The Downfall of Mobile Gaming
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- The unfortunate state of Mobile Gaming.
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Do you prefer console gaming? Or Mobile Gaming?
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Console, though I mainly use mobile because it is easier to access for me.
First
I prefer console gaming
Console
Pc
Mobile games then: Clash of Clans
Mobile games now: *Twerk Race 3D*
I am Not a Clash of Clans Fan, But I Will Play that Anyday Compared to what is Available Today 😭
Iam a competitive twerk race player
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At least a comment from someone who ACTUALLY watched the video. Thanks!
@@miyarumeeha114 HOLLUP 😳
In the era of Gameloft we used to have standalone single player campaigns with great great graphics. Be it novas or popular racing games to ubisoft titles like assassins creed to avater they were simply mind-blowing. 2012-14 was golden. Now Gameloft doesn't make any of those single player games with 0 online crap. And not sure if the contract that expired or something, the whole old library of games just disappeared into nothing
I hear you there. I remember loving modern combat 4 and very much looking forward to modern combat 5. When 5 came along it had all these energy systems and online nonsense and there was no way to simply enjoy the single player campaign. I checked recently and modern combat 4 is no longer on the play store. I miss the 2011 to 2014 glory days too.
Yeah man those are the days
Most probably they can't handle to support those game to be able to be played on newer android version.
@@metalfeva7320 And modern combat 5 energy system was added in a patch, such a downgrade...
Gameloft was the king of mobile in Java era. What about smartphone era? Well, maybe only asphalt series that was actually good.
The only problem for me on games right now is that it is not the same as before, i feel like some developers just gets greedy and they don't focus on the gameplay of the players, especially right now the games are full and full of ads to the point that you can't even play anymore.
Weird games keeps on getting released, some has potential but its sometimes literally just unplayable.
Lucky we have Feral Interactive and I hope most developers realize these kind of people who can bring AAA games to mobile with great service can make Mobile Gaming great again
I miss old mobile gaming so much, just the whole vibe it gave off.
The Java games were so good, and the first Android games came out. Gameloft and Miniclip had some excellent games.
Bro just wants likes
WHY WOULD YOU COMMENT BEFORE EVEN WATCHING THE VIDEO FFS AAAA
@@nocturn9x you need to watch it too little boy
@@ebukaekwu9929 literally every comment exists to get attention.
Cellphone java games were total top tier for me. It was the time of handheld gameboys, so mobile games devs tried to keep up with the level of entertainment. These werent much about graphics but purely about playability. And the use of HW buttons helped a lot. Java mobiles like Sony Ericsson k700i were so popular at my region that every kid had to had some. Titles like prince of persia, splinter cell, gravity defied, magnetic joe, playman series, worms, medal of honor, burnout, asphalt were extremely well put together.
❤ i thought i was the only one who remembered those times.
Ahh, did you hit right in the nostalgia with that that comment - 2005-2010, the golden age of mobile gaming :) I undug my old K770i only to find almost all the games you've mentioned still installed on it. At the time, Gameloft made a mobile Java version of almost every popular game - if they didnt struck a deal with a studio to make a mobile port of their games (like they did with Ubisoft), they made a mobile counterpart of the entire franchise, and since there was no online functionality to speak of, they actually had to put in effort to for people to buy them. Some examples off the top of my head:
-Need for Speed -> Asphalt
-GTA -> Gangstar
-FIFA -> Real Football
-Tekken/Mortal Kombat -> Medieval Combat
-The Sims -> Miami/New York Nights
-Rock Band/Guitar Hero -> Guitar Rock Tour
-Super Monkey Ball -> Tropical Madness
Games good enough to make 90's kids not regret not having a GameBoy.
God of war, return to castle Wolfenstein, doom, alien shooter and soooo many others❤
Splinter Cell series, Gangstar series, Nova
has anyone played diamond rush? that game was a nintendo ds level game
Legends Remember Nova 3 game 😢😢 back when it release for 512mb ram phones with epic graphics.. but now we have 12gb, 8gb ram phones with shit quality games
I remember Nova u're a man dude ❤
@@chopperlal1138Fr
That's so true that game looked reallyy impressive at that time and still looks great even today compared to the new releases
Fun fact: the reason Pixel Gun 3D’s music sounds like it does is because it was altered to take up as little storage as possible.
I've recently start watching Mrwhosetheboss and I really like the videos. Its refreshing to see a logical well though view combined with abit fun.
On top of mobile games, I also want to see more old console games being ported to the mobile platform. I can't stress how much of a good work Feral Interactive is doing on porting games such as Alien Isolation and Grid Autosport to mobile.
THIS. Also Wreckfest a game I could barely run on pc 6 years ago, now running on phones and looking almost better than the ps4 port.
That's how GTA mobile do.
Unless devs get good DRM like Gameloft they will not be going to port their old console games to mobile at all.
@@AxelWolstenholme lmao you must be blind if you think it looks even close to the ps4 version. It looks far far worse as it should be
Emulation is king
Showing N.O.V.A 3 at the start and during the video was great decision. I remember playing this in 2016. My mind was blown clean off marvelling at this masterpiece. It's(present tense) still so good that i remember finishing its story 6+times, and recommend it to friends still to this day. This game is my benchmark to judge all shooting games, and sadly 95+% off games fail(im looking at you freefire).
Don't forget that 90% of all modern mobile "games" require internet connections to play, Gangstar Vegas was offline and is still my favorite.
@@headwreak1768 I really hoped and predicted that Gameloft would become the prime mobile game developer for Shooters by releaseing N.O.V.A 4 ,but they never did( don't mention N.O.V.A legacy). For racing Asfalt 9, they did release this but nobody cares about mobile racing games much these days( hate the TouchDrive™ aka baby mode). For RTS and RPG's their pay2win system and ads basically demolished the ratings.
