The other day, I ordered a Pizza with a custom list of toppings and extra cheese crust. I am a chef and delivery services are one of my kitchen tools 😎
@@BlargvsBlorg Blender is also free, but skill don't come with it, and I have more fun with it than letting my computer have fun with Unstable Diffusion.
“And for those who say that doesn’t make me a chef, after the pizza I made via the ordering menu chef tool arrived, I opened the box and rearranged the pepperonis, and that takes real chef skills. At a professional level.”
I miss when "AI Art" was just people asking AI to make weird shit for them, like "Obama eating a metal door while-... pissing gatorade" and then looking hilariously deformed.
I miss when it was pictures that looked like "something" but if you look at any part of the picture it really doesn't look like anything and your brain would just hurt.
@@anon746912 Teaching machines to peep the horror and then just lashing it down until it retches up something that roughly looks like real images and occasionally generating invisible static layers over an image that will increase the amount of people that associate this picture of a car with apples by 30% for nightmare black box reasons
i have some old ai art from midjourney, its like weird cyberpunky oil paintings kinda, full of artifacts and weird stuff that makes no sense, i feel like the imperfections and weirdness are the part that made it interesting
Shadiversity after beating a Guitar Hero song on hard mode: As a trained, professional musician, and a perfectionist, I am perfectly qualified to teach this course on songwriting and advanced guitar techniques.
@@Sejten11it's still better, at least they play something kinda similar to guitar(although still very far from a real guitar play), they aren't flexing a robot playing the guitar instead.
I'm more qualified to teach than him, since at least I've had two non consecutive years of actual guitar lessons, and actually know how to play one. And I'm not even remotely qualified to teach anything.
21:15 Please don't call them "Prompt engineers". They aren't engineers. I studied for years and got a masters degree in informatics engineering. I am an engineer. He's just a prompt maker, at the very best.
Ong, calling these people “engineers” is just as wrong as calling them artists. They’re just dudes typing a bunch of random words until a robot makes what they want. God I hate AI
Anyone who is obsessed with their "engineer" title probably isn't an engineer. I've never heard of anyone so self entitled for getting an engineering degree.
Was thinking the same. Her head is massive and the foot he talked about getting correct.... wasn't even positioned correctly. He spent 2 hours making the original AI art a worse picture and wants credit. It's like a toddler scribbling glasses on your masterpiece and claiming they are the artist.
@@undeniablySomeGuyI was also very surprised by that. It’s obvious that it’s every other part of her body which is too small, not the shoulders being too wide.
I mean, they're right though. Generating + touching up takes a fraction of the time compared to achieving the same thing from scratch. It's insanely fast. But at the same time, it's not the myth of click-n-done. Gonna need neural interfaces for that to happen.
@@tahunuva4254 Or just better models. DALLE3 already has a much better text understanding than the old StableDiffusion1.5, which makes it much easier to put together complex scenes with just a text prompt that would have required a lot of manual in-painting previously. Neural Interfaces might not be all that far of either, there is already a paper titled "High-resolution image reconstruction with latent diffusion models from human brain activity".
@@tahunuva4254 while yes, it's not a click-and-done type of stuff, but it's still a braindead process of typing, generate, generate, typing, generate, slider, generate, touch ups, typing, generate and on and on and on and on while lying to everyone and yourself that you're a "great artist" like Shad did.
The 2 are not mutually exclusive. It is easy to take a photo of a person and capture exceptional detail, previously only possible from master painters. However there is still a level of skill involved in capturing the perfectly framed posed and lit photo, thus why people with iPhones still pay professionals to get a good family portrait
@@DanzIndzyou are describing the difference between a script kiddie and a certified professional coder, which is itself a massive difference in skill level.
Shocked to find out they are brothers... Jazza has always been such a warm spot for learning to draw to have his own brother act like this... it must be so hurtful.
It sounds like his brother got into art for personal reasons, which is surprising. I thought that he was in it for the soulless, easy money. It’s unfortunate that he fuels his work with jealousy instead of literally any other positive emotion.
There's something incredibly disturbing about watching a man put his wife's face onto AI generated models and constantly adjust anatomical proportions while also completing ignoring anatomical realism such as fingers, proportions, lighting, head-to-body ratio, etc. Those shoulders weren't too wide... that wasn't the problem.
the fact her head got even bigger and more out of proportion than his "art" 6 months ago is hilarious, there is zero artistry in what he is doing at all lmao
It really gives off this idea that Shad thinks "women can't have broad shoulders" even though it is perfectly normal for women to have broad shoulders, he just can't handle women not fitting his very specific fantasy of what he believes they should look like.
You know, it makes perfect sense that Shadiversity would be an AI art bro. He's always been the sort of person that twists his own standards to glorify the things he likes and shit on the things he doesn't (historical accuracy is paramount except when it isn't, a weapon being effective is essential except when it isn't, realistic worldbuilding is all-important except when it isn't), and pretends like his book is a flawless monument of fantasy literature when it...very much is not. Of course he'd do the same thing for this.
For some reason, he has really, really attached everything on his double bladed sword, attempting to do his best to demonstrate why it is an unsung god-tier weapon. I mean, he could use simple logic: there's a reason why Halbeards, quaterstaffs, Naginatas and bo-staff are far more common weapons and no one seriously tried to forge two swords together to make sword-staff. It just isn't practical.
yeah il be honest, i used to watch him years and years ago, when he spoke about detailed world building inspired by brandon sanderson and detailed magic systems that make sense and have rules i got intruiged by his book so read it hooo boy is it bad, genuinly just abysmally writen (and has a lot of "the artists barely disguised fetish" shit hanging around in it too) and it just immediatly keyed me in that this guy has no idea what hes talking about then a year or 2 after i stopped watching him i hard some of his political views.....yeah im very glad i stopped
As a long time fan of his channel (but not him as a person) you can REALLY tell he's very egotistical and stubborn. In his sword making videos, his colleagues often disagree with him on what they should do and he just overrules them, only for them to be proven right many episodes later, meaning they wasted a lot of money because he refused to listen. And when his book did really well (I actually do love it), he bought a MASSIVE section of land. Except he didn't buy it. He got a mortgage. As an Australian, I can promise that the property market in Australia is beyond screwed and getting worse every year, and will get worse every year until the whole country riots on the level of the BLM 2020 protests. Mortgages are a massive scam you're forced into because renting is even worse (I'm only 25 and I've nearly died in rentals multiple times). So signing up for a mortgage based on a sporadic income relying on ONE book for the deposit is a TERRIBLE idea. Point being, now he's constantly releasing videos on how his channel is dying. It's rough that the algorithm is punishing him for no reason, but he'd be in a WAY better position if his reaction to his highly successful book release wasn't "I'M RICH NOW!" and signing up for a loan he could never pay back. The guy just keeps digging himself further and further down.
that clip was so brutal to watch, i'd rather go back to having tweaker roommates tell me about how the moon's a hologram and the cops can't convict you if the courtroom has a tassled flag, at least those conversations can be fun. dude was on the verge of a public breakdown if he didn't get that obviously forced "yes"
@@BlargvsBlorg „AI Art looks better than most Human art” 1. That is kind of false, once you look at how generic it looks. 2. Please, the only reason for its quality is because it steals and copies from the best human artists. „At the end of the day, no one cares about of how products are made, only the end result.” This type of thinking is evil, and you know it. „Otherwise, people would protest 99% of all their goods comes from China and its sweatshops” How about we actually start protesting then?
@@BlargvsBlorg „Machines are thus superior to human artwork” Speed is not a part of art. Speed is not part of the value of art. This type of thinking is, simply put, anti-human, and anti-artist. „The economy would collapse if you tried” It will collapse anyway when global warming shows it effects in the near future. Also, if an economy is based on evil things, then it ought to be ended. „Since most people already live paycheck to paycheck already” Meanse we are morally obligated to increase minimum wage, and to bring back unions at their full force, to actually improve wages. And also to build cheap(or even free) housing en mass, and to support free healthcare, to allow people to save more.
@@BlargvsBlorg „Anyone who sells art commercially is absolutely affected by speed” Irrelevant. Speed is not important for the artistic value. „Lol, so why are you even concerned by AI if we're all going to die in the end? ” Because I want to make the world better, and to avoid the negative future. „Sounds great except, who's paying for it? ” THe governments of the world, who ought to put massive wealth taxes, land value taxes, and also a tax on automation.
@@BlargvsBlorg „It clearly is since any Artist would get fired for failing to do a job. Or do you seriously think people have time to sit around and wait for someone to deliver an unfinished sketch forever? ” Stop thinking like a capitalist please. „Did you miss all the scientists back in 2010 who said the climate is past the point of return? ” Of course not. But we can limit how bad it will be. „Because governments never run out of money that you're telling them to go borrow forever right? Go look at Venezuela or Cuba when you try and make everything "free". It just creates more poor people. ” Dude. Using those as examples? And not the more functional examples of the various EU social programs?
God The way Shad talks to Jazza in the clip provided is giving massive golden child complaining to family scapegoat/ or peace keeper vibes. It looks like, "I can do no wrong and have asked you for feedback I’m wholly incapable of hearing because my ego is bigger than my capacity to Handle criticism necessary to improve."
When he said "it's proffesional level" I was just thinking about old video games like beyond good and evil, and cartoons like huntik and how yeah, his art fits perfectly. Jak and dakstar is another one. It's profoundly of its time and I hate to call a style outdated but it's certainly dated atleast. I like that style though.
I feel like he needs to just be okay with where he is. He’s not terrible. He just needs more practice and fine tuning. He could come up with a unique cartoon style.
Honestly he's better at drawing people than I am. I've thrown my lot in with water colour and printing and focus on animals and plants. Can't draw people to save my life. His early art is really charming, has that retro early 2000s vibe to it like a punkish Winx club. If he hadn't gone down the AI pipeline I could have really seen him growing a fanbase and making some amazing work. But that's probably all gone now, artists hate him and he's killed his personal style. It's sad tbh
It's that jealousy he has toward his brother. He wants to be better than Jazza but doesn't want to do the work to actually achieve the skill to do so. He's a typical narcissistic person with a fragile ego who sees other's success/skills as a threat.
@@Vercanya Which is weird since he's already a novelist. They both have their respective talents. He's the writer and Jazza is the artist. They could team up and publish a graphic novel if they want.
@@ferrariofantioch2865 I wouldn't call him a novelist when his book is a power fantasy dumpsterfire, he only published one and that was before the AIpocaypse. I already see him using ChatShitPT to make the next book for him, and then the next one and the next one.
anyone who knows how lighting works in cinematography will tell you that the brightest highlights should be created by the brightest light source. Besides, there's nothing artistic or "progress" about mashing together a bunch of stolen art into a crude representation of an idea you aren't skilled enough to create yourself. @@BlargvsBlorg
@@BlargvsBlorg it's crazy how quickly you people show your hatred towards actual artists lol. You didn't even bother to dispute anything I said. I'm not attacking science; I'm defending art, which you're attacking. I'm not worried though, if history shows anything it's that we'll never stop creating art.
@DPH-sp9vt most of them are mad that crypto died (no matter how much they insist it hasn't) and are wanting this to be their next get rich method. Because surely this'll be the revolution right? Its not a bubble. Is it any wonder they say "you'll be replaced" the same way people in crypto called everyone poor
Literally same (also, this would be an interesting concept for a superhero story. A superhero whose power is to make things come alive with his drawings learns his brother, who doesnt wanna devote his life to learning how to draw, has dabbled with dark powers (AI) and now our original artist superhero has to fight through hordes of uncanny valley images)
The only thing that separates shads AI machinations from other AI machinations is that some people try and generate women with pants; a concept that the algorithm in Shad's brain doesn't comprehend
They... actually are. Well, maybe not self defense, but for agression, yes. They were used by street gangs. A few people have made great videos debunking Shad on this subject as well.
@@GamePlayMetal I just couldn't take it anymore with him focusing on the lowest common denominator opinion and then making a multi part 30 min ep series rambling in his backyard with his evidence being whatever thoughts pop up into his head at that exact moment. He was entirely wrong about the power output where a video showed nunchucks making 90% of the hit force as a stick and then goes "Yes but here's another idea I just came up with that I'm going to waste 30 minutes of your life ranting about". The one example he showed of the security footage of the guy attempting to use nunchucks against multiple robbers running at him would have still gotten beat up if he had a stupid stick. Rant over. I wanna find those videos responding to him now
@@ravensharpless I think this one is pretty good, if you can get past the asmr voice, but the guy knows his subject very well ua-cam.com/video/UpXxw1dnhkU/v-deo.html
@@ravensharpless He seriously thought that an untrained schlub flailing nunchucks and sticks around was a valid was to test how they compare as weapons.
@@BlargvsBlorg thinking that AI artists will be able to find jobs is the biggest cope here. There is nothing in the AI field that would take too long for an actual artist to master, you think people who spend years to learn to render accurate anatomy in realistic perspective while composing stunning pictures from scratch would be unable to figure out how to use ControlNet if they had to? There is only two scenarios here - either the technology hits a plateau after automating a number of technical artistic tasks making the field even more competitive for the actual artists that would be assisted by the AI, or it will eventually get so good that there will literally be no jobs in the art industry, because automating the "prompting" part is just a matter of time.
@@BlargvsBlorg again, there is next to nothing to be "skilled at" when it comes to AI art, so calling an actual artist that is able to execute actual artistic skills an "AI artist" just for being able to use AI in their workflow is silly in the first place. By that logic every single artist is just a month of software learning away from becoming an "AI artist". That's why I'm saying that people who are getting into art through AI aren't the ones that are gonna get any jobs, because it's a useless grift, no company is gonna offer you a good paycheck for the skill of generating derivative work that anyone can learn in a matter of days. Also traditional artists aren't going to be affected by this, it's obviously just about the digital art.
@@BlargvsBlorg I don't really care what "challenge" you're talking about because there is no way it would hold any statistical value to talk about the %, but Shad's "work" here just looks like another bland AI image with a stiff pose, broken perspective, bad proportions and mindless lighting and composition, also just generally awful taste. Him going all "tips fedora" when scaling the character's shoulders to make her giant head look even bigger is a great example of "AI artists" either not knowing theory or not having it practiced, because the original issue was with the wonky perspective. If you genuinely think it looks impressive, then this not a discussion for a YT comments dispute, too much to unpack. Also you have no idea what people value in traditional art if you think they'd be interested in a robot's work. Manufacturing only made handmade stuff more valuable.
