History of WWI Primer 078: German Mauser 71/84 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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1886 Germany: Hey France, look at what we have! A repeating rifle! What are you gonna do now?
1886 France: Hon hon hon...
And we all know how that ended up.
The 71/84 actually also had an obscure second life in Canada as the only Mauser rifle ever adopted by a branch of the Canadian armed forces.
At the outbreak of WWI, the Quebec City home guard purchased 300 surplus 71/84s from Bannerman’s, and converted them back into single shot rifles for home guard duty. Curiously they also bought Vetterli 1871 sword bayonets from Bannerman’s to be issued alongside the rifles.
Lucked out and snatched up a complete example for my personal collection, its one of the more bizarre pieces of WW1 history i’ve encountered.
From what I understand they were modified to single shot once they were surplused to the cadets. Mine is still a repeater and the only thing that was modified was a sling swivel was added to the rear.
"if you're disappointed by that, I don't think you should be watching this channel. Go. Away" ...oh, the bliss.
I mean I wanna see a chainsaw cannon but another old rifle will do I guess...
Paul Mauser looks like Johnny Depp change my mind.
Othais letting his populist streak get the better of him there!
Othias’ historical banter is absolute gold on this episode!
As he always is.... interesting teacher!
I feel like the 71/84 was very much a "make haste slowly" kind of rifle.
The conversation at 49:00 is why we have the modern terms "infantry-proof" and "grunt-proof". It's also why infantry units have always been the ones tasked with testing a new service rifle: if it can be broken, damaged, or otherwise made unusable, you can ALWAYS trust the infantry to find a way.
The all Mauser channel? I remember when it was the all 32 pocket pistol channel. Personally it's all good
I miss the days of nothing but .32s
wof_hornet I think Othais has a bunch lined up in reserve
Lol I remember those days
32 pocket - the REAL representative weapon of WWI!
This is the all awesome channel.
Loved the comparative animation with the single loading and the magazine fire AND the very kind mention... You can really feel the anticipation of the upcoming episodes.... I sense a fantastic home stretch, here. Hurry, Hard!...
I cannot fully express my gratitude over typing for what your channel does. This is better then any cable programing that i thumb through today. My dad and i bond over your videos that is priceless thank you for what you do.
I am glad to hear we are part of family time!
Me, a philistine, before watching the video: "oh cool, a mauser"
Me, enlightened, ascended, on a whole new level of existence, after watching the video: "that mauser was cool"
Ily
That Hochkiss Heavy Machine gun look awesome.
PHRASING
The Mauser brothers were absolute geniuses and master’s at their craft. Just looking at how the ejector multitasks so smoothly and simply is awesome.
There are plans for a "Small Arms of Star Wars Primer"?
I'd LOVE that.
I can't wait to see Othais do the Hussite wars.
"And these would have all been melted down for church bells were it not for the fact that in 1427, Crusade Were Declared."
Why let a few melted down armaments get in the way of a good crusade?
This lightsabre was designed around forty six AA batteries thought sufficient until......"War Were Declared!"
When the Republic was unable to meet the demands of Khyber crystals they contracted out to numerous companies under the Industrial Automaton. And this....*ufffff* is the IA Model 22BBYA1
Excellent rifle. I use one for sport shooting. Accuracy improves with good ammo. Takes some effort to find the proper bullet, powder, grease etc. but it's worth it .
One remark about the Jaegerbuchse 71/84 and its sights. In early 1886 there was a troop test with two different sights in 4 Jaeger and 5 regular infantry batallions. The Jaegers agreed with the Infantry about the ladder back sight. For the fixed/flip backsight the Jaegers prefered 200/300m, the Infantry wanted 270/350m. The result was that the Jaegers got their way and the 200/300 Jaeger backsight was introduced into production for all rifles. (vergl. Goetz: Deutsche Militaergewehre und Maschinenpistolen, Stuttgart 1982) But this was the last time, the jaegers got their way in rifle development.
I've said it once I'll say it again THANK YOU for all the time, and effort you guys put in these videos!!!!!
Kudos for the 'Wax Off' - love to get a random smile on my face in these awesomely detailed episodes!
The music while you talk is a really professional touch. Well done!
I've been watching your episodes in a sort of mish mash order, following the playlists and or the progression of guns / actions, since I found this channel only quite recently. The production quality has risen dramatically from the earlier episodes. I'm not sure if this is the first episode with the music in the background also when you're talking, but that adds a sense of polish as well and I like it. I have to say that Othais, you look a lot better as well overall and the new glasses are much better too. ;) Mae looks as good as ever... Thank you for a great series, this is probably my all time favorite channel!
