Patches on the Fly // Vintage tones from the Behringer Vintage
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2024
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Creating some classic patches from scratch on the Behringer Vintage plugin synth to demo the functionality, workflow, signal flow etc ...
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Very nice patches from scratch !
You have a very good hear and great knowledge on synthz, it's a pleasure to watch your videos !
Superb demo as always !
Thanks, glad you liked it.
Reminds me of the Tone2 Saurus. I love that VST
Its Analog from Ableton with the Saurus UI
I would spend good money to have a synth with this exact UI in real life.
That 'd be a screen like a decent PC monitor 😉
Imagine it downscaled, it'd be more realistic, think MPC, round about 1 1/2 x the width of the screen on MPC One or Live, that's actually not a bad concept at all!
I would say that this is an interesting synthesizer for layering - with its help, you can structure various analog sound additions, afterthoughts. This will enliven the composition, give it weight and meaning. A good helper! But it's not for commercial electronic music.
Thanks for reviewing that so I don't have to! :D Sorry you lost your patches. An odd bug to ship with / a good way to scare away potential user-base.
i downloaded vintage and registered it. I can use it as a standalone on Mac desktop, but when I open the AU instrument inside of Garage band, it says its not registered and can not hear it. it says to register it in the stand alone version but did not help. Any suggestions?
I suspect the name will make a little more sense once they’ve released the rest of the soft-synths that they’re working on. This is presumably the most vintage-ish of the lot.
yeh possibly.
Sounds nothing like analog or vintage!
@@PedroMiguel-if3ll How so?
@@PedroMiguel-if3ll it's like trying to represent an hyperbolic curve with an expression: y=x²
They don't look the same, but...
On Behringers own channel they say its available in AAX format but I certainly couldn't find it?
No AAX available when I installed either.
@@StarskyCarr How can they get their own info so very very wrong.
So I did this: I open this plugin in my Ableton. Sounds clearly less than in the videos. So I downloaded the sound of the video (from colleague reviewer Tiger Arcade because of him using an original preset) and put that in an audio track. Extracted the MIDI to make it play the same notes. Strangely enough that sounds much better. For starters, higher volume. I also understood YT provides some compression. They are both in the same DAW, and all knobs and parameters are the same in my VST as in the video (same preset, no changes) Anyone a clue? PS: I was on my way to recreate a Behringer preset in Ableton's Analog.
Behringer tries to shock you with this Vst 😂😂😂but thier analog synthesizers are incredible ❤😅
I'm kinda confused by this.There are moments which I say ok it sounds analog and other times that I say what is this thin crap ? :P
Big Up !!!! I'm totaly found of Tal NoiZMakEr !!!
Yeah its a great little synth.. for free is amazing
Check out the Six Traq from Full Bucket!
This synnth sounds cool! However, it is ridiculously heavy on the GPU. When the inteface is open all other graphics are suddenly stopping or almost stopping. There is something wrong with the resizability of this as well. Or maybe these are related?
sounds surprisingly Prophetish to me. thanks Starsky for testing it for me ;-) but, how is the keybed?
Unique. It has polyphonic AT, but you have to pull the keys up for it. ;)
🤣🤣
Like my deepmind 12
Oh dear. Thanks for sharing your experience though!
Yeah, it needs a bit of attention, but for free you can't grumble. Not sure why they released when its not ready - there must be a grand plan underway.
@@StarskyCarr I'm curious if they'd consider releasing some complementary hardware (just in desktop format...don't need the keyboard). But the UX still needs some work. Any hardware would need physical envelope knobs at a minimum. My old ears don't care too much these days if it's real analog or a VST...but I still like to grab and twist things.
@@StarskyCarr I also want to dig into the dual filters to see if it's possible to get into OSCar territory
@@scratchanitch the OSCar isnt something that springs to mind when you play it.. thought I guess its got some crossover. The big one for me on the OSCar is the additive oscillator
Which reverb do you use @starsky?
Eventide Blackhole plugin. I just throw it in the default settings and reduce the mix and size a little. Always does a great job on these demos.
OK, following along. there is no default or init preset? You had to make one yourself? BTW i noticed the preset it starts up with already takes up 10% CPU. I rarely score that number, generally when I have already twenty tracks and lots of effects.
I couldn’t find an initial patch - but there may be a way to quickly bring one up. I just haven’t found it!
@@StarskyCarr OK, from the Abacus preset you can go rather easily to the Ableton Analog init preset (the settings Analog opens with without presets):
In the Abacus preset:
Disable: VCF2, VCA2, Unison, Vibrato
VCA1:
Change Pan to 0,
in the VCA1 display change Sustain to 0.50, Release to 500 ms.
