Lyn is the one inquisitor in Obi-Wan Kenobi whos barely in it and always in the background during a few of the Inquisitorium Emporium scenes, so this episode has to take place after Obi-Wan
Qui Gon laid on the ground for an entire final fight scene. Sabine got medical attention right away. Also, this turned out to be more Lyn's story than Bariss's.
Just because she found peace in the light dose not me she is a jedi. And on top of that I dont think her view on the jedi has changed. They lost their way, she saw that. She acted poorly and paid for it. So I doubt she would want to be a jedi again. Its not like the Jedi have exclusive rights to the light side of the force.
If she had been a true Jedi, she would have told Lyn "no" originally, or let the other Jedi kill her in training (or for that matter tried to flee as well), or attempted to save the civilians from being killed. She died as a recluse, attempting to attone for her failings by providing healing/advice/guidance to those she deemed willing to meet. She was no Jedi.
@@Chrisyork21 She explicitly reclaimed her Jedi identity, in her own words. And she always believed in who the Jedi were meant to be. She lost her way because she was disillusioned by what the Jedi had become during TCW. She thought she could force them to see the error of their ways and return to what they once were, and took it too far. Watching Lynn kill innocents made her realize what she had become and that her actions went against everything she believed in. Which is why she spent the rest of her life atoning. She was absolutely a true Jedi in the end. @robertdickson9319 She was less of a recluse than Yoda, and not only returned to the light, but inspired another to return because she never lost hope. That's the definition of a Jedi. Boiling who she is down to just her worst moments goes against the entire philosophy of the light side, the Jedi, and Star Wars.
@@jasoncaldwell5627 You are free to believe what you want to & that's fine - I, however, don't subscribe to the theory that one good deed wipes the slate clean, especially with what Anakin did during his life.
anyone else notice this ending is like the reverse to Ahsoka's ambiguous "ending" after the Sith temple battle with Vader in Rebels? Ahsoka walks back into the ruins of the sith temple and here Lyn is walking out of the cave. The scenes feel very similar
Here are my thoughts on the argument of the gut shot death or lack thereof. Maul, the Grand Inquisitor, and Reva, were fueled by anger, and revenge which drove their desire to live. Qui-Gon was at peace, without fear and knew that he would live in the force. He didn't need to fight anymore and welcomed the journey. Is this true, probably not, but it helps me justify my acceptance of what is often confusing or frustrating.
Yeah, I thought the animation did a really great job with that, synching Barriss and Lyn's breath and then having only Lyn's breath continuing. That being said, post-breath resuscitation is definitely a thing.
I love these 3 episodes versus the first 3. Bariss really became a great character you want to see more from. I would give this episode 2 or 2 redeemed inquisitors. We need more stories like this one
There’s a third possibility besides “Barriss is gone” and “Barriss lives”. She definitely seems to have achieved the peak of Jedi enlightenment, so even if she wasn’t prepared to completely discorporeat herself like Obi Wan and Yoda were, she could definitely still be preserved as conscious part of the Force like Qui Gon managed and taught them.
The Bad Batch? I think you mean Daaa Dad Batch. 3:30 "That's when we met the Traveler," Me, knowing full well they're vastly different IP's, Open your heart to chaos!
If Bariss words are to be believed “if you go in you won’t come out” could it be that the inquisitor went in and didn’t come out and Lyn the Jedi/grey came out. “Carrying” a Jedi master alla Lyn carrying bariss. But we really don’t know if it was her dying or living at the end.
12:35 Didn't Morgan Elspeth get what she wanted? She outlived the Empire. That's a win in my book. Even though she ends up dying at the hands of Ahsoka. But she ultimately was able to pave the way to resurrect her sisters.
Glad you were feeling these episodes! I liked them a lot too. And I agree, I'm satisfied if this is the end for Bariss. Very cool to see her journey fleshed out
After talking with many people, I get the impression that literally half of the fandom doesn't think that Barriss died because of Force Heal. They didn't show us the real visible answer: Lyn's farewell to Barriss or funeral, nor did they show us the healing of that wound. I'll allow myself to copy a quote from Wookieepedia: "Promising to save her, Rakish (Lyn) held her injured friend, and only then was she able to exit, carrying her body outside." - I'm not saying she survived, just that even Wookieepedia doesn't know if it's death. So if that's true and she died, then it's a very very weak death scene, if not then it's a disorienting ending. Additionally that character returns after 11 years just to die? Filoni talked for years about plans for Barriss, if it was only those 3 shorts and her death, they could have made a comic or done nothing because it's a total waste of her potential. Now even if Barriss appears in events before Episode 6, she'll have permanent plot armor. Unless she survived. Then it would be interesting because this character has a lot to offer. Working with Ahsoka and rebuilding trust (Meybe even Ahsoka seson 2) Maybe a student and creating her legacy Continuing Lyn's redemption Potential references to Luminara, maybe even learning how to become one with the Force Hidden Path And these are just a few options. Her first arc is over but that is only a summary of her morality. Barriss has much more to offer.