Equally alarming is the increasing tendency of the lay public (at least) to apply the term 'AI' to any sort of computer-assisted or computer-generated thing. Another word whose meaning is being quickly diluted.
Listening to Jazza TRY to get a word in with Shadiversity was…painful. Jazza does art for a living. He’s good at it. Shad’s thing is medieval history and weaponry. I’m not saying Shad shouldn’t try to expand or have a hobby, but…it was almost like he was trying to say he was better at the art than Jazza.
No, shad was saying he was better than Rob Liefeld, the artist who was paid by marvel comics to draw that captain america cover that everyone roasted; shad's art is better than that, therefore shad is at the professional level, is the argument he was making.
@@Sanguine1849 Thanks for clarifying (it was difficult to hear exactly what was said). I haven’t seen the Captain America cover myself so I can’t judge at all, but…even if the cover was bad, Shad’s attitude about it? Reflects more negatively on him. Saying he could be better, or do better than someone paid by Marvel? That seems pretty egotistical.
@@HelenaCross well, the specific marvel artwork i referenced was just an example, the general point is that there are professional artists that get paid, whose work you can compare to non-paid artists' works that are better than the paid art, which makes those non-paid artists' works at the professional level, since professional only means someone who is paid for work, and doesn't necessarily mean skilled labor. And someone saying their work is better than a marvel-paid artist IS an egotistical thing to say, but i reject the notion that ego is somehow a negative personality trait. But, that is just my view, shaped by Ayn Rand's works and other egoist/individualist types (hans-hermann hoppe, ludwig von mises, murray rothbard, etc).
@@Grogeous_Maximus no, the bar for professional art is so low, even shad's art meets the visual criterion to be called professional-level, which isn't saying much
@gfries4906 oh I think I get it now. Like his saying: "Your face is ok, but your body... I can improve that, look that ilustration, much hotter than you now"
@@shokujinki Exactly, it just feels like Shad is using his wife to objectify her for his "art" and it kinda creeps me out (being a woman and an artist myself). Just idk i think its weird and dehumanizing...
Imagine someone running a marathon on horseback and demanding a medal, because they covered the same distance as everyone else, and they're not even particularly good at horseback riding. That's what we're watching.
Actually you do need to be a kinda decent rider to win a marathon on horseback. You should try googling Man versus Horse Marathon - but the tl;dr is humans don't stack up too terribly at longer distances against our equine friends!
Most artists don't self-congratulate like this guy does because we know that we can always be better. It's Dunning-Kruger: Eventually you get to a point where you realize that your skills aren't as sustainable as you hope them to be, and you have to work REALLY HARD to climb out of that valley of despair. Art is about solving problems and making decisions. When you let the AI call all the shots, you deprive yourself of that experience and knowledge and growth.
I feel like he's been jealous of his brother for decades, and AI art has pushed him towards delusion over actually competing and putting in real effort
I do feel a bit bad for him. Part of me can understand how and why he's acting in the way he is, having grown up constantly pressured to perform as well as his brother, having to turn to the dark side to make peace with his own self-conscious
I really don’t want to psychoanalyze their relationship, as it’s really not my place, but this seems too blatant to not be mentioned. Like not even subtle: references to artists being “born talented” and claiming that “his work” requires some high level technical knowledge and skill, while simultaneously making art more accessible to the ‘non-talented, born lucky elites’ or whatever. It’s kinda sad; I hope they’re both doing well.
@@dogski2822claiming that artist are "born talented" trigger me hard because I've lived with my sister who, for most of my life, did freelance art and I've seen the process of making art and the slow and subtle improvements someone makes during the art making process.
I find it hilarious that Shad’s brother is one of the most successful artists on the platform… like… imagine your sibling is a 5 star chef and you think you are just as talented as them because you managed to order dominoes…
@@BlargvsBlorg atleast it takes genuine effort using a camera to capture a perfect picture or using electricity to power his computer so he can boot up photoshop to enhance his drawings and photos instead of typing words on a screen (of which are probably copied and pasted as the case with most of these guys like shad) to play a luck game, just to mildly edit it and make it look worse than it already did.
@@BlargvsBlorg I'm talking from an artistic view, not the everyday 'novelty' thing like selfies, which still takes more effort than AI so I don't get your point. Your blatantly using things that has nothing to do with art as a counter to art.
Yeah maybe we should’ve taken sci-fi more seriously and followed in the footsteps of dune, probably already is a god ai already evolving past the point of no return for us
@@eggheadusa9900 not yet. The AI that you mentioned don't exist just yet They're what known as Artificial General Intelligence or Strong AI Skynet is Strong AI which is still don't exist just yet AI that we have nowadays is Weak AI or Narrow Artificial Intelligence which is what known as Chat box back then + Diffusion model (It's not real AI)
The thing that bothers me is that images generated by an algorithm take the emmotoonal aspect out of art completely, The meaning and connection to art is what makes "art" art
Weighting ‘bad art’ negatively is wild to me Who's deciding what bad art is, what bad anatomy is, what bad coloring is? I think that’s what I find so dumb and frustrating about ai art, these people just telling the machine ‘make it good and not bad’, there’s zero intention behind it
I mean, the reason they do it is because it works. AI doesn't read these prompts as they are, it converts it into a large matrix, which is an mathematical representation of the collection of ideas, practically a bunch of numbers. The "bad art" in the prompt just tells it to avoid a part of latent space that contains esthetically unpleasing results. So it's not a philosophy, but pure math. By the way, there are better and more effective ways to put this idea into the AI, but even though Shad constantly brags about him being super-knowledgable in all the models and extensions, he doesn't know a better way than showing a word salad into a negative prompt.
@@whitmanbarber2548 it is subjective, but it is based on how most of the people would call it. It learns by averaging the way humans on the Internet do it.
The funniest part is his own original drawings have more personality to them than the AI trash. Maybe not the most refined style, but clearly something that could be very distinct and interesting if he were willing to put real work into it.
This one really got to me... to me, this sounds like... he can remember which ai-generated images were the ones he prompted, so they seem different to him in his own mind
I feel so bad for jazza tbh. He tried to start a statement with "i love you but" and was immediately interrupted by his own brother denying it as if it was some kind of personal attack
What video is this? Cuz I think as an AI artist, deep down Jazza must recognise that a soulless machine regurgitating artworks goes against the spirit of art
I mess with settings to find my perfect temprature with air conditioner, but I'm not desperate enough to call myself an engineer, or an air conditioning skill expert. It's like putting your elementary school on your resume.
My biggest problem is that if everything he does is intentional and thought out, why does it take so many repeated instances to get what he wants? If the process is as technical as Shad is portraying it to be, why does the vast majority of “art” he creates get completely scrapped?
The most uncomfortable thing about it is watching Shad play-up his elite artistic eye and deep artistic expression. I've seriously never heard any art hobbyist, professional, nor teacher/professor say anything like that.
That's the craziest part to me. I have never heard someone brag so openly about their supposed skill level. The fact that he seems to overestimate his own skill significantly doesn't help
Gotta love how Shad, the guy who complains if the slightest detail of a fantasy work isn't "historically accurate," is putting his female characters in pleated mini skirts with thigh high leg armor.
I know, right? Even his other '''works''' are, like, the most generic fantasy crap ever, what with the 'boobplates' on the women's armor and the uncovered parts.
@janehates or even acknowledge that he isn't the artist. If anyone is the artist it's the AI and the people who's work it's trained on. Not the prompter.
You forget, he made a whole video defending the historical accuracy of boobplate armor. Man is willing to fight for shit that don't make sense just because it feels good for him.
Sad I found his channel, watched a few videos only to see man's a delusional hypocrite hours later through UA-cam's auto-complete search feature... This video is so lovely and savage at the same time, thank you so much for speaking my mind! The ending quote "A.I. art is just ejaculated pixels resembling someone else's hard work and dedication" couldn't be any more truthful or funny, it will live rent free in my head now, freaking genius!
You could do much better than that. As a real cook with a deep culinary vision, I'll typically spend at least 2 hours on my sandwich by giving it back and having them replace ingredients, typically at least a dozen times until I achieve the perfection I knew I could create
@@cocoahere875the subway employees' grimaces are how you know you're a real professional cook with a vision too complex for simple minds to comprehend
The sad irony, for as "bad' as Shad's original art is, I find it infinitely more enjoyable to look at than his AI stuff. Despite the skill-level of it, it's got character and expresses what kind of person he is and what his interests are.
That’s the real bummer of it. I looked at his art and there’s REAL potential there. BUT getting to where he wanted to be takes a toll which he evidently didn’t want to pay, and so he was willing to sacrifice his artistic voice on the altar of perfectionism. And I think the dunking on the flaws in his old work actually is the kind of thing that pushed him to that. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Almost.
I mean maybe on a personal level, but Jazza (thank God) isn't exactly making the counter-argument for AI-art either and has a much more nuanced take on what it does.
It's so cringe-inducing hearing Shad just trying to browbeat him into accepting the "I am a professional level artist" line. He's one of those obnoxious guys who thinks that just talking over you until you give up makes them right.
He could not be more insecure that the "art" he worked on was never on par with his brother. He got to the shitty level he got to and gave up. Didn’t want to work any harder to get past his ceiling and now he’s jerking himself off because he found a tool that doesn’t require him to put in any actual work to improve as an artist and even come close to his brother who he forces to play to his fantasies about being a "professional artists." It’s pathetic as hell.
I get it now. AI "artists" are the people that think commissioned art costs too much and takes too long, so they get a cheap robot to make their commission for them instantaneously and then claim the art as their own because its not like the robot can legally caim it.
Honestly commission is expensive Not saying it's not worth the price Just that I can't afford it unfortunately One day, I hope I can pay an actual artist to make the work of my dream Until then, I just got keep working to get there
@ctchimchar5258 smaller artists are your freinds there, lots of smaller artists have far lower prices for art thats often still very good, my profile picture is art i comissioned off my freind for like 20$
@@ctchimchar5258this is kind of the point. art is a luxury; there are many artists around the world who have various prices, ive met some who are very cheap and ive tipped them so what they get matches what i'd pay an "american" artist
If you're a professional artist and not using AI to make your commissioned art, you're probably spending too long on it/overcharging for it. Use the AI and make some $$
That's not passive aggressive. At all. That's him not wanting to call out his brother in public, but also not being willing to be bullied into saying what he knows is a lie.
It's not even that, the point he's making is that professional level artists aren't getting work, it is a big problem. Shad wants to make it about skill and how he's "professional level". The point is "bro, there are many artists 10 times better than you and they aren't getting work, because there's so few jobs".
That’s not what happened. What happened is his brother was making a fool of himself and Jazza was effectively as being as nice as possible without outright lying. However Shad can’t take a hint and insisted on pushing him until he was forced to make a mild statement of criticism.
"A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning" Netflix did not "generate" the movie. The movie has been made. Nothing in the movie changed by the 2 hours of searching.
@@AgentH53They knew which themes and motifs worked better in combination with specific actors, they spent hours looking for the perfect combination. This takes real skill only achievable someone with genuine talent in film making, anyone could find the same film by pure chance but it takes skill to make this process flawlessly repeatable in results.
@@AgentH53 A person also does not generate an image. The computer does. So his equivalency is correct in comparing the role of humans in both the process of swifting through a Netflix movie catalogue and prompting a computer to generate an image. In both cases, the system is doing the work, you're just telling it what to do.
Using this process I have become a master ship-builder. I walked through a marina, pointed at a yacht I thought looked pretty, wrote my signature on it, and boom bang boom.
@@justinwhite2725 The funny part is that he still doesn't hold a candle to his brother. In fact, he's burnt that candle at the wrong end and made it useless.
@@andrevaughn6980 right? Both my sister and I are artists, but she is way better than I am. And she's 11 years younger lol. How can someone look at a younger sibling who is obviously talented and not be proud AF?
Because not only is the head too big, eye line is wrong. With original AI art, the buildings gave it grounding, so you were looking up at Supergirl while she is looking down at you. Without the skyscraper you are both hovering in the sky but you are slightly lower than her.
How can someone come up with so much BS? Literally in every step he is making an AI generate things and then saying "Look at my effort, Look at my Human Input, Look at my Understanding of things etc." While having none of that...
omg I'm so sorry for Jazza, he looked so uncomfortable like, he knew that he was right because he knows his stuff, but he can't say that without sounding arrogant. As an Artist who is on a *way* lower level than jazza and someone who's followed him for years, that was just painfull to watch
Right? Even before the clip was shown I thought to myself "Wait isn't he literally the brother of Jazza, an actual professional artist. Wonder what Jazza thinks about this" and then the clip came and it was so uncomfortable to watch
What’s worse is that Jazza is the LITTLE brother. Like, I would never IN MY LIFE speak to my little bro that way. It goes against every law imaginable.
@@ImortalZeus13WTF, Jazza is the little brother? That only puts extra irony since Jazza being the bigger person. Also damn, Jazza is a kind person but he could have had diabetes from sugarcoating this much. Though I respect his finesse, and I aspire to learn it.
@@neurofiedyamato8763 why would you still watch shad after he has shown himself to be not only a total hack, but an actually awfull person (he has more then once been very open on his 2nd channel about some rather disgusting views he has)
It gives me vibes of obscure animated cartoons that air right as you get home from school and get cancelled after 16 episodes. It's not great technically but the direction wasn't that bad tbh
I used to do work like Shad's in photoshop when I worked as an auction photographer. Digital manipulation to remove artifacts, (Without misrepresenting the quality of the auction item) was a key piece of marketing to boost sales by effectively advertising online... So you adjusted levels, cut out backgrounds, removed or added shadows... It is alot of work, especially when you have 2 weeks to do this to over 1000 items people pay for the privilege of... So in my experience I can't say Shad isn't doing work... But I hesitate to call it art unless it's at the bottom end of the art scale. It's an impressive handling of the technology, but the foundational construction of the image wasn't performed.
I used to be hella into generative ai until I took a look at it and thought, hey… How are they getting this training data? And I started picking up actually drawing as a thing i like doing. I’m still not good, but i like doing it. I have also begun noticing the real errors
What saddens me the most is that his (non-ai) art isnt even *that bad*. Its very similar to most amateurs, or the backlog of a master. He *could* have been the great artist he sees himself as, if he just had the endurance to stick with it. Or at worst, he could have been a mediocre artist with soul and passion. But I guess the life by the conveyor belt is simpler than the life in the kitchen.
