true. cape malay refers to the eastern part of malay peninsula. the Indonesian archipelago. even most of malaysians came from west sumatra or riau in Indonesia :)
Indonesia dan Malaysia tidak ada.. Tapi waktu itu sudah ada pemerintah Indies-Netherland Yang kini menjadi Indonesia... Sedangkan Malaysia British-Malaya Orang2 ini di bawa oleh pemerintah Indies-Netherlands
I recently had the experience of researching my ancestors back to about 7 generations.I discovered that I had Muslim Malay ancestors although today i am Christian.What puzzled me was did some of my Malay Moslem ancestors convert to Christianity and why?. Did all malay Moslems continue to follow islam or did they convert?
my response would not necessarily be accurate. but, financial hardship might be one of the reasons as was written by Tuan Guru in bahasa Indonesia in his compendium of Islamic law when he first arrived in Cape Town "This is the land of sorrow".
There are too many factors. However, i can speculate these points; 1) Muslim men can marry women of the book (not the other way around), rarely happen nowadays. Islam also allows divorce, so the kids may go to their respective parents. 2) Muslim must not lie about their identity, although it won't go well if you're afraid or do not want to be left behind by your society where muslim is the minority. Apostate law only happens in Islamic states to those who 'seek' death. In my muslim majority country, there are apostates/murtad, but no one dies. The said Muslim (basically) barter their religion with coins, uneducated believer, or have their brain broken. The only action taken for those murtad is abandonment if the family is a practicing one. To those who declare that they're Muslim but don't practice the deeds and behaving like a disbeliever, then they're munafiq. Only the Almighty will handle the munafiq's sin on the day of judgment, Muslim are only adviced to take precautions. 3) In Indonesia, not every Melayu is Muslim, and not every Muslim is Melayu. However, in Malaysia, every Muslim is equitable as Malayu, even though you are (let's say) a Dayak. This is because Indonesia differentiate their ethnicities and religions, while Malaysia will tightly knot their ethnicity to religion. If a Muslim Chinese Indonesian visits Malaysia, the Malaysian will assume the Chinese Indonesian as Christian/Buddist. If the Chinese Indonesian said that they're Muslim, the Malaysian will find it hard to believe and accept. So, your ancestor might be non-Muslim to begin with or a weak believer.
The Cape Malay is originally majority Batavia Malay , and Makassarese later Javanese and Bugis become majority. early before 1700 many from Sumatera ,like Jambi, palembang,Medan which are Malay areas also Achehm Padang ,Bengkulu and Nias. Many Sumbawa, Balinese and Maluku people,also Timor.
only abt 20-50 were from Melaka in Malaysia and a few from Malaya as per archival records,majority are Makassarese, Bugis, Sumatra Malay , Nias, Minangkabau and Benghkulu . Javanese became majority in 18th century with Bugis. bt earliest are macassarese and batavian Malays. Sumbawans, and Ternate and Timor also made up quite a reasonal pecentage. lets look at some names. Martha of Jambi 1699, Moses of Jambi 1765 , Ciciliq of Timor , Aran of Aru ,
Izin saya share di group lain ya min, saya paham dengan main claim sepihak kontradiktif negara Malaysia terhadap keturunan cape malay di Afrika Selatan khususnya keturunan Indonesia memanfaatkan kebingungan masyarakat di Afrika Selatan upaya retorika negara Malaysia mecoba mengkamburkan asal usul mayoritas keturunan Indonesia serta sejarah keberadaan syekh Yusuf al makasari terkait dengan kerajaan banten serta menutup nutupi fakta terkait sejarah bangsa Indonesia... sebenarnya saya juga merasakan upaya Malaysia juga pernah mencoba claim sepihak tentang asal usul keturunan Indonesia di luar negeri seperti Kaledonia baru & Suriname... menurut ku pantas informasi mencegah bahaya dari upaya licik & picik miss informasi keturunan Indonesia di malayunisasikan di politik Malaysia..dan sebagai bukti penuturan keturunan Indonesia memperkuat terkait sejarah keturunan orang Indonesia di luar negeri
Mantap min..emng itu pergerakan tetangga suka bikin geleng-geleng kepala.. Jgnkan yg ada istilah "melayu" Nya..tg gk adapub asal berasal dr suku2 d nusantara Indonesia aja bisa mereka klaim..
it's an archaic word : cape refers to the islands on the eastern part of malay peninsula, i.e., Indonesia. the majority of cape malay came from java island, along with Indonesians from sumatera, sulawesi, bali etc.
