Music Elitism is Unlistenable
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- nomad talks about music elitism in this video essay this is nomad music theory but its also just a theory about music
I know the worst people in the world are going to talk before normal people who listen so I just want to say that technically this topic could be something you get a Phd in, there's classism, social anthropology, generational gaps, economics, and most importantly the music itself. Music elitism is a stupid complicated topic that makes you study people with awful tunnel vision. I just needed to talk. This isn't me making the perfect case to destroy all the pretension in the world, if you want that go talk to a therapist and see how awful of a listener you are.
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no music is more eliteist than any underground artists fanbase who want them to stay unpopular and broke
its a tried and true formula plenty of times where a underground artists blows up on tiktok and people whine about not being unique anymore
Just listen to music, that will never get popular. Problem solved!
as much as i want to say no
i can't disagree
same thing happened to phonk and shit...........
Do all osaker pfp people fw ug music🤔🤔
@@Luh_katkat yeah
yeah they do
I could have touched on that, such a darn broad topic
It is called progressive because the music progresses and just keeps going. That is why prog has only long songs. That is the idea of prog rock
Prog has like short songs to
@@supremedogocheshire7837yeah, the shortest one is like 7 minutes /j
King crimson
EXACTLY. He keeps talking about how modern music is "innovative," and sure some of it is, but the entire idea of prog rock is innovation and he just glosses over it calling it "a combination of old genres." If that's not elitism I don't know what is
@@harklevidopsy7587 I don't know if I'd call his attitude elitism, just ignorance. He didn't understand the actual definition of progressive in the context of a musical genre, which is forgivable with how much use the word sees these days in reference to having a morally/politically progressive outlook.
I'd also like to mention that progressive music does take some DNA from jazz, at least from what I've heard. Free-form jazz is kind of like the first wave of popular progressive music (that I'm aware of)
guys how many videos about music elitism do we need to watch before we realize that the people making them are also really elitist
It's on par with slop content atp
Sure... Rock was totally done after the early 70s. There was no punk, no post punk, no new wave, no grunge, no alternative rock, no 2000s indie rock...
It's not like RHCP, Radiohead, Muse, The White Stripes, Nirvana, Rage Against The Machine, Living Colour,The Smashing Pumpkins, Green Day, blink-182, Tool, Primus, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Sisters Of Mercy, Bauhaus, The Cure, R.E.M., Snot, Linkin Park, Rise Against, My Chemical Romance, Fallout Boy, Billy Talent, Kaizer Chiefs, Oasis, NOFX, Creed, Goo Goo Dolls, Marilliion, Saga and many more bands played or popularized new and commercially succesful rock styles since.
The problem is that nowadays rock fans emphasise nostalgia worship instead of giving exposure to new bands who are pushing the boundaries of what came before. Compared to back in the day when rock music was all about pushing the envelope sonically whilst also challenging societal norms and what’s socially acceptable.
@@MW-3002old people do this,
@@MW-3002 Taskforce Toxicator, Hans Lazer Alien Slam, Clitcommander, Airbourne, Municipal Waste, Spraytan, Victim, Beerhammer, Chemical Way?
where weezer :(
MUSE MENTIONED RAAAAAHHHH (also Queens of the Stone Age tehaha)
My most elitist take: you can’t call yourself a fan of music if you aren’t tapped into the Turkmen folk fusion scene
"I ❤ iraqi shoegaze"
this but with funk mandelao but unironically
This is true
Did not expect this to sound so good. @@ali_new_world
This video itself is a perfect example of music elitism.
Woah, clean up on aisle ME!!
Someone pin this
Morw like Clean up aisle MY PANTS!
jorking my pantius
More like cleanup aisle MY UNDERPANTS@sinia556
After seeing the video I have concluded you have wasted 23 minutes of my life. I am genuinely gonna leave UA-cam for a week because I have realised I have been consuming uncritical trash.
having an opinion makes you look like an asshole and alienates your audience. if you make bland grass is green opinions which add nothing you make tons of money, look at moistcritikal
You're gonna go touch grass? Brave.
@ ikr
This is true
fr I could have been listening to Echoes in these 23 minutes
This video feels like it was written by a robot, man. I clicked on this video because I thought it’d be a philosophical Nomad about music elitism, not a list of genre stereotypes. Video is a long form of those brain rot TikTok’s with that one audio that’s like “What your favorite one of these . . . Says about you” and it’s a slideshow of images that barely correlate. At least this video brings commentary but then like genuinely what is even the point? Music elitism exists? Anyone who clicked on this video already knows that, that’s why they clicked. It’s just a big nothing burger about music genres.