Gameloft was KING at its prime. No one could dare to touch Gameloft at that time. But the king died because most mobile gamers love casual shit unlike PC/Console gamers. Most people would never know there was an FPS CoD game for mobile in around 2014(excluding the pirates/explorers). If you know the name then it you know what I am talking about.
That was my all time favorite. The story the graphics was amazing. Sad it got worse in the later parts.
N.O.V.A legacy 🥹🥹🥹
I think one of the biggest problems with modern mobile games, is that many of them don't feel like they're made for a phone-or at least doesn't look like it. One of my favorite mobile games are a collection of puzzle games by Barte Bonte named colors: like Red, or Blue. And man, these games are MADE for mobile, and you really grow to appreciate that
The mobile gamers of 10 years ago are now grown adults who work and can afford gaming consoles and PCs.
"can afford" haha, yeah, maybe in opposite land.
I don't :(
Or maybe they grew up
Old school mobile gaming really was something else. Glad there are still some developers like Hoyoverse pushing the boundaries on what mobile games can be.
I avoid Genshin Impact by a tenfold.
Remember it’s still a greedy gacha game with lootboxes.
Plus, I personally found it very boring. I personally don’t understand why’d you do a lot of boring grinding for hundreds of hours, but, your tastes, your time.
@@commentarysheep grinding, yeah, ever heard f2p? If you not want every character, that's fine
@@piplupempoleon4225 Genshin Impact sucks
@@GurpreetSingh-ej4ie Agree
i have heard hoyoverse. they make genshin impact. you call it nice. i call it a huge time waste
I recently got my 6-year-old cousin addicted to Plants vs Zombies on her mom's iPhone, and we can all agree that it's a better experience than any mobile game released in the past few years
yeah
accurate, I still love that game
i used to play Gangstar Vegas, it was the pinnacle of mobile gaming to me.
thank you
No why u let ur cousin get addicted to plant vs zombie...U should let ur cousin get addicted with learning 15 languages a year,learning how to be a doctor,a lawyer,an engineer,an inventor,politicans and etc
3:37 that casual throw was so good, ngl.
You may notice the cycle a game goes through is relevant. Marvel Snap for example came out this year, was highlighted at the game awards just last week, and yet is already at the stage of spending their good will by silently removing features that benefit players and pulling content to sell it back to you. Console games do this a little, but it usually isn't in the very first year like Marvel Snap and other mobile games
sus
So true. I just quit playing because it too much.
he’s done an entire extremely well written video about exactly that. but yeah, could have referenced it for sure.
He already made a video ro about that
If a mobile is free, that is the main way they earn money/revenue. Sure they may have purchases available, but if they’re small games with few developers, then it will most likely rely on ads.
Like @@name36154 said, he always covered that topic in a separate video! Including how sooo many mobile games are just another online casino in disguise😐
We might be at a point where just improving the graphics isn't something most gamers (especially mobile) care much about anymore. The best rated game of the year, Zelda, just dropped and it's running only old hardware and it's not gonna be winning any graphical awards.
In my opinion, graphic rewards don't matter as long as the game is good and fun to play, and it's accessible.
it's running on old hardware because Nintendo doesn't feel the need to make a new console
@@SupremeCalamitas1 in case, mobile game (the big company) not caring about low end device, the good example is pubg mobile, they give low end device a low graphic and fps selection, but it's doesn't work, they just adding more and more skin and effect and make the game laggy
I think it might not win any technical awards, but the art direction is nice. You could release a game with the same quality as that on PS5 and people would still buy it.
yeah, but a lot of newer mobile games look like absolute crap. At least Zelda is appealing art wise…
I remember back in 2012-2013 we had titles like Dead Space, Mass Effect, Deus Ex, all were high quality games but I also didn't have high end smartphone at the time being. Now I have the S23 ultra and I'm unable to download the game from app store to experience it properly.
Yess dead space mobile and mass effect infiltrator
❤ how nova is playing in the background 😅!! Absolute legend of a game.
2D games like Chess and Scrabble are a better mobile experience. The peak of mobile 3D is when it augments a 2D interface like Pokémon Go. Nobody wants to play a fully 3D game without dual-analog or keyboard+mouse.
Ayy Chocolate rain!!
this is so true lol
I wouldn't say "nobody", considering the millions of users who have CODM or PUBG or RR3 or Vegas Gangster etc on their phones
Agree. Even Pokémon Go is still the gold standard for AR mobile games. Definitely something fun.
Tell that to the hundreds of millions of players who play PUBG, Cod Mobile and Fortnite.
As a mobile game developer for over 7 years the mobile platform is different because the OS updates are annual and you must support at least the oldest device available every year in accord to the platform to gain the widest audience as much as possible. Finding the midline performance is a must because people do not update phones often and having the latest and greatest tech means the older device will not be able to play the game due to OS/Hardware/Software limitations.
What company you work in?
Why not use a performance stress test (for like 30 seconds) to guage what the app is dealing with in terms of hardware. I know some apps auto detect what graphic settings based on the hardware
This is the answer I was looking for, thank you
The simple explanation of "there are thousands of devices" didnt make sense to me bc that's arguably even more true with PC gaming
But ofc, all PC gaming is done in one (well, 2 now thx to Valve but you dont develop for it) single OS...
@@RobinNashVideos Yeah mobile software and hardware more less come and go due to the nature of its rapid evolution year over year, even the development tools needs to get updated annually in order to submit your programs to the storefront otherwise using the 'outdated' tools and software will just void your submissions altogether., which is to say, too fast for a game development workflow which requires a substantial amount of time just to even finish anything polished.
