History of WWI Primer 075: US Mosins, Dragoon, Carbine Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Q&A link: Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic.
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Additional reading:
3-ЛН ВИНТОВКА МОСИНА b
R.N. Chumak
Drei Linien Die Gewehre Mosin-Nagant, Band 1
Karl-Heinz Wrobel
Allied Rifle contracts in America
Luke Mercaldo
American-Made Mosin Nagant Rifles : World War I through Allied Intervention
Charles W. Clawson
Serbian Army Weapons of Victory 1914-1918 Vol 1
Branislav Stankovic and John P. Sheehan
Theme by Melissa Hyman of The Moon and You
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Soundtrack by Noyemi Karlaitė
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If anyone is interested in learning more about the extraordinarily grim events of the Russian Civil War, I would recommend "Russia" by Anthony Beevor, which is the most recent and best English book on the Civil War. The great tragedy of the 4 million odd Moisin Nagants ever made was most of them were used to kill other Russians. It's not an easy read but it explains a lot about why Russia is the way it is.
This was a great story from a book on Remington with respect to the Russian Mosin-Nagant production:
“In order to insure that his investment was protected the Tsar sent no fewer than 1500 inspectors to the Remington factories to verify that the 5000 Russian rifles that were coming off the assembly line met critical standards. The most irritating of these was a Cossack captain who became known as ‘Alexander the Great.’ His particular worry was that the rifles might fire accidently. He would take a gun off the assembly line, load and cock it and then bang the butt on the concrete floor with all his might. Of course the rifles were too well made to accidently discharge even when subjected to this kind of punishment, but as many as a dozen rifle stocks per day were cracked in this manner. Officials of the company could do nothing to stop this waste but the gunsmiths could. They filed down the locking mechanism on a particular rifle until the trigger literally hung by a hair of steel. They maneuvered this specimen into Alexander’s hands. When the Cossack slammed the butt into the floor, the rifle naturally went off, and the projectile pierced a four inch water pipe above Alexander’s head sending a steam of water under high pressure into his upturned face, knocking him flat on his back!”
amazing!
Love stories like these. XD
HAHAHAHAAAA!!! Waddaprick! How'd those bolshies work out for ya, Sasha??
Смешно читать версию от "Ремингтон", когда знаком с историей и оружием
Во-первых, русские заказали "ремингтону" не 5000, в 1915 году они заказали у него 1500000 по $30 и у "Вестингауз" ещё 1800000 по $25,75
Во-вторых, "Ремингтон" заказ провалил - за весь год он изготовил только 33000 винтовок, причем большинство деталей подгонялись под каждую винтовку отдельно, это никак не соответствовало русским стандартам
В-третьих, отмечалось низкое качество изготовления и отделки, при заряжании можно было прорезаться об острую грань ствольной коробки
В-четвертых, эти винтовки применялись в рукопашном бою, а значит должны были быть крепкими Но качество лож никуда не годилось, они ломались при простом падении на заводской пол
Русским пришлось уже принятые и доставленные в Россию винтовки снова разбраковывать и часть ремонтировать
За весь 1916 год "Ремингтон" изготовил только 100000 винтовок
И тогда русские прислали своих специалистов, которые буквально заставляли рабочих изготавливать качественную продукцию Это дало свой эффект: в 1917 году "Ремингтон" смог отправить в Россию около 700000 винтовок
Таким образом эта известная фирма за 3 года смогла выполнить контракт только на 55% с опозданием на 20 месяцев против установленных сроков
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@@firstoptimat at that point my Bubba and Jedo were on the way to America. In 1917 all of these firearms were probably used to overthrow the government!
I love to hear about the country where my great grandparents came from.
As soon as Mae said dino arsenal i pictured the opening like: "Hi, I'm Othais, and THIS... *grunts as he lifts an entire t-rex skull*"
Zach Chilton you speak the truth
I have a Mosin M44 carbine & it's definitely louder than my 91/30. The M44 is the loudest rifle on the range & usually there will be one guy who will wander down to my table & ask "Alright who has the cannon down here"?
Medmann48 So you’re that guy at the range. Lol
I am so jealous
Of Mae!! She gets to have all the fun!!!
