The Untold Story of JFK Jr's Fatal Pilot Mistakes!

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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    This is the untold story of JFK Jr and the fatal pilot mistakes he made that got him, his wife, and her sister killed. The flight has been the source of endless speculation over the years and that's why I'm hoping to set the record straight on what really happened and the events that led to this tragedy.
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  • @pilot-debrief
    @pilot-debrief  4 дні тому +35

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    Here's a few facts I didn't include in the video:
    - John had to repeat a lesson during instrument training four times, but that lesson was about VORs and NDBs and had nothing to do with the reason why he crashed
    - nothing else in his training history suggested he was below average or a reckless pilot
    - Shortly after takeoff on that fateful flight, John almost ran into an American Airlines flight that was on approach to the Westchester County airport. John wasn’t talking to Air Traffic Control and the American Airlines crew had to maneuver to avoid the collision. The controller wasn’t able to get ahold of John and the truth is that if John had requested VFR flight following, he would have received traffic advisories and most likely avoided this, but he also would have had a controller to talk to throughout the flight that could have provided him with weather advisories and perhaps prevented this tragedy.
    - Ultimately, I think he just became too complacent, having flown the route numerous times and he overestimated his skill level in the aircraft and didn't realize how dangerous the situation was.
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    • @cail171
      @cail171 23 години тому +1

      Thank you!

    • @ImBlackjackYo
      @ImBlackjackYo 23 години тому

      You said " unfortunately if he had taken of when he originally planned... this tragedy most likely would have been avoided."
      Why is that "unfortunate"

    • @publicenemynumerouno
      @publicenemynumerouno 22 години тому

      @@ImBlackjackYo I'm just guessing but it's probably the money taxpayers supplied to recover his aircraft to silence the conspiracy theorists. If you or I wrecked out there it would have been "ho, hum, wgasa?"

    • @jamesofallthings3684
      @jamesofallthings3684 22 години тому

      ​@@ImBlackjackYoBecause he didn't? Braindead.

    • @Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver
      @Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver 22 години тому +2

      Someone (lk9650) just wrote that every plane crash is caused by swiss cheese.
      I know, it sounds cheesy, but as a swiss citizen I agree.
      Question for Hoover and the NTSB: A small cheese has a hundred holes. A big cheese has a thousand holes. Does that mean more cheese results in ... less cheese?
      Regards from Switzerland. RS

  • @michaelfranklin4462
    @michaelfranklin4462 22 години тому +197

    Quick call. “It’s getting late now, let’s go out for dinner and leave in the morning “.

    • @pamshewan9181
      @pamshewan9181 17 годин тому +5

      Yes

    • @adriaba790
      @adriaba790 17 годин тому +7

      Couldn't because they had a wedding next day...could've hired a limo though😥

    • @kirk2767
      @kirk2767 16 годин тому +9

      @@adriaba790 Unless the wedding was really early, couldn't they have still arrived before it?

    • @Ratlins9
      @Ratlins9 16 годин тому +18

      Let’s not forget, his instructor offered to fly them out.

    • @dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
      @dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 14 годин тому

      @@adriaba790 I mean, they could have. Flying is just the most convenient. And I get it, once the plane is loaded up, unloading it and either going in the morning or, if they insisted on leaving that night, finding someone to drive them is very inconvenient and since he did that flight 35 times before, he probably never imagined there would be issues.

  • @UncleKennysPlace
    @UncleKennysPlace День тому +92

    This crash, and John Denver's, were the "water cooler" stories at our local FBO. Lots of conjecture, which mostly turned out to be correct, unfortunately.

  • @anttiluode2985
    @anttiluode2985 День тому +135

    I'm not even aviation enthuastic, but I like watching these videos for some reason. It's still interesting to me. Keep up the good work!

    • @CrippledKev
      @CrippledKev 22 години тому +8

      same

    • @1bradpickett
      @1bradpickett 21 годину тому +10

      You might then be an aviation enthusiast

    • @anttiluode2985
      @anttiluode2985 21 годину тому +6

      @@1bradpickett no need to make fun of my bad english. :(

    • @pilot-debrief
      @pilot-debrief  21 годину тому +9

      Thanks, will do!

    • @simpinainteasyRHEC
      @simpinainteasyRHEC 21 годину тому +7

      @anttiluode2985 Don't worry about the hecklers, keep on working on your English. Truth be told, many whose first language is English can't speak or spell correctly. Lol such as myself. 🫂 🤗

  • @Ficon
    @Ficon День тому +56

    “Just because it’s legal, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea” should be the motto of Part 91, written in large glowing letters across the dash of every high performance low hours twin. Thank you for your excellent analysis and I’m glad you are starting to pick up some sponsor money.

    • @bartofilms
      @bartofilms 22 години тому

      But there was circumstantial ‘high strangeness’ involved. JFK Jr. was reported to have flown with a CFI when at night or when carrying passengers in the new plane. Clinton Bill was PotUS and JFK,, Jr had only recently declared that he’d seek a recently vacated NY State Senatorship. It ended upon being the SAME position that HRC eventually filled. George W. Bush was also in Kennebunkport or Martha’s Vinyard area at the time. 16:07 Other anomalies: No Flight Following, no records of en route comm’s, nor CTAF comm’s at destination, however there was at least 1 individual who came forward stating that he heard JFK, JR’s Reg. # in CTAF call outs at Martha’s. The USCG was not called out to search for the crash until the following morning and the USN was service that eventually dove on the wreckage & bodies. MISSING from the recovered wreckage?: The RIGHT SEAT of the Aircraft’s ELT. Yes, JFK, Jr. was P.I.C. He could have and should have cancelled that flight and gone over the next morning, or charted a commercial flight. Still, the circumstances around the crash and subsequent evens are suspicious. Keep in mind that every Presidentt since Nixon has claimed they would FOIA all docs related to JFK’s murder, but none ever has. The Magazine was called ‘George’ for a reason, and if anyone would have released the information to the public, it would have been JFK, Jr. ( or perhaps RFK, Jr., but his campaign was too easily scuttled.

    • @berniemccann8935
      @berniemccann8935 22 години тому

      "... twin ..." ?

    • @Ficon
      @Ficon 22 години тому

      @@berniemccann8935 Complex high-performance two-engine aircraft that wealthy low-hours pilots love.

    • @gregfaris6959
      @gregfaris6959 21 годину тому

      @@Ficon A twin is not necessarily complex or high performance, and as @berniemccan correctly indicated, the aircraft in question was not one

    • @Ficon
      @Ficon 21 годину тому

      @@gregfaris6959 I’m aware. More as a general comment than Part 91 is a zoo.

  • @frecuenciasvariables543
    @frecuenciasvariables543 23 години тому +62

    You’ve been benevolent to describe all the reasons why the odds were against him, Lauren was the unsuspecting victim. Was in New Orleans when then president Clinton ordered the coast guard, navy to search for the missing Saratoga. Bottom line simulator instrument time is close to worthless, he was a low time non instrument rated pilot unfamiliar with a high performance single engine aircraft. The pressure from Caroline and the wedding in addition to his own personal shortcomings made him believe he could make the trip at night safely.

    • @HabuBeemer
      @HabuBeemer 22 години тому +28

      I'll disagree with your statement that flight sim time is worthless. You don't understand the prominent reason for sim training. It isn't to teach you how to fly the airplane. Its purpose is to teach you instrument procedures and it happens to be a better "classroom" to learn procedures in since you don't have the additional challenge of flying the airplane at the same time. You can then take the procedural knowledge to the airplane and fly with less stress. Started my career in aviation selling flight simulators to major airlines and flight schools. Still flying 47 years later and still using the training I got all those years ago. They do have additional purpose as well. You can fly repeated approaches as needed, position the 'aircraft' anywhere along the approach, pause the flight for analysis, etc. Saves a lot of time vs going to the airport and being sequenced in for only one or two approaches if the airport can accommodate you. And you can create any number of scenarios to add workload; weather, mechanical and electrical failures, fuel management, flight planning, radio failures, etc. I got my instrument rating in 1980 and I fly almost all my VFR flights on an instrument flight plan for several reasons but largely because it becomes second nature. I also have an approved sim at home that I train with regularly to stay proficient. I can fly upcoming trips in advance as well.

    • @2whl4re
      @2whl4re 21 годину тому +9

      Simulators are generally more difficult to fly than real aircraft, the huge difference being you don't die in one. Simulator time is very valuable, and very useful - they'll kick your ass and you can be mentally drained when you get out of one. And the airplane will seem easy in comparison.

    • @jeffferguson4632
      @jeffferguson4632 19 годин тому

      Not watching the video....simple. Didn't have what it takes to fly hard IFR, and the govt and all the simp supporters wasted a few years trying to deflect the root cause away from the revered Kennedy. There, no video needed.

    • @ShonMardani
      @ShonMardani 18 годин тому

      There was no eyewitness, no blackbox and no radar, how do we know about his maneuvers and turns before the crash?
      A faulty autopilot can cause the type of crash as well.
      We also should not forget that the same people who killed his father and uncle would want him dead as well.

    • @daszieher
      @daszieher 18 годин тому

      ​@@2whl4rethat there is exactly what sims are for.

  • @mmatejka01
    @mmatejka01 3 дні тому +108

    Another good debrief Hoover. You gave more information about him that I had never heard. Still, another unnecessary accident.