Not to gatekeep. But mobile gaming has never been true gaming to me. It's always been mobile. The closest any game has come is pubg and Genshin.
Thanks for talking about this topic
Not to mention that the best games on Android tend to be not that graphically inclined, my favorite recently has been mages survival which is surprisingly fun for just moving around and selecting the moves you want.
It's sad because when I was a kid in high school in 2013 I used to try imagine what games on a phone would look like 5 or 10 years on but they're the same 😂
Nooo!!!, they are not the same!!!, what mobile are you playing on?, 3310?, not even the "ngage".
@@christophersokanyile5809 You're right, they're not the same. They've gotten worse.
@@christophersokanyile5809 hahah..."funny"
@@christophersokanyile5809 if you speak in the 2000's it is better but from 2010's even early 2010's they not grew a lot. I can't say the mobile game that got popular from early 2010's is bad because there's less grow to nowadays game. (both android and IOS already existed in early 2010s even though they're not on the throne because blackberry and windows phone is there with their life almost ended)
@@christophersokanyile5809 no mate I was on a lg Optimus 2x lol
The first games I've ever played on mobile were Clash of clans, Minecraft, random zombie shooter games and Minecraft knockoff games. I did play some other classics later on such as Subway Surfers, Jetpack joyride, temple run, fruit ninja, etc. Those were the good times. That and playing videogames with a friend.
Subway surfer and coin dozer, used to be so crazy about the game.
Love playing Mobile Legends Bang Bang atm, pretty addictive lol
don't forget Angry Birds and Bad Piggies
Don’t forget cartoon wars and tap pet hotel
Only in NA/EU devs lmaooo
Asian dev games are good, maybe even far better than those titans in the west.
Look at Hoyoverse with Genshin Impact, Honkai StarRail, Honkai impact 3rd, Tears of Themis.
Hypergryph's Arknights and Azur lane
Nexon's Blue archives
Tencent's (Partners of GARENA) LOL wildrift, PUBG mobile
TIMI's (Also partners of GARENA) CODM, AOV, FREE FIRE,
Moonton's MLBB and MLBB adventure
Netease's LifeAfter, Identity V, Cyberhunter and Badlands
And many others games and asian game companies i failed to mention
ALL THOSE BULLCRAP SHIT GAMES YOU'VE GUYS BEEN SEEING ARE EITHER MADE BY THE WEST OR EU.
DON'T DRAG THE MOBILE GAME INDUSTRY CUZ OF YOUR WESTERN SHITTY MOBILE GAME DEVS 😂😂😂
HELL THEY EVEN MAKE MORE MONEY THAN THE LIKES OF PAID WESTERN GAMES Y'ALL PURCHASING. LEAST OURS CAN BE FREE TO PLAY UNLIKE PAYING FOR GAME CONTENT N STILL BE UNSATISFIED 😂😂😂
When you tossed that Rog behind you my eyes 👀 pop out of my head and I jumped in my mind trying to catch it. Lol😅
Mihoyo as a company standalone achieved most gamers have dreamt of ever since they started gaming, cross platform gaming experience at its finest. They are gonna benefit out of all their games as long as they keep bringing new content updates on regular basis. Prop ups to mihoyo
Degen games though
Yea but these games are trash bins and full of microtransactions
Lol, Mihoyo produces microtransaction games. You call that quality? Sure, it looks good and impressive, but as long as it's a f2p game, it'll never reach the status many memorable games do.
@@AdamSinsuat I have talked about cross platforming which means I can play the game almost all gaming platforms like pc, Xbox, Ps... It is a gacha game so its whole substructure is built upon micro transactions. What do you expect? They recruit all those people and build a game out of charity? 😂😂 You can be f2p but the game is obviously p2w and very much supported by some whales... Plus there is no pvp content at all and never gonna be one in the future (a developer said it once in a QA.) I mean whales just please themselves they don't have no harm to anyone. So it is a win win for all parties
@MrFelocan for me, f2p games are a trap 99% of the time. All the things you've spent in? They'll eventually go away once the devs deem the game unprofitable. They could always make the game paid if they wanted to. But nobody in the mobile market is gonna do it because they'd rather exploit people than give them something they can own. That's a scummy tactic
4:35 "You can take your time developing"... and Rockstar took it seriously.
😂😂
Let them cook, looking at current AAA games so buggy and uncooked form the oven it's better to delay their project.
@@basantatamang2249 facts
On a world level this may seem true because you're looking at a low percentage of actual gamers vs mobile users. But when you look at specific markets like Korea or china (or most of Asia?) Where there's a higher concentration of hardcore gamers, there's no downfall at all. The quality they produce there is insane: cross platform, the latest unreal, etc. But those games are region specific so the world wouldn't know much about it. I think you need to explore this. It's a very interesting topic.
But Asians also eat Bats which caused the Covid-19 pandemic so what is the point of your argument? :)
Exactly, i’m fully support this comment. Simply take a look at asia region the mobile gaming industry is really thriving. Gacha game like gensin impact, arknights, TOF, etc. These type of game can generate hundred thousand even millions USD with pretty decent game quality.
Not to mention other game of different genre like Mobile legend, AOV, or MOBA game in general. While some of them not thriving like they used to ,but they are popular enough to create an esport out of it with hundreds thousands dollar prize for the winning team.
Some of the game I mention are game that figure out phone limitation and still giving their best to accommodate the user like using 2D asset instead of 3D asset or adding setting so user with low end phone can still play their game, while pushing the setting for higher end phone user.
So while the gaming industry seems like filled with crappy game with not so good graphics, etc. some game still thrive while pushing the limitations of the higher end device, while still accommodate higher end device.
