The challenges in obtaining tags says it all. I use to buy Idaho elk archery tags in the summer only 6 years ago. Now they are gone in less than a day.
I can say this from personal experience. In my few short years of hunting, I have brought in at least four different people personally into the sport. I have exposed all of my children to hunting. Although my son is the only one that shows a general interest, all of my children respect and understand what hunting is and all consume game meat. My son still can’t wait for his first hunt. He’s six years old currently. Hunting is here to stay. Love what you guys are doing here. Keep up the great work.
Another thing to consider (in my lightly educated opinion) is how many tags the average hunter is going after a year now vs. the past. It’s not uncommon for me to seek out 5+ tags a year in several states. Most of our grandparents probably hunted what was available in their backyard and didn’t even think about hunting out of state and if they did it was very seldom. Small increase in hunters, but those hunters are hunting more than ever before.
I think this is more what it is. Ease of travel now is way better vs even 10-15 years ago. I grew up on the east coast. Used to be one guy would go west every 10ish years. Now I know a group of guys that go every year. There's no reason for them to go other than its their yearly vacation. The harvest limit where they hunt at home is like 15ish deer a year for all methods of take.
Very interesting! Thanks for giving us your opinion. I really like your content. I've been following you since the hunt with Pedro and since then I haven't stopped watching your films and listening to your podcasts.
What a great podcast! You and Brady are spot on and add context to Nicole's article that many, especially nonhunters, will not understand. This would be a great topic to get out to a bigger and broader audience, say in a Rogan podcast. Is there any chance you and Brady could podcast this topic with Joe?
Hunter decline? As a guy who spends around 75-100 days a year in the woods hunting public land im not seeing a loss of hunters. I hunted Colorado, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan last year. No shortage in any of those states in the parking areas. As far as banning hunting goes, I would never comply with that. Only death will stop me from hitting the trail. In January of 2010 I had a stroke from a vertebral artery dissection. In September of 2010 I did my first archery elk hunt. The thought never crossed my mind to back out, the thought crossed everyone's mind for me to back out. If death waits for me on a mountain then i hope he has good legs. Haven't missed a year since. You cannot make a hunter, either you have that inner fire or you do not. I wanted my kids to hunt with me but they just weren't born with that fire. I included them from childhood in hunting interests. Either you have it in your soul or you dont. I have lost jobs over hunting and cannot/do not want to live without it. God's speed to the guy they send to stop me from hitting the trail.
Great podcast! I agree with 90% of what you discussed, but I interpreted what Nicole was saying at the very end differently. I believe she was saying to bring non-hunters along when we work on habitat projects to help us find common ground. Without that, the risk is that non-hunters will continue to see hunting one dimensionally, as just killing animals. Showing them that we both care about improving habitat and seeing wildlife populations thrive, we may be able to connect in away that prevents them from becoming anti-hunters in the future. Most non-hunters don’t know anything about the work the hunting community does to protect habitat and help wildlife populations grow. Nicole is saying to emphasize and leverage that vs trying to convert them into hunters, in my opinion. By doing this, we all work together to solve the habitat issue. It may be a little idealistic, but I think it’s a sound approach and certainly won’t hurt anything more than what is currently happening.
Good Podcast Brady is always a great gest. I Think she is right on target with most of her story. Well guys technology is a double edge sword. People can scout from home Bows that shoot 100 yards rifles 1000 yards side by sides TV podcast, UA-cam ext. It used to be if you could do a week out west and gun deer at home and small game was great. Today's young hunters is how many states i can hunt Im bow hunter I always get a kick out how they always feel they have to justify their actions. Gods Blessings Guys looking forward to the next one 😊
I agree with the sharing the meat with many folks and to have a respect for the animals. I personally am ok with folks doing the trophy hunting like grizzly bear hunting in Alaska . Nevertheless, this type of hunting is more likely going to convince a non-hunter to become more of an anti hunter. Conversely, I think showing respectful hunting and meat harvesting and sharing is going to bring these folks that are on the fence to our side. I also think we should avoid putting trophy hunting videos and somewhat not so ethical hunting scenes online. Regarding public land, we have to stem the selling off of public lands. I think Randy Newberg has a good idea regarding requiring hunters and non-hunters to pay a small fee to access the public lands. We need something that will balance the strong selling forces. If we have no financial reason to keep the land (stop forestry etc.), public land will get sold sooner or later because it is free short term income for a state. I think of RMEF as a good investment.. especially when land and easements are bought to keep land permanently in public hands. I agree with you guys, the land and animals need to have value and the more people value these things, the better chance we'll be able to preserve them.
Maybe the non hunter applying for tags to prevent hunters from getting the tags is becoming more popular I’ve been around a few non hunters who claimed that they did that
Y’all REALLY should have brought in an R3 professional to discuss this topic. Sitting there and throwing opinions back and forth doesn’t get to the truth. Decline varies regionally. Some states are doing fine on the backs of non-resident hunters. Some states are withering with precipitous drops in hunters. The actual, real data doesn’t lie. You should have had someone talking that knew something about it.
