Agree on all 4 points. Here's a fifth for me: at 60, I've lost interest in large venues due to price, parking, and incivility. My last 4 concerts were in 4k or fewer-seat venues and I was in the 1st 5 rows. Getting old, I guess!
I agree with everything you said. My main change now that I'm older, I no longer care about what other people may think of what I listen to. I missed out on so much great music because my friends said that it sucks or it was uncool.
And the opposite for me too, as a teenager in the 1990s I listened to some bands/artists that I now think are rubbish just because my friends/peer group thought it was great and it was cool.
Couldn’t you have listened to what you wanted and just not told your friends? That is one thing I never gave a crap about. I like what I like and if anybody has a problem with it they can kiss my ass.
@@user-zq5eb2hj9o I was not a very confident teenager and was trying to fit in with a new friend group. Yes, I did hide a bit. It quickly changed after I left school life as well. To be fair, my friends did get me into a lot of music that I still love and listen to, so it wasn't all bad.
@@user-zq5eb2hj9o I did do that as well, just not very often looking back on it. Being an unconfident, spotty teenager did not help. I just wanted to fit in somewhere. My friends (which were new) did introduce me to a lot of music that I still listen to today, so it wasn't all bad.
Gore lyrics don’t bother me nearly as much as misogynistic lyrics. Or any lyrics that seem to support violence Of an album is recorded well and sounds good, I don’t care past that. Bad production will still ruin an album (Redeemer of Souls, I’m looking at you) I’m still a guitar guy, I’m just not as elitist about it. I’ll listen to some keyboard based music (Mortiis) but nothing feels as good to ME as a guitar riff
Like you I grew up mostly listening to hard rock and metal, but liked a few other music types I was exposed to on MTV like Eurythmics and Adam Ant. Once I got to college I really got into experimental music via Eno. I listened to a variety of noisy, dissonant music and developed an elitist attitudes towards more straightforward music. Nowadays I appreciate simpler melodic songs with a more conventional structure. I can still appreciate some experimental music but really can’t tolerate extremely noisy music.
I know im late to the party nut agree with you especially the last one i have record players that are great but i got free same with big fisher 70 s speakers upgraded yhe nreedle on them but if there not perfect o well same with cassettes cds bought stuff at Goodwill for cdd just fine for under20.00 im with you i dont ho buying a album ,5 pressing of it dpending$$$ then i font enjoy it my taste have changed too used like all hard rock now more variety not just rock and to😊great points
It doesn’t hurt that we generally agree, of course. But even when I disagree with you on this channel or your Sabbath and AC/DC podcasts, I always think what you say is thoughtful and measured.
@@LairoftheAlchemist I listen to nontraditional metal like Gothic Metal or Female Fronted such as The Gathering, Ulver, Therion, Rain Fell Within, Autumn Tears, Virgin Black, Abonos, etc. I also listen to 60s/70s Garage Rock and Psychedelic Rock such as Velvet Underground, Nico, John Cale, The Poppy Family, early pre-Ziggy Bowie, etc. I also listen to English/British Folk Rock such as Pentangle, Steeleye Span, The Trees, Fairport Convention, Young Tradition, etc. I also listen to Early Music(Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque) such as David Munrow, Alfred, Deller, Musica Reservata, Les Menestriers, Miroslav Venhoda, Konrad Ruhland, Thomas Binkley, etc. I also listen to ethnic music such as Albanian and Greek Folk Music like Domna Samiou, Georgia Mittaki, Giorgios Papasideris, Milton Stamos, Anna Karabesini, etc.
One thing on sound quality these days is pitch. Wings of Pegasus is on this lately, letting us know that what we hear isn’t actual, and is adjusted to sound perfect, meaning a live performance compared to the album version. Not a big deal to me.
The points others have made about as we grow older, enjoying what we enjoy with no apologies or trying to impress others, or gaining the acceptance of others particularly from people we may not even know. Lately, I’ve gone down this rabbit hole of seeking out the B, C, and D list 80’s era hair bands. I long ago picked all the low hanging fruit (the Ratt’s, the Motley’s, the Dokken’s, etc.) and man, I’m having so much fun unearthing many bands who may only have put out one album in the early 90’s as grunge broke and snuffed out this kind of music. As I’ve gotten older, my financial means have allowed me to gobble up some of these more obscure albums and I feel like a kid in a candy store!
