Unlocking The Secret Mechanics Of Donkey Kong
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2020
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I had an amazing time learning more about Donkey Kong and the high score community it facilities. I will probably continue to play it here and there and maybe one day reach the coveted kill screen.
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"Donkey Kong: That old game that weird guy cheated on"
👏👏👏👏👏👏
I can hear a lawsuit being fired up
Karl is an absolute savage
@Daily DB not for long
Wears the same clothes everyday like a cartoon character.
When I started learning about this game, I heard about barrel steering and that alone instantly painted a picture of how good and complex it can be
Awesome to see you here Kosmic!
Yoooo it's Kosmic!
What are you doing here?! You should be beating the record in smb1 again!
Simple things = complex things.
@@presauced deep bro, but in a space with finite decisions with finite ramifications (like pretty much anything other than real life, especially the first ever platformsr) that’s not a universal law
"By the end, Donkey Kong won't just be that old game that weird guy cheated on" LOL
He has a name, you know! It's Peter Dinklage.
@@davidlevy706 shhhh don't say his name he might sue you
I’m pretty sure that weird guy lost the law-suet with twin-galaxies
His name is Billy Mitchell
@@connorgillispie7128 unfortunately we know his name
"Donkey Kong: That Old Game That Weird Guy Cheated On"
Yep - the most quoted and most remembered part of the video. That "weird guy" has put so much effort trying to silence the issue that he cemented his name in with the game - but not in the way he wanted.
Streissand Effect
Critical Hit!
I never thought I'd watch a 20 minute video on Donkey Kong strategy, let alone enjoy it, yet both just happened.
Ohai Jrose
You need more Summoning Salts in your life mate
I know right. I watch every upload and like every one. He does an amazing job.
Indeed. I never thought I would either, lol.
Karl is the best at making a subject I know nothing about not only interesting, but entertaining
Imagine being that lady at the top waiting for you to save her and all she gets to see is you jumping relentlessly over barrels like she's no big deal.
And then getting dumped for some blonde bimbo
"that lady"
you mean pauline?
@@dappitydingdong1219 her name was ,,Lady" at first
"Sigmario Bros."
Imagine watching him try to show off hurtling two barrels and busting his ass
What I find most impressive about your series of videos Karl, is actually the amount of courage it takes to step into a gaming community around a game that has been played for SO LONG, with minimal knowledge going in, and end up producing a really insightful, respectful and enjoyable video about it. It's a testament to your passion concerning competetive gaming I believe, that you manage to do this again and again. Great show as always.
Love this, like you say at the end, don't let a few bad apples ruin your image of this community. All you ever hear about Donkey Kong is "Billy Mitchell this, Billy Mitchell that.", so it's really nice to actually see a video about everything but Billy about this game.
The fact that barrel steering exists is a revelation, and it really makes me admire the game all the more. I love hidden depth!
I find achievements help a lot with giving retro arcade games the kind of goal-oriented play modern games rely on, and especially make the player pay more attention to their mechanics. I recently played DK on Retro Achievements, and it's the first time I ever even played a full level set in the arcade game, let alone worked in barrel control.
I really wish Nintendo did an achievement system like Xbox and PS. Used to keep me playing gaes and give me more goals even after beating them.
@Sabrina O'Neil Lmao, terrible misspelling there on my part.
@@toadfan64 I prefer in-game achievements. Stuff like the challenge boards of smash bros and Kirby air ride are more interesting than getting a system related pop up for starting the game. Much more tantalizing to complete for me personally.
I must be in the minority as far as game achievements go. An actual reward is one thing but a simple pop up that says achievement unlocked isnt too exciting for me
@@mrmanjumac3454 I don't think it's about the reward of having a small message pop up but more about the clear organization of in-game goals
"but this video would be hours long if i did", implying that i wouldn't be willing to watch karl explain donkey kong for hours
"Donkey Kong won't just be that `Old game that weird guy cheated on`. "
_Cue Regular Show floating head explosion_
I remember that
And he tried to sue Cartoon Network, too. LOL
Wait, what?
