Anti-Abortion Theist Caller FLUBS Bodily Autonomy | Matt Dillahunty + Jimmy Snow
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Jacob calls in aiming to convince atheist hosts to be anti-abortion. He poses moral dilemmas about killing one to save many, implying abortion is wrong. The hosts point out morality is irrelevant to legality and bodily autonomy matters more.
Jacob ignores bodily autonomy and suggests a child should be able to force a kidney donation from their parent to save their life. The hosts challenge Jacob's incoherent concept of rights not depending on relationships. They persistently question his flawed reasoning and he fails to directly respond.
After exposing his poor grasp of rights and pregnancy terms, they conclude Jacob lacks any substantive argument and needs basic education on the issue before debating.
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Jacob was not a sincere caller, point blank. When they tried to suggest pregnancy was a mild inconvenience, that was the admission that they aren't serious.
only an unmarried male would say something like that. If my wife goes through pregnancy and I do the descent thing and go through it WITH her I dont think I ll ever say something stupid like that
@@fritzhaselnuss7852With all due respect, not even all unmarried males would say something like Jacob said. Granted, some would subscribe to such a blatantly wrong viewpoint; but I suspect that the majority would disagree with the position taken by Jacob.
Listening to this call makes me glad that I was already eighteen years old (the age Jacob claims to be) a quarter-century ago. I can't fathom being that age and not knowing the difference between rights, privileges and responsibilities-in any year, particularly in 2023. Jacob gives me the distinct impression that they don't know how to even study a given issue. I'm operating under the assumption that they graduated from high school several months ago. But, in their case, I fear that it was a matter of social promotion for thirteen years (Kindergarten through Grade 12). That, in turn, makes me call into question the qualifications of their teachers during that time. Then again, they probably attended private, for-profit religious "schools" which would explain their utter willful ignorance on such an important issue as bodily autonomy.
I agree. TBH it doesn’t even sound like they’re awake
@@thomash.schwed3662they didn't say ALL unmarried males would say something like that, they said ONLY unmarried males would say something like that. Not at all the same thing. The "not all men" response is, as usual, misplaced.
- An unmarried man who wouldn't say something like that
@@briansimonds552Except their point is still incorrect. The dude's I've met who were the most ignorant about the female body, and who thought the least of women as people, have all been nearly exclusively married men. Dudes like that tend to find tradcon wives immediately out of high school.
They never understand what rights are, like EVER. It's sad and terrifying.
They have a vested interest in those rights not existing.
They don't understand lefts either .... because Jesus only spoke middle....
@@Diviancethey don’t think past the cute “baby” should live because I don’t have to go through with it
@@heinz57channel39
Oh, honestly I don't think the "baby" has anything to do with it at all. I don't think they spare a single thought for it. I think it is all about control over other people.
@@Diviance I don’t give malice when stupid and lazy fits just as well.
Gets blown out of the water.
"I'm not wrong! You're just impossible to talk to!"
Runs away.
Perfect example of someone that came to their conclusion over emotion rather than knowledge
"Relinquish the emotion which rests upon a mistaken belief, and seek to feel fully that emotion which fits the facts"
-Eliezer Yudkowski, _12 Virtues of Rationality_
Bro it’s a 18 year old calm down. Y’all shit on Shapiro for debating college kids but somehow this is an own lol
@@aepneuma lol you're taking this a lot more emotionally than I am bud
@@aepneumawhat shabibo does is not debate though…
@@aepneumathey bag on little benny bc he's a dishonest interlocutor he just happens to like messing with college kids
"You're impossible to talk to," equals, you weren't following their script. That might be why they were pausing, as they tried to find their next talking point.
"they" are fuc*ing crazy.
Yes, exactly. I firmly believe he was going off a script, hence the long pauses while he found his next argument. And then got frustrated when they didn't follow along with it and he got off script.
Yeah I strongly suspected this was a script
Theist uses They Them pronouns and argues Anti Choice? Troll for Days.
Atleast he is honest on having several voices in his head.
@@themplar I missed that part. it was too painful to listen too. barely made it 5 minutes
That’s pretty transphobic . Same sexism used against women who support pro life positions .
This isn't trolling, this is a third-grader taking on the Harlem Globetrotters. He may have intended to troll, but Matt and Jimmy wouldn't follow his script. Because his script is terrible. And it's terrible, because he wrote it himself. And because he wrote it himself, he was SUPER confident in it. So, like the aforementioned third-grader, he got dunked on. A lot.
It sets a bad precedent to not respect their pronouns . They could very well be a troll (likely, IMO). BUT. We HAVE to (if you're a good person) take people at face value.
Otherwise we'll have a lot of nonbinary peeps that people will just steam roll over because *insert any reason here.*
I'm NB. This has been my experience. We get a lot of hate from all sides, LGBTQ included.