I was never wedded to one type of music growing up in the 70s, and had no peer pressure to like certain stuff either, but there were bands and artists that passed me by for no particular reason, and it's great being able to go back and catch up with some of those in recent years. As for lyrics, I don't get why Ian Gillan is still writing sexist drivel, like on the new Deep Purple album, it's embarrassing (not all the songs are like that, but still), and what's more embarrassing is all the UA-cam reviewers who are 50+ not batting an eye.
it is great that you can change views and openly admit it, many people are just too egotistic to do this even if it is just related to their music taste, some band they like, whatever. although I mean even if they do not say it openly, just changing view for the better and opening the mind is good enough in my book. when I started listening to music as a kid I could not listen to extreme music, be it growls or super fast, super low tuning, it all sounded like noise. it took me a couple of years and some 'ear training' to be able to not only appreciate let say death metal but to actually love it. many things like that. some i did not completely change but learned to tolerate. for example wind instruments I generally do not like to this day. It's not like I'll be attending a bagpipe concert any time soon but you know I grew to enjoy AC/DC's long way to the top for example.
A lot of modern "metal" (should it really be called metal? It doesn't sound like Priest, Maiden, Metallica or Sabbath) does not have history, fantasy or religious themes. It's just a heavier, nastier version of 3rd wave emo and hardcore. A lot of songs about pop culture, love & heartbreak. A lot of them are now glorified noisy pop bands with guitars. Poor harmonics, melody or in some cases, both are absent. In many ways I'm the opposite of you: I couldn't stand old school rock and metal because I was such a massive 3rd emo/2000s Brit indie/2nd wave metalcore bandwagoner. I was obsessed with heaviness and anger being cranked to the max. But for the bands I still listen to, I'll never stop listening to Opeth, Death, At The Gates, Bolt Thrower, Carcass, August Burns Red, Pantera, Architects and Bleed From Within. We're very lucky that heavy metal gained traction when guitar music was on top of the charts in the 70s. The likes of Draconian, Children of Bodom, Within Temptation, Epica and Nightwish deserve credit. It's a shame music execs pushed hard in favour of the likes of Nirvana, Blur & Oasis. That band more or less ushered today's era of rock/metal era of endless introspection and/or chaotic angst.
You mentioned Reggae and Punk so Bob Marley , Burning Spear , Bad Brains ? .. and as a parent do or did you ever monitor kids music choices due to lyrics ? My Wife and I did up until ages 13 maybe 14
I like all those bands. No, I never monitored my kids music because honestly they never really listened to anything offensive. My daughter likes electronic dance music and my son likes 90s grunge and pop punk.
for me and it still stands since I was a teen , no melody and vocals that sound like the neighbours dog is puking up a boot .., no thanks .., and I cant stand nu metal .., as well as over produced schlock rock .., lastly ANY music that has fans largely who think they are listening to something so great you wont get it and if you dont like it you are not smart enough to get it ..., ie Dream Theater , Frank Zappa
I can totally agree with you on the gore and that, it's disturbing to me seeing people getting tortured and/or killed. I remember years ago watching that hostel film and feeling repulsed and my first thought was whoever made this film has to be a very sick twisted person.
recognizable thoughts, John. But to what point can you stand some lyrics? Is Slayer too agressive and gory? Personally I also dont like Death metal lyrics, but when gory and ultra violent lyrics serve a purpose, like Cattle Decapitation, I love them. They are born out of hatred for violence! When I was a teenager my metal had to be underground. Nowadays I do not care and live unknown acts as much as the big ones.
I was specifically thinking about violent lyrics directed at women, like what you hear from early Cannibal Corpse. Or if it something violent but directed at someone. If it's just crazy gory lyrics I'm kinda' ok with that.
interesting topic: is there a misogynistic tendency in some metal, especially cover art? for example: Savage Grace, Master of Disguise or Killer, Ready for Hell). what are your opinions?
@@hanswijgergangs6636 Yeah, for sure there is, some of it is done with humor but again, as I've aged, had kids and stuff it's harder to find that kind of stuff funny.
Now that I have some minor ear issues, I appreciate better sound quality because it bothers my ears less. In the past I didn’t care and would just crank it louder. But I do not obsess over it. Other than that, in the last couple of years I have appreciated more 70’s rock or classic rock whatever you want to call it. I listen med to that as a teenager but I got so tired of it I took a 30 year break from listening to stop like zeppelin or the who or the Stones etc.. Other than that, I pretty much like what o always did but can appreciate some more forms of rock and metal. I am also not into gore, but I do listen to a lot of death metal. I just never paid much attention to lyrics and half the time you can’t understand what they are saying which is fine with me 😁
I can relate too all these points as well. The only thing that I miss from my youth years is that I was frequently getting goosebumps while listening to particular sections of songs for the first time (repeated times in some cases). For instance, Child in Time, Stairway to Heaven, Battle Hymns, Fight Fire with Fire, Herencia Letal, What Love Can Be, etc to name a few. I know that it is a personal thing, but probably everyone felt it once in their lives with any other great song. The thing is that this kind of experience became rare with age. The last time I got goosebumps in the new millennium was discovering Tool with Schism and re-discovering Pink Floyd with The Great Gig in the Sky. By the way, I also couldn't stand prog! I didn't have any patience to sit through long songs.... thank god I'd learn to love progressive music :) Ps: Do you remember the last time you got goosebumps while listening to a song for the first time?
