I live in Vancouver across the river from Portland and can tell you it is a mess. Decriminalizing hard drug does not work. It only kills the drug users and sends money to the drug cartels. Either have drugs illegal and force drug addicts off the streets and into treatment or have hard drugs fully legal and regulate and tax them like they did with weed. But decriminalize is this area in between where nothing gets done. As for Portland, the downtown is a mess and I no longer go there. I used to go downtown all the time for markets and festivals. It is really a shame, Portland was a great place to live up until a few years ago. It is probably going to be a decade before it recovers
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
The drug cartels you are thinking of are Johnson & Johnson, Endo, Teva, and Allergan. The world keeps going after the small time criminals while the real ones get away laughing, while your love ones die from this poison. Waste of time and money, and nothing changes. Everyone pretends to care, but the real killers never get caught just paid lawsuits and fines.
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
@@republicrebellion4521 Yes it does, Portugal and the US are vastly different in terms of culture and drug issues. In Indonesia its 4-12 Years in prison for drug possession, and death penalty for drug distribution, and they don't have much of a drug problem. If it works there than it must work here right? Behavior doesn't change by the border.
@@keyboardcommando7000 Wait but, you just proved my point. You want drug laws to be stricter, and point to Indonesia. We can do the same that Portugal does in America. The problem is that Oregon didn’t do enough to focus on rehabilitation. They should honestly consider making it mandatory.
@@republicrebellion4521 Pretty sure you missed my point. I was being sarcastic about Indonesia. No one should be locked up for 4-12 years for possession, just as drugs shouldn't be decriminalized. Punishments too harsh wouldn't work here in the US, just as relaxed drugs laws wouldn't work.
The reason Oregon’s decriminalization has so many problems is because they did not implement any of the addiction services that Portugal did when they did the same, which is why Portugal has some of the lowest rates of addiction in Europe. Basically, all of the brunt of the ground work has been taken on by volunteer organizations and non-profits, which frankly aren’t even able to scratch the surface. There just aren’t enough resources for them. It seems whenever America tries some major progressive policy they tend to fail because the policy makers are too cheap to pay for the additional services needed.
I’ve lived through the whole change in Portugal . Their centres are not that advanced but are good . All in all they are still behind the quality of care in the rest of Europe, I have friends that worked in them as well as friends who are addicts which one social worker in drugs moving to Canada as the Portuguese system was very lacking.. The main difference is a cultural one which is why it succeeds in Portugal. Family and societal structure is very strong with a small population and high moral values. American culture is not similar to this at all . There is an entire social welfare system throughout Europe that supports homeless people as well social financing and free health care. If you lose your job in the US and have no where to live life is a lot harder . There is also no fentanyl in Europe and no desire by cartels to sell it. The Portuguese success has been great for Portugal but it’s not succeeded anywhere else for varying reasons which in my perception are societal. They are talking about introducing it into Scotland and it would be a disaster due to societal pressures that addicts their face.
Bingo…..there’s also never really a desire to demonstrate progressive policies work. So it’s a half-assed effort only to go back to spending 50 years doing things conservatives want that we know do not work. 🤷♂️
What does Portugal do to people who don't want treatment? Do those not seeking/refusing treatment, just hide their drug use until they're caught & forced to quit?
@@hlysnan6418 not true. Caffeine was almost made illegal in 1914, but the South wanted cocaine banned instead. If that would've happened, people now would be smoking it, snorting it and injecting it. Meth was legal until 1970. It was called the truckers drug. Look up articles from that era.. Meth wasn't really a problem until it was made illegal. Do some research with an open mind and I think that you will reconsider your position
I suppose that’s true, if by that you mean, the politicians took bribes from the pharmaceutical drug company heads in order to find people who use drugs that lost their patent ability due to their age, or to their nature. Yes, more of the same thing our corrupt government has been doing, working for bribe money, and not for the American people.
The best treatment is prevention. Once someone is exposed and uses self-abuse as a coping mechanism the rabbit hole is long and dark. Please be proactive in helping the youmg people in your communities and families. Coping skills and solid self-esteem can change the lives of many.
I know a lot of homeless people and none of them live in their own excrement and given the choice they would rather stay on the street then be in jail. Sounds like that would be your choice for them and not theirs. Jail isnt a solution. It actually facilitates more overdoses than it prevents. Research it and youll find im correct.
I ask myself a question, when will someone deal with this drug issue from a different perspective? They need to address the mental health of the individuals who use and abuse drugs, not the legal part of it. You solve the problem by identifying and healing the root cause, not the superficial layers.
That’s already been addressed - we already have free education, job programs, etc to help people get on the right path. Hence why 95% of people aren’t addicted to drugs. Don’t act like we already haven’t done anything
I watched a guy who has tried to help addicts get off the streets for over 20 years. He said the reality most people dont want to accept is that a lot of thesee people are "broken lightbulbs". The dopamine receptors have been so ruined by drugs they will litterally NEVER be happy living off drugs.
“For some” very few, in fact. When the rest of us who are law, biting citizens, not drug addicts, work hard and pay our taxes must suffer the consequences of the actions of the addicts who are permitted to litter the streets of our cities and towns with the remnants of their addictions.
Forcing rehab doesn't work since you will only get clean if you want to. It doesn't matter how long you force someone to stay clean since they'll relapse the second they're left on their own.
@@bigman94755 I get your point, but maybe we can just start with just actually having rehab that's accessible and affordable. and don't say there's no money for it because our military gets more than enough money every year
@@bigman94755 Well that's why you should get them clean and stop their addiction as just the first step. You should focus on building up their lives and giving them the environment and motivation to not relapse.
@@MrNote-lz7lh So then legalise drugs so they CAN have a chance to build their lives without worrying about going to prison, or ODing because some scumbag spiked their dose with fentanyl.