His art reminds me of what Jazzas art looked like when he showed his progress from beginner to professional. You can tell both brothers had/ have a passion for art and were sharing it at some point to the point that they developed similar art styles. But while Jazza persevered, Shad seems to have gotten frustrated and semi gave up. It's probably the constant comparison with his brother. I know that feeling. My sister also is a great artist and I used to compare myself to her which made me feel jealous and inferior. But I grew out of it which Shad doesn't seem to have done. He wants to prove he's just as good
or truly at worst: given up on art and do something else. i'm no artist, and i doubt i ever will as i just don't have in interest in growing that skill presently. i can put a ttrpg battlemap together with assets i'm allowed to use, i'm working on a world map that'll have soul, but at least i don't delude myself into thinking i'm some great artist. and still i think in a fair few ways i've developed more skill then shad. i use a program to put my maps together an assets someone else made, but i've learned how to make maps that look good and play fun. take away my program and i can use another, it'll just take time to get good with it's toolset, take away all my tools and i'll have to draw by hand and it won't look great at all, but it'll be mechanically fun still. and i'm just experienced with battlemaps and i piece of abandonware. at least my stuff is truly legal (looked it up before i posted any of it online)
The AI artists who want to "democratize art" just don't want to put in the actual work, they just want to reap the benefits. They want to be rockstars without spending 2+ hours a day practicing guitar, without dragging gear to and from venues, without learning how to write songs, and without having to physically put yourself out there and show the lifetime of dedication to your craft. If you(proverbial you) do not enjoy the process of creation, don't create, but don't also pretend that you're actually creating something just for the sole purpose of getting the social credit for it you imagine artists are getting. The art of creation matters to us, if it doesn't matter to you then don't pretend you actually understand it or what's valuable about it.
@@gwen9939 >The AI artists who want to "democratize art" just don't want to put in the actual work, they just want to reap the benefits. And how is that bad? People who want running water in they house are just lazy, ppl that use calculators are just lazy, ppl that use dishwashers are lazy. This is progress making something that used to be hard much easier, and faster to make. >If you(proverbial you) do not enjoy the process of creation, don't create, but don't also pretend that you're actually creating something just for the sole purpose of getting the social credit for it you imagine artists are getting. You think art has no utility, and it is just to stroke your ego? Art is part of many other projects, its utility shouldn't be restricted just because you want to live in the past, all sort of professions case to exist or become much more niche due to progress.
@@KraszuPolis You are absolutely correct... if one assumes standards and intention don't matter, I don't believe I need to explain to you the difference between menial tasks and the creative process, do I?
@@Tasorius He'd never shut up regardless. And if he gives him problems, just block em off. Besides I doubt this would damage his life enough unless otherwise.
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Problem with AI art is that, it isn't interesting. Mostly mediocre compositons, unoriginal themes or "hallucinations". Combinations things from movies, comics, TV series, games and so on. There is no deeper purpose. Mostly people don't have imagination and we will be living in a digital junkyard soon.
17:51 Yeah! My first thought when he asked "Can you spot the problem?" was that her head was too big lmao Granted, I'm years into learning and working with Blender, so while even I hesitate to consider myself an expert on anatomy, I'm probably not a ley-person anymore. Also the fact that he's belaboring how he spent two and a half hours on this?? Artists can spend several weeks to make a rendered piece, with deliberation in every single line.
The thing that stands out to me is “I don’t like to draw, I like what I draw”, which feels like a coded way of saying “I’d rather get the attention of doing art than actually doing art”.
Eh, like you hear a lot of burn out from commission artists where they stop taking commissions because they don't want to draw but they are still proud of the art they put out. Still absolutely not what that guys saying or implying and you are totally right.
Tbh, out of context, I can understand that process of thought. You want to create fantastic images and spill your creativity out on the canvas, but the drawing process itself can be extremely frustrating. Especially when you're a beginner. I struggle with that a lot. BUUUUUUUUUUUT that doesn't mean I'm gonna take AI shortcuts. If a picture is made by an artificial intelligence then the best you can be is an artificial artist.
@kaksspl it can be but also rewarding if willing to take the dedication and timing... The fact that people only want the fast results make me question if they even want more than slop they complain about sometimes
No, I completely agree with that. While I can draw to a decent standard, I really don't enjoy the process, so I just commission artists instead and myself focus on writing.
@aristedes9449 Least you're willing to. Lot just now use it to not do that. I can agree we artists can get annoying to work with or some tend to be high pricing which even I disliked doing when tried to do commms. But given how some charge for things even stuff imo don't warrant the prices they push, I expect it. And yet these ai users want to charge or patron their generated slop using data trained from work of others. And yet one calls artists parasites??
This is prime Dunning-Kruger... FIY, any artist who hypes himself like this most likely isn't on a high level (and this is confirmed in this case when I look at his art). High level artists often suffer from the opposite problem, impostor syndrome.
@@alienrenders Usually synths are just used as computer generated instruments. Analogous to drawing on an iPad rather than paper. But even including those generating arpeggios or randomized loops guided by inputs, they still require direct interface throughout the process, both in terms of notes/tempo and overall structure of a piece--especially considering it almost never consists of a single synth putting a single string of notes. The composition, however much (hand guided) automation the tools may have, is still being assembled and built from its individual parts by the artist. Prompting is a request for an end product fulfilled by an outside source, and that's it. Prompting is analogous to, and in fact functionally indistinguishable from, a commission. Now the commission may be picky and detailed, and in this case it may be written in youtube-style tags rather than coherent sentences, but in the end the only real difference is you're feeding it into a photbashing algorithm rather than a fiverr account. You're putting in a custom order at a restaurant and calling yourself a chef. This is not elitism or gatekeeping or narrow-mindedness. It's the rejection of a desperate, obvious false equivalence. Its genuinely insane to me that this has to be explained to full grown adults. It's so depressing that while the corporations bleeding our entire species dry is phasing out actual expression of actual humans for lorem ipsum slop cobbled together by glorified chat bots and photo filters from an anonymous pool of actual art, a bunch of delusional, bootlicking, no-internal-monologue-having, creatively and intellectually bankrupt tools will praise it as some populist victory equivalent to the invention of the printing press. They won't even let society grieve the literal death of popular/commercial art in peace.
I am not sure if it is just me as someone who has drawn for years I have come to the realization that I suck. I will probably never improve. I am actually impressed at how bad I am. I am sure there is a group of artists who are self-aware of how bad they are and know they won't improve much. To put it simply, we know we are not geniuses but we are smart enough to know how dumb we really are.
Whenever I hate my art and think I'm bad at least I can remember I actually drew the art I do end up liking or not liking, and I wouldn't have it any other way. When I think AI assisted I think about using an AI image as reference to make your own art which I don't necessarily disagree with, especially with Jazza's brother I now wish I didn't know existed.
This weekend I fell down the rabbit hole of Shad and AI bros, Trying to sell me on AI art. Which has now inspired me to go out and buy a sketchbook, and learn to draw hands better. Cause that's what an actual Artist does.
@@min-fel Good for you for being a gatekeeper. I may be a mediocre artist, but I don't just blindly trust AI to do the work for me. I don't just create the work with AI, I analyze the work, compare it with works created by human artists, keep track of the similarities and mistakes, practice shapes, anatomy, perspective and shading to the best of my ability. Also, I have never monetized AI-generated art, and I never will. To me, AI art is merely a crutch and a tool for inspiration, but I'm aware that observing human art and learning by physically doing it is the only way to improve. I was doing art by myself for 11 years, even before AI art became popular, and I intend to keep creating things with my own hands, rather than relying on some obscure,, half-baked machine that spews out "art". AI is just another tool in my arsenal, like the Smudge Tool or the Spot Healing Brush. TL:DR: AI art may not help you to become a "actual" artist, but a passionate and curious artist can still use it to try and improve his skills, at least on some level.
I do like how he tries to gaslight Jazza that he draws at a professional level when Jazza is an actual professional artist and has been for years. Also hilarious considering he is glossing over the mistakes AI makes.
As an amatuer who had reached roughly shad's level (with better anatomical knowledge) I can tell you absolutely that he has not. He could definitely find people to throw 20 dollars at him on deviantart for a commission now and then, but would not be hired as a professional artist.
@@justin_5631 That's probably what he means by people commissioning him. I've been drawing for a long time and even I wouldn't say I'm at a professional level. There's a huge jump between a real pro and a hobbyist. Had Shad kept on the path he would have gotten there one day just like anyone would with enough time and dedication instead he'd rather be lazy.
That was really awkward watching that interaction between him and his brother. You could tell how uncomfortable Jazza was because he’s too nice to tell Shad what a dickhead he’s being.
Watching Shad claim he is professional level with a strength in anatomy in particular when his drawings are ... decent at best with rather poor anatomy, its all just so cringe man, i've lost respect for the guy
As someone with literal a literal fine arts degree in painting listening to Shad tell us that his work is "like painting with a brush" is so insulting. He spent two whole hours making his "art"??? Wow that's great shad my last painting took 4 months and I had to physically create the thing, I didn't get to use a computer program to create my image and it still turned out a hell of a lot better than whatever he made.
This dude saying "My artistry is actually at a professional level" while the most amateurish shit is popping up on the screen is the funniest shit I've seen all year.
It's funny how Shad's brother is going to such pains trying not to offend Shad, while Shad doesn't care about his brother at all, claiming he's as good as Jazza, who has years of experience as a professional artist.
@@falco5148their relationship as brothers likely informs a lot of how Jazza interacts with him. Imagine attending a family gathering after you roast the shit out of your brother publicly on the internet.
It makes everything generic, like my profile picture 3 years ago people be stop and think “someone made that wtf” now anything is just “oh I can tell a ai to do that easy”
I don't like this argument, cuz it could easily be turned towards artists whose work you don't like. I'd rather go with "it has to be made by humans". The results from ai engines are not made by humans.
I love how he thinks of himself as an anatomy genius and yet cant see how fucking big her head is compared to the rest of her body, and the funniest part is that this type of mistake is something that is common amongst COMPLETE BEGINNERS who normally learn to draw the face before learning proportions and anatomy correctly. I've done those same mistakes multiple times in the past but by actually learning how to draw and studying the subject I eventually learned how to at least make the proportions dont look off putting
Yeah... I paused on some of his other drawings, because he specifically mentions anatomy, not proportions perse, and lo and behold, you can spot many anatomycal errors, the most obvious for me is the sartorious not crossing the joint, which is silly as it is the most fun aspect of the muscle... So.. where was that knowledge?
Because I was an absolute rascal of a child and never listened to anyone's advice, I didn't start actually applying the stydy of anatomy to my art until quite late, and by that time I already almost had it just by trial and error. What's weird is until you know what you're looking for you don't really see it. I drew a lot of stuff in my childhood years and very early teens that I swear were absolutely awesome when I made them, now I pull them out (I have nearly every piece I've ever made stored in two big boxes) and they look like absolute dogwater. I mean I definitely had talent, but the proportions are so off, it's weird how now I can intuitively tell when something's off, but back then it was a lot different. In short, especially if you're inefficient about it like me (trial and error instead of study) this stuff takes a fair bit of work to get right, and someone who is genuinely experienced will be able to do it with no effort at all. Knowing my own past doggedness when it comes to ''my process'' I can't help but wonder if Shad suffers from the same sort of inability to just sit down and learn. I think he really wishes he could just intuitively make perfect art, which is why he loves AI so much. He's unwilling to learn, and that makes AI a perfect tool for him as someone with *some* experience and clearly some talent but not much of either. I'm glad I had to learn to draw because when I was still struggling with things there were no tools that you could use to really pretty up and mask things. Hell when I moved to digital it was with an essentially useless tablet and no money for any kind of good software, or knowledge of actually good software that would have been free. I started drawing with a mouse, and I still do that actually, it was a painful process to go from being near professional level on paper, to absolutely sucking at digital art, but I'm so glad I went through the trouble of learning, because learning is fun, and actually I'd argue it's a big part of what makes art fun, when you *actually learn* things, you actually get to brag about what you've learned, something AI ''artists'' will never get to experience.
Shad talking about how he "really feels like he's putting brush to canvas" while just,, directing vaguely to the ai reminds me of how industry executives must feel when they boss the art team around. "Look at this team that I am leading. They surely could not have done this without me, really, I'm the TRUE artist!" when actually they're just parasites who squash creativity.
Yeah pretty much, the Ai and shad wouldn't've made the image in by their own... i'm glad you went to that conclusion... its almost as if a brush without being led by a painter would'nt do anything.... imagine that! All that you have the problem is shad not spending 2 years learning a skill and instead leveraging and multiplying his skillset with Ai.
@@agent1798 My guy if you don't want to learn to draw I've got good news for you: you don't need to be GOOD at drawing to make good content. Like, look at Go Nagai's art style in Devilman, tell me that's great drawings and I'll laugh in your face, and yet he still made a compelling thing. Or Cyborg 009. Or if you want to get into other media: I Wanna Be The Guy, the first Scream movie, Calvin and Hobbes. None of those are exactly acclaimed for their graphics/art/costumes/choreography, they're good because they appeal to the people they're going for. No one needs to be a Don Bluth here. But what Shadiversity is doing is throwing a thousand monkeys at a typewriter and claiming he's as much of a writer as Shakespeare.
I had a similar experience to this and it really creeped me out. I had a hard deadline at work to get a chunk of code running in a language I had no familiarity with. I decided my best bet under the time constraint was to hammer away at Chat-GPT and hope that it would eventually give me something I could work with. Eventually it did, and by the end of the day I found myself thinking "I can't believe I actually figured that out in time!". And then I had to catch myself. What I did was just guess and check, but I got the same sense of accomplishment once I was done, which scared the crap out of me.
His actual art without the AI isn't bad. It has a very mid-2000s webcomic kinda look to it that some people really like and is also where a lot of really great artist started. That is to say, why's he gotta use AI?
“Perfection” just means “Beautiful art station trending pretty image nice art” He’s so artistically illiterate that his idea of perfect art is just whatever over-rendered high res stuff that gets posted to Art Station on a daily basis. It’s the character art equivalent of taking photographs of sunsets and puppies.
What breaks my heart with these AI illustrations are always the faces. The examples you show at the beginning demonstrates it perfectly: all these hand-painted female character have unique faces. They might look a bit weird, but they look like unique people. The AI art ALWAYS ends up gravitating towards the ONE „female comic face“. The most generic „pretty young woman“ face. And the AI-„artists“ don‘t even realize it. Because they don‘t do „art“. They didn‘t paint the face in a unique way the first time because they wanted to have a unique face, it just „happened“, and then the AI „art“ erases that without the „artist“ even realizing what has gotten lost in the process.
