Not exactly, Flanky - while the Emperor didn't want to be worshipped in life, this is because the 40k universe is fueled in large part on belief. If a large enough number of soul-bearing beings believe that something will work, it will work. Thus, if enough of the human race believed that the Chaos Gods did not exist, they would become irrelevant and starve to death. (This is also why most of 40k's ships look like churches - the denizens believe it will protect them from demons, so it does. Also the gellar field, but the church shape doesn't hurt matters). Now that he's dead and the Imperial Cult has spread throughout the Imperium, his soul is persisted in no small part through faith. As such, he IS a god now within the Warp - a god of Order, as it happens. This all depends on how you interpret the lore, of course, but it's undeniable that the Imperium's faith has an effect on the world (see Sisters of Battle).
Eh, no. The Emperor is no God. The only thing keeping him alive is the Golden Throne. Even if all humanity was praising him, he is no god nor can become one. As soon as he dies, he will be devoured, like any human soul.
He is pretty much a terminal pacient in life support in reality, but a God inside the warp. Keeping the imperium somewhat face from demon invasions and allowing warp travel.
"I have neglected to inform the Black Legion of your presence." Seems like that blazing Drop Pod falling from orbit is not enough to notice someone is coming, huh Black Legion? Failbaddon´s finest indeed.
It's just poor relic writing Black Legion is pretty much competent yet with thousands years of experiences this whole we didn't noticed drop pod would apply for world eaters or any other chaos batshit insane warband.
Not canon, but the best possible result for the good guys- this is the only way you can complete the campaign with none of your guys actually betraying the chapter, not even Martellus. Jonah goes out like a boss.
TECHNICALLY, Tarkus doesn't betray the chapter. If anything, he is actually doing everything in his power to vanquish the Black Legion, even going as far as using their own weapons against them. For after all, the only power worth betraying your friends for is the power to save them.
Biel-Tan Dire Avenger Exarch Belegan Tarkus Betrayal is not canon either, though. Play Retribution. Canon is Avitus or Thaddeus Betrayal - most likely Avitus.
Jonah, the man, was no traitor. His body was corrupt, overtaken by a vile daemon, and used to its' own ends. But his soul, that which makes him "him", refused to yield to the Warps' corruption. In the face of eternal damnation, his faith in his brothers and the Emperor did not falter, and at the price of his soul was another triumph over the Ruinous Powers purchased. So say what you will of his possessed body's actions, but do not dare accuse Jonah Orion of heresy.
I accuse him of the highest heresy- heresy against his own humanity, the kind that all imperials commit by denying their true nature and souls to serve the repression and brutality of the imperium in the first place. Heresy against love. Heresy against compassion through the imperial xenophobia. Or did not Christ command us to love our neighbors? The neighbor is not only those on ‘our side’. But most of them don’t have a choice, having been brainwashed since birth or youth, or faced with death if they didn’t convert. Just like the major Abrahamic religions in today’s world, that I’m gonna guess by your profile picture, name, fellating the imperium and self important writing style, you’re quite a fan of. Empire and institutional religion has nothing to do with faith. It’s built and sustained on money, murder, greed, suffering, manipulation, abuse, rape and war and self interest. Faith is not a virtue. Faith is the idealization of your oppressor and the love of your slavery. Faith is giving up your will to hope someone else will save you. Faith is thanking an unseen god for scraps of things the rich men hoard, and thinking it is divinely ordained that you get little and they get much.
No triumph over the ruinous powers was done that day. The ruinous powers are ruinous because the warp reflects thoughts and feelings. The abuse of the imperium creates such trauma and pain and rage in peoples minds and hearts, trillions suffering under a horrific regime, that their reflection in the warp is that of abused minds that want any vengeance they can on their oppressors- the daemons of the warp are malicious because the abusive imperium breeds it.
Recent books are pandering imperial wank that don’t have the ambiguity, nuance and tragedy the setting used to. Rick Priestly back in rogue trader wrote the emperor to be mysterious- that no one knew for sure if he was just a corpse or godlike being etc and took it on faith and superstition
@@matrixtrollmarine Such are the ways of Demons, to lie, corrupt, and ever gnaw at the pillars of faith hoping to drag yet one more soul down with them. Purgation is the only answer.
No, the Wargear you obtain after you redeem the thing you get? It is a definitive awesome proof of the God Emperor's abilities. It also essentially has a field of 'FUCK YOU DAEMONS' projected.
@@icarushelios3935 they’re definitely pushing that angle more now, the Emperor has revived Guilliman during a fight with Mortarion and also burned a portion of Nurgles garden as a threat. He’s borderline becoming a new warp entity if he won’t be reborn. So he does a lot more than just power the astronomicon
This is actually the only betrayal that legit has me sad ;_; Jonah may be a Space Marine and a librarian, but in spite of that, he is still just a human, and too much pain, suffering, and loss will eventually make your mind unravel on itself. All the daemon did was taking advantage of a mind pushed well past it's limits in nothing but faithful service in order to possess a body belonging to someone else, pushing a writhing psyche aside that was screaming in agony. To take advantage of those who suffer for your own selfish purposes is the most vile thing one can ever do, and this perfectly embodies the true evil of Chaos.
