Howdy everyone! I'm super thrilled with this install and still can't believe how good the Jeep drives now!!! Don't forget to check out the amazon store and support the channel by scoring some of those cool Bones gloves I always use now! www.amazon.com/shop/autoedits
Jason - my man. I can't tell you how much joy these videos bring. I don't have the skills to do what you do, but get plenty of inspiration from your JK build. So many other channels are just people buying new Jeeps for 70K every 6 months and doing the same mods over and over. This is what an actual Jeep enthusiast channel should be. Taking a 9 year old Rubicon and making it better every year. Congrats man. You rock.
@@AutoEdits can I just second what Ben said. Seriously. Truly breath of fresh air. Don’t get me wrong I love the other channels but yours is just so real!
I agree with you all , everyone else becomes unrelatable with shelling out money on the hottest thing out and theres no point to watching the videos cause over half of us cant take anything away from the video other than the thought of " man i wish i could do something like that" but this is down to earth and even if you upgrade your still giving ppl info in which they can still appreciate there lower budget rigs and have fun. Keep up the good work
Awesome stuff Jason! You've inspired me to start my UA-cam channel. I've been a sub for a few years on my other profile. Your editing and camera angles are top notch. The b roll is great, you don't selfie mansplain like other channels, and the quality of the audio and video look professional. Now that I'm doing my own, I get how hard it can be and gotta show appreciation for the hard work and time you've put in. For now, I get to embrace the suck until my skills get better.
DUDE! I look forward to your description and play bye play videos. I really wish I lived in California still. I’d love to go over my Jeep with you and get your opinion about my build. Your like the dad I never had. Thank you for your content brother 💪💪💪💪😎👊
Jason, you always bring outstanding content! I’ve looked at doing one tons under our ‘13 JKU (she looks a lot like yours - 6 speed manual, triple black, but not a Rubicon), but it’s a bunch of fabrication if I want to use Super Duty axles that I’m not really skilled in; or a BUNCH of money to do UD60s. Not really feasible right now, and I realistically plan to wheel a lot like you do - trying to NOT tear our Jeep up. I’m going to give the Fusion website a look and see if this axle is the right one for us. Thanks again for the great content - you’re a great guy and I hope to meet you one day. You give me a lot of inspiration to get out in the garage and “do it,” which I honestly need. I was diagnosed with MS a few years ago, so my life has gotten a little turned upside down, coming to grips with this disease. You presenting this kind of technical content and the “you can do it too,” vibe you present it with really inspires me. Thanks brother, I really appreciate you!! P.S. Please give Pinto an ear scratch for me!!
Thanks so much for this, really nice to hear from you. Sorry to hear about your situation and I'll be sending good thoughts your way for sure! I do hope to meet a few of you out on the trail sometime... I'm trying to learn by watching some of my peers like Dirt Lifestyle how he makes a point to get around the country to connect with his viewers... he has a lot more than I do but it's still a good model to follow. Scratches for Pinto from you and cheers!!!
Thanks so much! I keep thinking how confident I am with this one... especially after the painful learning process of doing this twice and hope that helps someone else on this Jeeper journey! 😂
This has been an amazing upgrade... I am still VERY happy with the performance of this front axle setup. Just ordered the 60 hybrid rear for the Jeep from Fusion and am even MORE excited...LOL!!!
@@AutoEdits please tell me your going to do a video on it. I’m not even teasing, I absolutely look forward to watching your videos. You do an outstanding job
Hey thanks! I appreciate hearing that very much. I'm still so thrilled with this upgrade... the Jeep feels amazing on road and especially in the rocks!
Great upgraded, really enjoy your videos. Nice job of explaining things and I like the fact that your excitement is genuine. I also enjoyed the throwback sneak peek of Ram Johnsons fender. 😆
Anytime I do some big change to my Jeep, I tell my wife "Going for a test drive, if I am not back in 20 mins, something has gone terribly wrong and you need to come look for me". That new track bar mount lines up really well with the drag link mount, which is exactly what you want. This axle looks to be very similar in strength to the dynatrac. Which means its a huge upgrade over stock or the UD housing.
HA! Glad I'm not the only one with that contingency plan...😂 Yeah at this top level axle... they are pretty close in strength... it was the little things like track bar mount and the C's are a bit larger but the prorock does have that radical differential housing...
Just great. After watching your Ultimate 44 install a couple years ago, I installed the same. I had to fix my 3.5 lift bump related issues by installing an Arctec drag link bracket. That fixed it. However, now you've got me looking to upgrade to Fusion. Thanks a lot : )
HA! Sorry not sorry 😂That trackbar bracket fix should hold you for some time... what do you have in the rear of your Jeep? That's my next big concern... Funny how you solved that bracket thing so easy... in my preliminary searches... I couldn't find anything that would work with the thicker brackets on the ud44.
@@hemi1run HAHA! That's just my hang up...lol Not based in real world experience. As long as you have a good set of chromoly axle shafts back there and that truss should be "strong like bull"
I have the UD44 front in mine. It has held up fine but I couldn't get the caster I wanted without driveline vibrations. I had the inner C's rotated and the axle trussed. I had the Artec track arm bracket added as well along with PSC hydro assist. It drives beautifully now but even with a light foot, I keep bending my aftermarket rear Carbon Offroad shafts and they will not warranty them. I am making the switch to the Fusion 60/14b combo. Solid axles and the customer service from Dan is exceptional. Can't say the same about Carbon Offroad.
Yeah, it sounds like you did everything right to make that work for sure. Sorry to hear about your frustrations and hope you have smooth sailing with the Fusion stuff like me. They have an unlimited warranty on their chromoly axle shafts... I would've gone that way but had these RCV already and thought to put them to use. Dan rocks.
Beautiful D44 & I won't debate that it is the pinnacle of standard crate 44s but if we're talking, "pushing the limits" before bumping it up to tons... Fusion's 60/44 Hybrid is where it's at. 60 strength in a 44 package. I've had the pleasure of seeing it up close and that thing is stout. 60 lockers & gears, 35 spline, 3.5 OD, 7/16 wall and the cost between the 2 is negligible. You can comfortably run 40s without having to crawl on eggshells. It is heavier but the trade off is totally worth it. It might be excessive for most applications but it's future proof if ever you want to turn it up a notch.
All solid points and I would agree. I was shocked at the close cost but I'm still happy with the 44 differential housing offering me a bit more room for up travel without having to make accommodations on the skid plates and such. But there is no denying that great term you use of "future proofing" that Hybrid is a brilliant product for that.
Great video as always. It's truly amazing to see the progression of your Jeep, and your thought process that you convey to us mere mortals is exceptional. Change your axles as often as you please, for I/we stand with you! Gentlemen to bed, for we leave at first light, tomorrow we battle.
Thank you for this! So glad to hear folks like you that get what I'm doing here... not everything has to make sense and the learning process is sometimes expensive and labor intensive 😂 but that's not gonna stop me!!!
You’ve made important emphasis on caster angle and as well as I like how you talk about torquing the parts at ride height👍 This is not your first rodeo. Good job, sir.
i love your videos man! I need someone like you to work on my jeep with me and get it dialed in. I know I have excessive negative caster and I need to get that fixed, when I bought the jeep it came with a lift kit that was an unknown height so I need to undo the mistakes of the previous owner its been a hell of a lot of work. my lower control arms and not adjustable so i think thats the next step to get that negative caster fixed
This is why I helped my buddy Joe on his Jeep! It does just take a bit of extra "paying attention to the details" to make a rig handle great. We both now have Jeeps we can drive to any state and wheel and drive home. So just dig in and do your best!
Great video again Jason ! I wish I could afford a front diff like that for my TJ . I am having enough of a tough time saving up for a rear Dana 44 for it . I do have a pretty bomb proof Dana 30 in the front and I don't do any crazy trails anymore because of my disability . Anyways congratulations on your new Elite 44 and I'm looking forward to some Easter Jeep Safari videos from you . Have a great time my friend . Take care .