Can confirm that it sounds like a canon, especially if you're at a covered range.
When I fire my mosin carbines...... Everyone wants to come down and see it. The girls all want to try it.
As well as being unreasonably more accurate than one should expect from a Mosin, my favorite thing about my Polish M44 is that the muzzle report is not far off of the light heat and noise thrown off by a 9banger DD "grenade".
"LoL, spikey polish boy go boom"
"They got the cool inspectors" That is my favorite Othias quote for this entire episode.
"conflicty"
"Mays Top Ten Rifles For Fighting Dinosaurs"
The T-Gewher has to be on that list
too slow to reload if one is coming for you...(it is fighting dinos not hunting dinos so missing is easy) i would choose at least something semi auto.
.577 Tyrannosaur, duh!
Mae size mosin, hmn.......
TheBradleyClarke itd be good for taking down something big from a reasonable distance, but I feel like the noise of it would alert too many predators.
Also, which dinosaur? You probably think T-rex for a T-Gewehr, but imagine the pack of raptors or a flock of pterodactyls. Herd of triceratops or Diplodocus. And plethora of others I cannot remember english names for
Cavalry was used heavily on the Eastern Front and the Russian Civil War. Big open spaces. There was never really a interconnecting network of trenches as we saw on the Western Front. Battles took place over key river crossings, lakes, railroad junctions, ect.
Would totally watch a show about firearms with Mae dressed like Dora and Othais in a dino costume :) probably would be the coolest show around for decades to come!
Another use of US Mosins was in the Pedersen Device tests. Apparently at least one of them was converted to use the Device and survived into the 1950s. It's unknown if it survives today, but if it does that would be a fascinating piece of history.
The fact that there might be a Pederson-Mosin existing somewhere in some US storage depot deep in Nevada makes me excited.
The Non-Springfield Pedersen Devices were what inspired Ian to make Forgotten Weapons back when it was just a website and not on UA-cam. He had heard about a set of Documents detailing how such devices would be made for Mosins, Lebels, and Enfields, but the last copy of said documents were lost in a fire. Ian decided that day that he would find all the documents of such rare weapons and archive them digitally, so that copies can be made and nothing of that importance would be lost ever again.
Wyatt Tyson And lo, on that hallowed day, the Almighty spoke to his son and sayeth “go forth and make the word of thine prophet John Moses Browning known across the lands, for his words are good in my sight.”
@@wyatttyson7737 Pedersen device Lebel? OwO
@@NarcassiticGamer that is FUCKING AWESOME. A Pederson MOSIN NAGANT!!!!
I swear I could just watch Othaias trying to curb Mae's enthusiasm and fun for hours and be entertained. I look forward to being able to support you on Patreon. Your show is amazing, I learn a lot and I'm barely breathing with all the laughs I got from "DinoTales" ...
Thats really cool that an M38 sparked all of this because I bought an M38, and wanted to know more about the mosin history, and that lead me to this channel. I love the M38! Such an awesome handy gun.
I am totally okay with a small series about Mae's top rifles to take into combat with dinosaurs.
T-Gewehr, Wall Gun...I can't wait.
Please make Dino&Rsenal a thing.
Could we also get a Drag&Rsenal. I want to see Mae's top 10 for fighting dragons.
Yes that’d be awesome
Would watch!
It would start all ooohs and ahhhh, and end up screams and panic running about...... always does.
I'd give 10/10 would watch again.
The aesthetics of the magazine/triggerguard is the one thing I like about the moist nugget, it's just pleasing to the eye. Shooting a Mosin in an Archangel stock feels silly.
Fastest time to War Were Declared (3:28)
What a time to be alive.
It's like they thought: "Last time we tried to come up with a new rifle it almost killed us. Lets just stick with this."
I'm gonna encourage her, you're not gonna stop me.
Over two videos you have spent almost the entire running time of 'There Will be Blood' talking about the Mosin Nagant, I'm proud of ya.
Love the show, but I'm sad to say my family never had any milsurp rifles so my first wasn't a Mosin. It was a Type 38. So after watching The Arisaka episodes and the Mosin episodes I'm just full of pride now lol. Thanks for the content! It's gonna be a long 4 weeks.
