Gamer Setup - This router can save your marriage!
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2017
- In this video I show you how to setup an Edge Router X and a Unifi Access Point. The ER-X is especially interesting for gamers as it supports SQM, which helps to prevent ping spikes caused by congestion.
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5:05 copy/paste mistake :( The USG costs €111.88 / $119.00
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- 2:02 it fixes your marriage?
- 3:36 why an ER-X instead of OpenWRT/LEDE?
- 4:09 why an ER-X instead of an USG?
- 6:27 ER-X basic setup
- 9:19 ER-X Smart Queue configuration
- 10:06 ER-X Port forwarding and UPNP
- 13:13 Unifi Access Point setup
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Buffer Bloat Test: dslreports.com/speedtest
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---------- UPNP2 Setup -----------
//delete old upnp1 service
delete service upnp
//check if upnp2 is active (it's not if this doesn't return a number):
pidof miniupnpd
//show routes opened by upnp2
show upnp2 rules
//enable upnp2
configure
set service upnp2 listen-on $LAN_INTERFACE_1
...
set service upnp2 listen-on $LAN_INTERFACE_N
set service upnp2 wan $WAN_INTERFACE
set service upnp2 secure-mode enable
set service upnp2 nat-pmp enable
commit
save
exit
---------- // UPNP2 Setup -----------
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This video started me on the dark, seductive path that is home networking, from simple 5 port switch and cable modem router to Ubiquiti USG Pro, APs, Synology backup, and surveillance systems among other goodies. Thank you, Battle(non)sense. I should send you my receipts. lol!
I have had this exact setup since watching this video about 6 months ago. It has been perfect. No lag in gaming and a trouble free up time on my home network.
Jokes on you, I'm not married!
Show enough ladies and it will fix that too.. :)
So sad..
Should've bought this router sooner then.
This is a great video. I actually just purchased the EdgeRouter X and the Unifi AP-AC Lite and was looking for videos on how to set up for when I get fiber connected next week, and this explains everything perfectly. Can't believe how professional this product suite is at such a reasonable price, much cheaper than those all in one gaming wireless MIMO routers with antenna's all sticking out the wazoo and seems it may even perform better than this stuff at half the cost. Wasn't aware of such a thing as Buffer bloat with me being a casual gamer. But you learn something new every day.
You Sir deserve a medal, thank you for your time and knowledge, I just want to say that people like you that share their expertise in online communities make the internet world a little bit better, thanks again, and keep it up!
Not sure if it's been mentioned but if you're running the UniFi Controller with the USG Pro (I already owned this device); While accessing the controller, you can click "Devices", select your USG-PRO to open the properties panel, click the "Configuration" tab, expand WAN1, and then you will find the Smart Queue check box at the bottom. Checking it will then allow you to enter your Up/Down speeds.
youtube recently suggested your video.. I've been running that same equipment since mid-2016 and it's been the best move i ever made. cheers
Lifesaver man. I’ve been watching alot of utube over the years and ur chanels top notch. Good luck with future work.
One of the best tips ever! I just connected the Edge Router to my "Drei Neo" modem and only set the QoS up. I changed nothing in the modem settings, you can even let the DHCP of the modem on, the Edge Router X knows that it`s a separate network then and has a own DHCP for the Ports 1-4. I went from B,D,A to A+,A+,A+!
Ubiquiti SHOULD be paying you for this. By far the most clear instructions for setting up an edge router and access point. Thank you so much for this. Been having massive lag spikes on Citrix RDP.
This is the best video i seen from you, thanks for doing it, really good stuff on it, i been an ubiquiti user (mostly AP) for more than 4 years now and i very happy with them, i just wished my ISP allowed me to use an Edge router X.
After so many month have passed, i finally came back here and ordert that router using your link! :D Was planning on this forever and now i need Smart Que! :D thanks man
Good video, made me look into my pfsense box and I enabled the traffic shaping. Helped for sure.
After a week of looking around at routers and researching whats best, you finally sold me on the Ubiquity set up.
Thanks for this video!
10 months later...
Couldnt be happier with this setup, thank you!
Just got my new connection and was very pleasantly surprised. Using the Router my ISP provided (Speedport Smart on a VDSL100 line from Telekom) and had practically no bufferbloat!
The DSLReports test gave me a rating of "A".
I wasn't looking forward to having to install an additional device to get a rock stable connection at all times.
So for anyone in Germany eyeing a setup like mine: Rejoice, no additional hardware needed!
This is a very good video. Well paced, just the right level of detail. Thank you.
