RetroTINK 5X - NES with composite video. AND SCANLINES!!! OMFGGGGG!!!!!!
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- I spend so much time showing consoles running RGB video, with the recent release of the RetroTINK 5X-Pro, I thought what better time to give composite video some love! The 5X-Pro is a high quality scaler which can make almost any signal shine.
In this video, you're seeing the simplest of setups, an original toaster style NES running composite video (Yellow video cable). This video is representative of what the average user can expect to get out of the 5X-Pro if they just want to use their consoles with the most basic of connections. Of course, if you go S-Video or RGB cables, your video quality will be out of this world. But, composite video on the 5X-Pro is no slouch either. It's pretty amazing that you can get this type of picture quality out of nothing more than a basic composite video cable.
There's a ton of videos actually reviewing the 5X-Pro, so I didn't feel the need to add another. I figured people might be more interested in just seeing raw footage of what they can expect their games to look like.
The 5X-Pro is truly in a class of its own and I'd highly recommend anyone interested pick one up when they become available again!
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I think people are missing the point of this video, which is how good composite (ie the video most of us in the 8, 16, and 32 bit gens used) video can look when using the RT 5X. Usually just plugging in direct to an HDTV looks like absolute azz with composite. This is absolutely respectable! Amazing.
Yeahhhh, I thought I made it pretty clear what the intention was. It seems lost on some. 😂
It better be at that price!
Kinda crazy how much scanlines improve the composite picture quality.
This is honestly the way to go for playing an unmodified nes on an hdtv.
It sure looks pretty good in person. I'd say it's pretty comparable if you were to just plug your NES into an average color TV back in the 80s!
Kinda crazy how good the polyphase scan lines looks through compressed video and Composite.
The scanlines certainly help hide composite shortcomings. And even though it doesn't look phenomenal, it looks pretty dang amazing for just being a plain, unmodded console signal.
This would be quite like I would remember it. I’m completely shocked that this is Composite. I’ll be receiving my RT5X tomorrow. I ordered off eBay. I only payed $23 more than the current price shipped and it’s new. I can’t wait!!!
Great deal considering it was Ebay. Remember to update the firmware when you get it. The latest one just added a ton of fancy scanline options!
@@TooBokoo I figured if they didn’t take my offer I’d try on the official site at the end of the month. So to others out there looking on eBay, just submit your max best offer and you never know. I can also convert some VHS tapes I have as well.
And yeah, I will definitely update before using it.
Composite kids will never understand the struggle how the RF generation suffered of low quality signal when playing a game.
When I first got my NES, I had it hooked up to a black-and-white TV. That was like Little House on the Prairie days. LOL
This are actually impressive results, seeing this is the ass composite video out!
Precisely. Garbage in, garbage out. But the 5X does a pretty respectable job making the garbage stink less.
@@TooBokoo Exactly haha! I got my RetroTink order in yesterday, was not planning on it..but hey..at least now It's an option to shuffle my retro gear around and try it out for myself :D
Please do more composite videos with SNES., as well as s-video for Sega Genesis and Saturn
I'll have some more up soon
I don't know if my mind is playing tricks on me but when scanlines are used the signal looks sharper. To me at least.
You're right. Visuals back then were clearly designed around knowing there were scanlines. Whenever I use my regular NES into the 5X without scanlines, it always looks pretty gross, but add scanlines and it hides the nasty and looks pretty damn close to a CRT, in person.
This is fantastic! However, an option to mimic the overscan of an old CRT to remove the bar on the left side of the screen would make it perfect, I think
Yeah, the ability to mask over that bar was added into a new firmware update. It's a nice total package scaler now. Tons of options got added after I posted this video.
@@TooBokoo Awesome! I'm sold
@@gamersinacontainer If you do a lot of retro gaming, I think you'd be extremely happy with one. Just make sure you've updated to the latest firmware if you buy one. The amount of features that has been added to this is absolutely insane.
@@TooBokoo Thanks for the info!
How would you connect an original NES or Sega to a retrotink since they have RF connectors??
@@breal1183 The original NES toaster model has a composite video out on the side of it, along with a mono RCA out. The Sega Master System also uses a composite AV cable through the proprietary AV jack on the rear.
The top loader NES dropped the composite, though, and only has RF. You'd need a converter if you have a top loader. Or you'd have to mod it.
Just to make sure I understand correctly, is this a stock NES console with just two cables plugged into the retroTINK 5x (i.e. the yellow video cable, and one red audio cable)? Was this NES modded in any way to work with the retroTINK5x? Thanks so much for the great video.
Stock system. Yellow, red and white.
@@TooBokoo The stock NES console only has a yellow video port and one audio port. So if you have a yellow (video) and red (audio) plugged into the NES console, what gets plugged into the retrotinkx (would it just be 2 cables, the yellow and red)? Thank you again for the information.