What the daemon did was malevolent and evil, but the true evil is not chaos. Chaos embodies the unrestrained nature of our souls, a literal reflection of them. Good and bad and all in between. The imperium’s domination and abuse of humanity twists the thoughts and feelings of people into corruptions of what they should be. In an abusive paradigm, it is impossible to be truly healthy in mind and soul, whether you are an abuser or the abused. And empire is abuse. Does not the imperium take advantage of those who suffer for its own selfish ends? Suffering it creates in the first place? It was the imperium that gave Jonah those wounds, that made his life into nothing but slavery, made him from a child forced to fight for his life into a tool for war, just like every space marine. Daemons are created from the abused thoughts and feelings of mortals- when they are malevolent, it is because they are made of malevolence. They are simply going with their nature. But the fascist despots of the imperium consciously continue oppressing people despite the human soul that still have love and compassion screaming out deep inside them... just like Jonah and the daemon. If humanity was naturally imperial, the imperium would not have to threaten, colonize, enslave, brainwash lobotomies etc their way to getting obedience.
I truly felt sad seeing Jonah die here, he fought so hard with the complete brunt of the hivemind and in the end. Fought the Daemon to allow his own death to his brothers
5:43, "The man who has nothing, can still have faith."-Tarkus God I love that quote from Tarkus. That quote needs to work somewhat in real life somehow. That could really cheer someone up, or move people to tears.
That quote doesn’t work in real life. Can faith feed you when you have no food? Can it shelter you from the rain when you don’t have a house? Faith can do many amazing things. But when you have nothing, faith is more false hope. Especially when it’s in the religion of dictators who will never care for or save you.
General Strawberry They kinda ruined it in the VF by not altering his normal voice. Or, maybe it was done to not reveal the possession matter too soon.
"Your Emperor is but a corpse on a throne who can't protect anyone!" *Big E casually appearing in the Warp, burning the Gardens of Nurgle, and harming Nurgle himself*: Por Que?
I agree; Jonah was still pure despite being posessed. I mean Martellus' betrayal is Ok but it has a flaw such as him fixing your terminator armor; what traitor would do that? If they were gonna make Martellus turn on you if no one else is corrupted; you'd think that they could make things a little different in the chaos rising campaign such as maybe Martellus actually lies about not being able to fix the equipment but he really planned to give it to the black legion etc
Martellus betraying you makes no sense at all because he's the *only* reason you find out who the traitor is. They just wanted an option where you don't lose any of your squads if you put all the effort in.
No it could only be Avitus. Tarkus says it was someone he fought along side on Kronus. That leaves only Avitus or Davian Thule, they were the only ones on Kronus. Thaddeus' first crusade was Aurelia.
I personally think that the Daemon's statement about killing Jonah Orion is unfortunately true, being that the Emperor IS a corpse on a throne, neither dead or alive. We ain't even sure if he had the power to influence the warp anymore than just as a interstellar lighthouse. And besides, even if he could destroy suns with the snap of his fingers, i doubt even a psychic demigod could protect increasing millions of souls of the faithful after they died in the Warp
Are you expecting a Daemon to tell you the truth? Well heres the real truth, everything in the warp is fuelled by the emotions and belief of all sentient life forms. People believe in the Emperor, millions. The Chaos Gods are powerful thanks to emotion, so how powerful do you think the Emperor is when he has the faith of the billions upon billions who worship him? The Emperor can and does protect souls from the Chaos Gods, just as the Eldar Gods did.
Dark Crusade -> Soulstorm -> DoW II -> DoW II CR He died right? So all that time they *didn't* bother to replace him, or does training to become a Chaplain take that long?
@@MarvinT0606 I think Kyras deliberately held back with assigning Chaplains, and since he is the Chapter Master, he is in the prime position to forestall candidates for chaplaincy. We already know Kyras was corrupted by Chaos a long time ago, and his actions throughout DoW2 hinted that he plans to corrupt the entire chapter in service to the Ruinous Powers. Obviously, since loyalty and faith to the Emperor are qualities for chaplaincy, Kyras sees them as a threat to his plans. Once again, Kyras is the Chapter Master, and has the power to deny the chaplaincy replacement candidates, so as the chaplaincy gets weaker, the rest of the chapter are more susceptible to corruption as a result.
Will Jonah's soul be safe? Surely the Daemon can't take it with him since he never willingly consigned it over to Chaos.... Lord have mercy on Jonah.....