Nomad I love you
What's elitism
dawg youre right
@@Luh_katkat basically in the case of music elitism, it means, "you listen to different music than *III* do, so *you're* less than me."
@@ghostchris519 well well… sounds like you’re a UA-cam music content elitist lol
@@some_random_merc I definitely feel a deep love and connection for “my music” and I feel like the music people like most does say a lot about them. That goes for any art. It’s personal and has a personal effect. I’m not truly an elitist, I just have a special feeling about what I like. I’ve met music elitists and they actually do suck to talk to about music. If you ever hear the line “yea, most people haven’t heard of what I listen to” you’re probably in for a real treat..
I used to be a music elitist in my teens, but now i hate music, i haven't listened to any song in a while.
Why
LMAO
real shit
😭
this is funny but if there’s any truth to it… please don’t let your past negatively impact your present/future, you deserve to listen to music and enjoy it again, yknow?
gramma from coco
this video is elitist in itself. how ironic
Very intellegent...
@@HeartOfNoMadDelete his comment. Now.
its even more hilarious when you're involved in the harcore punk scene, it is just filled with the most pretentious people you will ever meet in your life. god forbid you label an artist 'power violence' when they're actually considered 'grind-core'.
ALSO OMG PRISON AFFAIR MENTIONEDD!!!
Elitist punks are very funny because half of them don’t even care about the music and the other half care too much
give a dude with a knocked loose shirt on the aux cord and 9 times outta 10 he will start playing drake
to be fair, both of these are meme genres made by trust fund teens
@egyptlocal229 you'd be surprised, they are very real genres and rooted within the low-income "real" punk scenes, and not just the trust fund kids (although I do agree that's where most sub-genres of hardcore punk originated from)
rock is not "dead", mainstream arena rock maybe but more experimental/alternative forms of rock are thriving and the genre is gaining popularity overall (tho i don't think rock/pop even count as "genres" anymore since they are so broad)
i thought about the same, great point
As a classical music listener, I still don't understand how we are supposed to explain to people that they are missing out on SO MUCH STUFF. How has there been no attempt whatsoever to instill to people that after Beethoven there isn't just a time jump straight to jazz music? Unless it is my bad that when I say "Classical" I mean the broader umbrella that covers "baroque, classical, romantic, post romantic, impressionistic, contemporary etc." Should I say to people that I listen to romantic orchestral music to be safe lmao.
Also, I agree that early classical music is kinda institutional, the way it is directly connected with classes, but even that type of music can be so interesting from a perspective of evolution of the art. Foundational could be a better term I think. And for the 98% rest of classical "hidden-from-the-public" music, it's just a misfortune that it has been burried under a rug. That shit is oozing with stuff to spend your life dwelling over.
Eh, genre for me has always been a very loose classifier. It gets across a base expectation of what you’ll hear, but a lot of the sound depends on the specific artist.
I just say I listen to 🪨, despite all of it being 2000s + and it extending to many subgenres. Noone really cares about that, just saying 🪨 is enough.
You don’t have to say you listen to Hallucination Juvenile Breakcore, because noone will understand what that means even if it is an established classification that describes a buncha music with a similar sound. It’s too specific.
its truly frustrating how people only seem to know about Bachs baroque era, to Mozart and Beethoven's classical era, and completely skip over the romantic era and anything after that, which is especially sad as the romantic and contemporary era of classical music is filled with pieces that are able to play with our emotions and even tell a story at times.
As a jazz musician, I'm glad you're calling out the bs Whiplash hate. That movie's fucking amazing, and to this day has one of my favorite covers of Caravan
Well. Well. Well.
Look who decided to reject the advice from the one and only xX_EpicConnorGamingYT_Xx. You will regret this NoMad. You have angered me. The weak shall quiver when the nice guy gets angry.
And guess what you decided to replace my perfect idea with? A video about music. WITHOUT INCLUDING MY BIGGEST HITS??? Just know that if you continue down this path, it won't end well.