Great video. I am so thankful for it as I am searching the perfect setup for myself since a couple of years and I think I finally found it. I have a Fiber connection with 1Gig Up/Down and couldn’t use my preferred way to go with OpenWRT based devices as these always reduced the speed to max. 400 MBit just because OpenWRT and all other Third party firmwares were not able to handle 1Gig Internet speed.
Now I will just connect all rooms with gaming devices to the edge router directly and the unifi access point in the middle of my home to provide the maximum WiFi performance to phones and laptops.
Wow! Ich hab meinen 4 Jahre alten Linksys Router nach deinem Video mit der UBNT Hardware ersetzt und bin begeistert!
Habe jetzt ein viel stabileren Ping und UA-cam schauen neben einem größeren Download ist jetzt auch überhaupt kein Problem mehr. Sogar die WLAN Verbindung ist jetzt überall wesentlich stabiler. Nochmal Danke für diesen Augenöffner!
Gerne!
Another great video. I had this issue - always with Apple devices hogging bandwidth or Netflix usage. Smart Queue really helped. These Edge routers are brilliant value for money.
Thank you SOOOOO much for this tutorial! I've been having what seems to be like random ping issues for MONTHS. I think this is going to help a lot. I can't wait for a few hours gaming session to see what my pings do. I've gone from F to A+ for BufferBloat.
MAIKERU79 how is gaming now?
how did you go from f to a+ ?
@@iiparam-wz202 I was using a test (I have forgotten which one I was using) that would evaluate ping issues. It rated me at a F initially. After using the tutorial (buying the equipment and setting up the network as described), it was rated as an "A+" for buffer bloat.
M3dicine dsl reports and nice
Sir... I sincerely applaud you! I live in The Netherlands and have the luxury of a very high quality 1000Mb/1000Mb fiber connection. The hardware they supplied did the job well but with a huge bufferbloat problem "D". They will let you use your own hardware but cannot provide assistance with configuration. They give the basic input like: Use DHCP and VLAN ID xx etc. ...ER X (second hand) is so cheap these days that I couldn't loose anything so I gave it a shot. A factory reset and plug it in --> firmware update --> wizard (this is a joke so easy for a non consumer router). Testing is and around 300Mb up and down with a bufferbloat "C". Followed your step for the QoS with 150Mb cap on both up and down. and testing is 150Mb up and down with bufferbloat ''A+". ...Went a step further to see if this device is bottlenecking my max. ISP signal. Offloading enabled gave me 930Mb up or down. that is the same with my old hardware. I do understand that this max. speed can only be either downloading or uploading. But for @home use there is almost nothing that uses high speeds in both directions at the same time. This router is still the best option to go for in mid 2019! Even for high fiber customers. The QoS is the real king for gaming and is doesn't matter if you can't use you max download. Gaming can be done on a 20Mb connection. It's al about the quality of that one specific connection.
You were speaking of that a moderate connection would not always be the issue for bad online gaming experience. I would love to see you make a in depth video where you explain that more. I would love to learn more about that.
Thanks again!
Same here in Poland. I'm on 10Gbits/s up/down fibrewire, new line architecture etc., but the router they gave me is pure s**t. Still struggling to fix NAT problems not to mention bufferbloat...
Great explanation. Bufferbloat and ping spikes are gone now. Have the newest firmware for the Edgerouter X v2.0.6 and the overall internet speed only fell from 860 mbps to 480 mbps downstream - not too bad a penalty for having an A+ gameplay expiriance for the boys.
Best video I have seen about this topic in terms of how simple I is to understand and great visual aids.
I know this video is quite old but the last 6 months ive been using edgerouter x as my router/firewall and i have to say...THANK YOU sir for this video...thanks to you i can now enjoy my games even with all my family online.
Sweet! Finally a GOOD solution! Thank you very much!
amazing work on this tutorial. really clear, good explanations and speed.
As a Ubiquiti installer in London where we have big businesses with bad internet connection, I am thankful to you :D
MANY MANY THANKS!!!! I bought it and replaced even my ISP modem and SMQ works perfect!!! This was my biggest frustration for over 10 years CoD! My internet speed is 200/200 but to get the perfect buffer bloat I had to put in 100/100 for speeds otherwise the speeds are to high for the router to work perfectly. I tested it and it plays so sick and smooth i just still can't believe it. i do have to mention i put my Netgear XR500 behind it for the Netduma software to be sure to play on close servers. When i perfectly have setup and done with more testing en setting up I will look on patreon to sponsor a little bit just as an appretiation for so much frustration that NOOOOO BIG UA-camR show how come they have great internet and only show the gameplay.
