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- We've had quite a few messages about where our old Mitsubishi Lancer GSR is, well it has been in lockdown for a few months! Let us know what direction you think we should take with this old 4G63 AWD from the nineties.
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We've had quite a few messages about where our old Mitsubishi Lancer GSR is, well it has been in lockdown for a few months! Let us know what direction you think we should take with this old 4G63 AWD from the nineties.
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Barra and a powerglide 👌
LS 4WD out of holden adventurer 👌 haha
@@MrR31power Those transfer cases are not even strong enough for the V6
Barra for the back wheels (mounted in passenger area, straight hookup to the diff off the zf) and fwd cadillac LS for the front wheels. Bolt in, no doubt. Sure i saw in on youtube or the intwerwebs or my mates cousins shed or something....lol
Love to see a 400+hp street car👍 I grew up with early model evos I’d love to own a evo 2 or 3! Look forward to the next video!
Love how Luke says " we're " going to have to do this to it and then that to it, Never seen him work on a car yet!! So I guess he means Jordy and Broomy. ; )
Truer words have never been spoken - Geordie.
@@fullboost Sorry my bad Geordie not Jordy.
Over in the US they have brand new rebuilt / strengthened DSM eclipse gear boxes to handle 600 plus whp which are identical to Evo 3 drivetrain. Also the GSR cc gearboxes have slightly longer gear ratios then the 3 and it will finish the 1/4mile in 4th gear easy, where as with the Evo 3 you will most likely need to change into 5th right before the line depending on what mph you’re making and it’ll slow down you ET/MPH of course. The gsr box is also a little stronger most people say. Another option is to send your gearbox away to a place who strengthens standard gsr / Evo 3 gear boxes. A guy in Sydney does it for 1600 dollars full strengthened gears. (Should be a few shops in Melbourne who do it) I’ve got a gsr cc with a 2.3 stroker running 350wheel kws for 3 years now and still haven’t broken anything. (I’m careful in 4th gear as it’s the weakest. In saying that, I had a 2L in it for 10 plus years trapping 115mph 11sec passes all day and never broke a thing. A standard Evo 3 / gsr box with a 2L will be fine for the street / strip. I never did any track days in it though so I’m not sure how it would hold up on a circuit. I would usually hit it above 4k in the higher gears to keep the low end torque from blowing the higher gears. I’d just strengthen the stock box if it were me. Dog boxes/sequential are just horrible on the road. I’d never get one. A Strengthened or even a standard rebuilt gsr / Evo 3 box will be fine if you drive is wisely and can easily handle enough power to run 11s all day and destroy anything on the road ;) Good luck guys 👍
the best gearbox in these is actually a brid between evo 1-3 and cc gsr you put the talleevo 1-3 /gear then et the aus spec gsr 3rd 4th and evo 5th ( ithink maybe you use evo 3rd as well) then you put the gsr 3.505 in.either way it's a hybrid box that results in much lower hiway rpm in 5th
Yep I’ve got a cc gsr with a forged 4g93 well over 300awkw haven’t had a drama yet. Not the most torquey engine but still.
The biggest issue with having stuff injection moulded is the cost of the dies. Something that size would be astronomically expensive, think around 20-30k in Canadian pesos. Just my 2 cents
Get it 3d printed ?
G25-550 you will never regret it. Will probably have the same spool as the stock turbo but way more mid range and bonus top end.
FYI on why it's hard to re-manufacture parts in plastic. It's cost. Put in perspective. a Simple bottle for a consumer product is sold at say 25-30 cents etc to the customer. Who fills it with product and ships it and end up at coles or wollies for $5
Yet the Dies for the product and other items will cost anywhere from $5K to $25K to on some mega constant made hi volume items 100K . but then they will make every 12 seconds 10 bottle or 20 bottles or items. 24/7. so that 30cents adds up.
From memory the Injection Stretch Blowmould Coke bottles are done at under 1cent cost. At one stage maybe have succeeded to 0.1 cent due to imported preform plastic from China.
Just the moulds for a injection machine made for your car part, or other and all car parts . It is fine when they are new and they make say 10K and sell on cars. Or they make 100K cars and said product. but low volume? It's why Aston Martin DB7 uses Mazda 323 Astina BG taillights.
It's all cost. Plastics are a lot cheaper than before but still one change without people realizing it is, simpleton designs.
Look at 80's tail lights has shapes and contours and varying surfaces. but 90's they were smooth and less complicated. That is cost cutting. Like plastic lenses over the glass.