    • @KansasWheatFarmer2
      @KansasWheatFarmer2 19 годин тому +4

      Actually he got the story Wrong JFK JR was murdered

    • @jwarmstrong
      @jwarmstrong 19 годин тому +6

      @@KansasWheatFarmer2 Hmm... death ray from aliens , a dark matter shooter or Diddy had a party in the back seats which distracted JFK

    • @karoleenascottage
      @karoleenascottage 18 годин тому +2

      @@KansasWheatFarmer2. There are no coincidences.

    • @gregjohnson2073
      @gregjohnson2073 17 годин тому

      ​@@KansasWheatFarmer2 That's funny

    • @protexroofing5939
      @protexroofing5939 8 годин тому

      ​@@gregjohnson2073what's funny?

  • @svenskanorsk
    @svenskanorsk День тому +182

    He stopped flying because his mother was terrified of him dying in a plane crash. Only after she died did he pick it up again.

    • @delilahboa
      @delilahboa 23 години тому +5

      That’s so sad…. 😢

    • @motogirlz101
      @motogirlz101 23 години тому +37

      The fact that an instructor offered to go with him that night and he rejected the offer is the truly sad part.

    • @drdorann
      @drdorann 22 години тому +14

      He had promised Jackie that he would not pilot a small plane.

    • @994pt4
      @994pt4 21 годину тому +13

      Growing up I learned to ALWAYS consider my mom's intuition. More often than not it was right. 🤷‍♂

    • @mrjombi
      @mrjombi 20 годин тому +4

      That fits with the timing.

  • @jimmydulin928
    @jimmydulin928 3 дні тому +224

    Almost all of my night time was in Hueys in the Army with another pilot. Later i flew Ag and pipeline patrol in airplanes with little night time. I consider night to be IFR and two pilot. I know many Freight Dogs and such are very comfortable single pilot at night, but they have instrument (and now all those computers) situational awareness. It is scary out there at night guys/gals.

    • @shayjohnson5830
      @shayjohnson5830 23 години тому +12

      I’d suggest 2 pilots at night necessary but there’s a large pool of brave fools who think they’ll always get lucky. Look at the shocking GA crash statistics, keeps getting worse.

    • @thelonerizla1
      @thelonerizla1 23 години тому

      ​@shayjohnson5830 not according Dan Gryders figures on GA . Last two years have sightly improved.

    • @utah20gflyer76
      @utah20gflyer76 22 години тому +11

      Given proper decision making and planned correctly to minimize risk, flying at night isn’t much more dangerous than flying during the day. I’d suggest conducting night flights IFR or at minimum plan and fly the VFR flight precisely and use an instrument procedure to get you to the runway threshold. Night is no time for sloppy flying.
      That being said don’t risk stack. Night is one reasonable additional risk. Don’t add bad weather with icing risk or flying over mountains, fatigue etc.

    • @tombstone4986
      @tombstone4986 22 години тому +6

      I was air assault in the Army. Thank you for getting me n my squad in and out safely. 🙏 I had a Walkman playing Metallica on my headphones on some of my night flights and remember the static from the helicopters rotors lighting up under the rotors, that was always trippy to me, how it couldn't be seen from the enemy on the ground...

    • @747-pilot
      @747-pilot 22 години тому

      @@utah20gflyer76Even though “night VFR” is LEGAL, doesn’t mean it’s PRUDENT! Personally, for me, at least, night flying is “strictly IFR”.
      Now, by that I don’t mean you have to file IFR and fly it as an IFR flight. *What I mean is,* the aircraft should be IFR certified, and the pilot should be instrument rated *_and current!_* In other words, _treat the flight as if it were an IFR flight, keep tabs on the instruments and be ready to use them if push comes to shove!_
      And most importantly use all the resources available to you! If the aircraft has an autopilot, USE IT!

  • @estelleadamski308
    @estelleadamski308 17 годин тому +26

    John's mother was NOT in favor of his flying & being a pilot. Jacqueline begged John to give up his idea of flying, and he didn't actively pursue it until she died. So sad!

    • @moniqueh7948
      @moniqueh7948 54 хвилини тому

      He was completely reckless and killed those women and himself. And Kennedy goons in the media spread the lie that they left late because Carolyn arrived to the airport late when in fact, HE left the office 3 hours later than planned and she arrived two minutes after him after he told he he was running late.
      Just tragic for everyone. The lives of the Bessette family were ruined and the Kennedy family has never been the same.

  • @dr.nigelcool3771
    @dr.nigelcool3771 22 години тому +48

    Could have hopped in the car and driven to Falmouth/Woods Hole and taken a ferry or other boat over to the island. Considering the amount of time it takes to get a private plane ready and to get everyone to the airport, I don't think a trip by land/boat would have taken that much longer than a flight.

    • @JohnnyPerth
      @JohnnyPerth 19 годин тому

      ?

    • @dalereed3950
      @dalereed3950 17 годин тому +3

      True. But like any other pilot he needed the time and wanted the experience.
      Also with the girls being late, he was most likely pissed off.

    • @NalaRichenbach
      @NalaRichenbach 15 годин тому +2

      I would have rented a Cadillac and drove up the old Post Road to the highway along the coast... straight drive.

    • @28ebdh3udnav
      @28ebdh3udnav 13 годин тому

      For convenience. For example, I live in South Texas. In the RGV. I know some who have private planes and they fly about 150 miles north to the next city. That usually takes about 1 hours from take off to landing but if you take a car ride from the city to the same city, it's about 1 hours and 40 mins, almost 2 hours if take breaks and if you miss a turn

    • @lizdahl847
      @lizdahl847 12 годин тому

      Cuda, shuda, wuda😮

  • @alsecen5674
    @alsecen5674 День тому +50

    I was flying the day this happened for the Civil Air Patrol doing Chesapeake Bay Patrol in coordination with the Coast Guard. We flew low and slow (800 Ft 90 kts) to look for boaters in distress. We circled the bay and cut across mid-bay at its widest point from east to west. The whole east coast of the US was in the grips of a summer heat wave and was very hot and hazy. As I crossed to the west coast, I lost the horizon. I had to fly for a few minutes on instruments. After I heard of the crash, I assumed he went over the water to get to the island and lost the horizon and shore. I guessed he thought he was heading out to sea thinking he he missed the island and tried to get back to the shore. The turns disoriented him and he entered a death spiral.

    • @donallan6396
      @donallan6396 23 години тому +12

      Most of my flying experience was on the shore of Lake Huron .In the summer, on hot, hazy days, you could easily lose the horizon . At night or dusk , I would use the VASI and ILS even when the airport was solidly VFR. It wasn't hard to figure out what happened to John Kennedy.

    • @georgeallensmo
      @georgeallensmo 22 години тому +1

      Been there scary

    • @Lurch-Bot
      @Lurch-Bot 18 годин тому +5

      Inadvertent flight into IMC is fairly common and your odds of surviving it depends on how well you use your instruments. If you are always in the mindset of IFR, nothing can faze you. VFR at night should just simply be illegal.

    • @polly8259
      @polly8259 18 годин тому

      @@Lurch-Bothow did he not notice his artificial horizon

    • @ShonMardani
      @ShonMardani 18 годин тому

      There was no eyewitness, no blackbox and no radar, how do we know about his maneuvers and turns before the crash?
      A faulty autopilot can cause the type of crash as well.
      We also should not forget that the same people who killed his father and uncle would want him dead as well.

  • @bobradar2962
    @bobradar2962 День тому +56

    Another thing worth talking about, with the injury to his left ankel, what about any pain killers he could have been taking?

    • @2023_GJ
      @2023_GJ День тому +17

      We'll never know, because this stuff is covered up for rich/powerful people.

    • @CanadianArchaeologist
      @CanadianArchaeologist 23 години тому

      Perhaps that and had he been drinking the night out with the boys? He could've felt terrible.

    • @Bearwithme560
      @Bearwithme560 22 години тому +5

      A few sources have said he carried a half bottle of white wine onto his last flight, so l wouldn't be surprised, but of course no toxicology results were published.

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 20 годин тому +7

      toxicology report is in the NTSB file. It's clean.

    • @Lurch-Bot
      @Lurch-Bot 18 годин тому +1

      Could definitely have compromised judgment even if he wasn't physically impaired.

  • @markbryan9989
    @markbryan9989 17 годин тому +26

    I have flown to Block Island, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket many times. Fog comes in quickly on those islands. No VFR only pilot should make that trip at night. Night flying over the ocean should be considered conditions regardless of the weather. I have also flown the Cherokee 6. That is a lot of plane for a low time pilot. A lot of holes in that Swiss cheese!

  • @Zyzogg
    @Zyzogg День тому +32

    I remember when this happened. I had just gotten my instrument rating. I had a really good flight instructor. He could do a really fine job of inducing spatial disorientation and the airplane might or might not be in a good flight attitude. Look up and recover. With two passengers in the plane, one or both would be sitting behind him. A quick glance back, or down at a map and no visual cues outside, to me, this one screams spatial disorientation.

    • @MrJeffcoley1
      @MrJeffcoley1 21 годину тому

      Hoover didn’t clearly emphasize just how quickly things went bad. JFK Jr. was flying wings level at 2500 feet when he entered the graveyard spiral. He hit the water about 34 seconds later, likely never even fully realized he was in trouble

    • @stevenaughton9372
      @stevenaughton9372 18 годин тому +1

      Do you have a ball on a string (or some equivalent) to let you know which way is up? I've seen this before but I don't know if it's something that works or an old wives' tale.