The average anti-abortionist hasn't thought about the issue at all. They just blindly accept what their priests tell them.
Thanks for admitting you’re pro abortion
Well said. Like a priest has a clue
Same as an abortionist believes what establishment and multi billion dollar corporates tell them to believe.. both are slaves .. that's the beauty of West, everyone is a slave there, either of establishment or organised religions. 😂
For some reason, they think that if you give the same old BS often enough, then for some strange reason we have to give in?
And you blindly accept what's trending in the cultural norms.
I think people like this caller need to talk to people like Matt & Jimmy instead of living in a god bubble.
I'm in favor of signing up Pro-Gestation zealots for living organ donor status, I'd add adoption papers in there as well, but they'd make horrible parents and no child deserves that.
LOL @ pro-gestation zealots.
I call them fetus-fetishists and zygote-zealots myself.
You already force men to pay for children they don’t want.
@@Dennis-nc3vw You have me confused with a conservative.
Notice how all these forced birth people always talk about "adoption is love, abortion is murder" but yet you don't see them offering to adopt all the babies which would otherwise be aborted? Instead you usually get, "Not my problem, she shoulda kept her legs together."
@@BaronVonQuiply We all know you would if the only option was leaving the child to die, so that's irrelevant.
Well Jacob, I'm waiting for my kidney. Chop chop! Times a wastin'...
Did it happen?
😃
If you were the reason I needed a kidney, and you didn’t give it to me, and I died as a result, you would be charged with murder.
@@Dennis-nc3vw Hey, Dennis. Still triggered, eh? Did someone point out to you that you value a single cell more than an actual person and you lost it again?
@@Dennis-nc3vwNo lol you really don't get it lol.
@@BaronVonQuiply Matt has made it clear he doesn't care whether the fetus is a human being or a clump of cells. Besides, your party unanimously voted to protect abortion until the moment of birth. Pretty sure a 7 month old baby (or "fetus") has more than one cell.
Speaking as a former "pro-lifer" with a heavily restricted & sheltered background, I'm not that surprised at this caller's reasoning (if he was for real). When I was 18, I thought just like that. I was raised in a Fundamentalist Baptist cult with my father being the leader. We were never taught to think critically, and if we ever questioned, we were berated, chastised, and/or punished. You grow up to basically just do as you're told or suffer the consequences. Our K-12 education was all done with the ABeka Book curriculum, which was a heavy reinforcement of those beliefs. I was forced to go to Pensacola Christian College, where they again reinforced everything I had been taught in my life. There were no critical thinking classes, and student participation and discussions in class were very limited to the school's beliefs. When I graduated, I moved out on my own and never went back home. Discovering how the world truly worked was an eye-opener. I felt cheated by my family and ABEKA book for not being truthful and not preparing me for the real world. I was angry for years, but I've since been able to heal in some sort of way and become my own person. I'm proud to say that I am now an agnostic atheist, a progressive, pro-choice and pro-human rights, and I feel blessed to be able to say that. Never in a million years would I have expected my life to turn out this way, but I'm glad it has. It breaks my heart to hear people with this mindset, but I understand where theyre coming from because I was like that at one time. When you're raised in such an insanely conservative religious household, being forced to be heavily involved in church all weekends, every weekend, and Wednesday nights, and then indoctrinated with a Christian worldview curriculum as your "K-12 education" such as ABeka Book, is it any wonder there are still people like us out there? I was never taught about Roe v. Wade and what it actually was other than "it made abortion legal." Everything I was taught about evolution was a total lie and very misleading. Our access to technology was limited, no TV, no cellphones till college, and what we did have, our parents and school constantly monitored. PCC blocked so many websites that it impeded our ability to do our assignments. I was 26 when I finally understood scientific basics and what evolution actually was, as well as other important topics such as bodily autonomy. It's sad, but there are definitely late bloomers like us out there. Hope this helps!
Bro bodily autonomy is just a flimsy argument smh.
Good writing, needs a paragraph or two.
@@Theloneyat Ok. You convinced me that you should not have bodily autonomy.
Pro-choicers never think critically or they'd wondered where "the right to your body" comes from. It comes from religious morality. It can't come from anywhere else because logically if there is no God you should either property of your parents (who made your body), or the concept of "rights" should be thrown out the window entirely.
@@Dennis-nc3vw You're a psychopath, please see a psychiatrist for a formal diagnosis and a therapist to gain some control over your disdain for humanity
This is pathetic and honestly terrifying. The lack of thought on this issue on display by the caller is staggering, and the fact that they can and presumably have voted based on this clear lack of thought is horrifying.
I have never met an atheist whom I liked. Probably because I despise pdfilia and I believe it's evil, from satan.