The cheapest way to recreate it would be in a low cost wax or foam mould. Then use the mould to create a FRP version. Even possible use the mould to create a Polyurethane version if you have -plug to form it's other side. that would be closer to the more flexible LDPE or PP version
3D printers might be the way but until they are more common in sizes large enough to make large size parts.- They are out there, just not affordable yet.
You can bolt a gsr box into a vr4 not the other way around. Evo 3 gearbox runs double synchro 1st and 2nd gear. Stock box should be good for 400hp. Remove air flow meter run map sensor, temp sensor and wideband oxygen sensor through maf sensor inputs
Have owned 2 gsr's and a vr4
Car already has a wideband and map sensor. I've always retained the stock.intake.
@@fullboost if you want a larger throttle body the one from a kr verada/equivalent v6 magna is larger and shares all the same sensors. You just port out the stock inlet manifold to match. For the selector cable sloppyness i higly recomend new cables
ECU with torque limiting is how you don't blow up gearboxes. Remove the big spike in torque just as the turbo spools, that's what all the OEMs do. That and mechanical parts such as rubber donut drivetrain couplers, clutch delay valves and so forth to limit shock loads.
Yeah but where's the fun in limiting what the old girl can do :)
@@fullboost With the torque limiting it is more driveable too, because it carries more constant torque from spool to redline. If you start with an engine that delivers 400Nm @ 3k and 300Nm @ 6k, then remove torque limiting so you get 500Nm @ 3k and still 300Nm @ 6k, you're more likely to just break traction (or the gearbox) at 3k and then bang limiter. An engine that varies wildly in torque vs rpm will have you jumping on and off the throttle wildly under low traction conditions. An engine with constant torque you just back off the throttle until you regain traction, then hold that amount of throttle through to redline.
you should have got the 5pin (4wire bosch sensor) that does temp and pressure. They are exactly the same price from EFIHARDWARE. 2 birds one stone, one less connector to deal with.
With that lip, you could get it 3D scaned and 3D printed which surely would be cheaper for a low volume part. I have not done this before, but would like to with a few plastic parts.
Yeah it needs to be able to flex as it's bound to nudge some gutters.
Put a 2 speed power glide in it, it’ll bolt straight up! 😝🤪
As far as that lip is concerned a company in West footscray called entegro , ( also supplied the rubber and metal foot pedals and fuel nozzles for holden and ford,when they were around ) they can do it and all those companies which make rubber or plastic mud flaps from the trucking industry can do it, it will cost a mint though,but then the more you make the more you can sell, its that simple supply and demand, if the demand is there, then go for it. :)
Thanks for this, I have a super rare OEM front lip to suit a 240z that I want to reproduce. Just don't know anyone that can do it.
Pretty much. there is significant 'up-front' cost to produce moulds for injection moulding. But once done, the cost for each copy is penny's.
Same is true for sheet metal stamps. What you really want is to get hold of the original masters. but not much luck in that. But that's how much of the Australian classic holden / ford reproduction panels are made. Rare-Spares bought the masters and now stamps them out.
I reckon the evo2 front is the best out of the three
same
Built auto from an RVR Sports Gear for drag racing and Daily driver.
Rotational molding is a lot cheaper than injection molding
Also for coil on plug I recommend spark tech they do direct plug and play and i haven't had any issue , though I'm only at 420awhp
I’ve had my Evo 1 for close to 20 years. Did heaps of track says. The parts are strong, but it comes down to how hard you drive it. Just be a bit careful with launches and hard gear changes. 4th gear will be fine. My suggestion would be to refresh the existing box.
The evo 1-3 gearboxes are pretty stout imo, 500hp is not a problem.
what's up with the gsr, now watch all the upgrades you did very nice.
Currently getting some things fabricated , should see a new video on it soon.
@@fullboost very nice cause i'm getting some good pointers from your vids, liking the content. Only thing my 6bolt 4g63 is a little more upgraded.
Its cool but its no bugeye
Best to speak to Chris at meek automotive In Sydney , they have done every mod possible only do evos and 4gs
And have been doing it for 20 years plus , best mitsubishi service in Aus, helped me make my 1995 rvr to over 400 hp on a stock 5 speed
They did all the work on the car for the previous owner.
I've also ordered a bunch of spares off them over the years.