Farewell.
oh my god its the real xX_EpicConnorGamingYT_Xx
The Alpha has spoken
D:
I could never do you justice, connor
Anyone who doesn't listen to my spoken word, neo-electro-psychedelic-industrial-soul, death metal, latin rap concept album doesn't know what real music sounds like
*_May I have a listen, please?_*
@ButWhyMe... THOU ART UNWORTHY
the prog slander is crazy 😭😭😭
There are still exiting bands in prog like black midi, opeth, KGLW, mastadon, Thee osees, gojira, Devin Townsend’s various projects and many more. It just sounds like you didn’t listen to much prog and just wrote it off as a genre…
Like I listen to other genres too like I love pop and rap I just think you’ve wrote Prog off as an outdated and tired genre and there are definitely some bands that are just like with other genres.
wait did you just say that movies don't affect culture? that's genuinely just straight up untrue, otherwise good vid tho
Rock is such a broad term now because its derived a million different genres at this point. To say you cant do anything with it is a point so wrong it feels like ragebait and I'm falling for it
by far one of the most elitist videos ive ever seen, the irony is palpable
As an avid jazz fusion, prog metal, and avant-prog listener, I feel like I somewhat avoided being roasted directly in this video
I tried to help my wife get into some fusion jazz type stuff by showing her some Jaco Pastorius, and telling her about his tragic life.... all she got from that though was that he did crack and now calls all fusion jazz, "Crack Jazz"
@@VoidToForm That's funny. My sister calls it "schizophrenia music" 😂😭
Actually the term would be "Smack Jazz"...thank you for listening...
@@HeartOfNoMad Ay, good on you for having thick skin with all these music elitists. Maybe they'll learn to just enjoy their shit more.
It is a very large medium.
I feel sorry for John Cage. He did loads of crazy innovative stuff, but all anyone remembers is the song where you don't play anything. 4' 33" is his "Creep".
REVOLVER GUYS RISE UP
revolver would've been the best album if it had rain on it.. 😢
REVOLVER GUYS OIL UP 🛢
@@MartNM Not if Sgt. Pepper got Strawberry Fields
REVOLVER HAS A LOT OF FADE OUTS AND IT'S SHORTER
~this post has been endorced by the Abbey Road Gang
6:05 I'm in a social circle that listens to classical, and I don't think anyone there thinks Bach is boring. I thoroughly enjoy much of his work, especially his concertos for 2,3 and 4 keyboards. Absolutely nothing wrong with not liking him, but it's not uncommon for someone to call him the best classical composer. I would give a listen to his stuff that isn't just one instrument playing alone
>I thoroughly enjoy much of his work, especially his concertos for 2,3 and 4 keyboards
Nerd emoji moment here, but his concerto for 4 keyboards is a Vivaldi concerto that he transcribed so it's a bit wonky to call it a Bach concerto specifically for this.
@benis9684 Didn't know that, thanks!
Imagine whining about elitist while making the single most elitist and reused video idea, this is quite literally ragebait slop
I love music. I literally can't do anything without something from acid jazz to metal to classical piano to pop punk to hip hop to whatever, blasting in my ear. And I'm just tired of people thinking you have to know everything about a band or singer or genre. Like why do I have to study the artists behind it in order to enjoy it? Just lemme listen to it. I just listen to whatever I don't really care oml if it sounds good, its good
Perfectly said. That's my rule, too - "If it sounds good, its good."
Man, I just want to listen to my math rock slop in peace. :P
Literally. Thank you for saying this Machine Pussy
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@@HeartOfNoMad just play it in 77/8
I strongly disagree with pretty much everything you said in this video.
Uhm actually, It's not called a song in classical, it's called a piece
Gonna have to call Santa after reading this. Seems like someone has been naughty extra early this year...
There's a difference between being against elitism and just being straight dismissive of art respected by the elites. If it's not for you, that's ok, but that's no reason to degrade its value into meaningless fart noises or something. It can be annoying when institutions in particular sound alienating and condenscendingly smug but thats usually got nothing to do with the art. Plus, even the most mainstream musicians have usually "high brow" inspirations, best example being Kanye.
I always considered the "prog" part of prog rock to be referring to the progressive amount of psychedelics the musicians were taking.
People who think "Bach is boring" have no idea what they're taking about. Just an FYI
Bro, tbh, I don't really understand his message concerning how elitism is ruining music. He's going on a rant about Whiplash which I don't see how that fits into the main picture. Overall, I think his anti-elitism thing is vague and the arguments are not well explained. If someone can sum up his video in a few short sentences, that would be great.
something that i hate about the culture around music like rock is the "im only [15-25] and i LOVE this!!!" etc etc. you get that all the time with genres like that.
i like a lot of music from the ~20s-40s. foundations of western music, ella fitzgerald, the stuff that everyone loves. and the later you get in that timeframe the more of those people you get. and the earlier in that timefame they completely disappear and are replaced with "im turning 87 this year. this was our song. R.I.P. debra ♥"
i'm so happy that the foundations of western music were laid in the 1920s
I think the reverse to this is when you get an older rock or metal song get popular through a videogame (like being on a GTA radio station) or is used in the soundtrack to a blockbuster and you get the "I'm 45 and I was listening to this for YEARS before all these kids found it!" I remember there being one song where the comments were flooded with that sort and I just put my comment saying something like "I found this because of GTA but I'll pretend I didn't because I desperately seek validation from online strangers".
