Murray you haven't been in the intelligence service have you? So how do you know there were better ways for Snowden to deal with what he knew? You can't. I haven't been in the intelligence service but I don't need to have been to know that they first thing they do is cover up for the things they don't want to admit they are doing. Just like every other agency of any kind and every human being in their personal lives as well. And I have sent you and Triggernometry the info on the Nazi German occupation of the USA and the genocide of the American people. Yet you both ignore it as well as the info of the cause of all these identity issues and you also ignore that. Again see, Murder of the Creoles of New Orleans 1935, UA-cam. And the supporting facts under about in Dropbox links. But I don't expect to hear the truth out of either one of you.
I emigrated to the UK from Turkey at the age of 7 and then lived there again for 3 years in my twenties - I was in for a shock because every day I felt genuinely distressed by the bigotry, sexism, racism and brutality of everyday living. I even inhaled tear gas twice during demonstrations that I happened to be passing by. THAT is a genuinely fascist and oppressive place to live in, the UK is heaven in comparison. Why on earth would idiots want to throw away the best system that has ever existed in the history of humankind in favour of communism, Islamism and so on... stuff them. There's a reason my father brought us here and I am grateful for everything that I have been given by this country - a wonderful secular education that was free from bias. So what if there is 1% racism, sexism and other problems in this country? It is fifty times worse in other parts of the world, especially the Middle East.
I wish more people would travel the world to gain that essential first-person frame of reference by which to compare modern western society. *_TRUST !!_* ♂≠♀
"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." Beating someone fairly only happens when the other side accepts fairness and morals as being a two-way street. The left doesn't follow those rules. The only way to beat them is to play by their rules.
I could listen to Douglas all day. I love when he has a new book out, not just because of the new reading material, but because I know he's going to be making the rounds.
I'm originally a Hong Konger, I am very aware that the British literally got away with murder for some time whilst HK was a colony. However, I also recognize that they protected Hong Kong from the worst of the Chinese civil war and it's aftermath. They brought to a Confucian, family orientated people, the idea of self and individual freedoms and choice. I am aghast when I hear some of the woke crap about Britain whilst people in HK wave the Union Jack in hope and flee to the UK to continue to be part of England's green and pleasant land.
Similar thing is here in India ......or even worse. I think we can't sit and cry about the history, instead we push forward and there's no point punishing the current generation, but Indians have agendas, stupid ideologies, and something about "Hindu Rashtra" and a fvked up government. I can spill out more Wild shiet about my Indians 'the land of purity' _(but people will report this)_ _(one of it is our obsession over wh-ite women)_ But I'm glad I have similar thinking & approach as you... So there's still some sense in this world.
Thumbs up for your comment but I have to object to one point. When you say "The British literally got away with murder..." you of course mean the British authorities governing Hong Kong at the time - which is a miniscule fraction of British people but is another example of legitimising generalised accusations against every British person.
@Serenth Given the routine identity politics vilification of people based solely on race, gender and on occasion nationality, sadly we do have to keep making these disclaimers. This is the bigoted world without nuance we increasingly live in.
@@caahacky Suffice to say the British in Hong Kong is a mixed cuppa tea, there were good and there were bad. People, individuals are tribal, greedy, selfish creatures wherever they come from. That's evolution. No one is perfect, no race is perfect but through the flaws there are flashes of reason, nobility and brilliance that surprises and delights. I simply acknowledge the former but prefer to dwell on the latter.
My grandmother came from Norway. She told me all the time how lucky I was to be born in America. Ian grateful everyday that I'm a born American. Thank you grandmother
As a Croatian, I am very proud of Europe, our diverse and unique cultures, languages and I am beyond PROUD of all the European scientists and intellectuals who have created the modern world with their innovations, and I am proud of our artists, musicians, composers and craftsmen , engineers, construction workers and everyone who does their part to create a better life and environment. No one, absolutely no one, could “train” this pride from me. I was born proud and I will only die standing. God bless Europe!
zoomers have a term they use for women who express this kind of behaviour called 'pick me' girls.. I think the pick me mentality can be applied to all of these 'critical' theories.
I'm glad that Doug is looking after himself, we're going to continue to need his mind, voice & heart - for many years to come. Arguably the greatest British thinker/commenter alive today...if not the world...
Douglas Murray and the remarkable Thomas Sowell are always worth listening to. I'd add kudos to James Lindsay for his invaluable demolition of Critical Theory, aka "Wokeism"
I'm a fiercely patriotic pure British man......... I'm extremely proud of my heritage, my culture, and I'm extremely proud of what my Country has done in its very, very long and rich history..... We, as 21st Century British people, have got absolutely NOTHING to be ashamed of, and we most certainly do NOT owe anything to anyone. 🇬🇧✌️
I was raised in the 50s and 60s. It was an awesome time to be a kid. I wish the kids now 11:35 would study that time when there was very little political emphasis on anything. We were patriotic loved America were proud to be Americans. We had a can do attitude our future was bright there was no limit to what we as a nation could do. I hope someday the kids in America will have the same experience
I love what Douglas says about the victim mentality. I was horribly abused as a child, by a violent alcoholic mother, who gave me up at 11. I have spent 40 years trying to deal with it. She, and her constant stream of abusive boyfriends, did permanent damage to my self esteem and my feelings I of self worth. I try to just suck it up and deal with it. I try to find positive aspects of the things I went through as a child. I blocked out a lot of my childhood, for a very goid reason. If I remembered everything that my mother did to me, I would probably be in some psych ward, wearing a jacket that buckles in the back. I too have zero tolerance for the whining and victim mentality. If I can handle life after all the horrible abuse I suffered, than breakdowns over misgendering are intolerable to me. The only caveot I add, is for people who are actually victims of severe abuse, neglect, and massive emotional damege done to them. These current crop of "victims" are damaging actual victims of actual crimes. They make me sick.
As someone who also grew up with an abusive mother, I have to agree. I'm also constantly sickened by the double standards of our society, we sympathise and encourage people who force others to bend over backwards to accommodate their trivial emotions, yet those same people will defend my mother simply because of her genitalia. They're so quick to punish people for things which shouldn't even be considered infractions, yet at the same time defend or minimize the actions of monsters simply because they belong to the right social group.
Hiya. I'm a second wave feminist with a history of abuse and I keep telling younger feminists that in addiction groups the main aim is to stop feeling like a victim because that will just cause more anguish! Self compassion yes, but victimhood, a big no.
@@YogGroove I think he is totally brilliant and also very humourous,I love them two lads as well they have a awesome podcast and that was a fantastic interview, love from Liverpool 👍🇬🇧
He is better than most right whingers (and, in fairness, most of the radical left), but he's still a populist who cherry picks his facts to pander to a particular audience.
@@YogGroove Hmmm? Douglas' opinion or that of a random interwebz epsilon-minus with delusions of grandeur....err I'll go with Douglas, if you don't mind.
There are a lot of similarities between modern anti Westernism and the "Leyenda Negra", the anti-Spanish propaganda that was spread by its competitors; grossly exaggerating the bad, at times directly making it up, and down playing or ignoring the good. Many Spanish people ended up accepting the propaganda, much like anti Western propaganda is uncritically accepted.
@Prashant Sharma Prashant I know Indians very well and our Hindu agendas and obsession over white women That is what we Indians do ... Hindus are the ones fearing and that is why we have "Hindu Rashtra" ideology First look at yourselves then point at others Mr.Prashant "Sabhi Jagah Hindu Aunsh aur Bhagwa chahiye" is what Indians want shows Our Greed, Fear , petty low self Esteem. and if you have doubts about my nationality, I am happy to tell you I am a DALIT.
