Red's Overpriced "Mini Mag" Cards - The Real Story

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  • Опубліковано 16 лип 2019
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    Red Digital Cinema has come under fire recently over allegations that their Mini-Mag storage cards are just cheap commodity SSDs in a fancy enclosure. As it turns out, there's some truth to these assertions, but the situation is not quite as simple as it's made out to be. Let's unwrap it.
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  • @zohanrock
    @zohanrock 5 років тому +3156

    it was a typo, they didn't spend millions on R&D, they saved millions on R&D

    • @CanthusOfCandE
      @CanthusOfCandE 5 років тому +104

      No, they spent millions on d&d. They have the entire world built by that guy from Weta who designed modular sets. Turns out their engineers are just massive nerds....i know, hard to believe.

    • @cika299
      @cika299 5 років тому +4

      RNG

    • @spyder000069
      @spyder000069 5 років тому +28

      Research & Donuthin

    • @KingOfJonnyBoy
      @KingOfJonnyBoy 4 роки тому +5

      @@CanthusOfCandE r/wooooosh

    • @CanthusOfCandE
      @CanthusOfCandE 4 роки тому +31

      @@KingOfJonnyBoy understood topic creator was joking, replied with an alternative joke... Got r/wooooosh'd? Fine it might not of been funny but not being funny when intended does not fit the criteria of not understanding a joke. So it appears the r/wooooosh is infact held by you by not understanding I was joking... Not sure how, considering I mention about people being shocked that engineers are nerds which should be a big red 'not serious' flag, with a 'this is a joke' siren going every 8 seconds... But nevermind. Next time you might get lucky and use it correctly.
      Guessing you have no idea what d&d is either.

  • @DarioDAversa
    @DarioDAversa 5 років тому +3299

    2,500$ for 1TB ?!?!?! I feel absolutely 100% NOT sorry for Red.

    • @flameshana9
      @flameshana9 5 років тому +147

      You have no idea how little value money has to a huge chunk of people.

    • @marcd7332
      @marcd7332 5 років тому +58

      If you think that’s expensive you should look into movie production budgets

    • @michelbruns
      @michelbruns 5 років тому +21

      Trung Lê Quốc People are also ok with the Camera Price 50k etc. which is just over exaggerated because the thing it self would cost.. like always.. only a few 100$

    • @wojciechmuras553
      @wojciechmuras553 5 років тому +137

      *APPLE HAS JOINED THE CHAT*

    • @dork5456
      @dork5456 5 років тому +38

      They're marketing it to commercial production studios. That's why they can mark up the prices.

  • @DragonNexus
    @DragonNexus 4 роки тому +2569

    "Red claims this is to protect the user from accidental deletions"
    *Off camers scoffing laugh*

    • @JMPERager
      @JMPERager 4 роки тому +74

      RED: Protects users from accidentally deleting files.
      Also RED: Puts that very same data at risk to save money.
      Perfectly legal con artists.

    • @comicsansgreenkirby
      @comicsansgreenkirby 4 роки тому +2

      Nice catch

    • @BinkSayres
      @BinkSayres 4 роки тому +1

      good catch

    • @emranhossain893
      @emranhossain893 4 роки тому +1

      Stupid people and big corporations. Those CEO'S gotta get outrageous bonus with tax breaks!!!

    • @trashcaster
      @trashcaster 3 роки тому +1

      @@JMPERager Not to mention, now you can delete ALL your data with a button press, rather than 1 video.

  • @vwabi
    @vwabi 4 роки тому +2326

    Jinnimag: "Red is selling crappy 480GB SSD's for 1400 dollars!"
    Linus: "No, Red is selling **regular** 480GB SSD's for 1400 dollars."

    • @mesicek7
      @mesicek7 3 роки тому +150

      It is crappy since it's fucking low end tier. They're basically selling you old Crucial ssd drives instead of top tier Samsung's

    • @crispylizard8295
      @crispylizard8295 3 роки тому +116

      @@mesicek7 even top tier samsungs wouldn't be worth it hell intel sells fucking OPTANE pci-e 480gb ssd's for $850, $550 less then RED's regular 480gb SSD's

    • @wta1518
      @wta1518 3 роки тому +13

      @@mesicek7 no, they're selling them for about 3x the price of an Optane SSD.

    • @Sabrintwitt3r
      @Sabrintwitt3r 3 роки тому +6

      I mean, the SKU that Linus has is MLC, not TLC which is used nearly everywhere now (not accounting for new QLCs that have popped up)

    • @da_knug
      @da_knug 3 роки тому +7

      and this jinni idiot is selling his ripoff ssd's for 1000 bucks lmao

  • @jameswhitehead6758
    @jameswhitehead6758 5 років тому +1142

    Future LTT Video:
    Making a RAID 1 M.2 RED Mag replacement.

    • @you900001
      @you900001 5 років тому +56

      This please Linus!

    • @gekkenhuis4863
      @gekkenhuis4863 5 років тому +21

      Do this

    • @Kamiloza
      @Kamiloza 5 років тому +6

      This is not possible basicly becouse (as far as i know) there is nothing that its have RAID controller on this form factor that can fit into camera's MAG's enclosure.

    • @rawdez_
      @rawdez_ 5 років тому +31

      @@Kamiloza it doesn't have to

    • @dawidmx
      @dawidmx 5 років тому +23

      ​@@Kamiloza it could be made longer with some sort of ribbon cable connecting the drives inside

  • @travisbounds4746
    @travisbounds4746 5 років тому +942

    I love Pissed off Linus, he's had a gripe with Red for years! but he's right to point out their BS

    • @whiskeyjuliet
      @whiskeyjuliet 5 років тому +14

      Full Linus sass engaged

    • @squirrelhallowino29
      @squirrelhallowino29 5 років тому +1

      i love sass linus

    • @Palligretar
      @Palligretar 5 років тому

      Sassy Linus is why I wake up every day.

    • @fithos65
      @fithos65 5 років тому +7

      You can see the rage filled nuclear meltdown just below the surface, especially toward the end lol. I don't blame him

    • @5at5una
      @5at5una 5 років тому

      *looking at Apple and Intel

  • @maxj9204
    @maxj9204 4 роки тому +955

    Appreciate the more objective, neutral take on the whole situation. Hard to come by nowadays.

  • @duncantalksalotmore5032
    @duncantalksalotmore5032 4 роки тому +1845

    Jinni: Red’s bad!
    Red: No u
    Linus: I’m about to end these men’s whole careers.

    • @juicyjay3338
      @juicyjay3338 4 роки тому +2

      not

    • @chubbyadler3276
      @chubbyadler3276 3 роки тому +4

      Grammar Nazi: *mens'--Apostrophe after the S.

    • @Snowaxe3D
      @Snowaxe3D 3 роки тому +1

      @@chubbyadler3276 Another Grammar Nazi : *Man's -- its singular,

    • @chubbyadler3276
      @chubbyadler3276 3 роки тому +6

      @@Snowaxe3D Context is plural, though.

    • @rivenissmart
      @rivenissmart 3 роки тому +4

      @@chubbyadler3276 men is plural of man, therefore it's "men's" or "these men their".

  • @motoranticsnick
    @motoranticsnick 5 років тому +1663

    Me: why is the mag so expensive
    Red : you gotta pay for the repair for when it breaks.
    Me : but I haven’t even bought it yet
    Red : ItS gOINg to BrEaK

    • @skipatrolslayer
      @skipatrolslayer 5 років тому +14

      Reminds me of the John Pinette you gotta buy the warranty bit, lol.

    • @alidan
      @alidan 5 років тому +21

      cost of data recovery built in... more reason to go black magic

    • @hankbizzo5
      @hankbizzo5 5 років тому +31

      Think they call it Apple logic..

    • @Utopik5
      @Utopik5 5 років тому +2

      I wanted to upvote your comment but it has 666 likes.
      I hope it stays that way.
      Why?
      For the glory of Satan of course!

    • @TinchoX
      @TinchoX 5 років тому

      Yeah, basically

  • @Barrydick186
    @Barrydick186 5 років тому +1812

    $20 ssd in a 50k camera. How many millions did they spend on RnD to make that decision.

    • @abhilashmridha420
      @abhilashmridha420 5 років тому +86

      They say a few millions lol.

    • @RonLaws
      @RonLaws 5 років тому +46

      About the price of a Starbucks coffee. (over said coffee)

    • @ElZamo92
      @ElZamo92 5 років тому +96

      Well, someone over at RED must have spent a couple million of their brain cells trying to look for a valid reason to sell $20 SSDs at a 5000% markup.

    • @OkOk-tu3gc
      @OkOk-tu3gc 5 років тому +43

      Wait 1tb ssd for 20 usd?
      Buy me some of those ssd's.