i think everyone should read the comment that adam guy wrote. at 18:02, he brought up some salient points and i genuinely think you misinterpreted alot of what he had to say. idk dawg im not gonna leave a big debunk comment but i hope someone sees this and just goes, "damn, i should stop and read." crazy way to handle something i guess
Yeah him deleting the comment and not wanting to engage with it at all is lame
wow, your section on prog made me so mad and also it was pretty wrong so you did a great job on this video! nice
this whole video is just ranting about people who have different taste in music than you do and being upset they don’t agree with you
I assume at least a hundred others have already explained that you dont know what the progressive in progressive rock means so I wont go into that
As a musician studying music at a reputable college, i just wanna say the source of this elitism is heavily frowned upon within the industry, its usually just certain audiences being pretentious without really knowing what theyre talking about.
as a metal head I hate metal elitists more than anyone in fucking history
For real is this bait? because this is meant to be anti-elitism, but you bundled all of Rock into a sack labelled "old people won't shut up about it". Rock is such a broad genre that it might as well be Pop, it's literally in the DNA of every other genre, it's like saying you don't like music with guitars in it. If you just meant classic rock then that's different, but then you gloss over metal as if it's not also a massive multi-genre label with over 50 years of history? the Reddit bit was funny. Then you go and mention Prog which is a sub-genre of the other two? Prog was about progressing the genre at the time and then it was used to reference the progression of the songs tempo and instrumentals, it being associated with social movements is only because hippies and champagne socialists liked that shit.
Honeslty I feel like you only mentioned those three just to piss off the music nerd elitists that only care about the cultural impact of music and not the music itself. Really you should care about both, the culture is just as important as the vibes. A lot of rap reflects the importance of culture, NWA never wrote "Thank Tha Police".
TL;DR um awktualy 🤓
It's just culture and vibes, rule of thumb is just don't be a dick about it.
Good vid, keep yapping.
Im gonna sound like such a fucking stupid nerd elitist but rock isn't the DNA of everything. It's the blues roots. Rock's just a branch of that tree which ok yeah a lot of that just became modern pop fuck your superiority complex imbued comment but you win.
yeah nomad missed HARD with this one
rock has been continuously innovated on that's why we've deviated so far from the classic rock sound. nomad your videos are great but what are some of these takes man 😭
Every time you release a video I’ll take some time out of my day for it you’re super underrated
U look like you have the opinions you expressed in this video
there's no reason to personally attack him just for having an opinion
I get the general sentiment but this feels unstructured and misdirected. You've made Guys in your head to ascribe a handful of attitudes to (I see this because I have a bit habit of doing this myself when I make arguments) and I think that's where the averse reaction to this video mostly comes from. A lot of crazy pretentious people are just really passionate about what they like and I think that's beautiful even if it means they're total assholes about stuff they don't know anything about
Whiplash was a great movie, from someone with jazz band experience. I love playing jazz, but it definitely shows the negative side of being an academic musician (just more on the extreme end). People who choose to ignore how snobbery can kill people's love for music or even push them to major extremes are ultimately lost in their own ego. The fact that movie shines a light on the uneccesary and toxic competitiveness of an art form is amazing. Great video!
This is a fine video and whatnot, but one thing just really stood out to me. How does Whiplash not influence peoples perception of Jazz? As said in this very video, Jazz is not as popular as it once was, and a lot of people are dumb as shit, so not many people are going to see the real state of jazz music from real jazz musicians, but millions are going to see a big blockbuster movie with big boy Hollywood actors about jazz, and with people being dumb and silly, they aren't going to see "drama" and think "oh, this is just a story and there is nothing to take away besides that," they will probably see the jazz happening and think that jazz culture is just like that sometimes. I don't mean to rant, that's just a weird statement to me though
The main problem with music elitism is that the majority of people only seem to listen to the two most popular pieces from each genre and form a sweeping opinion based from it.
I'll give you an example: I'm a big classical music fan and I hear all the time that people base their view of classical music on either the wishy-washy stuff that Mozart wrote (think Eine kleine Nachtmusik) or the overly serious stuff from people like Mahler (think his symphonies). "How can you listen to that crap?" is the general response and you know what, if the only classical music was Mozart and Mahler then I'd probably think exactly the same.