The problem is most of the curent game in market is judge by top download. To do that you need to make the game catchy, clickbait, and advertise them to multiple platform like YT. The result is top gaming section filled with junk games where most of their money goes into advertisements rather than to development proses. These game only think about short term profit, since the over saturation of mobile gaming industry making long term profit making seem not viable. While game with reaaaalllyy good quality with long term development in mind goes unnoticed in top chart get sweep away by crappy game.
But they are full of microtransactions with ads with pisspoor gameplay to cash out their own citizens.Nobody wants those 😂
Mobile game is doomed to die,
those people played mobile game because they couldn't afford to buy a PS5, Xbox, Switch or PC.
or a very casual game for your Grandma like candy crush
let's be real, everyone at this point already get Carpal Tunnel and Bad Vision from playing mobile game.
that was a hefty price to pay for no benefit at all.
it's not the best platform to play, it's only good for Gambling based game.
it's a cash grab platform that offer little to no value, unlike the Real Game that made with love in Console / PC.
the moment people get a decent amount of paycheck in real life, they will instantly switch into Console & PC gaming.
that's why basically nobody in the US played a mobile game, because they already had a superior one
once you have a console & pc, you won't feel any need to touch mobile games anymore.
Unless you're trapped with friends who force you to play gacha game a lot.
@@jensenraylight8011 simply wrong
The music îs a Nice touch. Bravo!
Good catch 😊
3:37 that catch was perfect 😂🔥
Caught me off guard 🤣
As an ex-Vainglory player, I am reminded that why the game failed (despite it's early success) was because only the highest-end devices can run the game smoothly, which creates a barrier for mid range and lower range mobile users from trying out their game, causing it to eventually phase out. It is also very storage intensive, and each match can take more than 30 mins (including matchmaking) to complete.
Vainglory 😢
Thats why Mobile Legends by MoonToon is very succesfull here in S.E.A. Countries
Almost any phone can run it from low to mid to high end and even clone phones can run it
Main reasons why Vainglory and SEMC as a company failed were very bad financial decisions and the early efforts to put the game on Steam even tho it wasn’t ready at all (predominantly a consequence of the financial decisions).
I played Vainglory almost since it’s release and loved it so much, it’s a real shame how it ended 💔 to this day I play a few games from time to time to remind me of the good old days:)
@Ansg It sad cause I start playing vainglory in the end of it life cycle & it the only Moba game I like...
thats partly false. Yes, Vainglory runs better on high end phones, but its still playable on all mid end phones and some low ends, as it is very well optimized for such amazing graphics. The reason why it failed is that SEMC made a lot of poor financial decisions like having eSports and making skins too f2p friendly
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I remember having a lower end phone that could run Genshin Impact until the game eventually updated. While my friends could talk about Genshin or stuff that happened there I was left out so there really is a gap when high end games are made that can only be run by certain devices
Thats ur reason to quit gaming completely and start learning new skills every year
Means he escape the matrix
Remember fortnight? Back in 2018 it was only supported on iOS and flagship Samsung devices. You have no idea how left out I was when everyone was literally crazy about it.
@@adityanarayansreejith9362 Is this now a pro or a contra?
@@adityanarayansreejith9362 Runs perfectly fine on 6 year old flagships! 60FPS is no issue at all. Just use low-medium settings.
the real problem with mobile games is not the graphics but the fact that 99% of mobile "games" are pay to win scams rather than real games.
Good catch there 👍
As far as most games go, you can never go wrong with emulations. Just make sure you have the space for this addiction
Emulators do not classify as mobile games tho, even if they can be.
@@spicesmuggler2452 regardless, playing emulated console games is a better experience in almost all cases, unless a real game already has a good mobile port that you don't have to emulate, like Stardew Valley or Vampire Survivors for example.
Also while touch controls might suck for majority of genres, turn-based games, or games where execution speed is not needed at all, work perfectly fine.
Playing an unofficial port of Hollow Knight and it looks far better than anything on the play store even pumped up to ultra graphics
@@Shajirr_ Yeah and even the when I play JRPGs with emulators on my phone, I still use a controller.
@@Shajirr_I would rather play PS2 games in a tv screen than on a mobile phone way better experience
Two videos in less than 24 hours is insane!! Great job Arun!
Feast 🎉
Bro didn't finish the video
yes good
It's not so great It's not a big deal also these youtubers have a team who do everything and these guys have to appear and say those things he have above 14 million subscribers so do you think he is making all these videos by himself
@@ebukaekwu9929 you didn't even play the video, you just want to see comments
I am a handheld console gamer i owned a switch lite and a steam deck, But Damn i miss certain casual mobile games like shadow fight 2, zombie catchers, robbery bob, kingdom rush ETC. Bring back memories. So nostalgic. But Haven't touched mobile again since i have my console units.
I remember playing this one game it was called Samurai vs. Zombies it was a really cool game, you played as a samurai fending off zombies from destroying a magical gate. Sucks it got taken down for no reason.
I think the big problem is that most developers don't focus on keeping players. They focus on getting new players in the door cuz anyone can download for free, so as long as people leave some money when they walk out the door it's a win
Mobile gamers
Pay 10$ for a good game once: are you stupid!?
Also mobile gamers: spend 100s of $ every year for crap they play for 2 days
love the vids keep it up champ!😁
One of the best video you have done. I subscribed only recently but I have watched a lot of your videos before. This is very "into the point" if I may say.
You could use the same reason of phones not improving at the same rate for computers though. The highest end graphics cards will see a huge jump in performance (3090-4090) but the mid-range cards will only see a very small performance gain (3060-4060) and yet PC games still improve constantly
True, but compare a 1060 to 4060 and it's a huge jump, I have a 2070 and I doubt I will upgrade soon as I can run any game I want. If I were to upgrade it would be in the 6000 series at least.