At the very least Jonah Orion died a loyal servant of the God-Emperor to his final breath, that which cannot be said of Isador Akios, Sindri Myr's pawn.
Considering how the lore is unravelling, that "just a corpse on a throne" description of the emps didn't age too well. This little cretin of a demon lol
can he technically be a traitor if he's being possessed and not really in control of his own actions, i mean its one thing to betray someone willingly, but what if he isn't technically the "person" doing it?
There are many Space Marines who slowly fall even though it is not their fault, yet they Martyr themselves to redeem themselves in the Emperor's eyes and stop further damage, saving themselves from things like the Black Rage, or the Space Wolves' gene seed corruption. Although it was Kyras who made the possession possible, Jonah still went along with it until he could take it no longer. He did not even report it to the Blood Ravens in public.
don't know if anyone here reads white dwarf, but the did a timeline on the imperium in one issue and part of it they revealed that the mechanicum have discovered part of the golden throne has failed to function, and is not repairable. so this may signal either the rise or fall of the emperor.....
@503leafy A question. Right now the emperor sits on the throne right? Also, it is said that his spiritual body is fighting inside the warp to fight against the horror in the warp so that Humanity can have a safer warp travel. Is it? If so, then would that mean Jonah can be rescued in the warp?
Yeah, smart ol' Gabriel. Hairgel used the means of chaos to complete his quest and Angelos sending him into the Eye for a century. Yeah, pretty sure that he won't become corrupted.
@KopritheStormtrooper well,in chaos rising you have corruption which you influence by doing corruption/redeeming missions or wearing corrupt or pure armor/accesories.whoever has the highest corruption at a certain point in the game becomes the traitor.no,its not repeated it was filmed several times,but the person who was the most corrupt changed so we can have the full image of the game
@Rocketfist15 hehe you forgot about Isha the Eldar Goddess of life and fertility. She is the only Eldar deity to survive the wrath of Slaanesh due to Nurgle intervention. He saw the beautiful goddess and instantly fell in love with her then saved her from the newborn Slaanesh, after that he dragged her to his realm as his bride. She remains in Nurgle's realm to this day in a rusty cage near his brewing pot. He constantly force feeds her the labor of his love.
Thoughts have power in the warp, and as such so does faith. Faith is what sustains the Emperor as he fights the chaos gods in the warp. The more people demons convince that the Emperor is not a god, the truer it becomes and the more likely that they will eventually destroy him. It's like destroying supply lines: you don't knock down a citadel when you do it, but you DO make it easier to take. That's my interpretation, anyway. ... also, it's true for his physical body.
If Hairgel does come back under the banner of Chaos I won't accept it unless he's the second in command to Warmaster Eliphas. That way he can pull a SINDRIIIIIIIIIIII.
attention:jonah has been elminated as the traitor.in retribution game trailer he say:''the warp screams all around us'' and is shown attacking chaos marines with psychich energy.and with martellus and cyrus also in retributiion,this leaves tarkus thaddeus and avitus as possible traitors.
1) Commander. He's only a captain in the fully pure ending, which can't be the case if anyone besides Martellus was the traitor. 2) Most likely the neutral ending is canon - he went on a crusade of absolution into the eye of terror.
@CaptainPengu Only three gods of the Elder Phaethon survived the fall. Khaine who was later then shattered to several pieces when Slaanesh and Khorne fought over him. The Laughing god who fled to the webway. Isha who disappeared during the event, but was not claimed by the prince of excess. This tale explains her disappearance and also how the mortal races manage to combat the many diseases and plagues Nurgle unleashes on the galaxy.
I just had a horrible realization: Every player uses Stimulants to keep their squads alive. Players use them dozens of time every mission. Thats a lot of STIMULATION. And no one loves stimulation more than SLANEESH. The commander and his squads shall fall to SLANEESH!
@Rocketfist15 I pledge my allegiance to the glorious Star Gods! All this galaxy and all who dwell within it belong to them. With their dark power they will reshape the galaxy into a bastion of suffering and death. Their brand of evil surpasses the inferior upstart Chaos Gods. The day will come when the Star Gods will ultimately purge this galaxy of all the warp sealing off the Chaos Gods and making the galaxy a perfect banquet to stage their ravenous feast on all the mortal races.
Hairgel just mildly tainted, but after 100 years in the Eye, there is a high chance that next time he return to the Imperium, he'll do it under the banner of chaos.
Maybe once the Golden Throne fails and he inevitably becomes a new warp god from all the Imperium's belief. After all, the Sisters are going around spraying manifest evidence of the Emperor's powers, and the Warp's the only source of out and out magic like that in 40K.
@Rocketfist15 Was just kidding with the nice guy part. XD Nurgle's idea of being ''nice'' is to spread his plagues to all the galaxy to free it from hope and make the entire galaxy accept the futility of death and decay. Ulkair the great unclean one is one of many of nurgle's servants and perhaps one of the powerful ones too. Too bad Ulkair's plan to turn Aurelia to a daemon world and offer it Nurgle has failed, maybe he will get another chance to do so when he is realised again.