Theft is condemned by God as evil, but using the drugs that God created for us to use is not called, “crime,” by God, or by honest, loving people like myself. You have no right to tell me what drugs I can, and can’t use because of your fear or because of your false beliefs about them. The government is doing something exceedingly evil, they are taking bribes from liars who are headed towards the lake of fire, in order to knock out Big Pharma’s competition. If you don’t appreciate these drugs, I feel sorry for you. Have you never considered how magnificent the coca leaf is? How it treats, altitude sickness better than anything humans have, and so it was made illegal through bribery by people who sold patented altitude, sickness, drugs and painkillers? Have you ever tried heroin? I feel sorry for you if you haven’t. The vast majority of people who use it, don’t get addicted to it, they go on like me, living successful and satisfying, lives as healthy and intelligent people. These drugs don’t get sold by the billions because they’re toxic and evil, they get sold by the tens of billions because they’re awesome and useful. You can’t look at the very worst aspects of drug use, and pretend that this is the normative, that’s a stupid and harmful thing to do.
I think in Canada there is a city that did this. Now the city is overrun by criminals and drug addicts. It looks scary. You can see people walking thru there on UA-cam.
@@vinumsabbathi5288 yup, overdose deaths, disease, and locking people up for drugs has all gone down which has saved tons of money for the tax layers of Vancouver.
I got put in jail , went into drug court, kept testing dirty, kept being put in jail, then the judge put me in for 4 months, that’s when I got clean, came back into that program, never tested dirty, got a job, went to school at night, told myself everyday that I was a winner and i became a winner and now have a beautiful family
Treatment facilities aren't going to do much. You have to get to the root at why they are using to begin with. These people are trying to escape depression. These people need to find something in their lives where they can get off their depression and that will lead them to getting off drugs.
So wait wait wait wait a dirty dog minute.. even if they get caught with something there's a hotline they can call and have their fine paid for them? Tell me exactly what lesson they're supposed to be learning. So now the drugs are easier to get and easier to use and they don't have to pay their tickets.. freaking wow and I mean absolutely freaking wow
Don't expect them to dig that deep.. it's AMAZING that the figures of homeless deaths are finally out (from 2022 when they started tracking those).. Do you know why the "homeless crisis" is not getting addressed but after the leaves fall and the wind and rain pick up? MANUFACTURED SOLUTIONS FOR MANUFACTURED PROBLEMS.. The mafia we have passing for a government is making $ hand over fist, and it matters little how many tax slaves they pulverize in the process.
At least this law is not as horrible as the one in California where theft under $800 is a mandatory misdemeanor. This law actually helps drug addicts with shelter and needs.
We shot ourselves in the foot with this measure 110 business. The other half of the story they are not telling you is they never followed through on treatment avenues. Everyone is busy collecting salaries doing studies on how to do treatment but nothing has ever been done because there is just utter confusion and chaos on the government level. The governor of Oregon has even yelled at Portland about this and has stopped funding until something better can be done. In the meantime, I have to put up with people who are passed out from fentanyl at the transit stops while watching out for the people who are junking out on methamphetamine and screaming and carrying on like banshees. The people who wish to keep measure 110 in place are the ones who are profiting from it.
If I didn't get arrested and thrown in jail going on 9 years ago and forced to go to treatment or prison zero tolerance probation I'd be dead with almost everyone I knew from that life.
By criminalizing drugs nothing will change! We need more mental health programs, waiting months to get help isn't working. Changing the stigma of the people that use. They already feel bad about themselves, they would be more apt to seek help or accept help if they were treated better instead of treating them less than human. We all know someone that uses, family, friend, coworker, ect We need to educate our children early on. The government should educate & regulate. Pain Patients are being discriminated against by this so called Epidemic. Trauma is one thing most addics have in common. This issue needs worked on by many different angles.
instead of handing out citations all damn day, why can't pd go after the drug kingpins. don't tell me that trafficking isn't a prison sentence because i know that it is.
Supply and demand, there will just be another king pin in charge. King pins only make enough money to make it worth while for them because drugs are illegal and they can charge that much.
I'm currently stranded in Portland. This place is the grateful dead meets the walking dead. Reynolds Wrap should sponsor the city, there's so much of it everywhere. Don't go into Chinatown and keep your hand on your backpack or purse at all times.
Everything is made of atoms on the periodic table of elements. Anti drug people are whining all over some carbon and hydrogen. They rather make bombs with uranium and have fun playing call of duty. Overdoses don't even exist, that's why it's called over and not a dose. Look in the scientific literature to find the correct dose. Simple until opinions get involved.
There has been no positive effects for anyone in Oregon from this.. Unless they're considering exacerbating the addiction, homeless and cartel problem in the state as "positive effects"... Dumb
Had we normalized abortions, maybe some of these people wouldn't be part of this. Babies are cute, but when they grow into this, where are the anti-abortion people to help them?
You're absolutely right. The fake "law and order" crowd is now literally State-Forcing drug addicts so-called "pregnancies." More people need to stand up to this insanity. It's NOT "life"! Hell no!
The answer is to increase addiction services, not recriminalization. Police and jails are worried If they don’t keep their numbers up, they are not going get their funding that they’ve been accustomed to.
They have and it dont work, its in effect in seattle and the city is falling apart. Go look at down town, AMAZON a seattle business is pulling out of Seattle lol. Not stores the big office building they just built in the last 3 years with a homeless shelter attached. They are moving to cities on the outskirts of seattle that have better enforcment on open drug use and petit crimes.
Because they don't want homeless drug addicts, needles, and foil littering their cities? It's funny that people see the city falling apart and come to the conclusion that every city should be like Portland or San Francisco
You have to provide the drug of choice to the user. Decriminalizing drug use only alleviates one part of the problem. It does nothing for the criminal activity that keeps the money flowing to the cartels. Too much money is made keeping the problem going…like homelessness.