    • @ninethirtyone4264
      @ninethirtyone4264 5 років тому +64

      @@OkOk-tu3gc absolutely, if you buy few hundreds/thousands of them.

  • @PhaktTheIsolationist
    @PhaktTheIsolationist 4 роки тому +5751

    Wait, RED charge $1450 for a 480gb ssd? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    • @MrTarmonbarry
      @MrTarmonbarry 4 роки тому +499

      plus tax , hahahahaha

    • @omalakastisgitonias
      @omalakastisgitonias 4 роки тому +831

      well at least it comes with an adapter and 2 pieces of aluminum XD this reminds me of Apple, "BUY A MAC FOR 5000$ AND PAY 1000$ MORE TO MAKE IT STAND" hahahaha

    • @anothernoob9110
      @anothernoob9110 4 роки тому +81

      @@omalakastisgitonias That MAc actually has a reason tho, the standard price for the ''default'' configuration of the industry that that Mac was selling itself towards is 18k dollars minimum, managing to match in quality to that standard(if they actually do, but alas) in just 5k dollars is a big fucking deal. And the 1k stand would be the support fees.

    • @omalakastisgitonias
      @omalakastisgitonias 4 роки тому +187

      @@anothernoob9110 dude, these guys at LMG ran a way better tower config with mac os at way less the cost. plus, i would be ok with the mac plus and the mac stand being that pricy IF they could actually get it right bcz i've seen 99% of all who own a mac and stand fall apart.

    • @nageen123naz
      @nageen123naz 4 роки тому +15

      @@omalakastisgitonias lol the display is 5k the mac will be another 6-30k

  • @SatireDaily
    @SatireDaily 4 роки тому +468

    we bought a red package in 2014 for around 62K. 4 years later it all sold for under 20K.... Never buying red again.

    • @1david1r47
      @1david1r47 4 роки тому +19

      dollars, kroner or vietnamese dong

    • @matesaktesak
      @matesaktesak 3 роки тому +31

      I never bought a RED camera obviously - but it looks like they loose their value about 5 times faster than Arri

    • @akanta5746
      @akanta5746 3 роки тому +17

      @@matesaktesak yeah, because arri is more expensive and high quality. Although red still loses value less than other camera makers like sony or fujifilm

    • @matesaktesak
      @matesaktesak 3 роки тому +1

      @@akanta5746 very true

    • @zephyrus001
      @zephyrus001 3 роки тому +1

      Index funds...

  • @TheArtsOfSense
    @TheArtsOfSense 5 років тому +4681

    Linus in about 1 week: How to build your own RED MAG for a tenth of the cost!

    • @JoelRavier
      @JoelRavier 5 років тому +136

      I would love to see this

    • @Dream0Asylum
      @Dream0Asylum 5 років тому +171

      Since it's a pin-to-pin adapter, I imagine it won't be that hard to fit almost anything in. Hell, throw in a little cabling and you could have virtually unlimited access to a RAID'ed 4 TB and up.

    • @JamesBalazs
      @JamesBalazs 5 років тому +189

      @@Dream0Asylum yeah I'd pay to see Linus hook 4TB+ of RAID 10'd SSDs up to a RED camera, seems right up his alley

    • @sainsay
      @sainsay 5 років тому +87

      @@Dream0Asylum FAT32 is not only limited to 4gb per file but also to a max disk/partition size of 2TB ;)

    • @dco5055
      @dco5055 5 років тому +46

      He has a 3D printer build a adapter with extension ribbon then if he could find off the shelf mini raid controller where he can put 2 in raid and trick the camera thinking it's one. Then they would float in a 3d case outside the camera. Just to prove to Red there doing it wrong or how "easy it is".

  • @jjjhhhmmmxxx26
    @jjjhhhmmmxxx26 5 років тому +906

    I work in the medical device industry and this practice of "transformative" tech is so common for medical device companies to markup their prices on simple things. To call out the most egregious example is Nihon Koden. They sell patient monitoring systems that save patient vitals to an SD card. The "NK approved SD card" is a 1 GB Toshiba SD card with no special firmware or physical differences than a standard card. They charge around $150 per card when a similar one can be bought for $6. "Well if there is no blocks to using a different SD card, why don't you?" Well it _would work_ , but if a patient ever passes on an NK machine, the SD card would get blamed as a modification to the OEM's device, leading to legal trouble.

    • @TomasOBrien
      @TomasOBrien 5 років тому +104

      jjjhhhmmmxxx26 I think that’s what a lot of people don’t understand about “mission critical” or “professional” gear. You aren’t so much buying the thing as you are buying the fringe benefits of the thing. If you run a company that produces a good or a service, facing litigation due to any degree of short-cut taking is no-no.

    • @yedoom
      @yedoom 5 років тому +123

      That's wild. Especially for an industry that really shouldn't be all about profit margins.

    • @aussiegruber86
      @aussiegruber86 5 років тому +152

      @@yedoom I do work for the medical industry as well, it's all about profits. Massive profits

    • @StephenButlerOne
      @StephenButlerOne 5 років тому +37

      @@aussiegruber86 an insurance funded system. No one that buys the overpriced crap is actually paying for it themselves, so cost isn't their first priority. It's what back handed perks they can get.
      Same with civil service rolls.

    • @karade
      @karade 5 років тому +16

      @@TomasOBrien Yep, it's paying for the guarantee that this product has been tested and certified to work as expected. The other thing I imagine they are worried about is if someone gets a class 3 sd card when their device requires a class 10. They both say toshiba on it so the guy purchasing it doesn't understand why it shouldn't work. By forcing the sale they're guaranteeing a certified product is being used. 10 x mark up is ridiculous though, that cost should be rolled into the purchase of the machine, not the sd card.

  • @NetRolller3D
    @NetRolller3D 4 роки тому +324

    Seriously? Requiring a full format everytime you want to delete a single file, just because you (RED) don't know how to do TRIM properly (or cheaped out so hard as to pick an SSD without TRIM support)?!

    • @alexandercirstea4911
      @alexandercirstea4911 4 роки тому +67

      well not really, it's more like: RED knows their basic SSD's are weak/wear out easily and so decided to limit their users in such a way that their fancy ass "mags" don't break as easily.

    • @janludwig7286
      @janludwig7286 3 роки тому +12

      The intended user don't care one bit. When you work on a professional film set you never delete a take on set. It's just to big of a risk that you delete the wrong file and you also don't have the time for that. It's just so much cheaper to swap out the card when it is full instead of reviewing all clips and deciding which ones you might not need anymore.

    • @yufeipan5989
      @yufeipan5989 3 роки тому +12

      @@janludwig7286 no but a feature is a feature is a feature. not needing it in normal circumstances do not mean it is never needed. Layers after layer of confirmation screen is "preventing accidental deletion" but using proprietary interface that is as slow as sata means not getting a shot or wasting time in production in order to offload all the files off to another storage media then format the mag if the mag is about full and there is several out takes and good takes already done. I can see this being super annoying when you have to guess how many takes you would do to get the final shot then ask the finance to buy you 1500 or 3000 dollar megS (and without redundancy

    • @janludwig7286
      @janludwig7286 3 роки тому +2

      @@yufeipan5989 You don't waste time offloading cards, normally you just quickly back them up with special software or a hardware device, which takes a couple off minutes and then you send the physical cards to editorial, where they are backed up again and ingested into the NLE. You just take enough cards do it isn't a problem. For the last film we had cards for 10-20 days, depending on schedule, so you are never in a position where you delete individual clips.

  • @bobbihansel
    @bobbihansel 3 роки тому +34

    As someone who recently experienced a complete failure on a brand new 960 whilst shooting a Netflix original and I'm STILL fighting for repair or replacement, this video makes me really freaking mad.

  • @ModernAtomX
    @ModernAtomX 5 років тому +684

    I remember when Corridor Digital put out a video saying you knew absolutely nothing about your RED rant when you put it out, and a big thing they complained about was how you were talking about how ridiculous the redmags are. They said that you knew nothing about how expensive movie shots need on reliable storage mediums so they won't get lost, and they remarked that the Red mags were always reliable and that RED would recover all the data if the device corrupted. I think it's kinda funny how they flexed their 6 year RED ownership badge and were still wrong about their stuff.

    • @ZeldagigafanMatthew
      @ZeldagigafanMatthew 5 років тому +88

      RED can tout their data recovery all they want, but that is still downtime for the studio, and down time is something that is almost NEVER tolerated. Movie studios may do a reshoot, or have multiple cameras on the shoot in case of a drive failure. Sure, it may not be exactly what the director wanted, but for those shots that can only be pulled off once due to set damage, time spent reassembling the set is time that could be better spent elsewhere.