@beastclaw33 definately thaddeus,he struck a deal with Ukair during the last stand mission at the final campiagn mission of DOW2. Ukair promised that he will be grant power beyond imagination and that they needed help to destroy the tyranids. I declare Thaddeus a regenade =/,pity i though the Traitor would be a character but well no offical details of the traitor should be Thaddeus though
"Jonah is right here, infant... I can hear him screaming."
One of the most chilling lines of any Dawn of War game. And perfectly delivered.
Calling a space marine - a demigod of war in any other setting - an "infant." God, that's why I love the 40k universe.
@@TheSonOfDumb That too, but
"I can hear him screaming"
is so friggen RAW
The fact that Thaddeus himself called out the entity as not a 'who' but a 'what' also sends an extra chill to me.
Jonah orion lost his body, but his soul was not conquered. he was loyal to the end, even when possessed. True loyalty to the emperor.
lore wise the emperor in life promoted atheism sayng that humanity needs no gods so chances are Orion is now feeding the chaos gods
Not exactly, Flanky - while the Emperor didn't want to be worshipped in life, this is because the 40k universe is fueled in large part on belief. If a large enough number of soul-bearing beings believe that something will work, it will work. Thus, if enough of the human race believed that the Chaos Gods did not exist, they would become irrelevant and starve to death. (This is also why most of 40k's ships look like churches - the denizens believe it will protect them from demons, so it does. Also the gellar field, but the church shape doesn't hurt matters).
Now that he's dead and the Imperial Cult has spread throughout the Imperium, his soul is persisted in no small part through faith. As such, he IS a god now within the Warp - a god of Order, as it happens. This all depends on how you interpret the lore, of course, but it's undeniable that the Imperium's faith has an effect on the world (see Sisters of Battle).
HalfTangible
you make an interesting point i will think about this it is true tho that the warp worcks exacly as you describe
Eh, no. The Emperor is no God. The only thing keeping him alive is the Golden Throne. Even if all humanity was praising him, he is no god nor can become one. As soon as he dies, he will be devoured, like any human soul.
He is pretty much a terminal pacient in life support in reality, but a God inside the warp. Keeping the imperium somewhat face from demon invasions and allowing warp travel.
"I have neglected to inform the Black Legion of your presence." Seems like that blazing Drop Pod falling from orbit is not enough to notice someone is coming, huh Black Legion? Failbaddon´s finest indeed.
Gerojsk Neah, I'm sure that happens every day.. twice on Sunday.
It's just poor relic writing Black Legion is pretty much competent yet with thousands years of experiences this whole we didn't noticed drop pod would apply for world eaters or any other chaos batshit insane warband.
Could have assumed it was one of theirs, or other Blood Raven Traitors.
@@Pancombine18 poor 'relic' writing.. heh.. *Sure*
The man who has nothing can still have faith.
Oneof the greatest Tarkus lines ever.
It's from DoW1, in the screen which pop when you want to quit the game
"the man who has nothing, can still have faith" bruh that's hella inspirational
Thats the space marines for you
Yeah who doesn’t want to be a brainwashed child soldier with no life outside of war /s
Not canon, but the best possible result for the good guys- this is the only way you can complete the campaign with none of your guys actually betraying the chapter, not even Martellus. Jonah goes out like a boss.
TECHNICALLY, Tarkus doesn't betray the chapter. If anything, he is actually doing everything in his power to vanquish the Black Legion, even going as far as using their own weapons against them. For after all, the only power worth betraying your friends for is the power to save them.
Biel-Tan Dire Avenger Exarch Belegan Tarkus Betrayal is not canon either, though. Play Retribution. Canon is Avitus or Thaddeus Betrayal - most likely Avitus.
Arktos Ursus Well, yah.
But we're not exactly talking about canon here, just which of the Betrayals we dub to be most kickass.
Arktos Ursus Not even maybe Thaddeus- Avitus is the confirmed canonical traitor.
+Arktos Ursus in the cannon it is avitus who betrays the chapters for marcelus remains with the chapter.
Jonah, the man, was no traitor.
His body was corrupt, overtaken by a vile daemon, and used to its' own ends.
But his soul, that which makes him "him", refused to yield to the Warps' corruption. In the face of eternal damnation, his faith in his brothers and the Emperor did not falter, and at the price of his soul was another triumph over the Ruinous Powers purchased.
So say what you will of his possessed body's actions, but do not dare accuse Jonah Orion of heresy.
"I see, you do nothing. It is Jonah."
He fights you still daemon.
That exchange captured just how bad-ass Jonah Orion is.
The Wargear obtained is basically a giant 'FUCK YOU DAEMONS' field.
