This has been most interesting and instructive Sir, yet I believe I can with some certainty explain what exactly has befallen in this very intriguing instance. We can see from your time-lapse at 14:08 mins that the lower level cloud (and thus the ground level wind) is coming at your pitch exactly head-on. Indeed, it is for this exact reason that you have pitched your magic carpet tarp in that particular orientation, and who would not have done likewise? In the lee of such shelters, however, there exists a low pressure zone....... a back eddy...... back swirl...... lull zone (call it what you may) and it is this low pressure zone effect which holds unto itself anything exuded into that back-eddy 'bubble'. As you breath out you exhale moisture vapour. With each successive breath you exhale yet more moisture. That moisture level builds-up and builds-up within that low pressure zone....... it being further sucked-in upon itself by said back eddy...... until the micro environment becomes so over-saturated with pent-up moisture that it has no option other than to dump itself upon any surface that is not subject to some other errant ventilation flow. The inside of the bivi bag similarly communicates directly with this humid lull zone via its aperture (which alas also opens into this very moisture enriched 'bubble') and the inside - and your sleeping bag within it - thus shares this excess moisture content too. The outside of your bivi bag, however, is at a temperature below the dew point of this now warm and very moist air, so the humid air inside of course immediately condenses upon contact with the bag's inner surface. With moisture levels being yet further topped-up and maintained by each successive exhalation ..... and all night long...... this process will only then be interrupted upon your waking and emerging from behind your tarp screen. On previous and on subsequent occasions it probably was the case that you were not quite so perfectly 'head-on' oriented to the natural wind flow, and if on this occasion you had pitched-up perhaps only 5 or 10 degrees out of true alignment with the wind direction, circumstances may very well have been quite different. Temperature gradients and humidity levels will certainly also have been variable factors in your less soggy bivouacs. Similarly, a mere 25mm gap beneath the tarp screen foot would easily disrupt and terminate this back-eddy cycle (by deed of trickle venting). Apologies, it has taken far too many words for me to explain, but in short it is all down to back-eddies and enthalpy. Thank you kindly Sir for sharing this fascinating circumstance. Kind regards.
Hi and thanks for watching, and thanks for your time in giving your theory, of which sounds very much like it, I try to leave a gap under a tarps now to help with ventilation. Thanks again, Cheers
Have been enjoying your vids. Please keep it up. Concerning the condensation problem, I think if we had a better understanding of the temperature change that night, the humidity level, vis-a-vis the dew point, we would get to the bottom of this mystery. Maybe a meteorologist viewer can chime in and shed some light on the matter.🧐 Cheers!
Hi and thanks for popping by, yes that really would answer it !! I have never had a night like that before, I still think a full tarp would have helped that night, as the cold and damp would have hit the tarp first, who knows it’s always great to be out. Cheers
Got a real.sense if adventure watching this. Going up an unknown little track quite often is hard work and you wonder about your choices youve made 🤔😄. Enjoyed that thanks for making and sharing
I have a similar experience last weekend (end Nov 22) on a coastal pitch at Newborough Forest, Anglesey. Very little wind, zero degrees and using a hooped Alpkit Elan. Bivvy was zipped but still plenty left open. I was freezing in the night and woke up every hour. In the morning the down bag was soaked. I kept all my thermal on and defrosted in the car. Condensation is the enemy of the bivvy fan. I've a side zip Macpac Cocoon in eVent. But it's more of a low profile tent. Really enjoy the bivvy and tarp video's 😊
Nice video, Adrian. Condensation has always baffled me as well. It's a real pain if you are planning a multi day hike. In some situations it seems impossible to control. I always think that the tarp or tent isn't there to keep you warm, it's there to protect you from the wind and rain. The sleeping bag is there to keep you warm. On that philosophy I allow as much ventilation as possible inside the shelter and use as warm a bag as required, and then still sometimes end up damp with condensation! Baffles me.
Hi and thanks, yes it’s strange I think the tarp if covering the whole bivy would stop as much cold air dropping on it ? Don’t know, will try this weekend but may never have just those conditions again ! Love the bivy so much to see compared to a tent. Cheers
@@northumberlandmountainhopper Yea. I love bivvying as well. I generally use the DD 3 X3 ultralight tarp and set it up in the Trapezoid configuration as demonstrated by Papa Hiker on his UA-cam channel. One thing I like about this set up is it provides the option of either having an open porch or complete enclosure if the weather turns really bad. I've fitted line locks and 12" guys onto all the pegging points in order to allow plenty of ventilation if required and, touch wood, so far this set-up has performed quite well. Always enjoy your videos, Adrian. Take care.
Hi and thanks for popping by, bivy and small tarp for head cover is my favourite but now it’s colder and so damp the bigger tarp is out, I suffered a bit last week with the damp ! By using the bivy you always have a spot and the tarp does not need a flat spot, so you can go most places and get such views, Cheers
It's dew, which is a atmospheric condensation. The grass around you is probably just as soaking. As the temperature drops the warm moisture in the atmosphere condenses on the cooler ground , which is why there wasn't any on your bivi bag. your body heat kept the temperature above the dew point. not 100% sure of my description, you'd have to ask a pilot for that, or a weatherperson.. You survived the night so not a complete failure nice vid.
