The one song Meshuggah NEVER play live (Marrow)
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Time Consuming Ep #74 and week 1 of 'MAYshuggah' and yes !
It's back !
Exciting stuff.
This episode dives into 'Marrow', one of the most requested Meshuggah songs here on the channel.
'Marrow' original song:
• Marrow
Riccardos' channels:
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And hid cover video !
• Marrow - Meshuggah Cov...
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Intro by Sharon Renold (@sharonrenold on Instagram) and myself
Intro music by Shwesmo (@shwesmo on Instagram)
#musicanalysis #musiceducation #meshuggah
0:00 intro
1:27 intro riff
4:04 riff #2
5:57 B part
7:41 PLUG!
8:17 GTR solo #1
10:13 post GTR solo #1
11:35 GTR solo #2
12:56 post GTR solo #2
13:45 that OUTRO riff
My utter confusion has turned into further utter confusion *proceeds to headbang to the strong beat*
Couldn't be more relatable.
Just think what I went through
@YogevGabay I can't. My brain would be beyond fried. You breaking down Meshuggah songs is a great feat on its own.
@YogevGabay thank you for your service 😂
That's all we all can do 😂
"Yes it has been a long time, no we're not gonna talk about it." All good, just glad to see you back!
Thanks so much !!!
IKR I just found this channel and am thankful for the timing!
It's my first time here so I'm just imagining something horrifying occurred until I get new information.
@@gongboy83More horryfying than breaking down Meshuggah songs!?
Marrow is absolutely underrated.
In fact, Koloss is absolutely underrated, along with Catch Thirty-Three.
Also Koloss has one of the most beautiful closing track in the history of ever as far as my insignificant person is concerned
Catch Thirty-Three is by far my favorite Meshuggah album
OMG OMG OMG it's happening, we're getting the Marrow breakdown!!!!!
HELL YEH !
It sounds like a really bad thing outside of Meshuggah music
@@ChaosPootato Marrow Breakdown affected my entire family
"I'll just throw in some numbers because I know you missed them." Yes, sir. We did!
Inside Thomas' head when he's playing: "Alright post guitar solo let's go x, circle, x, cricle, circle, x, circle,x,x..."
Honey… wake the children it’s Mayshuggah! Missed greatly.
Only thing I know about Marrow is every time I listen to it, it feels like I'm right under a meteorite rain, where the sliding note is the meteor falling, and the low note is the meteor crashing on the ground.
Seems legit
Yogev going through every combination of 4 and 3 for 16 minutes. great vid my guy
מלך !
The conclusion on why they never played it live blew my mind, lol
It’s a pretty good reason, but also not. Modern metal is filled with all sorts of pitch shifting stuff. Buster Odeholm is a great example with any of his projects.
Also, the song is very difficult.
I’d like to see a similar video for why they don’t play “I”
I wonder if that's really the case !
@@CCDaDon15 Not sure if this is what you meant, but:
ua-cam.com/video/QnUb3roNcdo/v-deo.html
@@usaflagraybansOrbit culture is using Pitch shifts aswell and I never noticed anything. It probably depends on the gear they use. But I need to be honest that I don't know how good programmed pitch shifts work with weird timings.
The only "structures" I can see in the POST GTR Solo Riff #2 are:
1) XOXO OXOX (symmetry) + XOOXX (twice) and then OXO (twice, also symmetry) + XXXOOX XOOXXX (symmetry)
and, which I think has more mathematical/geometrical sense:
2) X + OXO OXO (symmetry and repetition) + XX OO XXX OO XX (symmetry, internal structure: 2+2+3+2+2) and then OXO OXO (again) + XXX OO XX OO XXX (similar to end of the first line but 3+2+2+2+3, exchanging the X amounts (2 becomes 3 and 3 becomes 2))
Least complicated prog metal rhythm explanation:
I have no factual idea what beat I’m on when I’m in the middle of one of meshuggah’s prolonged hypermeasures. However, I have a perfect sense of when the one is coming up. You really can’t miss the one. Meshuggah is a hell of a drug.
Thanks for the enlightening video!
I've heard there's a dissertation explaining that many Meshuggah riffs "start" in the "middle"
I'm afraid I don't have an example handy but I imagine these riffs fall under that umbrella
Yes it’s true. Lethargica has some.
Probably Caulder Hannon. His channel Metal Music Theory does some very indepth dissections of meshuggah
Entrapment and In death is Death had a lot of those riffs 🙌
I heard that before, but it's too far out of an idea for me to even entertain.
I mean, if something starts in the middle, how would you even know where the "beginning" of the riff is besides taking you best musical guess?
you know what I mean?
@@tinnitussoundtherapyhe’s done dissertations on this kind of thing but the “riff starting in the middle” thing is not his afaik, though his Car Bomb dissertation is absolutely worth reading
The confusion is the main reason I listen to Meshuggah. Since I can't remember the beats or get the hang of it, I just relax and let the groove wash over me.