    • @MrJeffcoley1
      @MrJeffcoley1 15 годин тому +6

      @@stevenaughton9372 No, it doesn’t work. The string will show the apparent motion. Only gyroscopically stable instruments can maintain accurate measurements

  • @travelwithtony5767
    @travelwithtony5767 День тому +89

    Aircraft don’t care how wealthy you are, what your social status is, or how famous you are.
    RIP.

    • @TheApacheTrail
      @TheApacheTrail 21 годину тому +3

      what a silly comment

    • @flybobbie1449
      @flybobbie1449 21 годину тому +6

      @@TheApacheTrail A friend, not short of money, just sold Dallas Doll P51, sold business few years ago, just bought new home, retirement just about to get pension..his Cub nose dive after take off killing him. Funeral few weeks..

    • @TheApacheTrail
      @TheApacheTrail 20 годин тому +1

      @@flybobbie1449 I am struggling to see how an actual airplane would see who owns it

    • @thelonerizla1
      @thelonerizla1 19 годин тому +4

      @@TheApacheTrail I think you're struggling full stop mate .

    • @flybobbie1449
      @flybobbie1449 19 годин тому

      @@TheApacheTrail Not the aircraft it's the attitude of the pilot. Some wealthy are risk takers, reason why they are wealthy. Unfortunately being risky in aviation gets you killed.

  • @davidp2888
    @davidp2888 День тому +35

    I’ve always found this case fascinating. Thanks for the in depth analysis and explanation. I appreciate your content.

  • @deborahbrottmiller2948
    @deborahbrottmiller2948 День тому +116

    John acted irresponsibly-but I think in his arrogance he thought he could handle it. From what I’ve read he was a risk taker like some of his family members. That’s fine but not when you’re carrying 2 passengers.

    • @pam8056
      @pam8056 День тому +6

      he had ADHD which also led to his behaviors that caused the accident - poor problem solving, impulsivity

    • @jbsack
      @jbsack День тому

      @@pam8056and its been kept out of the records, but who know if he was on amphetamine for the ADHD and pain killers for the ankle fracture.

    • @MommaZim2
      @MommaZim2 22 години тому

      All 3 are still with us..had to fake their death..just like MJackson..Elvis..and 900 others faked death..matter of time before the world knows..although millions & millions know this..only if one has been looking for info..
      Another part of this crazy world right now

    • @goody2shoes384
      @goody2shoes384 21 годину тому +12

      That is the real Kennedy curse - arrogance and not enough fear to stay safe and keep others safe.

    • @gregfaris6959
      @gregfaris6959 21 годину тому +11

      All his instructors indicate he was conservative in decision-making.
      It is far more likely he did not fully appreciate the risks that were present, and the expectations of his two passengers outweighed his own better judgement.

  • @MrJeffcoley1
    @MrJeffcoley1 21 годину тому +48

    Great debrief. One element that deserves more emphasis IMO is how quickly things went wrong at the end. From wings level at 2500 to impact was just 34 seconds.

    • @daszieher
      @daszieher 18 годин тому +5

      This always seems forgotten. Quite a few crashes go from "still normal" to "all dead" in less than a minute.

    • @kreterakete
      @kreterakete 18 годин тому

      If sea is a mirror.. ok that’s maybe tricky or bad curse.. BUT every pilot would constantly and always stare at the altimeter, no ??? It’s the most important thing while flying.
      Nah, it’s strange coincidence and looks like sabotage to me.

    • @royb.1441
      @royb.1441 16 годин тому +6

      @@kreterakete he didn't need to look at his altimeter, he needed to look at his attitude indicator and or bank indicator. Only staring at the altimeter is exactly what caused him to pull back on the yoke and tighten the spiral.....did you watch the video?

    • @Phoenixx5115
      @Phoenixx5115 13 годин тому +9

      ​@@kreterakete ​ I survived a graveyard spiral over the Sierras when I was 20 on a cross country flight from CA to Utah... got into a cloud layer sitting on top the ridge, with a base about 500 feet above the peaks. I had just read a book on mountain flying and I did not want to try flying under the clouds because of the potential for mountain wave. It is the most helpless feeling when you are spatially disoriented. You don't want to believe your instruments.... which for me my attitude indicator was showing a diving left turn when I could swear I was straight and level. You don't want to believe your instruments!! Had that diving left turn not taken me out of the clouds I would have bought the farm like 90% of VFR pilots that get themselves into that situation. Lesson (painfully) learned.

    • @vertical2210
      @vertical2210 13 годин тому +5

      @@Phoenixx5115 You describe it very well. I experienced a similar situation when I was a military pilot at about the 700-800 hour point on a VFR flight, of course fully instrument rated. It was a flight in VFR conditions when we encountered a scud layer we attempted to stay below. I did not get an instrument scan going quickly enough and experienced exactly what you did - I did not want to believe the instruments and couldn't bring myself to trust them. Fortunately, I had a copilot with me at the time who took control. Otherwise it probably would have been lights out as there wasn't much altitude to recover. All that military training, including with vertigo and spacial disorientation, and it still took me by surprise.
      That was about 45 years ago. I continued flying since and never had a similar incident. I learned my lesson.

  • @tamasbodnar1729
    @tamasbodnar1729 20 годин тому +53

    Around the time this happened a magazine reporter went up in an airplane with somebody at night over the ocean the reporter was told to close his eyes for a period of time and when he opened his eyes his attention was directed at a white dot outside the window and asked to identify it he said it was a star, the pilot said no it's a boat in the ocean we're headed directly for the sea, the reporter couldn't even feel that they were going down this was done to demonstrate why it is important to be type rated for night flying and how easy it is to get disoriented.

    • @ktinxx
      @ktinxx 17 годин тому +2

      @tamasbodnar1729 Very interesting! Thanks for posting it!

    • @davidmotter5140
      @davidmotter5140 15 годин тому +6

      Baloney i there is no rating for flying at night , you have to have some night time to get your private ticket

    • @scrubly_jr
      @scrubly_jr 15 годин тому +4

      there's no type rating for night flying but it is extremely easy to get disoriented if you're flying over featureless/unlit terrain or large bodies of water

    • @craiganderson5556
      @craiganderson5556 14 годин тому +3

      When there is no clear horizon, night flying needs to be instrument flying.

    • @toddsmith8608
      @toddsmith8608 11 годин тому +2

      Dang, i better start studying for my night type rating. Can't seem to find any flight schools that offer it, though. I'll ask the local fsdo.

  • @gregoryknox4444
    @gregoryknox4444 22 години тому +102

    I'm a retired Airbus Captain (30 yrs USAir/American) with 18,400 TT (3000 Single Engine, 100? in the saratoga/lance type plane) ..... THE NIGHT JFK JR. DIED
    July 16, 1999 I was a first officer flying a Boeing 737 into Boston that night. I had regular schedule of flying into Boston for a lng layover once a week, and from Boston the next night to Miami for another long layover. This particular night was so memorable because JFK Jr’s private plane was missing, attempting to fly at night, single pilot, single engine (nice plane), into Martha’s Island for a family function, a wedding I think?.
    The descent into Boston I commented to the other pilot how murky and eerie it was, no lights what so ever. Boston was reporting overcast, 4 miles, visibility, approaches to Rsy 27 and 31 were in use. 27 and 31 are runway headings, based on the 360 degree compass rose, to the nearest 10 degree mark. 27 = 270 degrees, 31 = 310 degrees, and when you had parallel runways, and extra letter for Left, Center, Right were used, so 32L, 32R etc. ATC kept asking us slow down, and “can you see the airport yet?” When we couldn’t see it he turned us away and sequenced for an Instrument approach, and he was frustrated. Visibility was no longer 4 miles. We made the approach and landing without incident. The hotel was a 5 star, and the whole crew went to the same hotel (later years we, the pilots, were no longer staying with the flight attendants).
    John Kennedy, a private pilot with NO instrument rating and only a few hundred hours, bought a very night complex expensive airplane. Complex means big engine, adjustable propeller, retractable gear. He usually had a flight instructor with him as a safety pilot but not this night. His instructor offered but JFK declined, probably didn’t want to inconvenience the kid with a long weekend, housing may have been an issue too.
    I believe he got disoriented while flying, it’s easy to lose your situational awareness at night, no lights outside, it’s called VERTIGO. It can lead into a loss of control of the airplane. It did. It sounds like he rolled upside down in a steep turn with the left wind striking the ocean first, crushing the roof of the plane. It sank in 120 feet of water. They didn’t find the plane for 4 days.

    • @denisegore1884
      @denisegore1884 16 годин тому +4

      It was Rory Kennedy's wedding.

    • @tommypandaland
      @tommypandaland 15 годин тому

      @@denisegore1884Never save money when there is an event,hire a pro to do jobs.

    • @bruno84
      @bruno84 15 годин тому +4

      @gregoryknox4444 tell us more... it's really entertaining to read you!

    • @bellboy4074
      @bellboy4074 13 годин тому

      you have never been an airline pilot

    • @4Dangert
      @4Dangert 13 годин тому +1

      ​@@bellboy4074are you psychic 😮

  • @wallemon06
    @wallemon06 День тому +47

    Excellent video. Hubris definitely played a major role.

  • @aries37
    @aries37 День тому +19

    I remember my Dad talking about the security when NTSB brought the engine into TEXTRON where he worked.