Barris had been using her life force to heal others (Rey explained it in the movies we don't talk about). I'm not saying this happened, but, if you can give your life force to heal others, Barris could have sucked Lyn's life right out like a Slurpie and become eighteen again. (Slurping sounds)
@@jasoncaldwell5627That wouldn’t be force heal that would be Force drain. Force heal is an ability that was Kept in the ancient Jedi texts and not known to most other Jedi.
@@jasoncaldwell5627 Force Heal is not about giving your life force. You can't divide the life force - you can't be half dead. You can transfer all your life force, but then you die. Ahsoka-Daughter or Rey-Ben Force Heal is about becoming a channel for the Force and that heals wounds. You don't give anything of yourself. And I have the impression that I know where you got this information from, because now everyone seems to be Force Heal specialist. And as for Barriss's survival, there are a lot of clues that suggest me that Lyn was also a healer.
@@jasoncaldwell5627 Don't tell me that those idiots ruined it too, because Rey must be a superhero... Her "Force Heal" is non-canonical and I don't care, you only need to imagine the 1 Clone Battalion and a group of Healers. It would be impossible to stop them. Additionally, Barriss didn't age in the Clone Wars, and her obsession with helping others should even kill her if Force Heal was all about the giving the life force.
Honestly Barriss ended up in a more “pure” Lightside practice than that of the Jedi - being a complete pacifist healer (of bodies and souls) rather than a knight. She needed to pass through darkness to get there though. If she’s aging faster because she’s using her own life force to heal, it corresponds directly to her being willing to die to save Lynn.
This shows Bariss finally gets to be the Jedi she thought they were supposed to be. The Zen healer and guide to peace and life. Oh. And how about "Hoth-cat"? 😉
I love the first Barriss episode and the last one. I wish they’d been able to do more steps for Barriss service and defection (including Ahsoka in the story)
Star Wars has always been about redemption. From greater redemption (Darth Vader) to lesser. Han Solo and lando. I absolutely love braids was redeemed and made peace with herself. I also love the ambiguous ending. There is closure but just enough of an opening that if they want to they can always tell another braids story.
I think Bariss died. They make a point of letting you see their breath in the cold and you see just before Lyn picked Bariss up, that you can still Lyn’s breath but not Bariss. Question for you all. I’m not full knowledgeable about Star Wars lore but within Force Wielders, is there another option besides Jedi and Sith? It get the impression that with the Bariss story line and hints in Ahsoka that they are skirting around telling us about another group beyond Jedi and Sith. Maybe something in the middle?
Even within the existing content, there are things like Nightsisters. The old EU also had various Force sects. Jedi and Sith are two specific creeds with specific philosophies regarding the light and dark sides, specific behaviors/rituals/rules, etc. There are other light side users, for example, that are not 'Jedi'. There are dark siders who are not Sith. But that's also part of why I hate the whole 'Grey Jedi' thing because by definition, Jedi reject the Dark side. You might still be a Force user on the side of good, overall, but you're not a 'Jedi'. It might even be argued there can be Force users who use the Dark side who are good guys but the implication is that it's quite rare because it's naturally addictive/corruptive. I've always viewed it as a kind of One Ring scenario. You might be able to stave it off at first but in the end it will throw you out of balance unless you're incredibly exceptional (there are examples of characters like that in the old EU, and there are also some 'good' Nightsisters even in the current canon).
No matter if she survives/dies the information could be pivotal in the Ahsoka show for without Barris doing what she did Ahsoka would not be alive. They made that clear in the Ahsoka flashbacks that Anakin/Vader would have defeated her when she was younger.
I like that the focus is on Barriss trying to "heal" Lyn of the dark side, and the ending is left up to interpretation. But the way Star Wars works, I'm pretty sure we will be seeing at least Barriss again at some point in another project.
If this was after Obi-Wan then who the 'she' Barris refers to might be either Ashoka or may be its Reva! ;) Ex-Inquisitors stick together right? Or maybe Reva is the one they referred to as 'The Traveller' ;)
All the Star Wars fandom has to do is start a "Barriss Lives?" hashtag to trend enough to get Dave Filoni's attention so he can bring her back like he did for Ahsoka after the Vader battle in Rebels. :)
Qui-Gon died because Obi-Wan didn't know force heal. Obi-Wan was a canonically a slow learner and struggled with the basics. He almost quit being a Jedi a year before EP1 because using a lightsaber was the only thing he was good at.