I agree John, I can't stand the filthy lyrics . I can't help to hear the lyrics , even if I try to ignore them . Music should be uplifting regardless of the musical genre.
About a decade ago I had access to a great stereo system and a mix table and equalizer and stuff and would listen to some of my records on that, but in the end I was spending more time focusing on the amount of bass or treble and trying to find the right "sound" for each record that I wasn't enjoying the music anymore. I'm back to a good (not great) simple stereo system with a rather flat eq where I can just enjoy my lp's, cd's and mp3's. Same for extreme violence (although if it has a second degree humour, then it's okay), and certainly sexism, bullying, racism, sexual orientation, etc...tolerance is really what we need imo. I really cringe when I hear some lyrics that I thought were cool back in the day, or wasn't paying attention to them (I love Kiss, but come on...). I've always been open to different types of music, as a teenager I was a metalhead but (secretly) was listening to New Wave and Funk...All genres are great, I don't like them all, but there's good stuff everywhere. Great topic. Rock on.
Great points. I personally hate the new death metal trash with those dumb ass cookie monster growls
Agree on all 4 points. Here's a fifth for me: at 60, I've lost interest in large venues due to price, parking, and incivility. My last 4 concerts were in 4k or fewer-seat venues and I was in the 1st 5 rows. Getting old, I guess!
Check out the video I did on "Why I"m Done With Big Concerts", I feel the same as you.
I agree with everything you said. My main change now that I'm older, I no longer care about what other people may think of what I listen to. I missed out on so much great music because my friends said that it sucks or it was uncool.
And the opposite for me too, as a teenager in the 1990s I listened to some bands/artists that I now think are rubbish just because my friends/peer group thought it was great and it was cool.
Couldn’t you have listened to what you wanted and just not told your friends?
That is one thing I never gave a crap about. I like what I like and if anybody has a problem with it they can kiss my ass.
@@user-zq5eb2hj9o I was not a very confident teenager and was trying to fit in with a new friend group. Yes, I did hide a bit. It quickly changed after I left school life as well. To be fair, my friends did get me into a lot of music that I still love and listen to, so it wasn't all bad.
@@CF-oe1ti I'm guessing in general u probably care less about what people think about you and u would be correct to have this attitude.
@@user-zq5eb2hj9o I did do that as well, just not very often looking back on it. Being an unconfident, spotty teenager did not help. I just wanted to fit in somewhere. My friends (which were new) did introduce me to a lot of music that I still listen to today, so it wasn't all bad.
Gore lyrics don’t bother me nearly as much as misogynistic lyrics. Or any lyrics that seem to support violence
Of an album is recorded well and sounds good, I don’t care past that. Bad production will still ruin an album (Redeemer of Souls, I’m looking at you)
I’m still a guitar guy, I’m just not as elitist about it. I’ll listen to some keyboard based music (Mortiis) but nothing feels as good to ME as a guitar riff
Like you I grew up mostly listening to hard rock and metal, but liked a few other music types I was exposed to on MTV like Eurythmics and Adam Ant. Once I got to college I really got into experimental music via Eno. I listened to a variety of noisy, dissonant music and developed an elitist attitudes towards more straightforward music. Nowadays I appreciate simpler melodic songs with a more conventional structure. I can still appreciate some experimental music but really can’t tolerate extremely noisy music.
I know im late to the party nut agree with you especially the last one i have record players that are great but i got free same with big fisher 70 s speakers upgraded yhe nreedle on them but if there not perfect o well same with cassettes cds bought stuff at Goodwill for cdd just fine for under20.00 im with you i dont ho buying a album ,5 pressing of it dpending$$$ then i font enjoy it my taste have changed too used like all hard rock now more variety not just rock and to😊great points
Man, I just love your enthusiasm and honesty.
Thanks, I appreciate that!
It doesn’t hurt that we generally agree, of course. But even when I disagree with you on this channel or your Sabbath and AC/DC podcasts, I always think what you say is thoughtful and measured.