I accuse him of the highest heresy- heresy against his own humanity, the kind that all imperials commit by denying their true nature and souls to serve the repression and brutality of the imperium in the first place. Heresy against love. Heresy against compassion through the imperial xenophobia. Or did not Christ command us to love our neighbors? The neighbor is not only those on ‘our side’. But most of them don’t have a choice, having been brainwashed since birth or youth, or faced with death if they didn’t convert. Just like the major Abrahamic religions in today’s world, that I’m gonna guess by your profile picture, name, fellating the imperium and self important writing style, you’re quite a fan of. Empire and institutional religion has nothing to do with faith. It’s built and sustained on money, murder, greed, suffering, manipulation, abuse, rape and war and self interest. Faith is not a virtue. Faith is the idealization of your oppressor and the love of your slavery. Faith is giving up your will to hope someone else will save you. Faith is thanking an unseen god for scraps of things the rich men hoard, and thinking it is divinely ordained that you get little and they get much.
No triumph over the ruinous powers was done that day. The ruinous powers are ruinous because the warp reflects thoughts and feelings. The abuse of the imperium creates such trauma and pain and rage in peoples minds and hearts, trillions suffering under a horrific regime, that their reflection in the warp is that of abused minds that want any vengeance they can on their oppressors- the daemons of the warp are malicious because the abusive imperium breeds it.
@@alisonpurgatory85 actually the demons were born after the war of heavens and the imperium of today is a blip in cruelty when compared to that time
The only traitor ending that doesn't result in Avitus freaking out.
Shows how good this was.
Avitus is true traitor
I love how the demon straight up lets the BR's attack the Chaos guys for shits and giggles. Poor, dumb Black Legion...
Daemon: Nothing can save Jonah Orion.
Tarkus: The Emperor, protects.
Daemon: pft*
Tarkus: Matt Wards Kaldor Draigo
Daemon; NO!
I love how whenever someone mentions the Emperor,the daemons keep yelling at them that he's just a corpse on a throne.
because he is
@@matrixtrollmarine recent books dispute that for a corpse on a throne he evaporates deamons very well with just his attention shifted to them
The dark gods are very fearful of the emperor, even in the 42 millennium.
Recent books are pandering imperial wank that don’t have the ambiguity, nuance and tragedy the setting used to. Rick Priestly back in rogue trader wrote the emperor to be mysterious- that no one knew for sure if he was just a corpse or godlike being etc and took it on faith and superstition
@@matrixtrollmarine Such are the ways of Demons, to lie, corrupt, and ever gnaw at the pillars of faith hoping to drag yet one more soul down with them. Purgation is the only answer.
"A man who has nothing can still have faith"
Years down the line, that still moves me to tears.
2:58 Araghast the Pillager:"ELIPHAS OPEN THE PORTAL!"
SSSSSSSSSINDRIIIIIIIII
No.
No I think not
It was that line at the end that made Tarkus my favorite squad in the game.
+Theodore Hodbor I really hope he became captain of 3rd company.
This might sound strange, but Tarkus aint a squad, boy! He tries, though.
"Jonah Orion has proven himself true".
*Manly tears mode ON*
May the Emperor accept his soul at his side.
For some reason, I find it to be hilarious when the deamon screams: "Mend , accursed flesh, MEND!"
Saddest part is that Jonah probably in fact ended up being dragged in the warp.
No, the Wargear you obtain after you redeem the thing you get? It is a definitive awesome proof of the God Emperor's abilities. It also essentially has a field of 'FUCK YOU DAEMONS' projected.
It's possible that the Emperor does protect all human souls as he's like half-75% god
@@icarushelios3935 they’re definitely pushing that angle more now, the Emperor has revived Guilliman during a fight with Mortarion and also burned a portion of Nurgles garden as a threat. He’s borderline becoming a new warp entity if he won’t be reborn. So he does a lot more than just power the astronomicon
Silence heretic.
call the commissar what the fuck is this
This is actually the only betrayal that legit has me sad ;_;
Jonah may be a Space Marine and a librarian, but in spite of that, he is still just a human, and too much pain, suffering, and loss will eventually make your mind unravel on itself. All the daemon did was taking advantage of a mind pushed well past it's limits in nothing but faithful service in order to possess a body belonging to someone else, pushing a writhing psyche aside that was screaming in agony. To take advantage of those who suffer for your own selfish purposes is the most vile thing one can ever do, and this perfectly embodies the true evil of Chaos.