    • @Folsomdsf2
      @Folsomdsf2 5 років тому +79

      @@ZeldagigafanMatthew RED can't tout data recovery. Most data recovery is done by random shops in the vicinity. Again, there's no special sauce in here, if your ssd fails you go to.. actual people who do data recovery, not RED. Because yo uneed it done NOW.

    • @TheFPSPower
      @TheFPSPower 5 років тому +4

      @@Folsomdsf2 Yeah, but RED is the one who pays for it I'm guessing...

    • @oBCHANo
      @oBCHANo 5 років тому +37

      Corridor digital are ignorant, but what can you expect from UA-cam "filmmakers".

    • @warasilawombat
      @warasilawombat 5 років тому +43

      Sky Aklost I dunno, they definitely have a good appreciation for what photorealistic lighting cues will make a scene look bad, a good handle on animation skills, and they use a lot more than AE. Maybe not Hollywood professionals per-say, but they can make damn good shots either way.

  • @gk2011
    @gk2011 5 років тому +1924

    I like how this entire video was just "I brought this up years ago, and the entire community are idiots."
    10/10 Would watch Linus Roast again

    • @bukenyaephraim771
      @bukenyaephraim771 5 років тому +2

      i just did hahaha

    • @krane15
      @krane15 5 років тому +6

      He owns REDs, so what does that make him?

    • @RobertPendell
      @RobertPendell 5 років тому +109

      @@krane15 That makes him someone who knew exactly what he was getting and was willing to shell out for good product but didn't really make a stink about it when he knew full well that there was more typical tech present in the memory cards.

    • @MrTarmonbarry
      @MrTarmonbarry 5 років тому +2

      @@krane15 An ass??

    • @MrTarmonbarry
      @MrTarmonbarry 5 років тому +1

      @@RobertPendell yes , did not want to admit he had been scammed . sad man. i used to like watching his stuff but he has lost all integrity

  • @Ayoub-pt4nm
    @Ayoub-pt4nm 4 роки тому +660

    samsung: sells good SSD's for a low price
    RED: wait, thats illigal!!

    • @imnotsure3674
      @imnotsure3674 4 роки тому +3

      Ayoub illi wat

    • @ElZamo92
      @ElZamo92 4 роки тому

      IllEgal

    • @Ayoub-pt4nm
      @Ayoub-pt4nm 4 роки тому

      @@ElZamo92 yes I know, it was I typo

    • @methanesulfonic
      @methanesulfonic 4 роки тому +4

      WD has way cheaper SSD with decent speed

    • @PabzRoz
      @PabzRoz 4 роки тому

      illigal? did you have a stroke?

  • @hamishtacuri2331
    @hamishtacuri2331 4 роки тому +60

    I love that not even Linus or his team had the heart to actually put the camera or mini mag links into the description and instead just put a general link to "digital cameras" 10/10.

  • @FlipDeRiviera
    @FlipDeRiviera 5 років тому +743

    So, a low cost consumer SSD in a fancy box for $2,350.00 , and doesn’t even have redundancy.
    That’s a really huge margin profit.

    • @christianpermalino9304
      @christianpermalino9304 5 років тому +163

      Red: The Apple Of Cameras

    • @qerlak
      @qerlak 5 років тому +106

      Christian Permalino lol these make Apple SSD upgrades look like a killer deal.

    • @jeevana.6391
      @jeevana.6391 5 років тому +108

      You could afford a 960gb 970 pro AND a monitor stand for the price of a RED mag

    • @qerlak
      @qerlak 5 років тому +11

      Jeevan A. LOL GOOD ONE!

    • @MikeMartin-ot9ic
      @MikeMartin-ot9ic 5 років тому +55

      I wouldn't even refer to it as a profit margin. That's just plain thievery.

  • @Mionwang
    @Mionwang 5 років тому +1216

    I knew it'd be basically a rebranded ssd but I was expecting something like a high end samsung SSD.

    • @ghostkilla931
      @ghostkilla931 5 років тому +82

      I know. I put an EVO 860 in my PS4. i cant even sip some water before my games load.

    • @AG.Floats
      @AG.Floats 5 років тому +51

      Linus blink twice if you are being payed out by RED right now

    • @matteo_cia
      @matteo_cia 5 років тому +4

      Yes but actually no

    • @ebattleon
      @ebattleon 5 років тому +40

      @@AG.Floats You watched the Vid to the end right?

    • @Draugo
      @Draugo 5 років тому +6

      Why bay for high end when you get a higher markup with the shit tier

  • @Mathaeuz
    @Mathaeuz 4 роки тому +64

    11:40 that short background laugh from someone in the crew and Linus containing his own laugh afterwards. G O L D

    • @GarrisonFall
      @GarrisonFall 4 роки тому +1

      Wow, you have good hearing (or my speakers are cheap rubbish).

  • @legominimovieproductions
    @legominimovieproductions 4 роки тому +507

    Next Week: Red cameras are actually Iphones with fance housing and adapters XD

    • @B0Sajwah
      @B0Sajwah 4 роки тому +3

      Killed me haha

    • @thesuperstar4470
      @thesuperstar4470 4 роки тому +7

      Lego Mini Movie Productions sorry red cameras are actually Chinese smart phones with fancy housing and adapters 😌😏

    • @Legiro
      @Legiro 4 роки тому +4

      @@thesuperstar4470 The irony would be if Apple also made their phones in China. Imagine the odds of that happening to truly make it funny.

    • @thesuperstar4470
      @thesuperstar4470 4 роки тому

      Legiro let me tell you one thing Apple is different and red is different Apple is far better than red if we do comparison, red is also a scam you can see that how they cheat people using normal msata card and telling everyone that it’s a proprietary red card. Whereas Apple don’t do such things at least they don’t scam people they have got good team you can see their iOS OS and one of the biggest corporation in the world if Apple wants they can make their own camera department

    • @Legiro
      @Legiro 4 роки тому +7

      @@thesuperstar4470 Planned obsolescence, attempts to hinder 3rd party repairs, exorbitant 1st party repair/replacement prices with subpar services offered for the premium costing goods is not a scam? Now I've heard everything. Also, you do realize that the only real Apple thing about Apple products are the build and the apps, not the components? I mean, surely many would buy a camera branded with Apple logo on it. Wouldn't change the fact that it would consist of entirely not Apple proprietary tech, because R&D-ing your entrance into such industry is insane costs. So... basically they would do the same thing - they would brand their products, ramp up the price to a premium, 4-10 times more than production costs, and sell it to customers. Which is basically what they are doing. Granted, they have rather interesting program and OS solutions. But so does the Red, ironically enough.

  • @evil1knight
    @evil1knight 5 років тому +765

    See im surprised red doesn’t have duel card slot because then people would have to buy 2 $2k ssds

    • @bigdrill8881
      @bigdrill8881 5 років тому +15

      dual

    • @cyrkielnetwork
      @cyrkielnetwork 5 років тому +37

      Fear not! They will release new version with this "revolutionary" feature at some point, and it will be cost only 20% more. Ofcourse old Mags will not work, and you have to buy new, "better" sets :D

    • @Utkarsh_A
      @Utkarsh_A 5 років тому +4

      Well if they had a Dual card solution they wouldn't have to factor in the cost of Data Recovery on the SSD's as you'll have redundancy but then how is RED gonna make profit on the people who's SSD's don't fail.

    • @EvanAust
      @EvanAust 5 років тому +11

      @@bigdrill8881 No wait, he's onto something with duel... The stronger defeats the weaker, forcing you to buy a new one to replace the pathetic weak card.

    • @minbcraft
      @minbcraft 5 років тому

      @@EvanAust lmao

  • @globbaslobba
    @globbaslobba 5 років тому +1500

    Doesn't come formatted
    wont let you use it until formatted
    makes you do it yourself
    $2250 before tax :)

    • @SiriusXification
      @SiriusXification 5 років тому +72

      That's fine for a pro product tbh.
      Except the mSATA-SSD-For-2150-more-than-market-value part.

    • @TheSpliffinatoR
      @TheSpliffinatoR 5 років тому +4

      And how much will a form-fitted RAID board and double the required storage cost? Yeah....more

    • @SiriusXification
      @SiriusXification 5 років тому +20

      ​@@TheSpliffinatoR I mean, that's a hot glue type solution. RAID should be done onboard the camera, unfortunately it wasn't designed with this feature in mind so you gotta go for a messier solution.
      But playing devil's advocate, even if it were to have it's own standalone controller, it wouldn't cost all that much, logic chips are cheap, especially ones this simple. Most of the costs would be in R&D and integration.

    • @TheSpliffinatoR
      @TheSpliffinatoR 5 років тому +4

      @@SiriusXification Even if it was onboard. When are the R1 consistency checks going to run? Everytime you boot, whenever the user says ok? Plug it in, overnight? Not to mention, R1 will need some ECC to resolve corruption, or go triple redundancy.

