Medea and the Purple Murex Shell (According to the Argonautica by Apollonius Rhodius)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- A quick look into the language used in the passage regarding Medea and the creation of her Promethean Drug in the Purple Murex Shell as mentioned in the Argonautica by Apollonius Rhodius.
I too must have been recommended to this video by watching dr Ammon. I’m so glad I came across it! Excellent presentation!
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Salute
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Noticed Ammon lost some viewers from his Greek class from the first to his second episode. I would encourage the creation of a practical ancient Greek 101 class that focuses on reading and pronunciation: with limited focus on defining parts of speech. Ammon’s class is 400 level, but most folks need to see one word, pronounce it, and then build from there with limited reference to calling out complex part-of-speech references because most folks who only think in 2 dimensions. I love what you’re doing!!! But great academics like yourself process language much differently than 99.9 percent of the population.
Hey Roger, thanks for the feedback and the suggestion. The Greek is tough but rewarding and it does require dedication. The Hansen and Quinn is an excellent course and I still refer back to it as a kind of handbook. I completely understand what you are saying, Im on the spectrum and seem to have an affinity for language. Ill have a think about what you have said and will feed it back to Ammon the next time I get chance to speak to him. Thanks for watching and for the feedback and Im pleased you enjoyed the video.
Ammon is following the Hansen and Quinn text. Yes. It is hard. People need to push through and study.
@n1devine I'm still all-in on Ammon's teachings but i, and I can only speak for myself, have to spend more time on each class than just a week. I'm diligently downloading each lesson and lecture lest the AI powers that be shut it down 💜🖤
@@auld_boyon the spectrum as well and also feel it’s connected to my lifelong fascination with language, culture, and history. I haven’t had much exposure/familiarity with Greek until recently… but I find it really awesome that you mention that it could be part of what drives you in your research. Awesome work you’re doing and thanks for sharing with everyone. 🙏
@@OG_Granny great to hear, stick with it and push through and it’s surprising the progress you will make. All the best with it.
Just gorgeous! As our dear Dr Ammon might say. It is one of the many thrills with him that I also love using that word. And it really fits well here, because of your beautiful scenery, so wonderfully filmed, and the ever so juicy ancient Greek intel so clearly described, overlaying it all... I’m on fire for it.
Many thanks ~ it’s fantastic to see this huge purple tsunami of classical work coming in... the world needs it so much right now.
thanks so much, that is a really kind comment! I tried to pick a fitting location so I really appreciate that you thought it all worked together well :)
Yes the Renaissance is here!
The structures and gardens are beautiful.
@@kathrynralli4557 that folly! where he is sitting on the steps... so so beautiful.
@@mairelisegraham4750 I loved that six sided tower.
You do a lot of homework.
Thank you for your hard work for the next generations can learn from you.
It’s a good way to hold myself accountable and keep up the reading and translating! Thanks for the kind words.
I can’t help but to curiously recognize the Astrotheologic connotations... Thanks for your explanations of the nuances of the ancient Greek language, it helps a lot. Considering the brevity of your videos they are abundant with food for thought and the mind is hungry. I fiendishly need more!
Yes it’s all in there isn’t it! I’m pleased you are finding the videos interesting and informative. If there’s ever anything specific you are interested in then let me know. Cheers!
Thanks for the education 🎉
Thank you for watching 😊👍
This channel is fantastic. It’s informative and also helping me along the start of my journey to learn koine Greek.
Thanks for the kind words, Im pleased to hear its helping you on your journey :)
Awesome video as per usual 😊
Cheers mate, that really means a lot. The translations can take a while so its good to know people like seeing them. Cheers for watching mate. I hope all is well with you!
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HOOKED to this channel!
What a compliment, thank you!
Excellent thread and I loved the teleportation effect intentional or otherwise it was quite wonderful
Thank you, I’m pleased you enjoyed it! It was unintentional and it was a pleasant surprise when it turned out like that. Thanks for watching.
Great video, appreciated the on screen breakdowns
Thank you, I’m pleased you liked the breakdowns. I’m open to suggestion on if you would like to see more or less of stuff like that in a video. Cheers 👌
@@auld_boy I appreciate any further breakdown and reference to the words, just like Ammon. Once again, thank you. Great to see to connection between the texts and places
Great stuff, noted. Ill go deeper next time. Cheers for the feedback!
I just find this great channel. With the help Drawing Down the Stars. I come from North Celtic Spain ( Asturias), the topic here is fascinating. Love it. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the roots. I enjoyed the video and I will find the time for watching the firsts ones. Cheers from Belgium 🍻my second country.
