The Domino XL: Making Custom Doors
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2012
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Great job on the video and the door...the Domino does make it a lot faster and easier than typical fixed mortise and tenon joint without sacrificing strength!
Great job Robby! Were looking forward to having you visit the Ruth Bancroft Garden and designing and making our Barn Doors.
Brilliant video, clear. precise and a valuable learning experience for a novice(me)...thank you
Making a "dry" run with the router is really smart! Good tips throughout---thanks.
Just magnificent artisans using incredible tools.
Nice video on making simple custom doors. Appreciate the tips ! The Domino definitely makes the process much easier and faster, but I don't do enough doors to warrant it's high price. In fact I've never made a door .
Some jobs spec a horizontal grain on large panels like that.
I bought an xl.. used it to build my base to my Roubo bench .. it’s crazy strong 👍😊
What kind of glue do you use PVA or PU?
Do you have the model number or bit size used for the mortise?
Hi Gary
Could you ask Robby if he cuts all his slots (when making a door) using the XL 700's tight-fit setting or whether he combines the looser fit and the tight fit? When should I use the 'snug' fit?
Is there a guide or rule he might suggest? Plus...has someone already asked which glue he would recommend?
This video has really sold me on the tool. I am going to make my own doors and ditch the MDF veneered doors.
Thanks
Peter
Very good advice. Saving to favorites.
Advert or not an advert, who cares. The content was (to me) interesting.
Makes manufacturing a door a fairly simple task.
This is a long commercial
How do you align holes in vertical and horizontal pieces ?
I'm new to the router game and I want to build a door. I want to router a gap exactly like shown in this video. I need the gap to be 1/4" to place slats I want in. Is that type of rabbet but that can be bought at any hardware store, or is it a special buy
Yes,that's a quick way of making doors,the only critisism I have is,I spotted that the grains on a panels will run horizontly instead vertically.Watch for that ,next time you make a panel door.Regards
But that is not a mistake, that’s his design and that is what I see all the time actually. Why is that a problem?
Is there a reason to mark the rails together and then transfer those marks to the stiles? It seems like an extra unnecessary step when you can just lay out the rails and stiles and mark them in one operation. Shouldn't matter if the dominos are not in exactly the same position on opposite sides of the door, or does it? Thanks. Great video.
very nicely done I would have done it same way
Thanks for this information.
Not sure if Gary has enough sandpaper.
How do you keep water from seeping into the panel joint?
Easy to build a door from now>>thanks guys for the tips..
The panels he made for door are they 1/4” plywood?
Spray glued panels.....class! They will never dry and pop.....
Good system in theory but the rails tend to open up on the joins, including a haunch makes a massive difference in avoiding this. I think a traditional haunched, mortice and tenon joint wedged up can’t be beaten.
What species wood was he using to make his doors?
Great design
What is the type of wood on the styles?it looks amazing
Looks like fir but not sure
What brand of bar clamps was he using?
I enjoyed this video very much. However! (1) Wear a mask when using the router, (2) the aerosol adhesive - I hope this was not one of those which use CFCs as the gas spray - not environmental friendly.
Having said my piece. I think you have a great combination of tools for the job in a world where speed and costs have overtaken detailed workmanship and in this case, I agree with you respecting the versatility of the Festool Domino, even though they are expensive. Many thanks for taking the time to produce this video.
To each his own.
That's great tool i have one of theme,but that is very expensive.and have a 1400 festool router too.
Why does the rail on the bottom not sit flush with the bottom of the style?
I'll stick to traditional mortice and tenons for exterior doors and gates, we've seen a lot of loose tennon doors fall apart because the glue failed. Through Mortice, tennon glue and wedged. Dominoe looks good for other applications though
Awesome video 2 thumbs up...
very good
you got style
Does any one know what is the thickness of the door? Thanks
Question please: why the styles are longer than the rails at one end of the door? Thank you
Better too long than too short. He'll cut them even at the end. That's my theory
That's how you build a door
Good video. Question. Could I drop 1/4 glass in the door instead of panels?
I'm confused. so is this a good product or not. I wish they talked more about whether they liked it or not.
Great dust collection
Hey does anyone know the name bran of the clamps that's he's using at 5:18 ???