Good enough is the enemy of Great. We actually have edits, equipment, staging, lighting, etc planned out well beyond financial means at the present moment. So basically every Patron dollar unlocks more for the show.
C&Rsenal Can't wait to see what's coming! I'm happily pledged on Patreon. :)
I sometimes go back to this episode just because I love the sound that the Kropatschek magazine makes ^^'
RE: Animations. If the animator could make a spring under compression the color red then green when no compression then we could see how the springs are being utilized. Just a suggestion.
that's a nice idea
That is a good idea, I don't know off the top of my head how I would make that happen technically, but you've piqued my interest.
I noticed some background music outside of the normal music placements. I'd personally say to drop it because its a little distracting from the talking and dropping it would take one layer off of the production needed to get a new video out. But that is just my humble viewer's opinion, i can live with it either way.
Yes, definitely lose that distracting music.
I agree its very annoying. Love the channel though.
Just a +1 to this. I'm a huge music fan and the music is nice and all but it made the video borderline unwatchable for me. I'm at 7:40 and I've already paused it 4 times like "what is that music, is that the video?", gone to get my headphones to confirm, checked an old video to see if I somehow just missed it in the past, and come down here to comment and thumb up anyone else who mentioned it.
Othais, your voice has sufficient presence that it does not require padding.
Yep, sorry guys, the music sucks.
I've watched all these videos and must agree. The background music sucks. It is both annoying and distracting.
Thank you for making this! There wasn't a lot of videos on the rifle so it's nice to finally learn about it
Today i bought a 71/84 at the Novi Gun Show!
Shes a beautiful piece, she was a police service rifle in Siam, and wound up in the Springfield Stockpile before they went defunct
She needs a new magazine, but besides that and a damaged front half of the stock, shes absolutely beautiful
I adore her
And im terrified of the cost of ammo, my best option here in van buren county where i live is 100 DOLLARS
I will happily watch the all-Mauser channel.
Othais you big tease, don’t act like we don’t see that Hotchkiss in the background.
Josh Callejas did you forget when he put his hands on it and openly acknowledged its presence?
EXACTLY!!!! What a tease.
The CORRECT way to acknowledge the presence of a Hotchkiss machine gun is to call in artillery at its position.
Episode 78
Episode 95: Hotchkiss...
And we're still waiting for that Browning 1917 they hinted at in Episode 73 XD
I believe you have some of the finest firearm content currently available on the web and as someone who's attended uncountable engineering lectures, your material is terrific. Sign me up to Patreon. However, for me, mixing background music with the lecture is a distraction not an enhancement. Thanks for all the work and effort you put into your channel.
A real sense of melancholia and nostalgia in this video. Great episode guys!
Small quibble: The German currency was the Reichsmark=RM until 1949. DM= Deutsche Mark is a post-WW2 thing. Even used adapted USD dies for printing the first bills.
It’s interesting hearing it’s bowel movements when you turn down the bolt
Keep it up man, these are great
I can only imagine how much longer this is going to last.
I was waiting for this episode! Thanks guys! Glad it's finaly here!
I know I'm a bit late to the party but I was really disappointed to see that you didn't mention my rifle that I've been looking for information on for years. It's an I.G. 71/84 "short" according to the closest thing I have to an antique firearms expert. It's not sporterized, but it has an oddly shaped bolt that tilts downward, has a short barrel (~22 inches) and, I believe because I don't have ammo to load, a magazine that doesn't appear to hold the full 8 rounds. The stock ends just after the rear sight which is original and it appears that the upper strap loop was at one time affixed to the upper end of the magazine. The gun also lacks any kind of place to attach a push or cleaning rod. I've only seen two pictures of a gun just like it, one on a firearms auction site advertising it as only a 43 Mauser 71/84, and the other was in a German museum, also described as a "short" version of the 71/84.
I've been drawing blanks on all my attempts to find out more information. I emailed the Mauser company itself and posted on several antique firearms forums and Facebook groups to no avail. I would be glad to provide you with pictures or even, if you wanted to feature it in a video, work out the logistics of shipping it to you.
MustaEyolfPedes that sounds like a Calvary carbine variant, but Germany never made any Calvary carbine variants of the 71/84. The closest thing I’ve found is reference to Ottoman Calvary carbine variants of the 1887 (the improved export version).
