For those looking for a cheap entry point: All Chaos Daemons regardless of their god can be used as Daemons Of The Ruinstorm, this means they are the only army thats fully compatable with 40k, horus herecy AND age of sigmar. Its a melee centric army, but fun to drown your enemies in eldrich horrors.
"There were 18 legions, nine of them went bad, nine of them stayed good.... Fighting, fighting, fighting!" Pretty fair summery of the Horus Heresy tbh.
What a cutting tape measure burn. Brutal, Adam. Just brutal. A friend of my second cousin lost an uncle to a tape measure incident... Be careful out there, tabletop gamers
Over 170 comment likes and a heart from Uncle A himself. All for a silly joke. So this is what it feels like to be at the peak of one's life... feels pretty good
I keep hearing how the Horus Heresy stuff is kind of aimed at old-school 40k gamers who have left the hobby but are susceptible to nostalgia and apparently have big piles of money lying around. But if that's the case why doesn't the box come with cardboard L-shaped ruins terrain?!
That would be pretty nostalgic. Only second to a paper Defdread/Killa-can. =) I personally think that they won’t repackage something from the olden days, because they did rerelease smaller version of box set from the 5th ed I think? And it didn’t go all that well. While these new models have better change of being grabbed by some newbies as well.
@@jamesmaybrick6750 I seriously doubt that is true. You can't generalise an entire generation of people just because social media and influencers exist. The things that form opinions still exist and priovide the primary source; relationships, school, experiences, work, culture, etc. They haven't just dissapeared for some mystrious reason. Influencers have a strong presense because they are an easy way to make money and fame if you have a particular personality and opportunity to do it - that's capitalist market forces driving that, not millenials and Gen Zs.
I remember (being an OG Adeptus Titanicus player in early 89) finding the idea of the Horus Heresy fascinating (all predicated on the fact they could only really afford to manufacture one titan model for that AT box so they had to have a reason for both forces being the same), but I didn't imagine I would be watching a review of a box like this so many decades later. Glad to be here, watching - a little bit misty eyed with the nostalgia.....
@@markhickson1066 I must admit that I sold all my old stuff as I was out of the hobby in the 2000s, but I did have some Eldar Titans and they were very cool models. I have the 'new' Titanicus, but I wish I'd held on to at least a metal Reaver or an Eldar model from back in the day. They did make me good money though! Some new Eldar might be cool, but I don't think GW want to go beyond the heresy with AT.
Badab War; this box has a little bit of everything you'd need to fight that **other** Space Marine civil war, and whats more you're free to use the ruleset of your choice for that - from the original Rogue Trader book to the last iteration of Kill Team 2018 (Pariah Nexus) to OPR or even Space Weirdos.
Doing Lamenters. I think I'll be flipping the Spartan, Terminators, axe Praetor and rules pack so hopefully the remaining models will come out nice and cheap after selling those on. As Blood Angels successors they get heavy flamers so the flamer/melta/plasma heavy weapon pack will do some work. Jump troops would be a nice addition so hopefully a MkVI Assault Squad is something we see when a second wave of HH plastic rolls around.
My fiancé bought the fervent loyalist bundle for her dad for Christmas. Massive fan of the Dark Angels (that’s what his unit in the AF was called, that’s why he likes them), plus a bunch of other goodies like a tank Bonus that nearly all of it can be used in 40k It was your review that helped her make that decision, so thank you!
Anyone using the 18" red whippy sticks were always at a slight disadvantage compared to anyone using a proper tape measure. The reason? The 18" red whippy sticks actually measure 17 3/4".
@@manofaction1807 LOL! I remember them from growing up with 1st edition Necromunda, they're for measuring LOS. But I think your method is far less boring, hahah.
If I wanted a space marine army, this looks like it would be about 2000 pts for 300 bucks and they look cooler than normal 40k stuff. I have a weakness for the beakie heads and bumpy shoulders. Alas, I'm way more into skirmish stuff right now.
It's also worth noting that Legion Tactical squads are up to 20 marines. So, while you could play two armies with one Praetor and two ten model squads to fill your troops, the box is very clearly pitched towards playing it as a single army with two full strength troops units.
The Age of Darkness boxset is massive. I've decided to get some of the models in their seperate kits. I'm more drawn to the Kratos Heavy Assault Tank, Deimos Rhino, the Leviathan and the Sicaran tank. I may pick up a boxset of ten or twenty MKVI Space Marines when they come out? I think in some point they'll might do a Solar Auxilla army in plastic in the future? They're one of the non-Space Marines armies I can think of.
I'm really thinking of buying it, painting the terminators and vechicles in Templar Brethren colors and using it both in my Black Templars and as a start to an Imperial Fists army
It's a little out of my range at present. Even with the discount I can get from my FLGS and the value of the boxset. I just have too many boxes that I'm working on. I hope those that get it enjoy it.
@@theezekarion164 I haven't had that resolve in recent boxsets. As a Killteam player last week and this week have been painful. Luckily a full painting desk has kept me from indulging.
90% of them will never play a game of 30K. 80% will never even assemble more then 8-10 models. Go look at used copies of past big boxes for a snapshot of your future if you buy this. The one consolation is that it should retain most of its value when you sell it at a loss.