Played this game for hours on the Donkey Kong 64 in-game arcade machine. A mate and I challenged ourselves to hit as many pies as possible; with the hammer on the conveyor belt level. We pulled an all nighter just to get the right RNG and ended up decending into madness. There was something really satisfying about smashing 6 pies in a row with that hammer, good times!
All my experience with this game is from DK64! My brother's and I just took turns playing that and the spaceship arcade game too lol
the dk64 donkey kong arcade machine actually walled me as a kid, never got the nintendo coin and never beat the game as a result
@@saisyuumaho I had so much fun in the DK64 version when I was younger- is it allowed for competitive highscores?
@@cros108 I wouldn't be surprised if there's a category somewhere, but I've never looked into it
Hey Karl, can you make a video about NES Tetris? It's some of the most interesting mechanics of an e-sport ever. Most people would think that the footage you've shown of it in this video would be simple but it's far from it.
Im interested in branching out to cover more high score stuff so that’s definitely a good idea.
@@karljobst doooo it
There's channels dedicated entirely to NES Tetris like aGameScout, they're fun to watch
Boom Tetris for Jeff
@@karljobst Oh my god, thanks for replying!
This reminds me of the time I also decided to look deeper into Donkey Kong's mechanics. But it wasn't because I wanted to speedrun it or anything like it, but it was for a university project where we had to make a multiplayer Donkey Kong game (an elimination tournament where players competed to reach Pauline three times in 5 minutes; if the time was over and they rescued her the same amount of times, the player that died less times won), and I wanted to make it as close to the original as possible (although with some liberties - like the fireball enemies getting faster the more they lived, or Mario being able to throw the hammer in order to kill all enemies, and potentially the other player, in a straight line). It was a fun experience.
That sounds awesome, if ever possible i would consider posting it online somewhere as a multiplayer battle royal format, if at all possible. but then again nintendo are like seasoned snipers with their lawsuits
@@wicklash9065 And besides, it was only made for Ubuntu. I still have the source code, though.
So you mean Donkey Kong battle royale?
@@napstaperd8824 It was just 2 players per game, the elimination format is like a cup :P
@@llSuperSnivyll That still sounds sick nonetheless, amazing job man :0
Surprised Todd Rogers never claimed a 10 million point pac-man score at any time lol
Maybe he actually got it
@@dankduelzperuvian Todd Rogers' scores are fake.
@@YourAverageSpelunker I'm saying maybe he got it since he didn't make any claims and all the claims tmk were fake
@@dankduelzperuvian uhhhhhhh you can't get a 10 million pac man score
If you start with 2 million points you can actually get to 10 million.
This is a really cool one, it's always fun learning how a game's speedruns work!
Did not expect to see you here!
@@juicebox6124 This was exactly my reaction XD
holy shit, it's MDB
Hey, fancy seeing you here!
love how my fav youtubers all watch eachother
Pretty amazing break down and video. Also very respectful that you took the time to understand and learn about something you thought you didn't like.
I was born in 1986 as well but something about DK I've always loved. At my peak of DK competing in April 2014 I hit 628,100 points at 1 Up in Denver, CO. I really wish that I recorded that game because it would have broke top 25 at the time.
This video's timing is freaking perfect because I recently started talking to sellers to buy an original cabinet because I've wanted to get back into competing but due to COVID I obviously can't go to arcade/barcades.
Now I'm even more inspired to break more records, thanks you absolute legend!
The more videos I see regarding speedrunning from you, the more I picture speedrunners like the card counting scene from the Hangover with all the numbers flying all over the place. This is fascinating to watch, and terrifying to a point.
On an unrelated matter, we're both from '86! That's pretty neat!
Love that subtle jab at Billy Mitchell in the introductory segment, that was gold.
honestly, we just need more videos just spreading the real high scores and start ignoring that idiot. that's why i like karl listing the real world record.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 yes and not even mentioning his name. As it should be.
