terrible roads and it got uncomfortable for me sometimes. As of recently I’ve been looking into the SI for a seemingly nice balance of performance, practicality, safety, and fuel economy.
2022 elantra N
Do a video of why different versions of same car in different markets. What drives the business model for saying stripping certain features like cooled seats in USA version and not in Canadian version.
The break-in period is completely ignored in press cars. How are these sold after the reviewers abuse them?
how do you make the sunroof tilt open rather than open all the way?
The rear door panels as well as the rear door inserts not matching the front one is completely unacceptable and my God how much more money would it have really added to the car to have the same material there!
I was shopping between the SI and a WRX. I ended up getting a WRX a bit under msrp, the SI's were being marked up by dealerships around me .
I wish they had taken the hood cut lines down to the headlamps (same with the Integra). I’m not sure why all manufacturers are doing this, perhaps pedestrian safety?
Excellent video
Excellent car
Sofyan’s reviews are always my first stop by I don’t know why he’s comparing the civic si to a luxury brand, I’d like to see how it compares to other entry level compact sedans.
If Honda and Acura isn't going to have imbedded maps/GPS in the Civic Si, Civic Type R, Integra A-Spec Technology Package, and the upcoming Integra Type S, the least they could is give Waze standard in place of a factory maps/GPS. Everybody knows Waze drains the hell out of your cell phone battery. Having Waze on the HondaLink Infotainment System and AcuraLink Infotainment System would be super beneficial.
I’m in between this, an Elantra N and a 23MY type r.
Can't wait to see the dealerships add 15k to the MSRP cause why not.
Love my Cdn Si. Enough power, a capable drivers car and fantastic economy.
The 10th Gen Si was a blast to drive. How is this one almost a full second slower with the same motor and less weight?
How does this compare to GR Corolla?
You the best 👌
It's almost like Honda is allergic to customer's money. I got a 2015 TLX but I'm ditching Honda/Acura in the future for greener pastures.
Didn't you already review the 2022 Civic Si like 7 months ago?
I started looking at one year old ones but it looks like for about 1,700 more I can be in a brand new one!
I wish they put this engine in the fit. Or a tiny roadster.
The Canadian spec also has Built in shift lights
According to dyno’s this car actually makes quite a bit more power then it claims, like 220 hp range at the crank. Also with an updated twin scroll turbo and VTEC now offered it spools 500 rpm sooner and holds a steadier torque curve
Who cares? It’s still about the same performance wise as a Civic Sport. The 0-60 times are identical. This car is kinda pointless.
Trash... 86 and BRZ are much faster
@@kobedabest as much as I'd rather have a honda you're not lying
@@delibrain916 pretty much chose a coupe or a sedan. that is all
@@DJPleasureSeekingMissle according to C&D it’s half a second quicker, which is over a car length and is pretty good for the power advantage it has. Regardless, 0-60 times don’t tell the whole story. I’m sure in a roll it’s substantially quicker as it spools faster and has a much broader torque curve. Mod for mod the bigger, better turbo and the better flowing engine means the Si will make quite a bit more power with basic bolt ons, which is the whole reason you own a car like this…
Also the sport models use the non turbo engine. so this is closer to 50 HP more.
i know alot of people have been complaining about the 1.5turbo reliability problems
Do a video on Canadian version . Has much more content than US version . It will get people complaining to Honda and get Honda to add equipment to US model.
there's also something known as tax and import and pricing cars with respect to purchasing power, gti in Canada is some 5000 US dollars cheaper in direct conversion rate, same with Elantra, alot cheaper in Canada. But Civic si is only 300 USD cheaper because they added extra equipment on it instead of making it ridiculously cheap in Canada like other car makers, convert prices of gti and elantra in Canada yourself and you'll know what I'm saying
Sorry Redline but 0-60 in 6.5sec is a straight up lie, especially when others are getting like 7.4-7.5 on their best runs.
@Kimetsu87 - and then a Kona EV lines up beside the Si and smokes it…not right, Honda, not at all.
I love this car so much but I refuse to pay that ridiculous markup which is 10K on average. For that type of money I could get a older model Dodge Durango.
Imagine the horn sound be a deal-breaker to one :| 9:16
The Si is solid, but for the money I don't feel like it's much better than the Elantra N-Line or Forte GT, and those offer a 7 SPD DCT. If the Acura Integra does come out with. 2.0t with at least WRX power at 271 HP and an available 10 SPD from the Accord instead of the CVT, I'd consider it. As of now, if I'm shopping this class I'd probably just spend 26k for the Forte GT. I'd throw in the Jetta GLI for conversation, but their reliability is so poor I wouldn't consider the VW.