Rockler's house brand. Very highly regarded.
I think they are just like the ones that I bought at Harbor Freight identical
Could this be done with a 1400 router?
thank you...
Wow great video! I was looking for just this. I am confused as to why the stiles are protruding at the bottom of the door though! I can't figure it out except that maybe they were left long because the bottom of the door will be trimed?
The stiles are left long (Yes, the door will be trimmed) so the very heavy door can be manhandled around the shop or jobsite before installation.
why not buy 1/2" panels instead of gluing up two 1/4"?
Probably so you have 2 finished sides
@@ST44V bingo!
Better panel stability
What type of clamps are used at 5:20?
Traditional M/T joints at top and bottom of door include haunches. Domino joints do not. So far as I know, this lack of haunch hasn't led to problems. If this is correct, it makes me wonder whether traditional use of haunches was really necessary all along. Any thoughts?
That is an okay way to make a door but not as good as cutting a groove all the way on the inside of the stiles and rails and having a stub tenon to fill it as well as a full tenon into the stiles. If you are going to cut a groove with a router you could do it in a router table or better yet a shaper and have decent dust collection and eliminate the chance that you let the router tip and mess up one of your parts. That technique is probably strong enough but a full tenon would be better. Also what is up with using contact adhesive to glue the panels together? Why not use yellow glue?
No hearing protection nor dust protection. Is the dust ectractor even turned on?
Good vid Gary, thanks for posting it.
Yes, I own the 700XL and agree that this vid is a bit of an infomercial, but that said, the XL is THE way to churn out doors (and heaps of other items too)! The haters really need to go demo a 700XL before spewing their bile about something which they are completely unequipped to speak about -- that just shows everybody what fools you are. The Domino method is shockingly fast and precise.
The key is to be sure to get enough tenon meat in the joints. In this case, the Douglas Fir door components are strong, but the beech tenons are much stronger, so the traditional full tenon probably isn't necessary. That said, I would very much like to see some Domino doors after 10 years just to get a feel for what is strong and what is strong enough.
About those panels: It didn't appear he took expansion/contraction/swelling of the panels into consideration. Rabbeting the panel slots while assembled is a great idea because the curved corners are buried inside the framing, so from the outside the corners appear nice and straight.
Wow...I want a Domino!!! I wish he would finish the whole door since I am a home owner and not a contractor :(
How much is that? 20 grand?
this is a comercial of fest tools
+Markos Xenakis Very true! At least they show how the tools work.
Festool are amazing especially for professionals when time equals money and quality is a must.
So?
@@bighands69 so you're not professional unless you use festool? These are not commercial tools. Nice toys for hobbyists
The OF 1440 would have easily made that cut in soft or hardwood - the 2200 is overkill
Probably because it was the nearest one to hand. Just the tool I've been using today to make a cabinet. My smaller routers where at the end of the shed and my 2200 was nearer.
The Big Boy is more stable, especially when climb cutting....
Show us your expert video
What would it cost to have someone build a door?
This was a helpful video, and a good method to avoid cope and stick joinery for paneled doors.
BE ADVISED: when using the bottom bearing rabbet bit panel grooving method, the router bit shank on your tool must be smaller than the bearing on your rabbet bit. I found this out the hard way, but was in a hurry. Upon closer inspection of the video, the doorman uses what looks like the same size bearing and arbor? In my experience the rabbet bits I had were fillet coved at the shank + cutter head connection, and if the shank arbor is equal to or larger than the bearing, it will round over the upper inside corner of the panel groove (doh!).
To prevent this round over, and lacking bit and bearing options on hand, I could flip the door and reference the other slab face with the router, rather than referencing the same face for both passes and adjusting the plunge of the rabbet bit. Thankfully it was hurried scenery.
Good method though! It worked really well!
Building anything is living and learning! Thanks again
dr ralph hit the nail on the head,
Great job to the guy that made that door. Does he have a channel?
I don't know, but I'm sure he will never leave his Domino XL. The Domino XL is great for all your needs. You can take it with you fishing. Or, to a bakery. We all know they need a little help with their biscuits. The Domino XL can even help you wash your car, paint a house, or take a simple shower. You might be asking, "Is there anything the Domino XL can't do?" The answer is clearly, No. Now stop asking.