Hi there, nice to have you here and its nice to know you came here from Drawing Down the Stars. Snappy has been a huge support and I am so grateful.
Ah nice, Asturias..Ive come across it during my Celtic studies. I was interested in the North Western region of Spain as there seemed to be some linguistic connections between Celtic tribes in the area and in the North of Britain. I was specifically looking at the Brigantes in Galicia and the part of England I am from in the North. It looks like a beautiful spot and Id love to visit soon. Belgium is also great..Ive visited a few times and Im a fan of the beers there...cheers!
Great to have you here and thanks for watching!
Yes... I think you are right about "only begotten." Wild. Nicely done.
Yeah I was just getting a feeling that it may have been borrowed. I don’t know if it was because I’ve been reading revelation but she also bathes in 7 rivers too. Maybe I’m just overthinking..
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@Scotlandview yes it seems quite cyclical doesn’t it. That’s incredible, thanks for the info. I have heard of piles of dog whelk shells which have been found off the coast of Scotland. I’ll have to look into it further at some point. Thanks for the heads up!
For sure Medea shares an epithet with the virgin warrior goddess. And the blood of the oracular Titan, should be giving people insights as to the function of Prometheus. Great stuff again!
Love this ✊
Wonderful video m8 I'd love to visit those places I'm UK. Thx
Thanks mate, appreciate it. Nice to chat to some fellow brits! There’s loads in this area..from henges to Roman stuff and through to more modern. Cheers for watching.
Here for it.
Thanks for stopping by, I appreciate it!
So interesting thank you
Im pleased you enjoyed it.
Poisons and potions.
Indeed! Thank you for watching.
Nice. This was fun.
Thank you, pleased you enjoyed it!
Fantastic presentation, the only begotten bit was an eye opener , could you do do a video on how to use the lSJ ?
Yes it was quite interesting. Of course I can do a video on it. I’m busy this week but I’ll add it to my list for next week. Thanks for watching 👍
Thank you for your time .
@@ReligionWatch anytime. Thank you for yours!
I’ve made everything in my entire life purple. Rhymes with purple or has a grape theme to it because of this
You must be a better poet than me, I struggle to find things that rhyme with Purple haha! Cheers for tuning in, appreciate it!
Thanks
Nice work! Thanks!
Thanks for watching, cheers!
6:04 Does this depict Medea treating someone? As I mentioned to you before, this scene has puzzled me for 38 years.
Zagreus is Dionysus so the connection to Persephone and Bacchants is made.
I think it’s just a depiction of an initiate receiving the antidote via the breast milk…I don’t think it’s specifically Medea but I could be wrong. It’s also in the bathroom of Newby Hall if you ever look round it 👍
Yes that’s right..it all seems Bacchic to me and she’s referred to as the anassa of those who live under the earth IE queen of the underworld.
Cheers for watching again. Appreciate it 👍
Great video brother! What an incredible location
Thank you, I’m pleased you enjoyed it. It makes for a great day out wandering. Cheers!
I wonder if the the part of "only begotten" could actually be "self begotten" or "self born"? I've heard these used many times, a quick search shows: T he Holy Book of the Great Invisible Spirit,, a Sethian Gnostic text says "The great self-begotten living Word also appears, the son of the great Christ and the silence, who is the true god and the unborn physis. "... And Ephesians 4:24 seems close, but Svayambhu (self-born) is used for the Hindu Brahma and Vishnu., and like the gnostic text this also has to do with a creator god known as Vāgīśa (Lord of Speech),.
You raise a good point, and I have seen that term used in other texts. I can’t remember where off the top of my head but I’ll have a look once I get home from the dig. I’m fairly sure this is a different word but I’ll need to double check. I’ll let you know the text I’ve seen it in once I’ve found it so you can compare! Cheers for watching and for the info.
@@auld_boy Can anyone else smell Odin throughout this mystery?
@@bryanking6448 I did a series looking at the Etruscan Aiser and the Norse Aesir. The Old Norse lexicon make lots of connections to the Hellenic world. They even give the definition of the word “rune” as the Greek word “mystery”. Their volvas are even compared to Sibyls, sometimes the word is even translated as such. I’d love to hear your thoughts on the series if you get round to checking it out 👌
Are there any original artworks depricting the purple?
Not that Im familiar with, but the carving I showed on this video of the breast feeding women is a part of the rite. Romulus and Remus the same thing. Hope that helps, cheers!