The threat of jail isn’t enough to make people get clean y’all. The law isn’t succeeding because we did nothing (or next to it) to increase rehab services
If a city was plagued with rapists.......... common sense says imprison the rapists.....problem solved If a city was plagued with hard druggies........ common sense says imprison the drug dealers, force the drug users to do community service.... if they decline = prison
It's gaslighting by the "trickle down" mafia mount Everest of Corruption (that owns the media) that has a special interest in Prohibition at all costs to line their pockets. The whole fake "law enforcement" apparatus is a multi billion $$$ industry that thrives on Prohibition and mass incarceration. They don't want to see the US have a successful exit strategy from the total failure of "war on drugs" that they profit from including outright on the drugs themselves. "Law enforcement" in many cases is in bed with the cartels one way or another. The gaslighting "news" owned by "trickle down" mafia has vested interest in portraying this in worst and most simplistic light possible and without any real context like 2020 year enacted was the fn PANDEMIC drug use went up in every city town across the U.S. and the rehabilitation is not yet built out. The "law enforcement" multi billion $$$ industry hates rehabilitation because it does NOT want any competition for tax dollars.
If people use in public that should land them in jail. But there should be a bifurcated system. Drug use should have a different system than the system used for violent offenses. Create incentives for people to use in safe houses. Privatize the rehab industry and watch the private sector come up with creative ways to get people on the path to recovery. Reward good performance with more government subsidies. Put it out to bid. Less drug users in prison saves tax payers money spent, wasted, on nonviolent offenders.
What is the thinking of the Oregon legislature on amending the laws to decriminalize drug usage. Do they know something we dont? The state is run by hippies or the children of hippies that moved up from San Francisco, California.
Where ever you stand. Throwing people in jail for trying to gain relief is morally wrong. You can’t just force people into sober living because that is your way of life. Everyone is different and many people are functional users where you would have no clue they use. Now…I disagree with “open air usage”. If you are homeless there should be a safe facility with medical staff where you can test, use, reprieve and then be assessed and allowed to leave freely. As well as offer comprehensive care options and drug education, such as addiction treatment. If you have a house just do it at home or somewhere private away from children under 18. If you are a religious person who has some moral issue with this you need to understand that GOD put these chemicals here. Satan does not have the power of creation. Let people be happy and make their own decisions without the fear of lengthy jail sentences that follow them for their entire life in some cases.
Is Oregon serious? How can u decriminalize hard drugs? How’s that beneficial to the society? Just a citation and $100 fine? U gotta be kidding! Decriminalizing hard drug usage is not progressive thinking at all. People in power need to be held responsible for this mess! How can u pass laws which don’t punish the usage of hard core drug’s responsible for so many deaths?
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
I feel like legalization makes more sense if you’re going that route. You get tax revenue and the product is regulated (you know the dose and know it’s not contaminated)
I've attended three different inpatient Therapeutic Community models that helped cure addiction....😅 it took three 6 months programs and a few hardcore face planting sessions😂❤ lucky to be alive....DRUGS ARE HORRIBLE but teaching people tools to deal with problems seems to be the bane of society
The prison industry, some of it private, makes 74 billion a year off tax payers for incarcerating drug users. We only spend about 10 billion on rehabilitation.
4:30 well a judge can sentence them to rehab, they don't always have to give a prison sentence Mandatory mental health treatment Some may be able to show up and go home at the end of the day, other may be secured on premises. If you don't show, get an arrest warrant.
About a week ago my wife and I were driving by the Safeway on MLK and Ainsworth, at the bus stop at that corner was a guy with no shirt on, his pants down below his waist and flashing his Johnson while smacking the glass at the bus stop. Obviously 110 is not helping people like that. Repeal it NOW.
I live in Portland and am a business owner here. This place is a disaster you couldnt imagine. Theft is a free for all. Zero traffic police what so ever. (Which is kinda nice 😂). Junkies all over the place. Absolutely every where. Cops are non existent. Don’t believe be? Come to Portland and spend the day and night in north Portland.
Decriminalization doesn't solve or remotely help the issue because the issue IS the BLACKMARKET! The Blackmarket fentenyl (which IS NOT Pharmaceutical grade compound) is random Fentenyl analogs, a plethora of which are in or finding their way into every drug of choice. So decrim doesn't just make it "suddenly disappear" . Full Federal legalization in which stores or pharmacies offer Clean drug supply for APPROVED users who've undergone an intake process , are in the specific database, can buy and receive a limit of a safe supply drug and must use it under the pharmacy supervision, in which they could offer treatment as well, for those interested. That's the ONLY way this would work! And could work! So taking Portugal approach and strengthening & improving it.
Too bad. This isn’t about the people who are addicted. It’s about future generations. The people who are addicted made their choice. Nobody made them do the drugs and become an addict. They did that consciously. And how can you say it’s a medical not moral decision. People morally choose whether or not to break the law. They choose morally, whether or not to touch drugs in the first place. If the penalty is great enough, then they will at least consider not starting.
This might have worked in a more insular setting but addicts from across the country are flocking here too. Drive around the city and its easy to see all of the out of state RVs and giant piles of garbage. Those aren't tourists.
Yes. And many have also moved here because of how liberal Oregon is with tax payer dollars for 'assistance". I've spoken to many have come here from Red states due to getting "more assistance" as they like to call it. Welfare is what it really. Some have even claimed to have been given bus tickets by their local cities as homeless to Porltand. Makes sense.