I’m surprised about his opinion on Edward Snowden. I was listening to a lot of Glen Greenwald and he changed my mind on that story. Now I’m confused because I love them and see both Douglas and Glen as honest men with integrity. Pickle
I suppose Douglas draws a line at treasonous behaviour. By exposing how we gather intelligence information potentially many people had their covers blown and could have been murdered plus the years of setting up these networks were ruined when these men exposed the information. I feel sorry for Assange as Manning actually stole the information and Assange just published it. Assange is still locked away whilst Manning is on the talk show circuit. Manning should still be incarcerated and not had his sex change paid for by the taxpayer.
Solution: form your own opinion! I thought his critique of Snowden (he stole govt secrets and gave them to Putin) to be disingenuous. It was my understanding that Snowden gave that information to the media with caveats and strict rules for publishing. He did not give it to a foreign power. He reasoned that American citizens (not China or Russia) had a right to know the level of egregious illegal surveillance and data storage that their own govt had conspired to and gave that information to legacy media for public dissemination. Was that treason or heroism or integrity or something else? It is a pickle but you get to choose Trish, so relish it :)
I clicked ‘like’ before it even started; I knew this was going to be gold and I was not let down. Douglas is like therapy, he says it as it is and he expresses beautifully ❤️
Douglas Murray is a hero of mine. Probably disagree with him more than I agree with him. I'm a leftie liberal snowflake. But he's sincere. Sincerity is rare this day and age. He reminds me of Christopher Hitchens. Pre-Ordered his book immediately. The Madness of Crowds was so on point, it actually broke my heart and I'm sure I cried. He's one of the most important conservative voices in England. And probably the world.
I'm liberal. Doesn't mean you have to follow the pop politics. Actual liberalism has nothing to do with the modern "left" or progressives. Or labour etc.
Sincere....not. He clearly isn't. Claiming that an obscure massacre enacted by the British Empire hasn't been scrubbed from history shows how good the empire was is Elitism at it's most obvious. Whilst I don't think he is quite as obvious as right whinging panderers, he clearly still panders to the right whingers.
@@PeteMD How so? They may not be the strawman version of it that gets banded about, but how can you possibly say they aren't on the left without knowing their economic positions or anything else for that matter?
Never allow others to shame you for sins that you have not personally committed. They do it to force you into submission and control you. The only power they have over you is the power you surrender to them. Instead, challenge their narrative.
I live in New York state. Yesterday (4/23/22) I saw a woman wearing two masks, one of which proudly displayed "BLM", she was of course a middle aged white woman. Honestly at this point I am happy that these people so prominently identify themselves so that we can all play the lovely game of "spot the crazy".
I identify myself by wearing canerow and anything culturally seen as not traditionally belonging to white people to display my anti-wokeness and make it easier to find my tribe.
BLM crt gender ideology brainwash these Middle Aged privileged women who have never known what true poverty and struggle is. Try being a white Neurodiverse woman who is discriminated against for inter generational poverty and disabilities despite having a IQ that would allow me to belong to Mensa and incredible talent to rock the world now 41 and in Australia
Douglas, not an easy one to criticise. After so much success, not quite enough self-doubt, perhaps? The title of his new book was slightly unfortunate in that shortly before publication the Russian war with Ukraine broke out, and he had not given enough attention to what had been brewing - which is now of even greater import for the future of the West than the subject matter of his work.
Convinced by Cynical Theories. Would love to see Douglas Murray and Helen Pluckrose have a chat together. Yes you're right FF - real victimhood is not a badge of honour but a human tragedy to respect. No victim would want the rest dancing around pretending to be victims and feeling bad. Actually the opposite ... I think it is disrespectful to real victims. And they talk about hate speech? Don't get me started. Nope there's not much of that except on twitter apparently.
I've heard Helen has gone full leftist bat-shit and removed her self from any association with James Lindsay over some political disputes on Twitter it seems. It's a shame because her commentary on post-modernism was great.
A thought just occurred to me. I wonder how Stars In Their Eyes would go down now regarding dressing up and playing those artists. Now curious to go scan for old footage of Stars In Their Eyes to find me some blackface.
As a former leftist who has and always had good intentions towards humanity in my heart, I cant thank Douglas Murray enough for helping me realize the bigger picture and how badly ive been manipulated. The internal tension between what Ive always been coerced to accept as a leftist and simple historical truths that contradict those narratives is something I have bern able to finally resolve. A sincere thank you to Douglas and Konstantin and anyone who fights for the increible progress that western civilization has made for the good of humanity, for showing me what matters most for the future of civilization, and to take a rational, non-hystetical stance on political issues.
I absolutely love Douglas Murray although I absolutely disagree with him on Snowden and Assange. Were they to go through ‘proper channels’ to deal with the issues at hand, the stories would have been buried at best.. they did what they had to do because they live by their morals and values. It takes one hell of a spine to do such a thing. They had lots to lose and they did lose a lot. And yes I do think they are heroes
I love Douglas, and have read two of his books already, and look forward to ingesting the new one. However, he loses me the moment he talks about Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, much as he did when characterising Tony Abbott in another interview. I've seen many interviews with Snowden, including on the JRE, where Douglas himself was recently interviewed. I get nothing other than the picture of a mild-mannered guy, driven primarily by his principles. There's nothing indicative that he has somehow been bequeathed an amazing life for taking the gigantic risks he did to reveal his government's surveillance overreach on the world at large. I don't get the impression that he intended to end up in Russia, nor 'sell secrets directly to Putin's, or that being excommunicated from the US was ever truly desirable as an outcome. He simply did what needed to be done, against colossal odds. I'm unsure what Douglas finds reprehensible about this. Hopefully next time he can broach the issue with Joe. I would like to see a genuine conversation emerge from this.
My favorite public intellectual making the rounds on all my favorite podcasts is peak 2022. What a fantastic way to welcome the coming summer. Kudos to all three of you!
The february 2021 massage parlor shooting in Atlanta was actually a great example of how intersectionality works; it was more important that some victims were coloured, than that all of them were women. The narrative was that the attack was racist, not that it was misogynist.
@@seamusharris9341 I bet the bullets that killed the man went thru women first. If you think about the logistics. At certain times in a massage parlor I doubt you could miss the massaged when you put a bullet in the masseuse.
I watched a left wing UA-cam new show about that. They died themselves in nots trying to decide whether to attack it as racist, misogynistic or anti-sex work. They were basically fighting over which took precedence. And then a very short time late a black man sucker punched a middle aged Asian woman in broad daylight and they didn’t mention his race at all (and the 5 foot nothing female co host claimed she would have tried to stop this massive guy whilst they screamed about why the security guards did nothing)
The war on the west is one of the best books i've ever read on social issues. A little shocking ( i had no idea about some acts, words by certain people / governments ), but definitely an eye opener for those who have eyes to see, ears to hear. My respect for this man from Romania, definitely will check his other works.
I'm Ukrainian but I've lived in Canada for four years now. I've been feeling more and more frustrated with western ideology recently. I mean, I can compare what it is like to live in the west and in the post-Soviet Union region. I feel trapped because I've run away from the horrors of war and social insecurity and I ended up in a society ridden with guilt. I am so lucky I've stumbled upon this channel. I love all the crucial conversations you guys host and I think you're doing tremendously important work. Thank you!
What is Western ideology? Simply a democratic form of government, rather than authoritarian rule. That surely has not changed, but due to binary extremism the boundaries are being challenged. I must suppose that is what you mean and find so disillusioning. What I don't understand is why you should feel that you have to share the mantle of guilt. Your exile for political reasons is fully comprehensible, and your standpoint enables you to explain to others why you find your freedom in Canada so potentially exhilarating.