Hi and thanks for watching, dew it may have been but the inside of bivy bag and down bag were soaked, never happened before, Hopefully never again!! Cheers
Great video Adrian! Thank you. I use a British army goretex bivi bag and I never get that problem! I imagine it is a big spoiler as you said…if you were out for more than one night .
Hi and thanks, well an army bag is ordered ! Heavy at about 800 gr but can’t beat gore tex just look at the coats and boots ! Will try the full tarp this weekend Cheers
@@kennethwilson8633 the bivy is waterproof, after that episode I tested it in rain and the hosepipe, so it must have been bad condensation and a one off Cheers
That looked like a great camp until I saw how bad the condensation was. As you say, if you’d been camping again that night you would have been snookered. I’m watching your vid from Ros Hill tonight, blowing a hoolie, so thankfully no condensation here. You look like you still enjoyed getting out and great images of the sunset and the deer 👍
Hi Graham, It’s great you are out again,it’s been a while since I was on Ros hill, I even had the bivy and sleeping bag open that night ! Could the condensation have entered from the open top ! I doubt it but am at a loss, I have hosed it down to test and all was ok Try it with the full tarp next time now it’s cold, Must have been Just a odd night Cheers Adrian
Cracking video Adrian you definitely covered a few miles that area down the bottom gets lot's of shooting so be careful I've spoken to a few of the lad's that shoot in that area nice bloke's if you sleep with your head inside your bivvy you will get condensation you must be full of hot air 🤣🤣🤣 atvb Jimmy 😎😎👍👍
Hi Jimmy, I had my bivy open and the sleeping bag open ! Normally in the wind I would be pulled in tight ! Could this have changed the air ? Anyway just loved the bivy waking up looking at the sky, tents are great but you don’t experience the outdoors as much, I fancy a bivy by a lough in Harwood next, longer walk but can filter the water to keep the weight down, after the people up at Simonside Harwood is a haven of peace and quiet. Cheers Adrian
Hi and hello again, yes it’s my favourite quiet spot, prefer the hills but when you see Simon side so busy it’s no good for setting up, so Harwood is guaranteed quiet! Going to do a lough side bivy next at Harwood Cheers Adrian
I sthink that there is a combination of dew (mainly) and condensation. DD tarp may have made a difference, especially if set low - allowing for an opening to the Bivvy bag.
Hi and thanks, yes it sounds right,I used the full tarp last weekend and it was wet, damp with driving rain through the night and I had no condensation, so although it must have been a perfect mix for the condensation, a tarp would have helped. Obviously that was my summer small head tar, perhaps I changed too late to big tarp . Cheers
Looks like you had a shocker there mind with all that moisture. Had similar up High Cup Nick with the bivi but nothing like what you experienced there.
Hi and yes that was my worst ever, had non this weekend even though it was damp and wet ! Got the army bag now for the colder weather save the Hunka for the summer. Will try it this weekend. Cheers
Bivvi made from event or goretex have highest levels of HH - levels of waterproof at least 10000 or more together with high levels of permeability - 10000 or more.
I had a similar issue when I was in the TA. Sleeping in a British Army bouncing bomb maggot sack at Crowborough after a ten mile tab. Bag was soaked from the inside out. Wringing wet, woke up freezing gibbering with the cold.
@@northumberlandmountainhopper no as we were in the barracks, just the doss bag. I remember waking up drenched absolutely sopping wet. I noticed you were fully clothed; I never sleep fully clothed. I would have raised tarp at your head end just to allow air flow.
@@northumberlandmountainhopper I’ve got a DPM army issue goretex bivi love it but it weighs a tonne. Alpkit do a lighter bivi that weighs 290g it called Kloke but it’s pricey £199.
@@jimtilbrook4635 not only expensive but you can’t fit my mat in it as the mats 65cm and the foot box of the Kloke is only 50cm shame I like Alpkit but I think that one’s a bit much. Cheers
@@northumberlandmountainhopper He didn't have a BIVI Bag, just an Army Sleeping Bag as they weren't issued when I served either. I'm not sure if your kit failed or you just had a night where the water vapour in the air was very high. November in the UK is usually the worst month for such and if the ground temperature falls below zero then, that is when you get those lovely hoar frost white overs. You should read up on Dew Points albeit, weather science is beyond me at times. I have often got my legs soaked from saturated early morning tall grasses due to the same effect of moisture. I didn't catch which BIVI you were using, I only managed to read DD Magic Carpet back to front that you were using as a Tarp. Not sure whether or not a DD 3x3 would have made any difference with that amount of moisture in the air. You should be able to find the Dew Point online for the night you went camping in Harwood and compare it with the average for the area before splashing out on new kit. The 'brown stuff' hits us all at some point or other. A Brummie up North, how did that happen. 🤔
looks like mist got under the tarp, iv been soaked in the past with the same thing. i think the reason why the water went into your divvy is because the mist built up on the overhang of your footprint mat which meant you was sleeping in a pool of water. just a thought. good luck.