There's artwork depicting the shell of the murex snail. Some Phoenician coins show it.
@AuldBoy - Have you researched any historic use of psilocybe semilanceata (liberty caps)?
I’ve not personally gone down that route yet. But I have seen it discussed by people such as Carl Ruck before. I’ll certainly look into it at some point now I know there is some interest. Thanks for watching.
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Thanks for watching.
This series on purple dye is fantastic, i wonder if theres any connection between the purple dye and the egyptian blue dye said to have also been forgotten
Thank you so much, that really means a lot. Im pleased you enjoyed the series as it took quite a lot of time to research and make. Ive seen a few people mention this, and Ill admit that I'm not too familiar with the Egyptian side..but it wouldn't surprise me..its in the right region! Thanks for watching.
Fire
Thank you, pleased you enjoyed it!
very interesting, that it specifically references the mixing,or "treating", of the drug; i wonder if the sulphate pre curser the murex produces; both creates the purple hue, and/or is used in the synthesis of another compound when mixed with the.. datura plant perhaps??
Chariot could be a metaphor for a journey or trip?
Ill have to read some more to see how its being used and what happens! Theres always so much to unpack in a small portion of text. Cheers for watching.
Sorry but the purple drug is the same substance of the pigment for coloring? The purple pigment extract from the murex shellfish is also a drug or it simply have the same name?
This text alludes to it being part of the drug but it doesn’t 100 percent specify. However a couple episodes back I translated some Dioscorides who was a Greek Physician from the 1st century AD and he says it was being used as a medical treatment. Then in the episode before this, I translated a text discussing the early Christians putting something in their wine to make it purple. Hope that helps.
@@auld_boy thank you for you reply! Very quick also! So yes it was the same substance, or at least the color came from the porpora. Anyway for the wine issue probably it was dry blood, it was a very common tradition between Hebrew people to use dry blood powder and mix it with wine.
I need longer videos 😩. I just started the purple journey but Ammon talks in circles and I really am trying to learn what he’s teaching.
Is the King James and all the other religious books just all fake? Are the Greek Gods the true Gods? Who are the hood ones and who are the bad ones? Are we living in hell here? Too many questions I have 🥲.
Id recommend you start with Ammon's first videos and work through them in order as he builds on them and it will help make more sense. The King James is just a really bad translation of the Greek text.
As for the Gods, they use a lot of analogy. If you read the Chaldean Oracles and Iamblichus on the mysteries etc then its seems apparent that they are describing forces of nature. Some did see this as a realm of punishment.
Check out what Iamblichus, porphyry etc are writing about. it might help it make a bit more sense. Thanks for watching and I hope that helps.
@@auld_boy thank you so much. I’ll go check it all out. 🙌🏼
I’m not sure what you’ve taught us. You explored many of the words used but what’s the take away ?
Its just a translation of the passage. Medea is basically preparing a drug in the murex shell and I looking at the definitions of some of the words to help pull out some more nuance eg the word for 'night roamer" is an epithet of figures such as Zagreus..so back into the realm of bacchic wirship. I hope that helps.
@@auld_boy Ok i discovered your channle this morning and I'm very intrigued. I'd love to know more about what calling the drug promethean means. I assume it means that taking it makes you steal the 'fire' (wisdom or power) of the gods. And how is this potion used in the story? Could you also do an interpretation of Medeas defeat of Talos, that one always felt to me that there is a hidden meaning. Lastly, I also hope you do more on Medea and her killing of Jasons wife and children with poisoned garments. Wasnt there a poisoned royal cloak? That evokes the purple dye, as purple is the classic colour of royal cloaks.
@@umwha that’s great to hear you recently discovered the channel. It’s good to see you watching and thinking about the videos.
I’ll put out a translation of Apollonius Prometheus bound as it might help it make more sense. Basically in the text Prometheus steals the “fire” from the Gods and conceals it in a fennel stalk. So the fire is a metaphor and is probably named due to the fact it is caustic..like how the burning purple is described. The word used to describe how Prometheus “shaped” man from the earth is actually a word which means “to shape by education”. Which once again adds to the metaphor of the fire. It’s knowledge of a plant medicine from what I discern from the text. Hope that helps.