But will it blend?
The answer is Definitely, maybe.
a small shop like what?
like this.
Really nice job!
Why the gap in the lower part of the door?
Why two sets of panels 1/4" and no 1/2"?
telosfd maybe ventilation gap. Bathroom doors?
ok
The extra length on the stiles gets cuts off when the door is ready for fitting, doing it this way removes the chance of damaging the bottom corners during manufacture and transit...
SAFETY TIP: his router is plugged in, HOWEVER in the Festool system, the tools are plugged into the DUST collector (shop vacuum)- so called "plug_it" system{ a two pin twist lock plug} that goes into 90% of all of their corded tools, so as to encourage the use of an extractor, as this is designed with construction woodworkers (carpenters/ fitters) in mind.
Tru Professional, high respect for Rob Myer's. Pay attention and take notes.
I literally said like a glove at the same time as you Yiks !!!!! lol
Hello, HELLOO, how about using some hearing protection?
Thank you captain OSHA
What tree material are you using
Dougie fir
+Fek The First thanks
+Alex Pimon
👍🇬🇧
the haters in the comments are really funny..get your shit together and buy one and stop hating on this dude.
I prefer to stick with good old fashioned mortise and tenons. ..
+Derek Richline it is indeed. ..but I'm old school. .can't beat a good haunched mortice and tenon that resist twisting and prevents open gaps. ..
Me too. I almost bought a domino jointer...but for not too much more I bought a tenoner that can scribe and offset the shoulders. Plus I got a morticer really cheap.
@@jamiejempson4603 and you get to smash those wedges in 😊
jamie jempson so do I but I have built a horizontal morticing machine really useful from England
Why do they make the styles longer and cut them to size after the glue up?
Kyle you have no idea what your saying use a quality glue these tennons are tight! And extremely accurate
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Can someone please tell me the reason for laminating 2 pieces to make the rails and stiles?? Very curious on this?
A single piece of timber will usually have an inclination to bend or warp one way or the other. By pairing 2 pieces back to back you can greatly reduce or eliminate this tendancy, and your door will stay flat and true for years to come.
I made some doors and windows for my house in Tuscany. (Larch wood). The first window (app. 3" thick) warped badly within a season as the temperatures vary greatly. For subsequent windows and external doors (some up to 8 feet high), I glued together 2 pieces each 1.5" thick. I tried to make sure that the grain of the wood was opposing, and where the wood I used was already slightly warped I was able to make the odd saw-cut to help straighten it out before gluing. The resulting pieces were very strong and 5years later no sign of warping, although there is the odd crack here and there. But the catches and locks still all line up and draught-exclusion isn't compromised.chris snee
+chris snee The idea is to improve the stability of the wood. For further reading, thats the term to look for. Theres a lot more that goes into making a door than is explained in the video. (also a lot more machinery than shown..)
To get the proper thickness without a lot of planing. More stable product, less warping etc. Hope this is still pertinent 3 years later.
Classic hate on this thread! I use Harbor Freight for some things, but if you're serious about ANY trade, you need to buy good tools. Why would i buy a welder from HF or Home Depot just to show my "garage anarchy" by not getting a Big Blue or Red?
Some folks are too eager to be like those idiots remaking AC/DC's Thunderstruck with spoons and bathtubs.
Is the Festool worth it?
It beats the crap out of using pocket holes that I have to fill with putty and re-sand. The time saved with tools that are designed to do the right job can be utilized to do something else.
If you're not counting your own hours when you work, you need to rethink what you're doing. In the end, there isn't a parade and you won't get paid extra for spending all day (like your grandfather did) making a hole.
He said domino so many times I had to order a pizza
Horrible pizza......great tool
The fact that their pizza is horribly bad is not what's most amazing about them, what is most amazing is the fact that they've have flourished and are profitable...
Robbie might want some ear protection
Thank you captain OSHA
Thanks to my domino and my '2200 router. And my jointer, and my thicknesser, and my table saw, and my docking saw in my small shop. And if you spend $25,000 on machinery you too can make this $200.00 because buying machinery automatically endows you with the skills you need to operate the machinery.