@@LairoftheAlchemist I listen to nontraditional metal like Gothic Metal or Female Fronted such as The Gathering, Ulver, Therion, Rain Fell Within, Autumn Tears, Virgin Black, Abonos, etc.
I also listen to 60s/70s Garage Rock and Psychedelic Rock such as Velvet Underground, Nico, John Cale, The Poppy Family, early pre-Ziggy Bowie, etc.
I also listen to English/British Folk Rock such as Pentangle, Steeleye Span, The Trees, Fairport Convention, Young Tradition, etc.
I also listen to Early Music(Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque) such as David Munrow, Alfred, Deller, Musica Reservata, Les Menestriers, Miroslav Venhoda, Konrad Ruhland, Thomas Binkley, etc.
I also listen to ethnic music such as Albanian and Greek Folk Music like Domna Samiou, Georgia Mittaki, Giorgios Papasideris, Milton Stamos, Anna Karabesini, etc.
One thing on sound quality these days is pitch. Wings of Pegasus is on this lately, letting us know that what we hear isn’t actual, and is adjusted to sound perfect, meaning a live performance compared to the album version. Not a big deal to me.
The points others have made about as we grow older, enjoying what we enjoy with no apologies or trying to impress others, or gaining the acceptance of others particularly from people we may not even know.
Lately, I’ve gone down this rabbit hole of seeking out the B, C, and D list 80’s era hair bands. I long ago picked all the low hanging fruit (the Ratt’s, the Motley’s, the Dokken’s, etc.) and man, I’m having so much fun unearthing many bands who may only have put out one album in the early 90’s as grunge broke and snuffed out this kind of music. As I’ve gotten older, my financial means have allowed me to gobble up some of these more obscure albums and I feel like a kid in a candy store!
Ok, you're not into brutal slam death metal or films like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre/Friday the 13th, we all have preferences 🤙
I was never wedded to one type of music growing up in the 70s, and had no peer pressure to like certain stuff either, but there were bands and artists that passed me by for no particular reason, and it's great being able to go back and catch up with some of those in recent years. As for lyrics, I don't get why Ian Gillan is still writing sexist drivel, like on the new Deep Purple album, it's embarrassing (not all the songs are like that, but still), and what's more embarrassing is all the UA-cam reviewers who are 50+ not batting an eye.
it is great that you can change views and openly admit it, many people are just too egotistic to do this even if it is just related to their music taste, some band they like, whatever. although I mean even if they do not say it openly, just changing view for the better and opening the mind is good enough in my book.
when I started listening to music as a kid I could not listen to extreme music, be it growls or super fast, super low tuning, it all sounded like noise. it took me a couple of years and some 'ear training' to be able to not only appreciate let say death metal but to actually love it. many things like that. some i did not completely change but learned to tolerate. for example wind instruments I generally do not like to this day. It's not like I'll be attending a bagpipe concert any time soon but you know I grew to enjoy AC/DC's long way to the top for example.
A lot of modern "metal" (should it really be called metal? It doesn't sound like Priest, Maiden, Metallica or Sabbath) does not have history, fantasy or religious themes. It's just a heavier, nastier version of 3rd wave emo and hardcore. A lot of songs about pop culture, love & heartbreak. A lot of them are now glorified noisy pop bands with guitars. Poor harmonics, melody or in some cases, both are absent.
In many ways I'm the opposite of you: I couldn't stand old school rock and metal because I was such a massive 3rd emo/2000s Brit indie/2nd wave metalcore bandwagoner. I was obsessed with heaviness and anger being cranked to the max.
But for the bands I still listen to, I'll never stop listening to Opeth, Death, At The Gates, Bolt Thrower, Carcass, August Burns Red, Pantera, Architects and Bleed From Within. We're very lucky that heavy metal gained traction when guitar music was on top of the charts in the 70s. The likes of Draconian, Children of Bodom, Within Temptation, Epica and Nightwish deserve credit.
It's a shame music execs pushed hard in favour of the likes of Nirvana, Blur & Oasis. That band more or less ushered today's era of rock/metal era of endless introspection and/or chaotic angst.
Thanks for the comment, I think where and when and how we discover music has a big impact on what we land up liking.
Neck Deep are probably the closest thing to Iron Maiden, albeit in pop punk form.
Never heard of them.
You mentioned Reggae and Punk so Bob Marley , Burning Spear , Bad Brains ? .. and as a parent do or did you ever monitor kids music choices due to lyrics ? My Wife and I did up until ages 13 maybe 14
I like all those bands. No, I never monitored my kids music because honestly they never really listened to anything offensive. My daughter likes electronic dance music and my son likes 90s grunge and pop punk.