VCO1:
Set waveform to sawtooth.
Set 1VCF2 to 0.
In the VCO1 display change (Pitch Env) Time to 50%, Pulse Width Width to 50%, Pulse Width LFO1 to 0.
VCF1:
Set ENV to 4.0, Cutoff to 22000.0
In the VCF1 display: set Decay to 626 ms, Sustain to 0.50, S. Time to 1000.0, Release to 250 ms SVF Slope to 24dB, and Cutoff Mod LFO1 to 0.
This should do the job.
Save as 'init' in your user presets, of course 😉
As far as I can see (but there are about 170 parameters in both synths) the settings should be same. Still they sound not really the same.
Found it. Analog starts with two oscillators. The two together have a different effect in both synths. Switch OSC/VCO2 off and they sound pretty similar.
@@StarskyCarr Final remark, working om the above, I noticed some peculiarities, that turned out to one 'bug': when you hoover over some of the knobs they show a value that does not correspond to their position/setting. I think it shows the 'neutral'/no effect value (for instance 22kHz on the LP filter cutoff). When you click on the knob the real setting appears.
Some discussion on KvR that this is just a re-skinned version of another plugin that for the life of me I can't remember the name of right now. Also looks a LOT like tone2 Saurus (dials, etc). Saurus totally underrated btw. Would love to see you do a vid on that one. edit: not sure what happened to that thread but there is a new one and the one I was thinking of was Analog from Ableton Live. edit 2: oh...AAS Ultra Analog was the other. The old thread still there.
yep. open Analog in ableton and the middle screen is 99% identical. also, follow the knob control layout. most sections are in the same locations on bottom/top
I have AAS Ultra Analog VA-2 and VA-3 and they are orders of magnitude better than this!
It's free, so it's hard to complain about something that's free. That said, there's nothing to write home about here. I think it largely sounds free and it also sounds very much like a software synthesizer and not all that analogue.
In this case, you get what you don't pay for.
I thought I heard someone post when it first came out that the DSP code was actually copied from the Ableton Analog VST. Anyone else hear this?
You can't just copy code like that with having access to the source code, which Behringer certainly don't.
Whether or not it's a functional clone or not is another matter...
it wasnt, but the panel UI is somewhat straight ripped design, although there's no copyright when it comes to UI design so everyone can copy each other as long as the source isint being 1:1
@@harrymartin684 You can reverse engineer code. You can hire away an unscrupulous developer. There are ways to get source code.
@@yasunakaikumi there is no copyright on UI but it can be considered intellectual property and you can be sued for creating an exact copy.
Having tried this out, I found myself seriously underwhelmed by it. This is odd as I'm an owner of 3 Behringer hardware synths and I love them all. I think maybe they should stick to what they do best. Affordable hardware synths. I will try and stick with it for a time and see if I warm to it but I have much better (and not seriously expensive) soft synths that can run rings around this, Pigments, DUNE 3, Phase Plant and even Vital. The best place for affordable and reasonably good soft synths is Cherry Audio, IMHO.
Not impressed, Behringer. I would rather put my $99 towards the cost of one of your Model D desktop modules as it is on my wish list.
EDIT: In fact I'm prepared to say that there are soft synths that come with a DAW that can run rings around this.
It's a free download atm though
It's not my intention to be cynical, but I recently bought FL Studio and was experimenting with Harmor, that knew by its reputation. Harmor van be bought for 99 euros. On the same day I downloade this. Behringer states on its site they consider this synth worth 99 euros too, but for us it is free. I must say, I found the opening preset nice, but the twenty something I tried after that underwhelming at the least. Plenty of free synths that impressed me more. I see no reason ever to use this over others. I paid 99 for Pigments, I paid about 300 for Arturia's V-collection (containing impressive versions of DX7. Minimoog, Matrix 12 and at least five others). I must be missing something. But here I am, I go in with an open mind and see what you make of it.
I don’t think anyone would pay 99 for this. It’s a nice free synth, but there’s much more complex things in your daw as standard I think. It is freestanding as well. I’ve not looked into free freestanding :)
Best free VST synth is Surge XT, been using it since 2005.
Its open source and gets regular updates.
Go check it out and don't waste time with this crap!
While I love Surge which has helped me with some project, my personal favorite freebie is Tyrell. If you count magware, Thorn CM and Bazille are great as well.
looks a hell of a lot like AAS Ableton Analog's interface. odd
I want this as a physical synth. 😅
Where's that warm (lol) German craftsmanship that Behr... Never mind.