Good to see you out again mate , Can’t believe how wet your camp got , I would’ve said dew but not when it’s inside your bag 🤷♂️but at least you were out mate , atb Deka 🏕👍🏻😎
@@northumberlandmountainhopper yeah we’re learning every day mate , it’s a great place for adventure, I’m going to have a day up there riding the tracks on my fatbike soon , I’m hoping to get to that trig on it 👍🏻
@@dekacoombe4595 ha ha the trig is too easy it’s only 45 mins fast walk, you will be able to get up to the top end where the loughs are and then have a fast downhill back, often thought about the bike but my bike is just a cross over type so the tyres are not up to Harwood!!!!!
@@northumberlandmountainhopper I’ve done the sandstone route through harwood but fancy that trig at GB and a look at fallowlees lough , spend the day up there and cook some food , that’s the plan anyway 😁
I’m a duffer at physics and I’m sure many others have said the same, but I do think us campers tend to use the term ‘condensation’ as a catch all term for ‘unwanted moisture’ when it can come from (to my mind) at least three different places. Firstly there’s the kind that settles on one side of a membrane with a temperature and/or humidity difference each side - even when there’s no living thing nearby. Secondly there’s plain old dew, which ironically can wet the grass on a clear starry UK night worse than a windy night with the odd shower. And thirdly there’s hot breath and steam coming from a person or animal and settling as droplets on nearby surfaces - think your car windscreen when you’re inside and stationary. My guess is that you had a perfect storm of all three factors here, not helped by a less than breathable bivvy bag. Add down and like you say - potentially catastrophic. I don’t think there’s much you could have done to predict this - the only lesson is probably ‘never bivvy on multi day treks!’. Thank heavens you could go home. Anyway, enjoyable and informative vid all the same, and a new sub here. Cheers. Rich 👍
Hi and thanks for watching and your comments, the first two yes and by the way I don’t normally use a ground sheet with a bivy so it may be a factor, but not the third,breath,as I have my face always open to the air, have not suffered since so who knows ! I will check your vids out it’s amazing how many channels are out there that have never popped up on suggested watch even though we do similar camps Cheers Adrian
@@northumberlandmountainhopper Yeah I only just came across your channel too which is nuts as not only do I do some similar camps but there's lots of crossover on kit too it seems - got the same bivvy, tarps and even down jacket! 😅 I'm also a Black Country lad living a bit further North now. Just to clarify on the breath, I was thinking more of the dripping off the underside of the tarp, and the inside of the bivvy could just be from vapour from your skin. Anyway, sounds like you're happy with the Goretex now, glad that's working for you 👍
Hi Adrian lovely and quiet there m8t really away from it all (excellent) 😊 But that condensation was crazy a quality Bivvi too 👍 Your bag was soaked? Could sleeping with your head inside the Bivvi have caused it ??? Over a long cold night ?!!! If the bag was breathable though it should not of happened really Still a nice night on the field 😊👍 Best wishes Simon 😊🙏🏼👍
Hi Simon, don’t know if the video made it clear enough, but I left the bivy top wide open and the sleeping bag was loose also So I just don’t get it ! I have been totally wrapped up tight on a trip previously and been dry !!! I have hosed it down to test and it was ok I will try a big tarp next time if it’s cold and damp Cheers Adrian
Hi, I have hosed the bag to death and no leaks, I had the bivy and sleeping bag tops open as there was no cold wind, Could that have helped with the cold causing it ? That’s the only thing different this time, will be out testing it this weekend. Obviously last winter I was using full tarp so that stops the dew landing on the bag. Cheers for now
Hi m8 go with the British , Dutch or usgi bivibag m8 there the only ones full goretex I’ve used mine all conditions 100s of time and hardly no damp anything else don’t breath enough, I bought the snugpak special forces one go bit lighter it was like a plastic bag crap
Hi and thanks, not the only one to say this, think I will look into one, just the condition puts me off in case it’s got a small hole ? You can’t beat a gore tex coat so it makes sense, the army bivy bag plus tarp will then weigh as much as my f10 tent lol but you know you can’t beat the feeling of a bivy compared to being in a small tent Cheers
Appart from the snugpak SF filling like a plastic bag was there anything else you didn't like about it. The gortex bags cost a lot of money but look good
Can you give me the grid ref for the trig point I have not been able to find this all tge times I have been up it's OK if you don't want to give the location away 👍🏻love watching any vids on harwood
I can understand the wet sleeping bag probably due to your body heat & your bivvy not being breathable enough.but you would think with the amount of air circulation under the bivvy it would stay dry🤔 condensation always forms on the coldest surface.
Hi and thanks for watching, this was one of the only times I did have a groundsheet down, I used a tent footprint, I never normally suffer even straight on the ground, Just one of those things on this camp I think. Cheers
@@northumberlandmountainhopper eating fat is not the problem, not doing anything is the problem. My grandfather was a butcher he ate fatty steak all the time he ate lardy cake & ate beef dripping sandwichs. Guess what he was not fat or ill he died at 97 years old. His secret was he never sat on his ass he was always doing something, the only time he would sit down was 11:30am every single day for a coffee then it was back to work in the garage or garden or walking around town. Have you been out on any more adventures yet? Now it is getting colder I start eating more fatty meat like lamb & eating more cheese, when I go hiking always with the bacon over the fire, got to give your body something to burn.