  • @robinj.9329
    @robinj.9329 День тому +24

    I see at least 4 RED FLAGS that should have caused this pilot to NOT attempt the flight!😢

    • @gregfaris6959
      @gregfaris6959 21 годину тому +4

      It's always easy to see those red flags through the telephoto lens of hindsight.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 20 годин тому

      Like a big red banner behind the plane . He lived a charmed life but this was the BIG mistake that shouldn't have happened.

    • @ktinxx
      @ktinxx 17 годин тому +3

      @gregfaris6959 Why the negativity? Isn't the point of these debriefs the hindsight perspective? So that others may avoid making the same mistakes? And when someone identifies red flags, isn't that a lesson learned and "mission accomplished" for Hoover? 🤔

  • @JP-wg3uq
    @JP-wg3uq 22 години тому +16

    JFK Jr. , like too many others who have met the same fate, did not devote the time, seriousness, and attention to the safety requirements of flying. Flying airplanes beyond a point where a safe outcome is less assured is foolish. Other, more honest sources, have said he was not a confident pilot and the results speak for themselves.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 20 годин тому +6

      Actually I read, from someone who knew his flying skills said, diplomatically, that he was not a natural pilot.
      He never should have turned down the offers to have an experienced pilot to fly with him. Those last few minutes were horrifying.

  • @joebush1663
    @joebush1663 21 годину тому +23

    Fame and wealth had it's privileges. The US Navy dispatched it's entire east coast fleet looking for Kennedy Jr.

    • @bradcrosier1332
      @bradcrosier1332 16 годин тому +4

      Yep, I’ve often commented (very sarcastically) how comforting it is to know that if one of my flights ever goes missing that half of the U.S. Navy will be sent to look for me. What a crock of crap. It’s sad that his poor decision making led to this accident, but but the people I feel sorry for are the ladies and their families - not a trust fund kid who overestimated his abilities.

    • @Hummerbird99
      @Hummerbird99 13 годин тому +2

      Well all that wealth and fame didn't save him.

    • @joebush1663
      @joebush1663 13 годин тому +3

      @@Hummerbird99 He took 3 tries at the NY bar before he passed. he wasn't the smartest stump in the forest.

    • @bradcrosier1332
      @bradcrosier1332 12 годин тому

      @@Hummerbird99 - If anything it probably bread the hubris/arrogance that led to the accident.

  • @FLpatriotLady
    @FLpatriotLady День тому +18

    He should have never flown that night without an instructor. An avoidable tragedy.

  • @andrewkelly628
    @andrewkelly628 День тому +20

    Thank you, Hoover, for another excellent post!!

  • @TOTAL457
    @TOTAL457 2 дні тому +39

    Over confidence is what kills a pilot too. I am so keen for Pilot Debrief to make an episode on the plane crash of one of the most successful cinema composers, James Horner - what happened to him? I was so distraught when he died because his music was beautiful and intense such as Aliens, Titanic, Avatar, Braveheart etc.

    • @bigwaidave4865
      @bigwaidave4865 День тому +5

      as well my favorite. the theme to "The Perfect Storm"

    • @DavidStaab-zi3ls
      @DavidStaab-zi3ls День тому +3

      @@bigwaidave4865 I lived in Gloucester, Massachusetts for 10 years where the perfect storm was filmed if that is your reference. :-) Another tragedy drowning, no funner than crashing a plane and I am a licensed boat captain. Seen it.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 20 годин тому

      What a great suggestion.

    • @comradebish
      @comradebish 19 годин тому

      This is great, I'd be so interested in watching one on him from Hoover

  • @rebeccamoon5766
    @rebeccamoon5766 3 дні тому +56

    I seem to recall reading somewhere that Jackie was extremely opposed to JFK Jr.'s flight training, so he gave it up and then started again after she passed away. Apparently quite a number of Kennedys and Bouviers had already died in small plane crashes.

    • @pilot-debrief
      @pilot-debrief  3 дні тому +12

      I hadn’t heard that about his training. That’s interesting and could very well be true.

    • @Damien-q8t
      @Damien-q8t День тому

      ​@@pilot-debriefdying in a plane crash is rare.....well as Superman said about flying..."Statisticaly speaking it is still the safest way to travel"

    • @terraflow__bryanburdo4547
      @terraflow__bryanburdo4547 День тому +9

      If you want to read a crazy and tragic story look up the death of his uncle, Joe Jr. This alone may have been enough to make Jackie skeptical.

    • @DavidStaab-zi3ls
      @DavidStaab-zi3ls День тому +7

      Yeah. That family does not have wonderful luck. Sad no matter your feelings on them tragic death not a good thing.

    • @kneel1
      @kneel1 23 години тому +3

      @@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 yeah that was my immediate thought too as far as the most famous Kennedy plane crash

  • @johngood542
    @johngood542 16 годин тому +26

    A pilot friend of mine was flying VFR in the same area that evening, and noted the visibility issues. He also reported a slanting cloud layer that offered a false clue as to the true horizon: this twice had him making an involuntary turn before he figured out to disregard it and consult the artificial horizon. He believes this phenomenon contributed to the crash.

    • @good1day726
      @good1day726 6 годин тому

      Interesting. And adding in possibly being momentarily distracted by a misdialed frequency.

  • @psrwhite
    @psrwhite 2 дні тому +30

    Hoover I just joined your channel because I respect your knowledge and I find so much wisdom from you that I can apply to my every day life to be safer!! Thank you Hoover.

  • @darksidemachining
    @darksidemachining День тому +10

    Great Video. As you had mentioned in a past video about the Nelons and the Bramlage families, though the high performance complicated plane you are flying can be flown with a single pilot, it might be a good idea if you can have a second pilot fly with you to cover some of the workload. In John Junior’s case his ego may have gotten the best of him to show the women he can handle the plane without any help.

    • @jimbtv
      @jimbtv 23 години тому +4

      Keep in mind that what started out as a flight into dusk conditions turned into a full-blown night flight. The offer of a second pilot was likely made when the original flight plan was in play and the decision to rethink the offer fell back in the clutter of his decision process. A new plane, flight at night, delay after delay in getting off the ground, the pressure of promising to drop off the sister and make it to the wedding... I don't think ego was a primary factor in this tragedy. Knowing when to pull the plug on making a flight can be difficult. This is why pilots create a conditional checklist that takes all these factors into consideration and tosses a red flag when different conditions are met.

  • @P51
    @P51 День тому +17

    great debreif--i didn't hear anything untold however

    • @pilot-debrief
      @pilot-debrief  19 годин тому +9

      I tried my best to present at least a few details that most people wouldn’t be familiar with and my perspective on this event.

    • @P51
      @P51 18 годин тому

      @@pilot-debrief gotcha. nice job 👍🏾

    • @candyjamaican
      @candyjamaican 2 години тому

      That’s his ‘thing’ I see, use words to pull view and words to keep us watching and waiting and watching.

  • @johanwithag2432
    @johanwithag2432 20 годин тому +10

    Flying with family or other guest is dangerous by nature. They talk to you, asking questions, they distract you at the moment you have to concentrate and have to do complex tasks. They reduce your span of controle and you can't let them shut up. It's a major factor in private flying accidents.

    • @bayridge99
      @bayridge99 18 годин тому +4

      Really excellent point. Cheers form the UK where we get lots of murky weather, and the sensible non professional pilots don’t fly. As one of his instructors said, find the money for an airline ticket of professional pilot.

    • @johanwithag2432
      @johanwithag2432 4 години тому +1

      @@bayridge99 Hi, thanks for your response. Same here in The Netherlands for the murky weathers. IMC flying is difficult, even for trained pilots.

  • @hughslaton
    @hughslaton 23 години тому +12

    Is the "significance of Lauren later in the video" comment about maybe them living if they didn't have to go to Martha's Vineyard? I thought it was going to be something else since you referenced her as mostly forgotten.

    • @pilot-debrief
      @pilot-debrief  21 годину тому +7

      Yes, that was the point I made at the end. If she hadn’t been on that flight, then a direct path to Hyannis Port would have been mostly over land and likely would have resulted in better visual references to know which way is up/down.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 20 годин тому +2

      It's a big what if, tho

    • @irongrl
      @irongrl 17 годин тому +1

      Lauren was trying to get John & Carolyn back together. John had moved out of their home and was living in a hotel. Lauren talked Carolyn into going on the flight and suggested that she go along so they could drop her off at Martha's Vineyard.

  • @lk9650
    @lk9650 23 години тому +33

    It's an amazing fact that almost every plane accident is caused by Swiss cheese.

    • @Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver
      @Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver 22 години тому +9

      Every plane crash is caused by swiss cheese?
      I know, it sounds cheesy, but as a swiss citizen I agree.
      Question for Hoover and the NTSB: A small cheese has a hundred holes. A big cheese has a thousand holes. Does that mean more cheese results in ... less cheese?
      Regards from Switzerland. RS

    • @raymondo162
      @raymondo162 21 годину тому

      if cheddar ever gets involved - there'll be massive problems............

    • @awg6397
      @awg6397 21 годину тому

      WE MUST BAN THE SWISS CHEESE!!! ITS DEADLY FOR AIRPLANES!

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 21 годину тому +3

      @@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver I've pondered the same question when I ripped a hole in my net - does it have more holes or less holes?