I’m very happy that you guys enjoyed this. There is so much bandwagon hate, and I guess just shallow minded people to put it bluntly, who can’t appreciate what we got in Tales of the Empire. I thought Barriss’ story was fantastically continued and completed (?). I hope to see Ahsoka and Barriss reuniting on screen one day. Barriss was never evil. She fell down the path of the dark side when she grew passionate with her frustrations with the Jedi, grew unbalanced, was forced to survive and choose the inquisitor path, but now she has returned to being a true Jedi, and wow. They really finalized such an amazing character. I hope she survived. I know people are fed up with people surviving lightsaber stabs, but it’s like someone getting stabbed by a knife if it’s not a vital organ, or spine like Qui-Gon.
Isn’t this the planet where Luke made his last stand against The New Order…? The landscape and chin-CHILL-as look the same…and the caverns had a front and a rear entrance, same as here…
I love how people assume that just because she's a good person she considered herself a jedi. Like, she disliked the jedi so much she actually bombed innocent people. And then they were destroyed. Why would she say "ah yes, this is the philosophy to live by"?
I don't think it is the same planet (Crait). Crait was white salt on top of red crystalline minerals. This planet seems to be normal rock and dirt covered in snow and ice- so more like Ilum/Starkiller Base or Hoth (though I don't believe it is either one of those). The ground only looks reddish inside the ice cave because it's being lit by Lyn's red lightsaber.
I don't understand why they aged Bariss so much for this episode, but they didn't seem to age Lyn up at all. I also thought it was going to be Vader showing up to hunt her down, meanwhile, and I think they honestly could've made a better (and less perplexing) resolution to Bariss' arc out of that premise instead of "Bariss briefly talks to Lyn as she goes into a cave, then immediately becomes disoriented to the point of panic, and then somehow still finds her way out of the cave anyway with Bariss' *maybe* dead body." I guess that was allegorical, but still...I just found it all weird.
Having Y'alls Bad Batch reactions behind a pay wall was less fun. someone noted that the tales of the Jedi began with a force sensitive baby, and Tales of the Empire ended with a force sensitive baby... "like poetry, it rhymes"
Just a gentle reminder that the Jedi from e5 was nonbinary, with they/them pronouns. But this episode went HARD. Barriss's arc was just so good, better than anything in the Tales of the Jedi (which was still amazing). But that inquisitor was the Fourth Sister, who showed up in the Obi-wan Kenobi show. I'm glad they fleshed her out. I'm assuming the "she" that Barriss was referring to was Ahsoka, and yeah, the metaphor of leaving the darkness behind to get out of the cave was just...*chef kiss*.
@@julianrosado1592 not Morgan's but Barriss? Yeah it's at least equal to Dooku and a little higher than Ashoka though Ashoka also had the gut punch of her attending the funeral. I just was not expecting his this went and I think the emotional payoff of e6 outweighs anything in both shows. And I'm a big fan of both. That said, though I think it would be hard to defend not holding a candle to Tales of the Jedi, I can't fault anyone for thinking those stories were stronger. Depends on how it hit.
I think for a show that was supposed to be about the empire, I am just disappointed that we didn't get a Vader (especially with his CW animation style), a Tarkin storyline, or possibly an Inferno squad story. I just watched those episodes and was like.... ok. Animation on point, sound design on point. But I just had hopes for more interesting character storylines.
nothing about the show other than the title promises anything like a story about the empire. if anything, it's about two stories with the same theme during the peak of the empire, hence the title the show is nothing more than an answer to the question, " How do these two individuals face the darkness they're forced into, and how do they face it differently?" morgan burns everything around her, while Barris rises and becomes enlightened by her struggles. the show promises nothing more than that and accomplishes on what it attempts.
@@zacharyjackson1829 Baris shouldn't have had the opportunity to do that! I think Vader would have realistically snapped her neck for what she did to Ahsoka. Heck he snaps necks in Kenobi just to draw him out. In a way that could have been severing one of the last ties to his feelings for his Padawan
@thomas216h what should or shouldn't have happened is pointless to argue over. The reality is this is the story we got and the story Dave Feloni wanted to tell. You either can accept that or sit and stew over what you wanted, while missing the nice story in front of you. Nobody else but barris is capable of having the story she did. She is the first jedi to call out the order for their fall from grace due to the war and while her actions that followed certainly were not savory, it was ultimately rooted in what her and Ahsoka fight for; a truly balanced relationship with the force. Andor literally came out last year and gives you what you want, an insight to the Empire. While I wished they would put more effort into making the Empire more gray than black, you can't say they've neglected telling the Empire's stories.