    • @SiriusXification
      @SiriusXification 5 років тому +28

      ​@@TheSpliffinatoRLiterally only at write time. This isn't an operating system. Writes should be happening simultaneously from the internal framebuffer to both of the output devices, not whenever the OS feels like it.
      You could pair that up with a simple crc check of a bunch of frames to confirm there isn't massive failure at boot.
      With healthy drives, any inconsistency would result in at worst a hot pixel or something, not sensitive data loss.

  • @stuartcastle2814
    @stuartcastle2814 Рік тому +7

    Just seen this. I used to support a couple of Red cameras. Lovely devices, except for the cost. Every bit of the camera is incredibly expensive.. We spent a small fortune on parts for those cameras.
    Still they are far from the only company. I used to support Sun Workstations (before they merged with Oracle, although I should imagine this still goes on today). One day, we had a CD Rom fail.
    It being a Sun workstation, I couldn't just bung a generic PC CD rom in.. I got a quote for a replacement CD Rom, which I was happy to fit. The quote was around $600 . Having no choice, I got our procurement department to order one. When it turned up a couple of days later, it was clearly a low spec (it was 2x when the standard was 4x) generic SCSI CD Rom that had just been adjusted to report it was a Sun device.

  • @nottsoserious
    @nottsoserious 4 роки тому +255

    RED employee: Boss, this costs us $100 to manufacture. If we count the R&D that went into making this stupid interface, we break even at selling them at $130. What price do we sell them at?
    Boss: Hmm... Let me think.....
    *H O W A B O U T $ 1 5 0 0*

    • @MrJodete23
      @MrJodete23 4 роки тому +45

      Not in a million years does it cost them $100 dollars to manufacture, it's probably more like $30 per unit.

    • @nottsoserious
      @nottsoserious 4 роки тому +13

      @@MrJodete23 makes it even worse then.

    • @rorschacht8478
      @rorschacht8478 3 роки тому +8

      @@MrJodete23 At the most. Probably more like $8 tbh.

    • @iforgotmyusername0
      @iforgotmyusername0 3 роки тому +1

      lol

    • @alexandre3017
      @alexandre3017 3 роки тому +5

      @@rorschacht8478 nah probably $5

  • @SOF006
    @SOF006 5 років тому +2150

    I love how Linus just shot both offenders at point blank range, no prisoners here. You're both guilty as charged lol.

    • @adrianlyons2444
      @adrianlyons2444 5 років тому +32

      Gave em both barrels.

    • @soccerguy2433
      @soccerguy2433 5 років тому +31

      but really just RED is guilty.

    • @ironicbobcat1
      @ironicbobcat1 5 років тому +12

      Why is jinni an offender?

    • @DasGanon
      @DasGanon 5 років тому +41

      @@ironicbobcat1 trying to stir controversy just to get a piece of the pie

    • @caniscerulean
      @caniscerulean 5 років тому +31

      @@ironicbobcat1 They were almost as misleading with their claims, and having this suddenly blow up like this makes it highly suspect as viral marketing. They are also essentially just circumventing the RED proprietary DRM, which has varying degrees of legality and risk to both JInni and consumers. (I'm sure that the RED TOS has a section stating that using any 3rd party media voids all warranties and they won't even consider recovery, etc for media failures, even if it was caused by their own hardware)

  • @m_s7155
    @m_s7155 5 років тому +1289

    I love when Linus rips into a company that sorta has it coming

    • @RudraJain
      @RudraJain 5 років тому

      Hi

    • @yaseennazim8895
      @yaseennazim8895 5 років тому

      Rudra Jain Hi

    • @RudraJain
      @RudraJain 5 років тому

      @@yaseennazim8895 How Are You?

    • @cclacss
      @cclacss 5 років тому +3

      what did you say again? @ Corridor Crew ua-cam.com/video/fuSJ5k1orBk/v-deo.html

    • @friswy1483
      @friswy1483 5 років тому +4

      @@cclacss lol that was a horrible video, kinda proved him right

  • @iAPX432
    @iAPX432 4 роки тому +19

    On PRO equipement, SSD controllers should be able to read back the written data to detect flash failure, rewrite data on another Page and/or signal the failure.

    • @MrKinir
      @MrKinir 4 роки тому +1

      Isn't that kind of data integrity check implemented inside the ssd controller already?

  • @Vikash137
    @Vikash137 4 роки тому +322

    I love when Linus rips into these rediculous companies and their crazy stupid prices then goes back and buy said stuff

    • @cypherusuh
      @cypherusuh 4 роки тому +87

      He's not the kind of guy who boycott something when he doesn't like it. He did the review professionally and left the conclusion to the viewer. The old standard of journalism

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc 4 роки тому +5

      But why wouldn't he choose to pay less? That doesn't need him to "boycott" anything or anyone, just shop around.

    • @cypherusuh
      @cypherusuh 4 роки тому +16

      @@mal2ksc most likely because at the time, there's no other storage that's compatible with the camera

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc 4 роки тому +1

      But we're talking about his buying habits _now,_ not when Red was the only game in town.

    • @cypherusuh
      @cypherusuh 4 роки тому

      @@mal2ksc idk. need to asks him at twitter

  • @TheAlienGangster
    @TheAlienGangster 5 років тому +1350

    I think the conversation will blow up after THIS video Linus

    • @lockinhinddanger934
      @lockinhinddanger934 5 років тому +8

      im pretty sure light will not prevail kizaru

    • @TheAlienGangster
      @TheAlienGangster 5 років тому +6

      Now I’m wondering if these likes are because of my username/picture or the actual comment.

    • @lockinhinddanger934
      @lockinhinddanger934 5 років тому +7

      @@TheAlienGangster username, and picture XD

    • @BrunoCunha88
      @BrunoCunha88 5 років тому

      hope so lol

    • @zandatsu07
      @zandatsu07 5 років тому +1

      can you do Light speed kick?

  • @whitekingbleach9720
    @whitekingbleach9720 5 років тому +1522

    So basically, Red is upselling old tech SSD with DRM, formatted with fat32.

    • @necromax13
      @necromax13 5 років тому +60

      Yep.

    • @dog61
      @dog61 5 років тому +24

      Well, yeah, pretty much.

    • @2lturbo
      @2lturbo 4 роки тому +35

      Setting a user writable value in a SMART register in not DRM

    • @loreaver3882
      @loreaver3882 4 роки тому +1

      as long as the price is reasonable

    • @abafoon604
      @abafoon604 4 роки тому +44

      @@loreaver3882 it's not

  • @maulerrw
    @maulerrw 4 роки тому +3

    13:30
    That's bang on the money. It's cheaper for them to "generously" provide data recovery for a small percentage of cases than make every single unit actually commercial grade with redundant measures.
    That's assuming the data is recovered.
    And to be fair, if they don't want to do that that's fine.
    But don't demand insane prices for something probably less reliable than my samsung ssd I bought from any random store.

  • @jeremymdgt
    @jeremymdgt 4 роки тому +5

    Lotta respect to the way this video was framed. Good job.

  • @chonkypotat4226
    @chonkypotat4226 5 років тому +1052

    You know, Ive always seen Linus frustrated at the way companies handle their tech (Eg: Apple)
    But in this video, I could feel his anger at RED through his expressions, It was honestly nice to see him mad at their shitty way of handling things.

    • @ISWYDTOR
      @ISWYDTOR 5 років тому +34

      search for "LTT RED", you'll get to see just about how frustrated he is with RED cameras.

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem 5 років тому

      Yash Mathur
      What you do here, honestly?? mad! Why you use RED?
      ProRes 4444 XQ? apple you meant?
      shitty way of handling things??

    • @parranoic
      @parranoic 5 років тому +2

      What I see is someone who tries to defend a big company and who was forced by its viewers to make this video

    • @pixelcat_yt
      @pixelcat_yt 5 років тому +33

      @@parranoic He isn't really defending it. He's defending neither of the parties.

    • @LimPu
      @LimPu 5 років тому +16

      @@parranoic he? Defending? Have you even seen the whole video or did you just watch the first minutes and then jumped to a conclusion? Like Donald Trump I mean...

  • @chris7jakarta
    @chris7jakarta 5 років тому +3442

    who else felt ripped off, but don't even own a RED camera?

    • @needlessToo
      @needlessToo 5 років тому +278

      Apple customers.

    • @microtasker
      @microtasker 5 років тому +35

      It's honestly the camera equivalent of a Ferrari, if you get pissed that a replacement key costs you $500, you don't even deserve to have it.

    • @rve420
      @rve420 5 років тому +183

      @@microtasker heh, "deserve".

    • @xXshadow223Xx
      @xXshadow223Xx 5 років тому +106

      @@microtasker oof. Wrong choice of words bucko.

    • @arahman56
      @arahman56 5 років тому +179

      @@microtasker At least Ferraris aren't just standard cars with a paintover.