As always, indonesia like to claim everything from malaysia🤣🤣 Malaysia old name “Tanah Melayu= land of malay people” is enough to say where malay people come from🥱🥱 there is a video where cape malay come to malaysia and call it as their as their home🤣🤣 I don’t care if you want to claiming thing but at least use logic when talking😆😆
@@Daniel_0778 ketawa aja lah baca ginian..apaan jg yg mau d klaim dr negara lu..old name old name..sejak kapan..ksih literaturnya donk..merasa si paling melayu..
@@Daniel_0778lah nama melayu sendiri datangnya dari sumatra bukan malaysia lol, kalau bukan karena tulisan batu bersurat yg ditemukan di sumatra mungkin orang2 malaysia nggk bakal tau sejarah melayu malaysia, beda dengan melayu asli yg ada di sumatra sumber sejarahnya tersimpan rapih tidak seperti malaysia yg mengaku2 si paling melayu
Some were From Malay Archipelago..not Malaysia or Indonesia..because Malaysia and Indonesia not exist..
true. cape malay refers to the eastern part of malay peninsula. the Indonesian archipelago. even most of malaysians came from west sumatra or riau in Indonesia :)
Malay archipelago?who is give that name?
Indonesia dan Malaysia tidak ada..
Tapi waktu itu sudah ada pemerintah Indies-Netherland
Yang kini menjadi Indonesia...
Sedangkan Malaysia British-Malaya
Orang2 ini di bawa oleh pemerintah Indies-Netherlands
I recently had the experience of researching my ancestors back to about 7 generations.I discovered that I had Muslim Malay ancestors although today i am Christian.What puzzled me was did some of my Malay Moslem ancestors convert to Christianity and why?. Did all malay Moslems continue to follow islam or did they convert?
my response would not necessarily be accurate. but, financial hardship might be one of the reasons as was written by Tuan Guru in bahasa Indonesia in his compendium of Islamic law when he first arrived in Cape Town "This is the land of sorrow".
There are too many factors. However, i can speculate these points;
1) Muslim men can marry women of the book (not the other way around), rarely happen nowadays. Islam also allows divorce, so the kids may go to their respective parents.
2) Muslim must not lie about their identity, although it won't go well if you're afraid or do not want to be left behind by your society where muslim is the minority.
Apostate law only happens in Islamic states to those who 'seek' death. In my muslim majority country, there are apostates/murtad, but no one dies. The said Muslim (basically) barter their religion with coins, uneducated believer, or have their brain broken. The only action taken for those murtad is abandonment if the family is a practicing one. To those who declare that they're Muslim but don't practice the deeds and behaving like a disbeliever, then they're munafiq. Only the Almighty will handle the munafiq's sin on the day of judgment, Muslim are only adviced to take precautions.
3) In Indonesia, not every Melayu is Muslim, and not every Muslim is Melayu. However, in Malaysia, every Muslim is equitable as Malayu, even though you are (let's say) a Dayak.
This is because Indonesia differentiate their ethnicities and religions, while Malaysia will tightly knot their ethnicity to religion. If a Muslim Chinese Indonesian visits Malaysia, the Malaysian will assume the Chinese Indonesian as Christian/Buddist. If the Chinese Indonesian said that they're Muslim, the Malaysian will find it hard to believe and accept.
So, your ancestor might be non-Muslim to begin with or a weak believer.
Always good to listen to our history in the cape
agree pak. very fascinating.