To me this was the most disappointing episode. The overall idea of Bariss' arc was good - that she thought the Inquisitors were something that they weren't and she decided to leave and go a different way. But I honestly wasn't sure they stuck the landing with this episode; she wound up a little too similar to Ahsoka/Kenobi and every other Jedi that survived Order 66. Think it was a missed opportunity to tell a different story that isn't just pure redemption.
I liked the episode, but I think they missed the opportunity to make it great and important within in the universe. I think I would've liked it more to see Barriss become a real Inquisitor, she was corrupted by the dark side, she believed the Jedi to be evil and the force responsible for the war, so Order 66 and the the Empire would've been a success for her. Inquisitors could've teached her how they have to find the lasting memebers of thew Jedi and kill them by all means necessary so they can't ignite another brutal war and during that Barris could've lost herself fully on that dark path. Eventually she would've met Ahsoka and that's where we could've seen a learning moment for Ahsoka, maybe Ahsoka was still angry at Barriss for framing her and therefore changing her life. Through that fight with an old friend she could've learned that Barriss's actions weren't the cause for Ahsoka not being there for Anakin but her own decison. Ahsoka could've learned something about forgivness and therefore Barriss could've learned about forgiving herself for betraying her old friend, maybe Ahsoka helped Barriss to get rid of her dark side and Barriss could've been someone in Ahsoka season 2, not a Jedi Master as Ahsoka is (I now "I'm no Jedi" but let's be real, Ahsoka is the ideal Jedi master) but really between the 2 sides and just a friend from the old days when Ahsoka needs one. It would've given us a truly savage story of a beloved character who fell as deep into the dark side as possible (losing limbs, breathing machine, whatever kidn of robotics on her body), an important part of Ahsoka's story and a kind of successful mirroring of Anakins story and a reason why Ahsoka still believes in her old master because she saw it working. But maybe that's complete bs and everybody likes the actual episode more haha
I respect y'all's opinions as I always have, but personally, I was disappointed in this storyline. There were 2 missed confrontations: one with Vader, and one with Ahsoka. Maybe they'll do the latter one later (hopefully), but considering how involved Anakin was in the Ahsoka trail, I was expecting at least a little more tension between the two. This story deserved more than a quick 3-episode arc imo. Also, and more importantly, they mentioned The Traveller, and NO ONE made a Jester/Mighty NEIN reference?!?! Disappointing!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm sure it's not intentional but you guys have both refered to the non-binary Jedi and Morph in X-Men as he/him instead of they/them. Just something to keep in mind. Especially with Morph. Even when the other characters very clearly use they, Adam in particular immediately says he. Again, no biggie, but something to work on.
Lyn is the one inquisitor in Obi-Wan Kenobi whos barely in it and always in the background during a few of the Inquisitorium Emporium scenes, so this episode has to take place after Obi-Wan
yep your right it happen after obi wan
The writing team for these is doing excellent work taking small characters and writing very emotional stories with them
I love the echoing between the first inquisitor's fight with Barriss and Lyn's.
Qui Gon laid on the ground for an entire final fight scene. Sabine got medical attention right away.
Also, this turned out to be more Lyn's story than Bariss's.
I don’t think it was more Lyn’s story… I was surprised we got Lyn’s redemption in this story, though. Barriss’s arc was really good
Yes! Thank you!
Also, Sabine got it through the side, by an inexperienced fighter. Qui Gon got it right through the spine by a Sith Lord. Kinda different.
I liked the healer approach. Goes back to the medstar books. Also similar to the healing hermit from rule of two.
If Barris died here, she died a true Jedi.
Just because she found peace in the light dose not me she is a jedi. And on top of that I dont think her view on the jedi has changed. They lost their way, she saw that. She acted poorly and paid for it. So I doubt she would want to be a jedi again. Its not like the Jedi have exclusive rights to the light side of the force.
If she had been a true Jedi, she would have told Lyn "no" originally, or let the other Jedi kill her in training (or for that matter tried to flee as well), or attempted to save the civilians from being killed. She died as a recluse, attempting to attone for her failings by providing healing/advice/guidance to those she deemed willing to meet. She was no Jedi.
@@Chrisyork21 She explicitly reclaimed her Jedi identity, in her own words. And she always believed in who the Jedi were meant to be. She lost her way because she was disillusioned by what the Jedi had become during TCW. She thought she could force them to see the error of their ways and return to what they once were, and took it too far. Watching Lynn kill innocents made her realize what she had become and that her actions went against everything she believed in. Which is why she spent the rest of her life atoning. She was absolutely a true Jedi in the end. @robertdickson9319 She was less of a recluse than Yoda, and not only returned to the light, but inspired another to return because she never lost hope. That's the definition of a Jedi. Boiling who she is down to just her worst moments goes against the entire philosophy of the light side, the Jedi, and Star Wars.