People never consider the whole genre and given that every style has such a wide range of music, its a real shame people don't broaden their horizons more. Classical music isn't just Mozart, its Tchaikovsky, Elgar, Copland, Khachaturian, Handel, and hundreds even thousands of others. I certainly don't like all of it by any means, but I have an appreciation for the wide scope that it has, just like any other genre.
This is obviously not an image problem for just classical music, but jazz suffers the same fate as you have alluded to. The bebob style of Charlie Parker and the modern "coffee" jazz is all people know and strong opinions are formed from it. If people heard more stuff like New Orleans jazz (King Oliver, Louis Armstrong, possibly Fats Waller...) or Big Band (Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman etc.) which is fun and very danceable, people would undoubtedly feel different and be much more appreciative.
This guy is so uninformed about the actual discussion on bad music (and aesthetics) that he's take is super entertaining and funny! Love it! Keep not reading any Adorno or Pierre Bourdieu!
This guy would be dumber if he read Adorno
You don't have to have a degree to tell is something sounds bad
I'm more a sgt peppers lonely hearts club band and magical mystery tour guy.
I like Magical Mystery Tour too lol
Listen to Odessey and Oracle by the zombies 👍
terrible video
I HATE MUSIC ELITISM!!! ALL MUSIC IS REAL MUSIC!!!!!
No it's not. Music is not relative, all music is not good music and can even be considered "music"
@@THEJOK3R1940 bagerait
@jamielus It's just my honest opinion.
This is the real problem with music these days: anti music elitist. If you are going to appreciate real music, you need to accept that NO MUSIC IS REAL MUSIC
@@THEJOK3R1940 why so serious 👽
I feel like there's a difference between telling someone why a song exist and why a song is good, something i feel like this guy doesn't quite get?
Also, why can't i tell people why a song is good? Why is that suddenly "lecturing"?
Whats the difference between that, and making a video why people are music elitist, why certain genres are useless or purely not good?
Prog rock is named as such because it wanted to shake up how rock sounded, to progress it without killing Rock. In some of the Prog I’ve listened to a Synthesizer or keyboard features heavily. In other cases it would be a different instrument like a flute, or in Focus’s case Yodeling in Hocus Pocus. I totally understand what you’re saying though, that new technologies and techniques should be considered “progressive” as opposed to reintroducing old elements. But that fusion of the old and current can be new too.
Prog definitely engaged with new technology like the GX-1, I had to break some balls. But the initial goal of "progressing" rock was kinda futile by the 1980s cause genres like punk were stripping down rock in retalition of maximalist genres like prog and New Wave liked that way more. Not to mention again prog was just out-innovated by electronic music in the 80s. The GX-1 was super inaccessable and only reachable if you were already knee deep in the music industry. Kraftwerk won the forefather foot race and they've been running laps since.
@@HeartOfNoMad "goal of progressing rock"
you think the prog artists were all sat at a table and discussed their ultimate plan to progress rock??
that's literally not how genres work. It's progressive rock but it was a huge leap in adding artistry to rock music. Making the music you want with the levels of intricacies only you as the artist can reach. Just as the Beatles were important in the development of art music, so were pink floyd and every other prog band.
i LOVE music and enjoy to talk to people about it, but it annnoys me so much when people are so close minded.
I hate that I'm exactly one of those fans where I want my genre of music to be incredibly mainstream because of how good it is, but then I also feel less "special" if more people like it, I love the feeling of introducing it, my favourite genre being 1980s Japanese City Pop, a fucking incredible combination of funk, jazz, disco, and occasionally other things to create (imo) the most fun songs ever to listen to.
Junko Ohashi, Junko Yagami, Miki Matsubara, Cindy, Reiko Takahashi, Tomoko Aran, Momoko Kikuchi, Kaoru Akimoto, Mariya Takeuchi, Taeko Ohnuki, the list goes on and on, I love these artists so much and I could listen to it forever and ever.
I love plenty of other genres (goddammit you called me out because I hate country and most rap) and actually I'm sad King Crimson didn't get ripped into during the Prog Rock segment lmao
in a small parenthesis during music class, our teacher said that the meaning behind 433 was to shift roles and make the audience the performer, claiming that every breath and cough made can be music; and it had the unique quality of being completely improvised and different every time.
Its a rejection of what, at the time, was considered the standard for musical performances, and I think that with the historical context in mind it's a very cool piece
oh, and I'm sorry if I'm being pedantic about it and that genre labels and definitions are arbitrary and not very important, but 4 33 isn't classical music, it's modernist by time period and philosophy and absurdist/minimalist by genre
he agreed, he said it was cool once he learned the context too
I hear this song every time I'm on the bus
I've composed, arranged, and mixed two instrumental albums as YXTI.