We have the capability of rehabilitating these people and turning them into better individuals then they would ever be on their own we need to change the system so employers would look forward to hiring people that came out of the system but we must change the system for the better and we must do it sooner than later wake up people start demanding action
@@BobSacamano666 Fentanyl users aren't able to maintain regular jobs and resort to life of crime to support their addiction. Most drug charges are misdemeanors and when felonies majority are expunged on completion of rehab programs and probation. Addiction programs need rewards and consequences, as oregon and California are proving with their horribly misguided programs.
What, only 64% were ignored? That means 36% actually took the help? That's an amazing success rate. You won't change people over night with one citation, but with such a success rate other countries that have decriminalized drugs would call that an overwhelming success! I don't think Portugal has such a rate of people taking up help offers, and they are the poster child for fighting drug abuse. Of course that's being thrown out of the window now, but that doesn't mean it's forever. (And for comparison, people going to jail and coming out to live in the same conditions that made them get addicted in the first place has a close to ZERO success rate)
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I lived in Portland until recently. It was a huge mistake. A once very nice city is being destroyed. The Washingon County DA is correct. Without the option of sending them to jail, many will choose to stay on drugs and on the street. The guy who was cited and indicated he would seek treatment is a rare exception. He almost seemed like an actor. planted by the people who do not want drugs being re-criminalized. The street drug users do not act so alert. The report that 64% ignore their citations is in accurate. It is about 97%. Even if treatment alone was the answer, having open drug use allowed in Portland only attracts more drug addicts from across the country. The city cannot afford to rehabilitate the addicts who move there. It is already the hoghest taxed city in the US, other than New York where a hogher tax rate kicks in for people with incomes in the millioms of dolalrs per year. In Portland, the high tax rate starts at $125,000. I left for Washington State with no income tax.
So it’s just free money from a non-profit or tax funded program to the city that’s having zero affect on the problem. Just skip the citations and give it straight to the cops. WITAF?
Not really, it averages about 30k for drug treatment in the US. The land of the free has the world's largest prison population at 2.3 million. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs $65k per inmate, per year. That's $74,750,000,000 we spend on prisons, some of them for profit which some politicians hold stock in, which is why the laws haven't changed.
I live in Vancouver across the river from Portland and can tell you it is a mess. Decriminalizing hard drug does not work. It only kills the drug users and sends money to the drug cartels. Either have drugs illegal and force drug addicts off the streets and into treatment or have hard drugs fully legal and regulate and tax them like they did with weed. But decriminalize is this area in between where nothing gets done. As for Portland, the downtown is a mess and I no longer go there. I used to go downtown all the time for markets and festivals. It is really a shame, Portland was a great place to live up until a few years ago. It is probably going to be a decade before it recovers
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
The drug cartels you are thinking of are Johnson & Johnson, Endo, Teva, and Allergan. The world keeps going after the small time criminals while the real ones get away laughing, while your love ones die from this poison. Waste of time and money, and nothing changes. Everyone pretends to care, but the real killers never get caught just paid lawsuits and fines.
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
Portugal
Countries that have decriminalized drugs also have mandated treatment programs, often times involuntary and do not allow open air drug use.
Just because it works in another country dosent mean it would work here
@@keyboardcommando7000Yes it can. Human behavior doesn’t change by the border.
@@republicrebellion4521 Yes it does, Portugal and the US are vastly different in terms of culture and drug issues. In Indonesia its 4-12 Years in prison for drug possession, and death penalty for drug distribution, and they don't have much of a drug problem. If it works there than it must work here right? Behavior doesn't change by the border.
@@keyboardcommando7000 Wait but, you just proved my point. You want drug laws to be stricter, and point to Indonesia. We can do the same that Portugal does in America. The problem is that Oregon didn’t do enough to focus on rehabilitation. They should honestly consider making it mandatory.
@@republicrebellion4521 Pretty sure you missed my point. I was being sarcastic about Indonesia. No one should be locked up for 4-12 years for possession, just as drugs shouldn't be decriminalized. Punishments too harsh wouldn't work here in the US, just as relaxed drugs laws wouldn't work.
As someone that has grown Up in Oregon measure 110 is one of the worst thing that has ever happened to the state
In the year 1700 there was a massive tsunami that ravaged the Oregon coast. This is bad but not as bad as that.
Along with lowering standards in public schools.
@@obscuremusictabs5927 Oregon didn't exist as a state in the year 1700
@@safeandeffectivelol And yet it, in a way, it did.
@safeandeffec😂😂😂😂😂😂tivelol
The reason Oregon’s decriminalization has so many problems is because they did not implement any of the addiction services that Portugal did when they did the same, which is why Portugal has some of the lowest rates of addiction in Europe. Basically, all of the brunt of the ground work has been taken on by volunteer organizations and non-profits, which frankly aren’t even able to scratch the surface. There just aren’t enough resources for them.
It seems whenever America tries some major progressive policy they tend to fail because the policy makers are too cheap to pay for the additional services needed.
I’ve lived through the whole change in Portugal . Their centres are not that advanced but are good . All in all they are still behind the quality of care in the rest of Europe, I have friends that worked in them as well as friends who are addicts which one social worker in drugs moving to Canada as the Portuguese system was very lacking.. The main difference is a cultural one which is why it succeeds in Portugal. Family and societal structure is very strong with a small population and high moral values. American culture is not similar to this at all . There is an entire social welfare system throughout Europe that supports homeless people as well social financing and free health care. If you lose your job in the US and have no where to live life is a lot harder . There is also no fentanyl in Europe and no desire by cartels to sell it. The Portuguese success has been great for Portugal but it’s not succeeded anywhere else for varying reasons which in my perception are societal. They are talking about introducing it into Scotland and it would be a disaster due to societal pressures that addicts their face.
Bingo…..there’s also never really a desire to demonstrate progressive policies work. So it’s a half-assed effort only to go back to spending 50 years doing things conservatives want that we know do not work. 🤷♂️
What does Portugal do to people who don't want treatment? Do those not seeking/refusing treatment, just hide their drug use until they're caught & forced to quit?