@@Dylandog24 Yes, that is correct, by "western ideology" I mean a set of beliefs based on democracy. And this set of beliefs is now being bombarded with this woke nonsense that is actually trying to obliterate everything good about the "western ideology." You're right, I don't need to accept this or share this but for someone who is trying to integrate into a new society, it is rather upsetting and disillusioning that people who were born in the western world take so many things for granted and are currently trying to question and as a result obliterate all the good things they've achieved, all the good things that made me move here. You know what I mean? And I'm not trying to be melodramatic. I'm just thinking about these things all the time.
Quote Douglas "We (football team) won last week..." "What the heck did you do? You sat on a terrace, drank beer, and shouted at a guy much fitter than you to run." Dry British humor.
He was just recently on Modern Wisdom (Chris Williamson) which showed up in my suggestions as I am watching this as I type this. So, apparently I have another two long form conversations on this topic to digest.
I grew up in Texas and went to school in the late 80s & 90s, and we were taught all about the horrors of slavery, the upside and downsides of colonialism, the awful things done to the native peoples of this land, Jim Crow laws and persistent racism in the south. In the deep south, I learned all about the dark sides of our history and also the bright parts too, about freedom and liberty and escaping tyrannical rule. During February, black history month, we learned about historical black figures who did amazing things for the country or to advance society/technology. George Washington Carver, Harriet Tubman, MLK, etc. If kids aren't being taught these things it's because they started focusing on SJW activism and gender ideology and replaced the things kids should actually be learning. My daughter who is 21 was also taught all these things, and she went to a small town school in a rural part of Texas, that still struggles with real racism, and they still were taught these things.
Lots to agree with, but got to beg to differ re. Snowdon. He clearly made a heroic choice, but he is like any human, virtuous and flawed. There were no options other than whistleblowing and the fact they uncovered mass, unpatriotic surveillance of a nations own citizenry, is worthy enough and can't be ignored. You can find his methods distasteful but they came at great personal cost. Additionally, there is zero evidence for any deaths as part of Snowden's releases. They're egregious acts because they embarrassed the security establishment. The fact he sought refuge in Russia is hardly surprising. Where else? Continental Europe, Britain, Australia or NZ? He would've been extradited in a flash. As always there are swathes of grey to this story.
He could have leaked only the illegal stuff instead of all of the information he did. His actions endangered a number of informants and spies, undermined data collection activities on potential threats and generally have the enemies of the West a huge amount of data that would advantage them.
I tend to agree. Snowdon has uncovered grave overreach just as Assange too. Assange has had a rough time and is still in jail but Snowdon took the route he only had left to him, not through choice I am sure.
I like Douglas Murray's take on the culture wars and I like him overall, but he's still a neoconservative when it comes to foreign policy, I'm not a fan.
He was way off base with Snowden, everything he said was pure ignorance. The US government was illegally spying on Americans, something a million times worse than exposing secrets. Same with Julian Assange, Wikileaks never published a single thing that wasn't true. Murray seems very concerned with protecting the surveillance state.
America is not a binary good/bad. there is nuance and a journey to making things better. just because we had slavery does not make us evil. we are important because we made the choice to END it.
I still can't understand the use of the word 'we' when applied to the historical actions of nations. You didn't end slavery any more than I did. Even if you are American or English, it is extremely unlikely that any of your ancestors ended slavery or had slaves.
Murray is a neocon running interference for the establishment. I suggsest people look to Peter Hitchens et al for a more genuine 'normie' conservative voice.
Well done guys, fantastic interview. I'm done with all the woke BS too Douglas!! In all seriousness, what I am really loving of late is that by sharing the best arguments and supporting data (e.g. through podcasts like this) those of us that are still somewhat sane, or at least not insanely woke, are beginning to feel more much confident about our positions on some of these key issues, and act accordingly. This increased confidence is a trend I'm seeing pick up quite markedly in the last 6 months or so. For e.g. I've recently decided to take a pretty open and direct stance in opposition to CRT and trans ideology, especially when talking to friends and acquaintances. To hell with what any stupid leftest says about it!! I'm fortunate in running my own business and being difficult to fire etc but it still feels risky sometimes speaking out. I am sometimes still at significant risk of losing business partners and customers. My experience in doing this has been interesting... the more you try it, the better you understand how you can talk honestly about your views, and how people are likely to react. Would definitely encourage others to try a few experiments in doing this. Done correctly its pretty safe and very, very empowering.
What is "trans ideology"? Do you mean the fact that some people are born with a condition called gender dysphoria, like having a woman's brain in man's body or vice versa? Or do you mean something else?
You just accidentally summed up what's wrong with some on the right's criticism of anything left of centre: "it's communism. It's always communism". It's just as crass as some on the left's criticism of the right: "it's racism. It's always racism". You're part of the problem.
Calling communists 'communists' is not crass. It's accurate. But it's become unacceptable to call a thing by its name, even when that thing calls itself by that name, hiding in plain sight. And that's how the magic trick is done, kids.
Absolutely but it's important to remember that in the UK they thrive under the umbrella term of Common Purpose and they have infested every institution, routing them out is going to be a monumental task.
Superb episode. The ripples from the George Floyd killing, to me, are one of the most surreal and bizarre events of the past few years - the synchronised effect around the world, the speed of the response, and the seemingly disproportionate reaction to it. I wondered at the time, how these reactions actually become into effect - are there activist groups basically waiting for events like this to happen, ready to kick off at a moments notice?
My view is that it was advantageous to the Democrat party. Clearly the officers were not guilty beyond reasonable doubt, as Floyd had ingested enough drugs to kill himself. Something he had a record of doing when arrested as a means of disposing of evidence. Trial by mass media.
@@Dancestar1981 So many fentanyl deaths. Except George Floyd whose overdose did not kill him according to the court. My viewing of the video as an ex-bouncer being in exactly same position many times, is that the officer had his bodyweight supported by his knee on the ground. It makes absolutely no sense to put bodyweight on the neck. One jerk by Floyd and the officer tumbles. Viewing the footage I think the officer had no idea (he could not see from his position) that Floyd had not finally stopped resisting and had in fact died. He looks shocked, stunned when he realizes what has happened. My thoughts are that the officer did far too much to ensure Floyds safety. I would have made sure that Floyd was no danger (unconscious) if he had tried to resist. He should have pepper sprayed or used his taser at least. A guy that big is too much of a threat, one slip up and the officer could have had his head kicked in. It's easy for the public to say what should have happened, or that the officer was in the wrong. They've never had to repel an instant attack, or been king-hit or beaten unconscious. It is an extremely dangerous situation where there is little time to think, only to react and rely on the odds, luck, experience and training. As far as I can see, multiple officers (too many) let the situation go on too long, were too concerned for Floyd's safety and in the end they got strung up for it. They should have got him cuffed in that car (any way they could) with the doors locked and got away from the crowd. To hell with waiting for an ambulance.
Disagree with Douglas on Edward Snowden, i will give him some latitude though as he's probably not been able to get enough diversity in diet on that topic. He hasn't got endless hours to listen to Snowden and all the interviews hes done. To imply that the countries he tried to gain sanctuary in indicate hes dodgy is laughable, where was he supposed to go, Britain? Haha didn't turn out too well for Assange...
What most people are not aware of vis-a-vis the intelligence services is that there are mechanisms in place at these agencies to report unethical programs and behavior . . . or, assuming the whistleblower assumes those options cannot be trusted, the major media outlets would be happy to break that story . . . or, assuming the whistleblower thinks the media is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the federal government, he could release the information online. In other words, there are several options a whistleblower can use. Instead, he approached China and Russia, as Douglas pointed out. That is sketchy.
Great channel, great guest. It's telling how DM can monetize by writing books, articles, etc. (wow - reading!) without having a banal TV presence. It gives hope that being cultured, an interest in ideas, gratitude/respect for the inheritance, etc. means a lot - and is valued by enough people.