@@moorshound3243 that’s so true, I have always walked and climbed and had an active job so stayed fairly slim, struggling now at 60 !!! As it happens I am going to bivy tonight, losing reception soon so I will post on Sunday all being well Cheers
Nice video..did you have your head inside the bivvy 🤔 it'll cause your breath to condense😉I use an ex British army one from time to time,no issues 🤷all the best Lincoln 👍🤙
Hi Lincoln, no I had my head out and the sleeping bag top open as my head was toasty, never suffered like that before, I can only think in the cold I normally have the 3x3 up and totally cover the camping area. Cheers
@@northumberlandmountainhopper should still keep you dry without a tarp tbf.. maybe there's a leek or two in it 🤔 not so bad this time of year but in the middle of winter that'll be a nightmare 🙄 hope you get it sorted 👍
@@harwoodblades3633 hi Lincoln it’s never give me a problem before, and I am just in from hosing it ! I put some towels on a clothes dryer put the bivy over it and blasted it all over could not see a leak ! Obviously doing this after it had dyed inside and outside on the line.
Hi and thanks, even taking that into account there are far more than the older areas ? Or will they thin out and space naturally ? Interesting to watch over the years. Cheers
FYI condensation is in direct correlation with humidity. Be it body or outside. Geez you were like a broken nagging Nancy. If you feel like this is catastrophic you might want to stay at the house more. “Tuff situations make tuff men…ruck on and move forward”
It looks to me like you are wearing too much clothing, which can cause you to sweat, and in turn, produces condensation inside the bag. From Alpkit's website: How do you stop condensation in a bivvy bag? Breathing and sweating are bodily functions which produce moisture that ultimately condenses in our sleeping bags, making us feel clammy and cooling us down. In summer, we sweat. You might get into your bivvy bag feeling cold, but you will naturally warm up throughout the night. Try to avoid overheating by not overdressing before turning in for the night. To prevent condensation - and ultimately cooling down - from breathing through the night, make sure to breathe outside your bivvy bag. Wear a woolly hat to keep your noggin toasty!
@@northumberlandmountainhopper A lot of people forget that a bivy adds warmth to your sleep system. It's not the same as being in a tent with airflow. When I use a bivy, I often find I can actually combine a slightly less warm sleeping bag and that usually feels just right. Always a better idea to only wear a base layer at most in your bag. The best way to test any sleep system is by sleeping in the garden at various times of the year. That way, you don't get as many incidents in the wild.
This has been most interesting and instructive Sir, yet I believe I can with some certainty explain what exactly has befallen in this very intriguing instance.
We can see from your time-lapse at 14:08 mins that the lower level cloud (and thus the ground level wind) is coming at your pitch exactly head-on. Indeed, it is for this exact reason that you have pitched your magic carpet tarp in that particular orientation, and who would not have done likewise?
In the lee of such shelters, however, there exists a low pressure zone....... a back eddy...... back swirl...... lull zone (call it what you may) and it is this low pressure zone effect which holds unto itself anything exuded into that back-eddy 'bubble'.
As you breath out you exhale moisture vapour. With each successive breath you exhale yet more moisture. That moisture level builds-up and builds-up within that low pressure zone....... it being further sucked-in upon itself by said back eddy...... until the micro environment becomes so over-saturated with pent-up moisture that it has no option other than to dump itself upon any surface that is not subject to some other errant ventilation flow.
The inside of the bivi bag similarly communicates directly with this humid lull zone via its aperture (which alas also opens into this very moisture enriched 'bubble') and the inside - and your sleeping bag within it - thus shares this excess moisture content too. The outside of your bivi bag, however, is at a temperature below the dew point of this now warm and very moist air, so the humid air inside of course immediately condenses upon contact with the bag's inner surface.
With moisture levels being yet further topped-up and maintained by each successive exhalation ..... and all night long...... this process will only then be interrupted upon your waking and emerging from behind your tarp screen.
On previous and on subsequent occasions it probably was the case that you were not quite so perfectly 'head-on' oriented to the natural wind flow, and if on this occasion you had pitched-up perhaps only 5 or 10 degrees out of true alignment with the wind direction, circumstances may very well have been quite different. Temperature gradients and humidity levels will certainly also have been variable factors in your less soggy bivouacs.
Similarly, a mere 25mm gap beneath the tarp screen foot would easily disrupt and terminate this back-eddy cycle (by deed of trickle venting).
Apologies, it has taken far too many words for me to explain, but in short it is all down to back-eddies and enthalpy. Thank you kindly Sir for sharing this fascinating circumstance.
Kind regards.
Hi and thanks for watching, and thanks for your time in giving your theory, of which sounds very much like it, I try to leave a gap under a tarps now to help with ventilation.