Sounds like you have yet to find your path in this life. Keep looking until you find what it is you should be doing.
Very profound. Thank you, I will now change the course of my life based on your pearls.
What's with the haters? i seriously am at a loss to find one fault or design flaw with my Festool gear.
What's with the people who perceive every criticizm as "hate"? Chill, sweetie, because by that standard you are Gary Katz's lover. You don't want that.
Then buy something different. If something is too expensive for you to afford, it's your problem, not the gear's.
Their gear is badass, I just wish I could afford to outfit my rig completely in festool
+Maloy7800
If people have genuine criticism of the tools then they have a point anything else is just hate for some strange reason.
+Scott Kempik
None of this really criticism though. Nobody seems to be referring to a particular problems such as stability or reliability issues.
People seem to be critical of Festool but at the same time do not actually give a reason sort of like all of the anti Trump rhetoric that is going around.
The is Public announcement from FesTools
I was kind of surprised to see the grain of the panels running horizontal instead of vertical.
Artistic licence
Great video / advertisement , but why glue two sheets of plywood together, that’s too much work. Use a sheet of 1/2” and it will be much better then spray adhesive.
Better stability in the panal
Hearing protection...smart!
No respirator... not smart.
"My unbranded biscuit jointer does the same thing"
I assure you, I does not lol.
The only people that knock festool are people to tight to invest in it. Nothing else compares I promise you that
Jack Chapman , do you really feel festool is worth the money? if so why? I am only asking because all my routers are porter cable and bosch
+buzzsaw301
They are worth the money because they offer both speed and quality at the same time. It means professionals can actually speed up their jobs without actually compromising on quality of finish. Bosch, Makita and Dewalt can offer the same but you really need to hand pick and research their products at times they will not have the innovation of Festool.
They are only over priced to those who are not commercial woodworkers.
THISisShilling
I want this tool. I want to build my front door.The doors are too much money . What are those tendons made out of ? PINE, or PLASTIC.
James Weissbach The tool is about 1600 for the set(with dominoes/tenons) plus you need to use a vacuum with it. The tenons are beech or Sipo (for exterior projects). Kind of over kill and costly for one job but I use mine daily. If you just have one door to do, you can do loose tenons with a table saw and router with the help of some quick jigs.
Brian , you are an artist.
jims tools there are now two types, beech and sepele. Sepele is meant for outdoor use.
I just bought the t-75 track saw and its ok but i could show you ways of cutting plywood faster and straight.
Show us then.
If I just don’t listen this guy Gerry it would be a good video
oh and Jason harbor freight does not make this tool or anything like it i assure you
Ear defenders - why doesn't everyone use them when running noisy tools and machinery? One of life's mysteries I guess...
Festool store
I'll stick to traditional
Hhheeehhlike a glove!!!!! 10:02 LOL
The router could have created those mortises as well.
How is this any better than using large dowels?
faster not beter..
Dowels allow twist, dominos do not.
Dowels offer a small straight grain gluing surface. Tenons have a much larger straight grain surface which is much better for glue to hold on to.
You can use dowels or mortise and tenon just the same which have been proven to last 100 plus years. This machine just does the job faster.
Nothing like breathing Douglas-fir
Gary who made the door in this video, you or some smuck from festtools
Nice door but I would of used wood glue too.
At the end he said he was going to take it apart and glue it.
+Jason C. would *have
lifeshort Yes :-)
Good video- but wear a dust mask!
I tuned in to see how to make a door and to listen to the merits of Festool. You should indicate that a video is a commercial for Festool and if you got the tool for free for this purpose. Make some sawdust or be clear about your agenda.
Damn. As soon as I can get $200,000.00 worth of tools like this, I'm gonna build me an $800 door!!!
LOL. In reality, the only thing special here is the Domino. If you have to do a whole house worth of doors and already have a router, sander, and the clamps, you could break even (not counting your time). That would net you a Domino XL but you really have to want to do it.
My greeting from iraq
Please tell people to UNPLUG the tool, e.g., the router in this video, when talking about changing the bit or even touching the bit.
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If people are that stupid telling them won't make a difference
Great tips and tricks. But more of a Festool infomercial than a how to video. Can't justify spending over a grand for a tool I'll use once in a blue moon.