And you can do plenty of interesting stuff with it for 30k. Especially if you get some of the weapon packs + thanks to Rites of War. For example, I will probably run only 10 beakies as an elite squad and use terminators as troops. I will sell of the other 30 beakies. And I got myself Horus. 600/1000 points for one model? Yes please.
@@Therockypony Whats 570? Full collection?Newbies arent starting with 3000 points worth of models though, You are just looking for an excuse to shit on GW, this was probably their most fair release since Shadowspear.
The whippy sticks come in handy for line of sight issues ... and back in the day, little /tiny tape measures weren't a thing yet. But mostly they help with the line of sight things. I think it's a pretty big thing in HH, like in the old editions...
I've always been interested in Horus Heresy, and I've been sitting on a Betrayal at Calth set for a couple years. This box has caused me to jump headfirst, I have the big box and the Liber Hereticus on pre-order!
I plan to get this box as my first actual hurrah into 40k tabletop. I already have ideas on a homebrew legion (sibce i always attributed the mission legions to games workshop saying “make your own loyalist/chaos legion” and the 30k setting is what ive been waiting for
The price is low in GW dollars, but still pretty high compared to many other companies. I love the HH lore, but I don’t really want to pay $300+ to play 7th edition again.
I mean, it's a bit more than the starter set for Star wars Legion Clone wars (135+ euro), (for better and more minis) same with the Lannister VS Stark Game of thrones starter (140+ euro), with again less and worse minis. Infinity starter sets cost about half (90-100euros)... for about 10 monopose minis in total. Wargaming is an expensive hobby.
Yeah. It's this disturbing mindset we've gotten ourselves into where people look at this and go "OMG it's amazing value"....like...no it's not, it's just cheaper than what GW dictate the sale price to be. And GW still makes massive winnings off selling to third parties at discount. The fact it costs the same as ASh Wastes says a lot
@@Matcapoeira86 isn’t it €225? That seems like a lot more than the examples you give. Also, it’s easy to make an argument when you cherry-pick some of the most expensive miniatures on the market as examples 😂 I recently got the starter box for Firefight and it has more minis than the HH one and was less than half the price. The rule set is also much more fun that 40K 7ed.
@@kenstewart3607 lol good for you man. I hope you enjoy that game. I personally just checked it out and I think the models look like dog shit. But enjoy. 👍
I actually got to see you at adepticon. you were with people who I assumed were your buddies and I was in the middle of HH events so I didn't say "hi" or anything but it was cool getting to see you in person.
It's a stunning price for what you get. That being said, what they're charging for everything else in the Hours Heresy release......yikes. That sh*t is crazy expensive. GW is easily making their money back with all the extra releases.
@@minishaw280 I thought it is funny. I have the printer since a while, but didn't really print anything beside accesories for some units. It's quite hard to give up the good old plastic crunch. (Although I print an awful lot of stuff for fantasy rpgs)
I was keen, until I saw the Aus price. It's £100 per box more expensive than the UK equivalent. I could buy a whole new game and faction for another game just with the price difference, so it's a hard pass for me.
The combat company got it for $380. Still boggle the mind how an independent shop can sell it $100 cheaper and still make a profit yet GW asking price is $475.
Preordered my box along with a bunch of the additional things that they actually make money on. I used to dislike the old Contemptor dreadnought but the new plastic posable one is absolutely amazing, very happy with it so far.
I think people severely over estimate the cost of injection moulding. Yes the tool costs a lot ... But after that the plastic is pennies... Price reductions are probably to combat the adoption of... Alternatives
@@Zectari Not so much as to warrant these ridonculous prices. Every other company has these costs too, and yet they manage to crank out products at a way cheaper price point. Warhammer costs a lot because of the brand.
@@Esanssi10 you contradicted yourself a little, by saying it costs more because of the brand. You’re correct of course that other companies have the same areas to account for, but none have been as successful at it as GW with the Warhammer IP. I am 100% sure GW spends more on lore writing than, say, Mantic does. Is that worth it to you? I think only an individual consumer can answer that question.
@@Zectari Well first, those are all done by employees who, on average, are paid just north of minimum wage. The lion's share of the money coming in due to their work isn't going to them. It's going to the shareholders. Second, GW has reported profit margins (AFTER all expenses) of ~40%. For comparison, most companies in most other industries would consider 10% profit margins (again, after expenses) to be doing pretty well. GW makes four times that. Third, GW have the benefit of economy of scale. They're bigger than any other competitor. Meaning they can produce models even cheaper, simply by virtue of having a bigger operation. GW don't charge as much as they do because they need to. They do it because of Greed.
@@timunderbakke8756 Not quite sure how I contradicted myself? The models aren't marked higher to cover the cost of producing the books or handing out the Warhammer license to any video game company out there. Higher prices come from them having established themselves as the Big Guy on the block, which in turn means they can slap whatever price they want on their releases, because they know that most people in the niche miniature wargaming sphere only ever get exposed to Warhammer. They don't have to worry about sensible pricing.
I have way more than enough plastic to paint right now, so this box is a pass from me. I might be tempted to get an individual box of Mark VI later and gussy them up in third party bits (or maybe even GW's upgrade sprues if they look nice). They're plain and generic by design but I've never been a big fan of "different legions are different colors and that's it", which they seem to be doing here a bit. I much prefer the legion specific resin contemptors, for example.