    • @kreterakete
      @kreterakete 17 годин тому +4

      What do you call a dinosaur made of cheese?
      Gorgonzilla

  • @jbsack
    @jbsack День тому +12

    Alot of ICAO countries dont allow VFR at night.

  • @Luv2Huvr
    @Luv2Huvr 19 годин тому +27

    On that night in 1999 I was flying as Captain in a US Airways Exp Beech 1900 commuter. I made two round trips ALB-BOS. Both approaches in Boston Logan airport required an ILS to get in. I can only imagine the lack of ground lights and being over water must have been disorienting for a non-instrument rated private pilot.

  • @TheJapanChannelDcom
    @TheJapanChannelDcom 14 годин тому +6

    So.. which part of this was "untold"?

    • @Hummerbird99
      @Hummerbird99 13 годин тому +1

      For me it was the part about the 3rd passenger (Lauren)and that's why they were flying over water. Never heard that before.

    • @gregdzialo9998
      @gregdzialo9998 6 годин тому

      ​@@Hummerbird99
      IIRC, the womens' family sued the Kennedys' for wrongful death but I don't know/remember what became of it... probably the usual out-of-court settlement for an undisclosed amount.
      Nonetheless, still a very sad situation.

    • @mmayes9466
      @mmayes9466 3 години тому

      @@gregdzialo9998they got $15 mil

    • @candyjamaican
      @candyjamaican 2 години тому

      Still waiting too.

  • @glennrishton5679
    @glennrishton5679 19 годин тому +12

    Can someone explain something to me? One cause in quite a few of these accidents is the loss of spatial orientation whether night, over water or weather related. If you cant see outside, dont look outside, use the instruments to tell you what you're doing. Admittedly I know little about flying beyond where to find my seat in economy class but years going to sea taught me if you were in limited or zero visibility you look at the radar and the compass.

    • @tjotwo
      @tjotwo 14 годин тому +3

      I probably have fewer hours than JFK Jr and my last biannual review was over 20 years ago, but I'll take a stab at a semi-informed response. Dead reckoning on land (Ranger and Jungle schools before GPS) and night flying require some looking up and out for aircraft separation (and not running into a tree or off a cliff, if on land) and more focus on and trust in instruments. I was blessed to have a laid-off Braniff pilot as an instructor. We went beyond minimal required instruction. His Cessna 172 was equipped with instrument flight systems and he taught me the basics of using them if I found myself suddenly in IFR conditions and warned me against IFR flying until I was rated. I also spent a lot of time using foggles, or under the hood, so to speak. I wore something that only allowed me to see my instruments and not outside. The culmination of my foggle training was a late-night (1 AM to 2 AM) from Austin to San Antonio, an airport I had never flown into. He arranged with the San Antonio tower to guide me in with vectors and altitudes until I was only about 100 feet AGL when I took my foggles off and landed. Training like that should be mandatory. Caution and good sense should be mandatory as well, but that is harder to instill and verify.

    • @3beltwesty
      @3beltwesty 13 годин тому +1

      He was not instrument rated so those fancy instruments he did not trust or fully understand.

    • @davidr8309
      @davidr8309 10 годин тому +2

      It is easy to say you should trust your instruments. However, this is something that you have to practice. In an aircraft you can be in a 45 degree bank (indicated by your instruments) but feel like you are level. Ignoring your instinct especially as your stress level increases is difficult.

    • @tjotwo
      @tjotwo 9 годин тому +1

      @@3beltwesty You do not have to be instrument rated to use your basic 6-pack instruments and all VFR pilots need to master them.

    • @mowtivatedmechanic1172
      @mowtivatedmechanic1172 4 години тому

      Essentially your head lies to you and you have to ignore your body and rely on the instruments. Reading them alone won’t really help if specially disoriented. IFR pilots are trained to ignore their own heads and rely on the instruments. Wing an IFR pilot is a big mental workout. And yes, I’ve flown Martha’s and a host of other similar airports and conditions. Would not recommend a VFR pilot going. Everytime I’ve flown that north east sector VFR or IFR conditions I’ve flown IFR.

  • @augustingarnier4625
    @augustingarnier4625 16 годин тому +6

    As one mother told me shortly after the crash "I'm glad that his mother had already passed away for it would have surely killed her to have her only son die". They have a profound history of tragedy.

  • @m.h.6499
    @m.h.6499 23 години тому +9

    When I got my cast off, my foot and ankle muscles were so weak I could barely move my foot. I was shocked by the de-conditioning. I needed to get strong through Physical therapy.
    He apparently thought his foot was fine to fly, but I wonder.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 20 годин тому +2

      I experienced the same thing. I did rehab and then committed to swimming laps to build up the muscles

    • @No_ReGretzkys99
      @No_ReGretzkys99 18 годин тому +1

      I experience the same thing after a knee surgery in 2018 but also if he was on painkillers which would lower his inhibitions and take his pain away that would understand a little bit more of why he decided to do this flight as I'm a recovering alcoholic and drug addict with multiple years sober

    • @pamshewan9181
      @pamshewan9181 17 годин тому

      Unfortunately there are reports John stopped for a couple bottles of wine too on his way to the airport

    • @m.h.6499
      @m.h.6499 12 годин тому

      @@pamshewan9181 Maybe to bring to the reception?
      There’s not much time to drink while flying; hope he didn’t indulge while waiting for the ladies and doing the pre-flight.

  • @thresher4
    @thresher4 День тому +5

    JFK jr. was checked out at my home base field Santa Monica Ca. "SMO". I remember the Piper Saratoga being White with green trim,
    the one he was checked out in.

  • @slayer6936
    @slayer6936 19 годин тому +5

    He let pressure over ride common sense. He shouldn't have never taken off. This was nothing but piss por judgment.

  • @CAPEjkg
    @CAPEjkg День тому +21

    Always happens, you have money and buy a high performance aircraft with little experience. These pilots treat it like another toy and not a life or death machine. Very sad but very common.

    • @stedydubdetroit
      @stedydubdetroit День тому +3

      💯 the Kennedy confidence gets these egos in trouble

    • @Heathcoatman
      @Heathcoatman 23 години тому +6

      I also am skeptical about a flight intructors willingness to say 'he wasnt a very good pilot' due to his status and power. Not saying these instructors were lying, but I am saying just because someone praises a rich and famous person, doesnt mean they are being completely honest. Lots of reasons to not throw JFK jr under the bus.

    • @mariaevans5793
      @mariaevans5793 22 години тому +2

      Kennedy was reckless and not the brightest button in the box. His overconfidence killed his passengers, and that's the bottom line .

    • @Phoenixx5115
      @Phoenixx5115 14 годин тому

      @@Heathcoatman Right, saying publicly that he was "average" when it came to flying skills may indicate he was actually a bit below average.

  • @Lee-mx5li
    @Lee-mx5li 17 годин тому +5

    Not sure where you got John's flight training info, but the podcasts with direct interviews with his instructors paint not so good skills.... furthermore you missed identifying that prior to take off, his local instructor was at airport and tried, insisting to John to let him go with them as advisor given John cast AND INSTRUCTOR WASN'T CONFIDENT WITH JOHN'S NIGHT FLYING

    • @davidmotter5140
      @davidmotter5140 15 годин тому

      Night flying is not difficult except when visibilty is limited then all bets are off time to follow the coast or wait till tomorrow

  • @craigpierce7996
    @craigpierce7996 19 годин тому +5

    There's no debate about it! Pilots know, only the useless news sources need it to be a bigger story. JFK Jr had a BARELY passable VFR rating, meaning visual flight rules. He was not a natural, instinctive pilot. He had what we call "Doctor's Syndrome". Rich people buying their way to a pilot's license and yes, there are plenty of sketchy instructor outfits that will trade dollars for competency. Then, JFK Jr left late, as all his passengers did not arrive on time. He had a VFR flight plan filed and he literally took off at sunset. After sunset, only IFR flight plans should have been allowed to proceed. He was noted as "agitated" at the delayed take-off. The media turned that into Jr and his wife not getting along. Well, in the end, the pilot is responsible for his souls on board and the safety of his aircraft. No money can buy your way out of that fact. He got disorientated as the dusk fog accumulated and flew the plane into the water. NTSB calls it Controlled Flight Into Terrain, or CFIT.

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 16 годин тому +1

      JFK jr's probable cause would be loss of control or LOC due to spatial disorientation.

  • @crisprtalk6963
    @crisprtalk6963 День тому +9

    After all these years how can any part of the story be untold? I don't get it.

    • @Randomly_Browsing
      @Randomly_Browsing 23 години тому +2

      He explains to you what most people don't know

    • @KillerQueensRyche
      @KillerQueensRyche 21 годину тому

      This was huge when it happened but also it's been 25 years.

    • @douglasb5046
      @douglasb5046 16 годин тому +1

      Yup. Nothing new here. Yawn

    • @Hummerbird99
      @Hummerbird99 13 годин тому +4

      I learned that this accident was actually caused by Swiss cheese.

  • @EverettLHill
    @EverettLHill 21 годину тому +5

    Hoover, I was hoping you would cover this one. I lived across the hall from John in boarding school and it was painful to watch how emotionally challenging it was to live his life. Thanks for not filtering your perspective on safety issues yet doing it with compassion.