These anti-abortion activists are religious nut jobs that believe in magical beings and they praised these magical beings that support slavery as being moral. You can't be a Christian unless you're okay with slavery and if you're okay with slavery you have no morals. These anti-abortion activists have no morals
The problem with people like this caller is that they have never considered the possible arguments against their position. If you haven't considered the other side then your position isn't really justified, whether it's the correct position or not.
Theists be like "Homophobia and misogyny are justified because a Bronze Age book says so!" and they truly think that's reasonable. If the clergy didn't hold so much power, the religion woulda petered out by the 1800s.
Iron Age book. The Bronze Age ended around 1200 BC.
@@reefhogtechnically medieval**. The first compiled copies weren’t written until the mid 14th century.
Ooof spreading some historical myths about Christianity .
Clergy hold no more power than the people give them. People want to be led and relieved of personal responsibility
What's wrong being a homophobic if morality is subjective?😊
No one is entitled to use anyone else's body without their consent. Period, end of story.
Unless not allowing someone to use your body means being killed and the reason the person is there is because of your voluntary choice that you could’ve avoided but chose not to
@@aepneuma
No, not even then. There is _never_ an entitlement like that. Otherwise you are arguing that someone else's rights can override your own rights.
@@aepneuma gimme your kidneys. Since I need them more than you. You voluntarily posted this fascist take that made my kidney fail, which means you owe me your kidney.
@@aepneuma you understand that just "not being willing" disqualifies you from organ donation? So.. you're literally incorrect. 🙄
@@amandasunshine2 you don’t know what fascism is.
It's always a mild inconvenience to the pro-life dad...
Caller clearly doesn't have children if he thinks of them as a mild inconvenience
@@chuckybangmen with children believe this nonsense too
Child support typically cost 10x as much as a surrogate mother charges for her suffering.
@@Dennis-nc3vwthen sign your parental rights away. You have no obligations in that scenario so don't pretend otherwise freak.
Rights and consent are the two concepts one must avoid understanding to maintain an anti-abortion position.
Pro abortion people also don't understand these when it comes to reproductive rights for men either. I very rarely see people who are pro abortion fighting for the reproductive rights of men to be brought up to those that women already have.
@@jordy4761 Yes. The government DOES encroach upon a man's bodily autonomy regarding reproduction by means of...um...uh...wait, no. It doesn't. If you mean the government doesn't allow men to dictate to a woman what she's going to do with her body, I guess you'll just have to pout real hard about that.
Its not pro-life, its pro-control
Telling women not to get pregnanct in the first place so they won’t need an abortion is not pro control lol
@aepneuma are you pro-death penalty? Are you pro-war?
@aepneuma it takes 2 to make a baby, unless you're a virgin and don't understand that basic fact.
@aepneuma when you get in a car, you are consenting to drive, but you're not consenting to an accident. And if you are in an accident, and hurt, the government nor religion should not be governing your choice for health care there after.
@@aepneumanot every woman has a choice in getting pregnant. Not every pregnancy can be carried to term without risking death or permanent disfigurement and disability. Not every pregnancy should be carried to term based on several factors, including the host not being willing to do so. Being stupid is a choice. You should choose differently
Should your son be legally allowed to take your kidney?
Maybe...
When someone is backed into a corner where they have to take a ridiculous position, they've lost the argument.
Then Matt asked Jacob if he had the right to take Jacob's kidney, and Jacob said: "Yeah." Before the clarification, I felt my jaw drop because it sounded as though Jacob were saying that Matt had more of a "right" to their kidney than would even their own son. Of course, even with my initial misunderstanding, neither Matt nor Jacob's son would have any right to force Jacob to give up their kidney. The clarification didn't change the correctness of that position. Regardless, it is of necessity a matter of consent on the part of the prospective donor. Similarly, the decision to carry a fœtus to term is of necessity a matter of consent on the part of a woman. (Indeed, for the woman, it is of necessity a matter of consent in at least two respects: 1. The initial intercourse. 2. Any resultant pregnancy.) Clearly, consent is a concept of which Jacob is willfully unaware. On the other hand, if they are aware of it, they choose to completely disregard it. In either case, Jacob loses all respect.
I love the statements at the end regarding donating one person’s living body to save multiple other persons from dying. One could donate their heart, lungs, kidneys, and liver to save five persons from dying. Does that make it just to compel persons to do this, and by what subjective criteria would victims be chosen?
It's an excellent point, also because I started thinking "well, but you would try to save also the donor's life, right?", but no, because once the donor is dead, he can save one more person with the liver, one with the second kidney, probably one more with the last lung, one with the heart and I'm not a doctor so I don't know how many more. This monstruous utilitaristic idea would save millions of lives at the cost of a few thousand forced sacifices XD
What's crazy is they also want more rights for a baby than a dead person. If someone isn't an organ donor, you are not allowed to use their organs to save lives. Crazy stuff.