Oh god....I....I....I did it finally. I've watched all of your primer episodes from start to finish in the last three weeks.....ughhhhhh so good
Nice. There is a recap shooting video now.
my 91/30 started my obsession with milsurps as well. it will always be a special rifle to me
I have a Finnish M39 with a Remington receiver, Westinghouse bolt, Chattelruat magazine and as much as I'd like an unmolested American made Mosin I have to say this M39 is still pretty cool!
C&Rsenal Your remark that your first gun that you shot and still owned was a Mosin carbine hit a sweet spot with me. The first gun that I shot and owned was a M44 Mosin, that I bought at Big 5 for $80 when I was a teenager, and would get me involve in gun ownership, I still own it, will never sell it, means that much to me of all my guns in my collection now. Thank you for that Othais.
Doom that’s cool man, yea I was around 16 as well, I got lucky, mine is all matching with a nice glossy finish.
I was in my 30s when big 5 got me hooked. Always had modern guns but when they started selling real ww2 guns at 79.99 I bought one out of curiosity. Loved the history aspect. Kind of like a dealer selling his first hit for cheep. Damn big 5. They got me addicted. Not my fault.
Heh, my M1944 was far from my first gun, but I'm pretty sure it _was_ the first WWII surplus rifle I bought with my own dollars. Largely because the guy only wanted 75 of them for it. :)
Yes. Dinothais?
Lucas Hagg othaiasairous?
Maeosaurus and dinothais
Dinotopia.
Watching Othais lose his shit explaining the Remington vs. Russian Inspectors is quite hilarious.
I think this is the earliest I've ever been. Also have a fondness for the Mosin, as it's one of the only one of these old guns I actually own :D
Edit: I love Mae's love of dinosaurs. Might I suggest C&Saurus
Brett DuVale C&Saurus +1
C&Roarsenal!
There's more than one type of Dinosaur, we got big Dinosaurs, we got little Dinosaurs, we even got Dinosaurs with plate armor! I forsee many, many, episodes of May's Great Dino Hunt. Ohh! We could do episodes where we focus on WWI or WWII weapons to fight Dinosaurs! I LIKE THIS CONCEPT!
Jason Gregory A Russian Maxim with lots and lots of belts ,mostly with explosive bullets mixed with armour piercing. After all,there is going to be a mass extinction event. Why not thin out the numbers so the meteorite does not have all the fun.
Those carbines are such jewels. I had the pleasure of handling one from a local collector. So jelly.
The mosin would probably be a good rifle for your mid size Dinos. Stegosaurus, triceratops, iguanadon, is be pretty confident with mine. Anything larger or more heavily armored like an ankylosaur I’d want something way bigger.... maybe something like a Boys anti tank gun?
Mae is a National Treasure.
Yes, indeed!:)
A good lady and a beautiful national treasure. Thanks for being mae.
Yes she is simply beautiful
The only thing on set thats more rare than that 1907 ...is/are ladies like Mae=-]
From what I remember, one can actually BECOME a Cossack. It was a lifestyle (and hat, of course) requirement.
Collector friend got a Cossack sword - in the scabbard - the scabbard had a 'clip holder' (not a traditional scabbard) for a bayonet....the bayonet was present, BTW...
Yep I got one of those cossack swords too.. Got the bayo as well unfortunately my mosin is a 91-30 I believe.
You have a Russian dragoon saber. Only she had a bayonet clip. Cossack rifle without bayonet. And she shot without a bayonet, so on the breech of the barrel there was an inscription КАЗ.
@@user-rd7xs2xx7m Thank you!!!
For whatever reason every time i see a bit of tugging or struggling happening when feeding a mosin i burst out into laughter. Its just the nature of the beast but its almost like when someone asks a programmer if something was a bug or a feature and the only answer is "yes".
If I had a dollar for every time I had watched the C&R Mosin videos ...... I would have enough to buy one. This video has triggered the beginning of a collecting bug - good times.
If buying occurred outside of story.