The forte comes very well equipped for that price, especially the GT2
@@steviewanderer5109 yes sir, I drove a 2020 GT around for about a week. Feels like a 6.5 second to 60 car, and handles well. Hard plastics on the doors are my only knock on the interior
GLI has been reliable for years. You thinking of the 90s?
@@cloudstrifex88 I can only speak from personal experience. I have two co-workers that have GLI's a 2017 and 2020 respectfully, and both have been riddled with problems. Also, I have owned and/or leased a 2003 Audi A4 1.8t and a 2014 2.0t and both had electrical problems, tail lights going out frequently, intake valve problems, burning excessive oil. coworkers 2017 Jetta GLI front axle assembly had to be replaced at approximately 60k miles. Perhaps overall they're okay, but my own experience and people I have known that had them within the past couple decades all complained they were money pits and will never get a VW product myself. Sad, because I like the way their products look and drive and would love to get a pre-owned S5, but I won't touch them just because of having to see and/or deal with the mechanical nightmares.
@@lions208436 2017 was before they got put on the MQB platform. I've not heard of any major GLI issues on the forums in recent memory. I personally have a 2018 Passat GT that has 40k miles on the old NMS platform with the VR6 DSG combo and it's had a few minor issues but all covered under the 6 year 72k warranty so it was no big deal. Wife had a 2015 Jetta 1.8t with 65k miles and didn't have a single issue other than replacing the standard brakes and tires. She traded it in for a 2021 Tiguan and has not had any issues either. I think the major issues can still happen but are pretty rare. But their reliability has massively improved since the early 2000s
I wish Honda packed the same features that they have in the sport touring Model into the SI !! 😢
jack of all trades, master of none
We have the 2022 SI in Canada here. It’s silly to see how very much is included on the CAN version over the US version. Heated seats/ steering wheel, shift lights, dual climate. Wireless charging…. Not sure why they didn’t make them both the same. I think they also cost less after conversion too. I dunno. 🤷🏼♂️
Civic is probably Honda Canadas most important product it the best selling sedan for over 25 years
old news
there's also something known as tax and import and pricing cars with respect to purchasing power, gti in Canada is some 5000 US dollars cheaper in direct conversion rate, same with Elantra, alot cheaper in Canada. But Civic si is only 300 USD cheaper because they added extra equipment on it instead of making it ridiculously cheap in Canada like other car makers. Just look at Canada's golf and Elantra prices and convert them to USD, youll see the huge price difference. Like Do you actually even live in Canada, this happens with many cars there? Did you not know about that before?
Red seat belts = 5 horsepower?
Honda has not failed to disappoint the last few years.
Easy to learn manual on this? 👀
It’s a shame because the US spec Si has always been based off the EX and the Canadian Si is based off the Touring which is why they have so many more options on it compared to the US
Kinda dumb to have a different spec for Canada IMO. Maybe you could get to the bottom of that and get Honda to share there reasons why. Its a good looking car that looks fun to drive with a real manual and can make decent fuel economy when you need it. Too bad its slow and doesn't rev out but its a Honda and its affordable.
I finally saw this Si in person I was not impressed but it might grow on me I'll give it more time
EDITED: Can it pass the Moose Test?
I have 06 civic ex coupe and 08 CRV ex. I love them. After these cars I don’t think I will buy a Honda again. I not a fan of CVT. My next car is Mazda.
Makes me want to sell my 2008 SI…
The 8th gen will forever remain the best
The last true Si
Any chance Honda is planning to release a strong EV civic SI and that's why they have been sleeping for years?
Japan had a national mandate to develop hydrogen power. Now they are finally turning their power to EV
The perfect SI came with a K20 more than a decade ago.
I have to wait for the second rendition of this car because they felt the need to cripple it, no fog lights? Like what lol
They lost me at the 1.5L motor.
If you’re waiting 2 months from July 6th for the Type R reveal, you’re gonna be really late to the party.
1:31 VTEC is on the exhaust side.
Didn't he post a si video already?
led lights will be expensive to replace.....i dont care about exterior lights, i dont see them anyway when im driving LOL
One color, wth! Civic red always hot.
Gloss interior trim, when will they learn? It's just not necessary in a car that is so practical. Love how you always wish they added those extra cost "options" when vehicle costs are already ridiculous. Classic reviewer wish list creep.