A RTB01 Space marine box set had 30 marines + heavy weapons + extra war gear was for £10-15 now gw just upgraded that sprue its now £47.50 for 20 marines +£26 for heavy weapons + more £s for heads
@@1kizhun They did WAY more than upgrade that sprue. And there's a *lot* more material in a more expensive mass production media, as well as way more pieces, way more options and way more customisation even within the individual kit. To compare RTB01 to the MKVI Tactical squad box is genuinely misleading at best. I'm also gonna go out on a limb and say RTB01 didn't have 60 special weapons and legion specific things (mostly because legion specific stuff is a relatively new concept in terms of models, from beyond the RT era)
@@1kizhun This is your friendly reminder that £10 in 1987 is £26 nowadays, and that RTB01 don't even remotely compare to new Mk VI in the level of detail. Yes, they were still cheaper. And yes GW prices are ridiculous. But let's be fair in our comparisons.
In the UK it was £180 for the box direct from GW. But from Wayland games, it was only £140 so i grabbed the boxset, the Astartes rulebook, the special weapons box, and a Daemos pattern rhino for £240. Really looking forward to adding the new plastic leviathan dreadnought as well.
The main thing that disappointed me about this box, is it’s pretty much geared for Imperial Fists vs Sons of Horus. Those are the only Decals in it as you mention. They should have put all the legion decals in there and you can figure out what you want. As I’m new to painting miniatures, I decided to make 5 space marines as emperor’s children. I got decals off of eBay fortunately. But that aside, there’s soooo much plastic!! I have lots to build to try out different painting techniques and get better brush control.
@@ARandomPerson66 Your poverty is the consequence of your poor life choices. Sneering at others isn't going to help you out of the hole you've dug yourself into.
The spartan tank is basically an old school land raider. Looks good. I think the older GW designs were better than what they come out with today. Especially the marines. Keep your primaris guys, i want mk vi all day!
Also, I think you missed highlighting on the back of the bottom cardboard divider looks like a uniform guide? Only saw briefly but looked like reference layout of the Space Marines for helping painters?
Even though I do like the feel of this box, (Oldhammer vibes) I think that I’ll personally wait to get some of the stuff separately. Or wait if they release solar auxilias in plastic as well.
If the box is still being made when I get through my current backlog, I’ll pick it up. I do miss blast templates from my 4th edition days, but right now I have enough plastic
These are army builder boxes: Three boxes of Calth (bought from Dark Sphere for 25% off) made the core of my World Eaters force. Three boxes of Prospero made my Imperial Fists force. Now we have a box of 40 Beakies: If you want a Raven Guard force; three of these boxes (currently £130 each, £50 off full retail again at Dark Sphere) and you have more Marine troops than you can shake a pokey stick at. Heresy NEEDS bodies. The basic troop choice runs at units of 20 marines. The bigger guns will wipe out marines like flash lights on grots. Most of the tanks will tank a unit at a time. Heresy is the middle ground between WH40k and Apocalypse. Hence more really is more.
There was a plastic contemptor before it was in the BaC box but it was very very limited, the new one has all the posibility of the resin contemptors just legion agnostic.
I know is not related to the video above (and I didn’t find a video concerning this topic in your channel) but is there any chance you’ll ever make a video on “How to create a miniature war game”? You and Vince Venturella create one in tandem (a gorgeous one, even), so you have for sure experience on the process and I would be super in to hear that, if you will to share your knowledge!
I would buy this in a heartbeat but I don’t have a local scene for even my main game age of sigmar can’t justify this. Though i might just to paint it… it looks so sick
Gas is $5.60 by me. In a month, maybe it will drop to $4.80. "Woohoo, what a steal!" -_- GW Pavlov's us on high prices. They release a $300 box. "Woohoo, what a steal!" -_-
"Again, I don't think they're losing money for selling this box for $300." ^This. People need to understand that while you're getting these models at a lower price compared to the products sold separately, that's only because the models are overinflated in price to begin with. This is plastic. None of it costs nearly as much as GW sells it for. This is born out in recent earnings reports, where GW posted profit margins of ~40%. That's the money they make after squaring all their expenses. It's pure profit. For comparison, most companies in most industries would consider 10% profit margins as doing really well. This isn't going to hurt GW's bottom line. The money funneled to the shareholders will be just fine. There just might not be as much of it. They produce these starter sets at a lesser profit because they intend to use it to nickel and dime the big spenders among their customers. The ones who think "yeah, these models are great, but I'd really like to expand the force, and give some of these guys special weapons". Also, because while they're not making as much per ounce of plastic, they still got a bunch of suckers to buy that plastic in a big lump sum. Every casual customer who buys one of these boxes and nothing else has still given GW way more money than they otherwise would, all at once.
GW of course sells stuff at premium cost, but it's not like any company sells them for minimum they can get away with either. Still, as far as the rest of GW's pricing goes, it's good for those that can find boxes they're after that most of them do save you (a little or a lot) compared to purchasing all the products separately.
@@chromasus9983 unless you NEED the specific EXACT plastic models in the box because you have some sort of nuerological disease that makes you think plastic and 3d printed resin are somehow different after being painted, you don't even have to buy them at all.