@@BlargvsBlorgthis is just… wrong. A skilled artist is completely unmatched by (current) ai. Unfortunately ai is incredibly cheap so it’s still a threat to creatives
@@BlargvsBlorg no, yet you go on and on about what a skilled artist would do, which is annoying as hell because you don’t have the authority to say so.
It generates towards a generic face because most people don't know how to describe facial features properly. Not really much different than photoshop; you can be lazy as shit and make things that are easily identifiable hack jobs, or you can learn and refine how to use the advanced features. I'll expand on that; if you get mugged and have to describe to a sketch artist what the mugger looked like and you just say 'a man', that artist is simply going to revert to the most comfortable stereotype they know. But if you can properly describe things like jowls or nose types or states of emotion, you'll get much closer to the truth. Whether you like AI or not, that's how it works and I'm fucken sick of watching people talk about it like it's just a one-button waifu generator. Clearly none of these idiots are aware of what controlnet is, or a lora, or how to describe lens types or film grain to get a specific image quality. All they see is the cynical commercial applications and hornyposters.
@@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control Because that's what's being used for, I couldn't care less about all this shit as long as this thing exists and is a threat to true artist's livelihoods.
Jazz was trying so hard not to offend him, poor guy My god, they are actually brothers? Man, if my sibling came to me, an actual professional artist, and called themself an artist by using AI, I would cut all content I might commit a crime 😂
Most of AI artists I met are SOOOOO arrogant. They can't shut up about how much time they dedicated to learning how to use prompts or how they spent 12 hours generating a single image. Well, my artist friend dedicated her ENTIRE LIFE to learning to draw realistic humans. AI works might look cute at the first sight, but anybody with at least basic knowledge of anatomy, perspective and lighting can spot lots of issues in most of them. I really like AI artists who don't use copyrighted works to feed their AI and are also open about how little time it took them to generate an image
Comments like "bruh you dont know how ai works i did a course at uni so i know what im talking about trust me ai is the SHEEEEEIT" are quite common among their kin
the most important part for me is there's no soul in it ,when people see the pic they generated ,it'll be the original stuff/style used to feed the AI ,it'll be the original artist's name ,not the prompter's
@DiamondLS agreed, in my case I am just using A.I. art as a placeholder in a card game I am working on. I have full intentions to replace them with an actual artist once I get the funds to hire one or two. I also have no idea how to self publish or even write rules but I am learning. Also no job so funds are tight.
“How can you say it was ai when it was done in photoshopped “ You had a robot do one thing then you fixed it up This shit is the worst And it took away my friends art (he used to draw . I miss his drawings)
honestly i think the point of ai "artists" not being able to have their skills if one tool is taken away from them is a very valid point For example if my ability to make digital art is taken away, i can still do traditional art, if that is taken away i do still have a sense of color theory i can use for other things such as decoration or for other things like making logos and the like My artistic skill is diverse and touches on several topics, while for ai "artists" have the problem of their skills only being able to be applicable to at most photography which even then as i have myself experienced i am much better at taking photos due to my experience in creating a good drawing
What's really sad is that his own art isn't even that bad. He has a very distinct style in his own works that makes me think of 90's/early 2000's comics and cartoons. The man is so incredibly self conscious about his own skills when he really doesn't need to be, especially for someone who doesn't enjoy art for the sake of it.
I was thinking the same thing! He could definitely work with that style, it gives me the vibes of fantasy mangas and games from the 90s and early 2000s. If he put in the work and got a grasp on the fundamentals, his work could be far more interesting than the AI schlock he's churning out
He wrote a fantasy novel (maybe more than one by this point) and he is knowledgeable about swords and things, so it's not like he's lazy. But I do think he shouldn't be taking credit for work that the AI does for him. He can just say, "I choose to spend my limited time becoming a better writer, rather than focusing on art".
I was a big fan of shad for a while, like more than 5 years, but "Training an AI to put my wife's face on fetishistic AI art so its not that sinful" isn't in the list of moves I thought he'd go with. It was so weird to see him prompt/coherce jazza into telling him he has the skills of a pro artist, and I just don't know what to think of it all.
I was too, for a long ass time too. Some comments about "woke stuff" put me off sometimes, but I moved past it. After seeing him do a collab with a borderline alt right history youtuber about egyptian history (far from his area of research btw), I dipped. Seeing this, I am very thankful I did.
Oh btw, I was researching for a little bit about Shad and I just saw that the youtuber Shad collabed I was talking about was fucking SARGON OF AKKAD, a dude who was banned from YT by his ultra right wing """hot takes""".
You're not alone there. Used to love his videos. He'd make the occasional social statement that I didn't really align with but I ignored it because I wanted to be reasonable and not condemn a creator I otherwise liked just because we had differing political views. But the more he talked the more close-minded he started sounding, and now he's shilling unethical tools that are harmful to real artists all while putting himself on a pedestal and lashing out at anyone who disagrees. Also he wouldn't stop complaining about his "dying channel" and it got annoying
@@16minutesinspace You can't purposefully limit the amount of people who can enjoy your channel by pushing forth divisive topics like politics and AI use, then complain about your subscriber base getting lowered. It's like putting a filter on your channel to only allow a certain type of person to enjoy your content. The more polarizing you are, the less people who were there before that polarization will remain. If he can't see that, it's his problem, not everyone else's. It's time he realizes that.
The AI almost isnt the point for me, its the way his ego is tied to this. He is insisting that he HAS to be treated as a good artist and if people disagree they are EVIL LIARS. When his brother says good artists cant work he just assumes its about skill, but we all know it isnt, they are all, without exception better than him.
The thing about AI art is that theres no way to distinguish between someone who spent 5 mins on an ai tools vs someone who spent months perfecting a picture. With normal art, you can very easily tell whether someone have just started or have been drawing for years just by looking at their artworks.
See? I didn't /just/ put a frozen walmart pizza in the oven.. I took the time to put some cheap mozarella and rubbery prosciutto on top of the original ingredients and hope no one notices. I am such a good chef.
I love how fast they abandon the idea that this is "democratizing art" and making it "more accessible" as soon as they need to defend their pride and make it seem far more difficult so they can get the same accolades as the artist's they're stealing from.
As someone who’s heard Shad’s political discussions I think he would take great offense to calling AI art the “Socialist redistribution of talent and work to the untalented and lazy” So I say we should do that.
@@lucascoval828it will get better. In fact, technology improves every year. The only people who are complaining about AI are the ones coping for the inevitable. It's going to happen so you might as well learn the skill now and improve as technology improves so you don't find yourself unemployed or working in a restaurant in 5 years
finding out this guy is jazza's BROTHER was a jumpscare 😭how can you be so closely related to someone so creative and talented and value art so little?
There definitely is a level of skill involved in AI art, but there is a level of skill involved in literally anything. Just because you can get better at something doesn't mean it's a worthwhile "skill". Shad is like a god damn 7 year old who inists driving a bike with training wheels on is a real skil and he's just as good as the big boys now.
The other day, I ordered a Pizza with a custom list of toppings and extra cheese crust.
I am a chef and delivery services are one of my kitchen tools 😎
@@BlargvsBlorg Blender is also free, but skill don't come with it, and I have more fun with it than letting my computer have fun with Unstable Diffusion.
@@BlargvsBlorg I rather suffer a stroke than be forced to use Unstable Shitfussion.
i use both and i probably have more fun. see my comment up above, im just trying to inject some nuance here.@@dragondelsur5156
Damn. Order me one too next time. I wanna try your pizza.
“And for those who say that doesn’t make me a chef, after the pizza I made via the ordering menu chef tool arrived, I opened the box and rearranged the pepperonis, and that takes real chef skills. At a professional level.”
I miss when "AI Art" was just people asking AI to make weird shit for them, like "Obama eating a metal door while-... pissing gatorade" and then looking hilariously deformed.
I miss when it was pictures that looked like "something" but if you look at any part of the picture it really doesn't look like anything and your brain would just hurt.
@@anon746912 Teaching machines to peep the horror and then just lashing it down until it retches up something that roughly looks like real images and occasionally generating invisible static layers over an image that will increase the amount of people that associate this picture of a car with apples by 30% for nightmare black box reasons
i have some old ai art from midjourney, its like weird cyberpunky oil paintings kinda, full of artifacts and weird stuff that makes no sense, i feel like the imperfections and weirdness are the part that made it interesting
Fr, I've never seen anyone else show what nightmares look like
Me to man
Shadiversity after beating a Guitar Hero song on hard mode: As a trained, professional musician, and a perfectionist, I am perfectly qualified to teach this course on songwriting and advanced guitar techniques.
Fun fact: there were people actually flexing that Guitar Hero is more difficult than real guitar.
@@Sejten11I play guitar. The chord heavy songs are harder for me on guitar hero lol
@@Sejten11it's still better, at least they play something kinda similar to guitar(although still very far from a real guitar play), they aren't flexing a robot playing the guitar instead.
I'm more qualified to teach than him, since at least I've had two non consecutive years of actual guitar lessons, and actually know how to play one. And I'm not even remotely qualified to teach anything.
@@jonh2798acoustic or electric?
21:15 Please don't call them "Prompt engineers". They aren't engineers. I studied for years and got a masters degree in informatics engineering. I am an engineer. He's just a prompt maker, at the very best.
Ong, calling these people “engineers” is just as wrong as calling them artists. They’re just dudes typing a bunch of random words until a robot makes what they want. God I hate AI
More like prompt scribbler, looking at that text.
Anyone who is obsessed with their "engineer" title probably isn't an engineer. I've never heard of anyone so self entitled for getting an engineering degree.
@@DoggyP00What dude? Engineers are responsible for building and maintaining their nation. Pride is justifiable warranted.
@@anuragpradhan7500 Pride is fine. Being an in sufferable prick is not.
"Only my skilled eye can see the proportions beeing incorrect"
Also her proportions:
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Was thinking the same. Her head is massive and the foot he talked about getting correct.... wasn't even positioned correctly. He spent 2 hours making the original AI art a worse picture and wants credit. It's like a toddler scribbling glasses on your masterpiece and claiming they are the artist.
Uh..your emoji piece is far more interesting
"her shoulders are too broad" HUH ?
@@undeniablySomeGuyI was also very surprised by that. It’s obvious that it’s every other part of her body which is too small, not the shoulders being too wide.
AI would probably be more skilled at anatomy if that were actually true. The problem is it takes a good artist to train an AI to make good art.
AI bros constantly go back and forth on the "this took effort" and "this makes art so easy" line
I mean, they're right though. Generating + touching up takes a fraction of the time compared to achieving the same thing from scratch. It's insanely fast. But at the same time, it's not the myth of click-n-done. Gonna need neural interfaces for that to happen.
@@tahunuva4254 Or just better models. DALLE3 already has a much better text understanding than the old StableDiffusion1.5, which makes it much easier to put together complex scenes with just a text prompt that would have required a lot of manual in-painting previously.
Neural Interfaces might not be all that far of either, there is already a paper titled "High-resolution image reconstruction with latent diffusion models from human brain activity".
@@tahunuva4254 while yes, it's not a click-and-done type of stuff, but it's still a braindead process of typing, generate, generate, typing, generate, slider, generate, touch ups, typing, generate and on and on and on and on while lying to everyone and yourself that you're a "great artist" like Shad did.
The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
It is easy to take a photo of a person and capture exceptional detail, previously only possible from master painters.
However there is still a level of skill involved in capturing the perfectly framed posed and lit photo, thus why people with iPhones still pay professionals to get a good family portrait
@@DanzIndzyou are describing the difference between a script kiddie and a certified professional coder, which is itself a massive difference in skill level.
17:23 "oh good hes going to fix her melon head."
Shad: "Her shoulders are way too wide."
"Fuck"
"I can draw feet" ~montage of Liefeld-ian proportions~
you can tell its shads art by him putting a mini skirt on all female characters
So Shad is an anime artist?
@@shellshockedgerman3947No, because then everyone would have breasts the size of Neptune.
Jazza breaking his back to not call out his brother live at a convention.
That clip really hurt to watch
Shocked to find out they are brothers... Jazza has always been such a warm spot for learning to draw to have his own brother act like this... it must be so hurtful.
The pain in his face hurt me to watch
I only just found out they’re brothers, they’re so different and shad is such a weird cringy dude , hard to imagine they’re brothers
It sounds like his brother got into art for personal reasons, which is surprising. I thought that he was in it for the soulless, easy money. It’s unfortunate that he fuels his work with jealousy instead of literally any other positive emotion.
There's something incredibly disturbing about watching a man put his wife's face onto AI generated models and constantly adjust anatomical proportions while also completing ignoring anatomical realism such as fingers, proportions, lighting, head-to-body ratio, etc. Those shoulders weren't too wide... that wasn't the problem.
If I'm not mistaken I think he also made her a lot skinnier than she looks in real life which is just very disturbing to me
"I'm a perfectionist."
Wow that's not very body positivity of you Shad.
the fact her head got even bigger and more out of proportion than his "art" 6 months ago is hilarious, there is zero artistry in what he is doing at all lmao
It really gives off this idea that Shad thinks "women can't have broad shoulders" even though it is perfectly normal for women to have broad shoulders, he just can't handle women not fitting his very specific fantasy of what he believes they should look like.
Star trek voyager had a fun episode about this. Character realized complete control is messed up.
I ran 60mph yesterday. Yeah I was in a car, but I was pushing the gas pedal and steering. Not even Usain Bolt can look down on me for my speed.
You know, it makes perfect sense that Shadiversity would be an AI art bro. He's always been the sort of person that twists his own standards to glorify the things he likes and shit on the things he doesn't (historical accuracy is paramount except when it isn't, a weapon being effective is essential except when it isn't, realistic worldbuilding is all-important except when it isn't), and pretends like his book is a flawless monument of fantasy literature when it...very much is not. Of course he'd do the same thing for this.
For some reason, he has really, really attached everything on his double bladed sword, attempting to do his best to demonstrate why it is an unsung god-tier weapon.
I mean, he could use simple logic: there's a reason why Halbeards, quaterstaffs, Naginatas and bo-staff are far more common weapons and no one seriously tried to forge two swords together to make sword-staff. It just isn't practical.
yeah il be honest, i used to watch him years and years ago, when he spoke about detailed world building inspired by brandon sanderson and detailed magic systems that make sense and have rules i got intruiged by his book so read it
hooo boy is it bad, genuinly just abysmally writen (and has a lot of "the artists barely disguised fetish" shit hanging around in it too)
and it just immediatly keyed me in that this guy has no idea what hes talking about
then a year or 2 after i stopped watching him i hard some of his political views.....yeah im very glad i stopped
As a long time fan of his channel (but not him as a person) you can REALLY tell he's very egotistical and stubborn.