@@nicklaskowalski yeah, that idiot will just deny, deny, deny, then sue, sue, sue. it's an endless cycle. forgetting him would be the worst punishment since attention is what he seeks.
Apparently Mitchell is also getting torn up in court according to Karl's twitter
Nothing more subtle than a close up shot of his face.
Karl calling me an absolute legend makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside
I thought it was the churro I just ate
@@killingtime4444 i thought it was the shot of whiskey in my coffee
Thought it was the feeling of my father punching me
Boom tetris for jeff
@@Dee-Eddy you ruined the chain, man.
I'm glad that Billy has officially became a meme in this channel.
This is the least amount of likes I've seen on a conment made by you
Ah look who it is
Do you just have an army of clones controlling your account or somthing wtf
I'm glad as well. That guy deserved that.
Ikr
3:11 Loving that arrangement of "Eyes on Me"
old and "simple" games are some of the best because they have deeper levels of play just playing casually may not be obvious.
DK it's a masterpiece and it never have been taken by less than it is: an absolute challenge.
The Point Pressing category on vintage arcade games makes the things way interesting, not only DK, also other games such as Burgertime, Dig Dug, Defender among others.
That category can make the simple things trutly deep and complex, and the primitive factor makes the challenge something that worth the mastering.
I would like to see more vintage games on this channel, the people could be amazed.
That piano makes me wanna go to space.
That piano comes from one of my favourite games of all time, Celeste. Definitely recommend it.
What is your face thing and why
Thats FF8 - Roses and Wine / Rinoa's theme.
@@TKUltra971 Yes, it's an extremely popular song, and part of why 8 is one of my favorites.
The part at the start is Celeste. Idk where the ff8 ost is I haven't seen the whole vid yet. I'll update when I find the ff8 part
i really have to commend you for putting in the work
it would be so easy to just make these videos based on available fact, but actually sitting down with the game for dozens of hours to understand it is next level
I really like the decision you made to talk about your hesitance with this game and the running of it, then play the game yourself, talking about the top players and the top strategies then trying them yourself and showing us. That's a really cool thing, man. Love this stuff, never stop!
Funny that... the only time I ever got to play DK 1981 it was from an easter egg from Donkey Kong 64 as you can play one of the arcades there. I wonder if you could get into DK64 or even the Country series as they've evolved quite a bit. Got to say I really liked the presentation on this one, you've continued to improve and maintain a steady pace by the minute. Something I think is very difficult to reach for both educators and entertainers these days. I hope to continue seeing the legends you dive into, you absolute legend.
Such an interesting video. I love the focus being on mechanics, rather than the records themselves, especially for a game that's so deceptively difficult
I love how well you explain all the mechanics. Detailed, yet never in such a way that a complete noob would get confused.
This is one of the things I love about your videos. I always assumed there had to be some complexity to a game like Donkey Kong to keep people competing all these years, and then you go and explain in laymen's terms exactly what that complexity is for idiots like me to understand.
This was posted on my birthday! Now I really feel like an absolute legend!
Absolute Legend.
Happy birthday random stranger.
Happy birthday
Happy birthday, mate!
Happy legend you absolute birthday
I remember watching Donkey Kong and thinking it was boring, but I tried it out, and it was pretty fun. It had its own charm and the game itself was pretty complex.
Yep, I ended up grinding it a little when I played Donkey Kong 64 as a kid
Glad you got to enjoy this game. I was born in 86 as well and didn't get to really play Donkey Kong until a few years ago. Its an absolute blast and a real gem of a game. Hopefully more people check it out!
Last time I was this early Billy Mitchell didn't fake his high score
Last time I was this early, I didn't know who tf Todd Rogers or Billy Mitchell were.
But no one cares about high scores these days
Nobody has ever been that early....