@@Zulucker2525same,I have a 2070 here
but 4050 is a big jump to 3050, and 4060 still more efficient in power consumption than 3060
@@KimKim-mt2bb don't defend nvidia, the 4060ti should have been a 4050
Hey Everyone ❤
A problem I have is that free mobile games are rarely not plagued with aggressive ads or micro transactions anymore (especially any retro titles being released by sega for free on iPhone)
Play Genshin impact
@@junaidahmad9283 seee I played honkai impact and while I loved the game as a kid iv noticed that looking at it now I’m not the biggest fan of games like that especially any that have a gacha like or yknow microtransactions. Sadly genishen impact isn’t my thing.
@@junaidahmad9283 genshin is actually very greedy.
@@limpfall13 genshin actually doesn't have any good end game content.
End all the story you got almost nothing to do.
Aether Gaze or Star rail
And also something I have noticed is most people is never gonna be mobile gamer forever, me for example until I got my first console I used to be an avid mobile gamer but as soon as I got an xbox one I haven't touched my phone ever since, same with my console to as soon as I built my pc my xbox became a multimedia device.
Game pass with multi category monthly payments for classified game can be in challenge for a HUGE boost for mobile gaming store
Maybe Google can do it by itself or get partners for it
but they only talking about productivity and how system look so features gensuly
The performance gap is not the issue, in PC games we have graphic settings to match the specs of the PC (resolution, frame rate, details, shadows etc). A set of options that many mobile games today have kept forgetting. Thus, also causing performance/heating issues on low end or old phones, effecting the general mobile usage experience. Its time mobile developers understand reality and high time Google/Apple sets some standards so that developers bring the best out of the Android Gaming experience while maintaining compatibility ❤
Explain that to a kid, a grandma or a parent. Let's see if they even know what an fps is or how it makes a difference when playing.
Hardcore gamers tend to dislike mobile especially microtransactions and would choose over a platform(pc, consoles) that is intended for gaming. Casual gamers don't care for fps or ray tracing. As a game developer why settle in a small set of hardcore audience when there are tons of casual players out there in the mobile market.
Touch screens suck. For me, before we even get to how poor quality the games are or even the performance issues, touch inputs aren't suitable for gaming.
Even games like temple run that are built around touch inputs are so imprecise. I stopped playing temple run and subway surfers because even though I enjoyed the games, firstly, they grew stale pretty quickly and secondly, there's a low skill ceiling beyond which you can't improve that is imposed on you by the touch screen
@@austinedeclan10 fruit ninja is a great game designed for touch, on screen controls however suck (ex. the ones in emulators,2d games)
I am a proud PC Supremacist. Always have been, always will be.
It's good to see that somebody atlast covered the problem of mobile gaming market
Don't agree completely, because he compared performance with Consols and PC's also have these extreme specs variations so, "Graphics Setting" comes to picture, think of it as me with snapdragon 845 will run the same game on 720P low settings vs someone with 8Gen2 will run the same game in 1080p High settings and ray tracing on. (And every future processor will just run the game better) giving that game a typical lifecycle of 6 years (enough for story mode games).
2- when PS 2 was there, PSP also did great in the market despite its limited 3D capabilities against Powerful PS 2.
3- Before this call of duty online, they made a call of duty story mode game, with great graphics and story, I played it on a 100$ smartphone.
4. It's not possible to make PC or Console ports to Android for the demanding titles like Forza Horizon. But a standalone smartphone series of the game is still possible, Like we saw in PSP for god of war and Nintendo games. And many less demanding PC titles are Leo's fortune, and The walking dead series (GAME OF THE YEAR winning title) was ported well on Android and again I played it on a 100$ smartphone.
Arun purposely put off honkai star rail, and genshin
He literally never talked about any gacha games which ironically the best quality mobile games
@@piplupempoleon4225cause they are minority
@@unknownx.69True but they gotta deserve to Shine, Since they are free and You don't actually need to spend money there, People say it's a waste of time playing those games but let's be honest here Isn't playing games a waste of time in the first place?
yeah, especially back then when it was a game trying to get your note 7 to not burn down your house
I really dig all the catching of stuff in this video!
I remember playing pubg mobile for 4 hours straight with my friends a few years back now all the games have gone worse filled with ads and bugs
True I can relate mate
I still play pubg mobile about 6 hours a day, the only game I play
@@Emperor-nl4xv ngl pubg graphics are absolutely dogshit comparing to other br games like codm
@@Emperor-nl4xv the lobbies at season start make me rage tbh so i play midseason
@@microlach6632 skill issue
This is why mihoyos big success and earnings from Honkai impact, to genshin, up to star rail are so unbelievable considering that most are playing their game as F2P. Their games are cross platform from mobile to pc and play station
Honkai: Star Rail has better quality than some of the latest AAA games. Its so dumb thinking about the current situation.
I actually want Mihoyo to make a premium full priced game mainly for PC and consoles and just sell it on mobile on the side. They've already got the resources AND the reputation, they could definitely go AAA with at least one title. I just wanna see what they can do without the restrictions of a gacha system.
@@McCaroni_Sup i dont remember when i found abou it but mhy want to make fps game idk its freemium or not,i hope its not
@@eregriou That's interesting. Mhy seems to want to try all sorts of new genres now, an FPS game made in their style would definitely be interesting. It would likely be a hero shooter given the emphasis their games have on their characters, and I'm not a big fan of hero shooters that aren't Apex. But hey, maybe I'll like it.
@@McCaroni_Sup free to buy with microtransactions is just too good to pass on for AAA titles. hoyo won't do that.