@@justohird5685
Was that meant to be a coherent argument, at any point?
@@justohird5685 Huh?
@@justohird5685 Atheist religion has pagan religious beliefs, false prophets, apostacy laws and blasphemy laws, exactly like islame has.
For example, use the wrong pronoun to a pdf file atheist, and punishment is the same as when showing funny cartoons of muhammad to muslims, death.
Jacob was reading from a script. That's likely why the long pauses, he had to look up his responses. He hoped he had a real "gotcha!" moment.
This sounds like a kid rolling out Christian arguments for the first time. And for the first time, getting logical retorts outside his bubble
My man doesn’t understand what a baby or fetus is….
After listening to this caller, I have one more reason to believe in abortion.
Then explain what is an abortion?
Yes!
@@Nickelini pathetic
@@Theloneyatyou could easily use Google to educate yourself instead of looking ignorant willfully online
@@Theloneyat Google it. It's probably exactly what you think it is. Or maybe you're stupid.
Jacob's long pauses are driving me crazy his little brain is constantly resetting.
*their
Agreed. So god damn annoying. That's ones brain on religion.
He needs to be unplugged and plugged back in.
@@donnaprather1066- no, that is wrong!
They are non-binary, so they can use Ctrl+Al+Del 😂
@@brightharbor_*Comma
Sounds like the caller didn't study his script well enough before calling in.
The fetus could be a person, super human, solving calculus or curing cancer. It doesn’t matter. It can’t use my body without my consent.
If you grant they're a person, then you grant them the right to not be killed without due process. The right to kill the fetus via induced abortion does not follow.
@@ProRege-1 maybe re-read my comment.
@@Godless_Doc ok, I did. Now how does your right for a fetus to not use your body equal the right to kill them or the right to violate their subtance?
@@ProRege-1 obviously you didn’t.
@@Godless_DocIt seems you're not willing to follow the argument. Good day.
30 seconds in, dude's script is in flames. 😂🔥😂
As entertaining as this no doubt will be, I'd much prefer to hear "Welcome to the show, Jacob. The world doesn't currently need to hear men's voices on this topic. Have a nice day."
Men's voices are indeed needed on this topic, just as they're needed on every topic. Likewise, women's voices are needed on every topic. The idea of someone's voice being invalid or unnecessary based solely on their chromosomes is a very slippery slope to start down. We won't be able to have honest and educational discussions between the sexes on such important topics if an entire side is consistently told their thoughts can be automatically dismissed.
@@EgalitarianWoman yeah. Very good points. I took a very complex situation and reduced it down to something ultra basic to make a point.
True, all voices are equally important. But we can't deny that the most powerful voices on this topic currently belong to old white guys. And that's a problem that won't get fixed by platforming more men and reinforcing their privileged perspective that their understanding of women's health is just as valid as women's.
I, as a man, will never, ever understand what it means to bear a child. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever! But the world tells me that I'm a white guy, so my opinion on anything is pretty important. Telling men, "First show me you can listen, THEN we will have an appetite to hear you speak" is a message we NEED to hear. It's better for everyone, compared to feeding into the idea that every opinion is equally valid.
We do need to hear their opinions, since they can fucking vote on whether the rest of us have a basic human right. They should get to tell their opinions so we can destroy them. What you said is funny and I do feel like that sometimes, but I don't agree
@@EgalitarianWoman *Gender, not chromosomes, XX/XY doesn't equal gender
@@lulolie I know that. I'm talking about the issues predominantly between cis people. That's why I said sexes, not genders.
Recently Florida Women was forced to carry a non-viable fetus to term and deliver.
The defect was within hours of birth death would occur. A side effect of ‘whatever it was called’ is low amnionic fluid which makes carrying more painful.
This couple also has a 5-7 year old child who was confused that Mommy was pregnant but she wasn’t getting a sibling.
I do t know what they kept from her or what they shared but they didn’t go out of state for an abortion that her doctors denied her because she was fearful for her family’s safety.
We fixed this problem once before McDonald Dump came along and we have to fight to fix it again.
I love how the caller keeps scrambling to find the next page on his choose-your-own-adventure apologetics script
What if your son's kidney is in jeopardy because he went out on a bender, a real bender. Now because of his choices you as the father are legally obligated to give him your kidney. Then, he does it again should you other son be obligated to give his kidney to the "risky" son to save his life? Then he does it again and your daughter needs to do the same. Well, life is valuable. I think the dude hasn't thought this through.
They'll say the son has to face the consequences of his actions and the pregnant person has to face the consequences of their actions. Even though they're clearly separate issues.
@@JamesMorgan-ne8quI think having an abortion IS facing the consequences of her actions. Having an abortion is not something you will forget.
@@justohird5685
Yes.