Can you tell more about your setup edgerouter and netduma.
Absolutely agree with Battle(non)sense with his findings. I have seen other users have to really limit their bandwidth to get reasonable BufferBloat results on the NetDuma and other devices. With the EdgeRouter Lite I don't lose my performance.
However I would suggest the EdgeRouter Lite over the X. Yes it is a little more, I have both, but there is a clear performance difference between the 2. I would even take the Lite over the USG.
I do have an entire Unifi setup, USG Pros, switches and WAPs at my workplace. I do not get paid nor do I have any affiliation with Ubiquiti but I have not had any issues. I really like the administration of all 3 of my networks being in 1 location!
My ISP package is 300Mbps X 20Mbps but without any settings I will see 350Mbps X 28Mbps. I have my own modem (Netgear CM600) and have my EdgeRouter Lite, no ISP equipment at all. I have 2 PS4s and a PS3 that I would like open to the internet so less administration for me.
This is a sample on commands to configure for multiple Xboxs on a single Network. I use the GUI for DHCP reservations, this user didn't. For multiple Xboxs you need an extra rule to block port 3074.
Access the EdgeRouter CLI
configure
set service dhcp-server shared-network-name LAN1 subnet 192.168.1.0/24 static-mapping XBOX-1 ip-address 192.168.1.241
set service dhcp-server shared-network-name LAN1 subnet 192.168.1.0/24 static-mapping XBOX-1 mac-address 50:1A:C5:A2:A6:51
set service dhcp-server shared-network-name LAN1 subnet 192.168.1.0/24 static-mapping XBOX-2 ip-address 192.168.1.242
set service dhcp-server shared-network-name LAN1 subnet 192.168.1.0/24 static-mapping XBOX-2 mac-address 4C:0B:BE:52:A4:2E
set service upnp2 listen-on eth0
set service upnp2 nat-pmp enable
set service upnp2 secure-mode enable
set service upnp2 wan eth1
set service upnp2 acl rule 10 action deny
set service upnp2 acl rule 10 description "Block default Xbox Live port 3074"
set service upnp2 acl rule 10 external-port 3074
set service upnp2 acl rule 10 local-port 0-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 10 subnet 192.168.1.0/24
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 action allow
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 description "Allow XBOX-1"
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 external-port 1024-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 local-port 0-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 subnet 192.168.1.241/32
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 action allow
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 description "Allow XBOX-2"
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 external-port 1024-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 local-port 0-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 subnet 192.168.1.242/32
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 action deny
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 description "Deny All other devices"
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 external-port 1024-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 local-port 0-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 subnet 0.0.0.0/0
commit
save
Here is my configuration example. I have my WAN on Eth0.
configure
set service upnp2 listen-on eth1
set service upnp2 nat-pmp enable
set service upnp2 secure-mode enable
set service upnp2 wan eth0
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 action allow
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 description "Allow PS4"
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 external-port 1024-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 local-port 0-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 20 subnet 10.10.25.80/32
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 action allow
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 description "Allow PS4 Pro"
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 external-port 1024-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 local-port 0-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 30 subnet 10.10.25.83/32
set service upnp2 acl rule 40 action allow
set service upnp2 acl rule 40 description "Allow PS3"
set service upnp2 acl rule 40 external-port 1024-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 40 local-port 0-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 40 subnet 10.10.25.82/32
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 action deny
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 description "Deny All other devices"
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 external-port 1024-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 local-port 0-65535
set service upnp2 acl rule 100 subnet 0.0.0.0/0
commit
save
I have only setup 1 QoS rule. In Smart Queue I have limited my Upload to 25Mbps (even though my upload package is 20Mbps) and I get A across the board with DSLReports speed test.
www.dslreports.com/speedtest/26413509
Hey Chris. If you have both these devices, you can use the poe injector that comes with the WAP to power both the router and the WAP. Put the ethernet cable coming from the modem into the LAN port of the injector and the put the ethernet cable coming from eth0 (poe in) on the router into the POE port of the injector. Next put a ethernet cable into eth4 (poe out) on the router and put the other end into the WAP, now enable POE passthrough on eth4. Now when you power on the poe injector will will power both the router and WAP.
I was using the Asus GT-AC5300 (total overpriced junk by the way). I would get terrible spikes. Watched this video and went out right away and bought this stuff and it's a world of difference. I'm stuck on a 20Mbps/1Mbps connection and struggle to play games as well as run everything in the house. Thanks so much for making this video as I can finally game online.