In his sword making videos, his colleagues often disagree with him on what they should do and he just overrules them, only for them to be proven right many episodes later, meaning they wasted a lot of money because he refused to listen.
And when his book did really well (I actually do love it), he bought a MASSIVE section of land. Except he didn't buy it. He got a mortgage. As an Australian, I can promise that the property market in Australia is beyond screwed and getting worse every year, and will get worse every year until the whole country riots on the level of the BLM 2020 protests. Mortgages are a massive scam you're forced into because renting is even worse (I'm only 25 and I've nearly died in rentals multiple times). So signing up for a mortgage based on a sporadic income relying on ONE book for the deposit is a TERRIBLE idea.
Point being, now he's constantly releasing videos on how his channel is dying. It's rough that the algorithm is punishing him for no reason, but he'd be in a WAY better position if his reaction to his highly successful book release wasn't "I'M RICH NOW!" and signing up for a loan he could never pay back.
The guy just keeps digging himself further and further down.
It says a lot about the strength of your beliefs when you have to lie 10 times for every thing you say.
@@wafflingmean4477 the "algorithm" isnt punishing him
people are just not watching him anymore cos his content is bad and hes an awfull person
'' My artistry is actually at a professional level '' Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king
I had that classic Tywin Lannister quote in my head too 😆
that clip was so brutal to watch, i'd rather go back to having tweaker roommates tell me about how the moon's a hologram and the cops can't convict you if the courtroom has a tassled flag, at least those conversations can be fun. dude was on the verge of a public breakdown if he didn't get that obviously forced "yes"
i love how these guys get offended if you critique the thing that the computer made
If thats the professional level then I need to change careers!
@@spacekitt.ngrabted some of the regular artists also break down when you critique some doodle they made so nothing new in art world.
Shad: "It's human art that's just AI-assisted!"
Based on Shad's process, it looks more like AI art that's HUMAN-assisted.
@@BlargvsBlorg „AI Art looks better than most Human art”
1. That is kind of false, once you look at how generic it looks.
2. Please, the only reason for its quality is because it steals and copies from the best human artists.
„At the end of the day, no one cares about of how products are made, only the end result.”
This type of thinking is evil, and you know it.
„Otherwise, people would protest 99% of all their goods comes from China and its sweatshops”
How about we actually start protesting then?
@@BlargvsBlorgthis is the most braindead take on AI I have ever seen holy shit. Are you okay?
@@BlargvsBlorg „Machines are thus superior to human artwork”
Speed is not a part of art. Speed is not part of the value of art. This type of thinking is, simply put, anti-human, and anti-artist.
„The economy would collapse if you tried”
It will collapse anyway when global warming shows it effects in the near future.
Also, if an economy is based on evil things, then it ought to be ended.
„Since most people already live paycheck to paycheck already”
Meanse we are morally obligated to increase minimum wage, and to bring back unions at their full force, to actually improve wages. And also to build cheap(or even free) housing en mass, and to support free healthcare, to allow people to save more.
@@BlargvsBlorg „Anyone who sells art commercially is absolutely affected by speed”
Irrelevant. Speed is not important for the artistic value.
„Lol, so why are you even concerned by AI if we're all going to die in the end? ”
Because I want to make the world better, and to avoid the negative future.
„Sounds great except, who's paying for it? ”
THe governments of the world, who ought to put massive wealth taxes, land value taxes, and also a tax on automation.
@@BlargvsBlorg „It clearly is since any Artist would get fired for failing to do a job. Or do you seriously think people have time to sit around and wait for someone to deliver an unfinished sketch forever? ”
Stop thinking like a capitalist please.
„Did you miss all the scientists back in 2010 who said the climate is past the point of return? ”
Of course not. But we can limit how bad it will be.
„Because governments never run out of money that you're telling them to go borrow forever right? Go look at Venezuela or Cuba when you try and make everything "free". It just creates more poor people. ”
Dude. Using those as examples? And not the more functional examples of the various EU social programs?
God The way Shad talks to Jazza in the clip provided is giving massive golden child complaining to family scapegoat/ or peace keeper vibes. It looks like, "I can do no wrong and have asked you for feedback I’m wholly incapable of hearing because my ego is bigger than my capacity to Handle criticism necessary to improve."
You give me mentally ill vibes.
@@DoggyP00???????
shad boils down to, older brother that is painfully insecure that his younger brother is more popular and more skilled than him at art
Shadversity's older art has a unique late 90's/early 2000's vibe that has charm to it. His AI non-sense has no personality
When he said "it's proffesional level" I was just thinking about old video games like beyond good and evil, and cartoons like huntik and how yeah, his art fits perfectly. Jak and dakstar is another one. It's profoundly of its time and I hate to call a style outdated but it's certainly dated atleast. I like that style though.
I feel like he needs to just be okay with where he is. He’s not terrible. He just needs more practice and fine tuning. He could come up with a unique cartoon style.
Honestly he's better at drawing people than I am. I've thrown my lot in with water colour and printing and focus on animals and plants. Can't draw people to save my life. His early art is really charming, has that retro early 2000s vibe to it like a punkish Winx club. If he hadn't gone down the AI pipeline I could have really seen him growing a fanbase and making some amazing work. But that's probably all gone now, artists hate him and he's killed his personal style. It's sad tbh
His older art really had the feel of early digital fantasy art on the Internet, that was part anime and part western.
Cos its not “his”, it’s just stolen and put together art
On a side note, Supergirl having to fight against hundreds of AI-generated copies of herself would make a rather interesting comic storyline.
Ikr? A modern touch lol. 😂
One of them should be Galatea/Powergirl for lore reasons :D
The fight could happen on a planet with multiple suns
@@Problemsolver434 Tatooine XD
I am kind of disturbed on how shad seems to widen supergirl's nose tho, is he basing it on someone irl?
"My skills are increasing" is an insult not to just Digital Artists but anyone with an artistic hobby to begin with
sounds like someone has an inferiority complex. im no therapist but it sounds like he feels overshadowed by jazza
Oh for sure. Even more obvious when he says they are the same level but have their own "strengths".
It's weird how Shad's decided to put so much time and ego into a creative field that he doesn't actually enjoy.
It's that jealousy he has toward his brother. He wants to be better than Jazza but doesn't want to do the work to actually achieve the skill to do so. He's a typical narcissistic person with a fragile ego who sees other's success/skills as a threat.
@@Vercanya Which is weird since he's already a novelist. They both have their respective talents. He's the writer and Jazza is the artist. They could team up and publish a graphic novel if they want.
@@techwizpc4484 hes... A terrible novelist. But i guess he is one
@@ferrariofantioch2865 I wouldn't call him a novelist when his book is a power fantasy dumpsterfire, he only published one and that was before the AIpocaypse. I already see him using ChatShitPT to make the next book for him, and then the next one and the next one.
@@techwizpc4484 Because no one reads anymore. Looking at art doesn't require effort. He has a skill that no one appreciates.
It's so wierd that someone with such an "artist's eye" never noticed the sun in the background reflecting off the front of her costume
anyone who knows how lighting works in cinematography will tell you that the brightest highlights should be created by the brightest light source. Besides, there's nothing artistic or "progress" about mashing together a bunch of stolen art into a crude representation of an idea you aren't skilled enough to create yourself. @@BlargvsBlorg
@@BlargvsBlorg it's crazy how quickly you people show your hatred towards actual artists lol. You didn't even bother to dispute anything I said.
I'm not attacking science; I'm defending art, which you're attacking. I'm not worried though, if history shows anything it's that we'll never stop creating art.
@DPH-sp9vt most of them are mad that crypto died (no matter how much they insist it hasn't) and are wanting this to be their next get rich method. Because surely this'll be the revolution right? Its not a bubble. Is it any wonder they say "you'll be replaced" the same way people in crypto called everyone poor
@@BlargvsBlorg yes that's exactly what I'm going to do. Also, unaliving myself, maybe. Fuck I wish I never was born.
@@DPH-sp9vtFAX BROTHER!!! SPEAK YO SHIT INDEED!
Cant believe this is how i learn that shadiversity is jazzas evil twin
Literally same (also, this would be an interesting concept for a superhero story. A superhero whose power is to make things come alive with his drawings learns his brother, who doesnt wanna devote his life to learning how to draw, has dabbled with dark powers (AI) and now our original artist superhero has to fight through hordes of uncanny valley images)
The only thing that separates shads AI machinations from other AI machinations is that some people try and generate women with pants; a concept that the algorithm in Shad's brain doesn't comprehend
I literally counted how many of his AI girls wore skirts and it was like a dozen
I distrust Shad’s opinion so much now that I’m starting to believe that nunchucks are an effective self defense weapon
They... actually are. Well, maybe not self defense, but for agression, yes. They were used by street gangs. A few people have made great videos debunking Shad on this subject as well.
@@GamePlayMetal I just couldn't take it anymore with him focusing on the lowest common denominator opinion and then making a multi part 30 min ep series rambling in his backyard with his evidence being whatever thoughts pop up into his head at that exact moment. He was entirely wrong about the power output where a video showed nunchucks making 90% of the hit force as a stick and then goes "Yes but here's another idea I just came up with that I'm going to waste 30 minutes of your life ranting about". The one example he showed of the security footage of the guy attempting to use nunchucks against multiple robbers running at him would have still gotten beat up if he had a stupid stick. Rant over. I wanna find those videos responding to him now
@@ravensharpless I think this one is pretty good, if you can get past the asmr voice, but the guy knows his subject very well ua-cam.com/video/UpXxw1dnhkU/v-deo.html
@@ravensharpless He seriously thought that an untrained schlub flailing nunchucks and sticks around was a valid was to test how they compare as weapons.
Ok but his logic behind Sticks > nunchucks makes perfect sense, you can't get as much leverage or proper FORCE into a nunchuck as you can a stick
Its better to be a terrible artist than an AI prompter that deludes himself
@@tomwalker8944you sound like the kind of guy who goes into their neighbors yard to dig up grubs for a midnight snack
@@tomwalker8944find a purpose sore loser
@@BlargvsBlorg thinking that AI artists will be able to find jobs is the biggest cope here. There is nothing in the AI field that would take too long for an actual artist to master, you think people who spend years to learn to render accurate anatomy in realistic perspective while composing stunning pictures from scratch would be unable to figure out how to use ControlNet if they had to?
There is only two scenarios here - either the technology hits a plateau after automating a number of technical artistic tasks making the field even more competitive for the actual artists that would be assisted by the AI, or it will eventually get so good that there will literally be no jobs in the art industry, because automating the "prompting" part is just a matter of time.
@@BlargvsBlorg again, there is next to nothing to be "skilled at" when it comes to AI art, so calling an actual artist that is able to execute actual artistic skills an "AI artist" just for being able to use AI in their workflow is silly in the first place.
By that logic every single artist is just a month of software learning away from becoming an "AI artist". That's why I'm saying that people who are getting into art through AI aren't the ones that are gonna get any jobs, because it's a useless grift, no company is gonna offer you a good paycheck for the skill of generating derivative work that anyone can learn in a matter of days.
Also traditional artists aren't going to be affected by this, it's obviously just about the digital art.
@@BlargvsBlorg I don't really care what "challenge" you're talking about because there is no way it would hold any statistical value to talk about the %, but Shad's "work" here just looks like another bland AI image with a stiff pose, broken perspective, bad proportions and mindless lighting and composition, also just generally awful taste. Him going all "tips fedora" when scaling the character's shoulders to make her giant head look even bigger is a great example of "AI artists" either not knowing theory or not having it practiced, because the original issue was with the wonky perspective. If you genuinely think it looks impressive, then this not a discussion for a YT comments dispute, too much to unpack.
Also you have no idea what people value in traditional art if you think they'd be interested in a robot's work. Manufacturing only made handmade stuff more valuable.
The only connection between ai and art is the increasingly alarming decision to put those two words next to eachother
Equally alarming is the increasing tendency of the lay public (at least) to apply the term 'AI' to any sort of computer-assisted or computer-generated thing. Another word whose meaning is being quickly diluted.
Imagine relying on AI when you could just ask your brother who is an actual good artist for help
Listening to Jazza TRY to get a word in with Shadiversity was…painful. Jazza does art for a living. He’s good at it. Shad’s thing is medieval history and weaponry. I’m not saying Shad shouldn’t try to expand or have a hobby, but…it was almost like he was trying to say he was better at the art than Jazza.
No, shad was saying he was better than Rob Liefeld, the artist who was paid by marvel comics to draw that captain america cover that everyone roasted; shad's art is better than that, therefore shad is at the professional level, is the argument he was making.
@@Sanguine1849 Thanks for clarifying (it was difficult to hear exactly what was said). I haven’t seen the Captain America cover myself so I can’t judge at all, but…even if the cover was bad, Shad’s attitude about it? Reflects more negatively on him. Saying he could be better, or do better than someone paid by Marvel? That seems pretty egotistical.
@@HelenaCross well, the specific marvel artwork i referenced was just an example, the general point is that there are professional artists that get paid, whose work you can compare to non-paid artists' works that are better than the paid art, which makes those non-paid artists' works at the professional level, since professional only means someone who is paid for work, and doesn't necessarily mean skilled labor.
And someone saying their work is better than a marvel-paid artist IS an egotistical thing to say, but i reject the notion that ego is somehow a negative personality trait. But, that is just my view, shaped by Ayn Rand's works and other egoist/individualist types (hans-hermann hoppe, ludwig von mises, murray rothbard, etc).
@@Sanguine1849 Shad's art is less shit than historically shit professional art, so there Shad is actually amazing. I guess.
@@Grogeous_Maximus no, the bar for professional art is so low, even shad's art meets the visual criterion to be called professional-level, which isn't saying much
the thing about him putting his wife's face on every female character he makes rubs me the wrong way
For real
Why
@@shokujinki its a real person that hes projecting on a fictional character, despite the fictional character not being representative of his wife.
@gfries4906 oh I think I get it now. Like his saying:
"Your face is ok, but your body... I can improve that, look that ilustration, much hotter than you now"
@@shokujinki Exactly, it just feels like Shad is using his wife to objectify her for his "art" and it kinda creeps me out (being a woman and an artist myself). Just idk i think its weird and dehumanizing...