@@JamesMorgan-ne8qusoooo the son has to deal with his fathers issues? Huh? Yea he's getting a messed up kidney
@@justohird5685yea these same big brains will then claim those that DONT get abortions but pretend nothings wrong & give birth in the toilet letting the baby drown is no different than abortion
That's HOW SICK. N DISGUSTING XTIANS ARE!!! 🤡🤮🤮🤮
Pregnancy is a mild inconvenience?
That is such an ignorant male thing thing to say.
How is having another person living and growing inside of you, painfully giving birth, which has many possible medical problems and then spend the rest of their life raising and looking after that child, a mild inconvenience? If that's a mild inconvenience I'd hate to know what a large inconvenience is.
many women enjoy being pregnant .
@jimmymags6516 Many men like having something shoved in their urethra. Still generally uncomfortable...
It's mild compared to child support (the average surrogate mother charges about 1/10th of what the average man pays in child support), yet a man's not allowed to pull a John Andrew Weldon to save himself from that burden.
@@Dennis-nc3vw Because the two scenarios are completely unrelated, genius.
Oops, that's me projecting, now.
@Dennis-nc3vw so paying for your kid is more inconvenient than being pregnant and giving birth and still having to look after that child? Sure, totally the same thing.
You make the kid you pay for the kid.
Even if a woman is on her way to the hospital and doesn't want the baby it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS
That's fair if you want to be a pussy , but don't expect the rest of us to be heartless .
You should want to help children that are being killed
@@baghdadcamper no children are being killed
@@inrainbows1829 yes i agree babies are being murdered
🤢A man was recently charged with a crime for abandoning his child after his wife gave birth in the woods. Why was it the law's business if he left the child to dehydrate or freeze to death?
Jimmy and Matt absolutely destroyed every terrible anti-choice argument this guy brought lol He really came unprepared. This is a great video to watch if you regularly engage with anti-choice friends and family.
One thing, though, with which I have to disagree with Matt is when he said, "Rights are granted by a government." That's not true.
Rights are supposed to be PROTECTED by a government. If a government didn't exist in a place, those people would still have inherent, natural rights. Saying rights are granted by a government means that in places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, North Korea, those people don't have rights that you and I have. They do have them. Rights like bodily autonomy. They naturally have them. It's just that their fascist governments deny them those rights.
And it's not just in those places. The same could be said here in America. Women have bodily autonomy, same as anyone else. By saying government grants those rights, that means they can also take them away, and therefore a woman wouldn't have a natural right to an abortion, which we know she does for the logical reasons Matt and Jimmy laid out.
Excellent argument. Thank you
How can you argue you have a natural right to your own body but not your mother's womb? It's impossible. If one was given by nature, both are.
@@Dennis-nc3vw it's not impossible. What you said makes no sense.
Give an anti- "whatever" theist enough room and they will debate and debunk themselves... or, at the very least, make fools of themselves
This was so painfully boiler plate, I can feel the hosts facepalming with their entire psyche.
Wait though. If you are a Christian, everybody is related through Noah and his family. Therefore, I have the right to demand you give me a kidney.
Strawman. He's talking about parents and children specifically because that parent "chose" to bring that child into the world and thus bears responsibility for their well-being. He's not talking about any blood relations regardless of how distant the relationship is.
@@wunnellConsidering a lot of the prime "holy" texts state we are all cast as sinners due to some guy doing something wrong thousands of years ago (Adam and Eve,) I'd argue that the OPs comment should reign true in such a ridiculous system.
Luckily for the guy calling in, I don't want any part of a body that composes someone so inept.
@@wunnell I was being facetious. He was talking special pleading; stating family members should have rights regarding their health nobody else has. That I have a right to my parents organs should I need them. Or my kids have a right to mine.
@@jiubboatman9352, I didn't think you were being literal but you're still strawmanning the caller. While I don't necessarily support the specifics of what the caller was saying, suggesting that the relationship between a parent and a child is different to other relationships - even other familial relationships - should not be controversial.
@@wunnell It's the compulsion that is the issue. You are my dad, therefore you owe me a kidney.
Reasonably, it can apply to grandparents and higher as well, therefore the Noah comment. If you belive that crap.
i now understand why Matt gets so frustrated with these callers and shouts at them ( justified in my opinion ) its like Jacob is talking to himself and doesn't hear Matt or doesn't want to
Mild inconvenience? What the hell would Jacob know about being pregnant? What would anyone with working male genitalia know about the convenience of pregnancy.
And if course it's not just about pregnancy. That's only the beginning of a lifelong duty of care, which can of course be deeply enriching for someone able to step into that role, but can also result in traumatic outcome for the child despite best intentions.
It's anything but a "mild inconvenience" and it's either profoundly dishonest or profoundly stupid to portray it as if it were.