What the daemon did was malevolent and evil, but the true evil is not chaos. Chaos embodies the unrestrained nature of our souls, a literal reflection of them. Good and bad and all in between. The imperium’s domination and abuse of humanity twists the thoughts and feelings of people into corruptions of what they should be. In an abusive paradigm, it is impossible to be truly healthy in mind and soul, whether you are an abuser or the abused. And empire is abuse. Does not the imperium take advantage of those who suffer for its own selfish ends? Suffering it creates in the first place? It was the imperium that gave Jonah those wounds, that made his life into nothing but slavery, made him from a child forced to fight for his life into a tool for war, just like every space marine. Daemons are created from the abused thoughts and feelings of mortals- when they are malevolent, it is because they are made of malevolence. They are simply going with their nature. But the fascist despots of the imperium consciously continue oppressing people despite the human soul that still have love and compassion screaming out deep inside them... just like Jonah and the daemon. If humanity was naturally imperial, the imperium would not have to threaten, colonize, enslave, brainwash lobotomies etc their way to getting obedience.
"I WILL BUILD MY THRONE FROM YOUR BONES!" - heck of a threat, I like it :D
I truly felt sad seeing Jonah die here, he fought so hard with the complete brunt of the hivemind and in the end. Fought the Daemon to allow his own death to his brothers
5:43, "The man who has nothing, can still have faith."-Tarkus
God I love that quote from Tarkus. That quote needs to work somewhat in real life somehow. That could really cheer someone up, or move people to tears.
That quote doesn’t work in real life. Can faith feed you when you have no food? Can it shelter you from the rain when you don’t have a house? Faith can do many amazing things. But when you have nothing, faith is more false hope. Especially when it’s in the religion of dictators who will never care for or save you.
its a classic warhammer 40k line.
Jonah sounds less like a Chaos Marine and more like he's been infested by the Zerg.
Fullmetal Gamer Well he did say in the pre mission vox that he was possessed.
Still sounds badass.
General Strawberry They kinda ruined it in the VF by not altering his normal voice.
Or, maybe it was done to not reveal the possession matter too soon.
Infested marine.
For me, he just sound like CABAL
Imagine how surprised I was to see him in Retribution after getting this outcome in Chaos Rising
Jonah never become traitor. He was betrayed!
"Your Emperor is but a corpse on a throne who can't protect anyone!"
*Big E casually appearing in the Warp, burning the Gardens of Nurgle, and harming Nurgle himself*: Por Que?
I agree; Jonah was still pure despite being posessed. I mean Martellus' betrayal is Ok but it has a flaw such as him fixing your terminator armor; what traitor would do that? If they were gonna make Martellus turn on you if no one else is corrupted; you'd think that they could make things a little different in the chaos rising campaign such as maybe Martellus actually lies about not being able to fix the equipment but he really planned to give it to the black legion etc
or better yet he sabotaged it so by the time he's found out your terminator Armour is all permanently destroyed
Martellus betraying you makes no sense at all because he's the *only* reason you find out who the traitor is. They just wanted an option where you don't lose any of your squads if you put all the effort in.
"We know Jonah is in our commlink, so let me explain my plan over it real fast."
I always hate that item that spawns during a cutscene and you cant collect it
the game automaticaly collects them for you
@@mojewjewjew4420 it didnt for me
@@chickentendies5215 Then stop pirating chinese bootleg ver of the game XD
@@mojewjewjew4420 lol what. I bought it when the whole series was on sale
@@chickentendies5215 Joke - - - -
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No it could only be Avitus. Tarkus says it was someone he fought along side on Kronus. That leaves only Avitus or Davian Thule, they were the only ones on Kronus. Thaddeus' first crusade was Aurelia.
And this is why Tarkus is my fav sargeant . "The man who has nothing can still have faith"
Poor Jonah. He was a victim, really. His body was a vessel used to infiltrate the Blood Ravens. One of the better storylines.
"The Emperor protects the souls of the faithful..."
The man who has nothing, can still have faith.
I personally think that the Daemon's statement about killing Jonah Orion is unfortunately true, being that the Emperor IS a corpse on a throne, neither dead or alive. We ain't even sure if he had the power to influence the warp anymore than just as a interstellar lighthouse. And besides, even if he could destroy suns with the snap of his fingers, i doubt even a psychic demigod could protect increasing millions of souls of the faithful after they died in the Warp
Without faith, what are we?
Sash13 Faithless 😎
Are you expecting a Daemon to tell you the truth? Well heres the real truth, everything in the warp is fuelled by the emotions and belief of all sentient life forms. People believe in the Emperor, millions. The Chaos Gods are powerful thanks to emotion, so how powerful do you think the Emperor is when he has the faith of the billions upon billions who worship him?
The Emperor can and does protect souls from the Chaos Gods, just as the Eldar Gods did.
Amen Brother
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS HERETIC!
Why the fuck doesn't the 4th Company have a *CHAPLAIN* along? This was a preventable tragedy.
MarvinT they had, it was Mikelus, that reclusiarch in dark crusade.
Dark Crusade -> Soulstorm -> DoW II -> DoW II CR
He died right? So all that time they *didn't* bother to replace him, or does training to become a Chaplain take that long?