I've owned 2 Mosins in the past. One was marked as having been made in 1941. The other had the octagon reciever and was made in 1913. And that model had a shorter barrel . It was also fitted with some mounting incursions that specified it was capable of being a sniper's rifle. I just know that it was really accurate.
Did not expect to hear about my hometown while watching a Mosin video.
Nothing like watching Mae fire old guns!
Shot several Mosin carbines (1910, 1938, 1944) the Vietnamese nicked named them "Red butt specials) due to recoil, watching Mae, shes a champ still smiling after it all
Great job May. Why is it that you are the only one that gets to have fun on this channel?
There was one other use of the American Mosin. They were issued to the United States Guards, which were Federal soldiers unfit for service overseas used to protect critical sites (shipyards and the like).
Mae should read “Destroyermen.” Dinosaur hunting with ‘03 Springfields and Krags.
100K subscribers! Congratulations guys, keep up the good work. I've watched every episode.
the thing about rimmed cartridge is that it is easier to produce these on a older machinery.
and, btw, each time (2 in particular) then we tried to get rid of this rimmed case, we got a shake-up, so we're really do not want to do it third time, tbh.
The level of detail here is fabulous: Well Done Othias, peerless.
So many long years of half-answers and wondering...I finally learned what a Dragoon was! Hell yeah. Another awesome episode, thank you. Also dinos
To me the Mosin Nagant rifle is the contemporary of the US Krag-Jorgenson, which seemed to be in constant upgrade and was officially replaced after shortly more than a decade. To put it another way, can you imagine the US still using Krags in WWII? The only thing the Mosin has over the Krag is stripper clip loading.
The krag was an excellent rifle on its own merits - something like the Mosin would NEVER be adopted by the US military due to their particular high standards.
You know I've been watching this show a long time now. I got to say May is one hell of a shot I know people that can't do that consistently on a bench! I wish you guys keep up the good work
What a great show/series/channel... Love it.
IF Mae ever feels she needs a spin off show, she should go with "My little Gunnies - Boomsticks are magic" ;)
Commander: go fight with a mosin in trench warfare
Me: you first
It's 12:00am and it's time for bedtime stories. :D also that new music, noice!
I love knowing the fact that each year we get closer to DinoTales!
Gratz on 100k.
Whomever decided on the thematic music over the pictures/period video is awesome, and needs a promotion. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Suzie.
Nice video for sure. I look forward to the day when C&Rsenal gives us the next chapters in the story of the Mosin and other weapons that went beyond 1918. How and why the Soviets did what they did to Mosins is a story I would like to hear your spin on. Here is to another good year for C&Rsenal.
0:50 Hey that Mosin is missing it's trigger and new gun showcase music.
+LOUDcarBOMB
Ow Jeez, I think Mae made a woopsie with the magnetic lasso tool.
"...and then she learnt what grant-writing was and that was no longer a dream." Spot-fuggin'-on!
I'd love to see a "Mae's top 10 rifles for shooting dinosaurs" series. That'd be great!
Yeah it's a great rifle. I don't yet have a 1907 carbine but I will continue the hunt. Also dinosaur sidebar is awesome!
I could not even imagine how awful clearing a trench or house with one of the WW1 full size rifles, especially with the bayonet attached.
As well, a small number of US mosins (as well as Russian) ended up in the hands of the Japanese. They were used along side Type 38 & Type 99 training rifles in Universities and Schools. Generally with a specially made trigger guards that turned it into a single shot rifle.
Othias in a trex costume walk fireing a bar yesssssss (blanks for safety)
How about Mae in a hydrosaur costume firing a villa-parosa.
Mae is always smiling while shooting this despite the fact I know both of you think it is not that great of a rifle as far as quality and accuracy and feeding and shooting (well you get the point) goes
Found myself going back and re-watching a lot of these since I recently inherited a few applicable rifles. In this case, I now have a Westinghouse 1915t, though somebody swapped the stock out at some point to effectively sporterize it.
Mae's favorite gun to fight dinosaurs with.... the T-Rex-Gewehr.
I enjoy the history and commentary. Thanks for you videos
My favorite Mark's are notches in the stock from kills. My m44 had 2 obviously from a spike bayonet.
Everything about russian history beyond middle-school textbooks sounds hilarious in some dark twisted way
Man that carbine sure does breathe fire doesn't it...