I bought the edge router x because of its fallback wan but realized I didn't need it. It just found it's worth with your video. from Rank D C C now its A A A! Thanks
5:05 copy/paste mistake :( The USG costs €111.88 / $119.00
Timecodes:
- 2:02 it fixes your marriage?
- 3:36 why an ER-X instead of OpenWRT/LEDE?
- 4:09 why an ER-X instead of an USG?
- 6:27 ER-X basic setup
- 9:19 ER-X Smart Queue configuration
- 10:06 ER-X Port forwarding and UPNP
- 13:13 Unifi Access Point setup
double the price ??? little mistake ??
I had the EdgeRouter-X for around 8-9 months until I realised it was causing its own problems. UDP packets were not being processed in order which meant packet loss occurred and rubber banding showed its face in gaming. An easy way to replicate if your unit is affected is by using MTR (opensource trace route app) run it and you will see 8-10% packet loss on your default gateway IP. The EdgeRouter Lite is full of problems with UDP processing, the EdgeRouter-X is not without problems either. I moved back to a custom pfSense router shortly after finding out it was the EdgeRouter-X causing my rubber banding in rocket league etc. @Battle(non)sense
yeah.. i was wondering... should be top comment.. or in description.. but doesnt matter.. i already repostet to my friends, because they are all the time having the family-bandwitch-syndrome :D
Finally got mine, but have been recommending this video for years to friends.
THANKS SO MUCH. I’ve been having issues with a game I’ve been playing called iRacing. I have a Netgear Router, and for some reason only Netgear’s firewall drops the packets from the game. This solved my problem.
Chris I thank you so much for the info. Just ordered one. Can't wait to try it out. I appreciate all ur vids
Anthony Defillippis is it good for gaming?
I like the idea of a modular router setup with the wifi being in a separate module. If you want to improve either the wired or wifi section you don't have to buy an entire new router that way
One config some should be aware of is this router is PoE passthrough. So best to connect modem > PoE injector > eth0 > eth4 > ac-lite. This way you only need to plug in the PoE injector which will power the router and AP.
A+,C,A+ -> C,A+,C -> A,A,A using Lede and a bit of tinkering. Awesome, thanks!
Great videos, extremely informative!! Instant subscriber. Well done sir
I've been using this router for 7 months already, it's awesome even for my shit internet, i have 2 connections (10 and 8 mbps down) in balanced mode.
Even when my family starts watching netflix/youtube i can maintain my ping below 80 in overwatch, (though, i have to set the qos for half of my bandwith, but it's well worth it) can't recommend this enough.
Hey man great video. Have this exact setup point for 2 years or so. Works great. But one thing about your setup is bothering me?
Why dont you run cable modem into LAN of the POE injector then POE to eth0 (POE IN) and eth04 (POE OUT) -> access point. Then the POE injector runs the whole thing. (router + access point) - remember to enable poe on eth04 in actions in the dashboard.
Just installed. Other than having to try a few times installing firmware on mac (reset helped) this router is the bomb! Earlier setup was cable modem bridged into Asus ac68u. Without and with Qos had problems with solid connections (video streams and sites randomly stalling). Now gone with EdgerouterX and the Asus as Ap.
Additional tip: There's a script for hardware offloading which isn't enabled by default. Can be found in beginners guide.
Chris, great video as usual. I have an ER-X and I get ~150 Mbps down / 12 Mbps up with Smart Queue turned on. Without it I get 240 Mbps down / 12 Mbps up. I know it may vary from user to user, but just wanted to put that out there for anyone considering the ER-X. My PC is connected directly to the ER-X. For me, the loss of ~ 90 Mbps per second downstream is well worth the advantages of Smart Queue.
Yeah, that is the CPU of the ERX becoming the bottleneck and limiting your max bandwidth. With 240 down 12 up you could try and only enable QoS in the upstream direction and see if you even need QoS on the downstream when you get 240Mbps.
If you don't mind some terminal action, there's improved SQM modules ("cake") available on the Edgemax forums. These are better and more efficient which should allow you to get at least 200/12Mbps.
With OpenWRT it's a piece of cake. :D
Edit: Great Video btw thx! :)
I see what you did there. ;D
Holy shit. Went from a triple D to a A+. I live with three people and one child and everyone is always using the internet. So as you can imagine is can become incredibly infuriating playing any online games. Got the E-X and turned my old router into an access point, I'm on a hard line to the E-X. ill eventually replace that with a decent one from ubnt as well. Iv always had lag spikes and rubber banding and this solution cleared up this issue. Thank you.
This information is SO useful! Thanks!