  • @iankillingsley6486
    @iankillingsley6486 4 роки тому +160

    I switched to BlackMagic years ago. But owning the Red gets you jobs.

    • @spreaddeezhazelnutz7511
      @spreaddeezhazelnutz7511 4 роки тому +48

      Ian Killingsley Dude, BlackMagic is dope. My favorite thing they make is their software.....Davinci Resolve is a fantastic piece of software. I’d take it over Adobe Premier any day of the week, that and it’s only a flat payment unlike Adobe’s retarded-ass subscription bullshit. Even the free version of Resolve is packed with a ton of features.

    • @nerdyneedsalife8315
      @nerdyneedsalife8315 4 роки тому +24

      @@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511 But like Ian said Red gets you job. I'm not in this profession but in any type of client-based job your equipment's image is more important than yours. It doesn't matter if Blackmagic stuff is better than Red because clients don't know nor care to learn. It's like how people buy a Mac even if they don't like Apple because you won't be taken seriously with an HP or Lenovo.

    • @spreaddeezhazelnutz7511
      @spreaddeezhazelnutz7511 4 роки тому +14

      nerdyneedsalife That’s the sad and unfortunate truth.

    • @nerdyneedsalife8315
      @nerdyneedsalife8315 4 роки тому +7

      @@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511 Again I'm not in the profession so I have no money to back my statements but the only way to change it is to continue using the device you use. Let your work speak for itself and if it's good, the clients won't care how you made it.

    • @nerdyneedsalife8315
      @nerdyneedsalife8315 4 роки тому

      @@vlc-cosplayer Did I mention HP?

  • @Rillean
    @Rillean 4 роки тому +36

    Can we get a comparison between RED and Blackmagic Design?

  • @zeusgaming4946
    @zeusgaming4946 5 років тому +673

    Linus: *Pulls out the sweet iFixit kit*
    Me: Oh here comes a smooth segue to iFixit!!
    Linus: CORSAIR!!

    • @lootplx
      @lootplx 5 років тому +35

      marketing genius! got you to think about two brands for the price of one sponsor.

    • @cogito451
      @cogito451 5 років тому +4

      *segue

    • @lockinhinddanger934
      @lockinhinddanger934 5 років тому +5

      @@sithlordgaming6692 I FIXED SO MUCH OF HIS STUFF! HE OWES ME ONE! -ifixit

    • @syntaxvrc
      @syntaxvrc 5 років тому +4

      honestly, "brought to you by" is probably the best segue tbh

    • @arthurg5966
      @arthurg5966 5 років тому +2

      There was a sponsored video by some pc maker like Pegasus by linus, the entire video was sponsored and it also had 2 sponsors.

  • @YellowYT
    @YellowYT 5 років тому +642

    Who thought the sponsor was going to be ifixit for a second?

  • @dr.noodles4868
    @dr.noodles4868 5 років тому

    What an awesome segment! Nice break down of all the bits

  • @drewtlau
    @drewtlau 5 років тому +136

    Arri still wins...and so does Blackmagic...i see no point in using a red except for bragging rights on false sensor resolution

    • @ignacymat
      @ignacymat 4 роки тому +15

      Arri is a different class, IMO C200 Canon just killed the REDs

    • @drewtlau
      @drewtlau 4 роки тому +15

      @@ignacymat definitely, c200 is a documentary king ...basically the best thing next to an Arri...canon is reliable and compatible...and its just so good

    • @chakpuia
      @chakpuia 4 роки тому

      👍

    • @jingtianwang9793
      @jingtianwang9793 4 роки тому

      the dark and greddy color science do has some use of it's own

    • @drewtlau
      @drewtlau 4 роки тому +5

      @@jingtianwang9793 tbh... Color science is just not as important as it used to be... digital raw is so versatile now that you can emulate everything so easily...LUTs are great but however, one thing color science is still important for is Skin tones, skin tones are so hard to nail and Arri is just slaying it in that department, throw any light on the skin, it still comes out pleasant...idk how they do that and its hard to fix that in post... Canon comes close to this except its not as sharp and sometimes becomes too pink for darker skin tones, but RED does mediocre job...sunlight, its Ok but Purple LED light, it still sucks.

  • @batsonelectronics
    @batsonelectronics 5 років тому +615

    Every time Linus waves his hand, some part flies away. I just can't stop laughing.........

    • @NoSkates
      @NoSkates 5 років тому +7

      KARATE CHOP!

    • @cjmayor014
      @cjmayor014 5 років тому +9

      why is this not the top comment?

    • @nissan300zxmike
      @nissan300zxmike 5 років тому

      @@NoSkates SLAPCHOP! lol

    • @NiTeHaWKnz
      @NiTeHaWKnz 5 років тому

      See, bad build quality as well on those mags as well LMAO

    • @cinnabarsin4288
      @cinnabarsin4288 5 років тому +4

      Gotten to the point where he just watches it bounce away without breaking stride in his sentence.

  • @divid3dbyZero
    @divid3dbyZero 5 років тому +500

    I spent millons of dollars in R&D making this comment. How much should I charge people to use it?

    • @aeswere
      @aeswere 5 років тому +34

      tree fiddy

    • @fordesponja
      @fordesponja 5 років тому +3

      *Guldan voice* EEEEVERYTHIIING

    • @MuMix61
      @MuMix61 5 років тому +5

      Shut the f*ck up and take my money

    • @circularrobert
      @circularrobert 5 років тому +4

      As much as you want, as long as you will retrieve my comment if it get's deleted

    • @jubeh
      @jubeh 5 років тому +3

      your comment is nothing but a repackaged and overpriced, standard troll comment. I'll make an exposee video calling you out and sell a competing comment for half the price your comment sells for.

  • @nightshade1807
    @nightshade1807 3 роки тому +1

    An incredible video, great work for the entire team.

  • @gdrriley420
    @gdrriley420 4 роки тому +9

    Condor edited their video attacking Linus making jokes about buying reds. They pulled all mention of media after this came out

  • @FiddyBee
    @FiddyBee 5 років тому +374

    "Millions of dollars in R&D"
    aka
    "I paid myself millions of dollars for saying to sell cheap crap off the shelf for 10x time price."

    • @bren.r
      @bren.r 5 років тому +11

      TheOneAboveAll more like 20-30x

    • @joelurdiales9264
      @joelurdiales9264 5 років тому +1

      Just like Apple.

    • @Hoch134
      @Hoch134 5 років тому +9

      Actually, you get these ssds for $20-$40 if you are buying them in big quantities. Selling something for $2200 that cost you ~$50 for production/importing, would be 44x the price. It's like making a coffee for $0.20 and selling it for $9.

    • @FiddyBee
      @FiddyBee 5 років тому

      @@Hoch134 so they get a 1tb ssd for 20-40 bucks? I'd buy them all at price.

    • @666Tomato666
      @666Tomato666 5 років тому +1

      @@FiddyBee you get then at $40, with minimal QA and at minimal quantity of 100000 units

  • @AntiHamster500
    @AntiHamster500 5 років тому +1712

    *Linus Drop Tips*
    8:37 - Throws mSATA SSD...oops
    12:02 - Karate Chops SSD Interface Adapter

    • @Standbackforscience
      @Standbackforscience 5 років тому +57

      The real reason I'm here.

    • @TUTOSANDROIDtutorialesymas
      @TUTOSANDROIDtutorialesymas 5 років тому +60

      lmAO KARATE CHOPS XD

    • @Nerdthagoras
      @Nerdthagoras 5 років тому +26

      Watching those two back to back had me Lolling so hard I think I finally jostled my kidney stone into my bladder.

    • @deathreus
      @deathreus 5 років тому +5

      Really looks like he did both of those on purpose out of spite for the unnecessary drama, considering all the present satire and triggers like calling SAYTA SAHTA at one point

    • @echoeversky
      @echoeversky 5 років тому +5

      Linus so mad he like drops TWICE!

  • @xjmdm
    @xjmdm 4 роки тому +33

    wow, this channel is really great. i mean, to maintain objectivity with such a subscriber count and revenue is really impressive. keep it up!!!

  • @ksciencebuddy
    @ksciencebuddy 3 роки тому +5

    11:40 the laugh by staff is amazing

  • @spencerholzheimer
    @spencerholzheimer 5 років тому +778

    I didn't know it was possible to be so aggressive while wearing socks and sandals

    • @yazansakran3326
      @yazansakran3326 4 роки тому +3

      And Jorts

    • @ItsByko
      @ItsByko 4 роки тому +3

      First time here? lmao

    • @kael070
      @kael070 4 роки тому +1

      whats wrong with socks and sandals? I never take my damn socks out lol

    • @nou268
      @nou268 4 роки тому

      And being Canadian

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc 4 роки тому +1

      @Gamblingo 225
      Canadians can be plenty aggressive, it's just that sandals and socks are not the trigger. Ice skates are.