Edit: yes of course I can certainly do more translations..it’s good to know what interests people so thanks for the recommendations 👍
@@auld_boy He hid it in a fennel stalk? Hmm is there some drug quality of fennel? Herblore does seem to be at the root of many mythologies. One that i also recommend you use for a video is the Egyptian Lettuce that is involved with Set and Horus. Horus ejaculated on sets lettuce basically and somehow this creates the sun disk and Thoth . On Wikipedia o gather that this is because the lettuce plant produces a white latex which looks like jizz and was believed to be an aphrodisiac . Why one god covertly jizzed on sets lettuce and why it creates beings beats me though. I also find this weird considering Horus and set are the great hero and villian of Egyptian mythology and Horus later kills set.
We are going to be talking about the purple 😂 If I would of not read the video title or cut the video right after you said that I would of thought dam dude is about to talk about some promethazine with lean (Aka purple)
I would love to do a stream with someone I'm also a specialist in Ancient studys mine are ANE and Egyptian history to metaphysics and cosmogony and theogony along with the biblical text if your ever looking to do a stream?
haha yes, a modern kind of purple..Im surprised there havnt been more comments like that to be fair. Thank you, if I ever feel confident enough to so some live streams then I will bare that in mind. Thanks for tuning in and for the comments.
@@auld_boy yes! I can't post my Academia link .
Hence I can't post my credentials- this I'm on now is just a cat Channel!
But go on " ecks " formally known as "Tuuhwihhhtttttttuhhhr " (I'm using the misspelling for censorship or I'll get my comment deleted-
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@@auld_boy tuwihhhturrrr
Deep
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Once you "resesrchrs" discover and axcept the location of Kolhida and Troya, your dream stories will popup in the air like the soap ballons....yeah, soap ballons, that is exact description of your teaching and understanding....
Unfortunately in your technical ignorance you are conflating along with Ammon and others the reality the Greeks were recording from even older texts and legends.
This subject is far bigger than drug addiction and abuse by the foolish. A clue to this fact is the last Bond film No time to die. The alloy of copper and tin is not the Bronze they were referring to. Ultra violet light is purple. The parted veil. The bridge to heaven.
Do you have a source?
@@n1devine
Only fool's get their knowledge second hand in books.
Cheers for the help but my reason is telling me to go with the LSJs definition of Pharmakon over James Bond (no offence).
As for the texts I’m sure Ammon makes it pretty clear when he mentions the Pelagians and the Digamma that these are really old words and concepts. Cheers for watching and for the discussion though, even if we don’t agree 👍
@@auld_boy
Never choose ignorance over experience. Words are the mere shadow of deeds. The mirror does not lie but the soul animates the body. Only fool's reverse that truth and worship the flesh.
We are defined by the choices we make and blinded by the voices that seduce us.
Did you take the covid vaccine or did you resist ?
Have you parted the veil or are you still a virgin ?
Satan only gives you what you already own in a corrupted mirror.
The God's show you the way once you overcome your fear.
Christianity is a Jewish cult, twisted by words and fruitless metaphor.
Hercules is the armour of the God's. Only those who prove worthy are able to master its power. The other Bronze shield.
The measure of true hero's.
No sucking of cock required.
@@auld_boy
So much for honest debate. You deleted my reply. The first sign of a weak mind is censorship. Socrates.
So basically, we are to listen to someone's translated Greek, this one being yourself, Auld Boy ....and basing beliefs off of what YOU say the document says, while you state their may be errors because you are 'still learning'.
On top of that, we are to assume this text you are reading is valid, even though we have never laid eyes on it ourselves and almost all of us have ZERO capability of valudating if it is a) REAL and b) AUTHENTIC.
On top of all of THAT .... we are to believe somehow that this is NON-FICTION, even though we know THEATRE 🎭 has been around for a LONG time ... in different versions.
SURE. MAKES SO MUCH SENSE ‼️👍‼️😵💫😵💫😵💫
Give me a break.
People, WAKE UP ‼️‼️‼️
One: no one is forcing you to listen
Two: I’m at intermediate reading level. I can translate it but a more advanced translator may be able to pull more nuance out of it.
Three: I’m using a lexicon to give the translation, it’s not my opinion
Four: the text is easy to locate..try Google.
Five: you state you have never laid eyes on the text and say you have zero capability of validating if it’s real or authentic..that sounds like most documents including the bible. Have you looked at the original text fragments and validated if it’s real or authentic?
Six: I never said it’s non fiction. I’m merely giving a translation of the text.
@@auld_boy Correct, I never said anyone was forcing me to listen, did I ?
As for your other points, none of them negate my points because none of "us" know you personally and have no reason to believe you. We would literally need to become fluent in Greek to keep up.