    • @mowtivatedmechanic1172
      @mowtivatedmechanic1172 4 години тому

      Emotionally Challenging? Could you expand on that? (Genuine question)

  • @HAL_NINER_TRIPLE_ZERO
    @HAL_NINER_TRIPLE_ZERO 20 годин тому +4

    I've said it before, but I'm saying it again, the most dangerous period for a pilot is between 250 and 1,000 hours of flight time. You've gained confidence but often that confidence exceeds actual ability especially when conditions are not nominal.
    John didn't know where he was and he didn't know what his aircraft was doing. I doubt he ever knew he was in a bank. Dirty artificial horizon and never thought to look at his bank angle indicator.

  • @OffendingTheOffendable
    @OffendingTheOffendable День тому +5

    Two small plane crashes in three days Utah and North Carolina.

  • @scottschultz7645
    @scottschultz7645 22 години тому +4

    I loved night flying as a VFR pilot with an instrument rating. But I have turned around at night more than a few times because of low visibility. Night and questionable weather is a recipe for disaster, especially for a low time pilot.

  • @marka8947
    @marka8947 23 години тому +16

    Another example of the checkbook is thicker than the logbook.

    • @kge420
      @kge420 20 годин тому +1

      More so a case of get there itus. There was a wedding the following day.

    • @thehiddendrive
      @thehiddendrive 18 годин тому +2

      @@kge420 Flying is a prestige thing, I get it, but damn. He had the means to hire a car to drive him there, in which he should have hung out and relaxed with his wife.

  • @abdulmismail
    @abdulmismail День тому +5

    When I took flying lessons in the US - when I lived in Casper, WY back in 1998 - we took 2 dual-lessons at night; one in the circuit and another, cross-country (to Cheyenne and back).
    However, here in the UK, there's a dedicated 5-hour (minimum) night rating course, which isn't a certification on its own as it's attached to the PPL. That said, it's not specifically to give you know-how to take off and land at night. It's more for, if your flight is running late and you end up landing after sunset, then at least you have the competence to fly in VMC but in low light.
    We also have an Instrument Rating (Restricted) - because the weather in the UK is unpredictable (i.e., rubbish) - which is s "UK-only" qualification which allows pilots to fly IMC but then after then, if you want a full IR, you can do a CBIR (Competency Base IR) to supplement the IR(R).

    • @gregfaris6959
      @gregfaris6959 20 годин тому

      I've always been astonished that the UK was able to suffer such a long period as part of the EU without the EASA dismantling their bizarre pilot certification system. I know the airline world in the UK was completely turned upside-down and inside-out by EASA, rewriting all the rulebooks and instating thousands of new regulations and procedures, and other countries like France had to fully integrate their PPL program into the EAA cursus, yet something as bizarre and idiosyncratic as the UK IMC rating was allowed to exist and still does.
      In a way it's a good thing, as any IFR activity by general aviation pilots is strongly discouraged throughout most of Europe, and the UK is as close as it gets in Europe to a population of pilots insisting they have a right to fly.

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 20 годин тому

      We have that in the US as well except it's 3 hrs. and includes a 100nm cross-country and 10 takeoffs and landings.

    • @gregfaris6959
      @gregfaris6959 20 годин тому +1

      @@skyboy1956 No you don't. No person is allowed to fly in instrument meteorological conditions in controlled airspace in the US without being Instrument rated and current and cleared on an IFR flight plan. Special VFR allows operation in conditions lower than basic VFR, but not IMC, and specifically clear of clouds. Controlled airspace designates Class E or better, which in practical terms is all airspace above 1200ft AGL, and 700ft in the vicinity of airports as designated on a sectional chart.

  • @libertine5606
    @libertine5606 22 години тому +5

    There's a reason that a commercial pilot without a instrument rating cannot fly over 50 miles from the home airport or fly at night. As a commercial pilot you have shown skills above that of a private pilot and yet they don't want you to go over 50 miles since you are more likely to encounter weather or at night where you can have this scenario. Even scattered clouds at night can be a killer. If you can't see them you can't avoid them.
    Any pilot without a instrument rating or not able to bring their A game with a instrument rating should think really hard about flying cross country at night. The FAA gives us a lot of freedom as pilots and it is up to us to make sure we fly responsibly.
    Before I got my instrument rating I was flying from Laughlin to Palm Springs at night. I did everything I could to make sure that the ceiling was high enough that it wouldn't be a factor. I had preplanned that if anything seem weird that I would immediately turn back and land. As we flew along there was a very high stratus ceiling. As we were getting close to Palm Springs my passenger said that it was raining. I looked to the wingtip and in the strobes I could see the rain. I immediately turned off the strobes and said to her, "No, it's not!"
    I made sure that there could be no distractions and I kept my eyes glued to the Artificial Horizon, altimeter, turn and bank, Directional Gyro, and airspeed! Until I could see the lights of Palm Springs that instrument panel was my world!

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 22 години тому +1

      A commercial pilot can fly as far as they want or anytime day or night.
      However, they can NOT fly for HIRE at night or greater than 50 miles from the home airport. FAA is protecting paying passengers and property, not the pilot.

    • @libertine5606
      @libertine5606 21 годину тому +1

      @@skyboy1956 Well, I guess that would go without saying. I don't think that any of us would take a written, pay for instruction, pay for a check ride, just so we would then be limited to 50 miles and then not be able to fly at night. Duh! My point is the FAA is saying that these things increase the risk and we don't want a pilot, who has just demonstrated a increased skill, to expose paying passengers to it. And I am saying that if the FAA is saying that these are higher risk then we as pilots should consider that too. Yes, you are free to go out and kill yourself. Heck, you can kill your passengers, too. If they are willing to get in a plane with you. But, as I said before, a responsible pilot should understand that these things increase the risk and shouldn't be taken lightly.

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 19 годин тому

      @@libertine5606 Commercial certificate w/ no instrument rating is in nearly every ag pilot's pocket. Here's a kicker to that. I know ag pilots that spray at night. So they operate for hire at night. Some do have an instrument rating, but the plane is not equipped for instrument flight. Those regs are violated daily yet the FAA won't touch it.

  • @primate4
    @primate4 День тому +14

    Bottom line: Too much plane for a novice with too much money!

  • @shygirl6655
    @shygirl6655 21 годину тому +4

    He stopped flying because his mother begged (coerced, however you look at it) to do so. Jackie was convinced the “curse” of the Kennedy family would claim her son if he continued his training as a pilot.

  • @LTVoyager
    @LTVoyager 19 годин тому +4

    Any time an autopilot does anything unexpected, it is significant by definition and needs to be investigated.

  • @TheActiontkr
    @TheActiontkr 22 години тому +21

    At the time of the accident, the US government immediately thru every rescue resource available to find him. They would never spend that resource to find you. Absolute shit show. …. Great video!

    • @ADAPTATION7
      @ADAPTATION7 21 годину тому +4

      That's absolutely true. Coast Guard, Navy, you name it. Back in 1999, I was a flight instructor when I learned about this event through the news. The only reason they put in so much effort was because of his last name.

    • @veronicababy7959
      @veronicababy7959 21 годину тому +3

      Did you notice the Coast Guard rescued a man and a dog from a boat just before Helene hit?

    • @MrJeffcoley1
      @MrJeffcoley1 21 годину тому +2

      I remember that as well. A shocking misuse of public money and resources. Everyone knew he was dead, pieces of the plane were already washing up on the beach at MV before the search started. The kicker? After the bodies were recovered they were BURIED AT SEA. What a shit show.

    • @maxinef6654
      @maxinef6654 21 годину тому +2

      I remember when they were looking for them. It was an all day news show event.

    • @metamorphicme9378
      @metamorphicme9378 20 годин тому +2

      Privileged to death!😢

  • @ginnylinn8224
    @ginnylinn8224 18 годин тому +4

    The breach of our records is not accidental. It's planned.

  • @SpeakerBuilder
    @SpeakerBuilder День тому +13

    This is the Mt Everest of all plane crash stories, glad to see you tackling it, I learned from another excellent video on this crash that John's flight instructor had offered to go with him on this flight and he refused the offer. After your thorough layout of his limited experience flying this plane at night solo, refusing the instructor's offer was crucial. It was also reported that other private pilots had canceled their scheduled flights in this region that night due to the weather conditions. The real sad part of this story is that this guy had mega resources to simply charter a flight or to higher a pilot to fly his plane for him. This is a classic case of get-there-idis, and a man's ego that won't accept his own limitations.

    • @Userxyz-z2d
      @Userxyz-z2d День тому +1

      He flew that route so many times. He was not meant to survive that crash.

    • @trent3872
      @trent3872 День тому

      Yep, he kept imagining himself standing around the wedding party, drink in hand, bragging to all the others what a cool guy he is, and saying, YOU SHOULD SEE MY COOL NEW PLANE.

  • @bobbisen
    @bobbisen 23 години тому +3

    I can imagine, once you get spatially disoriented, things can spiral out of control very quickly... even if after a few seconds you realize what's going on, it might just be too late to recover. Don't underestimate the risk of this

  • @bryantturner97
    @bryantturner97 13 годин тому +3

    The entire aviation community from day 1 has always handled JFK's crash with kid gloves which his quasi-royalty status granted him. Any other pilot would have been dispassionately singled out for his lethal bad-decision making in his refusal to accept help from others or to adhere to the advice of more experienced pilots placing his get-there-itis above the safety of all concerned. I hate to say it but this sounds to me as if he may have been a reckless pilot and an accident waiting to happen.