@@robertdickson9319 if Barris didn't die a Jedi, then neither did Anakin- and I refuse to believe that.
@@jasoncaldwell5627 You are free to believe what you want to & that's fine - I, however, don't subscribe to the theory that one good deed wipes the slate clean, especially with what Anakin did during his life.
anyone else notice this ending is like the reverse to Ahsoka's ambiguous "ending" after the Sith temple battle with Vader in Rebels? Ahsoka walks back into the ruins of the sith temple and here Lyn is walking out of the cave. The scenes feel very similar
Jedi Jay in isolation would be like Jester with Sending. There would be Force Zoom calls all the time with no warning
Here are my thoughts on the argument of the gut shot death or lack thereof. Maul, the Grand Inquisitor, and Reva, were fueled by anger, and revenge which drove their desire to live. Qui-Gon was at peace, without fear and knew that he would live in the force. He didn't need to fight anymore and welcomed the journey.
Is this true, probably not, but it helps me justify my acceptance of what is often confusing or frustrating.
y'all.. they made a point of showing her foggy breath slowly going out to nothing.. I think Barriss is doneso.
Yeah, I thought the animation did a really great job with that, synching Barriss and Lyn's breath and then having only Lyn's breath continuing. That being said, post-breath resuscitation is definitely a thing.
Yet Darth maul was cleaved half and yet he managed to return... But you do make good point.
She could have still lived. But yeah, I think she's dead.
I love these 3 episodes versus the first 3. Bariss really became a great character you want to see more from. I would give this episode 2 or 2 redeemed inquisitors. We need more stories like this one
A lot of people forget, but Barriss is closer to Anakin's age than Ahsoka's.
Which means little considering Anakin and Ahsoka are only 5 years apart in age
@@ShannonLynn21 In your 20s?
@@Heavensrun it's a 5 year difference regardless of where you place their age? That's not a big age gap.
There’s a third possibility besides “Barriss is gone” and “Barriss lives”. She definitely seems to have achieved the peak of Jedi enlightenment, so even if she wasn’t prepared to completely discorporeat herself like Obi Wan and Yoda were, she could definitely still be preserved as conscious part of the Force like Qui Gon managed and taught them.
She dies on screen. You can see their breaths, and Barriss's stops.
The point here is that Barriss gave herself to save Lyn.
Barriss was wounded but she was still breathing. Both Barriss and Lyn could show up later in Ahsoka season 2.
The Bad Batch? I think you mean Daaa Dad Batch.
3:30 "That's when we met the Traveler,"
Me, knowing full well they're vastly different IP's, Open your heart to chaos!
Qui Gon's death was necessary for Anakin's path towards the dark and essential to Sidious' plan.
the condensation of her breath stopped showing when Lyns did not. there is no doubt in my mind that Bariss is died right there.
If Bariss words are to be believed “if you go in you won’t come out” could it be that the inquisitor went in and didn’t come out and Lyn the Jedi/grey came out. “Carrying” a Jedi master alla Lyn carrying bariss. But we really don’t know if it was her dying or living at the end.
12:35 Didn't Morgan Elspeth get what she wanted? She outlived the Empire. That's a win in my book. Even though she ends up dying at the hands of Ahsoka. But she ultimately was able to pave the way to resurrect her sisters.
Glad you were feeling these episodes! I liked them a lot too. And I agree, I'm satisfied if this is the end for Bariss. Very cool to see her journey fleshed out
I like how they left it ambiguous in the end
Crazy thing is she's from a long life species- so i think her efforts in healing are what aged her
I cannot find information about Mirialan lifespan, are you sure? I'd love to see your source.
After talking with many people, I get the impression that literally half of the fandom doesn't think that Barriss died because of Force Heal. They didn't show us the real visible answer: Lyn's farewell to Barriss or funeral, nor did they show us the healing of that wound.
I'll allow myself to copy a quote from Wookieepedia: "Promising to save her, Rakish (Lyn) held her injured friend, and only then was she able to exit, carrying her body outside." - I'm not saying she survived, just that even Wookieepedia doesn't know if it's death.
So if that's true and she died, then it's a very very weak death scene, if not then it's a disorienting ending.
Additionally that character returns after 11 years just to die? Filoni talked for years about plans for Barriss, if it was only those 3 shorts and her death, they could have made a comic or done nothing because it's a total waste of her potential. Now even if Barriss appears in events before Episode 6, she'll have permanent plot armor. Unless she survived.
Then it would be interesting because this character has a lot to offer.