Well, there's plenty of men who have to LIVE with pregnant women...
They were either a troll or this was their first time talking to someone outside of their indoctrination bubble.
Starting about the 12 minute mark ...
Yes! Thank you Jimmy for refuting the person-hood argument. I think atheist show hosts focus too much on bodily autonomy, and don't challenge forced-birthers when they say things like "all life is valuable", like Jacob - NJ did.
Make them prove there is no difference between a fetus and a one-week-old child, because of course they can't.
yes, to these pro-lifers or 'forced birthers' (good one) may claim that 'all life is sacred' except if that life disagrees with their ideology of murdering doctors, nurses or anyone who is pro-choice then to them it's alright to murder. pro-life hypocrisy is Astounding they define 'bad' murder as abortion but murdering doctors and clinic staff is 'good' murder.
They're both essentially human. They're the same along the most essential and morally relevant lines. Embryology establishes that from conception. They have all the same natural abilities, however unrealized yet.
But even if the fetus were not a person, the right to kill them via induced abortion does not follow. There are a number of non-human animals that we protect though they're not regarded as persons. So the human fetus, who is somehow not worthy of personhood, would be the most protection worthy non- human entity in existence.
The most monumental points of development take place in the first 3 weeks of gestation, so if that doesn't qualify them for personhood then nothing will in your eyes. You're prejudiced against the unborn.
Repent and turn to Christ. There's room at the cross for you too.
@@ProRege-1You managed to fit an impressive amount of conjecture, pseudo-science (most monumental development in first 3 weeks? Are you serious?) and opinion in just a couple paragraphs.
Instead of refuting them, I'll just ask you this: if you're right, then why hasn't the overwhelming medical and scientific community come to the same conclusion?
You do realize (actually you probably don't) almost no medical orgs., in the developed world anyway, do not recognize personhood?
BTW - You don't really think preaching to me is going to get you anywhere, do you? And in fact it exposes your true reason for believing in personhood.
@@ProRege-1 Everything you wrote is either conjecture, pseudo-science or opinion.
Here's proof ...
The overwhelming medical and scientific orgs. (certainly in the developed world) disagree with you.
You can literally hear his brain not working when questioned
I love when they claim a fetus is a person. If that were true, could everyone who had ever worked while pregnant sue their past employers for back wages? Could everyone sue their parents former employers if their parents worked while pregnant? I may have not been on the staff roster but I showed up exactly as much as my mother did. Where’s my check?
This is an conclusion of the ‘legal personhood begins at conception’ that these dopes don’t seem to grasp.
There is a category error in your remark, respectfully.
Certain rights are granted on the basis of our humanity, like the right to life. Others are granted on the basis of competance and maturity, like the right to work and earn a wage or drive a car.
I'm sure you yourself believe this, which is why I doubt you believe taking a born infant to work earns the infant a pay check, or being a born person obligates the state to allow an infant a driver's license.
Something i always struggle with is the fact that many of these callers have watched the show before, perhaps even listened to other callers with similar arguments to their own utterly fail to make reasonable points or refute the counter-arguments of the hosts. A reasonable person would then let those experiences soak in and perhaps question the validity of their own argument. Instead, we see them call in and fail just as poorly or even worse than those that have come before, undoubtedly leaving oblivious to the arguments made and probably feeling like if the big, bad hosts didnt talk over them they could have won the day.
I don't think it's nearly as many as you think. I'm assuming, but I think a vast majority of the callers just stumble across the show one day and decide to go thrash the dumb atheists with the foolproof argument they have. They think they're getting in the water to skewer a fish, and when they realize it's a shark, it's too late.
I almost feel bad for Jacob.
I don't, but almost.
If the "thoughts" expressed by that Theocratic whippersnapper, Jacob, are in any way representative of those of their generation, I genuinely do feel sorry for those of us who happen to be older and for that generation's future children. (I was born during the late '70's.)
Bet you a dollar he's home-schooled
By parents with the same level of education as him.
I'm gonna say it, home schooling is 100% religion indoctrination that's what home schooling is all about.
If at all.
And…
Plenty of public school victims are just as stupid
I suspect Jacob has never before considered the arguments against their position.
You can't claim an unborn fetus on your taxes.
Yeah because we don’t know if it’s going to be killed get and would be a nightmare for paperwork. Doesn’t answer the question
@@aepneuma that's not even remotely why, but thanks for being disingenuous. 👍
@@amandasunshine2 Your argument was used to discriminate against blacks, native Americans,Jews, and every other persecuted minority in history. Humans don’t had a good track record of narrowing down who is human. We’re better off being inclusive and expanding that umbrella
@@aepneuma you argument is used to control women. Today. And all it does is harm women and children. Because you don't care about them or their health, you only care about controlling them.