Of course not, they don't want to pay. They expect the addict, who sometimes has no job or financial resources, to pay for the treatment.
I've noticed some Rehabilitation programs trapping people who are trying to recover into debt slavery.@@lucycan6363
Decriminalization has been both a moral AND medical calamity.
True, we need full legalization. Decriminalization does little
@@chadperry7996 Certainly it does little in comparison to the harm which would result from full legalization...
@@hlysnan6418 not true. Caffeine was almost made illegal in 1914, but the South wanted cocaine banned instead. If that would've happened, people now would be smoking it, snorting it and injecting it. Meth was legal until 1970. It was called the truckers drug. Look up articles from that era.. Meth wasn't really a problem until it was made illegal. Do some research with an open mind and I think that you will reconsider your position
You know I've been a life long Republican. We are so analytical on every topic except when it comes to drugs
The only thing the war on drugs has achieved is to increase violence and promote illegal drug trafficking.
2020 was the year people let emotions get the better of them, as we can see.
The plandemic was definitely a part of it
I suppose that’s true, if by that you mean, the politicians took bribes from the pharmaceutical drug company heads in order to find people who use drugs that lost their patent ability due to their age, or to their nature. Yes, more of the same thing our corrupt government has been doing, working for bribe money, and not for the American people.
The best treatment is prevention. Once someone is exposed and uses self-abuse as a coping mechanism the rabbit hole is long and dark. Please be proactive in helping the youmg people in your communities and families. Coping skills and solid self-esteem can change the lives of many.
I love when people say jail is inhumane and punitive. Letting a person die in the street while living in their own excrement is worse.
Sounds like your saying that we should solve homlessnes and drug addiction by throwing people in jail.
I know a lot of homeless people and none of them live in their own excrement and given the choice they would rather stay on the street then be in jail. Sounds like that would be your choice for them and not theirs. Jail isnt a solution. It actually facilitates more overdoses than it prevents. Research it and youll find im correct.
Not for me NoLoling… don’t take my freedom But u can 🧐
@@petereasy1973 We need to reopen asylums. They got tons of mental illnesses
I ask myself a question, when will someone deal with this drug issue from a different perspective? They need to address the mental health of the individuals who use and abuse drugs, not the legal part of it. You solve the problem by identifying and healing the root cause, not the superficial layers.
Nah...these people made the decision to put drugs first. The best way to help, is to do nothing for them...tough love works best
That’s already been addressed - we already have free education, job programs, etc to help people get on the right path. Hence why 95% of people aren’t addicted to drugs. Don’t act like we already haven’t done anything
I watched a guy who has tried to help addicts get off the streets for over 20 years. He said the reality most people dont want to accept is that a lot of thesee people are "broken lightbulbs". The dopamine receptors have been so ruined by drugs they will litterally NEVER be happy living off drugs.
“For some” very few, in fact. When the rest of us who are law, biting citizens, not drug addicts, work hard and pay our taxes must suffer the consequences of the actions of the addicts who are permitted to litter the streets of our cities and towns with the remnants of their addictions.
Here’s a crazy idea? Instead of forcing jail, force rehab. Pretty simple idea.
Forcing rehab doesn't work since you will only get clean if you want to. It doesn't matter how long you force someone to stay clean since they'll relapse the second they're left on their own.
@@bigman94755 I get your point, but maybe we can just start with just actually having rehab that's accessible and affordable. and don't say there's no money for it because our military gets more than enough money every year
They start using the second their out lol
@@bigman94755
Well that's why you should get them clean and stop their addiction as just the first step. You should focus on building up their lives and giving them the environment and motivation to not relapse.
@@MrNote-lz7lh So then legalise drugs so they CAN have a chance to build their lives without worrying about going to prison, or ODing because some scumbag spiked their dose with fentanyl.
We decriminalized theft less than $1000 here in CA. Guess what’s happening?
Theft is condemned by God as evil, but using the drugs that God created for us to use is not called, “crime,” by God, or by honest, loving people like myself.
You have no right to tell me what drugs I can, and can’t use because of your fear or because of your false beliefs about them. The government is doing something exceedingly evil, they are taking bribes from liars who are headed towards the lake of fire, in order to knock out Big Pharma’s competition.
If you don’t appreciate these drugs, I feel sorry for you. Have you never considered how magnificent the coca leaf is? How it treats, altitude sickness better than anything humans have, and so it was made illegal through bribery by people who sold patented altitude, sickness, drugs and painkillers?
Have you ever tried heroin? I feel sorry for you if you haven’t. The vast majority of people who use it, don’t get addicted to it, they go on like me, living successful and satisfying, lives as healthy and intelligent people. These drugs don’t get sold by the billions because they’re toxic and evil, they get sold by the tens of billions because they’re awesome and useful. You can’t look at the very worst aspects of drug use, and pretend that this is the normative, that’s a stupid and harmful thing to do.
I think in Canada there is a city that did this. Now the city is overrun by criminals and drug addicts. It looks scary. You can see people walking thru there on UA-cam.
I voted NO! This is the inevitable outcome!
Yes only going half way instead of fully legal definitely isn't progress.
@@BobSacamano666 Have you seen canada? Everything in vancouver got legalized and the result is still the same...
@@vinumsabbathi5288 yup, overdose deaths, disease, and locking people up for drugs has all gone down which has saved tons of money for the tax layers of Vancouver.
@@BobSacamano666Like Offering a Safe Supply. Yes Canada is proposing to be the only drug dealer in town
@@arnowisp6244 good, then they can tax those drugs and use the money to get people into treatment.