During the first one I was still learning how to use my DAW and I barely knew music theory. It was received quite well.
During the second one I spent lots of time practicing theory and becoming "virtuosic". I got just a little bit closer to mastering my DAW and tried to use as many approaches as I could. Surprisingly this album was received much more poorly than the first.
People don't want to hear allat. They don't care if you get good if it sours your approach.
Listen, i like your videos i genuinely see alot of potential for you as a UA-camr. But i feel you kinda missed the mark on this video in a way.
I would write a long comment about why i think that is, but im probably just going to make a response video because nobody wants to read all that
having an rym account deserves capital punishment
No but fr, RYM lowkey worse than 4chan even
gotta give him credit for making a 23min video without mentioning fantano
I'm so stupid I thought "prog metal" meant like Prague... like the place...
been enjoying experimental and noise adjacent music for the past 3 years. always looking to broaden my tastes, very good and funny video. also adam neely's reply is very funny because whiplash is like, a movie and not a documentary
that take about prog rock is so wrong.
I don't know about your definition of prog in the context of prog rock. obviously, liken music itself, the label has shifted. the prog is progressive rock is about pushing the musical elements of the genre, such as the use of complex rhythm or harmony. The use of these complex elements is the derived from genres such as jazz, because nothing is original and someone is always copying someone else.
I thought progressive was named that more cause it progresses through distinct sections
it's kind of both
but progressive rock was objectively a very progressive genre. It's one of the genres where no other band sounds like a band (at least in its earlier stages)
you cant find a band that sounds like king crimson, nor one that sounds like gentle giant nor one that sounds like arachnoid.
Geordie greep the new sound progresses my prog
Cuz I’m a greep
i'm a weirdo
Lost my mind
sucks ass
@@Numptaloid i doughnut belong here
My problem with metal elitism is that they don’t want people to join. They literally call everyone a poser so that they can feel special.
people pretend to like the most popular music to fit in no one can say what they genuiny like about taylor swift
At least we can all agree that rap sucks
WE????
Rap is a great way of expression, tf you mean «we»????
@ We as in White people
@@thekivster That’s wild ☠️
@ Are you White?
Bro made a 23 minute video just to announce he is a plebeian
12:02 Oh honey… you already know I’ve been gatekeeping him since BPJ
12:04 HOLY COW YOU KNOW MCKINLEY DIXON????!?? THAT ALBUM IS FANTASTIC!
Bro those artist recommendations were actually so good! I'd love to hear if you have any other recs!
I feel you. Only use album of the year for logging in listened albums and do not care about the top ones there.
I rly recommend listening to Ka, he’s a great rapper and he released his final album due to his passing. He has great production and rhymes.
4'33 is hilarious to me. music in-jokes make me wanna put my head in a Saw bear trap mask, but watching a conductor stand there and everyone turn the pages is so funny.
Metal and jazz musicians have something in common. When I say I like Animals As Leaders, they tell me to grow up.
I just wanna hit my geek bar and listen to nettspend with the bruzz 💔
Your point about classical music is inherently flawed. Of course Michael Jackson won't be discussed academically because there is nothing to discuss on an academic level. Michael Jackson is pop music, not art. His compositions are simplistic and meant to be danced to, not to make an artistic statement and not to listen to as the center of your attention. I don't even like John Cage, but 4'33 is undeniably an artistic statement, a bad one in my eyes, but one nonetheless. I do not get why you even brought this one up to begin with, as it is hardly a primary piece of classical music that people praise. Still, there is more importance in John Cage than Quincy Jones, yes.
What I feel like you are unable to grasp is the fact that rock, pop, etc., don't have their roots in classical music. Classical music, first and foremost, is art music, music that is meant to be listened to intently. You can listen to a rock album in the background and get all the necessary musical statements made within the album. The same does not apply for the symphonies of Brahms or Beethoven. The main point of those symphonies is thematic development and telling a musical narrative akin to that of a novel. Composers like Philip Glass, Shostakovich, Schoenberg, John Cage, etc., are people attempting to continue that tradition. Rock and other contemporary forms of pop music are not; their only (minor) connection to classical music is the usage of tonality. They are rooted more in folk than in classical music, especially due to the emphasis on lyrics, which old folk songs had as well. There used to be 20-minute-long folk tunes of the same melody being repeated ad nauseam, with the variation being in the lyrics. Classical music's equivalent to this idea would be the theme and variations form, where instead of lyrics changing, the actual musical content of the initial melody is altered in every variation to reach a certain direction. (Not saying that lyrics are unimportant in classical music; that would be ludicrous. I am saying, however, that music is the driving factor of classical, while it is not necessarily for contemporary pop. You are conflating two very different musical styles.