Rofl 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What were the two games he said he played for nostalgia. I recognize the last one but can't remember the name for the life of me.
Also I appreciate that Karl never talks bad about passions he doesn't understand. And instead strives to learn the appeal.
Playing Eyes On Me during the skillshare ad was such a god-tier move.
Came to comment this so I'll just agree
“Donkey Kong won’t just be that old game that weird guy cheated on” lmao 😂
My wife would be mad if I called her "the old game"
@@fromthegamethrone well the truth is sometimes hard to hear
I fell in love with this game as a kid, not in the arcade, but as an unlock able in Donkey Kong 64.
I hated it first, but I had to play it in order to get a collectible. By the time I met the requirement (Think it was either clear the 4 boards or a score) I loved it and would just boot up DK64 to play it.
When I go to Barcade, it’s a mandatory play for me.
Love the Prince of Persia clip, I sent many an hour playing that game back in the 90's
I can't help it, this is the one of the greatest content creators out there such effort and dedication just for one video thank you karl for such an amazing video.
Great video, super informative, i've always been interested in knowing the mechanics and how scores were accumulated
I really enjoy your content Karl. I remember watching some of your speedruns a loooong time ago. I really appreciate how in many cases, you actually try to play the games you talk about to try and understand them better.
The music from Mass Effect 1 brings back the memories
Hey Karl! Love your work and I'm glad you're back to making content! I wondered if you looked at speedruns of Portal and Portal 2? There's a built in challenge mode seeing how fast you can finish the puzzles along with those who simply SR the story mode, and with a gun that bends space there's bound to be glitches that exploit the ability to it's maximum potential.
Definitely hope to cover portal one day
This video was very very helpful. Lots of great tips. I would love to see more strategy explanations for this game in the future.
Honestly the whole video includes so much warmth and relaxation which is needed. Fully explained, a nice plug for sponsors and of course great content. I hope to see many more videos in the future. Stay safe
No Karl, you're the absolute legend.
Awesome video as usual, very instructive, I never understood the appeal about Donkey Kong but your analysis and even practice of it give some great insights.
Something I often wonder about those older games such as DK and Doom for example, is how much of their complexity is deliberated compared to the bugs found in the engine by the players.
I'd be curious to know for a recent game like Celeste how the developers approached it.
The numbers of unexpected behaviors detected during the creation and what was kept, what was specifically done for speedrunners, did they only added a few tricks knowing players may find an usage later with more comprehensive techniques using them.
Anyways thanks for sharing your passion in such a positive way :)
Hey Karl, man o man do I appreciate the quality of your videos, thank you brother. You’ve given me endless entertainment, inspiration, and motivation. I was blessed to have this video in my feed today, always looking forward to your new content!
Love how "Jump-man" became "Mario" for a split second :D
Another legendary video, made by the legend himself. For all of his legends!
Well, he calls you ABSOLUTE legends... and if you think about it, he's saying that he isn't in your tier.
You can interpret that as either humility or pandering. I personally go with the former.
The trick to high scores in Donkey Kong was swapping boards and using an eight-way red joystick.
Loved this video, always had a casual interest as a spectator in the world of kong high scores ever since the King Of Kong doco - never knew all the intricacies that went into the actual strategies of scoring points. Fastest 20 mins of my life !!!! Keep up the great work mate 👍🏻
Awesome video would love to see more on this topic with other games. I like finding out about the intricacies of games like these. You always do a nice job each video to. Thank you.
This felt like a journey of self improvements, going from "Old games bad" to proper respect for your elders :P
Love the Lands of Lore clip in the beginning.
BTW I played this game on my uncle's computer in the early 90's and have been searching for the name of it off and on for literally years without figuring it out. Thank you so much XD
@@CheeseyDan welcome, such old games bring back such good memories. If you like the grid style dungeon crawling action games, check out the legend of grimrock 1 and 2. They're modern 4 party on 1 Square puzzle/combat dungeon exploration (like bard's tale, lands of lore etc...)