I think the answer is quite simple, consoles and PC have very stable tested SDK or drivers(for PC) update delivery system, we always have latest drivers for PC, so game devs can push the graphics and gameplay, without worrying too much about performance, since nvidia/amd/sony/microsoft will help them..
you would do best to compare mobile to pc as both platforms have similar cost and fragmentation issues. you will however quickly find that, in order to compete on pc your game needs to look good even if you are an indie studio. the issue is mostly monetisation playstore recommendations and expectation.
You should consider about rhythm games: they're extremely underrated and actually is one of the hardest games to run perfectly on since all of a phone's flaw can be revealed while playing a good rhythm game
They're also often the most consistent genre in terms of monitization. Unless it's Beatstar, because that game royally sucks.
(piano tiles doesn't count either)
I mean, I've Asus Rog and yet the frame frops significantly when there's 100 of tiles to tap. (I play proseka btw)
Had a tab s7+ when it was the latest samsung tablet. Used to play deemo, bandori and cytus. In every single one of them, when playing harder charts, there would be times where it would not register a tap or a few taps, making fcing something 100% RNG. You're better of getting an Ipad if you plan on mainly playing rythm games, want a tablet, and have the budget.
Omg yes, ive tried nearly all popular ones in my region and Phirgros and Paradigm are some cool ones, my personal fave is Cytus 2 though
Just felt likesharing as i rarely find someone to talk about rhythm games with TvT
@@astha_yadav you play musedash?
I remember when I was a young teen in the early 2010s that mobile games were getting better and better and then around 2013 to 2014 they just stopped making new games. Ever since I completely lost interest in mobile gaming as a whole and when I browse the App Store from time to time I still find the very same games that I played as a 13 year old over 10 years ago.
I played Temple Run 2 and Subway Surfers in 2012 and people somehow still aren't tired of them
i had the absolute same experience
That’s one thing I never thought of until watching the video was the power they the console can consume pushing the extreme graphics
That’s what I love about your videos is going from all angles but don’t forget the streaming services that don’t need super hardware
Mind you since I’ve got a iPhone 15 pro max and a game sir 8 controller I rarely touch my Xbox it’s COD mobile and resident evil 4 so much more convenient
Resident Evil 4 a popular game was ported to Iphone 15 Pro Max and it still laggs a bit during fight scenes . But the fact that the game was ported to the phone it gives us hope that in 6-7-8 years we will run some more realistic games and maybe developers would port their older games to the newer and more powerful phones
Have not watched but I guarantee its going to be a banger , you are one of the few people I have confidence to deliver good videos.
Bro just wants likes
@@ebukaekwu9929 agree
@@ebukaekwu9929 lol and a heart
He's definitely had a miss in this video when talking about optimisation, devs suffer from the same issue when coding for phones as when they do for PC's because of the same argument, too many variables.
Also he's missed really badly in the samsung moonshots video, that one was cringe to watch.
@@ebukaekwu9929 at least he actually got a heart
My main issue is mobile adds. I try to play a nice small game and then get ads shoved down my throat making me leave the app.
Exactly, when we sit down to play a game, it is usually in a situation, where we want to relax a bit, not to be bothered by anything, let alone ads.
the only games i’ve played that don’t have intrusive ads have extremely predatory monetization practices (gacha/lootboxes, timegating, etc)
but these days it doesn’t really matter because more and more games are starting to have intrusive ads and microtransactions all over the place on top of that.
it sure is nice to live in the 21st century where everyone and everything is out there to squeeze out as much money from you as possible
mobile used to cost 1-10$ for a full game… nowadays because of some people’s spending habits it cost 200$ just to unlock one anime jpeg
its hard to imagine the downfall of gaming mobile, maybe to a spesific region it is, but in other region like Asia or SEA the majority gaming was clearly from mobile gaming, the community and the developer still pushing through what they built
more like western thing
@@vargas5054 yeah entire western countries are rich af, so they can afford all types of gaming devices at once
It's downfall for western gamers but uprising for asian gamers due to economic differences.
just like how arun already pointed on Galaxy A14 Video.
Gaming phones are a waste of money. I will pick the Xbox series S over the gaming phone.
espcially rhythm games, mobile rhythm games are more better and better every year
I really miss Infinity Blade, it used to be my most played game and an all-time favorite. I don't get why they had to delete it from the store
Omg I miss that game as well
if I'm not mistaken, chair, the developer sold their game and publishing right to some bigger corporation. then, shortly after the acquisition they removed the game from appstore. probably because the new developer don't have any idea how to continue the lore.
they could make the game a paid game instead of free and people would still buy it (like the room 1,2,3). but the developer are incompetent and want to make sure people forget infinity blade exist.
Oh my god same. I cried seeing it gone. However the game pretty much died and lost all of its fanbase in terms of playing when Epic Games had the lawsuit against Apple and Samsung thanks to the bypass of their 30% transaction fee on Fortnite. That made Apple and Google play store cut ties to Epic Games and all their games. Since Infinity Blades has always been an ios exclusive game, it is now impossible to download the game without jumping through so many hoops that basically dissolves 90% of the players that are even interested in playing it anymore, as if it was an android game, it would be much easier to find an apk of the game to download.