That fusion axle is great! I don’t know where you want your build to go but that axle seems like a solid jumping off point👍🏻👍🏻. Have a blast in Moab I’m sorry that I’m unable to go this year ☹️
Jason you the man!! I have some ocd on me and watching your nit installs It’s so gratifying. Thumbs way up buddy!! By the way what happened ? where is Pinto ?
The balljoint delete system by American iron off-road is the best choice for balljoints. Never heard of the ones your running personally. Hopefully they work out well for you though. But you’ve got lots of money on your hands to be switching axles that frequently lol I’ve got the UD44 and haven’t had any issues. But I also do have 3.5” of lift. So maybe your 4.5” makes a bigger difference than I would have thought. If I do decide to go bigger on things myself then fusion has always been my choice. The customization is insane and they’re a great company with great people. Good choice.
Yes on most of what you say here. After A TON of research... ball joints are better for me and these are really unique and high quality units with rebuild functionality. Not even the ball joint deletes use the load sharing upper design... makes so much more sense to me to maximize the strength of the C's and the steering feel is amazing. Yes, that UD44 at 3.5" of lift is absolutely perfect... I recommend setting your caster a bit more towards the 5-7 range for the best feel but only do that if you have an aftermarket driveshaft.
LOL like everyone at some point you will end up with a D60, you started with a cheeseburger went to the McDouble, then the BigMac, Next is the manly Steakburger , Can you guess Im at lunch. Anyway Looks Good and Im Glad you're happy Im happy because I get to see more Jason testing and cleaning
Move it up the list... LOL!!! They have them in stock... I was blown away that the thing showed up before Easter Jeep Safari. I was planning on doing it after!
@@AutoEdits Just doled out a big wad on a overlander trailer (Ember ROK) so likely next spring..... Heading to the high country of Wyoming in three weeks.
Jason I have been watching you for years and this video helped me decide on the axles for my jeep thanks for all the great video ! O one more thing we’re did you get your front turn signals are those KC ?
I don't know if you will reply as it's been a while since this video. Are there RCV performance axle shafts? What are rhose knuckles you keep recommending? REID? Question also, you haven't gone to ball joint deletes? I aak bc along with significant input from my life long Jeep Enthusiast Mechanic, i am accumulating my long Overland/Offroad (both) mod list. I just found your channel and love the detail you go into when doing your oru own installs. Watched your PSC steering kit install. Loved it. I am going to that kit and long arm Metal Cloak etc, all many of the Mods i see on your videos. I have a 21 JLUR. We, my mechanic shop owner/mechanic and I, haven't talked about axle change but instead changing to RCV axle shafts Now you have me thinking about upgrading the axle itself. Love your Metal Cloak aluminum fender flares. I thought i kiked GenRights better shopping and looking online but seeing your on ypur rig, maybe i was wrong. Haha I'm definitely getting rid of my huge factory fenser flares. Love your videos. ✌️
Howdy and welcome! There's a lot to unpack here but I'll do my best... PSC steering kit is amazing, still highly recommend. Reid knuckles are just an industry standard quality part for peace of mind. As for axle shafts... RCV is really good but the Fusion 4340 chromoly axle shaft upgrade is actually stronger and much cheaper (just doesn't have the unique look of the RCV orange boot). I like the strength of the Fusion D44 axle housing in critical areas like the tubes and the inner C's ( I show that comparison in this video). As for ball joint deletes... they are fine if you are a hard core off roader and offer that durability. I like the steering feel of a load sharing ball joint much better. That's all, personal preference. I'm more of a weekend warrior and want my Jeep to feel as good as possible for the long road trips and city driving. And as far as any product from MetalCloak goes... you will be happy to have interacted with them and be thrilled with whatever it is you've ordered. I still am, 9 years into owning my Jeep with multiple products still on my Jeep!
Nice video. Points to note though, these require a top-mounted draglink with the Reid knuckles. Also performance 2.5 shocks wont fit without a relocation brackets and since this axel is an older gen youll need to fabricate your own, i had to modify a pair of metalcloak brackets to get the job done. The cabling for the elocker was also not compatible with my 2016 Rubicon. Overall this axel is a nice upgrade and Fusion support is great, but watch out for the gotchas that this video does not cover.
Jason, thank you for putting out such great and frequent content. Your instructional videos very well explained and demonstrated. I find you and I are of much the same mindset on most upgrade issues. I am considering the 60/44 hybrid install both front and rear. I know you choose the 44 Elite front and it looks like you choose the 60/44 hybrid for the rear. I'm pretty much decided on the 60/44 both front and rear because I don't want to upgrade twice and I can get both axles for the price of one real 60, without the added cost of new brakes, wheels and tires. Questions (3): 1) It looks like you choose Eaton E-lockers, but didn't mention the connection on the install video. But I caught a quick clip of you mentioning a harness that allowed you to plug right into the OEM Rubicon wiring/switch. Can you please provide some information on what was necessary,? It would also be great to see this explained in your upcoming install of the rear axle. 2) What gearing did you select?; and 3) What's the largest tire you can fit on your Jeep and still park inside your garage? If I'm tracking properly, you were running 38" Patagonias and they fit in your garage and you mentioned wanting 39" BFG KM3, but settled for 37s due to availability. Could you fit 40s on and still park in the garage?
I appreciate this a bunch! Here are my thoughts on your questions... First up... going hybrid 60/44 front and rear is a phenomenal plan and the actual ULTIMATE practical setup. I went with the Elite44 because it was immediately available at the time I ordered (less than two weeks) and I've been comfortable with the 44 center section with my style of driving so far... but the 60 is peace of mind that is priceless on the trail! 1) I have a Rubicon so I just connected the Eaton locker to the stock Jeep harness relay. The add on wiring harness was just to fool the onboard computer to think it was a stock locker and not continually flash on the dash board when activated with the stock switch. I ordered one for the rear install so when it gets here I might be able to show that a bit more. 2) 4.88 gears... it's the perfect compliment to the 37" tires. It was fine for 38" but with a manual trans. going to 39's would be a bit of a stretch for rock crawling. 3) Depends on the top. The supertop ultra had a substantial bow across the top and would rub but fit into my garage with 4.5" of lift and a 38" tire. The Trektop fits with room to spare on the same setup so I felt like I could've easily gone to the 39" or 40" tire with that top. I haven't run the factory hardtop in years so I don't know the height with that. Does that help?
@@AutoEdits Thank you for the prompt reply, and YES, this helps a great deal. Regarding the add-on wiring harness: 1) do you have a part number or link where I can purchase the add-on wire harness; and 2) a link to any video that may be useful on it's install? I appreciate the extra info on soft tops, I saw were you installed 1-ton axles on your friends Jeep and he choose 37s for garage clearance issues, but I noticed he had a large bow in his top. I have an Bestop NX pro with a flat profile so I may be able to squeeze the jeep into the garage with 40s. Thanks for the gearing explanation. I have an 5-sp auto transmission, so I'm looking at the 5.13 or 5.38 gearing to help climb out of the AZ valley in to the high country for cooler wheeling.
I discovered them by looking underneath the rigs of some of my favorite drivers! That’s how I knew the quality was top notch and I have been extremely happy with this front setup. The hybrid would’ve been even more amazing but overkill for me.
I've installed the dynatrac axles on Joe's Jeep and Fusion pays more attention to some of the small details like track bar mounts and the welds are literally next level. So I'm all in on this brand... not that the other are bad... I feel this is just a bit better.
Sir, I have been eyeballing the 44/60 hybrid for front and rear. Why did you select the 44 over the hybrid? Not very many reviews or knowledge about them that I can find. Amazing video, thanks for taking the time to share.
I honestly feel the 44/60 hybrid on the front is more than I need. I'm generally easy on the ring and pinion gears so I want the clearance. The axle tubes are where I need the most strength upgrade and this is the perfect solution. In the rear, I want the bigger ring and pinion of the 60 and the beefy tubes but want to still use my JK brakes and wheels... so the semi float 60 is perfect for that.