@@tbone9474 sweet! I’ll look’em up! Thanks :)
@@CheeseyDan welcome. I loved em and they got very good reviews. Reminded me a bit also of ultima underworld on how you cast spells (rune combinations), and you have puzzles too so it's not just hack and slash
Really excellent video. Hats off to you for going the extra mile to really understand it
Karl busted out "Eyes On Me" during the ad read. Caught me a bit off guard, I wasn't ready for that nostalgia bomb.
Near the top! I love being called an absolute legend!
Because you ARE an absolute legend! :)
I wish it was true. I'm not a legend.
Alas. We all fall short of Karl
@@mobyusone yes. We all do.
Pac mans skill level is not relatively low, The dedication and mental capacity to control the joystick with pixel-perfect movements and to memorize either preset patterns or to do it based solely off of manipulating the ai of the ghosts requires a deep understanding and mental foreshadowing and predicting and I would say those who speedrun the perfect score are more creative and skilled than some people in many games today. For example in order to break the current records in 3 hours and 28 minutes you would need to experiment and develop new paths and patterns that manipulate the AI and to collect every pellet and power up and fruit and kill all 4 ghosts for every orb to shave time off of the record. Find a new 9th key pattern or something that would save time over the current world record. Crossing the desert is the longest and most difficult portion of the run and finding a new 9th key that would be faster than the general 42.xx time would save a lot of time overall throughout the hundred-plus times you complete the same level.
good comment, cringed when i heard him say that
even understanding what he meant re. determinism calling it low skill still massively undersells how difficult the execution side of it is
I think part of the point was that there is a definitive high score that has been reached by multiple players. Yes, he made it sound easier than it is, but the point wasn't that it was easy, but that there was no way to distinguish those players in score-attack mode.
Really cool video . i started playing Dk on virtual console on switch recently to try it out and it surprised me with just HOW difficult i can be. Would love a part two going over more of the other stages.
(It is called "leeching" and it is used everywhere.)
True, need more people "seeding" though.
Ah yes, the real heroesm
I really hope that "that weird guy who cheated" gets his comeuppance one day
I’m pretty sure he lost the law-suet with twin galaxies recently
Matter of time...
How am I enjoying watching this guys videos of games iv never played and don’t have any intention of playing? I can’t think of any other UA-camr that lures me into videos I have no business with quite like Karl. His voice, how he puts the video together in a chronological order, the detail in the video and the climax to that perfect gaming moment go down like a very very fine wine. Excellent, I enjoy all of them to the last drop!
Fun little cameo by Kari Lake at the very beginning 🤣 I bet she's on Team Mitchell.
Do you have to grind jumps in order to rack up a score in DK? That’s always confused me
That's the first I've heard it referred to as "coyote time"
I just want to say, I've gone back to play some old games I never got the chance to in my childhood... and lots of them are fucking awesome. Probably most surprising to me was Zelda 2... it was so intense! I also loved the abstraction of learning new sword techniques; pretty creative.
Your videos are extremely informative and well done. They really hook the viewer in. Good job
My nickname in college was “Donkey Dong”
My first experience with Donkey kong was on a handheld foldable unit with 2 lcd screens (4x3 cm) and in black and white. 1979
The orange one? That released in 1982
Love your video format and presentation. Great stuff
That was fascinating. Almost 30 years after I first played, I've learned loads of new things about what I originally thought was an incredibly simple game
Wait... Jump man? So you are telling me that it isn't mario??
It’s him, he just wasn’t named til shortly after.
it is, sort of, think of it like this
Mario was born as Jumpman, but after Donkey Kong he decided he'd change it to Mario
*devotes thousands of hours to beating old games quickly* "Why would anyone spend so much time trying to get high scores in old games? Those guys are weird."
Yeah I thought that part was funny
He was calling Billy Mitchell weird. No one else.
this is a great concept, like a peek into prospective games for would-be followers and players
please do more of these videos
surreal having a legend break another games mechanics down
Excellent work as always, Karl. Your voice is so soothing and I always come back to your videos when my anxiety acts up.