I remember the good devil may cry iphone game, infinity blade, and street fighter 4. Fieldrunners, PvZ, the halo-like game, dead space. Many good games. It's sad that there are no good games now.
i know a few game dev. They said the first discount of the in app purchase is the most important. After that they dont even care if the players are leaving. They would make the game feels easy to play to build confident and to make you think that you are a great player and then the difficulty would spike OR the game become a chore to play. They would introduced an in app purchase to make it easier and would give you an illusion of discount with limited purchased time. Imagine if 10000 players pay 10 dollar on a cheap made game. lol
2010 Games were made for fun
2023 Games are made for funds
True, most of mobile games today is just cash grab with alot of ads
0:36 that hurt
In early 2010s I was absolutely blown away with Real Racing 2 and 3, a full console-like track racing experience on mobile where 99% of other racing games is just 2d drag races, it got street cars, race cars, damage, repair, upgrades and even livery editor, it's like a Gran Turismo/ Forza mobile! And now 10 years later if I want to play track racing game like RR3, I would play... RR3. Not because it's a masterpiece of a game, or better than it's competitor but rather there's just... nothing else. 10 years have passed and there seems to be 0 progress for this genre in the mobile gaming space. A lot of games on similar genre just opt for pvp only drifts with no bots, no (or horrendously made) campaign/career
Even RR3 seems so be stuck in time. That livery editor that I praised a while ago? Haven't changed a single bit ever since it's introduction, in fact it seems to got worse as I now got gray border on every single vinyls
I think the biggest problem with mobile gaming space is the fact that it is _too_ accessible. I have no clue how to explain this properly cuz my english is horrible, but a big chunk of mobile gamers are just children who just gobble everything up without any critical thinking (and not just the children who does this), even the absolute half baked mobile game can rake up profits, just need to be flashy and put insignificant but a LOT of rewards to trigger those sweet endorphins from their playerbase, make them think they were being rewarded. So why try when you can just do the bare minimum and get rich in the mobile space? Spend nearly nothing, get millions in return, repeat
Your English is fine😉
I agree. I don’t understand what people play on gaming phones these days. I don’t even understand why people are buying gaming phones or why companies make them. For which games??
Genshin, Honkai games, PUBG, CODM, Black Desert mobile, Snowbreak, GFL2, PGR, Persona 5X, and all the upcoming AAA budget games like Zenless Zone and Wuthering Waves. There are plenty of these high quality mobile games that are already available and even getting ported to consoles and PC, ya'll are just clueless and out of touch with the market is all.
7:01 I got a heart attack there 😂
@@OllieHayes36 Who said it was scary it was actually the the starting drums of Never Gonna Give You Up 💀
The main problem I've had with mobile gaming is the constant need to be connected to the Internet to function. I hate having to look at "now connecting to server" loading screens when all I want to do is change a setting or look at a stat.
God forbid your phone switches networks too slowly when your "loading" another menu and you get the dreaded "server not connected/available" prompt and get banished to the title screen.
that's some game marketing there
*no internet connection = no ads*
Only in NA/EU devs lmaooo
Asian dev games are good, maybe even far better than those titans in the west.
Look at Hoyoverse with Genshin Impact, Honkai StarRail, Honkai impact 3rd, Tears of Themis.
Hypergryph's Arknights and Azur lane
Nexon's Blue archives
Tencent's (Partners of GARENA) LOL wildrift, PUBG mobile
TIMI's (Also partners of GARENA) CODM, AOV, FREE FIRE,
Moonton's MLBB and MLBB adventure
Netease's LifeAfter, Identity V, Cyberhunter and Badlands
And many others games and asian game companies i failed to mention
ALL THOSE BULLCRAP SHIT GAMES YOU'VE GUYS BEEN SEEING ARE EITHER MADE BY THE WEST OR EU.
DON'T DRAG THE MOBILE GAME INDUSTRY CUZ OF YOUR WESTERN SHITTY MOBILE GAME DEVS 😂😂😂
HELL THEY EVEN MAKE MORE MONEY THAN THE LIKES OF PAID WESTERN GAMES Y'ALL PURCHASING. LEAST OURS CAN BE FREE TO PLAY UNLIKE PAYING FOR GAME CONTENT N STILL BE UNSATISFIED 😂😂😂
Oh damn, that's why I literally felt they didn't get any better since I had my Samsung Galaxy S3. It all makes sense now. Great video!
Thank you soo much
I think Genshin and Honkai star rail is an exception to most of these rules. But pretty much all of these points stand for a majority of the games on the App Store.
Genshin is a kind of game that can't be enjoyed without a monitor.
Bruh it can barely run on my phone
Most people can't play Genshin comfortably though lol. But I can see Honkai Star Rail has noticably better optimisation.
@@hatsumi_rou_ you have a trash phone then
@@Nabhoneel enjoying it on my phone and playing it anywhere can you bring your monitor with you ?
i think some mobile games now certainly do look better than before, but i feel like a big part of it is that developers have started treating phones as their own device type, instead of trying to just turn them into consoles, which in my opinion is a better decision.
i'd say there are certainly plenty of high quality mobile games still as well, though for every well made one from devs like supercell, mihoyo, etc. there's a hundreds of crappy ones along the lines of the voodoo games.
Yes 100%. The barrier to entry is low (pointed out in the video). It's straight up just a byproduct of scaling the industry. Lots of swings, few wins. Normal in any competitive industry.
respect 3:36@@joncheww
@@jonchewwnot really in a competitive industry wise
GRID autosport is a better racing comparison smh
This kid just said genshit impact is good lmaooo
it's simple just add settings and a piece of code to install things from the development server.
a person with a more powerful device will open the settings, some settings, and what is not installed in the base will be installed from the developer's server.
I negate the "power" point of argument with my 120watts hypercharging... Redmi note 12 pro plus... Probably never switching to another phone for that one reason, games very well too
I think it would be really interesting to see a video on the downfall of browser games - I myself have a Chromebook (Not by choice) so it is very obvious to me how whenever I try to find an online game they are 10 times worse than they used to be (Partly due to the murder of flash support)
have you tried frvr games?
try torn city.. its text based, but a deep mmorpg.