Always a question of "balance"...in everything. One thing the Canadian truckers "Freedom Convoy 2022" brought home in a most dramatic way, is the fundamental need for 'goodness to goodness" human connectivity devoid of malice and ill-will. ✌From Canada's Truckistan.... 🚛🍁🚛 🅷🅾🅽🅺...🅷🅾🅽🅺...
I'm a high school teacher. I wish I knew who to talk to, I wish I knew how to get an audience to tell people what sort of lunacy is being pushed in schools. The decisions and policies made at the board and administrative level are absolutely disgusting. If more parents knew - and I mean *really* knew what was going on they'd pull their kids from the system. It's bad.
We were forced into homeschooling because of covid, but we are going on year 3 because of this exact thing. I'm in Texas and schools aren't safe even here. As the mother of public enemy #1 (white cis male) its terrifying to think of the damage this insanity could do to my son, when he is totally innocent from any of this original sin BS
Your history is whats bad and that,s what they are trying to correct, but failing as you work with children and obviously can,t be trusted with confidential information, slam dunk!!
The main thing about Douglas is he's brilliant and brave. A trivial thing about him is that he's surely gone too far with the hair dye. His slowly greying locks were surely fine!
Another inestimable discussion hosted by the esteemed duo. Well done and thank you. Question: what did Edward Snowden do other than expose the United States federal government and its intelligence community for flagrant violations of the Fourth Amendment? As far as I recollect, Snowdon was particularly careful to work with Glenn Greenwald to ensure that no actual national security issues were exposed, only the documentation necessary to inform the U.S. citizenry that their state had, once again, committed treason against them. Mr. Murray was very strong in his opinions about Snowdon. He even used a little invective, which surprised me. I thought he would frown on government overreach.
Yeah that really surprised me, the things the NSA was getting away with should not have been allowed under auspices of “National Security” and all I can see is that he brought that evil out into the open. Don’t get me wrong I still love Douglas but that part struck me as odd.
Agreed. I was nodding along until his tirade about Edward Snowden. He did not make a compelling case. This degree of unclear thinking and insufficiently substantiated outrage now makes me much more guarded in how I listen to him. When he’s good, he’s very good, but when he’s bad, look out.
@@ac27934 Yeah for sure, I almost think it's a good thing because if you never re-assess how you listen to someone like Douglas it can be easy to just nod along and agree with everything he says without thinking. Not a fan when his neo-con side comes out.
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It is strange that as much as we are supposed to be hated the rest of the planet is desperate to come to western countries. Says it all really.
Murray you haven't been in the intelligence service have you? So how do you know there were better ways for Snowden to deal with what he knew? You can't. I haven't been in the intelligence service but I don't need to have been to know that they first thing they do is cover up for the things they don't want to admit they are doing. Just like every other agency of any kind and every human being in their personal lives as well.
And I have sent you and Triggernometry the info on the Nazi German occupation of the USA and the genocide of the American people. Yet you both ignore it as well as the info of the cause of all these identity issues and you also ignore that.
Again see, Murder of the Creoles of New Orleans 1935, UA-cam. And the supporting facts under about in Dropbox links.
But I don't expect to hear the truth out of either one of you.
Bigots with MAGA hats when you have Murray talking about the war on the West, really? You have lost the benefit of the doubt with that insult.
When did the Russians land on the moon? Maybe KK just didn't want to disagree with Dougie.
@@philliphayden2727 they sent unmanned space craft to the moon
I emigrated to the UK from Turkey at the age of 7 and then lived there again for 3 years in my twenties - I was in for a shock because every day I felt genuinely distressed by the bigotry, sexism, racism and brutality of everyday living. I even inhaled tear gas twice during demonstrations that I happened to be passing by. THAT is a genuinely fascist and oppressive place to live in, the UK is heaven in comparison. Why on earth would idiots want to throw away the best system that has ever existed in the history of humankind in favour of communism, Islamism and so on... stuff them. There's a reason my father brought us here and I am grateful for everything that I have been given by this country - a wonderful secular education that was free from bias.
So what if there is 1% racism, sexism and other problems in this country? It is fifty times worse in other parts of the world, especially the Middle East.
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I wish more people would travel the world to gain that essential first-person frame of reference by which to compare modern western society.
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Because they believe they can brainwash the children in school into their ideology, but brainwashing can only go so far
I love when Douglas goes into the zone. His laser sharp criticisms with cutting humor are wonderful and effective.
"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." Beating someone fairly only happens when the other side accepts fairness and morals as being a two-way street. The left doesn't follow those rules. The only way to beat them is to play by their rules.
His conversations with Michael Malice are phenomenal. Realistically all of his in-depth talks are worth a listen imo
@@dobermankompanie537 Is he hardcore pro Israel or something
@@dobermankompanie537 He said that? What in the world
He's made zero difference to anything.
I could listen to Douglas all day. I love when he has a new book out, not just because of the new reading material, but because I know he's going to be making the rounds.
I think i shall remain a heathen thanks.
Same!
Same
@Prashant Sharma no thanks.
Agreed, it’s so fun to listen to someone so smart.
*Douglas Murray and Jordon Peterson are the most insightful and intelligent commentators today.*
I'm originally a Hong Konger, I am very aware that the British literally got away with murder for some time whilst HK was a colony. However, I also recognize that they protected Hong Kong from the worst of the Chinese civil war and it's aftermath. They brought to a Confucian, family orientated people, the idea of self and individual freedoms and choice. I am aghast when I hear some of the woke crap about Britain whilst people in HK wave the Union Jack in hope and flee to the UK to continue to be part of England's green and pleasant land.
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Similar thing is here in India ......or even worse.
I think we can't sit and cry about the history, instead we push forward
and there's no point punishing the current generation,
but Indians have agendas, stupid ideologies, and something about "Hindu Rashtra" and a fvked up government.
I can spill out more Wild shiet about my Indians 'the land of purity' _(but people will report this)_
_(one of it is our obsession over wh-ite women)_
But I'm glad I have similar thinking & approach as you...
So there's still some sense in this world.
Thumbs up for your comment but I have to object to one point. When you say "The British literally got away with murder..." you of course mean the British authorities governing Hong Kong at the time - which is a miniscule fraction of British people but is another example of legitimising generalised accusations against every British person.
@Serenth Given the routine identity politics vilification of people based solely on race, gender and on occasion nationality, sadly we do have to keep making these disclaimers. This is the bigoted world without nuance we increasingly live in.
@@caahacky Suffice to say the British in Hong Kong is a mixed cuppa tea, there were good and there were bad. People, individuals are tribal, greedy, selfish creatures wherever they come from. That's evolution. No one is perfect, no race is perfect but through the flaws there are flashes of reason, nobility and brilliance that surprises and delights. I simply acknowledge the former but prefer to dwell on the latter.
My grandmother came from Norway. She told me all the time how lucky I was to be born in America. Ian grateful everyday that I'm a born American. Thank you grandmother
Thank God for Douglas Murrray.
As a Croatian, I am very proud of Europe, our diverse and unique cultures, languages and I am beyond PROUD of all the European scientists and intellectuals who have created the modern world with their innovations, and I am proud of our artists, musicians, composers and craftsmen , engineers, construction workers and everyone who does their part to create a better life and environment.
No one, absolutely no one, could “train” this pride from me. I was born proud and I will only die standing.
God bless Europe!
My goodness, Triggernometry! I love watching your programs! Douglas Murray is a pleasure to listen to! Many thanks!
Coming out as non-binary should just be called coming out as “look at me.” -Douglas Murray 🤣💯
Or "coming out as plural" as he said in the case of Sam Smith adopting the They pronoun
Thank God he's got a new book out...means we'll see him a lot more over the next month or so.
zoomers have a term they use for women who express this kind of behaviour called 'pick me' girls.. I think the pick me mentality can be applied to all of these 'critical' theories.
im 57 ,,,what does non binary mean ? please. i really dont know.
He should be a comedian.