By far the best video - especially when you have the same devices - THY
Thank you for all the videos you do, greatly appreciated! In this video you don't mention to hardware offload NAT. I found it elsewhere and in testing it did make quite a different in throughput for me. Any reason why not? You are very thorough and I want to make sure I haven't enabled something that might be a detriment to gaming. The command I used was >set system offload hwnat enable
Chris, any chance of an update to this video or a new one on routers? I have around 400 Megabits connection and suffer badly from the ISP’s router not prioritising traffic properly.
Edgerouter x QoS only support up to 200mbps connection due to hardware limitation.
@@dastanharris so if i have 200 mb exactly do i put 200 mbps in qos or less. I always hear people say to put less than what you have.
@@bendover748 yes minus 10% max download, 10-20% max upload.
That moment when you already have this exact setup
But your wife still hates you 🤣
"But i'm not married!"
"You are now, to your games!" :) .
Hey Chris, again thanks! This thing works tremendously as you said it would. Pain in the butt to setup but , the end result was good. Plus it was cheap. Can't thank you enough. Good gaming mates!
Glad to hear that! :)
Soooooo, what's a well priced modem you recommend?
Say I want to apply a similar set up when updating, and my current structure is a modem+router that isn't up to my standard
Just pulled the trigger on this, after years of suffering with the linksys e2500 I am looking forward to having a real network! And Amazon guarantees delivery in 1 day! First time I've had that option (:
This was nicely done and complete from router to access point. Thorough, great setup...Awesome! Can you say WoW more often? ...no reason! :)
Thank you for making this, it helped a lot.
You can just any device with sqm or qos.
In any case I can't use those devices due to low processing power of those SOCs.
Right now I'm using Xeon processors to manage my 1gbps connection.
I also use specialized rules based on deep packet inspection to speedup the real-time traffic through the firewall.
TuttoCrafting how do you use a pc to manage network traffic? What Os?
dbyrne91 pfSense + suricata.
You need a compatible hardware for the DBS kernel.
Edgerouter are not bad but not versatile. Edgerouter are based on vyos. But vyos is CMD line only but is based on Linux.
TuttoCrafting thank you for the reply
If you buy the correct uprated PSU. You can output 24v passive and power the AP directly.
i know absolutely nothing about setting up these kinds of devices, it took me a lot of time and pain to figure out how to set up the edgerouter x to work correctly with my att modem so that i could take advantage of this feature. it works perfectly once it's set up though, like night and day
Thanks a lot man, this guide really helped. Do you have any advice on MTU and MSS clamping settings?
Thanks so much for this video - just pulled the trigger on getting one of these and will follow the steps herein. Was getting limited to 10/3 speeds on a 25/25 line, and dealing with lots of hiccups on my ISP provided router (is it just me or do they really skimp on those, if the router cant even manage the speeds you're paying the ISP for, then why do they bother giving a free router?). Looking forward to giving it a try!
If you're using the POE adapter to power the ERX, you don't need the wall wart and you can also power the AP AC LITE with the POE out port, if you enable POE passthrough on the main page in the interface settings.
Yes, but I advice against that as a failure of the PoE brick will then not only take down your AP but also your router. :)
I also want to add that the PoE brick has barely enough power for the ERX and the AP AC Lite.
I have been having issues with buffer bloat in recent time. Would you recommend the ER-X for a 150Mb/s connection or is there another I should be looking at? I would also like to have a Wifi connection if you could also recommend a wifi access point or something with one built in.
I use an edge router x and get my full ISP bandwidth through it (350 mbps) and my ap is a uap ac lite and get about 250 mbps through it. I never have issues gameplay wise. Just make sure your hwnat offload is enabled because from what I remember it doesnt come enabled by default
thanks to chris, my wife and I will enjoy a wonderful christmas holiday. we've decided to stay together! thank you chris!!!
I'm using PFsense, and i could easily say it's fun to setup but definitely overkill for most people and i actually setup Edge Routers whenever i can for clients lol
Fantastic intro graphic! super jealous
Nice guide. Subscribed.
Highly recommend you enable bandsteering in the AP to “Prefer 5G”
Where can I find that setting?
I could kiss you right in the mouth. Been having massive ping issues the past 48 hours (Around when I installed google filestream) I have an edgerouter lite and enabling SQM took my bloat buffer from 180ms down and 460ms up to 26ms down and 21 up. It did however drop my download from 70Mb/s to 52Mb/s is that a result of the edgerouter lites cpu being a bit too weak to handle both up and down SQL at those speeds? Any tweaking I could do to improve it or should I just look to pick up an edgerouter X in the future?