Imagine someone running a marathon on horseback and demanding a medal, because they covered the same distance as everyone else, and they're not even particularly good at horseback riding. That's what we're watching.
Actually you do need to be a kinda decent rider to win a marathon on horseback. You should try googling Man versus Horse Marathon - but the tl;dr is humans don't stack up too terribly at longer distances against our equine friends!
Most artists don't self-congratulate like this guy does because we know that we can always be better.
It's Dunning-Kruger: Eventually you get to a point where you realize that your skills aren't as sustainable as you hope them to be, and you have to work REALLY HARD to climb out of that valley of despair.
Art is about solving problems and making decisions. When you let the AI call all the shots, you deprive yourself of that experience and knowledge and growth.
I feel like he's been jealous of his brother for decades, and AI art has pushed him towards delusion over actually competing and putting in real effort
That turd isnt a percent of Jazza
I do feel a bit bad for him. Part of me can understand how and why he's acting in the way he is, having grown up constantly pressured to perform as well as his brother, having to turn to the dark side to make peace with his own self-conscious
I really don’t want to psychoanalyze their relationship, as it’s really not my place, but this seems too blatant to not be mentioned. Like not even subtle: references to artists being “born talented” and claiming that “his work” requires some high level technical knowledge and skill, while simultaneously making art more accessible to the ‘non-talented, born lucky elites’ or whatever. It’s kinda sad; I hope they’re both doing well.
@@dogski2822claiming that artist are "born talented" trigger me hard because I've lived with my sister who, for most of my life, did freelance art and I've seen the process of making art and the slow and subtle improvements someone makes during the art making process.
@@CubsYTI don’t. I think he’s a sore loser who doesn’t wanna put work in
I find it hilarious that Shad’s brother is one of the most successful artists on the platform… like… imagine your sibling is a 5 star chef and you think you are just as talented as them because you managed to order dominoes…
@@BlargvsBlorg that's pretty hyperbolic, making good looking pictures require understanding of art even if your are using AI
@@BlargvsBlorghire him to do what? 😂 proofread his prompts to correct his spelling and get rid of doubles?
@@BlargvsBlorghis brother is an artist that actually loves doing what he does, so I doubt he'll throw it all away for AI "Art"
@@BlargvsBlorg atleast it takes genuine effort using a camera to capture a perfect picture or using electricity to power his computer so he can boot up photoshop to enhance his drawings and photos instead of typing words on a screen (of which are probably copied and pasted as the case with most of these guys like shad) to play a luck game, just to mildly edit it and make it look worse than it already did.
@@BlargvsBlorg I'm talking from an artistic view, not the everyday 'novelty' thing like selfies, which still takes more effort than AI so I don't get your point. Your blatantly using things that has nothing to do with art as a counter to art.
A.I. "art" isn't art. No one can change my mind about it.
You could say It's a picture at best or a bunch of stolen ACTUAL art poorly mixed together at worse
Yeah maybe we should’ve taken sci-fi more seriously and followed in the footsteps of dune, probably already is a god ai already evolving past the point of no return for us
@@eggheadusa9900 not yet. The AI that you mentioned don't exist just yet
They're what known as Artificial General Intelligence or Strong AI
Skynet is Strong AI which is still don't exist just yet
AI that we have nowadays is Weak AI or Narrow Artificial Intelligence which is what known as Chat box back then + Diffusion model (It's not real AI)
@@G.A.C_Preserve There’s 100% classified Ai, whatever the general public has is nothing compared to what the military complex has
The thing that bothers me is that images generated by an algorithm take the emmotoonal aspect out of art completely,
The meaning and connection to art is what makes "art" art
Weighting ‘bad art’ negatively is wild to me
Who's deciding what bad art is, what bad anatomy is, what bad coloring is? I think that’s what I find so dumb and frustrating about ai art, these people just telling the machine ‘make it good and not bad’, there’s zero intention behind it
I mean, the reason they do it is because it works. AI doesn't read these prompts as they are, it converts it into a large matrix, which is an mathematical representation of the collection of ideas, practically a bunch of numbers. The "bad art" in the prompt just tells it to avoid a part of latent space that contains esthetically unpleasing results. So it's not a philosophy, but pure math.
By the way, there are better and more effective ways to put this idea into the AI, but even though Shad constantly brags about him being super-knowledgable in all the models and extensions, he doesn't know a better way than showing a word salad into a negative prompt.
@@mikumikuareka Aesthetically unpleasing is still subjective and the computer doesnt have a way to qualify the statement.
@@whitmanbarber2548 it is subjective, but it is based on how most of the people would call it. It learns by averaging the way humans on the Internet do it.
"My AI generated images have a particular look to them" ...bruh
That particular look being 'looks like it was made by an AI'
Yeah because all he does is put his wives face on Supergirl.
The funniest part is his own original drawings have more personality to them than the AI trash. Maybe not the most refined style, but clearly something that could be very distinct and interesting if he were willing to put real work into it.
This one really got to me... to me, this sounds like... he can remember which ai-generated images were the ones he prompted, so they seem different to him in his own mind
@@Mothpunkyeah I actually liked the stylistic direction he was going in his drawing. It’s just his ego is too fragile.
I feel so bad for jazza tbh. He tried to start a statement with "i love you but" and was immediately interrupted by his own brother denying it as if it was some kind of personal attack
Narcissistic people will do that. They don't want to hear other's criticism, they only accept praise.
Shad is that type of chad guy in the gym we seen trying to egolift and proud of executing shit
@@tiagopescealso there’s a wierd Mormon christian element that’s just nicely below the surface
What video is this? Cuz I think as an AI artist, deep down Jazza must recognise that a soulless machine regurgitating artworks goes against the spirit of art
he does, but probably not wanting to make a scene against his own brother in a public event
I mess with settings to find my perfect temprature with air conditioner, but I'm not desperate enough to call myself an engineer, or an air conditioning skill expert. It's like putting your elementary school on your resume.
My biggest problem is that if everything he does is intentional and thought out, why does it take so many repeated instances to get what he wants? If the process is as technical as Shad is portraying it to be, why does the vast majority of “art” he creates get completely scrapped?
The most uncomfortable thing about it is watching Shad play-up his elite artistic eye and deep artistic expression. I've seriously never heard any art hobbyist, professional, nor teacher/professor say anything like that.
Cringe
That's the craziest part to me. I have never heard someone brag so openly about their supposed skill level.
The fact that he seems to overestimate his own skill significantly doesn't help
Its egotistical narcisism and its no shock coming from shad.
It’s the same mentality as modern art artist. Describe the art instead of having the art describe itself.
@@MaMastoastNever heard Leonardo da Vinci flex that hard before despite his great Artistic and Scientific knowledge
Gotta love how Shad, the guy who complains if the slightest detail of a fantasy work isn't "historically accurate," is putting his female characters in pleated mini skirts with thigh high leg armor.
I know, right?
Even his other '''works''' are, like, the most generic fantasy crap ever, what with the 'boobplates' on the women's armor and the uncovered parts.
He gives the vibes of someone who picks and chooses “historical accuracy” and “it’s just fantasy” depending on what’s convenient for him
As a Zelda fan boy, I'm glad I never watched his Master Sword video...
@janehates or even acknowledge that he isn't the artist. If anyone is the artist it's the AI and the people who's work it's trained on. Not the prompter.
You forget, he made a whole video defending the historical accuracy of boobplate armor. Man is willing to fight for shit that don't make sense just because it feels good for him.
I genuinely laughed out loud when he blurred the leg armor so the AI would show more thigh
Sad I found his channel, watched a few videos only to see man's a delusional hypocrite hours later through UA-cam's auto-complete search feature...
This video is so lovely and savage at the same time, thank you so much for speaking my mind! The ending quote "A.I. art is just ejaculated pixels resembling someone else's hard work and dedication" couldn't be any more truthful or funny, it will live rent free in my head now, freaking genius!
Sometimes, I go to Subway and order a sandwich, but I precisely ask for specific ingredients. I am a cook!!
You could do much better than that. As a real cook with a deep culinary vision, I'll typically spend at least 2 hours on my sandwich by giving it back and having them replace ingredients, typically at least a dozen times until I achieve the perfection I knew I could create
@@cocoahere875the subway employees' grimaces are how you know you're a real professional cook with a vision too complex for simple minds to comprehend
@@indridcold9593isn't it a thing for professionals to start their work simple and comprehensible and build on that?
The sad irony, for as "bad' as Shad's original art is, I find it infinitely more enjoyable to look at than his AI stuff. Despite the skill-level of it, it's got character and expresses what kind of person he is and what his interests are.
he was a year or two away from making very decent character art, but then he forever gave away his right to call himself an artist.
Yeah he actually has a unique style he could develop and call his own but he’s throwing it away for the quick and easy path, it’s sad
That’s the real bummer of it.
I looked at his art and there’s REAL potential there.
BUT getting to where he wanted to be takes a toll which he evidently didn’t want to pay, and so he was willing to sacrifice his artistic voice on the altar of perfectionism.
And I think the dunking on the flaws in his old work actually is the kind of thing that pushed him to that.
I almost feel sorry for the guy.
Almost.
It has potential it gives 2000er action cartoon vibes which is dope
His line art was not bad. He just needed to learn how to color. But I think he was aiming for more a more realistic style from what he made using AI.
It's scary that 7 months later, this video is still relevant.
The funny thing is it looks better before his 2.5 hours of fucking around
Dang, poor Jazza. His brother is literally the antithesis of everything Jazza is.
Ikr i feel bad for Jazza
I mean maybe on a personal level, but Jazza (thank God) isn't exactly making the counter-argument for AI-art either and has a much more nuanced take on what it does.
What? Never thought they were brothers
It's so cringe-inducing hearing Shad just trying to browbeat him into accepting the "I am a professional level artist" line.
He's one of those obnoxious guys who thinks that just talking over you until you give up makes them right.
He could not be more insecure that the "art" he worked on was never on par with his brother. He got to the shitty level he got to and gave up. Didn’t want to work any harder to get past his ceiling and now he’s jerking himself off because he found a tool that doesn’t require him to put in any actual work to improve as an artist and even come close to his brother who he forces to play to his fantasies about being a "professional artists." It’s pathetic as hell.
I get it now.
AI "artists" are the people that think commissioned art costs too much and takes too long, so they get a cheap robot to make their commission for them instantaneously and then claim the art as their own because its not like the robot can legally caim it.
Honestly commission is expensive
Not saying it's not worth the price
Just that I can't afford it unfortunately
One day, I hope I can pay an actual artist to make the work of my dream
Until then, I just got keep working to get there
@ctchimchar5258 smaller artists are your freinds there, lots of smaller artists have far lower prices for art thats often still very good, my profile picture is art i comissioned off my freind for like 20$
@@ctchimchar5258this is kind of the point. art is a luxury; there are many artists around the world who have various prices, ive met some who are very cheap and ive tipped them so what they get matches what i'd pay an "american" artist
Its always bothered me that people will say 'cheap robot'. Mainly because it wasn't cheap , and the 'artist' inside that robot is an unwitting thief.
If you're a professional artist and not using AI to make your commissioned art, you're probably spending too long on it/overcharging for it.
Use the AI and make some $$
Homie clicked the randomize button for 2 hours and thinks it makes him an artist.
This is honestly sad, you can tell Shad is jealous of his brother's artistic skill and feels he can't compare on his own
Seeing jazza passive aggressively say shads drawings aren't very good gives me life
That's not passive aggressive. At all.
That's him not wanting to call out his brother in public, but also not being willing to be bullied into saying what he knows is a lie.
It's not even that, the point he's making is that professional level artists aren't getting work, it is a big problem. Shad wants to make it about skill and how he's "professional level". The point is "bro, there are many artists 10 times better than you and they aren't getting work, because there's so few jobs".
I would say he is being polite.
That’s not what happened. What happened is his brother was making a fool of himself and Jazza was effectively as being as nice as possible without outright lying. However Shad can’t take a hint and insisted on pushing him until he was forced to make a mild statement of criticism.
@@ImortalZeus13 "Be honest, but only if you agree with every word I say".
It took me two hours to find what to watch on Netflix, that means I directed the movie I'm watching.
"A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning"
Netflix did not "generate" the movie.
The movie has been made.
Nothing in the movie changed by the 2 hours of searching.
@@AgentH53 its a joke, shad didnt do anything worth celebrating anyways.
@@AgentH53 Point to an actual false equivalence, like comparing genuine art to this AI poser crap, and you'll have a point.
@@AgentH53They knew which themes and motifs worked better in combination with specific actors, they spent hours looking for the perfect combination. This takes real skill only achievable someone with genuine talent in film making, anyone could find the same film by pure chance but it takes skill to make this process flawlessly repeatable in results.
@@AgentH53 A person also does not generate an image. The computer does. So his equivalency is correct in comparing the role of humans in both the process of swifting through a Netflix movie catalogue and prompting a computer to generate an image. In both cases, the system is doing the work, you're just telling it what to do.
You know what I, someone who cant draw, does when they want art of a character?
I pay someone else to draw it
Using this process I have become a master ship-builder. I walked through a marina, pointed at a yacht I thought looked pretty, wrote my signature on it, and boom bang boom.
Hearing Shad repeatedly talk about how skilled he is just sounds so insecure.
For real. This guy has the most fragile ego of all time. It’s painful to listen to.
I loke Shad, and i like AI art, but hes definitely got a complex here that he can finally beat his little brother at something he was always weak at.
@@justinwhite2725I could never look at my little brother that way
@@justinwhite2725 The funny part is that he still doesn't hold a candle to his brother. In fact, he's burnt that candle at the wrong end and made it useless.
@@andrevaughn6980 right? Both my sister and I are artists, but she is way better than I am. And she's 11 years younger lol. How can someone look at a younger sibling who is obviously talented and not be proud AF?
"Im a perfectionist" proceeds to leave in 3 suns a messed up thumb and a big head. Not to mention how the whole thing feels uncanny
maybe he wanted the 3 suns in his FANTASY WORLD? Mine has two moons and purple rain. Why not 3 suns?
Cope harder @@AzguardMike
Because not only is the head too big, eye line is wrong. With original AI art, the buildings gave it grounding, so you were looking up at Supergirl while she is looking down at you. Without the skyscraper you are both hovering in the sky but you are slightly lower than her.
The nails are also on the wrong side of the other fingers.