Yeah I've moved from Sydney to Brisbane and I still order parts from them best service , delivery of parts is quicker than any other brands manly us dsm sights stm, real st etc...but yeah if u want big power in a standard gearbox housing the only way is a rebuilt / modified rvr auto .........or like u said in the vid drop a all fortune on ppg
mate, double the clutch up and down to change gear in a dog box, had one in my WRX - only option back in pre 6 speed days. had it down pat, must have a solid centre clutch too which doesnt help easy smooth driving. I got the superlight flywheel which was not necessary and big $$. by the time car is making 400hP + consider a dual plate $$$ clutch.
love the evo updates, cant wait to import an evo 3 to the states..surprised you guys dont hit up evolution racing spares..they have so much evo stuff
EVO III body parts are a lot more common than II
The evo /gsr box will hold 300kw up to 350 and the diff and cv will do 800hp no problem
Many have said 240kw+ and 4th wont last long doing circuit laps.
Fullboost they just need a Fresh up and a twin plate helps a lot with the gears jump on Facebook in Brisbane vr4 gsr box’s pop up a lot all going auto
I feel your pain Geordo! I have a NA daily runabout Starlet and I want to put new synchros through it. Can’t find an overhaul kit anywhere.
Parts are available, just not sure I want dog gears in a street car. Not many options in between.
Good to see your making progress! By the way, did you get bitten by the mosquito @12:25 in this video floating around your battery box ? :)
I don't know how you spotted that, I certainly didn't.
For the lip try Mr Bodykits mrbodykits.com.au/ They're plastic injection moulded, made in QLD, he's got a good rep in the E30 community for kits that fit better than factory, I'm pretty sure that he 3D scans original parts and then makes a new tweaked, upgraded version from that. He may be able to work with you to get some made.
I think Ben Claase in Canberra May be the man for front lip. RS Liberty forum have details. He does for that Subaru model (90-93) maybe $300. I’ve had one done.👍
Does he have a business name?
Geordo, speak to Mike Dale at Mike Dale Automotive, or Jim from Evolution Racing Spares. Both will be able to help you out with the t/fer and gearbox info
Put a 1.8 Turbo VAG Engine in it, its a a pretty strong Engine and it is used in all sorts of cars and they have a similar drivetrain as the 4G63. They where used also transverse in the smaller quattro and 4motion cars with 4WD and there is a verry big aftermarket for them aswell as a big variety of gears and LSD for the gearboxes. They can also handle up to 300kw with stock internals and a stock gearbox especially the 02M gearboxes or you can use the diesel ones they are verry long. But idk if they are as common in australia then in europe though.
Had one from a Renault Laguna for mine with some trimming, imported from France. My supplier ran out so not sure what to do now.
I'm sure you've heard of ShepTrans. He's done VR4 stuff, so I think he'll probably do yours aswel
Yes, very well known. Boostin Performance is also huge over there.
Hey bro looking on some info, I have the base model 1995 lancer gl and am wondering if you knew what size speakers fit in the back? It's got cut outs for some and I removed the seats, wondering if the gsr came with some stock or they didn't bother since it was more performance based lol cheers man hoping you get to see this
Not sure to be honest, mine came with the old school 6x9s. The MP3 deck is ancient, it sounds shit, the car is a bit noisy for worrying how the stereo is :)
@@fullboost Chur bro thanks, yeah nine is pretty quite hahaha I'd upload a photo but mine has no speakers by the rear window lol just some cut outs qhen I remove the interior, but I think I had 6x9s that don't fit, so might look at some 5" 1/4 speakers, appreciate the reply though dude, have a good one!
There's a seller on eBay (kostasdc) who specialises in moulding and reproducing car products. I've had him make me a few RX7 FC parts all came out great with decent price. Only issues is that he's based in Greece, however, the shipping from there is a lot less than the US. May be worth hitting him up.
I looked up his store name, coudln't find anything, do you have a link?
@@fullboost ebay.com.au/usr/kostasdc
Have you checked to see if PPG do a set to your application?
Yes, there are multiple brands who make dog gears. From some of the cars I've seen many aren't overlay street friendly though and it's an expensive option.
Not sure about the Mitsubishi, but for my s15 they do a helicoil gear set and even a heli dog style both with synchros. But you’re right about the price. Thanks for the reply and keep up the good work, it’s a great channel.
The thing might be too big to be injection molded at a quantity close to breaking even. Maybe thermoforming due to it's simple shape?
Yeah, sounds like no way it's worth it, am just wondering if there is a way to make some sort of copy.
Older 4g63 are more plentiful here in North America thanks to the DSMs
Yeah, bugger all sold here. We got screwed as once Mitsubishi stopped selling the 4G93 GSRs herein 95, we got some limited numbers in from E6s, didn't get any 1, 2, or 3s. WRXs had no competition.
Not sure your budget and I am no Lancer guru but maybe the latest model DCT gearbox if they fit... And there is a standalone controllers to be used in swaps like this.