R3 professional? Hahahaha. You mean R3 salesperson? Hunter numbers are at all time highs. The metrics and terminology is being manipulated to create fear and concern. Turns everyone into a recruiter. Gotta pump those numbers up those are rookie numbers. All about the money buddy
Of course decline varies regionally. Of course some states are withering with precipitous drops in hunter participation. And other states, namely western states, are hammered by hunter participation. You’re stating the obvious-water is wet. Exactly. what “truth” did we miss in this discussion?
And what does “off the backs of nonresidents mean?” Whether tags sell out from nonresidents or resident participation is irrelevant when we’re discussing hunter opportunity. When tags are in high demand and sellout in a few hours, do we really need more resident participation/recruitment?
@@GrittyGearAndPodcast show me the states that have a decline in license sales over a 10 year period and I'll show you an agency that is manufacturing data. I hunt all across the US. I haven't seen one state that is in any form of decline. The statement this gentleman is making is simply untrue.
@@GrittyGearAndPodcastThe facts (or at least context) that you missed had to do with at least a couple things. 1) The COVID bump. This article was written right in the middle of it. Many states are now back down to, and even below, pre-COVID levels. 2) The average age of hunters is creeping toward a cliff in most states. The hunter landscape in the second half of this decade will look much different than the first half. Nationally, we estimate a drastic drop starting in 2026. There are resources out there, straight from state permit data, that an R3 professional could have used to address a lot of the short-on-data statements that the author made. It was mostly conjecture.
Gritty. I appreciate your expanding out and trying different things. And i get youre doing it on your own on the fly, but you and brady are too small to really see, and the article is too small to read. Interesting conversation none the less. Thanks for the vid. Brady you rock too I am watching this on a mobile device so that may effect my viewing experience
You guys confuse the world shrinking and people having more resources/ info with Hunter numbers. People travel all over the place now. Lots of people hunting multiple states that didn’t happen 40 years ago. In my home state we had 800k deer hunters in 2000. Now it’s around 500k. BUT tons of people travel out of state. Our hunting in Michigan is getting Better not worse. People have just realized going out west or to a different state to hunt isn’t that un achievable
The challenges in obtaining tags says it all. I use to buy Idaho elk archery tags in the summer only 6 years ago. Now they are gone in less than a day.
Great points and very interesting topics. I like this episode. Keep up the good work and thanks for holding the space to have this conversation.
Very great podcast and insightful in what are hunting opportunities and features hold thanks again and as always stay gritty!!!
I can say this from personal experience. In my few short years of hunting, I have brought in at least four different people personally into the sport. I have exposed all of my children to hunting. Although my son is the only one that shows a general interest, all of my children respect and understand what hunting is and all consume game meat. My son still can’t wait for his first hunt. He’s six years old currently. Hunting is here to stay. Love what you guys are doing here. Keep up the great work.
Another thing to consider (in my lightly educated opinion) is how many tags the average hunter is going after a year now vs. the past. It’s not uncommon for me to seek out 5+ tags a year in several states. Most of our grandparents probably hunted what was available in their backyard and didn’t even think about hunting out of state and if they did it was very seldom. Small increase in hunters, but those hunters are hunting more than ever before.
I think this is more what it is. Ease of travel now is way better vs even 10-15 years ago. I grew up on the east coast. Used to be one guy would go west every 10ish years. Now I know a group of guys that go every year. There's no reason for them to go other than its their yearly vacation. The harvest limit where they hunt at home is like 15ish deer a year for all methods of take.
Great point
Very interesting! Thanks for giving us your opinion. I really like your content. I've been following you since the hunt with Pedro and since then I haven't stopped watching your films and listening to your podcasts.
Thank you. I can’t wait to hunt with Pedro again!
What a great podcast! You and Brady are spot on and add context to Nicole's article that many, especially nonhunters, will not understand. This would be a great topic to get out to a bigger and broader audience, say in a Rogan podcast. Is there any chance you and Brady could podcast this topic with Joe?
What a great conversation. I share the same beliefs and opinions as yall do.
Buddy, I feel the same way. I'm a out going guy, and I know it's public land, but I can't stand people in the woods in hunting, lol.
As always awesome podcast! You always keep it real and that’s what keeps me looking forward to watching and listening to your show! Good job my friend
Hunter decline?
As a guy who spends around 75-100 days a year in the woods hunting public land im not seeing a loss of hunters.
I hunted Colorado, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan last year. No shortage in any of those states in the parking areas.
As far as banning hunting goes, I would never comply with that.
Only death will stop me from hitting the trail.
In January of 2010 I had a stroke from a vertebral artery dissection. In September of 2010 I did my first archery elk hunt. The thought never crossed my mind to back out, the thought crossed everyone's mind for me to back out. If death waits for me on a mountain then i hope he has good legs. Haven't missed a year since. You cannot make a hunter, either you have that inner fire or you do not. I wanted my kids to hunt with me but they just weren't born with that fire. I included them from childhood in hunting interests. Either you have it in your soul or you dont. I have lost jobs over hunting and cannot/do not want to live without it. God's speed to the guy they send to stop me from hitting the trail.