EDIT: The Ottoman 1887 video made reference to a carbine of unknown origin around the 41-42 min mark (however the most likely user is Bulgaria). The drawings match this image of one for auction www.gunsamerica.com/937134035/Mauser-I-G-Mod-71-84-10-95mm.htm
Love the sound of that big black powder round going off.
Great video, as always!
Thanks for sharing!
Great work guys! Thank you for yet another awesome episode.
The same things happemed to Germany when they had just brought out a quite useabke Krupp breech-loader wit fixed recoil, and right after that the French came out with the 75 with pneumatic recoil.
First two minutes and I’m already entertained!!!! Please do the Springfield trapdoor it’s one of my favorites!
"i dont think you should be watching this channel, go away"
I tip my hat good sir
bravissimo
My heart skipped a beat before Othais even said anything, my lord.
Othias I have a 1871/84 mauser rifle I really like it very much. I can not wait to try it out.patrick
The highest quality show as always.
So great channel. I have a carbine one. It’s a single shot only but has the divot for the magazine cutoff. I assume it was “sporterised “ for hunting sometime after its service.
Bubba just can't stop ruining history.
Great rifle! I have nearly a 3-4" POI shift to the right after 2 rounds due to the barrel issue, but its still a tight group. At 300 yards, i have to aim a whole 24 inches off to hit, but its still not an issue if you understand your rifle
It's a problem when spicy metal is coming your direction as well.
Dang. That was one sexy tease at the end. An MG 08 looks good.
I'd not considered May's solution of slinging in another single round when going to magazine. Genius!
We also want to know, would you feel comfortable clubbing your field lunch with this rifle?
(Speaking as a former soldier who bayoneted field served jello because it was self motile on the plate.)
EYYYY Just in time for my breakfast. Hello Othais and Mae!
oh, you massive massive tease in the update
tease
also, super excited
That's just cruel.
Well this explains why the cutoff lever on the sadly rough condition example I have access to is broken. One day I'll get it up and running again, the bore is still in great shape, so it should make a good shooter. Just needs a stock, barrel band spring and screw, repaired or replaced cutoff lever (actually do have both of the pieces of it and it's a pretty clean break), and a new mag tube. The trick is finding the parts that are missing/beyond repair. Good to know the trick with the cutoff lever though, I had no way to figure out how to get the bolt out until I got the action out of the stock (I also got my first look at how much rust I'd have to clean off and stabilize at the same time, that was 'fun').
I like the new slow mo angle of the shell being ejected
"You would not want us to damage something." God no. Those antique guns are to be preserved. "Or ourselves." Oh yes, that too. But do not damage the guns! :D
Super animation!!!!!!! I love C&Rsenal!!!😘😁
As always, just a fantastic job!
One thing I noticed that wasn’t in this episode is the fact that a small hand full of Mauser 71/84s were fixed up and issued to the Volkssturm in 1945 and would see some action in the defense of Berlin.
There are plans for a "Small Arms of WWII Primer"?
one war at war at time
Othais said that after WW 1, sticking with one conflict is probably not going to happen, as it can get quite restrictive in putting episodes out. Trying to get hold of rare guns, or the history and data on them to complete 'sets' can delay and frustrate things. Plus they want to be able to jump around and show us cool things.
Othias has said getting the rights to publish WWII-era photos and film is complicated and expensive, but they're working on it.
I'd much prefer that they stick to WW1 until they've covered it in its entirety. Everyone already knows everything about guns like the M1 Garand, M1A1 Thompson, M1 carbine, PPSh, Gewehr 43, 91/30 Mosin, MP40, Sten gun, etc. I mean, this isn't Forgotten Weapons, but I still find it a lot more interesting to see all these weird hybrids and conversions, plus the advent of the self-loader and machine gun, all new things at the time of the war, and how even the oldest of the old and obsolete still made it into the trenches.
My thoughts exactly, except I consider Both world war part of one larger conflict, kind of like how the napoleonic wars were separate but considered the same. So in my case Bring on both wars and the interwar period.
Thank you Gang another great episode I did miss the old animation music but then I'm a sucker for the cello anyway thank you once again and good evening from Tasmania
A MAGAZINE RIFLE!? How positively BARBARIC a concept! Magazines are for ships!
Hi Otias, and Mae. You guys have covered the first 3 Mauser rifles which I commend you for, will you next cover the first smokeless powder Mauser known as the 1891. I know that it was originally Belgian-made but was commercially successful as an export to countries in South America, and used a 7.65 mm cartridge that was similar to the later 7.62 NATO. Most importantly, it would be the rifle that first used Mauser stripper clips in a 5 round integral box magazine. Keep up the good work.