I'm glad that Doug is looking after himself, we're going to continue to need his mind, voice & heart - for many years to come.
Arguably the greatest British thinker/commenter alive today...if not the world...
Hitchena will always be missed, and Douglas is no hitchens, but I appreciate the clear conviction.
@@puckloki873 hitchens the trot? he was a trot until his dying day.. how wrong can one be his whole life?
@@puckloki873 For me, I'd now place Doug over Hitch.
@@neildunford241 me too
Douglas Murray and the remarkable Thomas Sowell are always worth listening to. I'd add kudos to James Lindsay for his invaluable demolition of Critical Theory, aka "Wokeism"
"...the huckster dominatrix of so-called anti-racism, Robin DiAngelo..." Lol. I'm going to be quoting that.
Funny (frightening?) how a completely uneducated woman, with a degree in white studies somehow has this much power
RDA - the sexually frustrated race-fetishist librarian from hell's inner ring.
A slight rewording..."the huckster dominatrix of race marxism" (to use the title of James Lindsay's eagerly awaited book).
@@michaelstanwick9690 James Lindsay is a white supremacist
@@priapulida I think the plural is "dominatrices", but I agree it's an insult to them.
They're certainly more honest than DiAngelo.
I'm a fiercely patriotic pure British man......... I'm extremely proud of my heritage, my culture, and I'm extremely proud of what my Country has done in its very, very long and rich history..... We, as 21st Century British people, have got absolutely NOTHING to be ashamed of, and we most certainly do NOT owe anything to anyone.
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"Aspiring victims".🤣Douglas Murray truly has a gift for words.
I was raised in the 50s and 60s. It was an awesome time to be a kid. I wish the kids now 11:35 would study that time when there was very little political emphasis on anything. We were patriotic loved America were proud to be Americans. We had a can do attitude our future was bright there was no limit to what we as a nation could do. I hope someday the kids in America will have the same experience
I love what Douglas says about the victim mentality. I was horribly abused as a child, by a violent alcoholic mother, who gave me up at 11. I have spent 40 years trying to deal with it. She, and her constant stream of abusive boyfriends, did permanent damage to my self esteem and my feelings I of self worth. I try to just suck it up and deal with it. I try to find positive aspects of the things I went through as a child. I blocked out a lot of my childhood, for a very goid reason. If I remembered everything that my mother did to me, I would probably be in some psych ward, wearing a jacket that buckles in the back. I too have zero tolerance for the whining and victim mentality. If I can handle life after all the horrible abuse I suffered, than breakdowns over misgendering are intolerable to me. The only caveot I add, is for people who are actually victims of severe abuse, neglect, and massive emotional damege done to them. These current crop of "victims" are damaging actual victims of actual crimes. They make me sick.
As someone who also grew up with an abusive mother, I have to agree.
I'm also constantly sickened by the double standards of our society, we sympathise and encourage people who force others to bend over backwards to accommodate their trivial emotions, yet those same people will defend my mother simply because of her genitalia.
They're so quick to punish people for things which shouldn't even be considered infractions, yet at the same time defend or minimize the actions of monsters simply because they belong to the right social group.
Very well said!
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Hiya. I'm a second wave feminist with a history of abuse and I keep telling younger feminists that in addiction groups the main aim is to stop feeling like a victim because that will just cause more anguish! Self compassion yes, but victimhood, a big no.
Good on you girl xx
Douglas is absolutely brilliant, can't wait to read his new book 🇬🇧👍
He is mostly brilliant, but not absolutely. His opinions on Assange and Snowden are quite moronic.
@@YogGroove I think he is totally brilliant and also very humourous,I love them two lads as well they have a awesome podcast and that was a fantastic interview, love from Liverpool 👍🇬🇧
He is better than most right whingers (and, in fairness, most of the radical left), but he's still a populist who cherry picks his facts to pander to a particular audience.
You conveniently left the part out about snowd and assange
@@YogGroove Hmmm? Douglas' opinion or that of a random interwebz epsilon-minus with delusions of grandeur....err I'll go with Douglas, if you don't mind.
God bless Douglas Murray
Douglas is such a wonderfully well-spoken person and seems to be driven by pure passion. Love hearing him speak
Douglas Murray is now our American National Treasure! So good to see Douglas on the sown again!
Douglas is a joy to listen to. Articulate, funny, and right about almost everything.
What a grate mind ! I can't stop to listening and LEARN from you sir Douglas!
There are a lot of similarities between modern anti Westernism and the "Leyenda Negra", the anti-Spanish propaganda that was spread by its competitors; grossly exaggerating the bad, at times directly making it up, and down playing or ignoring the good. Many Spanish people ended up accepting the propaganda, much like anti Western propaganda is uncritically accepted.
Yes, I agree that sounds like a useful parallel, Pablo.
@Prashant Sharma Prashant I know Indians very well and our Hindu agendas and obsession over white women
That is what we Indians do ...
Hindus are the ones fearing and that is why we have "Hindu Rashtra" ideology
First look at yourselves then point at others Mr.Prashant
"Sabhi Jagah Hindu Aunsh aur Bhagwa chahiye" is what Indians want
shows Our Greed, Fear , petty low self Esteem.
and if you have doubts about my nationality, I am happy to tell you
I am a DALIT.
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I’m surprised about his opinion on Edward Snowden. I was listening to a lot of Glen Greenwald and he changed my mind on that story. Now I’m confused because I love them and see both Douglas and Glen as honest men with integrity. Pickle
Tbh it’s just a hiccup , Douglas for everything else is awesome .
I also disagree with Douglas on the Snowden and Assange issue for many reasons....otherwise I always enjoy his take on world events and social issues.
I suppose Douglas draws a line at treasonous behaviour. By exposing how we gather intelligence information potentially many people had their covers blown and could have been murdered plus the years of setting up these networks were ruined when these men exposed the information.
I feel sorry for Assange as Manning actually stole the information and Assange just published it. Assange is still locked away whilst Manning is on the talk show circuit. Manning should still be incarcerated and not had his sex change paid for by the taxpayer.
Solution: form your own opinion!
I thought his critique of Snowden (he stole govt secrets and gave them to Putin) to be disingenuous. It was my understanding that Snowden gave that information to the media with caveats and strict rules for publishing. He did not give it to a foreign power. He reasoned that American citizens (not China or Russia) had a right to know the level of egregious illegal surveillance and data storage that their own govt had conspired to and gave that information to legacy media for public dissemination. Was that treason or heroism or integrity or something else? It is a pickle but you get to choose Trish, so relish it :)
Love and agree with everything Douglas Murray says but I too pull back from his harsh criticism of Edward Snowden.
Love to sit down and listen too Douglas Murray for hours, I rarely disagree with a thing he says, this man is my vibe!
Douglas is SO good at outlining the parameters of the problem and highlighting what is dangerous about it and yet not leaving you feeling hopeless.
I clicked ‘like’ before it even started; I knew this was going to be gold and I was not let down. Douglas is like therapy, he says it as it is and he expresses beautifully ❤️
You should be ashamed of that.
@@ajb7786 sadly, I have far worse to be ashamed of 🤣🤣🤣 but I will add this to my list. Thank you
THAT ALWAYS HAPPENS TO ME WHEN DOUGAS MURRAY IN THE TITLE! It just becomes automatic!
Are you homosexual? he is, and you,re admiration borders on homosexuality!!
Understanding the problem is the first step in overcoming it.
Douglas, I just bought all of your books on Amazon. LOVE YOU BRO.
Douglas Murray is a hero of mine. Probably disagree with him more than I agree with him. I'm a leftie liberal snowflake.
But he's sincere. Sincerity is rare this day and age. He reminds me of Christopher Hitchens. Pre-Ordered his book immediately.