Hey Jason, i love your JK vids! How does the Fusion Elite size up against the ProComp 44?? A lot of similar specs. What are your thoughts. THANKS for all you do!!
I'm not sure what axle you mean. This Fusion axle has the best track bar mounting options and the strongest "C" I've been extremely happy with it. Plus, they offer the quickest turn around. Many folks have been waiting months for other axles... I got this in 2 weeks. Same with the rear axle I just ordered... so happy about my fusion stuff!
I would box and weld reinforcement plates around the tie rod connection points even on the heavy duty axle knuckles . it's one of the weak points that can fail on the trail especially if you do a lot of rock crawling the knuckle will split at the tie rod hole and leave you stuck.
Awesome upgrade and congrats on getting everything dialed in right out the gate! I'm curious what the deciding factor was between the Elite 44 and the 60/44 hybrid options. Also curious why you opted for Fusion over others such as the Dynatrac PR44? Did you consider wider axles at all for better scrub radius? I'm running KMC Machetes with 3.5" backspacing on stock Rubicon 44s and it's not too bad, but I could see how a wider axle with less backspacing would improve things. Getting more castor would be my main motivator for an axle upgrade at this time.
I don’t think I need the 9.75” pinion of the d60 center section. Would be cool to have but overkill for this application and the elite 44 was in stock and delivered so fast! The steering with these wheels 4.5” backspace is fantastic.
Very awesome! Where you having any issues with the UD44? I have J8 Rubicon hybrid under mine. I'm only running 35s for now. So not concerned yet. Great build. Keep it up!
No the ud44 performed fantastic... just that pesky track bar mount was a bit low once I went to 4.5" of lift ... another comment mentioned the artec bracket fixes that so once I would've swapped out the ball joints... the thing would be still good to go in there. I'm just wanting to take the Jeep into a bit tougher direction for the foundation but still keep it interstate and city friendly. Still getting over 16mpg during the break in and driving errands around town.
I really enjoy your videos man, thanks for doing what you do. Are you in a Jeep club? Do you do meets. I just got my 1st Jeep and it came with a few extras, and 35’s. I have no idea if it was done right, it does not have death wobble but the steering fights me a lot. Would like to have an expert like you guide me so I can do the right upgrades in the right order.
@@AutoEdits Thanks for the reply! I’m also in SoCal, close to Bakersfield. If you want to Feature a mostly stock Jeep on 35’s in a video for content, let me know! For comparisons, driving on and road off-road, limitations recommendations etc. What type of trails you could and wouldn’t do in a mostly stock Jeep. Or what to look for when buying a used Jeep. As a new Jeep enthusiast, Is there a trustworthy place you could recommend that I can take my Jeep to get some advice and basically get it checked out? I really want to know what is stock and what is not. You have inspired me man. Eventually I want to get my Jeep to be off-road worthy, like your Jeep.
Other than with the track bar mount being little off once I went to 4.5" of lift but another commenter mentioned he fixed his with the artec track bar bracket. I actually had solid peace of mind with the dana/spicer gearset in the front of that thing... even the chromoly axle shafts are some of the strongest on the market.
Jason, great info/great videos. Looking to add the Fusion to my 2011 within the next year. Maybe I missed it on another video, but did you upgrade your rear axle as well? If so, what did you go with? I'm more into the overland world than rock crawling, but a fan of bombproof setups.
Just got an UD44 for my 2 door jk that has about 3 inches of lift from a Metalcloak dual rate kit. Hoping it’ll be perfect for 35s and eventually 37s. Never plan on running 4.5 inches of lift because I am a 2 door so I want to keep it lower anyways. That Fusion is a definite upgrade from the UD44, I am a little bummed about the stock ball joints. Oh well, I got it on sale haha
That's the perfect application for the ud44! The ball joints will be fine... just keep an eye on them if you wheel hard. I had a year on mine with 38" tires so you should be👌
The only gain in strength is the housing,and brackets,and that is marginal over the UD44. Unless you opted for the 35 spline ARB locker. The UD44 uses a 32 Spline Rubicon E locker vs the Fusion uses a 30 Spline E locker. Ball joints are an easy fix. Both have Pro/Con Great Video!
Thanks for the input. I believe the axle tube strength increase is more than marginal... it's the same tubes and brackets as the D60. For what I do, the center section should be strong enough... I hope... 😂
JK Rubicon is 30 spline inners on the front, not 32. The JL/JT is 32. The Eaton 4 pinion e-locker is also far superior to the OE Rubicon e-locker. Housing strength is a significant upgrade vs. the UD44. UD44 is “marginally” better than the stock axle. 35 spline isn’t really a benefit as the RCV necks down to a 30 spline shaft after the bearing surface.
Did you compare your Fusion axle against the offerings from Dynatrac and Currie? I'm sure you did, I was just wondering what made you go Fusion over these two.
I did... all the top tier axles are close but the track bar mount built in was a big one, the C's are unique and a couple of trusted extreme off road Jeepers who run big dog Fusion axles nudged me this direction because of the build quality. Plus, they got me the axle in less than two weeks so I can run it in Moab next week for EJS... everyone else was months behind. So a combo of things ... can't really knock any of them.
@@paulross7744 I didn't see them as an installed option on the dynatrac or currie sites but that's not to say you couldn't request them. I wouldn't have even discovered them unless I was looking at the drop down menus on the Fusion site! I was interested in the ball joint delete kits until learning about these and how much better they are.
Jason, are you running a big brake kit or do you just have the power stop pads and rotors? If you aren't running a big brake kit, I highly, highly recommend the JL Rubicon front brakes. I did a video of the installation and it's a direct swap. Super happy with them and because they are oem parts if I need parts, I just walk into the local part store and pick them up.
The housing you got sounds identical to the Teraflex one I got. It's got the same size tubes and all. Wondering if you gave this a thought or not? Great video, would love to get more content on the ball joints.
Curious if the dynatrac pro rock 44 was considered? If so what was the reasoning on this axle over the pro rock 44? Im trying to figure out my axle upgrade.
@@AutoEdits btw - after watching your metal cloak vid I got the game changer 2.5 kit for my 2010 JKU. Next is ditching the Dana 30 that prohibits the Sahara…which is why I was so happy to see you tackle this!!
Free spin hubs require a different bolt pattern as the hub ID and OD can't be made small enough to fit a 5x5 bolt pattern. The internal rotating mass isn't really relevant on modified Jeeps as the mass from larger wheels/tires and aerodynamic drag are what reduce the efficiency. Per Jeep, the FAD system on the JL/JT adds 0.2 to 0.5 MPG, depending on model and options. Not enough to care about unless trying to meet CAFE regulations. Free spin hubs require maintenance and add another failure point. For people who don't use 4wd for long periods of time, it can cause premature failure of inner oil seals and air seals in lockers due to lack of lubrication. Spinning = lubrication.
The question is, what's better, and why? Is Dynatracs profloat 60 with thicker flanges and 35 spline better or fusions 40 spline with standard flanges? 🤷♂️ From my understanding, the semifloats downfall is bent flanges. So what's better?
I want to run 35" tires on my 99 jeep xj. I was quoted $7,016 OTD, for Chrome moly shafts, arb lockers, re-gear, etc. both front and back, but I will keep my old D30 on front and C8.25 on the rear. However, I've been looking to outright replace front axle with the currie 44, and keep my C8.25 in the rear with re-gear and arb lockers. I need some serious advice. would appreciate your tips or advice. the currie might be an overkill for 35" tires, but keeping my options open for more aggressive build in the future. thank you
THEY ARE AMAZING! Sorry for shouting but, WOW they are good. Take your time to set them up like I demonstrate in this video and the steering will feel the best ever.