With clockworks it is 2’s and 3’s for Marrow it is 3’s and 4’s. The rhythmic creativity of this band is unreal
"Nice, now that was pretty easy...."
*narrows-eyes*
Some of my favorite content on youtube. Keep doing your thing!
Thanks !!
I don’t even understand anything that’s going on but I’m hooked on the Meshuggah videos
As you asked for feedback:
The way you explain those riffs with smaller chunks of 2,3,4 and 5s makes total sense to me :)
I think the visualization is spot on.
Love it 😍
Meshuggah counting works for me
Epic ! Happy to hear !
Oh, I'm so glad Mayshuggay is back. I didn't realize how much I missed this.
So glad you are back. And right in time for MAYshuggah!
We absolutely need some Vildhjarta! Welcome back :)
Good to see you again Yogev! I missed these videos! ❤
He was preparing a set of analysis of Kōenji Hyakkei that will soon be released.
Well, at least this is my dream...
They've also never played The Demons Name is Surveillance for obvious reasons. Such a relentless track. I'd love to hear Behind the Sun. I'd also love to hear an anaylsis of Nostrum someday too 🤘
So glad to have you back! Much love ❤
Note that "43432423434 repeating back and forth" is equivalently described as "434324 repeating back and forth"
Listen.
I only noticed I could do that, while editing the video hahahahaha absolutely true !
You know the Meshuggah subReddit goes wild every time you do a video. Your work is amazing, God bless you brother, a service to the community!
I can't imagine trying to learn a song this way. I just listen to it enough that my brain memorizes the rhythms. It's definitely not random. The outro riff, for instance, breaks down into 4 different riffs repeated, in order, until the song ends.
The little numbered circles are great for analyzing the song structure rhythmically. It would be cool to transcribe the actual rhythm being played directly too.
Great video! At first I thought it was just too hard and random, but then I remembered the intro to In Death Is Life and, even worse, the middle third of In Death Is Death. Both are staples of their live set list! I can’t believe they wouldn’t play Marrow live because of detuning. That’s a common effect (these days), just not for Meshuggah songs. Why? Why won’t they play the song?!?
i love when you did the fills on the cardboard drums
MAYSHUGGAH 2024 WELCOME BACK!!
THANKS !!
Welcome back Yogev !
It is sooo good to hear that (Your) voice again. 🤘🏼
Welcome back! I've sorely missed your videos.
Really sick work, welcome back! I never realized how much this song does the classic thing of being almost a pattern but not quite, just enough to drive a person crazy.
Awesome breakdown! So good to have you back with us just in time for the best month of the year - Mayshuggah.
Soul Burn would be another really cool one to dive into. The way that song opens up always fools me into thinking it's just a straight up Pantera Groove Metal track, and then it gets a lil whacky :P
There’s something with these more rhythmically complex Meshuggah songs that makes them absolutely terrifying when you watch these videos, but when you play the song everything seems to come so naturally and I think it’s super weird
Soooo glad to see you back!
Glad to see you back!
Welcome back! Great video, as always!
So glad you're back
Lovely to see you back again Yogev!
Glad to have you back !
For the guitar solo #1 part at 9:22 the pattern you noted
4343'
3'4'34
3'4'43
43'4'43
with ' being the accents. I tried to rewrite it and thought I would share this other logic I found.
4 3 4 3' 3' 4'
3 4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase is the one above but 3 and 4s are swapped. Also it sounds like after those 3 accents in the first phrase, this is a new phrase.
4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase just repeats what's above from the 2nd group and the accents are at the same places.
I don't know if I'm seeing patterns where there aren't though :')
Thank you for the video !
Phenomenal video of a great track! Thank you Yogev!
I'm so glad you're back! I love your vids.
Thanks for your videos bro, I'm glad you're back, you're amazing
So glad you're back!
Love this channel.
Banger viedo as always! Glad to see you are back
Welcome back! ♥️
Great to see you back! All your explanations made perfect sense ty
Good to see you Yogev, nice breakdown as always.
Sooo glad to see you back yogev! All the best!
Glad to have you back!
Love the collab too, awesome content
I was very suprised seeing you in my feed today. Glad you are back!
So happy you’re back! Your channel is one of my all time favorites!
Glad you’re back!! 🎉🥁
Glad you're back :) always interested in those meshuggah analysis!
This is all I needed thanks Yogev
Saludos desde Chile!
So glad to hear from Yogev after a long pause! Welcome back! 🎉
So glad to have you posting again! Have missed this channel and it's amazing way of helping me understand what I assumed was sheer sorcery and enjoying the songs even more.
Glad you are back. So insightful and funny at the same time.
Только посмотрите, кто вернулся!