The first gun I bought after I turned 18 was a 91/30 Tula Arsenal Hex Reciever rifle... It wasn't the first gun I ever fired though so even though it was special in some ways that didn't stop me from selling it when I fell on some hard times. I know I'm probably never gonna find another one like it though at the price I originally bought it at, that's for damn sure.
For a second when Othis "Horror Show." I thought he said "Horse ###t."
"Dino-senal the Dinosaur hunting arsenal."
I think Nagant was using the old Russian engineering standby; Vodka, lots and lots of Vodka.
The world needs more women like Mae
Stellar video guys!
I still think how wild it would be to have US Infantry armed with both Mosins and Lugers. It very nearly happened!
Being from Bridgeport I'm always fascinated to hear what went on in the "Old Remington Factory"
Dino arsenal would be a cool episode.
I have a 91/30 and a Carbine... Love the Carbine... Packs a punch and very accurate.
Hi guys, I wish I was half as good as marksman as the miss shooting. Awesome work keep 'em commin', cheers yall!
Don't forget about the Austro-Hungarian squeeze bore Mosins (which really tells you they did have some strength since they weren't blowing up left and right).
What?! Where can I read about those
I bought a m44 from big 5 and it had 2 notchs in the stock behind where your little finger on your right hand (if your right handed) would be from the tip of a spike bayonet.
Wow I finally caught up to the WW1 series ya!!!
I have to say, I loved the sound of that carbine/dragoon/ slightly shorter Mosin
C&Rsaurnel. "But then the asteroid were declared" Cue vintage film of dinosaurs running from a falling rock.
Stop motion film of plastic dinosaurs fleeing from a flaming bolt handle, a 30 second film it'll take them 2 days to make, and only 1/4 of the comments will make an echo of
I really enjoy variant episodes 😀 I need to see the Dino fighting episode NOW DEW IT!!!
1907 carbine rare as hell .👀
A Finnish issued 1907 is rare as hen’s teeth but they do exist and there are many fakes floating around.
@@mazkact I saw a pair of them from the guy I acquired a M44 from. Big money
really enjoying this series and particularly like the vintage music accompanying the shooting segments. one question for Mae: sometimes you keep the weapon at the shoulder when cycling the action, but usually you don't. why is this?
Noooooo such a missed opportunity to have Mae wear a bearskin hat.
Yeaye Dino Mae!!! Wanna see!
P.S. Спасибо for great video about mosins!
I noticed Mae had all Alpha hits on the carbine string! Well Done!
Othais quite rightly brings up the subject of Imperial Russian officials incompetence. I have also read Elmer Keith's autobiography, "Hell I Was There". The stories he relates when he was an inspector during the Second World War,are tales of spectacular incompetence in supplying a percentage of known defective firearms. The Vietnam era term, REMF, is simply a part of human nature.,like it or not. I do not have words to describe people willing to supply known defective items to the men who are to be in combat. While they remain perfectly safe.
paul manson Would you rather issue somebody a defective rifle to use in combat, or send them charging rifles and machine guns with their bare hands?
You take what you can get, even if it's defective.
Aidan Templeton Read Keith's book. Do not comment without knowledge. Unless you enjoy being called a jackass,read the book first.
"Made in Oooh Ehsss Aaaahhhh", Ophias 2018
I WANT MAE'S DINOSAIR SHOW DAMMIT!!
My first rifle was a mosin as well, got it when I was 14 on Christmas, boy was I giddy that day.
Holy shit that carbine looks bloody amazing 0_0
Never stop Mae. Ever.
Yes, this Mosin is handy. Yes Mae, Dino Arsenal.
Can you do a couple episodes on Finnish mosin nagants when you start getting into WWII?
My wife wants to go shooting with Mae. She likes that Mae can handle firearms with real recoil.
Maybe the Russian Inspectors were smarter than people think, as long as they were in the U.S. inspecting rifles they weren’t in Russia risking being sent somewhere they might be shot at.
YES for Mae's DinoTails!
D&Rsenal side channel? Count me in!
P.S. should we tell Mae about the game Dino D-Day?