I want this axle for my 92 s10 blazer 2door build..but I'm a broke stay at home dad and don't have the money...so this project has already taken me 2 years
I have a 2005 TJ with a 4.0 engine and automatic Trans (108,000 miles). When I bought it had 35s (which turned out to be reversed so I wouldn't notice the Dry rot!). So running 33s with 3.73 gear. Now to the question: Do you thinks it better to get newer Jeep or just build up the TJ? Some folks say, "Get a new one, its so much better than to rebuild that old TJ." Your opinion?
Which one do you like better? Either can be "built" into something reliable and very capable. I like the wheelbase of the JKU/JLU better for the type of driving I do but love the looks of the TJ so do what you like best.
I've been wanting a upgraded D44 for my Rubi, but also wanting knuckles to eliminate unit brg and adding warn locking hubs... As a side note- your ultimate 44 has increased in price 2k over the past 2 yrs!... They are around 5.6k now Ouch!
i wish they made this for the jeep gladiator......mostly cause i dont want to buy new wheels and a driveshafts since i already got beadlocks and all that other stuff......
Great question, I'm still running the same Tom Wood's driveshafts from 5 years ago... it is time for a refresh but the trick is to just order the right pinion flange. I have 1350 U joints.
GREAT question! After spending a lot of time on the phone with them asking questions... it would've been an easy up-sell since I figured that was just what I should do but they explained that for the type of wheeling I do... the only benefit is the 9.75" ring gear. I tend to be somewhat kind in my wheeling in the sense that I don't do extreme rock crawling and when I do I'm conscious of my drive train and don't do clutch dumps or rev limiter stuff often. So, save the weight, size and cost and I'm pretty happy so far!
@@AutoEdits that all makes sense! I just built up both options on their website and noticed the the price difference is about $50. The 44/60 hybrid also come with 3.5” wall, 7/16” thick tubes compared to the 3.0”, 1/2” wall tube of the elite. I imagine that also the elite uses 30 spline RCV’s as I’m unaware of any Dana 44 e-locker has been updated to use the 35 spline shafts, compared to the hybrid using 35 spline RCV’s from the get go as it’s a Dana 60 chunk. I think both are great options for sure though! I wonder what the weight difference would be, I bet it’s not insignificant. What would be awesome is if the Jantz Engineering Jana54 would fit into the elite housing, or better yet, a Jana76 fit into the hybrid 44/60. Thanks for sharing!
This is all good data... I assumed the cost was more and never drilled down all the way like you just showed. Plus I like the packaging of the d44 for some reason... I'm doing the break in driving and still getting over 16 mpg. Kind of makes me happy just on that trend.LOL
Whatcha doing with the super44? Wouldn't mind having that in my sport instead of the 30 I should have broken a hundred times or more by now. I'm running 37's on a stock 30 with a lunchbox locker... I live dangerously.
Great question. The 60/44 hybrid has a Dana 60 center section with the bigger ring and pinion and JK outers and the Elite44 has a Dana 44 ring and pinion and same JK outers. If you are fairly hard core with your wheeling get the hybrid and if you are more "normal" like me... Elite is perfect.
Howdy everyone! I'm super thrilled with this install and still can't believe how good the Jeep drives now!!! Don't forget to check out the amazon store and support the channel by scoring some of those cool Bones gloves I always use now! www.amazon.com/shop/autoedits
Hey Jason,
Here in moab. Fusion $. Have several issues with Dana 44. Would love check out your new install. Rodney
Jason - my man. I can't tell you how much joy these videos bring. I don't have the skills to do what you do, but get plenty of inspiration from your JK build. So many other channels are just people buying new Jeeps for 70K every 6 months and doing the same mods over and over. This is what an actual Jeep enthusiast channel should be. Taking a 9 year old Rubicon and making it better every year. Congrats man. You rock.
DUDE!!!! Thanks so much for this comment... I really needed to hear this and appreciate you taking the time to help me!!!!!!!!🤘
@@AutoEdits can I just second what Ben said. Seriously. Truly breath of fresh air. Don’t get me wrong I love the other channels but yours is just so real!
I agree with you all , everyone else becomes unrelatable with shelling out money on the hottest thing out and theres no point to watching the videos cause over half of us cant take anything away from the video other than the thought of " man i wish i could do something like that" but this is down to earth and even if you upgrade your still giving ppl info in which they can still appreciate there lower budget rigs and have fun. Keep up the good work
Looking forward to seeing your Moab adventures!
Can't wait!
Awesome stuff Jason! You've inspired me to start my UA-cam channel. I've been a sub for a few years on my other profile. Your editing and camera angles are top notch. The b roll is great, you don't selfie mansplain like other channels, and the quality of the audio and video look professional. Now that I'm doing my own, I get how hard it can be and gotta show appreciation for the hard work and time you've put in. For now, I get to embrace the suck until my skills get better.
Congrats and hope you enjoy the process! I go back and see my old stuff and cringe big time 😂
After watching your videos you have given me the confidence that I need to start working on my own jeep and trying new things.
Awesome 👏!
Well after watching your video, I'm going with these axles. 44's front and rear. Great video!!!!
This setup is a complete homerun! I have been so pleased even years later... would not change a thing.
DUDE! I look forward to your description and play bye play videos. I really wish I lived in California still. I’d love to go over my Jeep with you and get your opinion about my build. Your like the dad I never had. Thank you for your content brother 💪💪💪💪😎👊
Thanks so much dude! I appreciate your support here... I hope to meet a few more of you guys on the trails at some point!
Jason, you always bring outstanding content!
I’ve looked at doing one tons under our ‘13 JKU (she looks a lot like yours - 6 speed manual, triple black, but not a Rubicon), but it’s a bunch of fabrication if I want to use Super Duty axles that I’m not really skilled in; or a BUNCH of money to do UD60s. Not really feasible right now, and I realistically plan to wheel a lot like you do - trying to NOT tear our Jeep up. I’m going to give the Fusion website a look and see if this axle is the right one for us.
Thanks again for the great content - you’re a great guy and I hope to meet you one day. You give me a lot of inspiration to get out in the garage and “do it,” which I honestly need. I was diagnosed with MS a few years ago, so my life has gotten a little turned upside down, coming to grips with this disease. You presenting this kind of technical content and the “you can do it too,” vibe you present it with really inspires me. Thanks brother, I really appreciate you!!
P.S. Please give Pinto an ear scratch for me!!
Thanks so much for this, really nice to hear from you. Sorry to hear about your situation and I'll be sending good thoughts your way for sure! I do hope to meet a few of you out on the trail sometime... I'm trying to learn by watching some of my peers like Dirt Lifestyle how he makes a point to get around the country to connect with his viewers... he has a lot more than I do but it's still a good model to follow.
Scratches for Pinto from you and cheers!!!
Nothing like watching an Autoedits video while cleaning an intake manifold in the kitchen sink. The axle looks top notch man.
Nice!!! Thanks dude!
Once again we are pleased to see you so excited about another upgrade. Making my upgrade lists off your videos. Thank you very much
Thanks so much! I keep thinking how confident I am with this one... especially after the painful learning process of doing this twice and hope that helps someone else on this Jeeper journey! 😂
I absolutely loved your enthusiasm over this. You make me want to run out and buy one for my rig. Awesome job!! 👏👍
This has been an amazing upgrade... I am still VERY happy with the performance of this front axle setup. Just ordered the 60 hybrid rear for the Jeep from Fusion and am even MORE excited...LOL!!!
@@AutoEdits please tell me your going to do a video on it. I’m not even teasing, I absolutely look forward to watching your videos. You do an outstanding job
Awesome video.!! Your enthusiasm and joy really is inspirational! Cool set up.!
Hey thanks! I appreciate hearing that very much. I'm still so thrilled with this upgrade... the Jeep feels amazing on road and especially in the rocks!
I'm really glad you keep going on this thing. I like seeing it evolve.
Thanks so much!