Thanks again,
Cheers
Have been enjoying your vids. Please keep it up. Concerning the condensation problem, I think if we had a better understanding of the temperature change that night, the humidity level, vis-a-vis the dew point, we would get to the bottom of this mystery. Maybe a meteorologist viewer can chime in and shed some light on the matter.🧐 Cheers!
Hi and thanks for popping by, yes that really would answer it !! I have never had a night like that before, I still think a full tarp would have helped that night, as the cold and damp would have hit the tarp first, who knows it’s always great to be out.
Cheers
Morning Dew & Low Cloud does that Fella. Great Videos, Thank You.
Hi and thanks for watching, that was the only time I have ever suffered like that, just love a bivy , glad it was a one nighter,
Cheers Adrian
Got a real.sense if adventure watching this. Going up an unknown little track quite often is hard work and you wonder about your choices youve made 🤔😄. Enjoyed that thanks for making and sharing
Hi and thanks for watching, back up this weekend going to find one of the loughs
I have a similar experience last weekend (end Nov 22) on a coastal pitch at Newborough Forest, Anglesey. Very little wind, zero degrees and using a hooped Alpkit Elan. Bivvy was zipped but still plenty left open. I was freezing in the night and woke up every hour. In the morning the down bag was soaked. I kept all my thermal on and defrosted in the car. Condensation is the enemy of the bivvy fan. I've a side zip Macpac Cocoon in eVent. But it's more of a low profile tent.
Really enjoy the bivvy and tarp video's 😊
Hi and thanks for the input, seems we do suffer the odd weird night with condensation In the bivy.
Still love em
Cheers
Nice video, Adrian. Condensation has always baffled me as well. It's a real pain if you are planning a multi day hike. In some situations it seems impossible to control. I always think that the tarp or tent isn't there to keep you warm, it's there to protect you from the wind and rain. The sleeping bag is there to keep you warm. On that philosophy I allow as much ventilation as possible inside the shelter and use as warm a bag as required, and then still sometimes end up damp with condensation! Baffles me.
Hi and thanks, yes it’s strange I think the tarp if covering the whole bivy would stop as much cold air dropping on it ? Don’t know, will try this weekend but may never have just those conditions again !
Love the bivy so much to see compared to a tent.
Cheers
@@northumberlandmountainhopper Yea. I love bivvying as well. I generally use the DD 3 X3 ultralight tarp and set it up in the Trapezoid configuration as demonstrated by Papa Hiker on his UA-cam channel. One thing I like about this set up is it provides the option of either having an open porch or complete enclosure if the weather turns really bad. I've fitted line locks and 12" guys onto all the pegging points in order to allow plenty of ventilation if required and, touch wood, so far this set-up has performed quite well.
Always enjoy your videos, Adrian.
Take care.
@@frederickridall628 yes you will see that tarp this weekend as I try to keep the cold off the bivy
Cheers
@@northumberlandmountainhopper👍 Looking forward to watching.
I've heard that you should use a wide foam mat under the bivy itself to try and insulate it from damp ground
Hi and thanks for watching again, yes it may have helped, to be honest it’s the only time I have suffered like this,
Cheers
I love to camp with a tarp and bivy. Too bad about the condensation. Great video. New follower here. Crow✌️
Hi and thanks for popping by, bivy and small tarp for head cover is my favourite but now it’s colder and so damp the bigger tarp is out, I suffered a bit last week with the damp !
By using the bivy you always have a spot and the tarp does not need a flat spot, so you can go most places and get such views,
Cheers
It's dew, which is a atmospheric condensation. The grass around you is probably just as soaking. As the temperature drops the warm moisture in the atmosphere condenses on the cooler ground , which is why there wasn't any on your bivi bag. your body heat kept the temperature above the dew point. not 100% sure of my description, you'd have to ask a pilot for that, or a weatherperson.. You survived the night so not a complete failure nice vid.
Hi and thanks for watching, dew it may have been but the inside of bivy bag and down bag were soaked, never happened before,
Hopefully never again!!
Cheers
Great video Adrian! Thank you. I use a British army goretex bivi bag and I never get that problem! I imagine it is a big spoiler as you said…if you were out for more than one night .
Hi and thanks, well an army bag is ordered ! Heavy at about 800 gr but can’t beat gore tex just look at the coats and boots !
Will try the full tarp this weekend
Cheers
That was a night for your tent you had with you. Have fun stay safe.
Hi and thanks for watching, think your right !!!
But love the bivy !!
Cheers
@@northumberlandmountainhopper you need to water proof it. Keep up the videos.