Ah, finally. A slew of mauser videos to feed my addiction
Love it,Like that you are Putting the same Typed to Great War. Thank you. Love that French Machine gun (I think in Back ground)
49:44 Othias is a sexy beast and all, but the picture of him in yoga class is not one I want in my head 😀. I have 40 rounds of ammo for mine, but need to fix an extraction issue before shooting it.
Quote of the day “kinesthetically pleasing.” Thanks Othias.
My favorite part of this series is becoming the silly cut at the end of the "War were declared" Montage.
A small nitpick, DM is short for Dutche Mark (german mark) that is the currency of postwar west Germany and the unified Germany until the introduction of the Euro. The currency of the german empire were just called Mark, and was abbreviated (fancy)M.
While we're nitpicking they were Deutsche marks not Dutche Marks in West Germany. Good catch though.
Technically the preWW2 currency was a mix of Reichsmark and Rentenmark - both abbreviated as RM…
These rifles was delivered with white receivers. Blue receivers are historical incorrect.
Othias the only problem is the 11mm ammo is expensive to buy .as you should know. That is the only drawback of shooting blackpowder ammo and rifle.
Yes! All Mauser channel!
The black powder smoke issue might be a bit exaggerated. Black powder smoke gives away the position of the shooter. but I do not think that constant fire always means bad visibility and obscured targets. I frequently shoot black powder rifles, often with several other shooters at 50 or 100m ranges. . Here in Germany we mostly have ranges with walls around. Even under these conditions and with several shooters keeping up a constant rifle fire for an hour or two, smoke and visibility are hardly an issue. Only when it is cold and wet without any wind or under foggy conditions the targets are sometimes obscured by smoke. Battlefields hsually have no protective walls, that inhibit wind from dispersing the smoke.
When the 71 Cartrige was developped, there was a significant improvement in powder production. Curtis and Harvey produced an excellent powder. Rottweil too and the Metz Powder mostly used for the 71 was much more constant in grain size and gas pressure than the previous prussian powder.. Residue was reduced, in all of these powders, which also meant less sparks and smoke.
Now, gather 1500 friends, and fire as fast as you can.
Hi Randy, If I place my 1500 "friends" in tightly packed rows, they should create quite an impressive fog.
But this would not have been the tactical deployment of Infantery after the 71/84 was issued. Moltke, ad drawn his conclusions frion some terrible infantry losses in the 70/71 war. The Infanteriereglement of 1888 introduced the "Schützenschwarm" , which meant Infantry acting in platoon sized groups, led by corporals who were trained and encouraged to act according to the tactical situation. Moltke had seen that the days when generals could control the battle from an observation point were over and that no battle plan lasted longer than the first minutes of the engagement. So he developped the "Auftragstaktik", The generals defined the ams and gave the lower ranks tactical independence He encouraged the infantry to disperse over a much wide area and to use natural cover for attack and defence.
The days of close formation defence were definitely over when the 71/84 arrived.
If I had to deploy the 1500 "friends" you mentioned, according to the infantry reglement of 1888, the front would be quite wide. No need to worry that much about smoke,.
Guns before sleep!!!
Matthew Shermer lol one of the benefits of living a nocturnal life: I don't have to choose.
elitebuster2012 normally I'm working second shift but this time I have to work half of a first shift tomorrow to for a total of 12 hours so this is the one time that it's a tough one to stay awake for lol
Bobby Bass because having money is nice, and not having money is far less nice
I know your Momma and Papa told you that money doesn't grow on trees... Sorry too break it to ya, but they were lying...
Bobby Bass I wish...but even then, I don't have room for a tree in my yard
Forgotten Weapons has a video of the 71 with a box magazine, an interesting contrast
My god that Hotchkiss tease.
I'm exactly 36 seconds in. And the first thing that goes through my mind is: Dude, is that a machinegun in the corner...?
Wow that machine gun is really wet. Is that normal? Or is it just the age of the machine gun that's causing all those water leaks?
Something that is very curious about your black powder 71/84 cartridges is I purchased a 71/84 about 40 years ago and with it came two boxes of unopened ammunition loaded in 1887 which was 40 rounds in total not only did every single round go off and function flawlessly in the rifle but there was very very little smoke, I was very curious about this so I disassembled one of the cartridges and between the bullet and the black powder was a small disk of paper about a milimeter thick which I think was nitrated paper the function of which I think was similar to the flash suppressor packet which went between the powder charge and the projectile of 155 mm Howitzer to minimize smoke and Flash.
were these paper patched original military cartridges? We nowadays know that the paper disc is neccessary to separate the powder from the lead bullet.in order to prevent damage to the base. Original 71/84 military ammo usually had a wax disc between two paper discs. The thick paper disc prevented the wax from sticking to the bullet base.