I've got a box of this coming in, I haven't had a 40k army in 10 years, but now that my daughter is old enough we've gotten into AoS, and I've always loved the "period piece" that is the heresy, so this feels like a great starting point for us to jump back into the future
I'm a 40k player that's been looking to build a HEAVILY converted Creations of Bile army for a little over a year now and I am so excited to buy this box as the ridiculously cheap source of marines that it is. 15 Chaos Marines and 25 Possessed coming up! With the price of this box as low as it is it leaves plenty in the budget for Tyranid, Dark Eldar, and Demon kits to make these 40 marines truly look like Bile's playthings
Thank you Element Games in the UK who pre-sold me the Age of Darkness box with a 20% discount thats GBP 136.00 (USD 170.00) and free shipping inside UK! If you guys in US/Canada are paying $299 thats a LOT of freight and duty up-charge. Hope your FLGSs can offer you a similar discount. Just saw the contents at UK Games Expo’22 and it looks great. There are some expensive options (I also bought a resin cast of myself) but these are discretionary and even with the extra weapons and a Loyalist book it’s very fair.
@@MrFindoc sorry for your loss. It’s called 40k cos that’s what what I’ll probably spend between discovering the hobby and having nothing left to leave my kids except mountains of unpainted plastic
Can you still find Supremacy Force Imperial Fist box somewhere? All i want is Imperial Fists to upgrade my space crusade game... can any good-sir captain help me here?
Honestly the only thing keeping me from Warhammer is that you need to keep buying rules. I sunk ~350-700 into KD:M and was happy because the game doesn’t constantly need updates like warhammer does. Just the rules alone cost >$100 often. Yeesh.
I am interested in the MK VI armor. And maybe the tank. The rest, including the rules, is not interesting for me. So when I heard it's 300$ I almost got an heart attack. Luckliy it's only 225 € (242 USD) if you buy at GW and only about 180€ (193 USD) if you buy it elsewhere. Still a bit too much for some beakies... (I always forget that there are countries where GW is even more expensive - poor Australians)
I fully expect all of the plastic Horus Heresy stuff to be 40k compatible once that rumored Codex Space Marines 2.0 rolls around. Give it more time and eventually everything will be either Primaris or HH.
In previous edition on Horus Heresy there were more options than just Marines. There was a proto Adeptus Mechanicus that had fewer tentacles and more robots. There was a Custodes option though I don't know if the 40k Custodes were compatible. There was a Conscripted Humans that filled an Astra Militarum role. The Conscripts had no official model line, but could be represented by any GW humans from Genestealer Cults to Astra Militarum to Necromunda Gangers. There was also Daemons of the Ruinstorm which lets you run any Daemons.
It'll still be a thing, it's just that marines are centerpiece of this game and are first to be the face for new edition (they are for 40k, so it's even more obvious for Horus Heresy). Custodes and sisters of silence actually came from 30k to 40k and fit both games and it's 30k that actually can take more units (I don't know if you can use units like jumppack custodes and 30k custodes terminators in 40k).
I called myself a Kill Team exclusive tabletop gamer... until I fell down The Horus Heresy rabbit hole thanks to this video... So i owe you a huge thank you...
iv never watchd your videos before as this came across my we reccomend you watch list. its really interesting to watch a person that clearly has not done much horus heresy . you make very interesting points about the cost of the extras and the fact that this is defiently not a two player set but is a started set for an army. as for the cost aspect yes i agree this is probably gw either breaking even on a box or making say 5%. i can say that as an independent retailer in the uk my account handler and other have confirmed that the box is roughly 85% increaseed value meaning that whent eh set is split and released sepereately youll be paying about 85% more of the cost for all the items seperately
I’ve not really played Horus Heresy (other than the fact that I played 7th edition back in the day) so I thought my point of view on the set might be helpful to other ‘noobs’ to HH as well. That said, I’m sure GW is still making a profit (and more than 5%) on this set, but not nearly as much as usual. Thanks for watching!
My original Space Marine army from the late 80s were all pewter/ lead beakies, so this was a must have for me. I probably won't even play the game, but the joy of painting 50 plus models for the next few months will be enough. Price did sting here though, I paid $485 AUS on preorder and scoffed at any extras because of it.
I'm sadly an old fogie who's played since the early days, in fact i was at the hammersmith store the day after it opened purchasing some D&D manuals, so it fair to say ive seen a lot of changes to the hobby. I have always loved the grimdark flavour of 40k and the bleak sadness of warhammer fantasy battle's Old World. For 40k Ive collected, played and painted every army GW have made, (up until things started to go a bit skwiffy after 6th edition) ive flipflapped from then having absorbed and read each edition of the rules as theyve been released - I discarded 9th edition out of hand, and what a good thing I did - Rules bloat?!? I wasnt too enthralled with the first edition of the HH game, although it peaked my interest. But this version, Age of Darkness, after much deliberation and reading of the rules has opened the door wide for me to step in. Its Mature, steamlined, its blown open strategies and options for building your armies and altogether seems like the best thing GW has produced for YEARS. My Fear is that it's given the same treatment of errata, balances, rewrites, reworks and fiddling that is entirely unnecessary. So while ive gone in hard on this, my guard is still up. Good work GW, and nice video mate.