@@MarvinT0606 I think Kyras deliberately held back with assigning Chaplains, and since he is the Chapter Master, he is in the prime position to forestall candidates for chaplaincy. We already know Kyras was corrupted by Chaos a long time ago, and his actions throughout DoW2 hinted that he plans to corrupt the entire chapter in service to the Ruinous Powers. Obviously, since loyalty and faith to the Emperor are qualities for chaplaincy, Kyras sees them as a threat to his plans. Once again, Kyras is the Chapter Master, and has the power to deny the chaplaincy replacement candidates, so as the chaplaincy gets weaker, the rest of the chapter are more susceptible to corruption as a result.
They planned for him to be in the game, but he was cut
Only problem with that is you'll end up losing him. With martellus, it's as if you hadn't lost anybody.
Poor Jonah he didnt deserve his soul to be casted in the Warp and devoured like that :(.
He didn’t deserve to be brainwashed into a slave of the imperium in the first place
2:57 you fkin line stealer
I AM THE OVERMIND
I CONTROL THE GROOVE
Most scary betrayal
Second saddest after Tarkus
DarksaberForce what about Avitus?
Will Jonah's soul be safe? Surely the Daemon can't take it with him since he never willingly consigned it over to Chaos.... Lord have mercy on Jonah.....
Id love to see that. "Commander, hes making his escape!"
"Shouldn't be too hard, all he can really do is waddle..."
Who says we do? Rest in peace, Jonah Orion, the Emperor Protects.
idk second time on DOW when librarian is a traitor :)
Yh but this isn't cannon so🤷🏾♂️
this is the only worthwhile and meaningful tragedy in the entire dawn of war franchise.
At the very least Jonah Orion died a loyal servant of the God-Emperor to his final breath, that which cannot be said of Isador Akios, Sindri Myr's pawn.
I wonder if Emperor can truly saves loyal Marines soul from the Warp in his current state.
He never could. He just eats them to fuel his narcissistic empire.
Jonah goes to Warp: YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!
no truer words then that.
Expect the Black Legion to be ready for you. So it is an even fight.
Did you have to play this game several times from the beginning to show these videos? By the way nice job.
@Shaqman i think its the terminator armour "Blessed Cage". But you need to be full pure to wear it.
and many a manly tear was shed that day
Tarkus is a Good marine. It's rare enough that it could be considered a chapter in its own right.
Considering how the lore is unravelling, that "just a corpse on a throne" description of the emps didn't age too well. This little cretin of a demon lol
of all the betrayals i think jonahs is the most intresting to get to see the resoults of demonic possession just awessome
Hmmm, a librarians life is difficult, since the tain of chaos grows more relentless.
can he technically be a traitor if he's being possessed and not really in control of his own actions, i mean its one thing to betray someone willingly, but what if he isn't technically the "person" doing it?
@SkysFantasy the drop pods contain teleport signals. they beam themselves down instead of squeezing in, only the blood ravens do that though.
There are many Space Marines who slowly fall even though it is not their fault, yet they Martyr themselves to redeem themselves in the Emperor's eyes and stop further damage, saving themselves from things like the Black Rage, or the Space Wolves' gene seed corruption. Although it was Kyras who made the possession possible, Jonah still went along with it until he could take it no longer. He did not even report it to the Blood Ravens in public.
don't know if anyone here reads white dwarf, but the did a timeline on the imperium in one issue and part of it they revealed that the mechanicum have discovered part of the golden throne has failed to function, and is not repairable. so this may signal either the rise or fall of the emperor.....
@503leafy A question. Right now the emperor sits on the throne right? Also, it is said that his spiritual body is fighting inside the warp to fight against the horror in the warp so that Humanity can have a safer warp travel. Is it? If so, then would that mean Jonah can be rescued in the warp?
No luckily. I had a saved game from the level before the betrayal and would just corrupt whoever I needed.
How do the blood ravens not realize that jonah's possessed when he first speaks at the start of this mission?
Davian Thule and Jonah Orion, the 2 party members who were too awesome to have a name ending in "us"
his one of us now he will join chaos
Yeah, smart ol' Gabriel. Hairgel used the means of chaos to complete his quest and Angelos sending him into the Eye for a century. Yeah, pretty sure that he won't become corrupted.
This is the only betrayl ending that I felt sadness for.
jonas battled the hive mind psychically, only one librarian can do that, and he is varro tigerius of the ultramarines
@KopritheStormtrooper well,in chaos rising you have corruption which you influence by doing corruption/redeeming missions or wearing corrupt or pure armor/accesories.whoever has the highest corruption at a certain point in the game becomes the traitor.no,its not repeated it was filmed several times,but the person who was the most corrupt changed so we can have the full image of the game
Holy crap. Cyrus is all sadistic and stuff, and Jonas is all demon voice go.