  • @Skastrik
    @Skastrik 5 років тому +1208

    Not gonna lie, I thought at first that this was going to be a total shill piece for RED. You really had me in the first half Linus.
    But yeah, this was a good one. Shows multiple angles on the matter. Jinni seems to be creating controversy to sell product which is only possible because RED seems to have a shitty product in the first place.

    • @bobbybologna3029
      @bobbybologna3029 5 років тому +71

      yeah but what exactly is wrong with that? Of course your competitor is going to exploit your weakest link lol that's why you don't do stuff like this and "hope nobody finds out"

    • @seeingblind2
      @seeingblind2 5 років тому +64

      @@bobbybologna3029 I goota say im rooting for Jinny tech.

    • @HeavyRayne
      @HeavyRayne 5 років тому +52

      He was overly critical of Jinni and overly defensive of red imo. Who really cares if Jinni has ulterior motives? Red has been shitty for too long

    • @Voluse
      @Voluse 5 років тому +15

      That's just capitalism baby

    • @SuperShiki666
      @SuperShiki666 5 років тому +23

      I think linus has a love hate relationship with red, they know red has the best cameras but they hate how theyre forced to buy offer priced stuff. I wouldve attacked red too if i was forced to cough up 200k for overpriced camera stuff

  • @tedjohansen1634
    @tedjohansen1634 4 роки тому +80

    Best vide you've made this far, Linus. 100% unbiased perfection.

    • @RannonSi
      @RannonSi 4 роки тому

      Or just biased against both parties! :D

    • @ssuuppeerrbbooyy
      @ssuuppeerrbbooyy 4 роки тому +3

      He calls jinnimag knockoff. How can doing the exact same thing as red result in a knockoff?

  • @guyincognito9410
    @guyincognito9410 4 роки тому +2

    “You reap what you sow” “magic black box marketing” these are the best, most intelligent burns I’ve heard in a while. Great video

  • @dannywinget
    @dannywinget 5 років тому +2723

    I can always rely on Linus to break down the entire scenario and make sense of it all 👏

    • @SirSicCrusader
      @SirSicCrusader 4 роки тому +66

      Yeah... he's always been good at breaking things...

    • @nintySW
      @nintySW 4 роки тому +5

      Sir Sic hahaha, always.

    • @R3NAM3R123
      @R3NAM3R123 4 роки тому +1

      Well more so he's writers...

    • @PKM1010
      @PKM1010 4 роки тому +9

      Except for the silly "nobody is forcing me to buy this" argument like it's just letting bad practices off the hook because nobody is standing there with a gun to your head. I don't care much for the companies' rights to rip their customers off.

    • @jiaxihao1847
      @jiaxihao1847 3 роки тому +1

      ikr

  • @TitanKingMedia
    @TitanKingMedia 5 років тому +565

    I just hope this means we get to see LMG make their own Red Mag since most of it is off the shelf parts! Possibly with RAID 1?

    • @hastypixels
      @hastypixels 5 років тому +18

      Y'know that'd be freakin' interesting.

    • @WillCarterTech
      @WillCarterTech 5 років тому +25

      TitanKingMedia yes!!! I want to see them build a raid 1 solution. That would be sweet!

    • @HDSantosYT
      @HDSantosYT 5 років тому +4

      I don't know how they would even do such a thing but it would be awesome. They would have to basically build a custom RAID controller unless a standalone one exists.

    • @TitanKingMedia
      @TitanKingMedia 5 років тому +7

      @@HDSantosYT go to about 13:45 in the video, they literally explain how to do it. On top of that they did a whole video on their new workshop tools so they have the tech to do it

    • @McGyver777ATGMAIL
      @McGyver777ATGMAIL 5 років тому +1

      You're a fucking genius.

  • @rasdan1192
    @rasdan1192 4 роки тому +15

    It's like printers user protesting why cartridges are overpriced.

    • @fders938
      @fders938 4 роки тому +6

      Because fuck consumer rights

  • @johnbelli9390
    @johnbelli9390 4 роки тому +27

    For the price of the cameras, they couldn't license exFAT? Or even NTFS and license a driver from Paragon for Mac/Linux?

    • @techmage89
      @techmage89 4 роки тому +3

      Actually for video recording, UDF would probably be better (since it's log-structured, which is most efficient for sequential writes).

    • @muhwyndham
      @muhwyndham 3 роки тому

      Or maybe as cheap as raid 1 controller with two ssd in 1 mag for redundancy?

    • @danfuerthgillis4483
      @danfuerthgillis4483 9 днів тому

      @@muhwyndham LMFAO even the ancient P2 cards had that already but using raid 0 for speed. That was a massive scandal back then when people started to open them up and found 4 SDHC basically common off the shelf retail cards in a raid controller. This was a big scandal and Panasonic went into obscurity after this scam as they could not sell their 200$ P2 card as people demanded an explanation.

  • @TVCHLORD
    @TVCHLORD 5 років тому +434

    spend 50k on a camera, get a generic ssd but 10x the price

    • @IhsanAmin
      @IhsanAmin 5 років тому +108

      25x actually.

    • @metalstorm54
      @metalstorm54 5 років тому +2

      That’s the problem. I mean if the equipment can’t be manufactured by someone else such as RTx series, they can charge as much as they want. #shitsmanufacturersaid

    • @peterpain6625
      @peterpain6625 5 років тому +7

      @@metalstorm54 But it can. See Jinnimag. Which is a blatant rip-off of red's ip but i don't really feel sorry for them at all ... red i mean.

    • @dougle03
      @dougle03 5 років тому +6

      Makes you think how overpriced the cameras might be too!

    • @DM-qm5sc
      @DM-qm5sc 5 років тому +4

      Well, you did just buy a camera for 50k sooooo......

  • @romeucapelasa
    @romeucapelasa 5 років тому +2538

    when you see the video at 360p because its brand new

    • @Ethos420
      @Ethos420 5 років тому +8

      Was wondering why this happened 😂

    • @FatassRat69
      @FatassRat69 5 років тому +10

      Its somehow better since it's more special

    • @mnyoupass
      @mnyoupass 5 років тому +12

      I walked downstairs just to watch it on my desktop...Guess I'll watch something else while it finishes processing...

    • @lookeper2
      @lookeper2 5 років тому +8

      this has never happened to me before

    • @TheFrozenSoldier
      @TheFrozenSoldier 5 років тому +1

      Same!

  • @bobbleczar
    @bobbleczar 4 роки тому

    You're candor on this one is outstanding.

  • @83NCO
    @83NCO 4 роки тому +2

    holy its been 2 years since the madboi linus red camera video? D: Also merry christmas

  • @LinxanGC
    @LinxanGC 5 років тому +203

    What you came here for: the Linus dropping things timestamps 1:49, 8:29 & 11:54.
    Bonus: Chipped edges on the mag 13:28 indicating potential droppage.

    • @chetanaik
      @chetanaik 5 років тому +15

      The chipped edges are more likely from fumbling when putting it into the slot I'd imagine.

    • @racrguy
      @racrguy 5 років тому +15

      $2400 for that thing and I’d better be able to take a hammer to it and have it survive.

    • @imaguy123
      @imaguy123 5 років тому +7

      The worn edges are "cosmetic" in design, like 'distressed jeans.' ;) Summer Special! +$499.99 only for this unique RED feature! (limited time only)

    • @finchhawthorne1302
      @finchhawthorne1302 5 років тому +1

      @@racrguy That's a thing that the casing (removed at the begining) legitimately helps with and why basically any storage device proprietary or not that's meant to be added and removed will have one.

  • @SoJa92
    @SoJa92 5 років тому +534

    Those Crucial SSDs in the 480GB mag have a rated TBW of 72TB. For huge files like those used in video recording this is insane. Samsung drives perform 5x better in this regard, RED is intentionally ripping people off by choosing profit margins over quality and reliability.

    • @Daku93
      @Daku93 5 років тому +31

      Kevin Clingerman so you can fully write to them for around 150 times. Probably more, but this is what Crucial guarantees. Lol. What a joke.

    • @ej_tech
      @ej_tech 5 років тому +23

      The 500 GB Crucial MX500 in my PC has a better (180 TB) write endurance than a RED mag!

    • @untildawncrepes
      @untildawncrepes 5 років тому +25

      @@Daku93 Even worse, you'd get half that, since Red requires you to erase the mag before reuse.

    • @Daku93
      @Daku93 5 років тому +15

      Until Dawn Crepes earasing a SSD does not consume a write cycle.