I got put in jail , went into drug court, kept testing dirty, kept being put in jail, then the judge put me in for 4 months, that’s when I got clean, came back into that program, never tested dirty, got a job, went to school at night, told myself everyday that I was a winner and i became a winner and now have a beautiful family
Treatment facilities aren't going to do much. You have to get to the root at why they are using to begin with. These people are trying to escape depression. These people need to find something in their lives where they can get off their depression and that will lead them to getting off drugs.
The problem is it was implemented like crap. All carrot no stick.
Why I left Portland, and have no plans to return.
And so now you deal with dope fiends somewhere else.
So wait wait wait wait a dirty dog minute.. even if they get caught with something there's a hotline they can call and have their fine paid for them? Tell me exactly what lesson they're supposed to be learning. So now the drugs are easier to get and easier to use and they don't have to pay their tickets.. freaking wow and I mean absolutely freaking wow
Everything is backwards in Portland and Seattle. Thats all you need to know.
The liberal way!
Fund treatment, not prisons!
I wonder how many of those people moved there after the law changed compared to how many that were already there and had a problem
Don't expect them to dig that deep.. it's AMAZING that the figures of homeless deaths are finally out (from 2022 when they started tracking those)..
Do you know why the "homeless crisis" is not getting addressed but after the leaves fall and the wind and rain pick up?
MANUFACTURED SOLUTIONS FOR MANUFACTURED PROBLEMS.. The mafia we have passing for a government is making $ hand over fist, and it matters little how many tax slaves they pulverize in the process.
I imagine it's similar to California, where alot of homeless are bussed there by Florida and Texas.
At least this law is not as horrible as the one in California where theft under $800 is a mandatory misdemeanor. This law actually helps drug addicts with shelter and needs.
We shot ourselves in the foot with this measure 110 business. The other half of the story they are not telling you is they never followed through on treatment avenues. Everyone is busy collecting salaries doing studies on how to do treatment but nothing has ever been done because there is just utter confusion and chaos on the government level. The governor of Oregon has even yelled at Portland about this and has stopped funding until something better can be done. In the meantime, I have to put up with people who are passed out from fentanyl at the transit stops while watching out for the people who are junking out on methamphetamine and screaming and carrying on like banshees. The people who wish to keep measure 110 in place are the ones who are profiting from it.
If I didn't get arrested and thrown in jail going on 9 years ago and forced to go to treatment or prison zero tolerance probation I'd be dead with almost everyone I knew from that life.
Born and raised in Kensington if u kno u kno. Jail is what got me clean. Its all how u use ur time while locked up.
I grew up in NY/NJ area and caught a glimpse of Kensington. Glad made it out.
Good for Oregon. Putting addicts in jail and prison doesn’t stop them from using.
Either do these lame programs.
It only creates more felons who can't get jobs.
Prohibition has a perfect unblemished track record of failure for over 100 years.
Criminalization doesn’t help. But neither does lawlessness.
By criminalizing drugs nothing will change!
We need more mental health programs, waiting months to get help isn't working.
Changing the stigma of the people that use.
They already feel bad about themselves, they would be more apt to seek help or accept help if they were treated better instead of treating them less than human.
We all know someone that uses, family, friend, coworker, ect
We need to educate our children early on.
The government should educate & regulate.
Pain Patients are being discriminated against by this so called Epidemic.
Trauma is one thing most addics have in common.
This issue needs worked on by many different angles.
Fentanyl, heroin, and meth should be stigmatized
LOL whenever someone tell you "yea for sure" it mean i'm just being nice and telling you what you want to hear LMAO
instead of handing out citations all damn day, why can't pd go after the drug kingpins. don't tell me that trafficking isn't a prison sentence because i know that it is.
Pfizer and the others have immunity. And the patents
Supply and demand, there will just be another king pin in charge. King pins only make enough money to make it worth while for them because drugs are illegal and they can charge that much.
Exactly
I'm currently stranded in Portland. This place is the grateful dead meets the walking dead. Reynolds Wrap should sponsor the city, there's so much of it everywhere. Don't go into Chinatown and keep your hand on your backpack or purse at all times.
I used to be a medical transport driver in portland, 2020 changed all of that and now I have no retirement, no life and no hope.
Oregon's law is the opposite of how China got off of opium addiction by the British
The whole fentanyl epidemic is just payback to the west for Chinas opium wars.
“It’s not a war on drugs it’s a war on personal freedom is what it is, keep that in mind at all times”-Bill Hicks
Everything is made of atoms on the periodic table of elements. Anti drug people are whining all over some carbon and hydrogen. They rather make bombs with uranium and have fun playing call of duty. Overdoses don't even exist, that's why it's called over and not a dose. Look in the scientific literature to find the correct dose. Simple until opinions get involved.
just let people be
There has been no positive effects for anyone in Oregon from this.. Unless they're considering exacerbating the addiction, homeless and cartel problem in the state as "positive effects"... Dumb
He said if you don't go to rehab they will pay the din for you.. who is they...the tax payers?
We spend 74 billion in taxes locking people up for drugs every year, so paying these fines is just a drop in the bucket compared to that.
@@BobSacamano666 yes it is a drop. However those drops become gallons very quickly when it happens hundreds of not .more time a month. Every month.
@@jamesmartin4857 doesn't come close to comparing with incarceration.
Had we normalized abortions, maybe some of these people wouldn't be part of this. Babies are cute, but when they grow into this, where are the anti-abortion people to help them?
You're absolutely right. The fake "law and order" crowd is now literally State-Forcing drug addicts so-called "pregnancies." More people need to stand up to this insanity. It's NOT "life"! Hell no!
The answer is to increase addiction services, not recriminalization. Police and jails are worried If they don’t keep their numbers up, they are not going get their funding that they’ve been accustomed to.
This is very interesting when you find out the demographics of Portland and even Oregon.🤔 Why can't they try this in other states?