  • @cantthinkofone6995
    @cantthinkofone6995 День тому +4

    I’ve always wanted to see your take on this incident.

  • @ljviks22
    @ljviks22 23 години тому +26

    Untold? This was one of the most told plane crash stories in history

    • @TheApacheTrail
      @TheApacheTrail 21 годину тому +2

      Lol this

    • @mey7579
      @mey7579 21 годину тому +5

      I have seen a few documentaries about this crash. I never heard anything about the auto pilot having a malfunction until Hoover said it in this video.

    • @ljviks22
      @ljviks22 18 годин тому +1

      @@mey7579 well idk what you are watching but the issues with the AP has been heavily covered as well as his injury and more. If anything this covers some of the least detail I’ve ever heard

    • @mey7579
      @mey7579 17 годин тому

      @@ljviks22 I saw Sir Disasters and another one I cannot recall the name of at the moment. I’ll rewatch the Air Disasters one in case I missed that part.

  • @danepatterson8107
    @danepatterson8107 21 годину тому +6

    I have a dumb question from a non-pilot: All aircraft have attitude indicators, right? What makes it difficult for the inexperienced pilot to use and trust the attitude indicator? Is it being over-whelmed, over-worked? I know enough about flight to know that the inner ear is not to be trusted, and the attitude indicator is what you trust your life to. (Or maybe I'm just totally ignorant, but I'd like to learn.)

    • @elainemarra9790
      @elainemarra9790 13 годин тому

      I agree with you I'm not a pilot just 35 year flight attendant talking about this to pilots most say they just don't believe that instrument bc of all other physical sensations needed to be ignored but not sad indeed

    • @markzsurka1643
      @markzsurka1643 13 годин тому +4

      It's not a dumb question at all. The attitude indicator is a fantastic tool, but i'd say the main issue is that sometimes it just FEELS so darned much like the plane is climbing or banking even if it really is straight and level. A lot of instrument training is not just learning what you need to pay attention to, but also what you actively need to force yourself to ignore. I know this might sound crazy, but the perception of doing something you are not can be so intense if you are not eady for it you will literally ignore the thing there to save your life while doing your damndest to take your plane to its crash site.

    • @3beltwesty
      @3beltwesty 12 годин тому +1

      Since he was not instrument rated all those fantastic instruments he did not understand or process. He was visual rated.

    • @wtxrailfan
      @wtxrailfan 8 годин тому

      @@3beltwesty So these flight schools teach you how to fly without teaching you how to read your instruments? How do these VFR pilots know how fast they're going or what altitude they're at?

    • @vetinaris1297
      @vetinaris1297 6 годин тому +1

      Panic and confirmation bias.
      The instruments must be wrong, I know I'm right so the instruments must be wrong.
      Sometimes called pilot blindness.
      It's basically arrogance. Not willing to accept you are totally wrong despite all the evidence literally screaming at you. You just get more entrenched that you are right and they are wrong.

  • @larscederberg8564
    @larscederberg8564 19 годин тому +3

    He should have left in the morning the following day instead also flying over water at night is very dangerous.

  • @Docinaplane
    @Docinaplane 20 годин тому +25

    No plane crash has ever made me sadder than this one. As a pilot, I can understand his feelings as he knew he was losing control of his plane. As far as I am concerned, the fact that he, his wife and her sister coming late was the major cause of this crash as everything followed after this. Some issues were, he had more money than sense by getting a plane that was too much for him. He had never flown IFR alone before. It's all so very sad. I've explained everything with kindness. Jerk trolls!!

    • @ktinxx
      @ktinxx 17 годин тому +4

      @Docinaplane I don't agree with what you identify as the "major cause". He was the pilot, passengers being late doesn't change that, it was still his responsibility. He made the decision to fly that evening, nobody else. He should have re-evaluated the situation as it presented itself to him, make an honest risk assessment, and stay on the ground that night. Everybody would have lived. 😢

    • @Docinaplane
      @Docinaplane 16 годин тому

      @@ktinxx Oh, okay.

    • @blue81blue81
      @blue81blue81 16 годин тому

      No his wife and her sister arriving late was not the cause. JFK's failure to evaluate the situation and make the decision to wait until mornng to go was the cause. Or put another way....JFK's massive ego lead directly to their deaths.

    • @valvodka
      @valvodka 16 годин тому +2

      Why is this the saddest plane crash of all time to you? Sad that you rank them

    • @Docinaplane
      @Docinaplane 15 годин тому +2

      @@valvodka Because as a pilot who has had some challenging experiences flying, I can relate to what he went through. Also, JFK jr was important to my generation.

  • @Scott767300
    @Scott767300 18 годин тому +3

    Great explanation. Sadly This scenario has repeated itself over and over and over in the aviation world.

  • @alparkranger
    @alparkranger День тому +22

    A small comment that JFK, Jr. was not President Kennedy's only son. He had a son named Patrick who, unfortunately, died 2 days after his birth in 1963. I would not mention this, but it was a shock that really affected both him and Jackie. He's buried next to his father in Arlington.

  • @pamshewan9181
    @pamshewan9181 17 годин тому +3

    Jackie believed he was not serious enough to fly. He waited until she passed

  • @Starship007
    @Starship007 23 години тому +3

    I trained in El Paso, Tx in the 70’s. Flying at night in the desert with city lights rare because of distances in Texas was very disorienting. Similar to flying over the ocean as sky and ground blend together.

    • @Starship007
      @Starship007 23 години тому

      Flying at night in a single engine aircraft especially 1990’s technology was a risk. Engine failures/instrument failures more common. Lots of crashes around Mt Franklin in El Paso with night flying and IMC.

  • @3866TIM
    @3866TIM День тому +12

    Well told description of the event but not much in the way of new information. Basically he flew into IMC when he was not qualified.

    • @stedydubdetroit
      @stedydubdetroit День тому +6

      Yes. Click bait title.

    • @MrJeffcoley1
      @MrJeffcoley1 21 годину тому +2

      Yup. Unintentional IMC, high workload, momentary distraction, spatial disorientation. From level flight at 2500 to graveyard spiral and 34 seconds later all 3 were dead.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 20 годин тому +2

      I respect Hoover, but this was yesterday's news to the majority of us .

  • @mainesail3097
    @mainesail3097 18 годин тому +2

    LIKE ALL THE KENNEDY BOYS-John was coddled and lauded in extremis giving him a warped sense of responsibility (somebody is always around to save his ass). IMHO, He never really developed strong pilot competance-His percentage of solo hours, compared to with instructor is NOT normal. Much too many instructor hours. He should have been gaining experience doing cross-countries in as wide a variety of conditions (VFR) as possible to develop all those soft skills and experience. But no, he stayed protected under the instructor umbrella.. I don't care about the loss of him, but the devastating loss of the two women is unconscionable.

  • @jimford548
    @jimford548 17 годин тому +3

    Hoover, you do a great service. Thank you and keep up the good work.

  • @grannyblinda
    @grannyblinda 23 години тому +9

    He started with an intelligent and cogent flight (daylight conditions, tho tail end of) plan that would have worked within his capabilities and experience. It all changed as 1) he was late ... 2) his wife's sister was late 3) his wife was late... and suddenly, it turned into a VFR night flight. He didn't want to miss the wedding and it was now too late to make the wedding by car or other. SO, the pressure was tremendous...tired, all of the changes, insecure, two women passengers, tensions, late, visibility poor and worsening, over worked/loaded...such a bummer ...lots of lessons for all of us who fly...

  • @gogreen7794
    @gogreen7794 23 години тому +3

    I have heard that his mother didn't want him to fly, so he quit. After her death in 1994, John decided to take it up again.

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 21 годину тому +4

      In 1973, Alexander Onassis, son of Aristotle Onassis died in a controversial light plane crash at the age of 24. Ari was married to Jackie at the time and she saw how he was impacted by the death of his only son which led to his own death only 2 yrs later. So yes, out of respect for his mother, Jr. mostly complied with her desire that he not fly light planes. Looks like her concern was warranted.

  • @guygifford
    @guygifford 23 години тому +2

    PLEASE, Could you make Keith Green & Rich Mullins Debrief videos. 2 different crashes which took the lives of the musicians who gave us Christian music which are still beloved and played constantly today such as "Awesome God" and "Make My Life a Prayer to You", and many others for each of them.

  • @chopperskier
    @chopperskier День тому +8

    This happened about a week before my PPL checkride. We talked about it AD NAUSEUM, but was the most formative experience in my entire 25 year aviation career! Just foolishness- in Europe, their "Private" pilot's license is the equivalent of after we pass our instrument add-on here in the states. Just like our drivers, we pass out pilots licenses like giving away candy. PPL should include WAY more instrument training, if not the entire instrument add-on. We have way too many people with only a PPL mucking it up in the skies! As a Medevac pilot, I cannot tell you how many times I couldn't land because someone didn't know what they were doing and trying to land without obeying traffic rules, trying to land at us head on on the opposite runway, or flat out just not listening to the radio! We're always classy and talk it out on the ground in a calm manner, and the person usually realizes their mistakes. Luckily, we've never been in a "Critical" lifesaving situation when this occurs, but someday it will happen! Our PPL's are simply not skilled enough for anything other than a local day flight. Sorry if this offends some PPL's- go get your instrument rating! A good pilot never stops learning, and if you've only held a PPL, and have held it for years, then you aren't learning! Flying is a lifelong endeavor in learning- not a "I passed!" event!