The Madness of Crowds was so on point, it actually broke my heart and I'm sure I cried. He's one of the most important conservative voices in England. And probably the world.
I'm liberal. Doesn't mean you have to follow the pop politics. Actual liberalism has nothing to do with the modern "left" or progressives. Or labour etc.
I'm on the left also but not a fan of excessive immigration or national shame or censorship. You know,. just like the left used to be.
Sincere....not. He clearly isn't.
Claiming that an obscure massacre enacted by the British Empire hasn't been scrubbed from history shows how good the empire was is Elitism at it's most obvious.
Whilst I don't think he is quite as obvious as right whinging panderers, he clearly still panders to the right whingers.
@@chelseapoet3664 You are, by definition, not on the left. Sorry to burst your bubble
@@PeteMD How so? They may not be the strawman version of it that gets banded about, but how can you possibly say they aren't on the left without knowing their economic positions or anything else for that matter?
Love Douglas!!!
Keep talking guys, we need you more than ever!!
Thank you
This guy is my hero,the book the strange death of europe was amazing.we need more people like him in this screwed up world debs xx
War on the west pre-ordered. Douglas Murray: you are the man!
Never allow others to shame you for sins that you have not personally committed. They do it to force you into submission and control you. The only power they have over you is the power you surrender to them. Instead, challenge their narrative.
Thank you Douglas! A voice of sanity that we continue to need. Fight the woke!!
I live in New York state. Yesterday (4/23/22) I saw a woman wearing two masks, one of which proudly displayed "BLM", she was of course a middle aged white woman. Honestly at this point I am happy that these people so prominently identify themselves so that we can all play the lovely game of "spot the crazy".
I identify myself by wearing canerow and anything culturally seen as not traditionally belonging to white people to display my anti-wokeness and make it easier to find my tribe.
@@DarkAngel2512 hehe I appreciate your contribution to society :)
@@erickaklippert8983 😂 :) Well,I've been wearing it for 25 years so these f**kers arent going to atop me now :)
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BLM crt gender ideology brainwash these Middle Aged privileged women who have never known what true poverty and struggle is. Try being a white Neurodiverse woman who is discriminated against for inter generational poverty and disabilities despite having a IQ that would allow me to belong to Mensa and incredible talent to rock the world now 41 and in Australia
❤️ Douglas , one of the few who says it as it is
As it is for a conservative.
@@moodyonroody5313 well, it makes a change from the continual leftist drivel being pedalled by the mainstream media and politicians
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Douglas, not an easy one to criticise. After so much success, not quite enough self-doubt, perhaps? The title of his new book was slightly unfortunate in that shortly before publication the Russian war with Ukraine broke out, and he had not given enough attention to what had been brewing - which is now of even greater import for the future of the West than the subject matter of his work.
Convinced by Cynical Theories. Would love to see Douglas Murray and Helen Pluckrose have a chat together. Yes you're right FF - real victimhood is not a badge of honour but a human tragedy to respect. No victim would want the rest dancing around pretending to be victims and feeling bad. Actually the opposite ... I think it is disrespectful to real victims. And they talk about hate speech? Don't get me started. Nope there's not much of that except on twitter apparently.
I've heard Helen has gone full leftist bat-shit and removed her self from any association with James Lindsay over some political disputes on Twitter it seems.
It's a shame because her commentary on post-modernism was great.
Any or all of the "Grievance Studies" trio would be fab.
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War on the West is an eye-opening book.
Love listening to Douglas Murray so much that I've decided this week to identify as Douglas Murray.
But are you cis-Douglas or trans-Douglas? Douglas-fluid? Douglasexual?
@@baltasarnoreno5973 fuck Anzeige ist raus. I almost coudnt breath for 2 Minutes due to laughing so Hard great comment
A thought just occurred to me. I wonder how Stars In Their Eyes would go down now regarding dressing up and playing those artists. Now curious to go scan for old footage of Stars In Their Eyes to find me some blackface.
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once again Douglas Murray and the gang at Trigger are on the mark. Love when the 3 of them get together. Looking forward to reading Murray's new book
Damn, I still haven’t finished listening to Douglas on Joe Rogans podcast, love that I’ve got hours of intellectual conversation to listen to.
As a former leftist who has and always had good intentions towards humanity in my heart, I cant thank Douglas Murray enough for helping me realize the bigger picture and how badly ive been manipulated. The internal tension between what Ive always been coerced to accept as a leftist and simple historical truths that contradict those narratives is something I have bern able to finally resolve. A sincere thank you to Douglas and Konstantin and anyone who fights for the increible progress that western civilization has made for the good of humanity, for showing me what matters most for the future of civilization, and to take a rational, non-hystetical stance on political issues.
I absolutely love Douglas Murray although I absolutely disagree with him on Snowden and Assange. Were they to go through ‘proper channels’ to deal with the issues at hand, the stories would have been buried at best.. they did what they had to do because they live by their morals and values. It takes one hell of a spine to do such a thing. They had lots to lose and they did lose a lot. And yes I do think they are heroes
I love Douglas, and have read two of his books already, and look forward to ingesting the new one. However, he loses me the moment he talks about Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, much as he did when characterising Tony Abbott in another interview.
I've seen many interviews with Snowden, including on the JRE, where Douglas himself was recently interviewed. I get nothing other than the picture of a mild-mannered guy, driven primarily by his principles. There's nothing indicative that he has somehow been bequeathed an amazing life for taking the gigantic risks he did to reveal his government's surveillance overreach on the world at large. I don't get the impression that he intended to end up in Russia, nor 'sell secrets directly to Putin's, or that being excommunicated from the US was ever truly desirable as an outcome. He simply did what needed to be done, against colossal odds. I'm unsure what Douglas finds reprehensible about this.
Hopefully next time he can broach the issue with Joe. I would like to see a genuine conversation emerge from this.
I would love to see a JRE interview with Snowden (calling in on zoom) and Douglas on at the same time.
YAY!! Delighted to see this interview! I will click on anything with Douglas Murray's name on it! Great job, as always!
Great interview. Love you guys. Keep fighting the good fight. We will win.
Can't get enough of Douglas :) . Certainly getting his latest book to add to my collection. So well spoken. Much love to all of you guys. Great job!
My favorite public intellectual making the rounds on all my favorite podcasts is peak 2022. What a fantastic way to welcome the coming summer. Kudos to all three of you!
You know you're in for something special when Douglas turns up and I'm not wrong.
Very true Jason.,he never disappoints.
The february 2021 massage parlor shooting in Atlanta was actually a great example of how intersectionality works; it was more important that some victims were coloured, than that all of them were women. The narrative was that the attack was racist, not that it was misogynist.
But the victims weren't all women. At least one man died, and another was listed among the victims (maybe injured).
@@seamusharris9341 I bet the bullets that killed the man went thru women first. If you think about the logistics. At certain times in a massage parlor I doubt you could miss the massaged when you put a bullet in the masseuse.
I watched a left wing UA-cam new show about that. They died themselves in nots trying to decide whether to attack it as racist, misogynistic or anti-sex work. They were basically fighting over which took precedence.
And then a very short time late a black man sucker punched a middle aged Asian woman in broad daylight and they didn’t mention his race at all (and the 5 foot nothing female co host claimed she would have tried to stop this massive guy whilst they screamed about why the security guards did nothing)
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Douglas is my kind of person, absolutely a brilliant mind combined with the right amount of snarky, dry sarcasm, I always tune into his interviews❤
Douglas is a brilliant man, we need more like him.
The war on the west is one of the best books i've ever read on social issues.
A little shocking ( i had no idea about some acts, words by certain people / governments ), but definitely an eye opener for those who have eyes to see, ears to hear.
My respect for this man from Romania, definitely will check his other works.