This thing worked so darned well in Moab this week. Really nice install - super clean and tidy.
Thanks dude... you know the benefits of attention to detail during the install paying big dividends down the trail... literally!
Congrats on the new Fusion axle Jason! They are a great company to work with! Well done again on the "one man install!"
Thanks 👍 Glad you appreciate the effort that goes into these!!!!! So far, I've been loving this!
Jason! I just saw you headed north on the 15 around jean nv! Couldn’t mistake that jeep for anything! Safe travels friend!
Awesome! Thanks, headed to Moab !
Great upgraded, really enjoy your videos. Nice job of explaining things and I like the fact that your excitement is genuine. I also enjoyed the throwback sneak peek of Ram Johnsons fender. 😆
Glad you got that... dang I miss that truck. I do feel genuinely thrilled with this one, hard to describe how much better the Jeep drives.
Jason I am always in awe of your ability to do it yourself. I wish I had those skills, if so my rubicon would be further along.
Thanks! Just pick something small and start working your way into bigger jobs. I never replaced an axle before I all of a sudden did... lol
Man this axle is on the shortlist for me! Very nice piece.
It's rare that I feel so completely sure that an upgrade is perfect BUT this one absolutely is!
Anytime I do some big change to my Jeep, I tell my wife "Going for a test drive, if I am not back in 20 mins, something has gone terribly wrong and you need to come look for me". That new track bar mount lines up really well with the drag link mount, which is exactly what you want. This axle looks to be very similar in strength to the dynatrac. Which means its a huge upgrade over stock or the UD housing.
HA! Glad I'm not the only one with that contingency plan...😂 Yeah at this top level axle... they are pretty close in strength... it was the little things like track bar mount and the C's are a bit larger but the prorock does have that radical differential housing...
Just great. After watching your Ultimate 44 install a couple years ago, I installed the same. I had to fix my 3.5 lift bump related issues by installing an Arctec drag link bracket. That fixed it. However, now you've got me looking to upgrade to Fusion. Thanks a lot : )
HA! Sorry not sorry 😂That trackbar bracket fix should hold you for some time... what do you have in the rear of your Jeep? That's my next big concern... Funny how you solved that bracket thing so easy... in my preliminary searches... I couldn't find anything that would work with the thicker brackets on the ud44.
@@AutoEdits rear has ten factory axles and a truss. I know how you feel about those so....
@@hemi1run HAHA! That's just my hang up...lol Not based in real world experience. As long as you have a good set of chromoly axle shafts back there and that truss should be "strong like bull"
I have the UD44 front in mine. It has held up fine but I couldn't get the caster I wanted without driveline vibrations. I had the inner C's rotated and the axle trussed. I had the Artec track arm bracket added as well along with PSC hydro assist. It drives beautifully now but even with a light foot, I keep bending my aftermarket rear Carbon Offroad shafts and they will not warranty them.
I am making the switch to the Fusion 60/14b combo. Solid axles and the customer service from Dan is exceptional. Can't say the same about Carbon Offroad.
Yeah, it sounds like you did everything right to make that work for sure. Sorry to hear about your frustrations and hope you have smooth sailing with the Fusion stuff like me. They have an unlimited warranty on their chromoly axle shafts... I would've gone that way but had these RCV already and thought to put them to use. Dan rocks.
Jason you do an outstanding job. I believe that will be my next upgrade
Thanks so much... YOU WILL BE THRILLED if you end up with a Fusion axle!!! I still am... looking at the getting the rear 60 now!
I LOL’ed at the “massive unit”. Fantastic video!
I'm so happy you appreciate my juvenile sense of humor, thank you!!!
WOW!!! Another amazing upgrade! Maybe the best one the Jeep has been through. I guess someone has to tell YOU… HEY JASON!! ENJOY YOUR DRIVE!!!!!
Wow, thanks!❤✌
Another killer upgrade man great job J.
Thanks!!!💪
Beautiful D44 & I won't debate that it is the pinnacle of standard crate 44s but if we're talking, "pushing the limits" before bumping it up to tons... Fusion's 60/44 Hybrid is where it's at. 60 strength in a 44 package. I've had the pleasure of seeing it up close and that thing is stout. 60 lockers & gears, 35 spline, 3.5 OD, 7/16 wall and the cost between the 2 is negligible. You can comfortably run 40s without having to crawl on eggshells. It is heavier but the trade off is totally worth it. It might be excessive for most applications but it's future proof if ever you want to turn it up a notch.
All solid points and I would agree. I was shocked at the close cost but I'm still happy with the 44 differential housing offering me a bit more room for up travel without having to make accommodations on the skid plates and such. But there is no denying that great term you use of "future proofing" that Hybrid is a brilliant product for that.
Great video as always. It's truly amazing to see the progression of your Jeep, and your thought process that you convey to us mere mortals is exceptional. Change your axles as often as you please, for I/we stand with you! Gentlemen to bed, for we leave at first light, tomorrow we battle.
Thank you for this! So glad to hear folks like you that get what I'm doing here... not everything has to make sense and the learning process is sometimes expensive and labor intensive 😂 but that's not gonna stop me!!!
Great video Jason!! That axle looks great.
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Pure beef for sure. That plug on the bottom of that cover looks like a rock magnet!
I think it is something to keep in mind for sure!
You’ve made important emphasis on caster angle and as well as I like how you talk about torquing the parts at ride height👍 This is not your first rodeo. Good job, sir.
Glad you appreciate those bits of data... I do my best to share the important stuff when I can.
i love your videos man! I need someone like you to work on my jeep with me and get it dialed in. I know I have excessive negative caster and I need to get that fixed, when I bought the jeep it came with a lift kit that was an unknown height so I need to undo the mistakes of the previous owner its been a hell of a lot of work. my lower control arms and not adjustable so i think thats the next step to get that negative caster fixed
This is why I helped my buddy Joe on his Jeep! It does just take a bit of extra "paying attention to the details" to make a rig handle great. We both now have Jeeps we can drive to any state and wheel and drive home. So just dig in and do your best!
I've been waiting for this video! Great job, as always! This is the axle I'm saving for, can't wait!
Right on! You will be as happy as me for sure... it's a quality company!
Dang you make this stuff look easy. Sold my jkur a while back for boat money. Now I’m missing the jeeping and want it back
That feeling is for real!!! LOL
Hey Jason! I hope you’re doing well.
Great video as always!
Hey, thanks! Sending good thoughts to you as well!👋
cant wait to see the matching 60 rear
ME TOO!!!
Great video again Jason ! I wish I could afford a front diff like that for my TJ . I am having enough of a tough time saving up for a rear Dana 44 for it . I do have a pretty bomb proof Dana 30 in the front and I don't do any crazy trails anymore because of my disability . Anyways congratulations on your new Elite 44 and I'm looking forward to some Easter Jeep Safari videos from you . Have a great time my friend . Take care .
Thanks so much dude... maybe we cross paths on the trail sometime!
@@AutoEdits Yes sir I am hoping we do !
That fusion axle is great! I don’t know where you want your build to go but that axle seems like a solid jumping off point👍🏻👍🏻. Have a blast in Moab I’m sorry that I’m unable to go this year ☹️
Thanks! Hope to cross paths in the dirt sometime
Jason you the man!! I have some ocd on me and watching your nit installs It’s so gratifying. Thumbs way up buddy!! By the way what happened ? where is Pinto ?
Pintos good, she doesn’t come out to the garage much anymore.
The balljoint delete system by American iron off-road is the best choice for balljoints. Never heard of the ones your running personally. Hopefully they work out well for you though.
But you’ve got lots of money on your hands to be switching axles that frequently lol I’ve got the UD44 and haven’t had any issues. But I also do have 3.5” of lift. So maybe your 4.5” makes a bigger difference than I would have thought.
If I do decide to go bigger on things myself then fusion has always been my choice. The customization is insane and they’re a great company with great people. Good choice.