@@aepneuma honestly, the fact you don't realize that _I was making your argument back at you_ and I wasn't seriously making that argument, I was just.. showing you how ridiculous it is, and you immediately caught _that_ but not that it's literally just your own ridiculous argument turned back on you is just.. chef's kiss 🤌
Jerking off is genocide and an omelette is a chicken massacre apperentally
I wonder how this person was able to dial the phone number correctly.
This poor person got blown out of the water, and acted like it the entire time. It's genuinely horrible to think about how people who think like this vote.
Theists cant defeat the bodily autominy argument.
Well it's already debunked. Let's discuss state your argument.
Well, it seems you have no argument. I waited for 2 weeks. Zero valid arguments and fallacious claims you only hold. Sad.
@@Theloneyat I didn't see your comment. And bodily autominy argument hasn't been debunked. Lol. The fact is, no person has the right to use another person's body without their consent. To argue that a fetus ( wwhich isn't even a person but I can totally let that pass and call it a person ) gets a special right to do so....is the definition of special pleading. XD. To claim my statement is fallacious is, in fact, objectively wrong. Prepare to get wrecked.
@@Theloneyat I also want to point out that I have dozens of notifications a day. If I don't get to a comment, too bad.
Thank you for schooling the ignorant...and Jacob should be ashamed of himself for being 18 and being so ignorant...
No one should ever be ashamed of being ignorant. We're all ignorant of so much.
What's shameful is willful ignorance.
18 is a reasonable age to be ignorant considering over 90% of their lives have been controlled and influenced by others without their say so.
@@AlanFehrWillful ignorance is precisely what Jacob put on full display here.
Worst prepared caller ever.
I don't know how you guys do this. I've listened to a lot of these calls and I have yet to hear one single person be able to articulate their argument whatsoever.
Eh, caller is 18 so it’s very possible they are just not ready for this conversation.
Life _before_ it's been forced. Life _after_ it's been forced. Logically I would not ascribe the same value to both.
" I m 18" no wonder he's clueless
You can smell the circuits burning as they try to think....
This!
"It seems that so many people have been beaten into theistic puddles of broken confusion that religion has become a huge "easy bake oven" for them that turns out "food for thought" that has been burnt and distorted into unrecognizable drool."
Pro choice is pro quality of life.
Anti choice is pro breeding with no regard for the conditions of lives actually lived.
Wrong, the pro choice position is actually calling out for ending the human lives. How is it quality of life when it's ending a human life and taking away the first & the fundamental right of human which is the Right to Life.
This was agonizing call when I watched it during show, and it is agonizing still. The "speed" of this caller answering questions is astonishing.
Another fine example of "Why do I always get a headache when I'm confronted with reason?"
It's immoral to take ANY life but it's even more immoral to force someone to sustain someone else's life. Due to the limitations of humans, pragmatism puts bodily autonomy above morality.
Body autonomy is a moral position, the issue is about competing moral positions.
It depends on the situation. It isn’t necessarily immoral to take a life.
I agree with reefhog, it’s not immoral to take “ANY” life. Morality is subjective and your opinion. There are situations where it is moral. Are you saying if you are suffering with no respite, you don’t have a right to take your life? What if your parent is suffering from a debilitating, incurable illness and is begging for death? Is giving them permanent relief immoral? You take lives everyday. Even if you are the most militant vegan. The act of washing kills microbes and arthropods. Broccoli and many other vegetables have gnats and other insects living outside and inside. You kill without knowing. Vegetables and fruits are alive. Where do you draw the line and what gives you the right to draw your line to that point. Identifying what is moral or immoral is a very complex idea.
An abortion isn't taking a life, it's simply stopping a pregnancy. If I buried a seed in my back yard the 3 days later change my mind and dig up the seed, I didn't chop a tree down. Stop using terms like "life", "baby" or "child" it's very dishonest to the facts.
So, apex predators are immoral?
Good LORD. This called brought a spork to a knife fight. He has no idea WHAT he believes.
A plastic/wooden spork.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would have loved to have known where Mr all-life-is-precious stands on capital punishment or sensible gun laws
Of course, if other Theocrats are any indication, Jacob is most likely "pro-life" only until the moment of delivery and then everyone who is not a Theocrat has the "responsibility" to be snuffed out in the name of the Lord. Consequently, Jacob would be at once very much for capital punishment and very much against gun reform.
The gap after Matt answers his first question with "depends" shows he hadn't thought about this at all.
The trouble with people like Jacob is that he's only been brought up by religion and the bible, which is not remotely related to reality.
The trolley problem is set up as an example of how deciding the life and death of others is itself an immoral conundrum. The second you switch the tracks, YOU are responsible.
every time Jacob calls i get multiple face palms
They've called before? How exhausting.