@@kennethwilson8633 the bivy is waterproof, after that episode I tested it in rain and the hosepipe, so it must have been bad condensation and a one off
Cheers
That looked like a great camp until I saw how bad the condensation was. As you say, if you’d been camping again that night you would have been snookered. I’m watching your vid from Ros Hill tonight, blowing a hoolie, so thankfully no condensation here. You look like you still enjoyed getting out and great images of the sunset and the deer 👍
Hi Graham,
It’s great you are out again,it’s been a while since I was on Ros hill, I even had the bivy and sleeping bag open that night ! Could the condensation have entered from the open top ! I doubt it but am at a loss, I have hosed it down to test and all was ok
Try it with the full tarp next time now it’s cold,
Must have been Just a odd night
Cheers Adrian
Cracking video Adrian you definitely covered a few miles that area down the bottom gets lot's of shooting so be careful I've spoken to a few of the lad's that shoot in that area nice bloke's if you sleep with your head inside your bivvy you will get condensation you must be full of hot air 🤣🤣🤣 atvb Jimmy 😎😎👍👍
Hi Jimmy, I had my bivy open and the sleeping bag open ! Normally in the wind I would be pulled in tight ! Could this have changed the air ? Anyway just loved the bivy waking up looking at the sky, tents are great but you don’t experience the outdoors as much, I fancy a bivy by a lough in Harwood next, longer walk but can filter the water to keep the weight down, after the people up at Simonside Harwood is a haven of peace and quiet.
Cheers Adrian
Nah, probably because unlike you, he didn't have a bucket of Jack Daniels and Coke before going to sleep. 🤭
@@RobertsBulgaria 🤣🤣🤣
Great explore, as you say you could wander round there for days.
Hi and hello again, yes it’s my favourite quiet spot, prefer the hills but when you see Simon side so busy it’s no good for setting up, so Harwood is guaranteed quiet! Going to do a lough side bivy next at Harwood
Cheers Adrian
I sthink that there is a combination of dew (mainly) and condensation. DD tarp may have made a difference, especially if set low - allowing for an opening to the Bivvy bag.
Hi and thanks, yes it sounds right,I used the full tarp last weekend and it was wet, damp with driving rain through the night and I had no condensation, so although it must have been a perfect mix for the condensation, a tarp would have helped.
Obviously that was my summer small head tar, perhaps I changed too late to big tarp .
Cheers
Looks like you had a shocker there mind with all that moisture. Had similar up High Cup Nick with the bivi but nothing like what you experienced there.
Hi and yes that was my worst ever, had non this weekend even though it was damp and wet !
Got the army bag now for the colder weather save the Hunka for the summer. Will try it this weekend.
Cheers
Try the UK military bivvy bag it's a very hardy piece of kit! All the best
Thanks
Brett, where could I get one? Interested in trying the bivvy thing!
Bivvi made from event or goretex have highest levels of HH - levels of waterproof at least 10000 or more together with high levels of permeability - 10000 or more.
@@solitude-4u one on order got a new one
I had a similar issue when I was in the TA. Sleeping in a British Army bouncing bomb maggot sack at Crowborough after a ten mile tab. Bag was soaked from the inside out. Wringing wet, woke up freezing gibbering with the cold.
Hi Jim thanks for popping along, can I ask was it a gore tex bag as I am advised to get the army issue bag ?
@@northumberlandmountainhopper no as we were in the barracks, just the doss bag. I remember waking up drenched absolutely sopping wet. I noticed you were fully clothed; I never sleep fully clothed. I would have raised tarp at your head end just to allow air flow.
@@northumberlandmountainhopper I’ve got a DPM army issue goretex bivi love it but it weighs a tonne. Alpkit do a lighter bivi that weighs 290g it called Kloke but it’s pricey £199.
@@jimtilbrook4635 not only expensive but you can’t fit my mat in it as the mats 65cm and the foot box of the Kloke is only 50cm shame I like Alpkit but I think that one’s a bit much.
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@@northumberlandmountainhopper He didn't have a BIVI Bag, just an Army Sleeping Bag as they weren't issued when I served either. I'm not sure if your kit failed or you just had a night where the water vapour in the air was very high. November in the UK is usually the worst month for such and if the ground temperature falls below zero then, that is when you get those lovely hoar frost white overs. You should read up on Dew Points albeit, weather science is beyond me at times. I have often got my legs soaked from saturated early morning tall grasses due to the same effect of moisture. I didn't catch which BIVI you were using, I only managed to read DD Magic Carpet back to front that you were using as a Tarp. Not sure whether or not a DD 3x3 would have made any difference with that amount of moisture in the air. You should be able to find the Dew Point online for the night you went camping in Harwood and compare it with the average for the area before splashing out on new kit. The 'brown stuff' hits us all at some point or other. A Brummie up North, how did that happen. 🤔
looks like mist got under the tarp, iv been soaked in the past with the same thing. i think the reason why the water went into your divvy is because the mist built up on the overhang of your footprint mat which meant you was sleeping in a pool of water. just a thought. good luck.
Hi and thanks for input, could be, anyway it was a one off, hopefully I don’t repeat it, still love a bivy.
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Good to see you out again mate , Can’t believe how wet your camp got , I would’ve said dew but not when it’s inside your bag 🤷♂️but at least you were out mate , atb Deka 🏕👍🏻😎
Hi and thanks, thinking about it my normal winter bivy uses a full size tarp so that extreme change would not have hit the bivy !
Live and learn
@@northumberlandmountainhopper yeah we’re learning every day mate , it’s a great place for adventure, I’m going to have a day up there riding the tracks on my fatbike soon , I’m hoping to get to that trig on it 👍🏻
@@dekacoombe4595 ha ha the trig is too easy it’s only 45 mins fast walk, you will be able to get up to the top end where the loughs are and then have a fast downhill back, often thought about the bike but my bike is just a cross over type so the tyres are not up to Harwood!!!!!