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 20 годин тому

      can't regulate judgement

  • @christopherseivard8925
    @christopherseivard8925 19 годин тому +2

    Always a sad story. Odd memory, when John died, his bicycle was still locked to a pole at theParamount Building. I worked there for Entertainment Tonight. We watched the bike stripped bare, just sitting there chained to a pole.eventually someone figured it out , cut the lock and carried it away.

  • @JohnMack-f3f
    @JohnMack-f3f День тому +4

    I remember this. Bad weather and misdirection. 0:27

    • @scottmaz4063
      @scottmaz4063 19 годин тому

      No he wasn't rated for instruments. Sun went down he only flew in daylight.

    • @JohnMack-f3f
      @JohnMack-f3f 18 годин тому +2

      @@scottmaz4063 listen to the video. He routinely flew in the night.

  • @kgmail7364
    @kgmail7364 10 годин тому +2

    Macho John boy. His wife did NOT want to go…she knew better. The sister egged her on and volunteered to go with her. I can only imagine what that conversation was like during the plunge into the ocean.

  • @Eremon1
    @Eremon1 10 годин тому +2

    A perfect example of privilege getting in the way of responsibility.

  • @waynenocton
    @waynenocton 23 години тому +2

    I’ve crossed Lake Michigan several times when leaving the Oshkosh event, in the daytime with varying visibility but all during VFR weather and even with all that, it was impressive how quickly the horizon disappeared, I can imagine how quickly it would get bad at night and with haze.

  • @firemedicjm911
    @firemedicjm911 22 години тому +21

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    • @The_DuMont_Network
      @The_DuMont_Network 22 години тому +9

      Well, that makes at least two of us.

    • @timsun6810
      @timsun6810 20 годин тому +2

      dang i hate it when company's make creators time worth it.

    • @777wsu
      @777wsu 20 годин тому +1

      I am blocking all the adds but I do make an exception for very good creators such as pilot-debrief
      Still not buying anything :)

    • @shaylamariah
      @shaylamariah 19 годин тому +1

      These companies sponsor UA-camrs so they can have more time and incentives to make more content for us

    • @vetinaris1297
      @vetinaris1297 6 годин тому

      Is that why you donate to the channel or do you expect him to do this for free?

  • @WhoDeanyUnchained
    @WhoDeanyUnchained День тому +2

    Man I still remember this when it happened but never looked up the details. Very sad
    Thank you for sharing your research!

  • @stevekissel3822
    @stevekissel3822 День тому +6

    I'm not a pilot...can someone explain why pilots who get disoriented to the horizon can't correct by using the altimeter to verify wings level?...Best, Steve

    • @stedydubdetroit
      @stedydubdetroit День тому +1

      Because they can’t read the altimeter correctly. A person doesn’t have to understand the instruments to be able to fly. Makes absolutely NO SENSE.

    • @stevekissel3822
      @stevekissel3822 23 години тому +2

      @@stedydubdetroit That's crazy !! Don't mean to sound stupid but isn't that the most basic, important instrument?

    • @flyingheart2007
      @flyingheart2007 23 години тому +2

      A pilot can feel like they are flying straight but actually be turning. To maintain altitude, they have to pull up a bit on the yoke because lift is lost in a turn. Then they get too slow, and lower the nose, so the altitude drops. They get more disoriented and it all goes to crap. AOPA has a good video about it called 178 seconds to live.

    • @markmossinghoff8185
      @markmossinghoff8185 23 години тому +6

      The altimeter only gives the Altitude above sea level. It tells the pilot nothing about the attitude of the airplane. If you are 2000 feet MSL it will read 2000 feel no matter the position of the wings.

    • @livestock9722
      @livestock9722 23 години тому +6

      @@stedydubdetroit Most foolish answer ever. It's a hard concept to grasp unless you have actually flown or have become partially disorientated. Basically, inexperienced pilots become disorientated when the biological balance mechanism in the inner ear is giving false information to the brain, and in turn the brain reaction overrides what the instruments are telling the eyes. If you fly on a slight banked angle long enough, it truly FEELS like you are flying straight and level. The human body was never designed to fly, which is why we get exhaustive training to help fight our own erroneous urges.

  • @flybobbie1449
    @flybobbie1449 День тому +2

    Flying above an inversion easy when you look up and see a blue sky, sun or stars. Even a slight moon adds a glow to the haze tops and faint horizon. Falling darkness drops the visibility in the inversion to zero for the unwary. I remember showing a student a similar scenario not long after this accident in our local area as we flew through sunset on what originally was a perfect inversion day.

  • @tadams27
    @tadams27 День тому +11

    I am not a pilot, but I know aircraft have artificial horizons so you know up from down. If that tool exists, why don't pilots use the artificial horizon when they become disoriented?

    • @recoilrob324
      @recoilrob324 День тому +11

      Because the brain does weird things when under stress....and it wanting to rely on the inner ear can overwhelm the eyes telling it that the instrument says we're doing things that the inner ear disagrees with. That's the difficulty of flying IFR that you MUST rely on the instruments no matter what your body senses might be telling you. Some people can do this much better than others...and sadly the ones that find this difficult seem to also be the ones we see in these accident debriefs.

    • @bigwaidave4865
      @bigwaidave4865 День тому +7

      They do, but loss of situational awareness and spatial disorientation casues less experienced to not trust their instruments when their body is telling them one thing and instruments another.

    • @tadams27
      @tadams27 День тому +1

      Do you think more simulator time could train pilots to trust their instruments more?

    • @Sky_Pony_1_mic_sierra
      @Sky_Pony_1_mic_sierra День тому

      That's not a thing most GA pilots will have access to

    • @3866TIM
      @3866TIM День тому +3

      Being able to actually see the horizon makes its much easier for the pilot than looking at the artificial horizon. Flying on instruments requires a lot of practice vs. just looking at the horizon. If you switch from VFR to IFR suddenly and you aren't ready for it means there is a delay in handling the aircraft. In those few moments things can get out of hand quickly. Unfortunately this is a very common way to crash a plane.

  • @OffendingTheOffendable
    @OffendingTheOffendable 9 годин тому +2

    Wonder why he had to "take care of his marriage"😂😂😂 just kidding hes a Kennedy

  • @montylc2001
    @montylc2001 18 годин тому +9

    I still think Hillary had something to do with it.

  • @tsbrownie
    @tsbrownie 12 годин тому +1

    Observation from an old guy: If you are famous or an attractive woman, you can not get the level of training other people would nor the training you receive will be adequate.

  • @Pbadome1
    @Pbadome1 День тому +3

    After 25 years, I can finally explain what happened correctly. I have always explained the VFR rating in IFR conditions and the lack of checking for the weather in the morning but not before take off.
    Thanks to you, I can tell the whole story.
    I told the story as a student pilot with a VFR rating so I did have the basic knowledge, but apparently I was missing a few slices of the swiss cheese.
    Thanks for the summary.

    • @Tom-zs6bb
      @Tom-zs6bb 23 години тому

      There's a student VFR Rating?

    • @Pbadome1
      @Pbadome1 19 годин тому

      @@Tom-zs6bb feel free to make the correction@tom

    • @Tom-zs6bb
      @Tom-zs6bb 17 годин тому

      @@Pbadome1 Okay. There is no such rating.

    • @Pbadome1
      @Pbadome1 17 годин тому

      @@Tom-zs6bb Actually, I did afford you the opportunity to make the correction, I'll make it for you.
      "I told the story as a student pilot for a VFR rating, so I did have the basic knowledge."
      There, and thanks for playing.

    • @Tom-zs6bb
      @Tom-zs6bb 16 годин тому

      @@Pbadome1 There's also no such thing as a VFR rating.

  • @Starship007
    @Starship007 23 години тому +2

    He passed his instrument written, but what about the instrument check ride?

  • @delbertgrady413
    @delbertgrady413 22 години тому +7

    Spacial disorientation leads to pronounced confusion. The end result of this is panic. Panic overtakes everything and all rational thought is abandoned.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 19 годин тому +1

      But he also lacked the vital skills and experience to overcome that panic. Unfortunately, not a surprising outcome, but still very sad.

    • @delbertgrady413
      @delbertgrady413 15 годин тому

      @sarahalbers5555 Panic is something real which can overtake anyone.

  • @bestboy138
    @bestboy138 33 хвилини тому +1

    Can you imagine the stress of two women bitching at you the whole time you’re trying to fly a plane at night?
    Thanks for the story.
    I’ve been hoping for that one.
    Very cool.

  • @barbarachambers7974
    @barbarachambers7974 День тому +6

    I always wondered what you thought of this particular mishap. Thank you covering this.

  • @UncleDuncan5092
    @UncleDuncan5092 10 годин тому +1

    I remember seeing John-John Kennedy on the TV at his father’s funeral. He was just a little boy, the same age as I was. I felt bad for him because I loved my dad, and his was gone.
    I always thought he should have become a Navy Pilot.
    It 😮sounds like perhaps he lacked the discipline required to finish his training in a timely manner. Trying to juggle too much at once.

  • @2ndAmendment-Jeffrey
    @2ndAmendment-Jeffrey День тому +6

    I remember that his Uncle, being a US senator, was able to summon the US Navy to help find the plane.

    • @joefran619
      @joefran619 23 години тому +1

      Being famous as they were, every Tom, Dick, and Harry would be trying to locate the plane. It would have been a free for all.