Yes on most of what you say here. After A TON of research... ball joints are better for me and these are really unique and high quality units with rebuild functionality. Not even the ball joint deletes use the load sharing upper design... makes so much more sense to me to maximize the strength of the C's and the steering feel is amazing.
Yes, that UD44 at 3.5" of lift is absolutely perfect... I recommend setting your caster a bit more towards the 5-7 range for the best feel but only do that if you have an aftermarket driveshaft.
Impressive looking rig 😎
Thanks 👍
LOL like everyone at some point you will end up with a D60, you started with a cheeseburger went to the McDouble, then the BigMac, Next is the manly Steakburger , Can you guess Im at lunch. Anyway Looks Good and Im Glad you're happy Im happy because I get to see more Jason testing and cleaning
😂👌😂 Thanks and hope lunch was great!
Sweet axle Jeepin’ Jason!
Thanks dude 🤘😂
Also, thanks for going over the caster and bump steer issue. I’m having issues with that.
Did you see the comments sharing that Artec makes a track bar bracket adapter to get better geometry? Sounds like a great fix for that.
Nice, this had been on the list for a year now...
Move it up the list... LOL!!! They have them in stock... I was blown away that the thing showed up before Easter Jeep Safari. I was planning on doing it after!
@@AutoEdits Just doled out a big wad on a overlander trailer (Ember ROK) so likely next spring..... Heading to the high country of Wyoming in three weeks.
Enjoy the trip!
Jason I have been watching you for years and this video helped me decide on the axles for my jeep thanks for all the great video ! O one more thing we’re did you get your front turn signals are those KC ?
You will be absolutely thrilled with the Fusion stuff! Here's a video on the front light setup on my Jeep ua-cam.com/video/qwHOvTxjqWQ/v-deo.html
I have been trying to decide about an axle swap when I go up to 40s on my jk, I think you gave me an idea😎
The 44/60 hybrid would be absolutely perfect and easy for that!!!
Sweet. Staying with more stock axle but interesting to see how easy it is.
I don't know if you will reply as it's been a while since this video. Are there RCV performance axle shafts? What are rhose knuckles you keep recommending? REID? Question also, you haven't gone to ball joint deletes? I aak bc along with significant input from my life long Jeep Enthusiast Mechanic, i am accumulating my long Overland/Offroad (both) mod list. I just found your channel and love the detail you go into when doing your oru own installs. Watched your PSC steering kit install. Loved it. I am going to that kit and long arm Metal Cloak etc, all many of the Mods i see on your videos. I have a 21 JLUR. We, my mechanic shop owner/mechanic and I, haven't talked about axle change but instead changing to RCV axle shafts Now you have me thinking about upgrading the axle itself. Love your Metal Cloak aluminum fender flares. I thought i kiked GenRights better shopping and looking online but seeing your on ypur rig, maybe i was wrong. Haha I'm definitely getting rid of my huge factory fenser flares. Love your videos. ✌️
Howdy and welcome! There's a lot to unpack here but I'll do my best... PSC steering kit is amazing, still highly recommend. Reid knuckles are just an industry standard quality part for peace of mind. As for axle shafts... RCV is really good but the Fusion 4340 chromoly axle shaft upgrade is actually stronger and much cheaper (just doesn't have the unique look of the RCV orange boot). I like the strength of the Fusion D44 axle housing in critical areas like the tubes and the inner C's ( I show that comparison in this video). As for ball joint deletes... they are fine if you are a hard core off roader and offer that durability. I like the steering feel of a load sharing ball joint much better. That's all, personal preference. I'm more of a weekend warrior and want my Jeep to feel as good as possible for the long road trips and city driving. And as far as any product from MetalCloak goes... you will be happy to have interacted with them and be thrilled with whatever it is you've ordered. I still am, 9 years into owning my Jeep with multiple products still on my Jeep!
@AutoEdits thx for your detailed reply. Very much appreciated ✌️
Nice video as always, and a dream axle install
Thanks for being here for the premiere!
Nice video. Points to note though, these require a top-mounted draglink with the Reid knuckles. Also performance 2.5 shocks wont fit without a relocation brackets and since this axel is an older gen youll need to fabricate your own, i had to modify a pair of metalcloak brackets to get the job done. The cabling for the elocker was also not compatible with my 2016 Rubicon. Overall this axel is a nice upgrade and Fusion support is great, but watch out for the gotchas that this video does not cover.
Jason, thank you for putting out such great and frequent content. Your instructional videos very well explained and demonstrated. I find you and I are of much the same mindset on most upgrade issues. I am considering the 60/44 hybrid install both front and rear. I know you choose the 44 Elite front and it looks like you choose the 60/44 hybrid for the rear. I'm pretty much decided on the 60/44 both front and rear because I don't want to upgrade twice and I can get both axles for the price of one real 60, without the added cost of new brakes, wheels and tires.
Questions (3):
1) It looks like you choose Eaton E-lockers, but didn't mention the connection on the install video. But I caught a quick clip of you mentioning a harness that allowed you to plug right into the OEM Rubicon wiring/switch. Can you please provide some information on what was necessary,? It would also be great to see this explained in your upcoming install of the rear axle.
2) What gearing did you select?; and
3) What's the largest tire you can fit on your Jeep and still park inside your garage? If I'm tracking properly, you were running 38" Patagonias and they fit in your garage and you mentioned wanting 39" BFG KM3, but settled for 37s due to availability. Could you fit 40s on and still park in the garage?
I appreciate this a bunch!
Here are my thoughts on your questions...
First up... going hybrid 60/44 front and rear is a phenomenal plan and the actual ULTIMATE practical setup. I went with the Elite44 because it was immediately available at the time I ordered (less than two weeks) and I've been comfortable with the 44 center section with my style of driving so far... but the 60 is peace of mind that is priceless on the trail!
1) I have a Rubicon so I just connected the Eaton locker to the stock Jeep harness relay. The add on wiring harness was just to fool the onboard computer to think it was a stock locker and not continually flash on the dash board when activated with the stock switch. I ordered one for the rear install so when it gets here I might be able to show that a bit more.
2) 4.88 gears... it's the perfect compliment to the 37" tires. It was fine for 38" but with a manual trans. going to 39's would be a bit of a stretch for rock crawling.
3) Depends on the top. The supertop ultra had a substantial bow across the top and would rub but fit into my garage with 4.5" of lift and a 38" tire. The Trektop fits with room to spare on the same setup so I felt like I could've easily gone to the 39" or 40" tire with that top. I haven't run the factory hardtop in years so I don't know the height with that.
Does that help?
@@AutoEdits Thank you for the prompt reply, and YES, this helps a great deal. Regarding the add-on wiring harness: 1) do you have a part number or link where I can purchase the add-on wire harness; and 2) a link to any video that may be useful on it's install? I appreciate the extra info on soft tops, I saw were you installed 1-ton axles on your friends Jeep and he choose 37s for garage clearance issues, but I noticed he had a large bow in his top. I have an Bestop NX pro with a flat profile so I may be able to squeeze the jeep into the garage with 40s. Thanks for the gearing explanation. I have an 5-sp auto transmission, so I'm looking at the 5.13 or 5.38 gearing to help climb out of the AZ valley in to the high country for cooler wheeling.
umm wow, thats one heck of an axle! nice jump in beef dude!
Thanks, it's a bit tough to have to do this twice but I feel this is the right one now.
@@AutoEdits second time around usually goes a lot smoother! you made it look easy
You could gift me your old one and I wouldn’t even be sad. Great video Jason.
Thanks dude... might use that axle so we'll see about that. 🤘
Nice upgrade, I'm hoping to be able to swap in a prorock 44 for mine
You can do it!
I was looking at some of Fusion's other axle sets. Amazing! How come I've never heard of them before? They should advertise more.
I discovered them by looking underneath the rigs of some of my favorite drivers! That’s how I knew the quality was top notch and I have been extremely happy with this front setup. The hybrid would’ve been even more amazing but overkill for me.