    • @tiemensikma2806
      @tiemensikma2806 5 років тому

      Ive got a crucial m.2 ssd. Around 480gb aswell. Works fine i guess

  • @y1521t21b5
    @y1521t21b5 4 роки тому +1

    11:40 That laugh in the background was such great punctuation ;-)

  • @KentHeckel
    @KentHeckel 4 роки тому +2

    This was very fun to watch as it was borderline in a different language. Nice

  • @Ramkakh
    @Ramkakh 5 років тому +494

    They invested millions on the marketing campaign of the SSD, and maybe 5 or 6 bucks on the engineering.

    • @vikas274
      @vikas274 5 років тому +30

      Yes, those were spent to buy screwdrivers

    • @burp2019
      @burp2019 5 років тому +7

      @@vikas274 and the paint for the case

    • @luckeycat_
      @luckeycat_ 5 років тому +9

      They spent millions (2) on a couple of fancy milling machines and some fancy 3d printers. "Let's make test samples with these and say we spent millions on R&D." 😂

    • @simonair
      @simonair 5 років тому

      Engineering? I thought they just did some fancy milling and added an adpter.

    • @jamestomato1744
      @jamestomato1744 4 роки тому +2

      Did they graduate from the Beats school of product design, and manufacturing?

  • @theonlyxbox360
    @theonlyxbox360 5 років тому +97

    the way linus aptly put his "switch gears" approach to the video was grand, this was a very well scripted episode! to be honest the way it played out was like a teacher talking to two children, talking first to the child that punched back, and then turning to the one who instigated and made the situation what it was and being like "now listen here you little shit" xD

  • @shreyaspranesh457
    @shreyaspranesh457 4 роки тому +2

    11:36 at the end of his line, that background laugh got me so hard😂😂

  • @MackDaddi
    @MackDaddi 5 років тому +5

    Tech Judge Linus : "Red, You are reaping what you've sown" -- Shots fired, shots fired.

  • @benxgaming3484
    @benxgaming3484 5 років тому +74

    I applaud Linus's willingness to both defend and criticize red in order to give us the cold hard truth.

    • @wpgspecb
      @wpgspecb 5 років тому +4

      Transparency is beautiful

  • @balitheking1
    @balitheking1 5 років тому +639

    @12:47
    Red: Data recovery at no cost
    Also Red: Data recovery rolled into the price of purchase
    Contradicting themselves. It ain't at no cost if you charge the customers in advance.

    • @KeppyKep
      @KeppyKep 5 років тому +14

      You can't reasonably criticise red for that.
      Virtually every product and service in the world has 'free' things included. These are all accounted for in the cost of the product. In most cases, that would be the basic warranty. Certain products and services have more than the basic warranty included for 'free' where the cost is obviously included in the base fee.
      Hotels offering 'free' wi-fi is an example that instantly comes to mind.
      Saying 'free' and technically meaning 'no additional cost' to something attached to a product is a perfectly normal and accepted practice.

    • @eddien2145
      @eddien2145 5 років тому +12

      @@KeppyKep Or stores that offer "Free" parking. I think the best term to use is complimentary, RED offer complimentary data recovery that is subsidised when you purchase the card.
      Still does't change the fact that having no redundancy in a camera that can be filming several thousand dollar shots is ridiculous. Especially when competitors offer redundancy for a hell of a lot cheaper.

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera 5 років тому +1

      "Free with purchase"

    • @volundrfrey896
      @volundrfrey896 5 років тому +10

      That's how "at no cost"-services works. Wait till you hear about how "free shipping" is paid for.

    • @rohithkumarsp
      @rohithkumarsp 5 років тому +1

      Recovers at no cost but at the cost of your data and fucking time and resources that you spent on recovering it. It's now like that moment returns again even if you want to shoot it again.

  • @JimTomatore
    @JimTomatore 4 роки тому

    Videos like this are why I love your channel.

  • @BTheEPIC
    @BTheEPIC 4 роки тому +8

    I love how he is giving a tutorial of how to take it apart like we own one 😂

  • @PaladinLostHour
    @PaladinLostHour 5 років тому +756

    Now create your own Red Mini-Mag out of a million micro-SD cards.

    • @mr.kenway4554
      @mr.kenway4554 5 років тому +87

      *Kingston screaming in the distance*

    • @TylerDoingWork
      @TylerDoingWork 5 років тому +9

      you can buy 1tb sd cards. only for a small price of about 400$

    • @kiplinght
      @kiplinght 5 років тому +24

      Raid floppies

    • @TylerDoingWork
      @TylerDoingWork 5 років тому +10

      @@kiplinght i can just imagine the sounds of all those drives in a raid array. That would be amazing.

    • @nissan300zxmike
      @nissan300zxmike 5 років тому +1

      Red Mini-Mag now with "Revolutionary" RGB ... lol

  • @hlonghi
    @hlonghi 5 років тому +369

    Jinni: Charges with his cavalry of pissed off consumers
    Red: Charges with his cavalry of templar fanboys
    Everybody:
    Linus: **Carpet bombs everything**
    Red & Jinni: :o

    • @darthkarl99
      @darthkarl99 5 років тому +5

      This needs more upvotes. badly.

    • @neilbru
      @neilbru 5 років тому +4

      Spot on.

    • @joenicklo8174
      @joenicklo8174 5 років тому

      Best post right here.

    • @hyakinthos_0902
      @hyakinthos_0902 5 років тому

      pickachu face

    • @mikea7762
      @mikea7762 5 років тому

      This video left me a bit confused, probably because I had no clue of this whole Jinny tech thing etc till I saw Linus’s video. Now it seems that Linus is taking extra precaution to ensure this situation does not spiral into the knock-off mag guy’s favor, but after having watched a few minutes of Jinnytech video I am confused. Jinny tech seems adamant that RED is doing something clearly illegal (if anyone has seen the guy cites some federal laws and shit, so he acts like he has a strong case?) by saying the mags are made in USA. So you might expect Linus to clear this up but at 7:45 he says “no foul play” then backs off from that? so is RED doing something wrong or not, Linus? Also, at the start of the video around 3:45 to 4:10 Linus clearly seems to imply that Jinnytech’s claim that the mags are prone to failure and shitty are flawed, and how it does not “necessarily” mean so, then towards the end he completely shits on the way RED goes about doing things and highlights how it causes loss of productivity.

  • @draconious4005
    @draconious4005 4 роки тому +3

    Gotta love it whenever you've been complaining about a problem for years and everyone just now catches on

  • @RookieRay
    @RookieRay 4 роки тому +6

    Linus held it together until the THANXX at the end 😂

  • @TheRealShedLife
    @TheRealShedLife 5 років тому +283

    "Once the illusion fails, people feel justifiably betrayed and pissed off." This was a really revealing and carefully thought-out production and took some interesting risks. People was griping about Linus complaining about RED's pricing. Linus right now shows that he knows about the illusion of RED and he backs it up eloquently.

    • @NoorquackerInd
      @NoorquackerInd 5 років тому +20

      You sound like my 10th grade Pre-AP English II classmates trying to write an essay

    • @DirtyMike_n_theBoyz
      @DirtyMike_n_theBoyz 5 років тому +4

      I have no fuckin clue what you said

    • @yattasuccess9212
      @yattasuccess9212 5 років тому +2

      And I totally agreed with him in that statement, because adding to what you said, even more people will just try and jump to conclusions easily rather than take their time to have already seen such a situation coming.
      Either way, most people who would have bought RED mags and mini-mags would have already been smart-enough to realize what they were getting for what they were paying for, RED is guilty or not, the customers have chosen what they chose to buy.

    • @NaptownClassic
      @NaptownClassic 5 років тому

      @@NoorquackerInd Remedial English?

    • @NaptownClassic
      @NaptownClassic 5 років тому

      @@DirtyMike_n_theBoyz You should try reading it again. I believe in you. You can do anything, if you put your mind to it.

  • @TrynaBeCray
    @TrynaBeCray 5 років тому +357

    So RED is basically apple pricing with EA development?

    • @euga5653
      @euga5653 5 років тому +1

      😂😂

    • @sammeyer6852
      @sammeyer6852 5 років тому +17

      Apple sheep arent going to like this comment

    • @jebaited2449
      @jebaited2449 5 років тому +1

      HAHAHAHAHA

    • @rohithmekala2608
      @rohithmekala2608 5 років тому +14

      at least apples ssds are good

    • @donovan6320
      @donovan6320 5 років тому +21

      @@rohithmekala2608 They are made by Samsung LOL. And it is not hard to have a decent SSD today, it ain't that expensive 150-200 bucks for some of the higher-end models.

  • @SeanTheOriginal
    @SeanTheOriginal 3 роки тому +3

    "Repackaging commodity products and marking them up 10x upsets me"
    *has RayCon and Ridge Wallet as sponsors*

  • @patrickpaganini
    @patrickpaganini 4 роки тому +3

    Wow Linus - kudos for speaking your mind. Great video!