I'm 18 and my favorite generation of video games is the 70's and 80's, I appreciate the history
What's Kari Lake doing there? 0:05
I’ve never seen her not screaming
I've been playing this game since it hit the arcades all those years ago. It's still one of my favorites and I had to comment on the excellent job you did on this video. Especially your touching on the importance of controlling your barrels! This is what separates good players from great players. Well done! I hope this encourages a whole new group of gamers to give a go at this amazing game.
I don't particularly love speed runs/running and I don't like old games, yet your videos keep me up at night for hours at a time.
I just like how you explain everything in depth .
"I don't understand people that play old games", says man with dozens of videos about 25 year old games. Hmmm. :P
American Dad speed run video when?
Lol
we need this
I will comment this on all his future videos until I get my american dad speed run
Very interesting video, it's really cool to see such old classics still in the spotlight. I had my first experience with this game in Donkey kong 64 (Frantic Factory), where the game's actually mandatory for completing the main game... Back then, it was really frustrating to a young kid...
Great video. DK is clearly more complex than I ever imagined
Hey I just speedrunned your video. My time is 7 seconds. Beat that!
You run has been analysed and it has been proven to be spliced
@@patrickboner we used technical audio analysis and the suspect has been found to have also other speedrun of “Doom” and “Goldeneye” have also been found fake.
I spent 2 seconds
**pulls out notebook and writes furiously**
That’s the any% category, I’m in the middle of a 100% attempt, being on pace to match the TAS with a time of 20:51.
Edit: I’m now done, the final time did end up being 20:51, while on my fastest pace ever, losing no time to the TAS.
wtf is that kari lake?!
i said the same thing lmao - and it is
Lol I needed someone else to verify it
I always saw Donkey Kong as a historical landmark of Gaming really, as it was the first game Mario appeared in, who would eventually save video games in 85 with SMB1, not so much for Billy the cheater
This was really well done mate. Great job
The best speedrun is liking and subbing to Karl
He's calling these people weird for spending hours on an old game as a doom speedrunner
Lol
Interesting! :) Great job, Karl (you absolute legend). I remember seeing something like this about Pac Man (cornering, ghost manipulation + the 'bug' that messed up one ghost's ability to track Pac).
It's also nice to know that SOME modern platformer games do indeed employ subtle nuances that are similar to these old-school mechanics. :)
I always had a feeling there was more to Donkey Kong, but I only looked into the scene a few years ago and am continually impressed with what I learn.
I ended up getting really into DK a few years ago because they have a machine at Barcade here in Philadelphia. I still have never reached the kill screen, but I'd like to some day. It truly is an amazing game... until I started going down the rabbit hole, I didnt realize just how amazing. Thanks for making this video to hopefully turn more people onto DK.
Thanks for all the awesome vids :) speedrunning and associated topics are so fascinating... Also I clicked the link and got the free skillshare trial, thanks for that! 😊
Karl. I have been enjoying your videos for some time. I am not a speed runner, but I do love video games, and love your dives into the minutiae of different games and explaining the different techniques used in different games. One of my favorite videos was the "Doom: Eternal 100% Runs are Things of Beauty" (or something along those lines...). Anyways, I don't usually even subscribe to channels I watch, but I love your videos so much that I wanted to support you financially, so I just became a 'Hero'. Thank you for your content. Keep it up.
Love the dedication to play the game for weeks and get into it. Legend material right there
Without writing a huge wall of text, I’ll keep it short.
1. Great video. I was waiting for something like this.
2. I find DK to be easier than most other arcade games and you explained how it gets difficult perfectly.
3. Someday, maybe, I’d really like to see details on Pac-Man just like this, if you feel strongly enough about it. (That’s the one I struggle with the most.)
I’m going to watch this video many times until it all sinks in. Thanks for this.