Your statement that if something is taught in a classroom, it ruins your will to listen to it seems like it stems from your anti-intellectualism rather than any logical reasoning. If you want people's passion for their love of Beethoven to be represented, listen to literally any Romantic period composer; listen to Brahms, listen to Wagner, listen to Dvorak, listen to Mahler; there are hundreds of people deeply passionate about Beethoven who represented it in their work to choose from. You go to a classroom about music to learn about Beethoven's importance in impacting the tradition, so it makes sense that it is a bit more muted and academic; that is to be expected from an academic course.
What I feel like happened is that you went to music class and got upset that your favorite pop singers weren't seriously talked about in any way, then tried to find a way to discredit the music that you did learn about. The idea that these pop idols should be studied has a couple of caveats that make it very clear why they shouldn't.
1. They are already almost universally praised by the general public; the whole point of "classical" music is that it was decided that the works of composers like Bach, Beethoven, Haydn, and Mozart are classic and should be preserved. This was due to their value as works of art and not their popularity. Beethoven's late piano sonatas would not have been commonly played in his time.
2. As previously mentioned, they don't have much musical value to actually be worth studying. Their worth is dictated by extra-musical ideas like their personality, stage presence, and marketing. You can like certain aspects of their music on a solely musical level; I am not stating that you can't. But undeniably there is a world of difference in their complexity. It's why UA-camrs like Adam Neely and David Bennett Piano have such a pretentious aura, because they make a living trying to study pop music, which is a futile effort because the actual music is hardly the most important part of their value, so when you do try to treat them like they're classical pieces, you start looking like an overanalyzing idiot.
I am also confused why you separate rock, and the other genres from pop. As they are all under the umbrella of pop. Pop I'd define as any music that uses simplistic structures to facilitate an extra-musical personality.
I feel like you will include this comment in a later video discrediting me as an elitist by saying, "Long comment lmao," without actually tackling any of the arguments within. There is a general rampant anti-intellectual movement within my generation to discredit those with more knowledge. This video is a good example.
Lastly, I just want to ask what professor told you Bach is boring? Did he just never listen to works like the Mass in B minor or the St Matthew's Passion? That sounds like a baffling statement for someone teaching to make, Bach is not just one of the more easily accessible and immediately enjoyable out of all the big composers, but his works contain an unmatched depth that makes them endlessly relistenable and enjoyable.
Also, it's called a piece, not a song. A song is a piece of vocal music that may or may not have instrumental accompaniment. ;)
Long comment lmao
i agree tho
I think you're expecting a lot from this guy
thought the video was pretty shitty but what kind of take is this lmao. composers like Schoenberg and Webern might be more complex than Michael Jackson but that doesn't mean a song like Billie Jean is inherently less artistic than a Webern string quartet. Which piece of music is better is entirely up to the individual listener and how they might decide to judge music (personally I'd go with the string quartet).
@@dent638 "Which piece of music is better is entirely up to the individual listener and how they might decide to judge music." That is relativism, which is a self-defeating framework. It claims that there is no objective truth in the universe while also claiming to be the objective truth; it is a paradoxical framework that makes little sense and generally isn't taken seriously outside of art circles, where for some reason people accept this as fact despite how nonsensical it is as an idea. Billie Jean is, on an objective level, not really worth analyzing. It is 2 melodic ideas repeated with little to no variety before pathetically fading out without making any real musical statement. What are you even supposed to analyze here? "This bassline is fire, yo."? "Such a good beat, dude."? It's an entertaining piece of music, sure, but it doesn't need to have a class about it. It works because of the same reason any other pop song works. That it is more memorable has little to do with the actual composition and much more to do with who made it; as I said in my main post, it's simplistic music written to facilitate an extra-musical personality. The string quartets by Schoenberg have a genuine reason to be analyzed for a multitude of reasons, all to do with the music itself and not Schoenberg as a person. Regardless of who he was, these works would be notable. We didn't start praising them because we arbitrarily decided that they were good due to our own opinions; we did it because they were revolutionary works that do have things to analyze about them.
Regardless, my argument is about whether it was worth ANALYZING and being TAUGHT IN A CLASSROOM, not whether it was a good piece of music, and I wouldn't say that Billie Jean is a necessarily bad piece of music. just a really unelaborate piece that doesn't really go anywhere. It's a fun pop song that fulfills its purpose as a dance number, but I wouldn't really analyze it in the same way I would, say, Bach or Brahms' works due to, as I said, there being little to analyze about Billie Jean's composition.