I'm Ukrainian but I've lived in Canada for four years now. I've been feeling more and more frustrated with western ideology recently. I mean, I can compare what it is like to live in the west and in the post-Soviet Union region. I feel trapped because I've run away from the horrors of war and social insecurity and I ended up in a society ridden with guilt. I am so lucky I've stumbled upon this channel. I love all the crucial conversations you guys host and I think you're doing tremendously important work. Thank you!
What is Western ideology? Simply a democratic form of government, rather than authoritarian rule. That surely has not changed, but due to binary extremism the boundaries are being challenged. I must suppose that is what you mean and find so disillusioning. What I don't understand is why you should feel that you have to share the mantle of guilt. Your exile for political reasons is fully comprehensible, and your standpoint enables you to explain to others why you find your freedom in Canada so potentially exhilarating.
@@Dylandog24 Yes, that is correct, by "western ideology" I mean a set of beliefs based on democracy. And this set of beliefs is now being bombarded with this woke nonsense that is actually trying to obliterate everything good about the "western ideology." You're right, I don't need to accept this or share this but for someone who is trying to integrate into a new society, it is rather upsetting and disillusioning that people who were born in the western world take so many things for granted and are currently trying to question and as a result obliterate all the good things they've achieved, all the good things that made me move here. You know what I mean? And I'm not trying to be melodramatic. I'm just thinking about these things all the time.
Douglas Murray makes me proud to be British. Even though I dont always agree with him, I always want to hear his well thought out position on topics.
SHAME NONE OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY BRITONS, JUST IMITATION KNOCK OFF,S YOU ARE AWARE YOU,RE WARS HERE, ARE ABOUT FAKE PEOPLE ASSUMING POWER!, HERE?
Covering content in a manner that is respectful, incisive, and timely. Keep up the good work gents!
Great interview and he's completely on target, people need to stand up to this mess and I believe a many are, but it needs to bigger and more vocal.
Quote Douglas "We (football team) won last week..." "What the heck did you do? You sat on a terrace, drank beer, and shouted at a guy much fitter than you to run." Dry British humor.
Douglas Murray has one of the brightest minds I have ever seen. So damn persuasive. He is the GOAT.
You can never have Murray on too many times. Exciting to learn he has a new book out...
Douglas is just a brilliant mind. Love him. After this I’ve got him for 3 or so hours on the joe Rogan experience. Can’t wait.
He was just recently on Modern Wisdom (Chris Williamson) which showed up in my suggestions as I am watching this as I type this. So, apparently I have another two long form conversations on this topic to digest.
@@GeneralZod99 thank you I will look that up now. If you didn’t listen yet the joe rogan one was also incredibly interesting
I listened to him years ago on Joe Rogan, is this a new one ?
@@grannyannie2948 yeah 2 days ago
@@elliotthyde5623 Thankyou.
Love Douglas and you too two!
I grew up in Texas and went to school in the late 80s & 90s, and we were taught all about the horrors of slavery, the upside and downsides of colonialism, the awful things done to the native peoples of this land, Jim Crow laws and persistent racism in the south. In the deep south, I learned all about the dark sides of our history and also the bright parts too, about freedom and liberty and escaping tyrannical rule. During February, black history month, we learned about historical black figures who did amazing things for the country or to advance society/technology. George Washington Carver, Harriet Tubman, MLK, etc. If kids aren't being taught these things it's because they started focusing on SJW activism and gender ideology and replaced the things kids should actually be learning. My daughter who is 21 was also taught all these things, and she went to a small town school in a rural part of Texas, that still struggles with real racism, and they still were taught these things.
Lots to agree with, but got to beg to differ re. Snowdon. He clearly made a heroic choice, but he is like any human, virtuous and flawed. There were no options other than whistleblowing and the fact they uncovered mass, unpatriotic surveillance of a nations own citizenry, is worthy enough and can't be ignored. You can find his methods distasteful but they came at great personal cost. Additionally, there is zero evidence for any deaths as part of Snowden's releases. They're egregious acts because they embarrassed the security establishment. The fact he sought refuge in Russia is hardly surprising. Where else? Continental Europe, Britain, Australia or NZ? He would've been extradited in a flash. As always there are swathes of grey to this story.
Douglas Murray is part of the establishment - so of course he'll smear Snowden and Assange.
He could have leaked only the illegal stuff instead of all of the information he did. His actions endangered a number of informants and spies, undermined data collection activities on potential threats and generally have the enemies of the West a huge amount of data that would advantage them.
I tend to agree. Snowdon has uncovered grave overreach just as Assange too. Assange has had a rough time and is still in jail but Snowdon took the route he only had left to him, not through choice I am sure.
I like Douglas Murray's take on the culture wars and I like him overall, but he's still a neoconservative when it comes to foreign policy, I'm not a fan.
He was way off base with Snowden, everything he said was pure ignorance. The US government was illegally spying on Americans, something a million times worse than exposing secrets. Same with Julian Assange, Wikileaks never published a single thing that wasn't true. Murray seems very concerned with protecting the surveillance state.
"Huckster dominatrix of western civilization, Robin D'angelo"
Chef's kiss. Se manifique!
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I love what he is saying 🎉
America is not a binary good/bad. there is nuance and a journey to making things better. just because we had slavery does not make us evil. we are important because we made the choice to END it.
I still can't understand the use of the word 'we' when applied to the historical actions of nations.
You didn't end slavery any more than I did. Even if you are American or English, it is extremely unlikely that any of your ancestors ended slavery or had slaves.
Yeah America is definitely non-binary.
@@tonycatman because it’s shorthand for our country and history, with which most people identify.
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Murray is a great thinker but his attack on Snowden was deranged.
A bit strong, hardly deranged, but he clearly doesn't like him, but that's his choice.
Murray is a neocon running interference for the establishment. I suggsest people look to Peter Hitchens et al for a more genuine 'normie' conservative voice.
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"I've had enough of these people" -Douglas Murray on imbeciles like Robin DiAngelo. Simple, to the point, and damn fking right on. QOTD!
Me too
Meanwhile there’s an estimated 40 million slaves currently worldwide . I’ve yet to see POC standing up to that at the nail bar or at the car wash .
great interview in the Joe Rogan podcast. You guys got a challenge in your hands.
I am sure I will enjoy this one as well.
When Douglas Murray talks...I listen. Font of wisdom. Triggernometry should be lauded for having him on. Brilliant discussion.
Murray is a joy to listen to.
Douglas Murray. Always an eloquent pleasure.
I just can't get enough of Douglas and his book " the strange death of Europe" is extraordinary highly recommend it
Well done guys, fantastic interview. I'm done with all the woke BS too Douglas!!
In all seriousness, what I am really loving of late is that by sharing the best arguments and supporting data (e.g. through podcasts like this) those of us that are still somewhat sane, or at least not insanely woke, are beginning to feel more much confident about our positions on some of these key issues, and act accordingly. This increased confidence is a trend I'm seeing pick up quite markedly in the last 6 months or so.
For e.g. I've recently decided to take a pretty open and direct stance in opposition to CRT and trans ideology, especially when talking to friends and acquaintances. To hell with what any stupid leftest says about it!! I'm fortunate in running my own business and being difficult to fire etc but it still feels risky sometimes speaking out. I am sometimes still at significant risk of losing business partners and customers.
My experience in doing this has been interesting... the more you try it, the better you understand how you can talk honestly about your views, and how people are likely to react. Would definitely encourage others to try a few experiments in doing this. Done correctly its pretty safe and very, very empowering.
What is "trans ideology"? Do you mean the fact that some people are born with a condition called gender dysphoria, like having a woman's brain in man's body or vice versa? Or do you mean something else?
I love him! I could listen to Douglas speak for hours on end. Such a beautiful orator. 🇬🇧
I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!!!
Critical Theory. Read James Lyndsay - he explains exactly what's happening, who is doing it, and why. (It's communism. It's always communism.)