I will get this for my death guard, switch some of the heads for the extras that come with the plague marines and maybe kitbashing some weapon options as well and then having an immense infantry heavy 40k army. The rest of the models go to my blood ravens (which could be used as blood angels for HH)
Actually some traitor marines did have some chaos mutation’s just not alot (i had to look it up cuz i wanted some slighty mutated death guard mixed in with my normal one
Thanks for the look at the box! I was wondering if this ruleset supports games on smaller boards, unfortunately *I don't have the room for a 6ft x 4ft table.
I just bought them and these boys are going into my 40k Army. 4 Tactical Squads, 2 Terminator Squads, Contemptor Dreadnaught and that tank will be awesome. I also found it 255 on Amazon
Just got it a few days ago to get back into Warhammer. Mainly because it has the armour marks I love. Will be re-using my 2nd edition tanks (mainly my spoon top predators) But also my Rogue Trader era models. Have 37 of the RTB01 plastic imperial space marines, a fair few of the old lead models including 3 x the LE2 Imperial Space Marines.. But best of all 9 x the Cobra variant Terminators and 2 of the other ones (the 3rd variant not the Saturnine ones) which I'll be doing up to be Indomitus Terminators --- And yeah - have also bought a box of the Mark 3 troops, the 4 separate weapon upgrade packs, a leviathan, and paints.. Which has added a fair bit to the money spent. But needed paints anyway coz ALL my old stuff (original round pots, the 1st hex pots etc) dried out ages ago
Disappointed to here there is not enough for two players in this box, this seems more like product to onboard already invested players. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
You guys making all your guys one legion or dividing the force into two legions? I’m going full Iron Warriors baby. I’ll probably do some kind of markings so I can split them up for a game with a mate though.
This was a great review, Atom Smasher. I appreciate how you commented on the issues with the Heresy shoulder pads in rhe past. I do love this era and the novels. I plan to use my stuff from the Calth (MKIV Armor) and Prospero Burns (MKIII Armor). Marine against marine is a cool concept.
some of the other new stuff like the rhino’s etc are actually cheaper than they normally are as well so that’s good to see that they aren’t making the stuff that’s not in this box more expensive than usual
@@InfernoZz66 Compared to professional 3rd party decal sheets, the FW ones aren't particularly expensive, though ... and depending on the legion, one sheet will last you 3000 army points or even more.
Nice thoughts and insights into the boxed set - as someone who hasn't played 40k since 2nd edition (came back after a 20 year hiatus into AoS) I have ordered this box and am psyched to get it. I think it's because I've been slowly ploughing my way through the Horus Heresy novels over the last 5 years or so. I think you're right and this box will be a loss leader but more accurately 'Not As Eye-Watering Profitable' as usual GW products, a lure to new players into another gaming system, and why shouldn't it be? For once, they're looking at the big picture. And its worked on me though in fairness i have been 100% complicit from the start - I have bought the set as I really want to take my hobbying to the next level and was planning to use the box to create a diorama depicting the Space Wolves total annihilation of Prospero but i don't see why I then can't make 2* 1500 points of Loyalists and Heretics - so again - ka-ching - two books i'll need to buy (at a combined price) for somewhere between £65 and £85 depending on where you shop. It certainly won't stop me from enjoying hundreds of hours of hobbying though so i guess everyone's a winner.
Plastic wippy Sticks, for hitting your friends, for what else I bought the box because it is a perfect offer. The box is really huge and bulging, the book in the box is a really good source for the Horus Heresy and ultimately is a good start to the game. I like the "old" rules because they somehow felt fairer with their tables and comparisons and I always get a little nostalgic because I liked the times when we used to hit each other on the fingers with the plastic sticks when you tried to finger your opponent's pieces or manipulate the rolls l are still well remembered. Ultimately, however, it is a great box to put one or even two small armies from the Horus Heresy in the showcase, because so far I still lack the people with whom I can play this and the box came out a long time ago.
Thank you for this review. The price point is great, but if I ask the question of, if the units were separate, would I buy them? The answer is no. I would love two Deimos plastic predators, the rule book and the loyalist book so I can pit my 40K armies against each other, but I just don’t need 50 more single models right now
GW doing both Horus Heresy (resurrecting 7th ed rules) and then Oldhammer coming back (resurrecting pre-Sigmar Fantasy rules), plus all the side games like Kill Team, War Cry, Necromunda etc. is... interesting to say the least. I wonder whether the audiences are really that segmented, that all these simultaneous systems can be supported?
Their entire business model is FOMO now. 95%+ of people who buy these boxes never even end up using them. Hence all the partially assembled/painted box sets on Ebay.
HH models are cheaper alternative to making armies with a decent number of tactical marines I believe. I got a decent amount of the mk 6 guys to build a Ravenguard army. Tactical marines, some 3d printing for vanguard vets, and a few other kits to put some backline fighters in.
The local-game-store discount makes the 20-man Tactical squad boxes a better deal than buying normal marines, and I mean, you could also just proxy them for the primaris versions, cus the only difference really is just look
The interestimg thing about the "loss leader box" with high margin additions is bc these are plastic kits they are actually doming down in price for us heresy vets
You people do what you want. Just trys not to get Fomo'd into buying a box you actually don't want or which you do not have any plans for just because it is "a good deal" relative to GW's regular pricing scheme.