Some of the browser games are available in mobile and PC, either by porting or cross-play.
im not sure, but i feel you can play games on a chromebook (depending on its hardware and how old it is)..i dont have much experience with chrome os, but recently i installed intellij, a coding software on a chromebook for a friend, n it worked..that thing was new so it had a built in linux virtual machine in it.. so the linux versions of the less demanding pc games should work too right?, linux versions of console emulators? also i read installing playstore and running android games is another possibility, if you can find the better ones from the heap of garbage..
Man, I used to play hours on point n click games. I missed those time😥
console gaming is so amazing now! it's crazy how a decade ago mobile games looked so bitty, and now you've got cloud gaming and etc. to go off the hook with console and mobile gaming together!
This is so relatable as a guy who always play mobile games for like 9 years but this year I just got bored with it part of the reason why I decided its time to buy a new gaming PC so I did and now I'm gonna stuck with probably forever, and the prices of phone now is ridiculous than you can pretty much buy a decent PC parts with that price. Yeah PC and consoles is the best.
They can always add low/ off - ultra graphics but they arent adding graphics options like pc console have. And if added it will be like 4 5 settings
I think another important factor is that the mobile gaming market used to be more special. Back in 2012 it was a novelty to be able to play games on your phone/tablet, so the games back then just felt more magical.
Another thing is how the business model for mobile games has changed. Most mobile games used to cost real money to download, just like console/pc games. However, companies soon after realized just how much more money they could make by publishing free-to-play games with micro transactions and loot boxes.
The market is definitely not what it used to be. I used to get over a year worth of game time from one angry birds game for just a few dollars. How time has changed.
This became really obvious to me when I bought Alien Isolation on Android a few months ago. The graphics in that game blew my mind (real-time lighting and shadows, lit volumetric smoke), I had no idea that a phone was capable of running such a graphically intensive game. Not to mention it was a fully single player campaign with no microtransactions or adverts which you don't see anymore. Now when I look on the play store, all of the 3D games just look generic and cheap.
to succeed you need to 1. make your game controller compatable so it feels nice. 2. buid some kind of esports around it for competitive players.
I remember those EA Golf 3D 8+ years ago is awesome, better than any Golf game ive ever play in Store. Thats why still fun playing in Emulator for Smartphones than Apps Game.
There was a time when phones came with preinstalled games and its crazy that was a decade ago
Like UA-cam.
I mean, when I set up a new phone, Verizon does download some games to my phone automatically, but I almost always uninstall them because of ads
@@LegoWormNoah101 Even unlocked Xiaomi phones come with pre-installed games (unfortunately, the junk-tier kind).
Thank God you can uninstall these, at least on the EU phones.
The vibe of old mobile gaming just hits different I swear. Also love your vids
Mrwhosetheboss my favorite game ad of now is zenonia i dont play games in play store like the guy said twert simulator thingy i just play zenonia in my old phone idk why but its still hits different 🤷
I have been uploading mobile gaming content since 2020 and back then it was amazing, like people always watch my videos but nowadays everything seems to be difficult like I upload every week and I can barely get hundreds of viewers. maybe because I only have 3000+ subscribers but I really feel that people have now realized that mobile gaming is only for convenience and practicality as what you said and I feel sad about this.
Crazy how one of the largest tech UA-camrs always puts ads at the end. Mad respect to you fam
A few years back Huawei was saying how they were going to put raytracing into their GPU SOCs until they got canceled and denied access to the finest of TSMC. To be fair its unlikely it would have been good, but we're missing out on a future where mobile game devs could have been integrating rtx into mobile
games.
Only in NA/EU devs lmaooo
Asian dev games are good, maybe even far better than those titans in the west.
Look at Hoyoverse with Genshin Impact, Honkai StarRail, Honkai impact 3rd, Tears of Themis.
Hypergryph's Arknights and Azur lane
Nexon's Blue archives
Tencent's (Partners of GARENA) LOL wildrift, PUBG mobile
TIMI's (Also partners of GARENA) CODM, AOV, FREE FIRE,
Moonton's MLBB and MLBB adventure
Netease's LifeAfter, Identity V, Cyberhunter and Badlands
And many others games and asian game companies i failed to mention
ALL THOSE BULLCRAP SHIT GAMES YOU'VE GUYS BEEN SEEING ARE EITHER MADE BY THE WEST OR EU.
DON'T DRAG THE MOBILE GAME INDUSTRY CUZ OF YOUR WESTERN SHITTY MOBILE GAME DEVS 😂😂😂
HELL THEY EVEN MAKE MORE MONEY THAN THE LIKES OF PAID WESTERN GAMES Y'ALL PURCHASING. LEAST OURS CAN BE FREE TO PLAY UNLIKE PAYING FOR GAME CONTENT N STILL BE UNSATISFIED 😂😂😂
One thing you have to remember, Chinese companies are famous for just straight up lying about products.
China claims it invented anime and soccer for example.
Steam Deck: "allow us to introduce ourselves"
@@firebrony101 yeah, steam deck is an awesome thing
Sorry i am late but ray tracing on mobile?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Most mobile game developer dont care that much about graphics let alone adding rt , also most mobile games are esports where fps are very important.
Nahh, the real issue is the games themselves.
1. greed (microtransactions fucking everywhere)
2. unbalanced/bad progression (rider world WAS a good example until the update)
3. some developers don't evn know how to make fun games (any generic 3d game where you go on a track collecting things and avoiding things)
mobile gaming feels weird to me, the only "actual" game i have on my phone (pixel 7 pro) is minecraft. and i'm not even playing that on my phone since i'm mostly playing sudoku, which is sad. the p7p is such a good phone and i'm playing sudoku
The consistency that Arun is showing is just astronomical.
Astronomical? I think there’s a different word for that…
"Look at me being nice to try and farm some likes" typa comment.
It's his job lol
Only because he wants to beat apple in subscribers. Once he does that … bye bye consistency
Common Arun W