If you open a Jeep shop, it will be the best one in the world. I haven't seen a level of precision anywhere else.
Thanks so much dude... it's just what I do.
Informative vudio love this work ❤❤ watching this video from kashmir❤❤
Thanks and welcome!
Sweet. Hard for me to imagine any axle company competing with what Dynatrack does but you make a good case
I've installed the dynatrac axles on Joe's Jeep and Fusion pays more attention to some of the small details like track bar mounts and the welds are literally next level. So I'm all in on this brand... not that the other are bad... I feel this is just a bit better.
Been looking into this axle! Thing is pure Beef!
Every single bit of it is perfect for what I want!
Sir,
I have been eyeballing the 44/60 hybrid for front and rear. Why did you select the 44 over the hybrid? Not very many reviews or knowledge about them that I can find. Amazing video, thanks for taking the time to share.
I honestly feel the 44/60 hybrid on the front is more than I need. I'm generally easy on the ring and pinion gears so I want the clearance. The axle tubes are where I need the most strength upgrade and this is the perfect solution. In the rear, I want the bigger ring and pinion of the 60 and the beefy tubes but want to still use my JK brakes and wheels... so the semi float 60 is perfect for that.
Hey Jason, i love your JK vids! How does the Fusion Elite size up against the ProComp 44?? A lot of similar specs. What are your thoughts. THANKS for all you do!!
I'm not sure what axle you mean. This Fusion axle has the best track bar mounting options and the strongest "C" I've been extremely happy with it. Plus, they offer the quickest turn around. Many folks have been waiting months for other axles... I got this in 2 weeks. Same with the rear axle I just ordered... so happy about my fusion stuff!
I would box and weld reinforcement plates around the tie rod connection points even on the heavy duty axle knuckles . it's one of the weak points that can fail on the trail especially if you do a lot of rock crawling the knuckle will split at the tie rod hole and leave you stuck.
Good suggestion for someone doing extreme rock crawling but I have no need for that.
Awesome upgrade and congrats on getting everything dialed in right out the gate! I'm curious what the deciding factor was between the Elite 44 and the 60/44 hybrid options. Also curious why you opted for Fusion over others such as the Dynatrac PR44? Did you consider wider axles at all for better scrub radius? I'm running KMC Machetes with 3.5" backspacing on stock Rubicon 44s and it's not too bad, but I could see how a wider axle with less backspacing would improve things. Getting more castor would be my main motivator for an axle upgrade at this time.
I don’t think I need the 9.75” pinion of the d60 center section. Would be cool to have but overkill for this application and the elite 44 was in stock and delivered so fast! The steering with these wheels 4.5” backspace is fantastic.
Very awesome! Where you having any issues with the UD44? I have J8 Rubicon hybrid under mine. I'm only running 35s for now. So not concerned yet. Great build. Keep it up!
No the ud44 performed fantastic... just that pesky track bar mount was a bit low once I went to 4.5" of lift ... another comment mentioned the artec bracket fixes that so once I would've swapped out the ball joints... the thing would be still good to go in there. I'm just wanting to take the Jeep into a bit tougher direction for the foundation but still keep it interstate and city friendly. Still getting over 16mpg during the break in and driving errands around town.
FOR THE ALGORITHM!! 🤺
(Also RCV axles! 👌)
I do love that orange!
I really enjoy your videos man, thanks for doing what you do. Are you in a Jeep club? Do you do meets. I just got my 1st Jeep and it came with a few extras, and 35’s. I have no idea if it was done right, it does not have death wobble but the steering fights me a lot. Would like to have an expert like you guide me so I can do the right upgrades in the right order.
I’m not in a club but am around SoCal
@@AutoEdits Thanks for the reply! I’m also in SoCal, close to Bakersfield. If you want to Feature a mostly stock Jeep on 35’s in a video for content, let me know! For comparisons, driving on and road off-road, limitations recommendations etc. What type of trails you could and wouldn’t do in a mostly stock Jeep. Or what to look for when buying a used Jeep.
As a new Jeep enthusiast, Is there a trustworthy place you could recommend that I can take my Jeep to get some advice and basically get it checked out? I really want to know what is stock and what is not. You have inspired me man. Eventually I want to get my Jeep to be off-road worthy, like your Jeep.
Jason, great video... when can you start working on my Jeep?
Other than with the track bar mount being little off once I went to 4.5" of lift but another commenter mentioned he fixed his with the artec track bar bracket. I actually had solid peace of mind with the dana/spicer gearset in the front of that thing... even the chromoly axle shafts are some of the strongest on the market.
Jason, great info/great videos. Looking to add the Fusion to my 2011 within the next year. Maybe I missed it on another video, but did you upgrade your rear axle as well? If so, what did you go with? I'm more into the overland world than rock crawling, but a fan of bombproof setups.
Coming up is the Fusion semi float D60 for the rear!!! I'm very excited about it.
Just got an UD44 for my 2 door jk that has about 3 inches of lift from a Metalcloak dual rate kit. Hoping it’ll be perfect for 35s and eventually 37s. Never plan on running 4.5 inches of lift because I am a 2 door so I want to keep it lower anyways. That Fusion is a definite upgrade from the UD44, I am a little bummed about the stock ball joints. Oh well, I got it on sale haha
That's the perfect application for the ud44! The ball joints will be fine... just keep an eye on them if you wheel hard. I had a year on mine with 38" tires so you should be👌
The only gain in strength is the housing,and brackets,and that is marginal over the UD44. Unless you opted for the 35 spline ARB locker. The UD44 uses a 32 Spline Rubicon E locker vs the Fusion uses a 30 Spline E locker. Ball joints are an easy fix. Both have Pro/Con
Great Video!
Thanks for the input. I believe the axle tube strength increase is more than marginal... it's the same tubes and brackets as the D60. For what I do, the center section should be strong enough... I hope... 😂
JK Rubicon is 30 spline inners on the front, not 32. The JL/JT is 32. The Eaton 4 pinion e-locker is also far superior to the OE Rubicon e-locker. Housing strength is a significant upgrade vs. the UD44. UD44 is “marginally” better than the stock axle. 35 spline isn’t really a benefit as the RCV necks down to a 30 spline shaft after the bearing surface.
Awesome Jason
Thanks!
Did you compare your Fusion axle against the offerings from Dynatrac and Currie? I'm sure you did, I was just wondering what made you go Fusion over these two.
I did... all the top tier axles are close but the track bar mount built in was a big one, the C's are unique and a couple of trusted extreme off road Jeepers who run big dog Fusion axles nudged me this direction because of the build quality. Plus, they got me the axle in less than two weeks so I can run it in Moab next week for EJS... everyone else was months behind. So a combo of things ... can't really knock any of them.
@@AutoEdits are other top tier axles using Rare Parts ball joints?
@@paulross7744 I didn't see them as an installed option on the dynatrac or currie sites but that's not to say you couldn't request them. I wouldn't have even discovered them unless I was looking at the drop down menus on the Fusion site! I was interested in the ball joint delete kits until learning about these and how much better they are.
Jason, are you running a big brake kit or do you just have the power stop pads and rotors? If you aren't running a big brake kit, I highly, highly recommend the JL Rubicon front brakes. I did a video of the installation and it's a direct swap. Super happy with them and because they are oem parts if I need parts, I just walk into the local part store and pick them up.
Thanks for the suggestion... I do have a big brake kit and am pretty happy. Did it several years ago and they still look really good.
Great video
Thank you!
Their 44/60 hybrid seems sweet too. I'm actually surprised without a truss, it doesn't appear the tubes are welded 🤷🏻♂️
I agree... the hybrid had my interest at first and think this should do the job for me. A perimeter weld would be beneficial.
Congrats on the new axle just wondering if u sold the old one
Thanks! I'm hanging on to it for another project.
The housing you got sounds identical to the Teraflex one I got. It's got the same size tubes and all. Wondering if you gave this a thought or not? Great video, would love to get more content on the ball joints.