I mean prog is supposed to be progressive in a way of music theory using odd time signatures really weird rhythms that hard to count to, complex harmonies and a lot of annoying theory things that I don’t feel like studying and can’t name off the top of my head. It all takes a lot of musical skill to pull off cleanly. So I think saying “what’s progressive about it” is kind of an insult to the genre as a whole as prog is music that is challenging to the musician and push boundaries of the skill of the musicians. That’s what makes it progressive.
8:21 This take is so fax. I hear people all the time recommend me artists like they’re reading the Spotify about me page trying to book a venue or smth. Like if you want me to really get it, just say why you like artist and show me song together.
(I go to a music school for clarification)
The unbridled joy of listening to music that sounds good and only basing it off of that criteria
I started learning bass a little over a year ago and it was so annoying how most other bassists i saw played rock songs and considered the must-know songs on bass to be rock. I didn’t grow up with any of it though, and I expected people to play stuff like stevie wonder and marvin gaye but I guess not
Kraftwerk is God.
Q: Do you work a 9 to 5 job?
A: Yes.
Q: Are you gonna go home and watch a documentary on Roman Empire afterwards?
A: Yes. How could you tell?
while elitist whining about something becoming popular, i'm here wishing for my artists to become popular as well as their genres (neuro-hop for example, one of my the most favorite genre) and struggling with being alone because can't find anyone who shares my music tastes (i'm obsessed with the "sound-design music" as i call it, and just whatever experimental/avantgarde stuff i can find amongst music, both electronic and traditional) or knows about the artists that i listen to, it's not cool to be "not as everyone", loneliness destroys your mental health and makes you depressed
JAILBREAK MENTIONED, SUCH A GOOD ALBUM I LOVE IT SO MUCHHH
they could never make me hate you
I’m pretty sure breakbeat/breakcore elitism is “would you rather listen to Goreshit or Sewerslvt” And the true answer is listen to Rory and the Early 20s
Well… I’m just gonna quote Stevie T here; “metal is superior genre.” And no, I may not be willing to move on lol. I’m 38 and music acts like a comfort blanket for me. It’s worn, it’s been with me for a long time and the person who made it is probably dead and I haven’t been able to find a new one I like as much. I’m sure there’s newer metal that I’d definitely like though, (like post 2010). There’s no new “real” punk (yea ok, I know but it’s how I feel dammit) that I even know of (gonna look into “Prison Affair” though) so old is the only stuff I listen to, but metal I’m sure has good new additions. Any suggestions?
I'm not very deep into recent metal but I have friends listening to 3TEETH right now, I still need to get around to them myself. Also exposure therapy does not sound that bad of an idea
prog metal is called prog not because it has social commentary but because the songs build up and get more complex as you listen
16:41 This might be silly but little moments like this is why I love your content. Ever since I discovered your channel a few months back, I've really fallen in love with it. I don't know how you do it, but you can make the most boring type of topic entertaining. Probably is the blend of timely editing and warm/inviting personality you got.
Just, don't stop uploading. You got an audience and whilst we might not be a thight-knit community, I'd say we're always happy to see a video of yours in our recommended :3
Rock = old style bands that built the genre like the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Who, etc
BUT
Rock ALSO = bands that have changed/split the genre in the past years like Radiohead, Sigur Rós, the White Stripes, etc.
Some rock fans linger on the past and demand we resurrect the ways of the old greats, and some rock fans like newer bands that blend genres and create new ideas. The problem is that probably a good 15-30 percent of all rock fans are classic rock elitists, an overwhelming majority that shoves them into a position of representation for the genre. This means that anyone who DOES listen to rock (even the good old stuff) who doesn't praise it above all else gets stereotyped into seeming like a rock elitist as well.
...Anyway, I should probably go get a job or something.
Any Midwest Emo enjoyers in here? 😅
Me kinda
I think that most of the apparent eletism in classical music is from people that listen to a little bit of classical music and think it makes them an intellectual. Most of the people I've had experience with who ACTUALLY care about classical music beyond "i listened to a single mozart symphony so now I'm better than you" were never very gatekeepy
Hey, you just roasted my music infront of me
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Some smaller musicians i can recommend are lord huron(some folk country stuff), wesko(also country).
Worst part you can do about any type of media and get sucked into only one genre. You can have one as your comforting and/or favourite one but you should always keep an open mind when it comes to media genres
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