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the 1.5 is a ticking time bomb if you drive them hard. Heard of people blowing through clutches with no aftermarket performance upgrades!
Head gaskets suck on the 1.5t
Are all turboed cars ticking time bombs or just Honda's? Honda has been making turbo engines longer than you have been alive. Dumbcauf!
@@notoymotor4me64 1.5 is probably one of the worst motors honda has designed... ask any tuner. the heads flow like shit, the rods are super weak, the pistons are brittle, the main bearings are susceptible to premature wear with even modest increases in torque. The head gaskets blow at like 260 WHP..... the stock clutch is trash.... This is the reality of the 1.5. I am a fucking honda fanboy through and through. None of this, except for the flow of the heads, is true about the comparably new 2.0t. The new K20c is pretty damn decent at holding extra power, and the 10at is also very solid. The 1.5 is an eco engine and that is all it will ever be.
@@JJ-yu I appreciate the detailed reply. Honda should have known that these engines would be modded and should have been more robust. I apologize.
My 2019 Civic Si 4-dr is the best car ever. Not sure subsequent years lived up to the early ones.
If it had all the things the Integra has, and whatever else he's complaining it doesn't have, it wouldn't be a 27,000 dollar car. They had to compromise something to offer everything it actually does have, such as all the safety features that higher line models have for the price they sell it for. And the true mileage the car gets is actually better than what they advertise. In town I'm getting 32 and on the highway I get 44 with the cruise set on 74. I don't know what's wrong with the car they gave him. I run 89 in mine with no knocks even in sport mode. I bought the car because I wanted a new Honda, at the top of my list of wants was a manual transmission , and it was what they had on the lot. These days, you buy what you find thats in your price range , because you're lucky to find anything at all, new or used.
My car guys peeped the curb rash ? Lol
Why would they come out with a new model and do absolutely nothing with the engine. Smart move. 200 hp for the past 20 years. Cool.
Honda/Acura has lost me with their Marketing Decisions - so I'm going to keep my 2019 ILX A-Spec with the DC Auto and currently 23,000 miles. I'm beginning to think that Honda should cancel the Acura Brand and just go with Honda in the USA the way things are going. Putting a 1.5L engine with a CVT in any Acura is NOT "Precision Crafted Performance" - it pure Marketing
Big slow mini accord. I was daily 8th gen 09 civic si b4 i switched to my bike because insane fuel cost. And that is what an si is, snd my civic is intake exhaust eibach springs and handles great, revs to 8400rpm vtec screams . With run with wrx and sti cars all day. From a roll and is ok on fuel and looks good. Not yo mention weighs hundreds of lbs less and has same hp with alot less tq. Hard pass for me on this crap. If i wanted to buy new sport compact I'd go with a Hyundai product . Much more powerful cars for the $$ and all the same tech. Now id take my accord 2.0t exl over all them lol
Honda has been disappointing.
@@mengdynasty6034 accord def is not bro its great car, and the type R is dope but thats about the gist of it tbh. Odyssey is supposed to be very good also and rdx and mdx are decent
@@delibrain916 I agree that all they have now is the CTR and 2.0t accord. The new Si has just been so underwhelming when compared to the competition . I was hoping they would throw the 2.0t in the Si.
This is actually lighter than an 8th gen this weighs 2906 pounds
I love your channel Sophyan BUT, here comes my big but… throughout the video you state that you expect more features in the Si. The Si starts at around $28k and if we go back to what the Si from yesteryears brought was that: simplicity and relative performance on a budget. A 1989 Si was sold new for about $12k back then and when you factor inflation guess what, it is about $28k of today’s money! How do we expect manufacturers to keep prices relatively affordable if we want our cars with everything on them? 🤷🏻♂️
How about a civic si wagon
A lot of people will hate me for this but here I go. Honda give us a DCT every competitor does and the integra has it just put it in the SI
Except the Integra does NOT have a DCT. The two transmission options in the new Integra are a CVT or a six speed manual.
@@sawyermartin4434 yea my bad got confused
Fun fact: Si does not stand for Sport Injected. It actually stand for Stratified Injection, a then-new technology back in the 80's.
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I thought the Type R's horn was bad...🤦♂
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Adaptive dampers, dual climate control, heated seats, fog lights, wireless phone charging…all things my 2020 Si coupe has that this car doesn’t. Should I just call it an Acura Integra?