Working with Ahsoka and rebuilding trust (Meybe even Ahsoka seson 2)
Maybe a student and creating her legacy
Continuing Lyn's redemption
Potential references to Luminara, maybe even learning how to become one with the Force
Hidden Path
And these are just a few options. Her first arc is over but that is only a summary of her morality. Barriss has much more to offer.
Barris had been using her life force to heal others (Rey explained it in the movies we don't talk about).
I'm not saying this happened, but, if you can give your life force to heal others, Barris could have sucked Lyn's life right out like a Slurpie and become eighteen again.
(Slurping sounds)
@@jasoncaldwell5627That wouldn’t be force heal that would be Force drain.
Force heal is an ability that was Kept in the ancient Jedi texts and not known to most other Jedi.
@@jasoncaldwell5627 Force Heal is not about giving your life force. You can't divide the life force - you can't be half dead.
You can transfer all your life force, but then you die.
Ahsoka-Daughter or Rey-Ben
Force Heal is about becoming a channel for the Force and that heals wounds. You don't give anything of yourself.
And I have the impression that I know where you got this information from, because now everyone seems to be Force Heal specialist.
And as for Barriss's survival, there are a lot of clues that suggest me that Lyn was also a healer.
@@hehu4025 Rey uses force heal to heal an animal- she's using just a portion of her life force. It's explained pretty clearly.
@@jasoncaldwell5627 Don't tell me that those idiots ruined it too, because Rey must be a superhero...
Her "Force Heal" is non-canonical and I don't care, you only need to imagine the 1 Clone Battalion and a group of Healers. It would be impossible to stop them.
Additionally, Barriss didn't age in the Clone Wars, and her obsession with helping others should even kill her if Force Heal was all about the giving the life force.
I think when Bariss said “she’ll know what to do” when sending the others aways she was referencing either Cere Junda or Tala from Obi-wan.
Honestly Barriss ended up in a more “pure” Lightside practice than that of the Jedi - being a complete pacifist healer (of bodies and souls) rather than a knight. She needed to pass through darkness to get there though.
If she’s aging faster because she’s using her own life force to heal, it corresponds directly to her being willing to die to save Lynn.
Does this make Bariss into a Grey Jedi? We know that Qui Gon Jinn was conceptually one, even though he died as a Jedi.
I didn't know I needed her story as much as I did. This was awesome
This shows Bariss finally gets to be the Jedi she thought they were supposed to be. The Zen healer and guide to peace and life.
Oh. And how about "Hoth-cat"? 😉
I love the first Barriss episode and the last one. I wish they’d been able to do more steps for Barriss service and defection (including Ahsoka in the story)
Are you guys gonna react to the final season of Bad Batch? I loved your season 1 & 2 reactions and I really wanna see what you guys think of season 3!
Many thanks to Jay and Adam! 📜
Star Wars has always been about redemption. From greater redemption (Darth Vader) to lesser. Han Solo and lando. I absolutely love braids was redeemed and made peace with herself. I also love the ambiguous ending. There is closure but just enough of an opening that if they want to they can always tell another braids story.
I think Bariss died. They make a point of letting you see their breath in the cold and you see just before Lyn picked Bariss up, that you can still Lyn’s breath but not Bariss.
Question for you all. I’m not full knowledgeable about Star Wars lore but within Force Wielders, is there another option besides Jedi and Sith? It get the impression that with the Bariss story line and hints in Ahsoka that they are skirting around telling us about another group beyond Jedi and Sith. Maybe something in the middle?
Even within the existing content, there are things like Nightsisters. The old EU also had various Force sects.
Jedi and Sith are two specific creeds with specific philosophies regarding the light and dark sides, specific behaviors/rituals/rules, etc. There are other light side users, for example, that are not 'Jedi'. There are dark siders who are not Sith. But that's also part of why I hate the whole 'Grey Jedi' thing because by definition, Jedi reject the Dark side. You might still be a Force user on the side of good, overall, but you're not a 'Jedi'.
It might even be argued there can be Force users who use the Dark side who are good guys but the implication is that it's quite rare because it's naturally addictive/corruptive. I've always viewed it as a kind of One Ring scenario. You might be able to stave it off at first but in the end it will throw you out of balance unless you're incredibly exceptional (there are examples of characters like that in the old EU, and there are also some 'good' Nightsisters even in the current canon).
The force can do incredible things, and force healing trances are a thing,
@@lisamarieligreci-newton7804
Thank you for your insight, I truly appreciate it
@@Adanu191
That is a very good point and thank you for giving me a different way of looking at that scene.
No matter if she survives/dies the information could be pivotal in the Ahsoka show for without Barris doing what she did Ahsoka would not be alive. They made that clear in the Ahsoka flashbacks that Anakin/Vader would have defeated her when she was younger.
This is some good star wars.