Cross Coast Gaming the reason why it decreases speed is because the SQM stashes bandwith for the games/VOIP you are using. If you want to increase the bandwith, go to smart QOS setting. change the download setting higher. but you havd to be careful if it is too high since that may steal the "stashed", protected bandwith you need for smooth gaming
It is as Cross Coast Gaming mentioned because the CPU is too weak.
You will need the X for full sqm on 100mbit line, the lite can only do about 50mbit
Cross Coast Gaming
Well, he explained in the video the bandwidth drops when enabling SQM.
That's not true, at all. The Lite is actually more powerful and capable than the X, despite the name. The Lite can do full gigabit internet, the X can't come close.
The reason it's happening is because the way to avoid bufferbloat is to not allow the buffers to be used as much. The only way to do that is to slow down the traffic potential that's moving through the router, so it will artificially lower your speeds to prevent the buffer from being over-utilized. You can up the QOS a bit to get more, but the closer you come to your speed caps the more bufferbloat you'll experience.
Just subscribed. Great video. Got a quick question for you. I have been considering the Edgerouter X for my setup but would like to find out if this would be the best unit for me. I have Comcast 100 down 5 up internet. I'm not a gamer, but I am subscribed to DirecTV Now streaming service which I will be running on 2 Amazon Fire TV's that are hard wired Ethernet. Right now I am only using one, but get some buffering every now and then, so I would like to start using QOS to help with this problem. Will the Smart Que help with 2 streaming devices, or am I better off with a router that does QOS that you can link to the mac addresses of the streaming devices?
Thanks 👍
Chris, @ 9:30 You applied QoS to the whole router? If my internet is 150/150, why would I limit it to less than that? Would I be able to limit bandwidth to one port on this router? I will keep looking, as I bought this router as well as the R7800 X4S from Netgear. Do you hvae comparison data between the Edgerouter X and the 7800?
As I said in the video, the ER-X is for internet connections with up to 100Mbps as the CPU will become a bottleneck then.
Please refer to the chart I showed in the video to find a model that works at higher rates when SQM is enabled.
Fantastic tutorial 😃👍🏼
Hi Chris. Thanks so much for this vid - excellent as always.
I have only just gotten around to getting an ER-X. Fixes the bufferbloat great, BUT I still find if I use Netflix in Chrome that there are regular burst downloads (about 6MB/s every few seconds) that double my latency in BF1.
Would love any ideas you might have!
What router can support SQM for 500Mbps or 1Gbps?
I found only EdgeRouter Pro 8 supporting like 250Mbps and no other routers with SQM that can go further.
Thanks for the information.
One could build a router using custom hardware, running Pfsense or OpenWRT. Most consumer CPUs nowadays will probably handle higher bandwidth connections with SQM significantly better.
You'd need to route your traffic through a dedicated computer with a decent CPU for that.
I got an F for bufferbloat. But I'm the only one using my router, and when I'm gaming, everything that can be disabled, is disabled. So is it not actually a problem? Is it only an issue if someone else is using the connection for something?
Bufferbloat refers to how latency changes as bandwidth is saturated. If bandwidth isn’t saturated, then bufferbloat doesn’t occur. But you have to bare in mind that any file or video download will attempt to saturate your connection (even if only briefly), and will cause ping spikes.
Ich hab mir schon gedacht das du Österreicher bist xD Guter guide, wieder was dazu gelernt..
Hey Chris, I have an Edgerouter X SFP, and when I enabled SQM my download bufferbloat stayed low, but my upload bufferbloat went through the roof! (+2000ms), am I doing something wrong? I have it set to eth0 which is where my traffic is, and i tried setting the limits to 60/60 (my true speed), and i also tried 50/50. Cheers mate
Do you use PPPoE? Because then you need to set PPPoE as interface not ETH0.
Also double check that you set the value correctly (kbit/mbit). :)
i bought an old wdr 3600 and put openwrt on it. you just have to download sqm on it and then set the type of sqm. i chose cake and piece of cake. then you set your download and upload speed ( minus about 10%). works incredibly well. 4 or 5 people can download at the same time and the ping stays within about 10-15ms of the ping when nothing is downloading. if you want a cheap 20 dollar router and dont want to mess wtih 3rd party firmware for 25 meg maybe up to 50 meg then the tplink 841n with bandwidth control turned on does pretty well. you set the download and upload speed just like sqm but thats it. youre done pretty much. you can also set per device limits but its not necessary
So I have about 2000 ms latency, on my download according to dslreports. I've pretty much given up on online gaming at this point, from bullet sponging enemies with super human reflexes and things just getting worse and worse from release to release, I'm pretty apathetic but I have a morbid curiosity with this setup. I see that this Edgerouter works with connections with 100 Mb/s , what happens if it exceeds this? Does it just cap it and still creates a buffer for priority data? Or does it just bottleneck some more and add more latency?