@dan993 Sorry. I was half asleep when I replied and was thinking of Super Nintendo. LOL, just yellow and red is correct for this. I also use an audio splitter, so the red port splits to two audio cables from the NES to go to the RetroTink5x. Still mono audio, tho.
@@TooBokoo Do you have to use an audio splitter for the NES to be compatible with the Retrotink? Thanks again for the info on setting this up.
Castlevania 3’s audio sounded a bit off. What happened?
I hadn't honestly noticed. However, I was using a rom hack to fix the controls and add the uncensored material back in. Maybe they did something to the audio, too.
@@TooBokoo That ROM hack applies to the Japanese version of the game, which uses a cartridge with extra audio hardware inside it, and does not mess with the audio. The censored US version does not use extra audio hardware. Your NES should be modified to hear expansion audio from your flashcart, otherwise you're only hearing about 1/3 of Castlevania 3's music.
@@NerdlyPleasures Well, I'm using a new N8 Pro. Honestly, I haven't played Castlevania III enough to notice when the audio is different or not, so I wasn't sure what may or may not have been going on.
Wow
@@TooBokoo I was going to come here to comment on it, but you already been told, yes, it's using the expansion audio of the Famicom ROM on your N8 which results in missing audio when played on an unmodded NES.
Thanks for this video, it’s very useful. Have you tried the optimized NES sampling mode with composite? I was unsure if it was a feature that would benefit composite signals at all or if it’s better left to cleaner signals.
Well, technically, the Tink 5x optimal modes only has a Super Nintendo 256 mode for Nintendo consoles. So that's likely not tweaked quite perfectly for NES even though it uses the same 256x224 for most games. However, using this optimal mode with the NES in composite does seem to make the pixels just a hair sharper. I'm talking like 1% sharper. You can notice a very tiny difference. From what I've tested on mine, S-Video and RGB/component signals benefit the most from the optimal timing modes.
@@TooBokoo Thanks for the answer, somewhat embarrassed that I didn't realize it didn't actually have an NES mode!
@@Sakurina Yeah, most NES games use that resolution but it's technically an SNES mode on the Tink. But it does still make a tiny difference when you use it. Unfortunately, I can't test RGB because all I have is stock NES consoles and then I have a top loader model with an HDMI kit installed.
Wow
Hey mate, could you help me out please? I connected the Retrotink 5x pro correctly with the AV adaptor to a PAL PS2 + 4K HDMI TV. I switch to 1080p resolution on the device with RR Type 4 running on the PS2 and looking like complete trash. Like no improvement AT ALL. What could be the issue? Could component cables be the solution? Idk cause I believe something's wrong. Do you have an idea? :(
You're using composite cables? Just the yellow video cable?
@@TooBokoo Hey :)
Yes, composite (yellow, red and white). I mean it looks like utter trash. I compared it with a simple 10 Euro HDTV adapter, and the picture quality is WITHOUT A DOUBT the same. If I shuffle the resolution modes, the device tells me in one mode "1080p50 (OVER)". What's the difference to "UNDER" and what is it for anyway? Sometimes it says somewhere on the screen "SDTV" although I'm using a 65inch 4K TV. So, what might be going on here?
@@TooBokoo Is the AV adapter possibly damaged? Because it looks that way. But then again I tried a different one and then the quality looked the fucking same.
@@TooBokoo This is what the device says, when I turn it on: "Input: SCART RGB SDTV/CP 50Hz".
If you're using yellow, red, white into the Tink, you'll want the Tink on input "composite" which you should see when scrolling through the input options on the Tink. And you should be able to use any of the 1080p modes. Each one fills the screen to different amounts.
With that said, composite/yellow video cable is the most basic hookup. You'll definitely want to step up to at least S-Video. That will make a nice difference. And if you want the best of the best, go to Scart RGB, which will give you incredible results. Something like this cable -
www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-av-accessories/PlayStation-2-3-RGB-SCART-CABLES/sony-playstation-2-rgb-scart-cable-lead-sync-on-luma
Let me guess you’re playing on a gaming monitor?
I use a 65" 4k LG.
Sweet so LG or Samsung is the way to go.
It looks great even with composite cables and UA-cam amazing thanks.
Any 4k TV will pair nicely as long as it's not a bargain basement Walmart TV. 👍
Which option is the best for RetroTink 5X: ProNESRGB or HDMI NES?
I'd say both are pretty close as far as picture quality. But, if you're a fan of scanlines, the Tink 5X with an NES RGB has far more options for that crowd. So I'd say if you care about using scanlines, NES RGB and Tink 5X is the way to go. But if you're ok with just basic scanlines, an NES HDMI is perfect.
Muddy pixels…
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Lol try RF.
These games don't look good at all try the HDMI
Perhaps you're confused. The point of the video was to show people the most basic video connection, composite video. Yes, you can get better quality if you use more advanced connections.
They actually look fantastic vs just plugging composite in to an HDTV directly.