Stephan Bläsner to to be absolutely honest I'm not sure it was so long ago in hindsight I should have tried to ignite the little paper disc on its own to see what happened with the ammunition was so difficult to get it that time I felt like I was wasting one of the cartridges so I reassembled it and fired it when mae fired hers I was amazed how much smoke when was generated when I fired mine there wasn't a quarter that much smoke but I do know that all the ammunition was manufactured in 1887 and came and chipboard boxes of 20 rounds each with chipboard separators between each cartridge the packages were gray and had a white paper band around the center to secure the boxes closed
20 is the right number. They came in boxes of ten or twenty. Most of the original boxes were blue, though the Karlsruhe armoury turned out white boxes.. Separator as you discribed. Only the paper band is ununsual, I'm not sure about the nitrated paper. Flash is definitely no problem with this rifle. .
According to my experience he amount of smoke when firing black powder depends a lot on temerature and humidity. Under cold and wet climate it is sometimes difficult to see the target after just a few shots. When it is warm and dry, there is much less smoke.
Does anyone know if there exist a similar youtube series to this, with the same high quality as this, but for WW2 small arms? Would love to watch something like that!
Instead of moving the bolt empty forward, after moving the lever from single shot to magazin, you could drop one more cartridge in before moving the bolt forward.
Belgian 1889 next please :)! I love my Belgian Mauser carbine, I have a 1889/16 carbine, wasn't updated to the 1889/36 standard
15:10: ballistic scrabble. I can imagine Ohias and Mae playing that.
Good video
The black powder could come in handy in a retreat situation, as it acts as it's own ninja smoke screen.
that mg08 is leaking but i suppose it is a massive feat just to have it there
ok, the music in the background is distracting... have you always had background music in the "closer look" segment?
All Mauser Channel sounds good to me!
bought mine 9 years and I broke my selector switch too. Mine is,,,,was all matching numbers. Still shoots great though.
Holy shit this was 5 years ago? Wow life really does go by fast.
I’m thinking the same thing. I just bought a 71/84, and came back to this.
Watching at 1:23 am! It is sunday morning though.
Great show! The background music is not necessary.
I find the music highly distracting. Keep hearing notes on the ragged edge of my hearing which keeps throwing my focus off, my brain keeps bouncing back and forth. Again, very distracting.
Yeah, I didn't like the music either, it didn't sound like it goes with the show, I would rather just have Othais talking. I do love the old music that's played with the animations tho, but not this episode's animation music.
I go to sleep with his soothing voice drifting into obscurities of 19th century powder composition.
To clarify my above comment, the music during the animations and Mae's shooting is fine. It's the low volume music during Othais taking parts that I find distracting.
I agree
What it that one gun behind Mae that looks like it has two front sight hoods one in front of the other?
If Othias had written my European history text book, I might have had a better grade.
Damn I like your channel!!!
When are you doing another run of T-shirts?
July
Great! I will be getting one or maybe more.
I have a question. So when you disengage the magazine disconnect, you need to cycle again so that the elevator drops. Is there doctrine for or against disengaging the disconnect, loading a single round then continuing on to the magazine? I am imagining a couple seconds saving of the extra bolt work but maybe there's a safety or mechanical limitation?
20:26
wait a minute......why Gew 71/84 doesn't suffer from "sticky bolt"?
Heat treatment matters!
Interesting background music during both Othias' and Mae's commentaries. Odd that it comes and goes with no apparent pattern. Is that new or have I just not noticed it before?
It should be by topic but we are still adapting. New skill, new testing
I pref the randomness. Maybe try some death metal.
I would like to hear more about gas control. My 71/84 vented in my face when the rim separated from the case . 1/2 my face was peppered with powder, with some blood and burns, and powder tattooed in my skin. At least I had safety glasses on. The action survived, but the wood split on the right side of the action. The bolt was not matching numbers to the receiver.
1:20 Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Task saturation is a serious concern for soldiers in battle. The more you have to keep track of, the less focused you'll be.
I cite US War of Succession anecdotes about nervous men double and triple loading muskets.
Never too many Mausers.
DM is for the post-WW2 (1948 onwards) Mark, before then it was Reichsmark or RM.
"Imagine if smokeless powder wasn't discovered for another 10-20 years?"
I mean... we all know the Mannlicher came out the same year as the Lebel.