Yup. I have no interest in playing another game. I’ll stick to 40k, and I don’t need this for 40k. Now, I may be tempted by that leviathan plastic kit at some point.
"There were 18 legions, eight of them went bad, nine of them stayed good.... one did what they had to do" - Hydra Dominatus
What’s that mean? Makes them sound more noble but ain’t they a bunch is sneaky jerks?
I am alpharius, this is a lie
I like to feel that GW made this box specifically for me, because it contains 42 beaky helmets
One of the best helmets
Awesome box for Raven Guard players to get some beaky boiz and spice up their marines with the MKVI armor.
For those looking for a cheap entry point: All Chaos Daemons regardless of their god can be used as Daemons Of The Ruinstorm, this means they are the only army thats fully compatable with 40k, horus herecy AND age of sigmar.
Its a melee centric army, but fun to drown your enemies in eldrich horrors.
Yeah but they're not good at any of those games lmao
@@pogsothoth Tzeentch and Nurgle are plenty good in AoS, what game have you been playing?
@@pogsothoth they are getting a new codex soon
Ruinstorm base sizes: "Allow us to introduce ourselves".
@@pogsothoth They're VERY strong in HH if you build correctly
the main efficiency with HH models is its the same molds for all 18 legions. They will get a lot of mileage out of those molds
"There were 18 legions, nine of them went bad, nine of them stayed good.... Fighting, fighting, fighting!"
Pretty fair summery of the Horus Heresy tbh.
I think describing it as a single farther trying to do his best is a lot more accurate
There were twenty legions, but two of them were disbanded and no one knows what happened to their primarchs.
why have 60+ novels when 17 words are just as good!
9 of them stayed loyal, and 9 of them were right. Fixed it.
This guy sounds so confused/unprepared...
What a cutting tape measure burn. Brutal, Adam. Just brutal. A friend of my second cousin lost an uncle to a tape measure incident... Be careful out there, tabletop gamers
I’m sorry to here this mate, the danger is real
Must not have been the cool uncle.
Really? I never thought they would be that dangerous... I'm sorry for your loss man
Over 170 comment likes and a heart from Uncle A himself. All for a silly joke. So this is what it feels like to be at the peak of one's life... feels pretty good
@@AVS_uk dude i was thinking he cut his neck lol
Putting all that stuff back in the box looks worse than re-folding a travel map
Lol. So true.
I keep hearing how the Horus Heresy stuff is kind of aimed at old-school 40k gamers who have left the hobby but are susceptible to nostalgia and apparently have big piles of money lying around. But if that's the case why doesn't the box come with cardboard L-shaped ruins terrain?!
That would be pretty nostalgic.
Only second to a paper Defdread/Killa-can. =)
I personally think that they won’t repackage something from the olden days, because they did rerelease smaller version of box set from the 5th ed I think?
And it didn’t go all that well.
While these new models have better change of being grabbed by some newbies as well.
Kids now days believe everything
yes gw is cashing in on their nostalgia equity.
@@jamesmaybrick6750 I seriously doubt that is true. You can't generalise an entire generation of people just because social media and influencers exist. The things that form opinions still exist and priovide the primary source; relationships, school, experiences, work, culture, etc. They haven't just dissapeared for some mystrious reason. Influencers have a strong presense because they are an easy way to make money and fame if you have a particular personality and opportunity to do it - that's capitalist market forces driving that, not millenials and Gen Zs.
@@jamesmaybrick6750 So you're just going to pretend Boomers and GenX didn't do that with television anchors and celebrities?
I remember (being an OG Adeptus Titanicus player in early 89) finding the idea of the Horus Heresy fascinating (all predicated on the fact they could only really afford to manufacture one titan model for that AT box so they had to have a reason for both forces being the same), but I didn't imagine I would be watching a review of a box like this so many decades later. Glad to be here, watching - a little bit misty eyed with the nostalgia.....
Ah yes, AT and Space Marine... those were the days :-)
@@unpaintedleadsyndrome It's the little things in life that can mean so much, like 6mm guys & tiny Rhinos that weighed nothing.....
Loved Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine, I still have 10 Eldar titans somewhere???!😀
@@markhickson1066 I must admit that I sold all my old stuff as I was out of the hobby in the 2000s, but I did have some Eldar Titans and they were very cool models. I have the 'new' Titanicus, but I wish I'd held on to at least a metal Reaver or an Eldar model from back in the day. They did make me good money though! Some new Eldar might be cool, but I don't think GW want to go beyond the heresy with AT.
Badab War; this box has a little bit of everything you'd need to fight that **other** Space Marine civil war, and whats more you're free to use the ruleset of your choice for that - from the original Rogue Trader book to the last iteration of Kill Team 2018 (Pariah Nexus) to OPR or even Space Weirdos.
Doing Lamenters. I think I'll be flipping the Spartan, Terminators, axe Praetor and rules pack so hopefully the remaining models will come out nice and cheap after selling those on. As Blood Angels successors they get heavy flamers so the flamer/melta/plasma heavy weapon pack will do some work. Jump troops would be a nice addition so hopefully a MkVI Assault Squad is something we see when a second wave of HH plastic rolls around.
@@thepartworkscomicsreader9488 just plastic jump packs, and a set of close combat arms in another probably.