MI has 250k LESS hunters than 20 years ago
Great podcast! I agree with 90% of what you discussed, but I interpreted what Nicole was saying at the very end differently. I believe she was saying to bring non-hunters along when we work on habitat projects to help us find common ground. Without that, the risk is that non-hunters will continue to see hunting one dimensionally, as just killing animals. Showing them that we both care about improving habitat and seeing wildlife populations thrive, we may be able to connect in away that prevents them from becoming anti-hunters in the future. Most non-hunters don’t know anything about the work the hunting community does to protect habitat and help wildlife populations grow. Nicole is saying to emphasize and leverage that vs trying to convert them into hunters, in my opinion. By doing this, we all work together to solve the habitat issue. It may be a little idealistic, but I think it’s a sound approach and certainly won’t hurt anything more than what is currently happening.
Good Podcast Brady is always a great gest. I Think she is right on target with most of her story. Well guys technology is a double edge sword. People can scout from home Bows that shoot 100 yards rifles 1000 yards side by sides TV podcast, UA-cam ext. It used to be if you could do a week out west and gun deer at home and small game was great. Today's young hunters is how many states i can hunt Im bow hunter I always get a kick out how they always feel they have to justify their actions. Gods Blessings Guys looking forward to the next one 😊
Best podcast ever
I agree with the sharing the meat with many folks and to have a respect for the animals. I personally am ok with folks doing the trophy hunting like grizzly bear hunting in Alaska . Nevertheless, this type of hunting is more likely going to convince a non-hunter to become more of an anti hunter. Conversely, I think showing respectful hunting and meat harvesting and sharing is going to bring these folks that are on the fence to our side. I also think we should avoid putting trophy hunting videos and somewhat not so ethical hunting scenes online.
Regarding public land, we have to stem the selling off of public lands. I think Randy Newberg has a good idea regarding requiring hunters and non-hunters to pay a small fee to access the public lands. We need something that will balance the strong selling forces. If we have no financial reason to keep the land (stop forestry etc.), public land will get sold sooner or later because it is free short term income for a state. I think of RMEF as a good investment.. especially when land and easements are bought to keep land permanently in public hands. I agree with you guys, the land and animals need to have value and the more people value these things, the better chance we'll be able to preserve them.
Just ordered “Boone” can’t wait for the book episodes!
Outstanding!
Maybe the non hunter applying for tags to prevent hunters from getting the tags is becoming more popular
I’ve been around a few non hunters who claimed that they did that
there are more hunters in my areas every year
Y’all REALLY should have brought in an R3 professional to discuss this topic. Sitting there and throwing opinions back and forth doesn’t get to the truth. Decline varies regionally. Some states are doing fine on the backs of non-resident hunters. Some states are withering with precipitous drops in hunters. The actual, real data doesn’t lie. You should have had someone talking that knew something about it.
R3 professional? Hahahaha. You mean R3 salesperson? Hunter numbers are at all time highs. The metrics and terminology is being manipulated to create fear and concern. Turns everyone into a recruiter. Gotta pump those numbers up those are rookie numbers. All about the money buddy
Of course decline varies regionally. Of course some states are withering with precipitous drops in hunter participation. And other states, namely western states, are hammered by hunter participation. You’re stating the obvious-water is wet. Exactly. what “truth” did we miss in this discussion?
And what does “off the backs of nonresidents mean?” Whether tags sell out from nonresidents or resident participation is irrelevant when we’re discussing hunter opportunity. When tags are in high demand and sellout in a few hours, do we really need more resident participation/recruitment?
@@GrittyGearAndPodcast show me the states that have a decline in license sales over a 10 year period and I'll show you an agency that is manufacturing data. I hunt all across the US. I haven't seen one state that is in any form of decline. The statement this gentleman is making is simply untrue.
@@GrittyGearAndPodcastThe facts (or at least context) that you missed had to do with at least a couple things. 1) The COVID bump. This article was written right in the middle of it. Many states are now back down to, and even below, pre-COVID levels. 2) The average age of hunters is creeping toward a cliff in most states. The hunter landscape in the second half of this decade will look much different than the first half. Nationally, we estimate a drastic drop starting in 2026.
There are resources out there, straight from state permit data, that an R3 professional could have used to address a lot of the short-on-data statements that the author made. It was mostly conjecture.
Gritty. I appreciate your expanding out and trying different things. And i get youre doing it on your own on the fly, but you and brady are too small to really see, and the article is too small to read. Interesting conversation none the less. Thanks for the vid. Brady you rock too
I am watching this on a mobile device so that may effect my viewing experience
You guys confuse the world shrinking and people having more resources/ info with Hunter numbers. People travel all over the place now. Lots of people hunting multiple states that didn’t happen 40 years ago.
In my home state we had 800k deer hunters in 2000.
Now it’s around 500k.
BUT tons of people travel out of state.
Our hunting in Michigan is getting Better not worse.
People have just realized going out west or to a different state to hunt isn’t that un achievable
Brad needs a haircut badly
Well I like it
Antiquated, I believe is the word you were searching for
The word is anachronistic. But antiquated is close and more colloquial-but it’s not the “perfect” word like anachronistic.