They have and it dont work, its in effect in seattle and the city is falling apart. Go look at down town, AMAZON a seattle business is pulling out of Seattle lol. Not stores the big office building they just built in the last 3 years with a homeless shelter attached. They are moving to cities on the outskirts of seattle that have better enforcment on open drug use and petit crimes.
It doesn't work
Seattle reverse it for them
Because they don't want homeless drug addicts, needles, and foil littering their cities?
It's funny that people see the city falling apart and come to the conclusion that every city should be like Portland or San Francisco
You have to provide the drug of choice to the user. Decriminalizing drug use only alleviates one part of the problem. It does nothing for the criminal activity that keeps the money flowing to the cartels.
Too much money is made keeping the problem going…like homelessness.
‘What you have is individuals incarcerated’… that sounds great!
The threat of jail isn’t enough to make people get clean y’all. The law isn’t succeeding because we did nothing (or next to it) to increase rehab services
Not true plenty of people turn their lives around from jail
If a city was plagued with rapists.......... common sense says imprison the rapists.....problem solved
If a city was plagued with hard druggies........ common sense says imprison the drug dealers, force the drug users to do community service.... if they decline = prison
This feels gaslighty to me.
It's gaslighting by the "trickle down" mafia mount Everest of Corruption (that owns the media) that has a special interest in Prohibition at all costs to line their pockets. The whole fake "law enforcement" apparatus is a multi billion $$$ industry that thrives on Prohibition and mass incarceration. They don't want to see the US have a successful exit strategy from the total failure of "war on drugs" that they profit from including outright on the drugs themselves. "Law enforcement" in many cases is in bed with the cartels one way or another. The gaslighting "news" owned by "trickle down" mafia has vested interest in portraying this in worst and most simplistic light possible and without any real context like 2020 year enacted was the fn PANDEMIC drug use went up in every city town across the U.S. and the rehabilitation is not yet built out. The "law enforcement" multi billion $$$ industry hates rehabilitation because it does NOT want any competition for tax dollars.
The problem is they've decriminalized drug dealing, too.
I live near Portland and it's an absolute shitshow. So many people openly smoking drugs all over the city.
If people use in public that should land them in jail. But there should be a bifurcated system. Drug use should have a different system than the system used for violent offenses. Create incentives for people to use in safe houses. Privatize the rehab industry and watch the private sector come up with creative ways to get people on the path to recovery. Reward good performance with more government subsidies. Put it out to bid. Less drug users in prison saves tax payers money spent, wasted, on nonviolent offenders.
Positive effects for some. And negative effects for ALL.
What is the thinking of the Oregon legislature on amending the laws to decriminalize drug usage. Do they know something we dont? The state is run by hippies or the children of hippies that moved up from San Francisco, California.
The intro was dramatic. Whatever record we are breaking, other cities are probably breaking it too
How has this new law effected the overall crime rate?
Where ever you stand. Throwing people in jail for trying to gain relief is morally wrong.
You can’t just force people into sober living because that is your way of life. Everyone is different and many people are functional users where you would have no clue they use.
Now…I disagree with “open air usage”. If you are homeless there should be a safe facility with medical staff where you can test, use, reprieve and then be assessed and allowed to leave freely. As well as offer comprehensive care options and drug education, such as addiction treatment.
If you have a house just do it at home or somewhere private away from children under 18.
If you are a religious person who has some moral issue with this you need to understand that GOD put these chemicals here. Satan does not have the power of creation.
Let people be happy and make their own decisions without the fear of lengthy jail sentences that follow them for their entire life in some cases.
Is Oregon serious? How can u decriminalize hard drugs? How’s that beneficial to the society? Just a citation and $100 fine? U gotta be kidding! Decriminalizing hard drug usage is not progressive thinking at all. People in power need to be held responsible for this mess! How can u pass laws which don’t punish the usage of hard core drug’s responsible for so many deaths?
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.
I feel like legalization makes more sense if you’re going that route. You get tax revenue and the product is regulated (you know the dose and know it’s not contaminated)
How do you legalize fentanyl pills that are made in china?
@Ryan-rp1es you legalize ones made in the US then hopefully that would reduce demand for the ones made in China
This is What Destroyed Oregon! Salem is Really Bad !!!
I've attended three different inpatient Therapeutic Community models that helped cure addiction....😅 it took three 6 months programs and a few hardcore face planting sessions😂❤
lucky to be alive....DRUGS ARE HORRIBLE but teaching people tools to deal with problems seems to be the bane of society
Someone should have told you about ibogaine.
Someone is getting extremely rich out there! Does anyone want treatment?
The prison industry, some of it private, makes 74 billion a year off tax payers for incarcerating drug users. We only spend about 10 billion on rehabilitation.
4:30 well a judge can sentence them to rehab, they don't always have to give a prison sentence
Mandatory mental health treatment
Some may be able to show up and go home at the end of the day, other may be secured on premises.
If you don't show, get an arrest warrant.
You guys were nuts for trying that.
A friend of mine was arrested for heroine in a red state. He’s out now and off of probation. He still uses…
Justin beiber poops in the am. Sometimes in the pm as well😮
Plus now he's a felon and can't get a regular job.
Sounds like your friend is shooting up poison
Not smart...
You have states where you buy Fentanyl legally ,but cannot buy a single beer after 2am ! 🤯
About a week ago my wife and I were driving by the Safeway on MLK and Ainsworth, at the bus stop at that corner was a guy with no shirt on, his pants down below his waist and flashing his Johnson while smacking the glass at the bus stop. Obviously 110 is not helping people like that. Repeal it NOW.
Apparently sometimes giving people what they want isn’t always the answer
Portland Oregon should serve as a case study of what could happen if we decriminalize drugs in the entire US smfh
Gotta tighten up the laws
When you’re incarcerated, it’s difficult to get fentanyl.
I live in Portland and am a business owner here.