I like that the focus is on Barriss trying to "heal" Lyn of the dark side, and the ending is left up to interpretation. But the way Star Wars works, I'm pretty sure we will be seeing at least Barriss again at some point in another project.
If this was after Obi-Wan then who the 'she' Barris refers to might be either Ashoka or may be its Reva! ;) Ex-Inquisitors stick together right? Or maybe Reva is the one they referred to as 'The Traveller' ;)
All the Star Wars fandom has to do is start a "Barriss Lives?" hashtag to trend enough to get Dave Filoni's attention so he can bring her back like he did for Ahsoka after the Vader battle in Rebels. :)
Qui-Gon died because Obi-Wan didn't know force heal. Obi-Wan was a canonically a slow learner and struggled with the basics. He almost quit being a Jedi a year before EP1 because using a lightsaber was the only thing he was good at.
This was my favorite episode of the six.
I’m very happy that you guys enjoyed this. There is so much bandwagon hate, and I guess just shallow minded people to put it bluntly, who can’t appreciate what we got in Tales of the Empire. I thought Barriss’ story was fantastically continued and completed (?). I hope to see Ahsoka and Barriss reuniting on screen one day.
Barriss was never evil. She fell down the path of the dark side when she grew passionate with her frustrations with the Jedi, grew unbalanced, was forced to survive and choose the inquisitor path, but now she has returned to being a true Jedi, and wow. They really finalized such an amazing character. I hope she survived. I know people are fed up with people surviving lightsaber stabs, but it’s like someone getting stabbed by a knife if it’s not a vital organ, or spine like Qui-Gon.
Honestly having her age a bit fast while living as a hermit might be a bit of a nod to Ewen McGregor’s transformation in Alec Guinness.
I’m guessing Adam decides which one burps and which one farts in his animation. lol.
Isn’t this the planet where Luke made his last stand against The New Order…? The landscape and chin-CHILL-as look the same…and the caverns had a front and a rear entrance, same as here…
wasn't that character from Kenobi series with Grand Inquisitor and Reva?
4th sister. Saw her in Kenobi
I love how people assume that just because she's a good person she considered herself a jedi. Like, she disliked the jedi so much she actually bombed innocent people. And then they were destroyed. Why would she say "ah yes, this is the philosophy to live by"?
I'm up in the air. But I want more .
That planet is the same one from The Last Jedi, you can see the red sand under the white sand
I don't think it is the same planet (Crait). Crait was white salt on top of red crystalline minerals. This planet seems to be normal rock and dirt covered in snow and ice- so more like Ilum/Starkiller Base or Hoth (though I don't believe it is either one of those). The ground only looks reddish inside the ice cave because it's being lit by Lyn's red lightsaber.
I’m fine with Bariiss staying dead. And I really liked Lynne’s story.
Ghost-Face Chillas
Adam doesnt think Jay would last in isolation. Jay thinks he could.
Best way to find out is how he handled the pandemic
I don't understand why they aged Bariss so much for this episode, but they didn't seem to age Lyn up at all. I also thought it was going to be Vader showing up to hunt her down, meanwhile, and I think they honestly could've made a better (and less perplexing) resolution to Bariss' arc out of that premise instead of "Bariss briefly talks to Lyn as she goes into a cave, then immediately becomes disoriented to the point of panic, and then somehow still finds her way out of the cave anyway with Bariss' *maybe* dead body." I guess that was allegorical, but still...I just found it all weird.
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Having Y'alls Bad Batch reactions behind a pay wall was less fun.
someone noted that the tales of the Jedi began with a force sensitive baby, and Tales of the Empire ended with a force sensitive baby... "like poetry, it rhymes"
MTFBWY’all!
Woo!
I'm pretty sure she died 😭 I feel like that's the best ending for her
Just a gentle reminder that the Jedi from e5 was nonbinary, with they/them pronouns. But this episode went HARD. Barriss's arc was just so good, better than anything in the Tales of the Jedi (which was still amazing).
But that inquisitor was the Fourth Sister, who showed up in the Obi-wan Kenobi show. I'm glad they fleshed her out. I'm assuming the "she" that Barriss was referring to was Ahsoka, and yeah, the metaphor of leaving the darkness behind to get out of the cave was just...*chef kiss*.
I am not obligated to participate on your delusions.
I'm so sorry but this arc doesn't hold a candle to Ahsokas or especially Dookus
@@julianrosado1592 not Morgan's but Barriss? Yeah it's at least equal to Dooku and a little higher than Ashoka though Ashoka also had the gut punch of her attending the funeral.
I just was not expecting his this went and I think the emotional payoff of e6 outweighs anything in both shows. And I'm a big fan of both.