@@AzguardMike What is the orientation in space of those 3 stars and planet? Because when I think about it it is hard to do something like this
anyone who calls themselves an "ai artist" earns the privilege of being made fun of by the whole art community before being shown the door
How can someone come up with so much BS?
Literally in every step he is making an AI generate things and then saying "Look at my effort, Look at my Human Input, Look at my Understanding of things etc." While having none of that...
I don't remember any artists being so highly about himself which also includes that Austrian Artist
@@G.A.C_PreserveI like the austrian painter better too
Its like claiming you wrote Wikipedia after you found it with google prompts
Years of practice.
His main skill in life is to lie to himself...
@@Tasorius He is an Artist alright...
Con Artist that is..
omg I'm so sorry for Jazza, he looked so uncomfortable
like, he knew that he was right because he knows his stuff, but he can't say that without sounding arrogant. As an Artist who is on a *way* lower level than jazza and someone who's followed him for years, that was just painfull to watch
Right? Even before the clip was shown I thought to myself "Wait isn't he literally the brother of Jazza, an actual professional artist. Wonder what Jazza thinks about this" and then the clip came and it was so uncomfortable to watch
I watch both of them and... Man I can't help but lose respect for Shad after that. Its so painful to watch
What’s worse is that Jazza is the LITTLE brother. Like, I would never IN MY LIFE speak to my little bro that way. It goes against every law imaginable.
@@ImortalZeus13WTF, Jazza is the little brother? That only puts extra irony since Jazza being the bigger person.
Also damn, Jazza is a kind person but he could have had diabetes from sugarcoating this much. Though I respect his finesse, and I aspire to learn it.
@@neurofiedyamato8763 why would you still watch shad after he has shown himself to be not only a total hack, but an actually awfull person
(he has more then once been very open on his 2nd channel about some rather disgusting views he has)
The thing is that Shad's original art is infinitely more interesting and unique than the Halloween costume advertisements that he calls his AI art
I was surprised by how good his art was. It wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed the weapon and armor focus
Even when he puts their legs on backwards, at least he actually did that himself.
It gives me vibes of obscure animated cartoons that air right as you get home from school and get cancelled after 16 episodes. It's not great technically but the direction wasn't that bad tbh
I used to do work like Shad's in photoshop when I worked as an auction photographer. Digital manipulation to remove artifacts, (Without misrepresenting the quality of the auction item) was a key piece of marketing to boost sales by effectively advertising online... So you adjusted levels, cut out backgrounds, removed or added shadows... It is alot of work, especially when you have 2 weeks to do this to over 1000 items people pay for the privilege of... So in my experience I can't say Shad isn't doing work... But I hesitate to call it art unless it's at the bottom end of the art scale. It's an impressive handling of the technology, but the foundational construction of the image wasn't performed.
Give me break. If AI were not a thing nowadays, you'd look at his work and say it's crap (because in fact it is).
It’s not art. It’s images. Art requires human input.
I used to be hella into generative ai until I took a look at it and thought, hey… How are they getting this training data? And I started picking up actually drawing as a thing i like doing. I’m still not good, but i like doing it. I have also begun noticing the real errors
HELL YEAH!! Welcome to drawing brother!!! Enjoy your stay!!
PROUD OF YOU FRIEND. If you have socials you post them on I will be your personal biggest fan
What saddens me the most is that his (non-ai) art isnt even *that bad*.
Its very similar to most amateurs, or the backlog of a master. He *could* have been the great artist he sees himself as, if he just had the endurance to stick with it.
Or at worst, he could have been a mediocre artist with soul and passion. But I guess the life by the conveyor belt is simpler than the life in the kitchen.
His art reminds me of what Jazzas art looked like when he showed his progress from beginner to professional. You can tell both brothers had/ have a passion for art and were sharing it at some point to the point that they developed similar art styles. But while Jazza persevered, Shad seems to have gotten frustrated and semi gave up. It's probably the constant comparison with his brother. I know that feeling. My sister also is a great artist and I used to compare myself to her which made me feel jealous and inferior. But I grew out of it which Shad doesn't seem to have done. He wants to prove he's just as good
or truly at worst: given up on art and do something else. i'm no artist, and i doubt i ever will as i just don't have in interest in growing that skill presently. i can put a ttrpg battlemap together with assets i'm allowed to use, i'm working on a world map that'll have soul, but at least i don't delude myself into thinking i'm some great artist.
and still i think in a fair few ways i've developed more skill then shad. i use a program to put my maps together an assets someone else made, but i've learned how to make maps that look good and play fun. take away my program and i can use another, it'll just take time to get good with it's toolset, take away all my tools and i'll have to draw by hand and it won't look great at all, but it'll be mechanically fun still. and i'm just experienced with battlemaps and i piece of abandonware. at least my stuff is truly legal (looked it up before i posted any of it online)
The AI artists who want to "democratize art" just don't want to put in the actual work, they just want to reap the benefits. They want to be rockstars without spending 2+ hours a day practicing guitar, without dragging gear to and from venues, without learning how to write songs, and without having to physically put yourself out there and show the lifetime of dedication to your craft. If you(proverbial you) do not enjoy the process of creation, don't create, but don't also pretend that you're actually creating something just for the sole purpose of getting the social credit for it you imagine artists are getting. The art of creation matters to us, if it doesn't matter to you then don't pretend you actually understand it or what's valuable about it.
@@gwen9939 >The AI artists who want to "democratize art" just don't want to put in the actual work, they just want to reap the benefits.
And how is that bad? People who want running water in they house are just lazy, ppl that use calculators are just lazy, ppl that use dishwashers are lazy. This is progress making something that used to be hard much easier, and faster to make.
>If you(proverbial you) do not enjoy the process of creation, don't create, but don't also pretend that you're actually creating something just for the sole purpose of getting the social credit for it you imagine artists are getting.
You think art has no utility, and it is just to stroke your ego? Art is part of many other projects, its utility shouldn't be restricted just because you want to live in the past, all sort of professions case to exist or become much more niche due to progress.
@@KraszuPolis You are absolutely correct...
if one assumes standards and intention don't matter, I don't believe I need to explain to you the difference between menial tasks and the creative process, do I?
Its half funny, half sad to see Jazza die a little bit inside when he says Shad is a skilled artist.
Why is he even flattering it?
@@darkzeroprojects4245it's his brother. He's just trying to be nice
@@darkzeroprojects4245 Because the only way to shut Shad up is if you give him false praise.
Otherwise he will start an actual argument live...
@@stevenstokes6306
Brother or not, I wouldn't encourage this.
@@Tasorius
He'd never shut up regardless.
And if he gives him problems, just block em off.
Besides I doubt this would damage his life enough unless otherwise.
Problem with AI art is that, it isn't interesting. Mostly mediocre compositons, unoriginal themes or "hallucinations". Combinations things from movies, comics, TV series, games and so on. There is no deeper purpose. Mostly people don't have imagination and we will be living in a digital junkyard soon.
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Yeah! My first thought when he asked "Can you spot the problem?" was that her head was too big lmao
Granted, I'm years into learning and working with Blender, so while even I hesitate to consider myself an expert on anatomy, I'm probably not a ley-person anymore.
Also the fact that he's belaboring how he spent two and a half hours on this?? Artists can spend several weeks to make a rendered piece, with deliberation in every single line.
The thing that stands out to me is “I don’t like to draw, I like what I draw”, which feels like a coded way of saying “I’d rather get the attention of doing art than actually doing art”.
Eh, like you hear a lot of burn out from commission artists where they stop taking commissions because they don't want to draw but they are still proud of the art they put out. Still absolutely not what that guys saying or implying and you are totally right.
Tbh, out of context, I can understand that process of thought. You want to create fantastic images and spill your creativity out on the canvas, but the drawing process itself can be extremely frustrating. Especially when you're a beginner. I struggle with that a lot. BUUUUUUUUUUUT that doesn't mean I'm gonna take AI shortcuts. If a picture is made by an artificial intelligence then the best you can be is an artificial artist.
@kaksspl it can be but also rewarding if willing to take the dedication and timing...
The fact that people only want the fast results make me question if they even want more than slop they complain about sometimes
No, I completely agree with that. While I can draw to a decent standard, I really don't enjoy the process, so I just commission artists instead and myself focus on writing.
@aristedes9449
Least you're willing to.
Lot just now use it to not do that.
I can agree we artists can get annoying to work with or some tend to be high pricing which even I disliked doing when tried to do commms.
But given how some charge for things even stuff imo don't warrant the prices they push, I expect it.
And yet these ai users want to charge or patron their generated slop using data trained from work of others.
And yet one calls artists parasites??
This is prime Dunning-Kruger... FIY, any artist who hypes himself like this most likely isn't on a high level (and this is confirmed in this case when I look at his art).
High level artists often suffer from the opposite problem, impostor syndrome.
Let's not call AI users artists. They're far from it. Just call them failures or familial disappointments.
@@toozombie6275 Just like artists who use synth in music. Oh wait, they've been not only using synth but also AI in music for at least a decade now.
@@alienrenders Usually synths are just used as computer generated instruments. Analogous to drawing on an iPad rather than paper. But even including those generating arpeggios or randomized loops guided by inputs, they still require direct interface throughout the process, both in terms of notes/tempo and overall structure of a piece--especially considering it almost never consists of a single synth putting a single string of notes. The composition, however much (hand guided) automation the tools may have, is still being assembled and built from its individual parts by the artist.
Prompting is a request for an end product fulfilled by an outside source, and that's it. Prompting is analogous to, and in fact functionally indistinguishable from, a commission. Now the commission may be picky and detailed, and in this case it may be written in youtube-style tags rather than coherent sentences, but in the end the only real difference is you're feeding it into a photbashing algorithm rather than a fiverr account. You're putting in a custom order at a restaurant and calling yourself a chef. This is not elitism or gatekeeping or narrow-mindedness. It's the rejection of a desperate, obvious false equivalence. Its genuinely insane to me that this has to be explained to full grown adults.
It's so depressing that while the corporations bleeding our entire species dry is phasing out actual expression of actual humans for lorem ipsum slop cobbled together by glorified chat bots and photo filters from an anonymous pool of actual art, a bunch of delusional, bootlicking, no-internal-monologue-having, creatively and intellectually bankrupt tools will praise it as some populist victory equivalent to the invention of the printing press. They won't even let society grieve the literal death of popular/commercial art in peace.
I am not sure if it is just me as someone who has drawn for years I have come to the realization that I suck. I will probably never improve. I am actually impressed at how bad I am. I am sure there is a group of artists who are self-aware of how bad they are and know they won't improve much. To put it simply, we know we are not geniuses but we are smart enough to know how dumb we really are.
@@alienrendersLip syncing exposes have ruined careers.
Nice one AI bro.
The fact that Shad is brothers with Jazza just makes his liking to AI art much funnier.
Whenever I hate my art and think I'm bad at least I can remember I actually drew the art I do end up liking or not liking, and I wouldn't have it any other way. When I think AI assisted I think about using an AI image as reference to make your own art which I don't necessarily disagree with, especially with Jazza's brother I now wish I didn't know existed.
This weekend I fell down the rabbit hole of Shad and AI bros, Trying to sell me on AI art. Which has now inspired me to go out and buy a sketchbook, and learn to draw hands better. Cause that's what an actual Artist does.
@@BlargvsBlorgno
congratulations, fellow artist brother!!! best of luck on your journey. your hard work will pay off
@@BlargvsBlorg keep crying buddy. you'll never be an actual artist
@@min-fel Good for you for being a gatekeeper.
I may be a mediocre artist, but I don't just blindly trust AI to do the work for me. I don't just create the work with AI, I analyze the work, compare it with works created by human artists, keep track of the similarities and mistakes, practice shapes, anatomy, perspective and shading to the best of my ability.
Also, I have never monetized AI-generated art, and I never will. To me, AI art is merely a crutch and a tool for inspiration, but I'm aware that observing human art and learning by physically doing it is the only way to improve.
I was doing art by myself for 11 years, even before AI art became popular, and I intend to keep creating things with my own hands, rather than relying on some obscure,, half-baked machine that spews out "art". AI is just another tool in my arsenal, like the Smudge Tool or the Spot Healing Brush.
TL:DR: AI art may not help you to become a "actual" artist, but a passionate and curious artist can still use it to try and improve his skills, at least on some level.
@@BlargvsBlorg"more powerful" wtf are you talking about?
😂😂😂 stop embarrassing yourself
I do like how he tries to gaslight Jazza that he draws at a professional level when Jazza is an actual professional artist and has been for years. Also hilarious considering he is glossing over the mistakes AI makes.
As an amatuer who had reached roughly shad's level (with better anatomical knowledge) I can tell you absolutely that he has not. He could definitely find people to throw 20 dollars at him on deviantart for a commission now and then, but would not be hired as a professional artist.
@@justin_5631 That's probably what he means by people commissioning him. I've been drawing for a long time and even I wouldn't say I'm at a professional level. There's a huge jump between a real pro and a hobbyist. Had Shad kept on the path he would have gotten there one day just like anyone would with enough time and dedication instead he'd rather be lazy.
@@TheSeriousPain Well certainly not currently at least.
That was really awkward watching that interaction between him and his brother. You could tell how uncomfortable Jazza was because he’s too nice to tell Shad what a dickhead he’s being.
Watching Shad claim he is professional level with a strength in anatomy in particular when his drawings are ... decent at best with rather poor anatomy, its all just so cringe man, i've lost respect for the guy
“ I have ARTISTIC EYE” he can’t t even pronounce BROTHER correctly
I don't think I have ever seen anyone so self-conscious and desperate for the validation of their art.
It is... sad.
As someone with literal a literal fine arts degree in painting listening to Shad tell us that his work is "like painting with a brush" is so insulting. He spent two whole hours making his "art"??? Wow that's great shad my last painting took 4 months and I had to physically create the thing, I didn't get to use a computer program to create my image and it still turned out a hell of a lot better than whatever he made.
I don't mean to intrude, but is your glorious work anywhere for common eyes to see? 😊
@kiarakal8669 Probably with the person who paid for it. Regardless, your condescension belies a dark jelousy. Perhaps it's best you take a nap, now.
@@moonshonemeadow I'm pretty sure they were just asking if they could see it, not insulting them
@@moonshonemeadow "your condescension belies a dark jelousy. Perhaps it's best you take a nap, now."
That's some great irony.
This dude saying "My artistry is actually at a professional level" while the most amateurish shit is popping up on the screen is the funniest shit I've seen all year.