This is fantastic, John! I was totally on the guitar train for quite a while. Music evolves as we all do personally. Brilliant.
We all evolve… says the dude who only listens to priest and maiden still 😂😂😂
Love you jay. Don’t change
@@mozsab totally fair. I am still stuck in the 70s and 80s with absolutely no evolution. Guilty!
Love you too dude
for me and it still stands since I was a teen , no melody and vocals that sound like the neighbours dog is puking up a boot .., no thanks .., and I cant stand nu metal .., as well as over produced schlock rock .., lastly ANY music that has fans largely who think they are listening to something so great you wont get it and if you dont like it you are not smart enough to get it ..., ie Dream Theater , Frank Zappa
I did a video on "Why I can't fully embrace Death Metal" you should check out.
@@LairoftheAlchemist , yup saw it , agreed with much of it
I can totally agree with you on the gore and that, it's disturbing to me seeing people getting tortured and/or killed. I remember years ago watching that hostel film and feeling repulsed and my first thought was whoever made this film has to be a very sick twisted person.
You sound like a soccer mom from the Reagan 80s.......
@@M85619 lol
Hostel is a documentary. That freaked me out because I know that's happening somewhere. 😅
Hardly
recognizable thoughts, John. But to what point can you stand some lyrics? Is Slayer too agressive and gory? Personally I also dont like Death metal lyrics, but when gory and ultra violent lyrics serve a purpose, like Cattle Decapitation, I love them. They are born out of hatred for violence!
When I was a teenager my metal had to be underground. Nowadays I do not care and live unknown acts as much as the big ones.
I was specifically thinking about violent lyrics directed at women, like what you hear from early Cannibal Corpse. Or if it something violent but directed at someone. If it's just crazy gory lyrics I'm kinda' ok with that.
interesting topic: is there a misogynistic tendency in some metal, especially cover art? for example: Savage Grace, Master of Disguise or Killer, Ready for Hell). what are your opinions?
@@hanswijgergangs6636 Yeah, for sure there is, some of it is done with humor but again, as I've aged, had kids and stuff it's harder to find that kind of stuff funny.
Now that I have some minor ear issues, I appreciate better sound quality because it bothers my ears less. In the past I didn’t care and would just crank it louder. But I do not obsess over it.
Other than that, in the last couple of years I have appreciated more 70’s rock or classic rock whatever you want to call it. I listen med to that as a teenager but I got so tired of it I took a 30 year break from listening to stop like zeppelin or the who or the Stones etc..
Other than that, I pretty much like what o always did but can appreciate some more forms of rock and metal.
I am also not into gore, but I do listen to a lot of death metal. I just never paid much attention to lyrics and half the time you can’t understand what they are saying which is fine with me 😁
I can relate too all these points as well. The only thing that I miss from my youth years is that I was frequently getting goosebumps while listening to particular sections of songs for the first time (repeated times in some cases). For instance, Child in Time, Stairway to Heaven, Battle Hymns, Fight Fire with Fire, Herencia Letal, What Love Can Be, etc to name a few. I know that it is a personal thing, but probably everyone felt it once in their lives with any other great song. The thing is that this kind of experience became rare with age. The last time I got goosebumps in the new millennium was discovering Tool with Schism and re-discovering Pink Floyd with The Great Gig in the Sky. By the way, I also couldn't stand prog! I didn't have any patience to sit through long songs.... thank god I'd learn to love progressive music :) Ps: Do you remember the last time you got goosebumps while listening to a song for the first time?
I actually completely relate to and understand what you're getting at here.
It's called growing up
I agree John, I can't stand the filthy lyrics . I can't help to hear the lyrics , even if I try to ignore them . Music should be uplifting regardless of the musical genre.
Uplifting?? What?? Are we in Sunday School???
@@M85619 you want depressing ? You can have it !
About a decade ago I had access to a great stereo system and a mix table and equalizer and stuff and would listen to some of my records on that, but in the end I was spending more time focusing on the amount of bass or treble and trying to find the right "sound" for each record that I wasn't enjoying the music anymore. I'm back to a good (not great) simple stereo system with a rather flat eq where I can just enjoy my lp's, cd's and mp3's.
Same for extreme violence (although if it has a second degree humour, then it's okay), and certainly sexism, bullying, racism, sexual orientation, etc...tolerance is really what we need imo.
I really cringe when I hear some lyrics that I thought were cool back in the day, or wasn't paying attention to them (I love Kiss, but come on...).
I've always been open to different types of music, as a teenager I was a metalhead but (secretly) was listening to New Wave and Funk...All genres are great, I don't like them all, but there's good stuff everywhere.
Great topic.
Rock on.