As for your statement about the Bible, the documents have been validated by numerous scholars over many, many years, and some of those scholars were Aetheists ....who then converted to Christianity because of their authenticity.
Please don't be upset when I am merely helping we the people to think about this from every angle. If you yourself are authentically looking for "the truth" , you won't mind. 🙂 ?
You stated the issue was having to rely on my translation and that you had to assume the Greek text was valid, without being able to lay eyes on it yourself and having zero capability of evaluating if its real or authentic. Then in your response you say you dont know me personally and therefore have no reason to believe me and that you would have to become fluent in Greek to keep up.
However you are happy to rely on other peoples translation of the bible and are happy to rely on other people verifying the original text fragments are authentic for you, and you don't complain about having to be fluent in hebrew or greek to keep up with it. Im also assuming you don't personally know every scholar who has "verified" the original texts..but you are happy to believe what they say without knowing them.
This is a reply of someone who's threatened and intimidated by knowledge that challenges their dogma.
"Just some food for thought", lol. Fantastic setting, cheers.
Im pleased you enjoyed the setting, I tried to make it coherent with the text. Thanks for all the support with there comments. I appreciate it!
Just dragged your waters again, brother. 🤘🏻
Also noticed in the comments exactly how generous you are with your tool box! Wow,man….. when it comes to this and shit like this, you sir, have balls that clank! 🤘🏻✌🏻😜
And yes…. I liked my own comment lol
Thanx again 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻✌🏻🤘🏻
Thank you so much! Yes Im always trying to help those who have an interest in the Greek too. Thanks for the kind words and for watching, I appreciate it!
Bro!!!! Thankyou for your works to humanity! You are a true hero. Your quest is witnessed.
Fire baby!! Fire
Thats kind of you to say, thank you!
@@auld_boy for real. You need to publish your translations!!
Even a dramatised version or a script 🤤🐚 it would be off tap!!
@@gruboniell4189 that’s kind of you to say. I’m keeping them all together so maybe on day one can release them all. Thanks for the recommendation and the kind words 😊
The "only begotten" leader/"once and future king/queen" with 12 assistants/hand-maids is classic Astrotheological symbolism used the world over from the NT to the Arthur Myths, which represents the Leader as the Sun and the assistants as the Houses of the Zodiac. Anything with 7s and 12s will almost always have some sort of astral association to make the characters seem more "special", than ordinary folks.
As for the "purple" still waiting for the name of a single molecule from a single drug ever made from this stuff. Can anyone even make the simple dye itself? All pharmaceuticals are drugs and all drugs are chemicals, so what is the chemistry? That's all that really matters.
Check out; 6,6’-Dibromoindigo
@@bryanking6448 Industrial "Tyrian Purple" dye. Where does the woo-woo and psychotropic stuff come from?
Hello, your linguistics are greeklish, you are not pronouncing the words right, sorry, i am from Greece and i know to pronounce every word! Why you people are changing the pronunciation? Maybe you should come to Greece and hear how we speak! Thank you!
Ancient Greek is pronounced differently to modern Greek. Thanks
@@auld_boy Συγγνώμη, κάνεις λάθος, έχω ακούσει Έλληνες καθηγητές να μιλούν την αρχαία Ελληνικά, πολλοί από εσάς τους κάνετε το ίδιο λάθος, παράδειγμα :οι σε πληθυντικό είναι e για εσάς, το και δεν είναι κάϊ!
@@apollohelios4901 because many Greek speakers use the modern pronunciations, even when reading Ancient Greek. There is no end of information online about the vowel and pronunciation shifts and there are many videos online. Take your pick. Here is one source from verbal planet, a professional, online tutoring service:
“Standardization: Modern Greek underwent a process of standardization in the 19th century, creating a unified written and spoken form.
Simplification: Modern Greek is known for its simplified grammar and pronunciation compared to its ancient counterpart. Verb conjugations are less complex, and noun declensions have largely disappeared.
Vocabulary Shift: The vocabulary of Modern Greek has adapted to contemporary life, incorporating words related to technology, science, and everyday activities.
Phonetic Changes: Modern Greek exhibits significant phonetic changes compared to Ancient Greek, with vowel shifts and pronunciation differences.”
@@auld_boy Thanks for the info, i will search it also from Greek sites /professors, keep up the good work! Finally, there are people who are interested in the rich Greek culture! Not forgetting also all other ancient civilizations! 👍Not Judaiohebrew by the way, the didn't offer nothing to the world 🙄
Hail Medea! How ironic is that?!