Freeeeeeeeeee Shit tho... .. .
Its Analog from Ableton with the Saurus UI
Wait.... Ahm...Thats the exakt ableton "analog" stock synth... 😅😅😅
Look it up🎉
sounds like a free vst plugin from 2004
This is Ableton's Analog but worse.
Reason's Subtractor is by far more powerful, good sounding and easy to use and is made back in 2001.
How would you rate it, next to U-He Diva?
Diva all day
Serious? 🤣
easy unfair question!@@StarskyCarr
@@odmusicmanyeah they’re completely different things. Not a fair comparison.
Be fair, but this vintage is a baby synth in comparision to the diva. But Vice versa, the diva is not a Deepmind 12 or a Ubxa! 😂😂😂
Is this the free synth you can't get?
yeah.. it takes a few attempts to get the license to sync as the servers overloaded. `i left it open and went back every now and then to activate.. eventually it did it.
@@StarskyCarr It was probably trying to clone you.
I'll keep a look out for Starsky Ver 2.0 with afro!!!
dude, ur on eeevery damn synth video.. Normally ur just talking smack about the UBXA ive seen u literally on EVERY UB-XA video ramping on how bad the thing is. When u dont even have one lmao... get a life man.
Its crap anyway charging 99 for this is a fraud and eventhough its free i regret giving them my email.
ah yes donating to a giant company 😂
The donation is for charity. I really cant see them syphoning off funds - I think that's illegal.
@@StarskyCarr thanks for mentioning, i kinda missed that (im sure u said it). i simply had rhought donation got to be part of giant companies marketing efforts now.
I think if this was my first ever Behringer synth (it isn't) I wouldn't be buying anything from them. This is not ready for release and is way behind their hardware stuff.
What a joke!
I have tried it and it's free. Would I pay for it! No, but the donation scheme is worth it as I own several Behringer synths that are WAY in advance of other analogue synths on the market. I envisage in the future that the Behringer synths will be classified as classic synths in their own right and worth a fortune in 2077.
Curious, which ones do you consider more advanced?
@@ktreier Get one and find out
@@vimfuego8827 I’ve owned and sold every synth Behringer has made. Three were faulty out of the box. The only two I kept were the Odyssey (nostalgia reasons, my first synth 45 years ago was an Odyssey Mk I), and the WASP because no good VST emulation exists. Other than the Neutron and Deepmind Behringer just took other peoples work, copied it and added MIDI and in some cases FX. Some copies were better than others, in most cases QC was terrible.
You would pay for it? Why?
Its really a joke from Behringer.
If you are into synths, check the Surge XT, free and can be use for any type of synthesis
@@PedroMiguel-if3ll Read my post properly !
It sounds like a VST from 2004.
It just strikes me as a very dull synth, even considering the fact its free, there are are better free synth offerings out there. Much better ones in fact.
Ronan Fed cough cough
There’s no fx , that’s why it don’t sound like a modern fx drenched offering.
I’ve always found Behringer software very buggy, and they are quick to abandon products and move on to something else never addressing the bugs.
It's a weird one, isn't it. The stock patches are hilariously bad.. and don't get much better when you tweak them
I can't work out if this is a plan to either prove how much nicer real analogue hardware sounds.. or they are intending to make a VA hardware synth in the future and know their VA engine skills are not up to scratch right now. So this is a sort of training exercise and way to get a ton of feedback for iterative improvements
Behringer shouldn’t be spending time on any software other than companion apps for their hardware. They already have enough on their plate and it seems they’ve bitten off more than they can chew. I own lots of Behringer gear but have no desire to go back to virtual instruments. I’m guessing Uli has never used a VSTi for any length of time to know just how tedious and joyless the experience can be.
Buggy and sounding awful. Not worth a minute
Basically Ableton's Analog, innit?
Exactly, but sounding awfuly bad while analog sounds excellent and works like a charm
It is free but it really is junk. I own a few bits of Behringer gear and love them, but for a company of this wealth and size, they should have done a lot better.
This sounds really bad…
I've reviewed this and to be honest I think it's very poor even for free in 2024....
So many better sounding VTS instruments in 2024 (and even in 2014)
It’s definitely an odd one. Must be part of a master plan!
@@StarskyCarr I think you're right - and here's my take. The free DAW they are promising will have the arp, sequencer and fx and that will be why this is basic!
Yes, free and sounds like crap.
Kontakt does It better?
@@JuliusLC Kontakt is a libraries player, not a synth emulator