The Cape Malay is originally majority Batavia Malay , and Makassarese later Javanese and Bugis become majority. early before 1700 many from Sumatera ,like Jambi, palembang,Medan which are Malay areas also Achehm Padang ,Bengkulu and Nias. Many Sumbawa, Balinese and Maluku people,also Timor.
only abt 20-50 were from Melaka in Malaysia and a few from Malaya as per archival records,majority are Makassarese, Bugis, Sumatra Malay , Nias, Minangkabau and Benghkulu . Javanese became majority in 18th century with Bugis. bt earliest are macassarese and batavian Malays. Sumbawans, and Ternate and Timor also made up quite a reasonal pecentage. lets look at some names. Martha of Jambi 1699, Moses of Jambi 1765 , Ciciliq of Timor , Aran of Aru ,
terima kasih for the very detailed enlightenment, sir. I didn''t know that.
Izin saya share di group lain ya min, saya paham dengan main claim sepihak kontradiktif negara Malaysia terhadap keturunan cape malay di Afrika Selatan khususnya keturunan Indonesia memanfaatkan kebingungan masyarakat di Afrika Selatan upaya retorika negara Malaysia mecoba mengkamburkan asal usul mayoritas keturunan Indonesia serta sejarah keberadaan syekh Yusuf al makasari terkait dengan kerajaan banten serta menutup nutupi fakta terkait sejarah bangsa Indonesia... sebenarnya saya juga merasakan upaya Malaysia juga pernah mencoba claim sepihak tentang asal usul keturunan Indonesia di luar negeri seperti Kaledonia baru & Suriname... menurut ku pantas informasi mencegah bahaya dari upaya licik & picik miss informasi keturunan Indonesia di malayunisasikan di politik Malaysia..dan sebagai bukti penuturan keturunan Indonesia memperkuat terkait sejarah keturunan orang Indonesia di luar negeri
silahkan dengan senang hati.
Mantap min..emng itu pergerakan tetangga suka bikin geleng-geleng kepala..
Jgnkan yg ada istilah "melayu" Nya..tg gk adapub asal berasal dr suku2 d nusantara Indonesia aja bisa mereka klaim..
Ya kita wajib memakai nama Indonesia..itu sudah mewakili melayu,aceh,jawa,sunda dll..satu nama saja Indonesia❤❤❤❤
I see so its Jawa Cape then
Amazing java malayan
Why they called it Cape Malay and not Cape Java? 😅
it's an archaic word : cape refers to the islands on the eastern part of malay peninsula, i.e., Indonesia. the majority of cape malay came from java island, along with Indonesians from sumatera, sulawesi, bali etc.
Mentang2 kata "melayu"nya lgsung riang gembira menggelijang...
Apa2 itu d riset dlu..d cari tau dlu..
As always, indonesia like to claim everything from malaysia🤣🤣 Malaysia old name “Tanah Melayu= land of malay people” is enough to say where malay people come from🥱🥱 there is a video where cape malay come to malaysia and call it as their as their home🤣🤣
I don’t care if you want to claiming thing but at least use logic when talking😆😆
@@Daniel_0778 ketawa aja lah baca ginian..apaan jg yg mau d klaim dr negara lu..old name old name..sejak kapan..ksih literaturnya donk..merasa si paling melayu..
@@Daniel_0778lah nama melayu sendiri datangnya dari sumatra bukan malaysia lol, kalau bukan karena tulisan batu bersurat yg ditemukan di sumatra mungkin orang2 malaysia nggk bakal tau sejarah melayu malaysia, beda dengan melayu asli yg ada di sumatra sumber sejarahnya tersimpan rapih tidak seperti malaysia yg mengaku2 si paling melayu
None of you will acknowledge your black side. But we are okay with that. 😂
Kami orang Indonesia bukan orang Melayu Malaysia
Man you guys are so desperate to get recognition for literally anything 😂. Stay pressed my guys.
Lol halfling malay malaysian trying to be look pure malay meanwhile real malay comes from sumatran 😂😂😂 hello malaydesh
I recognise you as a poes