You just accidentally summed up what's wrong with some on the right's criticism of anything left of centre: "it's communism. It's always communism". It's just as crass as some on the left's criticism of the right: "it's racism. It's always racism". You're part of the problem.
Calling communists 'communists' is not crass. It's accurate. But it's become unacceptable to call a thing by its name, even when that thing calls itself by that name, hiding in plain sight. And that's how the magic trick is done, kids.
@@philipford6183 Yep. The drongos on the left say the same when you tell them not to throw around the terms 'racist' or 'fascist'.
Survivalist Communism for us. Wealthy Feudalism for the globalist billionaires.
Absolutely but it's important to remember that in the UK they thrive under the umbrella term of Common Purpose and they have infested every institution, routing them out is going to be a monumental task.
Superb episode. The ripples from the George Floyd killing, to me, are one of the most surreal and bizarre events of the past few years - the synchronised effect around the world, the speed of the response, and the seemingly disproportionate reaction to it. I wondered at the time, how these reactions actually become into effect - are there activist groups basically waiting for events like this to happen, ready to kick off at a moments notice?
My view is that it was advantageous to the Democrat party. Clearly the officers were not guilty beyond reasonable doubt, as Floyd had ingested enough drugs to kill himself. Something he had a record of doing when arrested as a means of disposing of evidence.
Trial by mass media.
Yes
George Floyd was a criminal he was no angel
@@Dancestar1981 So many fentanyl deaths. Except George Floyd whose overdose did not kill him according to the court.
My viewing of the video as an ex-bouncer being in exactly same position many times, is that the officer had his bodyweight supported by his knee on the ground. It makes absolutely no sense to put bodyweight on the neck. One jerk by Floyd and the officer tumbles.
Viewing the footage I think the officer had no idea (he could not see from his position) that Floyd had not finally stopped resisting and had in fact died. He looks shocked, stunned when he realizes what has happened.
My thoughts are that the officer did far too much to ensure Floyds safety. I would have made sure that Floyd was no danger (unconscious) if he had tried to resist. He should have pepper sprayed or used his taser at least.
A guy that big is too much of a threat, one slip up and the officer could have had his head kicked in.
It's easy for the public to say what should have happened, or that the officer was in the wrong. They've never had to repel an instant attack, or been king-hit or beaten unconscious. It is an extremely dangerous situation where there is little time to think, only to react and rely on the odds, luck, experience and training.
As far as I can see, multiple officers (too many) let the situation go on too long, were too concerned for Floyd's safety and in the end they got strung up for it. They should have got him cuffed in that car (any way they could) with the doors locked and got away from the crowd. To hell with waiting for an ambulance.
@@harryflashman4542 I think so too subdue quickly and then drive him away
Douglas eloquently expresses my every political and social thought and position.
Make America Great Again. Bring back the importance of citizenship.
And make it cherished and valuable again. America is a 5 star hotel and democrats want to treat it as a halfway house
Disagree with Douglas on Edward Snowden, i will give him some latitude though as he's probably not been able to get enough diversity in diet on that topic. He hasn't got endless hours to listen to Snowden and all the interviews hes done.
To imply that the countries he tried to gain sanctuary in indicate hes dodgy is laughable, where was he supposed to go, Britain? Haha didn't turn out too well for Assange...
@@dareartes4232 Yep fairly nuanced viewers round here. Douglas has even said yoi cant expect him to be clued up on every issue.
The front lines of this war are being waged in our schools ua-cam.com/video/cxPEFLSCZNo/v-deo.html
What most people are not aware of vis-a-vis the intelligence services is that there are mechanisms in place at these agencies to report unethical programs and behavior . . . or, assuming the whistleblower assumes those options cannot be trusted, the major media outlets would be happy to break that story . . . or, assuming the whistleblower thinks the media is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the federal government, he could release the information online. In other words, there are several options a whistleblower can use.
Instead, he approached China and Russia, as Douglas pointed out. That is sketchy.
Love Douglas Murray's ideology, love his work. Great interview.
Great channel, great guest. It's telling how DM can monetize by writing books, articles, etc. (wow - reading!) without having a banal TV presence. It gives hope that being cultured, an interest in ideas, gratitude/respect for the inheritance, etc. means a lot - and is valued by enough people.
This hyper-focused, zoned-in view on our own countries, lets ACTUAL crimes against humanity elseware go unnoticed.
Always a question of "balance"...in everything. One thing the Canadian truckers "Freedom Convoy 2022" brought home in a most dramatic way, is the fundamental need for 'goodness to goodness" human connectivity devoid of malice and ill-will. ✌From Canada's Truckistan.... 🚛🍁🚛 🅷🅾🅽🅺...🅷🅾🅽🅺...
Very well said and all power to those truckers.
I always love listening to Douglas and can't wait to read the new book!
Thank you for you work, Mr. Murray.
I saw him on Bill Maher and found him very fascinating! Wish I heard more then. Glad to find this video!
Book ordered. Love Douglas. Excellent interview, chaps.
No cost of living "crisis" with you then? eh! still, get the handouts to buy these homosexual books!
I'm a high school teacher. I wish I knew who to talk to, I wish I knew how to get an audience to tell people what sort of lunacy is being pushed in schools. The decisions and policies made at the board and administrative level are absolutely disgusting. If more parents knew - and I mean *really* knew what was going on they'd pull their kids from the system. It's bad.
I'm American and will never put my kid in an American school. My daughter is 10 and we live in Thailand. Liberalism is a disease. Come the revolution.
We were forced into homeschooling because of covid, but we are going on year 3 because of this exact thing. I'm in Texas and schools aren't safe even here. As the mother of public enemy #1 (white cis male) its terrifying to think of the damage this insanity could do to my son, when he is totally innocent from any of this original sin BS
Your history is whats bad and that,s what they are trying to correct, but failing as you work with children and obviously can,t be trusted with confidential information, slam dunk!!
@@sentinal2343 Oh gosh, you are full of ignorant bitterness? Why not try to help your own society by getting rid of nutter BRANDON? 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
The best show to date. Love, peace, to you
The main thing about Douglas is he's brilliant and brave. A trivial thing about him is that he's surely gone too far with the hair dye. His slowly greying locks were surely fine!
Haha, I was so absorbed with what he said, I didn’t even notice until you pint out.
as long as it's not blue, or some other non-human color, no problem
The front lines of this war are being fought in our schools ua-cam.com/video/cxPEFLSCZNo/v-deo.html
I agree with some of what he says, he's a fascinating man, and utterly adorable too.
Another inestimable discussion hosted by the esteemed duo. Well done and thank you. Question: what did Edward Snowden do other than expose the United States federal government and its intelligence community for flagrant violations of the Fourth Amendment? As far as I recollect, Snowdon was particularly careful to work with Glenn Greenwald to ensure that no actual national security issues were exposed, only the documentation necessary to inform the U.S. citizenry that their state had, once again, committed treason against them. Mr. Murray was very strong in his opinions about Snowdon. He even used a little invective, which surprised me. I thought he would frown on government overreach.
I was very disappointed in his take on that and he offered no evidence to back up his criticisms.
Yeah that really surprised me, the things the NSA was getting away with should not have been allowed under auspices of “National Security” and all I can see is that he brought that evil out into the open. Don’t get me wrong I still love Douglas but that part struck me as odd.
Agreed. I was nodding along until his tirade about Edward Snowden. He did not make a compelling case. This degree of unclear thinking and insufficiently substantiated outrage now makes me much more guarded in how I listen to him. When he’s good, he’s very good, but when he’s bad, look out.
@@ac27934 Yeah for sure, I almost think it's a good thing because if you never re-assess how you listen to someone like Douglas it can be easy to just nod along and agree with everything he says without thinking. Not a fan when his neo-con side comes out.
I love this man!