It was almost like he was attempting a discussion utilizing the Socratic method. He failed miserably. His script did not prepare him for diverse opinions.
I love these clips y'all 🙏🏾
If you can’t even tell me what rights are and you think pregnancy and an abortion are “minor inconveniences”, you don’t deserve to be telling women what they should be doing with their bodies.
We're telling women to be more responsible with their body . And if they were , they wouldn't have to end the life of another body .
It is compared to life itself. Or what men have to go through when our wife or girlfriend is having a baby we didn't want. If we're married, we either have to raise the baby or abandon our family. If we're not married, we have to pay child support that costs on average 10X the price of what a surrogate mother charges for her suffering.
Jacob is not educated well enough to argue on the topic!
That was so painful to listen to
The bible is adamant about a soul entering a body at first breath. Bible logic is a vessel doesn't house anything until it's already breathing. If we don't let that vessel receive a soul, it doesn't matter at what point we do it. The soul will just go to the next available vessel.
Souls isn’t even a thing. Lol there’s no such thing as a soul.
Someone should make a compilation of all the anti abortion calls, would be fun to watch.
I admire google at least a little bit for linking information when topics like abortion or flat earth or Covid 19 are linked under the vids that pertain to them.
It is also location specific. I’m in the UK and for this video I get information from the NHS (UK health service) about abortion.
As much as I love Matt and Jimmy, this clip is unwatchable. You really can't argue with stupid, nor should you try...
Life is valuable as he gorges down a burger in his car with leather seats.
A vegan who opposes all medical care and human rights is the only consistent anti-abortion proponent.
Lol what? WTF does that have to do with the conversation? Abortion rights and Veganism are not the same.
@@Imperial-Socialist he said life is valuable. He didn't qualify the statement. Let's put it to the test.
@@drg8687 That's still a batshit comparison. Vegans still murder.
@joeedwards4037 they're pretty similar. It's about the question: do animals have rights to use another animals body? Animals and non-human animals alike.
Ouch. This Jacob kid is in WAY over their head!
Life is not inherently precious or valuable. Life is the most abundant thing on the plant. Individual lives are, hopefully, precious to those around the person and to the person itself.
We are alive because of bacteria in our guts. I’d say bacteria are as valuable as we are because we need them to be alive. I know to the theists we are so much more than bacteria, when we are alive because of bacteria!
Chicken tastes real good.
@@wabbajack2- yes, and the proof of that is that Vegans are still attempting to manufacture products that taste just like chicken.
Which in itself is pretty obtuse 😂
@@UMBR. - yes, because Fungal Lives Matter!
Oxygen is the most abundant thing on the planet.
Why do people call in to talk about issues that they've given so little thought to?
Edit: Ah, he's 18. That explains it.
Matt did a great job of being patient and staying composed during this session. When he loses his marbles or shows frustration, then starts muting and shouting, it allows his opponent an excuse or justification that they might not deserve.
When someone's being intentionally dishonest, it's frustrating
Not 1 of my children complained about being aborted
There should be an age requirement to call in - poor Jacob sounds like he's about 12, with the grasp of life's issues that that implies.
Mentally or chronologically.
He did have to pause for quite a while to decide what age he was …😢
Ageism
I never gonna use antibiotics again. Because life is valuable.😊
This was cruel- Jacob didn't stand a chance...even though he was given many during the call.
They never should aborted this call, it never had a chance to gestate into a coherent conversation.
Mild inconvenience…. This kid sounds like he’s 16.
A hungry lion does not value human life
QED
It values it as protein 😂
Jacob: "life is valuable" (except for the lives of women who's bodies are legally allowed to be used without their consent by a clump of cells)
I am guessing this guy thought this was going to be like Twitter. Throw a cliche at someone and think you have won when they don't bother answering.
Given how long it took him to answer the question "How old are you?" it's no wonder it took him a long time to answer the deeper questions.
This is pretty typical for the “pro life” crowd.
That's what I don't get about Christians. They assign "personhood" to something that doesn't have a "person/ality" and then they say God is infinite but also as a person who has a distinct singular personality. 😅
Just another example of why religion, like drugs and things that can mess up your mind, should be illegal to consume until age 21.
Karl Marx would be proud of your comment.
@@ProRege-1 Ah Marx wanted to unite workers for a share of the industrial power framework in all societies.
@@joeanon5788 yes, and take your private property (i.e. stealing).
@@ProRege-1 huh?????
These people vote. FFS Get out, VOTE and let's try to stop stupid!
Ladies and gentlemen, the average American voter.
Jimmy wants to take the high ground, but he sneaks into Matt's house to switch out his cereals, and keeps Valkai locked in his basement
OMG! the long pauses!!
This one remembered me of Planes, Trains and Automobiles: "Here is an Idea: Have a point... it makes it so much more interresting for the listener"