My fiancé bought the fervent loyalist bundle for her dad for Christmas. Massive fan of the Dark Angels (that’s what his unit in the AF was called, that’s why he likes them), plus a bunch of other goodies like a tank
Bonus that nearly all of it can be used in 40k
It was your review that helped her make that decision, so thank you!
Anyone using the 18" red whippy sticks were always at a slight disadvantage compared to anyone using a proper tape measure. The reason? The 18" red whippy sticks actually measure 17 3/4".
We always cut the pointy ends off, then shortened them down to a 12 and a pair of 6s off the 2 sticks. Was all you needed for movement in 3rd-7th
Except when you use them for their proper use- whipping your opponent's hand when they try to touch your miniatures.
And I thought it was because I was playing Dark Eldar
@@manofaction1807 LOL!
I remember them from growing up with 1st edition Necromunda, they're for measuring LOS.
But I think your method is far less boring, hahah.
@@manofaction1807 or your opponent's ass when they didn't listen the first time.
If I wanted a space marine army, this looks like it would be about 2000 pts for 300 bucks and they look cooler than normal 40k stuff. I have a weakness for the beakie heads and bumpy shoulders. Alas, I'm way more into skirmish stuff right now.
there's a community ruleset for 30k killteam ;) also centurion mode
Compared to Primaris units you'd be at a disadvantage by using all regular tactical marines.
Only increased cost would be you'd probably need to buy some weapons packs to get the most out of your Tactical Marines.
Where can I find it, I'm new to Warhammer and I wanna play table top with the solar auxilia but I don't have the money for a full army@@blessedpeas
I determined this box wasn't for me. I did determine the goddamn plastic SPARTAN in the box was for me.
You can split the box with a friend, but good luck fighting over the Spartan tank!
The money you guys each put in doesn't have to be split 50/50.
I got it
@@ironbomb6753 It was just a joke.
@@devononair 👍🙃
Cut it in half and you both have a terrain piece
It's also worth noting that Legion Tactical squads are up to 20 marines. So, while you could play two armies with one Praetor and two ten model squads to fill your troops, the box is very clearly pitched towards playing it as a single army with two full strength troops units.
The Age of Darkness boxset is massive. I've decided to get some of the models in their seperate kits. I'm more drawn to the Kratos Heavy Assault Tank, Deimos Rhino, the Leviathan and the Sicaran tank. I may pick up a boxset of ten or twenty MKVI Space Marines when they come out?
I think in some point they'll might do a Solar Auxilla army in plastic in the future? They're one of the non-Space Marines armies I can think of.
I'm really thinking of buying it, painting the terminators and vechicles in Templar Brethren colors and using it both in my Black Templars and as a start to an Imperial Fists army
Based
The red whips of doom. Those things were an amazing weapon amongst friends as a kid.
Not going to lie, this looks like a very good candidate for an Ebay split and sell.
I'm just a miniature enthusiast, i don't play, i just build and paint miniatures, this is the box made for me
Pre ordered mine with a 20% discount and the books were 15%
I'm a happy camper right now!
It's a little out of my range at present. Even with the discount I can get from my FLGS and the value of the boxset. I just have too many boxes that I'm working on. I hope those that get it enjoy it.
Why can't I have your resolve
@@theezekarion164 I haven't had that resolve in recent boxsets. As a Killteam player last week and this week have been painful. Luckily a full painting desk has kept me from indulging.
@@kiesminis You are an inspiration of hope to many.
@@jimmysmith2249 🤣 thanks
90% of them will never play a game of 30K. 80% will never even assemble more then 8-10 models. Go look at used copies of past big boxes for a snapshot of your future if you buy this. The one consolation is that it should retain most of its value when you sell it at a loss.
Good thing: you can buy this one box and get an army worth 2000 points for 40K. Not best army but full army at least
I suspect many people will buy this box for precisely this reason.
And you can do plenty of interesting stuff with it for 30k. Especially if you get some of the weapon packs + thanks to Rites of War. For example, I will probably run only 10 beakies as an elite squad and use terminators as troops. I will sell of the other 30 beakies. And I got myself Horus. 600/1000 points for one model? Yes please.
@@petrinafilip96 All of that for the low price of $570, man what a bargain. I'm sure it will attract a lot of new hobbyists. 🙃
@@Therockypony yeah you tuber saying 300$ very different to the 560 on the website
@@Therockypony Whats 570? Full collection?Newbies arent starting with 3000 points worth of models though, You are just looking for an excuse to shit on GW, this was probably their most fair release since Shadowspear.
The whippy sticks come in handy for line of sight issues ... and back in the day, little /tiny tape measures weren't a thing yet. But mostly they help with the line of sight things. I think it's a pretty big thing in HH, like in the old editions...
I've always been interested in Horus Heresy, and I've been sitting on a Betrayal at Calth set for a couple years. This box has caused me to jump headfirst, I have the big box and the Liber Hereticus on pre-order!
I plan to get this box as my first actual hurrah into 40k tabletop. I already have ideas on a homebrew legion (sibce i always attributed the mission legions to games workshop saying “make your own loyalist/chaos legion” and the 30k setting is what ive been waiting for
The price is low in GW dollars, but still pretty high compared to many other companies. I love the HH lore, but I don’t really want to pay $300+ to play 7th edition again.