  • @chrisahamer
    @chrisahamer 5 років тому +123

    This video is 10/10 - that last 15 seconds where you discuss their lack of innovation felt incredibly raw... well said!

  • @Draugo
    @Draugo 5 років тому +1289

    The fact that they throttle drives without their magic bits is enough to make me loose any sympathy for them. That's some Apple level stuff.

    • @vgamesx1
      @vgamesx1 5 років тому +85

      Yeah that's one of the worst things about this, want to sell a ~$100 SSD for $2,000 ok fine whatever but swapping a part for another and crippling/bricking the device is just insane.

    • @Adrian-yn4qg
      @Adrian-yn4qg 5 років тому +55

      I think the proper term you meant use is CrApple. This term should be standard across the industry by now.

    • @Ganbalf
      @Ganbalf 5 років тому +19

      They should probably stick to making their sensors, that seems like the only thing they are actually passionate about

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 5 років тому +70

      That's even sub Apple level. At least has Apple put in good stuff, not the "unknown brand SSD" red does. I expected at least a Samsung 860 PRO or some Industrial Grade SSD, but they used at best midrange SSD's. For a price point where you would expect the fancy pancy stuff.

    • @monkeywithocd
      @monkeywithocd 5 років тому +10

      No, I think to be Apple level they would have to make it so it would brick your entire system if it didn't have the magic bits.

  • @that_green_neko
    @that_green_neko Рік тому +2

    What's interesting is that Red, after this video went up, started using CompactFlash (albeit not redundant) for their cameras, eliminating the need for proprietary firmware. I don't know if they still do the FAT32 workaround or the special formatting thing, though.

  • @channel4ferrets
    @channel4ferrets 4 роки тому

    Reminds me of the Seagate external drives that were sold with free Data Recovery.
    Seeing that in the store, remembering al my failed Seagate drives: "yeah, you'll need it..."

  • @titanscar2183
    @titanscar2183 5 років тому +1093

    Why is Linus reviewing a red PS2 memory card

    • @branko_the_alien
      @branko_the_alien 5 років тому +71

      This is a 10 year old video, why are you watching it now

    • @jpr1est783
      @jpr1est783 5 років тому +17

      Reupload.

    • @chrisw3311
      @chrisw3311 5 років тому +8

      @@branko_the_alien 10 years ago the PS3 was nearly 3 years old.

    • @Interestingworld4567
      @Interestingworld4567 5 років тому +2

      The good old days hum.

    • @epender
      @epender 5 років тому +5

      @@chrisw3311 well UA-cam didn't exist for most of the PS2's lifetime.

  • @Lee-BHC
    @Lee-BHC 5 років тому +496

    I don't even record video, but this made me happy. Good for you Linus.

  • @kickass4789
    @kickass4789 4 роки тому +1

    I literally suggested this idea 2 weeks ago
    Fookin sick !!

  • @theouterboroughs
    @theouterboroughs 4 роки тому +1

    I bought a RED Scarlet-X a while back. I sold it last December. I had a board go bad that cost over $1000. They fixed it and said I had to upgrade to the new sensor for roughly another $8k or they would never be able to fix the camera again. The sensor was no longer supported. It became obsolete so I sold it. The RED tax just isn't worth it to me.

  • @ihaveacoolhat1
    @ihaveacoolhat1 5 років тому +1584

    This is why I appreciate Linus. He's willing to call these companies out on their BS.

    • @OriginalPuro
      @OriginalPuro 4 роки тому +80

      That's just called having a spine.
      I expect this in people, but sadly most of them are jellyfish.

    • @getridofit3
      @getridofit3 4 роки тому +25

      @@OriginalPuro this is called independent journalism.

    • @meekmeads
      @meekmeads 4 роки тому +7

      Cough Cough Intel Cough Cough

    • @imnotmlg4397
      @imnotmlg4397 4 роки тому +5

      Hey guys. Look at Linus’s wrist in the vid. Let’s get a F.

    • @IshidaNikurasu
      @IshidaNikurasu 4 роки тому +19

      @@meekmeads He CONSTANTLY call out Intel on their bullshit man 😂

  • @Athiril
    @Athiril 5 років тому +737

    Hold on, it is crippled - any generic SSD will work, but not at high write speed unless you take extra steps to fool the camera into thinking it’s a red mag. Meaning the camera is intentionally crippled /not/ to work with other SSDs, otherwise who would pay for such a high price for a low cost SSD? So yeah that is scummy, especially since it’s just a regular SATA interface that’s just pin pass through. So jintech (sp?) is correct on that front.

    • @thefelix7767
      @thefelix7767 4 роки тому +49

      @Daniel Lee Also someone is lying here. Linus claims that they didn't say the firmware doesn't contain extra bits, but the video he references clearly states that if you do a binary comparison the firmware is exactly the same, bit by bit. So either the video is lying and a binary comparison would in fact show a difference or Linus is lying about the firmware having something extra, even if it's useless extra. The way it writes to the card is probably from the camera, not from the SSD firmware, as that part wouldn't be the one creating a folder structure and all that.

    • @PaulGuy
      @PaulGuy 4 роки тому +90

      @@thefelix7767 That's what he says later in the video. The camera is the one doing all the work, the drive is just a plain ol' mSATA drive formatted in FAT32.

    • @m4ki9h76
      @m4ki9h76 4 роки тому +46

      @@thefelix7767 / Linus admits it's more of a DRM scheme. I think the write speed is intentionally crippled by the camera's firmware, if intended vendor infos(Red) are missing/mismatch

    • @Nalianna
      @Nalianna 4 роки тому +20

      @@m4ki9h76 "Scheme" is a good word to describe this.
      And i dont mean "a large-scale systematic plan or arrangement for attaining some particular object or putting a particular idea into effect.";
      I mean "make plans, especially in a devious way or with intent to do something illegal or wrong."

    • @dstblj5222
      @dstblj5222 4 роки тому +15

      @@Nalianna Here is the thing Ginni tech can totally legally build an algorithm designed to fool Red's check, its only a violation of copywriter if they used the original code or wrote something very close to the original. So red needs to provide more proof that Ginni tech actually violated their copywrite

  • @realhusky
    @realhusky 4 роки тому +3

    Got, I'll keep all this in mind when I am looking to purchase a 50 thousand dollar camera.

  • @jlco
    @jlco 4 роки тому +6

    From the tone when he was talking about redundancy, I feel like this video was sparked by a video _we'll never get to see_.

  • @tuplanollatoni
    @tuplanollatoni 5 років тому +578

    Remember when Corridor said that they're more reliable than ordinary SSDs? C

    • @baterosmith2
      @baterosmith2 5 років тому +13

      That's true!!! Haha

    • @camilofuentes7056
      @camilofuentes7056 5 років тому +157

      I really like corridor crew, but is kinda dissapointing how they support this kind of bullshit from red

    • @HellerTech2000
      @HellerTech2000 5 років тому +5

      Maybe not more reliable but just better support if files get lost.

    • @apathetk
      @apathetk 5 років тому +45

      I like Corridor's work, but damn, they are pretentious.

    • @hlonghi
      @hlonghi 5 років тому +26

      @@GusGusGusGusGus The number of clients I have that legit bought Apple here in Brazil (TEN times the cost of a similar spec Dell) because *APPLE HAS THE MAGIC* and then realized they can't afford RMA'ing it when their keyboard inevitably fails is astonishing, to say the least. I'm not an Apple hater and I know they are not that bad (outside the country I live) price-wise if you are a professional, but you don't need a Mac Pro to render low poly parts in Blender for christ sakes.

  • @finnrellmdop
    @finnrellmdop 5 років тому +544

    Fair and unbiased breakdown of what happened if you ask me!
    Thumbs up!

    • @AmrouBouaziz
      @AmrouBouaziz 5 років тому +4

      Yeah! This is the most diplomatic way to handle this subject.
      The words chose is impeccable.

    • @finnrellmdop
      @finnrellmdop 5 років тому +12

      I am a Reduser too, and my video wouldn’t be that diplomatic. I love Red, but I spent a lot of money for 4 of their cards. It’s not about the price, more about the missing raid system that Linus mentioned!

    • @matthewjohnson4360
      @matthewjohnson4360 5 років тому +1

      also, even if it is biased, Linus tells you what is causing his bias so you can decide whether or not what he says is worth listening to. Real quality videos on the ltt channel

    • @dietwedge
      @dietwedge 5 років тому

      @@finnrellmdop the dishonesty and deceit didn't help matters either.

  • @blameburr8722
    @blameburr8722 4 роки тому +1

    NGL, I'm more distracted by the fact linus started to fling the parts around 😂😂

  • @KuhWristChin
    @KuhWristChin 3 роки тому +1

    This was well written and the reason why I continue to support and subscribe to this channel.