This place is a disaster you couldnt imagine.
Theft is a free for all.
Zero traffic police what so ever. (Which is kinda nice 😂).
Junkies all over the place. Absolutely every where.
Cops are non existent.
Don’t believe be?
Come to Portland and spend the day and night in north Portland.
Decriminalization doesn't solve or remotely help the issue because the issue IS the BLACKMARKET! The Blackmarket fentenyl (which IS NOT Pharmaceutical grade compound) is random Fentenyl analogs, a plethora of which are in or finding their way into every drug of choice. So decrim doesn't just make it "suddenly disappear" . Full Federal legalization in which stores or pharmacies offer Clean drug supply for APPROVED users who've undergone an intake process , are in the specific database, can buy and receive a limit of a safe supply drug and must use it under the pharmacy supervision, in which they could offer treatment as well, for those interested. That's the ONLY way this would work! And could work! So taking Portugal approach and strengthening & improving it.
If my brother was arrested he would still be alive today
History shows you can't arrest your way out of addiction.
Hahahahahahahaha. Here is a ticket. Really ?! Come on do better!
Too bad. This isn’t about the people who are addicted. It’s about future generations. The people who are addicted made their choice. Nobody made them do the drugs and become an addict. They did that consciously. And how can you say it’s a medical not moral decision. People morally choose whether or not to break the law. They choose morally, whether or not to touch drugs in the first place. If the penalty is great enough, then they will at least consider not starting.
This draws a lot of users from out of state, compounding the problem as there are few resources for rehab
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See, when you decriminalize drug use, you still need to make it illegal to use it out in public. Public drunkenness is illegal, so should drug use.
This might have worked in a more insular setting but addicts from across the country are flocking here too. Drive around the city and its easy to see all of the out of state RVs and giant piles of garbage. Those aren't tourists.
The problem is that Americans have all these rights. Someone will just sue someone because they dont get to do whatever they want. 🙄
Is anyone surprised? Anyone?
So, you can't drink a beer in public,.............................But...
Did more people move to Oregon because of this?
Yes. And many have also moved here because of how liberal Oregon is with tax payer dollars for 'assistance". I've spoken to many have come here from Red states due to getting "more assistance" as they like to call it. Welfare is what it really. Some have even claimed to have been given bus tickets by their local cities as homeless to Porltand. Makes sense.
To bad everyone who voted NO on this idiotic idea, can’t file a suit for damaging their state and way of life. Who thought this would be a good idea?
How do these people buy the drugs.
We have the capability of rehabilitating these people and turning them into better individuals then they would ever be on their own we need to change the system so employers would look forward to hiring people that came out of the system but we must change the system for the better and we must do it sooner than later wake up people start demanding action
Hard to get felons jobs, and half of all inmates in the US are in for non violent drug offenses.
Thing likthis don’t work over night, it takes time - reality isn’t an iPad. Reality works on its own time
Positive effects for some?!?!?!? Who?
People not becoming a felon and then not being able to get a regular job and lives a steady life resorting to crime for a living is a plus.
@@BobSacamano666 Fentanyl users aren't able to maintain regular jobs and resort to life of crime to support their addiction. Most drug charges are misdemeanors and when felonies majority are expunged on completion of rehab programs and probation. Addiction programs need rewards and consequences, as oregon and California are proving with their horribly misguided programs.
How is this working when their cities are some of the most decrepit in the nation?
it pisses me off the cop is like no worries, call this number they will pay the fine for you, WTF?
Much to the dismay of the corporate media.
In eureka they don't ticket for dope. It's everywhere but the police realize it's part of our culture
This law is a perfect example of how stupid people can be leaders.
😂 your comment is a perfect example of how the same can leave comments
What, only 64% were ignored? That means 36% actually took the help? That's an amazing success rate. You won't change people over night with one citation, but with such a success rate other countries that have decriminalized drugs would call that an overwhelming success! I don't think Portugal has such a rate of people taking up help offers, and they are the poster child for fighting drug abuse. Of course that's being thrown out of the window now, but that doesn't mean it's forever.
(And for comparison, people going to jail and coming out to live in the same conditions that made them get addicted in the first place has a close to ZERO success rate)
Malignant egalitarianism.
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I lived in Portland until recently. It was a huge mistake. A once very nice city is being destroyed. The Washingon County DA is correct. Without the option of sending them to jail, many will choose to stay on drugs and on the street. The guy who was cited and indicated he would seek treatment is a rare exception. He almost seemed like an actor. planted by the people who do not want drugs being re-criminalized. The street drug users do not act so alert. The report that 64% ignore their citations is in accurate. It is about 97%. Even if treatment alone was the answer, having open drug use allowed in Portland only attracts more drug addicts from across the country. The city cannot afford to rehabilitate the addicts who move there. It is already the hoghest taxed city in the US, other than New York where a hogher tax rate kicks in for people with incomes in the millioms of dolalrs per year. In Portland, the high tax rate starts at $125,000. I left for Washington State with no income tax.
Some people act funny when you put money in their face
Oregon is a 3rd world country
10 miles outside of most US cities is a 3rd world country.
Portland* is a 3rd world country
What did you think was going to happen junkies shouldn’t be rewarded
So it’s just free money from a non-profit or tax funded program to the city that’s having zero affect on the problem. Just skip the citations and give it straight to the cops. WITAF?
How can you even enjoy your decriminalized drugs in a city like Portland lol
Drug treatment pays twice the amount as normal incarceration❤ it's all money laundering
Not really, it averages about 30k for drug treatment in the US. The land of the free has the world's largest prison population at 2.3 million. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs $65k per inmate, per year. That's $74,750,000,000 we spend on prisons, some of them for profit which some politicians hold stock in, which is why the laws haven't changed.
Did they decriminalized public intoxication also?