2005 DeviantArt core
It's funny how Shad's brother is going to such pains trying not to offend Shad, while Shad doesn't care about his brother at all, claiming he's as good as Jazza, who has years of experience as a professional artist.
@@ThejollyFrenchmanJazza should just give him a proper roast and wake him up to reality. Shad didn't get roasted enough for his trash drawings.
@@falco5148 Jazza can't--he's far too empathetic.
@@falco5148their relationship as brothers likely informs a lot of how Jazza interacts with him. Imagine attending a family gathering after you roast the shit out of your brother publicly on the internet.
It makes everything generic, like my profile picture 3 years ago people be stop and think “someone made that wtf” now anything is just “oh I can tell a ai to do that easy”
Art is representation of feeling.
Ai does not have feelings.
Therefore, there is no such thing as AI art.
I don't like this argument, cuz it could easily be turned towards artists whose work you don't like. I'd rather go with "it has to be made by humans". The results from ai engines are not made by humans.
@@Daiwie44art is about human expression after all, makes sense
I love how he thinks of himself as an anatomy genius and yet cant see how fucking big her head is compared to the rest of her body, and the funniest part is that this type of mistake is something that is common amongst COMPLETE BEGINNERS who normally learn to draw the face before learning proportions and anatomy correctly. I've done those same mistakes multiple times in the past but by actually learning how to draw and studying the subject I eventually learned how to at least make the proportions dont look off putting
I think everyone and his mum could tell that the head was over sized.
Yeah... I paused on some of his other drawings, because he specifically mentions anatomy, not proportions perse, and lo and behold, you can spot many anatomycal errors, the most obvious for me is the sartorious not crossing the joint, which is silly as it is the most fun aspect of the muscle... So.. where was that knowledge?
"bad anatomy" wouldn't be a problem if he didn't try to go for realism...
@@iAmNothingness i think It would. I bet that any Disney artist know their anatomy to the t
Because I was an absolute rascal of a child and never listened to anyone's advice, I didn't start actually applying the stydy of anatomy to my art until quite late, and by that time I already almost had it just by trial and error. What's weird is until you know what you're looking for you don't really see it. I drew a lot of stuff in my childhood years and very early teens that I swear were absolutely awesome when I made them, now I pull them out (I have nearly every piece I've ever made stored in two big boxes) and they look like absolute dogwater. I mean I definitely had talent, but the proportions are so off, it's weird how now I can intuitively tell when something's off, but back then it was a lot different. In short, especially if you're inefficient about it like me (trial and error instead of study) this stuff takes a fair bit of work to get right, and someone who is genuinely experienced will be able to do it with no effort at all.
Knowing my own past doggedness when it comes to ''my process'' I can't help but wonder if Shad suffers from the same sort of inability to just sit down and learn. I think he really wishes he could just intuitively make perfect art, which is why he loves AI so much. He's unwilling to learn, and that makes AI a perfect tool for him as someone with *some* experience and clearly some talent but not much of either. I'm glad I had to learn to draw because when I was still struggling with things there were no tools that you could use to really pretty up and mask things. Hell when I moved to digital it was with an essentially useless tablet and no money for any kind of good software, or knowledge of actually good software that would have been free. I started drawing with a mouse, and I still do that actually, it was a painful process to go from being near professional level on paper, to absolutely sucking at digital art, but I'm so glad I went through the trouble of learning, because learning is fun, and actually I'd argue it's a big part of what makes art fun, when you *actually learn* things, you actually get to brag about what you've learned, something AI ''artists'' will never get to experience.
Shad talking about how he "really feels like he's putting brush to canvas" while just,, directing vaguely to the ai reminds me of how industry executives must feel when they boss the art team around. "Look at this team that I am leading. They surely could not have done this without me, really, I'm the TRUE artist!" when actually they're just parasites who squash creativity.
Like the studio supervisors who gets invited to corridor crew?
Yeah pretty much, the Ai and shad wouldn't've made the image in by their own... i'm glad you went to that conclusion... its almost as if a brush without being led by a painter would'nt do anything.... imagine that! All that you have the problem is shad not spending 2 years learning a skill and instead leveraging and multiplying his skillset with Ai.
@@agent1798 My guy if you don't want to learn to draw I've got good news for you: you don't need to be GOOD at drawing to make good content. Like, look at Go Nagai's art style in Devilman, tell me that's great drawings and I'll laugh in your face, and yet he still made a compelling thing.
Or Cyborg 009.
Or if you want to get into other media: I Wanna Be The Guy, the first Scream movie, Calvin and Hobbes. None of those are exactly acclaimed for their graphics/art/costumes/choreography, they're good because they appeal to the people they're going for. No one needs to be a Don Bluth here.
But what Shadiversity is doing is throwing a thousand monkeys at a typewriter and claiming he's as much of a writer as Shakespeare.
That analogy is only accurate from the interaction you have with current AI art programs but the AI itself won't create anything by itself.
Great analogy
I had a similar experience to this and it really creeped me out. I had a hard deadline at work to get a chunk of code running in a language I had no familiarity with. I decided my best bet under the time constraint was to hammer away at Chat-GPT and hope that it would eventually give me something I could work with. Eventually it did, and by the end of the day I found myself thinking "I can't believe I actually figured that out in time!". And then I had to catch myself. What I did was just guess and check, but I got the same sense of accomplishment once I was done, which scared the crap out of me.
His actual art without the AI isn't bad. It has a very mid-2000s webcomic kinda look to it that some people really like and is also where a lot of really great artist started. That is to say, why's he gotta use AI?
I almost burst out laughing when he said he's a perfectionist- sir you are polishing that turd to perfection 😂
He’s basically the guy that puts detail like sprinkles on a shit foundation of a drawing.
“Perfection” just means “Beautiful art station trending pretty image nice art”
He’s so artistically illiterate that his idea of perfect art is just whatever over-rendered high res stuff that gets posted to Art Station on a daily basis. It’s the character art equivalent of taking photographs of sunsets and puppies.
What breaks my heart with these AI illustrations are always the faces.
The examples you show at the beginning demonstrates it perfectly: all these hand-painted female character have unique faces. They might look a bit weird, but they look like unique people.
The AI art ALWAYS ends up gravitating towards the ONE „female comic face“. The most generic „pretty young woman“ face. And the AI-„artists“ don‘t even realize it.
Because they don‘t do „art“. They didn‘t paint the face in a unique way the first time because they wanted to have a unique face, it just „happened“, and then the AI „art“ erases that without the „artist“ even realizing what has gotten lost in the process.
@@BlargvsBlorgthis is just… wrong. A skilled artist is completely unmatched by (current) ai. Unfortunately ai is incredibly cheap so it’s still a threat to creatives
@@BlargvsBlorg you aren’t a skilled artist
@@BlargvsBlorg no, yet you go on and on about what a skilled artist would do, which is annoying as hell because you don’t have the authority to say so.
It generates towards a generic face because most people don't know how to describe facial features properly. Not really much different than photoshop; you can be lazy as shit and make things that are easily identifiable hack jobs, or you can learn and refine how to use the advanced features.
I'll expand on that; if you get mugged and have to describe to a sketch artist what the mugger looked like and you just say 'a man', that artist is simply going to revert to the most comfortable stereotype they know. But if you can properly describe things like jowls or nose types or states of emotion, you'll get much closer to the truth.
Whether you like AI or not, that's how it works and I'm fucken sick of watching people talk about it like it's just a one-button waifu generator. Clearly none of these idiots are aware of what controlnet is, or a lora, or how to describe lens types or film grain to get a specific image quality. All they see is the cynical commercial applications and hornyposters.
@@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control Because that's what's being used for, I couldn't care less about all this shit as long as this thing exists and is a threat to true artist's livelihoods.
Jazz was trying so hard not to offend him, poor guy
My god, they are actually brothers? Man, if my sibling came to me, an actual professional artist, and called themself an artist by using AI, I would cut all content
I might commit a crime 😂
"After 2 and a half hours" Meanwhile Jazza: "It's been 2 days, and I'm pretty proud of how the work is going so far"
Most of AI artists I met are SOOOOO arrogant. They can't shut up about how much time they dedicated to learning how to use prompts or how they spent 12 hours generating a single image. Well, my artist friend dedicated her ENTIRE LIFE to learning to draw realistic humans. AI works might look cute at the first sight, but anybody with at least basic knowledge of anatomy, perspective and lighting can spot lots of issues in most of them.
I really like AI artists who don't use copyrighted works to feed their AI and are also open about how little time it took them to generate an image
AI bros seriously have the worst case of dunning kruger syndrom i've ever witnessed
Comments like "bruh you dont know how ai works i did a course at uni so i know what im talking about trust me ai is the SHEEEEEIT" are quite common among their kin
the most important part for me is there's no soul in it ,when people see the pic they generated ,it'll be the original stuff/style used to feed the AI ,it'll be the original artist's name ,not the prompter's
So u decided to act in same way here i guess? XD And somehow be better then them? XD
@DiamondLS agreed, in my case I am just using A.I. art as a placeholder in a card game I am working on. I have full intentions to replace them with an actual artist once I get the funds to hire one or two.
I also have no idea how to self publish or even write rules but I am learning. Also no job so funds are tight.
Hi, great video!
Please don't call them prompt "engineers".
Sincerely,
An actual engineer
U are really a engineer !? Which area do you specialise in ?
@@zeeyeds
Engineering
@@ICTON123 dude i meant the branch of engineering
well said
@@zeeyedsMechanical. Currently working in reliability, manufacturing (pulp products)
“How can you say it was ai when it was done in photoshopped “
You had a robot do one thing then you fixed it up
This shit is the worst
And it took away my friends art (he used to draw . I miss his drawings)
honestly i think the point of ai "artists" not being able to have their skills if one tool is taken away from them is a very valid point
For example if my ability to make digital art is taken away, i can still do traditional art, if that is taken away i do still have a sense of color theory i can use for other things such as decoration or for other things like making logos and the like
My artistic skill is diverse and touches on several topics, while for ai "artists" have the problem of their skills only being able to be applicable to at most photography
which even then as i have myself experienced i am much better at taking photos due to my experience in creating a good drawing
What's really sad is that his own art isn't even that bad. He has a very distinct style in his own works that makes me think of 90's/early 2000's comics and cartoons. The man is so incredibly self conscious about his own skills when he really doesn't need to be, especially for someone who doesn't enjoy art for the sake of it.
I was thinking the same thing! He could definitely work with that style, it gives me the vibes of fantasy mangas and games from the 90s and early 2000s. If he put in the work and got a grasp on the fundamentals, his work could be far more interesting than the AI schlock he's churning out
Look at those muscles. Those are some nice muscles.
Apparently he has an artist brother he's jealous of. Lol
He wrote a fantasy novel (maybe more than one by this point) and he is knowledgeable about swords and things, so it's not like he's lazy. But I do think he shouldn't be taking credit for work that the AI does for him. He can just say, "I choose to spend my limited time becoming a better writer, rather than focusing on art".
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I was a big fan of shad for a while, like more than 5 years, but "Training an AI to put my wife's face on fetishistic AI art so its not that sinful" isn't in the list of moves I thought he'd go with. It was so weird to see him prompt/coherce jazza into telling him he has the skills of a pro artist, and I just don't know what to think of it all.
I was too, for a long ass time too. Some comments about "woke stuff" put me off sometimes, but I moved past it. After seeing him do a collab with a borderline alt right history youtuber about egyptian history (far from his area of research btw), I dipped. Seeing this, I am very thankful I did.
Oh btw, I was researching for a little bit about Shad and I just saw that the youtuber Shad collabed I was talking about was fucking SARGON OF AKKAD, a dude who was banned from YT by his ultra right wing """hot takes""".
You're not alone there. Used to love his videos. He'd make the occasional social statement that I didn't really align with but I ignored it because I wanted to be reasonable and not condemn a creator I otherwise liked just because we had differing political views. But the more he talked the more close-minded he started sounding, and now he's shilling unethical tools that are harmful to real artists all while putting himself on a pedestal and lashing out at anyone who disagrees.
Also he wouldn't stop complaining about his "dying channel" and it got annoying
@@16minutesinspace You can't purposefully limit the amount of people who can enjoy your channel by pushing forth divisive topics like politics and AI use, then complain about your subscriber base getting lowered. It's like putting a filter on your channel to only allow a certain type of person to enjoy your content. The more polarizing you are, the less people who were there before that polarization will remain. If he can't see that, it's his problem, not everyone else's. It's time he realizes that.
@@16minutesinspace also, whenever he would reference anything outside the west he'd be like: "RUSSHA... AND CHINER." And smuggly stare at the camera.
The AI almost isnt the point for me, its the way his ego is tied to this. He is insisting that he HAS to be treated as a good artist and if people disagree they are EVIL LIARS. When his brother says good artists cant work he just assumes its about skill, but we all know it isnt, they are all, without exception better than him.
The thing about AI art is that theres no way to distinguish between someone who spent 5 mins on an ai tools vs someone who spent months perfecting a picture. With normal art, you can very easily tell whether someone have just started or have been drawing for years just by looking at their artworks.
That guy would put a frozen pizza in the oven and think he is an italian legend.
See? I didn't /just/ put a frozen walmart pizza in the oven.. I took the time to put some cheap mozarella and rubbery prosciutto on top of the original ingredients and hope no one notices. I am such a good chef.
Sadly microwaving a Hot Pocket takes more skill than his AI stuff
I love how fast they abandon the idea that this is "democratizing art" and making it "more accessible" as soon as they need to defend their pride and make it seem far more difficult so they can get the same accolades as the artist's they're stealing from.
As someone who’s heard Shad’s political discussions I think he would take great offense to calling AI art the “Socialist redistribution of talent and work to the untalented and lazy”
So I say we should do that.
Hopefully, the AI gets better.
@ImortalZeus13
I'm in favor of communism as long as I get to be one of the rich-elite.
@@lucascoval828it will get better. In fact, technology improves every year. The only people who are complaining about AI are the ones coping for the inevitable. It's going to happen so you might as well learn the skill now and improve as technology improves so you don't find yourself unemployed or working in a restaurant in 5 years
@@lucascoval828you won't. There's no social hierarchy or government in a communist society
finding out this guy is jazza's BROTHER was a jumpscare 😭how can you be so closely related to someone so creative and talented and value art so little?
There definitely is a level of skill involved in AI art, but there is a level of skill involved in literally anything. Just because you can get better at something doesn't mean it's a worthwhile "skill".
Shad is like a god damn 7 year old who inists driving a bike with training wheels on is a real skil and he's just as good as the big boys now.