That said, though I think it would be hard to defend not holding a candle to Tales of the Jedi, I can't fault anyone for thinking those stories were stronger. Depends on how it hit.
I think for a show that was supposed to be about the empire, I am just disappointed that we didn't get a Vader (especially with his CW animation style), a Tarkin storyline, or possibly an Inferno squad story. I just watched those episodes and was like.... ok. Animation on point, sound design on point. But I just had hopes for more interesting character storylines.
Vader was never the main character for this show tho yall need to stop setting your hopes high cuz yall are gonna be dissapointed in the end
Exactly @@Calibanzz
nothing about the show other than the title promises anything like a story about the empire. if anything, it's about two stories with the same theme during the peak of the empire, hence the title
the show is nothing more than an answer to the question, " How do these two individuals face the darkness they're forced into, and how do they face it differently?" morgan burns everything around her, while Barris rises and becomes enlightened by her struggles. the show promises nothing more than that and accomplishes on what it attempts.
@@zacharyjackson1829 Baris shouldn't have had the opportunity to do that! I think Vader would have realistically snapped her neck for what she did to Ahsoka. Heck he snaps necks in Kenobi just to draw him out. In a way that could have been severing one of the last ties to his feelings for his Padawan
@thomas216h what should or shouldn't have happened is pointless to argue over. The reality is this is the story we got and the story Dave Feloni wanted to tell. You either can accept that or sit and stew over what you wanted, while missing the nice story in front of you.
Nobody else but barris is capable of having the story she did. She is the first jedi to call out the order for their fall from grace due to the war and while her actions that followed certainly were not savory, it was ultimately rooted in what her and Ahsoka fight for; a truly balanced relationship with the force.
Andor literally came out last year and gives you what you want, an insight to the Empire. While I wished they would put more effort into making the Empire more gray than black, you can't say they've neglected telling the Empire's stories.
To me this was the most disappointing episode. The overall idea of Bariss' arc was good - that she thought the Inquisitors were something that they weren't and she decided to leave and go a different way. But I honestly wasn't sure they stuck the landing with this episode; she wound up a little too similar to Ahsoka/Kenobi and every other Jedi that survived Order 66. Think it was a missed opportunity to tell a different story that isn't just pure redemption.
I liked the episode, but I think they missed the opportunity to make it great and important within in the universe.
I think I would've liked it more to see Barriss become a real Inquisitor, she was corrupted by the dark side, she believed the Jedi to be evil and the force responsible for the war, so Order 66 and the the Empire would've been a success for her. Inquisitors could've teached her how they have to find the lasting memebers of thew Jedi and kill them by all means necessary so they can't ignite another brutal war and during that Barris could've lost herself fully on that dark path.
Eventually she would've met Ahsoka and that's where we could've seen a learning moment for Ahsoka, maybe Ahsoka was still angry at Barriss for framing her and therefore changing her life. Through that fight with an old friend she could've learned that Barriss's actions weren't the cause for Ahsoka not being there for Anakin but her own decison. Ahsoka could've learned something about forgivness and therefore Barriss could've learned about forgiving herself for betraying her old friend, maybe Ahsoka helped Barriss to get rid of her dark side and Barriss could've been someone in Ahsoka season 2, not a Jedi Master as Ahsoka is (I now "I'm no Jedi" but let's be real, Ahsoka is the ideal Jedi master) but really between the 2 sides and just a friend from the old days when Ahsoka needs one.
It would've given us a truly savage story of a beloved character who fell as deep into the dark side as possible (losing limbs, breathing machine, whatever kidn of robotics on her body), an important part of Ahsoka's story and a kind of successful mirroring of Anakins story and a reason why Ahsoka still believes in her old master because she saw it working.
But maybe that's complete bs and everybody likes the actual episode more haha
I won't lie...I thought the barris stuff was definitely the weakest they've put out in a while.
I respect y'all's opinions as I always have, but personally, I was disappointed in this storyline. There were 2 missed confrontations: one with Vader, and one with Ahsoka. Maybe they'll do the latter one later (hopefully), but considering how involved Anakin was in the Ahsoka trail, I was expecting at least a little more tension between the two. This story deserved more than a quick 3-episode arc imo.
Also, and more importantly, they mentioned The Traveller, and NO ONE made a Jester/Mighty NEIN reference?!?! Disappointing!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm sure it's not intentional but you guys have both refered to the non-binary Jedi and Morph in X-Men as he/him instead of they/them. Just something to keep in mind. Especially with Morph. Even when the other characters very clearly use they, Adam in particular immediately says he. Again, no biggie, but something to work on.
I think they leave it somewhat open ended in case they want to use them again. Right now I'm going with Bariss jedi sacrificed herself to save Lynn