Hi Chris, I´m not clear, I am able to use an old router as a wireless access point? or I need to get the AC listed on the description?
Yes, you can use an old WiFi Router as Access Point.
For that you:
1. disable DHCP on the old router (as you run DHCP on the Edge Router)
2. set the LAN IP adress of that old router to something outside the DHCP range of the Edge Router
3. connect any of the LAN ports of the old router your your lan
Battle(non)sense thnks, I’ll get one (with your code) and give u feed back on my experience
Rogue_507 what is the result?
Hi, can i use this settup without loosing my ISP wifi ? i just want to use the edge router along my ISP modem
Hello battle, i'm so overwhelmed with your knowledge in computers, network, etc,etc. I'm from Venezuela and here the internet is a nightmare to much ignorance and ISP want to threat you as a noob :(
So the thing is i'm using a cable modem with just a bandwidth of 2mb and upload lesss than 512kbps (i know this sucks)
But im getting high bufferbloat like insane 400-1900 and always my ping is spiking.. from lets say 80ms to 120, 90, 120, 130, 80... and is terrible the unsync in games...
I have the oldest modem provided by the ISP like docsis 1.1 modem, and a non gaming router which is: TP-LINK 150Mbps Wireless N Router
Model No. TL-WR720N, and what i wanted to ask you, is there something that i can do to fix my problems?
What advises would you give to me? like a Computer configuration with adapters, or what can i say to ISP? like changing MTU? or telling them something with buffer-bloat? any help, cause the situation here is really tough already, so thanks in advance
Hope u can see this comment.
PD: Even if i connected my pc direct to the modem and turning off the router, i still get huge Buffer-bloat.
Hello. Your TPLINK router probably has a dd-wrt firmware for it. In a few words, it's a community made firmware that enables a lot of features that the stock firmware doesn't, including QoS/SQM(lag free gaming). Search, look for your router model and install it. ATTENTION: BE CAREFUL! As you flashing wrong firmware into your router, might break it.
@@kleanlins Heya Cleanderson thanks for your comment, so do you think that i should contact in Forum the staff of Tp-link about my router, and ask them for a custom firmware with possible options such SQM?
Cause my router already has QOS but is poorly i mean i cannot set limit bandwidth alternative like for upload or dowload.. nope x.x
@@kleanlins So should i go to Tp-link forum and request a DD-WRT firmware for my TP-LINK No. TL-WR720N?
@@PescaitoFrito No. There's a dd-wrt forum already. Look for your router version on their website to see if it does have a stable version available. dd-wrt is a big project.
@@kleanlins unfortunately it seems that there is not support for my
TL-WR720N
I saw one but is:
TP-Link TL-WR2543ND
:( rip myself.
Do you have to use upnp at all times or only when strict? Again thanks for ur vids Chris. They are Very useful.
A better wifi coverage device is a Mikrotik, setup as a dumb switch . Create a VirtualWifi AP on the Mikrotik and plug it into the ER-X. It will function as any other access point. Config the wifi Tx / Rx / dbi / security etc, accordingly on the mikrotik. You can also make a guest bridge for guest wifi access.
A tip, when you change ISP, especially if your new connection is faster, don't forget to alter the QOS. I was wondering why my upload wasn't any quicker until I remembered QOS!
I think you copied the price over from ER-X, both have the same price in your video. Although you say in the video that USG is much more expensive (currently 113€ on Amazon). Just wanted to let you know. Other than that, great Video, i always enjoy your content a lot! Grüße aus Österrich :)
Yeah, I messed that one up and somehow missed it. :(
I have added a note in the pinned comment and the description now.
Will port forwarding help stabilize your latency? I've been trying to figure it out, but i have no knowledge in this field
I have a adsl + 4g router and i cant make the edgerouter to work. My line is a combination of 7Mbps/1Mbps from adsl and 30Mbps/5Mbps from 4g. Should i buy something different?
Hey Chris, I pay for 150 down and 10 up, and I got the ER Lite, but should have I gotten the ER X?
+alexhernandez49 even the ERX will probably not do 150Mbps. See the performance chart I showed in the video. :)
So according to the chart, the ER Lite will get a minimum of 60 mbps when SQM is enabled and with my 150 down the cpu of the router will cause a bottleneck and ping spikes?