@@northumberlandmountainhopper I’ve done the sandstone route through harwood but fancy that trig at GB and a look at fallowlees lough , spend the day up there and cook some food , that’s the plan anyway 😁
Use a goretex bivi, heavier but breaths a sight better than the lighter sweatier bivi's.
Hi and yes , I now use a army bivy for the damper weather and love the extra space as well
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I’m a duffer at physics and I’m sure many others have said the same, but I do think us campers tend to use the term ‘condensation’ as a catch all term for ‘unwanted moisture’ when it can come from (to my mind) at least three different places. Firstly there’s the kind that settles on one side of a membrane with a temperature and/or humidity difference each side - even when there’s no living thing nearby. Secondly there’s plain old dew, which ironically can wet the grass on a clear starry UK night worse than a windy night with the odd shower. And thirdly there’s hot breath and steam coming from a person or animal and settling as droplets on nearby surfaces - think your car windscreen when you’re inside and stationary. My guess is that you had a perfect storm of all three factors here, not helped by a less than breathable bivvy bag. Add down and like you say - potentially catastrophic. I don’t think there’s much you could have done to predict this - the only lesson is probably ‘never bivvy on multi day treks!’. Thank heavens you could go home. Anyway, enjoyable and informative vid all the same, and a new sub here. Cheers. Rich 👍
Hi and thanks for watching and your comments, the first two yes and by the way I don’t normally use a ground sheet with a bivy so it may be a factor, but not the third,breath,as I have my face always open to the air, have not suffered since so who knows !
I will check your vids out it’s amazing how many channels are out there that have never popped up on suggested watch even though we do similar camps
Cheers Adrian
@@northumberlandmountainhopper Yeah I only just came across your channel too which is nuts as not only do I do some similar camps but there's lots of crossover on kit too it seems - got the same bivvy, tarps and even down jacket! 😅 I'm also a Black Country lad living a bit further North now. Just to clarify on the breath, I was thinking more of the dripping off the underside of the tarp, and the inside of the bivvy could just be from vapour from your skin. Anyway, sounds like you're happy with the Goretex now, glad that's working for you 👍
@@CottonBud wow lots of us up here !!!
I was from By the M5 M42 junction so close to your area
Hi Adrian lovely and quiet there m8t really away from it all (excellent) 😊
But that condensation was crazy a quality Bivvi too 👍
Your bag was soaked? Could sleeping with your head inside the Bivvi have caused it ??? Over a long cold night ?!!!
If the bag was breathable though it should not of happened really
Still a nice night on the field 😊👍
Best wishes Simon 😊🙏🏼👍
Hi Simon, don’t know if the video made it clear enough, but I left the bivy top wide open and the sleeping bag was loose also
So I just don’t get it !
I have been totally wrapped up tight on a trip previously and been dry !!!
I have hosed it down to test and it was ok
I will try a big tarp next time if it’s cold and damp
Cheers Adrian
@@northumberlandmountainhopper very odd that Adrian I’ll look forward to that Bivvi to see if it makes a difference?
All the best 👍😊
That is a lot of condensation, wouldn’t expect that much. Perplexing.
Hi, I have hosed the bag to death and no leaks, I had the bivy and sleeping bag tops open as there was no cold wind, Could that have helped with the cold causing it ? That’s the only thing different this time, will be out testing it this weekend.
Obviously last winter I was using full tarp so that stops the dew landing on the bag.
Cheers for now
Hi m8 go with the British , Dutch or usgi bivibag m8 there the only ones full goretex I’ve used mine all conditions 100s of time and hardly no damp anything else don’t breath enough, I bought the snugpak special forces one go bit lighter it was like a plastic bag crap
Hi and thanks, not the only one to say this, think I will look into one, just the condition puts me off in case it’s got a small hole ?
You can’t beat a gore tex coat so it makes sense, the army bivy bag plus tarp will then weigh as much as my f10 tent lol but you know you can’t beat the feeling of a bivy compared to being in a small tent
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You can still buy them brand new online if you look m8 £40
@@Nofixedabode859 funny enough I am looking now £55 new in a bag
@@northumberlandmountainhopper get it m8 you won’t need another gone up a bit but they work
Appart from the snugpak SF filling like a plastic bag was there anything else you didn't like about it. The gortex bags cost a lot of money but look good
Can you give me the grid ref for the trig point I have not been able to find this all tge times I have been up it's OK if you don't want to give the location away 👍🏻love watching any vids on harwood
Hi and thanks for popping by, here is the ref 921 984 it is shown on the ordinance maps
It’s a great place Harwood so quiet
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The next time try under the tree canopy for protection & rubber pants inside the bivy just incase 😂..
Hi and thanks for watching, lol it was just a wet one !!!!
I can understand the wet sleeping bag probably due to your body heat & your bivvy not being breathable enough.but you would think with the amount of air circulation under the bivvy it would stay dry🤔 condensation always forms on the coldest surface.
Hi and thanks, I do enjoy a bivy, just a shame, still think a full tarp would have stopped it.