I did do exhaustive comparisons and quick availability and my friends recommendation towards fusion won out.
Looks great. My only concern is the drain plug out front.
I didn't notice that till another comment but after a direct hit on that sucker on Moab Rim last week... it's looking really good.
@@AutoEdits side note, any interference with the Metalcloak skid plate and the Magnaflow resonator?
Curious if the dynatrac pro rock 44 was considered? If so what was the reasoning on this axle over the pro rock 44? Im trying to figure out my axle upgrade.
Sure, I thought about that but the small details on the Fusion added up to a big deal to me... the track bar mount, the welds, spring perches etc.
@@AutoEdits awesome! Thank you for tje reply! Keep up the good work my friend!
One huge thing missing is free-spin hubs…that entire mass is spinning the entire time when in 2wd…I’d love to see a great option for Dana 44’s.
Solid thought process.
@@AutoEdits btw - after watching your metal cloak vid I got the game changer 2.5 kit for my 2010 JKU. Next is ditching the Dana 30 that prohibits the Sahara…which is why I was so happy to see you tackle this!!
Awesome to hear!
Free spin hubs require a different bolt pattern as the hub ID and OD can't be made small enough to fit a 5x5 bolt pattern. The internal rotating mass isn't really relevant on modified Jeeps as the mass from larger wheels/tires and aerodynamic drag are what reduce the efficiency. Per Jeep, the FAD system on the JL/JT adds 0.2 to 0.5 MPG, depending on model and options. Not enough to care about unless trying to meet CAFE regulations. Free spin hubs require maintenance and add another failure point. For people who don't use 4wd for long periods of time, it can cause premature failure of inner oil seals and air seals in lockers due to lack of lubrication. Spinning = lubrication.
Great video!! For caster, how many degrees would you recommend for best ride on a 3 inch lift?
I ran mine at +5 caster and was very happy.
The question is, what's better, and why? Is Dynatracs profloat 60 with thicker flanges and 35 spline better or fusions 40 spline with standard flanges? 🤷♂️ From my understanding, the semifloats downfall is bent flanges. So what's better?
insane how much the cost of all these upgrades have gotten with overlanding becoming so popular.
Yup
I want to run 35" tires on my 99 jeep xj. I was quoted $7,016 OTD, for Chrome moly shafts, arb lockers, re-gear, etc. both front and back, but I will keep my old D30 on front and C8.25 on the rear. However, I've been looking to outright replace front axle with the currie 44, and keep my C8.25 in the rear with re-gear and arb lockers. I need some serious advice. would appreciate your tips or advice. the currie might be an overkill for 35" tires, but keeping my options open for more aggressive build in the future. thank you
I just got a set of those balljoints for my Rubicon Recon stock axle. How do you like them so far?
THEY ARE AMAZING! Sorry for shouting but, WOW they are good. Take your time to set them up like I demonstrate in this video and the steering will feel the best ever.
@@AutoEditsThats awesome!! Installing them after work today. Love the content! Happy New Year 🍾
Jason, with the new axle upfront. Does the locker work off air or the OEM dash controls?
I am going to try and run it off the rubicon wiring harness with an adapter from spicer. I’ll let you know how it goes 🤞
@@AutoEdits Awesome, I would like very much to see that video. Great content!
I want this axle for my 92 s10 blazer 2door build..but I'm a broke stay at home dad and don't have the money...so this project has already taken me 2 years
Awsome !!! What do you think the weight differance is ?
Thanks
Maybe 30lbs. I could still lift it as opposed to the D60's I put on Joe's Jeep. Those things wrecked my back. 😂
Wow! That's not that big of a difference. Sweet
I have a 2005 TJ with a 4.0 engine and automatic Trans (108,000 miles). When I bought it had 35s (which turned out to be reversed so I wouldn't notice the Dry rot!). So running 33s with 3.73 gear. Now to the question: Do you thinks it better to get newer Jeep or just build up the TJ? Some folks say, "Get a new one, its so much better than to rebuild that old TJ." Your opinion?
Which one do you like better? Either can be "built" into something reliable and very capable. I like the wheelbase of the JKU/JLU better for the type of driving I do but love the looks of the TJ so do what you like best.
@@AutoEdits thanks for the input.
I've been wanting a upgraded D44 for my Rubi, but also wanting knuckles to eliminate unit brg and adding warn locking hubs... As a side note- your ultimate 44 has increased in price 2k over the past 2 yrs!... They are around 5.6k now Ouch!
Yeah, that's a huge factor now that was part of the decision factor back then. Now the prices are so close it makes NO SENSE to go that way now.
Damn geno!! So that's where all your 90 day fiance money is going to. Nice jeep
Hey thanks!
i wish they made this for the jeep gladiator......mostly cause i dont want to buy new wheels and a driveshafts since i already got beadlocks and all that other stuff......
EXACTLY! I would give them a call and make sure this isn't adaptable to the Gladiator.
Hey Jason, I was wondering if you had to change the front drive shaft?
Great question, I'm still running the same Tom Wood's driveshafts from 5 years ago... it is time for a refresh but the trick is to just order the right pinion flange. I have 1350 U joints.
@@AutoEditsoh nice....
Awesome!! So when’s the engine swap coming?? :)
Once I get the rear axle sorted out... time for MORE POWER! 🤘😂
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@@roguetrail9495 HAHAHA!!! Nicely done!!!!
Looks rad! Curious what made you go with the elite 44 compared to the 44/60 hybrid?
GREAT question! After spending a lot of time on the phone with them asking questions... it would've been an easy up-sell since I figured that was just what I should do but they explained that for the type of wheeling I do... the only benefit is the 9.75" ring gear. I tend to be somewhat kind in my wheeling in the sense that I don't do extreme rock crawling and when I do I'm conscious of my drive train and don't do clutch dumps or rev limiter stuff often. So, save the weight, size and cost and I'm pretty happy so far!
@@AutoEdits that all makes sense! I just built up both options on their website and noticed the the price difference is about $50. The 44/60 hybrid also come with 3.5” wall, 7/16” thick tubes compared to the 3.0”, 1/2” wall tube of the elite. I imagine that also the elite uses 30 spline RCV’s as I’m unaware of any Dana 44 e-locker has been updated to use the 35 spline shafts, compared to the hybrid using 35 spline RCV’s from the get go as it’s a Dana 60 chunk. I think both are great options for sure though! I wonder what the weight difference would be, I bet it’s not insignificant.
What would be awesome is if the Jantz Engineering Jana54 would fit into the elite housing, or better yet, a Jana76 fit into the hybrid 44/60. Thanks for sharing!
This is all good data... I assumed the cost was more and never drilled down all the way like you just showed. Plus I like the packaging of the d44 for some reason... I'm doing the break in driving and still getting over 16 mpg. Kind of makes me happy just on that trend.LOL
Jason what brand name is your LED front turn signals and where did you get them?
Those are the JW Speaker setup. ua-cam.com/video/qwHOvTxjqWQ/v-deo.html
That axle was mentioned to me about 2 years ago. Are you planning on doing the rear? Gear ratio? Wider than stock? What brand/size tire do you have?
Yes semi float 60 rear stock width like the front. 38x13.5 tires 4.88 gears
Whatcha doing with the super44? Wouldn't mind having that in my sport instead of the 30 I should have broken a hundred times or more by now. I'm running 37's on a stock 30 with a lunchbox locker... I live dangerously.
Hanging on to it for a bit... possibly another project.
great video,what's difference between the elite 44/60 combo and the fusion 60/44 hybrid.thanks
Great question. The 60/44 hybrid has a Dana 60 center section with the bigger ring and pinion and JK outers and the Elite44 has a Dana 44 ring and pinion and same JK outers. If you are fairly hard core with your wheeling get the hybrid and if you are more "normal" like me... Elite is perfect.
Very. Nice
Thanks!