What router should I suggest to my buddy for his 200Mb/s down 10Mb/s up connection that he shares with 4 flat mates? Are there any routers capable of SQL management at those speeds?
Try this. In your QoS rule, do not apply to your download. Only check upload and limit it close to your upload max per ISP. Then test. I get 350Mbps down and still get A's on DSLReports.
What about the ER-4? Is it not in the performance chart. Does it have SQM? Would it be a good upgrade to the ER-X if you need more than 100Mbps?
Hi Chris, assuming you are from Austria, do you use this Setup with UPC Austria?
Hi Chris, thanks for posting this very informative video. Do you happen to know how to configure the Fritzbox 6591 (no bridge mode available) together with the ER-X and the Unifi Access Point?
So helpfull.
Thanks a lot man !
Hi, great work, i just would like to make a video suggestion, you could talk about that program "TCP Optimizer" and all the things that it does weather in OS and the NIC, and if really makes the difference.
is there any performance difference over the ER lite 3? i know the x is having a better cpu...i have a 200 down 200 up pppoe connection and when i enable adaptive qos is going as down as 60 on down and 80 on up witch is too much...i know they say 60mbit is optimal for er lite 3 for qos
Yes the Lite 3 is much better in performance, I have both. To me, it is worth the extra few bucks.
i know er 3 lite witch i have, is doing hardware offloading but since the latest firmware ver. the X is doing that also
Depending on features used, the HW Offloading may be disabled. Mine is disabled and I still get 350Mbps X 22Mbps with an A for quality and BufferBloat with the Lite.
BUT
I can update the X and test if you would like. It is sitting on my desk at home.
this is my dsl report with HW offloading enabled(default) and no qos www.dslreports.com/speedtest/26264155...my problem is that is downgrading my speed and quality of the connnection with qos enabled. i just wondered that the router X will be more appropriate for these speeds while qos... thx for the answers anyway.
Ok so for giggles I updated my X and copied the config. Here are my results.
www.dslreports.com/speedtest/26425449
compared to my previous results
www.dslreports.com/speedtest/26413509
So a little more testing. Just some information, I only setup Upload limiting (25Mbps) in the Smart Queue. IF I added download on the Lite, I would see a severe drop in performance, less than 100Mbps even though my ISP provides 300Mbps, I don't want 1/3 or less of my bandwidth available.
Just to see, I added the Download QoS settings to the X and this is what I got!
www.dslreports.com/speedtest/26425775
Over 200Mbps AND A+ across the board, I may have to run with the X for a bit to see if there is a difference while gaming.
Hey, I'm new to this stuff and a bit confused. Currently I'm using a modem+router combo so if I get this, do I have to go in my current device and disable the routing settings?
You have to contact your ISP and ask them if and how you can use your own router. Usually they can switch their device into "bridge mode", but not every ISP wants to do that.
Should they ask "why?" then you best say "I need to use my own VPN router for work". But how and if you can use your own router depends on the ISP.
Thanks.
Hey, so I managed to get my old Motorola into bridge mode and I was able to setup the edge router X, but I have 2 issues. The first is that for some reason on my PC the download speed in around 8 Mbps less than my parents' PC (which is also connected to the router with an Ethernet cable), and my upload speed is around 0.5 Mbps less. The second issues is that the QoS rule only helped to reduce buffer-bloat on my upload traffic, but didn't do anything for the download. Any help would be appreciated.
I wish I could use this setup, but I have a cable in my flat. It has 50mb/s.
Which modem/router can be used?
What would you suggest to do when the router is on the one end of the apartment and the PC is on the other end?
I currently use DLAN and get from possible 120 MBit/s only around 50 MBit/s on my PC.
When i am plugging a laptop directly in the router or am in front of the router and use wlan i get 120 MBit/s so the maximum.
Is there something i could do to get more MBit/s at my PC? A 20 meters LAN cable isn't an option^^
A WLAN repeater also isn't an option because my PC doesn't support WLAN.
My router is the standard Unitymedia Router "Connect Box".
And the DLAN hardware is from the Devolo "dlan 200 avplus" series.
Is there even something i could do? ^^
EDIT: The speedtest for me shows a "A+" for Overall and Quality, but a "-" (so no result) for BufferBloat and Speed.
What does this mean?
saving up money for this rn! just had one question whats the middle picture where the erx poe out connects to lan and poe connects to the unifi. Is that a separate divice or is that or the erx or unifi?
device not divice dumbass
I pref. combo Mikrotik (router) and UBNT (AP) because on MT I can create my own custom SQM with 2 WANs (balanced with failover) but nice vid.