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I think the moist conditions of late don’t help , everything in the atmosphere holding the moisture . Not comfortable being in a wet bivi atb Dave
Hi Dave, thanks ,I still love the bivy ! Will try a full tarp this weekend to keep the cold off the bivy, see if it helps.
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Put a ground cloth down. It is coming from the ground up to your tarp.
Hi and thanks for watching, this was one of the only times I did have a groundsheet down, I used a tent footprint, I never normally suffer even straight on the ground,
Just one of those things on this camp I think.
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I do enjoy deer right next to the peas and gravy.
Hi I tried venison once and found it a bit rich
Apparently really good for you as no fat
@@northumberlandmountainhopper eating fat is not the problem, not doing anything is the problem.
My grandfather was a butcher he ate fatty steak all the time he ate lardy cake & ate beef dripping sandwichs. Guess what he was not fat or ill he died at 97 years old. His secret was he never sat on his ass he was always doing something, the only time he would sit down was 11:30am every single day for a coffee then it was back to work in the garage or garden or walking around town.
Have you been out on any more adventures yet?
Now it is getting colder I start eating more fatty meat like lamb & eating more cheese, when I go hiking always with the bacon over the fire, got to give your body something to burn.
@@moorshound3243 that’s so true, I have always walked and climbed and had an active job so stayed fairly slim, struggling now at 60 !!!
As it happens I am going to bivy tonight, losing reception soon so I will post on Sunday all being well
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Nice video..did you have your head inside the bivvy 🤔 it'll cause your breath to condense😉I use an ex British army one from time to time,no issues 🤷all the best Lincoln 👍🤙
Hi Lincoln, no I had my head out and the sleeping bag top open as my head was toasty, never suffered like that before, I can only think in the cold I normally have the 3x3 up and totally cover the camping area.
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@@northumberlandmountainhopper should still keep you dry without a tarp tbf.. maybe there's a leek or two in it 🤔 not so bad this time of year but in the middle of winter that'll be a nightmare 🙄 hope you get it sorted 👍
@@harwoodblades3633 hi Lincoln it’s never give me a problem before, and I am just in from hosing it ! I put some towels on a clothes dryer put the bivy over it and blasted it all over could not see a leak ! Obviously doing this after it had dyed inside and outside on the line.
Not a bad little camp. Spoilt for choice for tables and chairs with all those stumps 😂
Hi and yes stumps are handy, I fancied Tossen hill but it was heaving with the sunny day ! So I got a peaceful but wet camp instead !!!
Are you sure you didn’t wet the bed? 😂👍
Hi lol it was wet
It looked it buddy, great video 👍
Wow! Everything soaked! Strange how without rain your sleeping bag was soaked! At least it’s a wee night out.
Hello, I really do think without the full tarp the heat/ cold transfer was too much, normally in the winter I put the big tarp up,
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That's why a fire and a wool blanket is how to roll.
It’s survival of the fittest for the saplings they don’t all grow.
Hi and thanks, even taking that into account there are far more than the older areas ? Or will they thin out and space naturally ?
Interesting to watch over the years.
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Moisture from the ground rises. Not on top of the bag.
Hi and thanks for watching, the amount of moisture in by bivy !! Conditions must have been just right !! Against me lol
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@@northumberlandmountainhopper No worries . Up the baggies.
it is from your breath
Hi thanks for popping by, it must have been the conditions as I have my head out of the bivy bag, put it down as a one off I think.
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FYI condensation is in direct correlation with humidity. Be it body or outside. Geez you were like a broken nagging Nancy. If you feel like this is catastrophic you might want to stay at the house more. “Tuff situations make tuff men…ruck on and move forward”
Hi and LOL yes a bit of a moan, then I tried to show how bad condensation can be, I will be out in the bivy this weekend,
Cheers for watching
Dude, some of the young trees will die and thus make room for the others.
Hi and thanks for coming along, it’s true yes they will
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mountainhopper57 - May God bless all your travels.
It looks to me like you are wearing too much clothing, which can cause you to sweat, and in turn, produces condensation inside the bag.
From Alpkit's website:
How do you stop condensation in a bivvy bag?
Breathing and sweating are bodily functions which produce moisture that ultimately condenses in our sleeping bags, making us feel clammy and cooling us down.
In summer, we sweat. You might get into your bivvy bag feeling cold, but you will naturally warm up throughout the night. Try to avoid overheating by not overdressing before turning in for the night.
To prevent condensation - and ultimately cooling down - from breathing through the night, make sure to breathe outside your bivvy bag. Wear a woolly hat to keep your noggin toasty!
Hi and thanks for watching, and your advice, thanks for taking the time, never suffered like it before or since !! Strange
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@@northumberlandmountainhopper A lot of people forget that a bivy adds warmth to your sleep system. It's not the same as being in a tent with airflow. When I use a bivy, I often find I can actually combine a slightly less warm sleeping bag and that usually feels just right. Always a better idea to only wear a base layer at most in your bag. The best way to test any sleep system is by sleeping in the garden at various times of the year. That way, you don't get as many incidents in the wild.
@@peesua good tips
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