The EVO 1/2/3 motors mount backwards (like honda B and D-series) That's what makes them a bastard as all modern stuff doesn't fit
Go automatic on your gearbox that’s what I’m doing here in the US with my GVR4. The 5 speed gear box is just garbage I have rebuilt it three times.
There was a bloke on 4gtuner back in the day named Aldo (aka Rockabilly), who used to build strong RVR autos for members. He's in Sydney, I'm sure someone on there know where he is and if he's still doing them.
Aldo is still around building Evo GTA autos
I think they might have done a video on him as well.
Hollinger only. Not that noisey & how many kms a year on the street?
go a half cut engine and box. be fun car!
How long does Luke (I hope i got the name right) plan on keeping the car? If you are gonna spend bulk on a gear box & then more on making it faster you may as well get the Evo 6 & upwards conversion cos everything will be better then... Fuckn cars aye.
Put a 1.8 Turbo VAG in it they have also kind of symilar drivetrain in it as the transverse quattto engines and the engines are cheap and reliable aswell as the gearboxes. They can handle up to 300kw easily with stock internals (if not too many km on them) and there is a big variaty of LSDs and gears to put in them but i dont know if they are as common down under as they are in europe but i think so?
Greetings from germany
Haha did Dave stitch you up with that gearbox.....
When’s the F truck getting finished and driven?
Check out jafro on UA-cam he might be able to answer your ?s regarding gearbox & parts
pretty sure that box is from an rvr sport gear
Be different with the car. Leave it stock. Appreciate what it was in it’s day and look after it. It will be worth good money one day.
Get a newer stronger car and built/thrash that break it and make it stronger whatever but leave the one you have alone.
Ps I’ve never owned an Unmodified car in my life 😁
It's not a genuine evo so it wont ever be worth all that much. If it was real, I would probably never track it.
I know what you mean though, maybe I should just track my Renault lol
Ls conversion be done with it 🤣😉.
Mitsubushi Galant GearBox
perhaps good 3D printing will do it
Ls swap it with a t56 and make it rwd
Can limmy bash it and smash gears for days
Done
Injection molding is stupid expensive. Not the cost of making the parts, but making the (usually steel) mold in the first place. Cheap if you want to make 20,000 of them, not cheap for 10. Getting someone to make them out of Fibreglass or Carbon Fibre will be heaps cheaper, but they will shatter when they meet a kerb.
Thanks, doesn't surprise me the mould would cost so much.
Mitsubishi only made 2500 of those cars, so that's not many lips.
Can get the lip from Malaysia in fibreglass, agree, it will be a disaster the first time it touches anything.
@@fullboost Its probably cheaper to get them 3D printed in ABS plastic than anything else. As long as you find a company that can print within the correct dimensions. Around here they charge based on the volume of plastic used in the print, I reckon a newly printed one would go for a couple hundred US dollars. I have a E3 lip I would like to have remade some day in ABS. I think the future will be better for producing one-offs.
Sequential with flippers on the wheel :D ua-cam.com/video/AlqaXDJQ77A/v-deo.html but this for an Evo :D
Powerglidetheworld
how many times you fellas been in a car together and just kicked the other one out
I’d do the late model engine swap, less hassle and more parts available. Sell the old setup to recoup
Late model 4gs do not fit the chassis.
Yes, it would be quite an expensive process but would be a killer result.
Just put a power glide in and make it rwd
i did some research on that gearbox ...
its outta yo muma.
and i think shes knows a bit about plastic moulding products too just quietly.
RypienGT ooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO
if someone got some evo 2 lips made . i would buy atleast 2!!!
Yep, I know a few who have E2s with E3 kits, purely because they cant find the, anymore.
Put me down for a couple as well!
How much power are you planning on making? I have an Evo 2 box with the end float tolerances tightened up and handles 400hp atw no problem.
Do you do track days with it? Cheers.
I doubt I'd ever go past 300kw/400hp atw. Would like to keep a broad powerband. I've read many say 230-250kw and track days and goodbye 4th gear.
I haven't with this current setup as it's apart getting some work done. Done 1/4 mile stuff. But also had vr4 with similar power for track days without an issue.
3D print the lip or make it out of aluminum
Are you guys twins?
It's out of an AWD Libero
Nope AWD Liberos have W5M33's
Contact Mick from Micks motorsport in Sydney
Talks for 12 mins and shows the car for 30 seconds.
There plenty of other vids with the car making noise 👍
RS200 diff it
"5cm"? Cm is for dress making, mm mate👍
Seriously had to think about what a cm was for a minute. Mm all day every day
I use mm in dressmaking too but I get your point.
Speak to sheptrans
Go auto with ratchet shifter. Pm me
*ChInA* lol