Just look who's back!
Glad to see your back!! Missed the breakdowns man, Fr
So happy you are back!
YES! I've missed you and this series!
Heck yeah, glad to have you back! I'd been periodically checking every few months to see if a new video notice slipped through the cracks, so imagine my joy when this came up.
Glad to see you back, sir!
Glad to see a new video! Great work as always 😊
Welcome back! We missed you!!
Good to see you back man!
So good to see you and watch your content again 🤘
This content is amazing. Thx so much 🫶🏻
So glad to see you back! One of the best creators on UA-cam.
I'm glad you're back, man. I haven't understood Meshuggah for about a year and now suddenly I can!
I've missed your channel. Welcome back homie
This has always been a favorite of mine since its release. Used to listen on repeat until I got it down, that drum solo in the middle was fun 😅. Great to have you back Yogev!!!!
Great to see you back, hope all is well! Also, excellent video. I love being confused by music!
Been waiting since Halloween of 2022 for this
Well, I'm happy you stuck around !
Bravo as always homie 👏👏👏
Glad you're back Yogev, this is sick.
OMG, I've been waiting for a video from you for a LONG time. Welcome back. Hope all is well.
I'm glad you're back, Yogev! This was interesting and entertaining as usual! 😁 Looking forward for next weeks!
Hells yeh !
Some crazy stuff ahead !
Nice tease of Future Breed Machine there :D It's awesome to have you back, Yogev! Looking forward to the next one.
You make my life better, king🙏🏼
Yeassss glad you're back!!! Also awesome song 😮
Maybe it's just coincidence, but the verse "5 5 5 3 5", the shortened 3 causes the next 5 to start on beat 1 of the last group of 4 measures of 4/4.
In gtr solo #1 section, all three lines are palindromes, but the way you grouped "3443 43443" obscured that.
The second phrase of gtr solo #1 might be the palindrome "4 4 3 3 4 4 3 3 4 4" plus a final 4 to finish out the 4/4. However I suspect there's something going on mirror-wise with the melody which might apply to first phrase and not second phrase, so maybe not. I'd have to write out the pitches to make sense of it.
The x-o section can be broken down into palindromes several ways, but I dunno, again maybe coincidence.
The first line could be:
x o x o - o x o x
x o o x - x - x o o x
x
or
x
o x o - o x o
x x o o x - x - x o o x x
The second line is just:
o x o - o x o
x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x
Oh, if we just look at the last palindrome phrase of both lines, it's:
x x - o o - x x x - o o - x x (1st line)
x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x (2nd line)
i.e. they're the same but swapping the "x x" and "x x x", which is unlikely to be a coincidence. In fact, the second phrase of guitar solo 1 is basically the same pattern.
So my final analysis to show as much in common between both would be:
your 1st line:
x
o x o - o x o
x x - o o - x x x - o o - x x
your 2nd line:
o x o - o x o
x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x
and that's definitely not a coincidence.
Given all the other palindromes, and the stranded "x" at the beginning of the post-gtr-solo, I'd say your idea for the final section to split the 4 into "1+3" is appropriate.
Grouping each 4+3 as a "y" (and then y is 3+4 in the second half), I believe it's
yyy 4 yy 4 yy 3 1 3 yy 4 yy 4 yyy
y
Reeeally good insights! Looking for even more palindromes might be a nice lead to follow
Good stuff man!
Erf, you beat me by 2 hours 😅
OHHHHHHH YYEEESSSS wow !
I completely missed these options!
You sir, need to make a new and better MARROW video ! The options are endless, all I have are guesses.
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YOU CAME BACK. missed you
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Oh hell yeah, happy to see you back!
You can make these video about each and every song Meshuggah ever wrote and I'd still watch all of them, even without understanding half of what you explain
This song has been on my "to do cover list" for a very long time. Might be forced to approach it now 😊 great video!
I’m so confused, I discovered your channel yesterday and was sad that you didn’t upload in a year, but less than a day later you dropped this banger of a video. Congrats!
Good to see you again, Yogev!
I remember the vid that went around back in the day of someone who put Marrow over a KPop group practicing a dance routine. Good times.
Welcome back!
Amazing video as always Yogev! I find really easy to understand the number (beat) blocks that you use for visual representation. It really helps following along and just shows how creative Meshuggah are when it comes to wrritting riffs. Really enjoyed this video, thank you so much for your effort! Also shoutout to mr. Riccardo on the guitar. Learning this must've taken quite some time
Oh that's great to hear, I'n happy !
And yes, Riccardo KILLED it, he's the man !
Missed these videos! Thanks for making more!
Also, I thought I remember reading that you are in your late fifties, I think I must have imagined this, because there's no way.
@@Tatterdash71 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dude, I look AMAZING for late 50's you must admit.
I'm 35 !
Welcome back! We missed you.