@Rocketfist15
hehe you forgot about Isha the Eldar Goddess of life and fertility. She is the only Eldar deity to survive the wrath of Slaanesh due to Nurgle intervention.
He saw the beautiful goddess and instantly fell in love with her then saved her from the newborn Slaanesh, after that he dragged her to his realm as his bride.
She remains in Nurgle's realm to this day in a rusty cage near his brewing pot. He constantly force feeds her the labor of his love.
So Jonah is chaos-proof, but they still took over his body.
Thoughts have power in the warp, and as such so does faith. Faith is what sustains the Emperor as he fights the chaos gods in the warp. The more people demons convince that the Emperor is not a god, the truer it becomes and the more likely that they will eventually destroy him. It's like destroying supply lines: you don't knock down a citadel when you do it, but you DO make it easier to take.
That's my interpretation, anyway.
... also, it's true for his physical body.
Just because he doesn't say anything doesn't mean he has nothing to say.
I can't help but feel that since Jonah never actually fell this should have been the full purity traitor.
Well said Tarkus, well said.
Jonah Orion to Thaddeus: Child.
Daemon Jonah to Thaddeus: Infant.
Not so different really.
I wish Jonah's voice wasn't modified at all. It would be creepier that way.
If Hairgel does come back under the banner of Chaos I won't accept it unless he's the second in command to Warmaster Eliphas. That way he can pull a SINDRIIIIIIIIIIII.
attention:jonah has been elminated as the traitor.in retribution game trailer he say:''the warp screams all around us'' and is shown attacking chaos marines with psychich energy.and with martellus and cyrus also in retributiion,this leaves tarkus thaddeus and avitus as possible traitors.
1) Commander. He's only a captain in the fully pure ending, which can't be the case if anyone besides Martellus was the traitor.
2) Most likely the neutral ending is canon - he went on a crusade of absolution into the eye of terror.
@CaptainPengu
Only three gods of the Elder Phaethon survived the fall.
Khaine who was later then shattered to several pieces when Slaanesh and Khorne fought over him.
The Laughing god who fled to the webway.
Isha who disappeared during the event, but was not claimed by the prince of excess. This tale explains her disappearance and also how the mortal races manage to combat the many diseases and plagues Nurgle unleashes on the galaxy.
i like the music in this betrayal
oh I remember on a forum some1 said avitus was the canon traitor. thats why the traitor voice sounds like him.
We'll see in upcoming Dawn of War 3 Hair-esy.
I just had a horrible realization: Every player uses Stimulants to keep their squads alive. Players use them dozens of time every mission. Thats a lot of STIMULATION. And no one loves stimulation more than SLANEESH. The commander and his squads shall fall to SLANEESH!
Jonah died like a true man. But in vain. ALL HAIL CHAOS!
You lie heretic! The Emperor Protects!
@@Cooptroop95 *The comment ressurects from the freaking dead*
Nice to see a comment from when I was 15 years fucking old. XD
@Rocketfist15
I pledge my allegiance to the glorious Star Gods!
All this galaxy and all who dwell within it belong to them. With their dark power they will reshape the galaxy into a bastion of suffering and death.
Their brand of evil surpasses the inferior upstart Chaos Gods. The day will come when the Star Gods will ultimately purge this galaxy of all the warp sealing off the Chaos Gods and making the galaxy a perfect banquet to stage their ravenous feast on all the mortal races.
Hairgel just mildly tainted, but after 100 years in the Eye, there is a high chance that next time he return to the Imperium, he'll do it under the banner of chaos.
Maybe once the Golden Throne fails and he inevitably becomes a new warp god from all the Imperium's belief.
After all, the Sisters are going around spraying manifest evidence of the Emperor's powers, and the Warp's the only source of out and out magic like that in 40K.
Terminator squads look so fucking sick.
@Rocketfist15
Was just kidding with the nice guy part. XD
Nurgle's idea of being ''nice'' is to spread his plagues to all the galaxy to free it from hope and make the entire galaxy accept the futility of death and decay.
Ulkair the great unclean one is one of many of nurgle's servants and perhaps one of the powerful ones too. Too bad Ulkair's plan to turn Aurelia to a daemon world and offer it Nurgle has failed, maybe he will get another chance to do so when he is realised again.
@ShaunCarlin The Red Canves - 18 - Ballet for Brawlers
Yes
Can you reupload with before the mission dialogue?
And maybe in 4K even?
@beastclaw33 definately thaddeus,he struck a deal with Ukair during the last stand mission at the final campiagn mission of DOW2. Ukair promised that he will be grant power beyond imagination and that they needed help to destroy the tyranids. I declare Thaddeus a regenade =/,pity i though the Traitor would be a character but well no offical details of the traitor should be Thaddeus though
Oh, one more thing. It will be Martellus if all other are on purity.
It's a crusade of absolution, not a vacation :P He can't allow the chaos-corrupted to continue serving in his ranks, can he?