I mean, it's a bit more than the starter set for Star wars Legion Clone wars (135+ euro), (for better and more minis) same with the Lannister VS Stark Game of thrones starter (140+ euro), with again less and worse minis. Infinity starter sets cost about half (90-100euros)... for about 10 monopose minis in total. Wargaming is an expensive hobby.
Yeah. It's this disturbing mindset we've gotten ourselves into where people look at this and go "OMG it's amazing value"....like...no it's not, it's just cheaper than what GW dictate the sale price to be. And GW still makes massive winnings off selling to third parties at discount.
The fact it costs the same as ASh Wastes says a lot
Poor's people problems lol
@@Matcapoeira86 isn’t it €225? That seems like a lot more than the examples you give. Also, it’s easy to make an argument when you cherry-pick some of the most expensive miniatures on the market as examples 😂
I recently got the starter box for Firefight and it has more minis than the HH one and was less than half the price. The rule set is also much more fun that 40K 7ed.
@@kenstewart3607 lol good for you man. I hope you enjoy that game. I personally just checked it out and I think the models look like dog shit. But enjoy. 👍
I actually got to see you at adepticon. you were with people who I assumed were your buddies and I was in the middle of HH events so I didn't say "hi" or anything but it was cool getting to see you in person.
It's a stunning price for what you get. That being said, what they're charging for everything else in the Hours Heresy release......yikes. That sh*t is crazy expensive. GW is easily making their money back with all the extra releases.
Still cheaper then the forge world versions tho… and I would have bought those
$35 for transfer sheet.....yeah ok GW 🖕🏻
3d printers go... You know. Brrrrrrr.
@@Mategeneral it’s one of those people !!! The brrrr people!!! So lame
@@minishaw280 I thought it is funny. I have the printer since a while, but didn't really print anything beside accesories for some units. It's quite hard to give up the good old plastic crunch. (Although I print an awful lot of stuff for fantasy rpgs)
I was keen, until I saw the Aus price. It's £100 per box more expensive than the UK equivalent. I could buy a whole new game and faction for another game just with the price difference, so it's a hard pass for me.
In Germany the translated version is 225😮€ (keep in mind translations are more costly and typically more expensive)
Gap games in Australia has it for 100 bucks cheaper than GW, and I’ve seen some cheaper than that, if you’re interested.
The combat company got it for $380. Still boggle the mind how an independent shop can sell it $100 cheaper and still make a profit yet GW asking price is $475.
Preordered my box along with a bunch of the additional things that they actually make money on. I used to dislike the old Contemptor dreadnought but the new plastic posable one is absolutely amazing, very happy with it so far.
I think people severely over estimate the cost of injection moulding.
Yes the tool costs a lot ... But after that the plastic is pennies...
Price reductions are probably to combat the adoption of... Alternatives
What is the cost of design, distribution, lore, artwork, and so on then...?
@@Zectari Not so much as to warrant these ridonculous prices. Every other company has these costs too, and yet they manage to crank out products at a way cheaper price point. Warhammer costs a lot because of the brand.
@@Esanssi10 you contradicted yourself a little, by saying it costs more because of the brand. You’re correct of course that other companies have the same areas to account for, but none have been as successful at it as GW with the Warhammer IP.
I am 100% sure GW spends more on lore writing than, say, Mantic does. Is that worth it to you? I think only an individual consumer can answer that question.
@@Zectari Well first, those are all done by employees who, on average, are paid just north of minimum wage. The lion's share of the money coming in due to their work isn't going to them. It's going to the shareholders.
Second, GW has reported profit margins (AFTER all expenses) of ~40%. For comparison, most companies in most other industries would consider 10% profit margins (again, after expenses) to be doing pretty well. GW makes four times that.
Third, GW have the benefit of economy of scale. They're bigger than any other competitor. Meaning they can produce models even cheaper, simply by virtue of having a bigger operation.
GW don't charge as much as they do because they need to. They do it because of Greed.
@@timunderbakke8756 Not quite sure how I contradicted myself? The models aren't marked higher to cover the cost of producing the books or handing out the Warhammer license to any video game company out there.
Higher prices come from them having established themselves as the Big Guy on the block, which in turn means they can slap whatever price they want on their releases, because they know that most people in the niche miniature wargaming sphere only ever get exposed to Warhammer. They don't have to worry about sensible pricing.
I have way more than enough plastic to paint right now, so this box is a pass from me. I might be tempted to get an individual box of Mark VI later and gussy them up in third party bits (or maybe even GW's upgrade sprues if they look nice). They're plain and generic by design but I've never been a big fan of "different legions are different colors and that's it", which they seem to be doing here a bit. I much prefer the legion specific resin contemptors, for example.
A RTB01 Space marine box set had 30 marines + heavy weapons + extra war gear was for £10-15
now gw just upgraded that sprue its now £47.50 for 20 marines +£26 for heavy weapons + more £s for heads
@@1kizhun They did WAY more than upgrade that sprue. And there's a *lot* more material in a more expensive mass production media, as well as way more pieces, way more options and way more customisation even within the individual kit. To compare RTB01 to the MKVI Tactical squad box is genuinely misleading at best. I'm also gonna go out on a limb and say RTB01 didn't have 60 special weapons and legion specific things (mostly because legion specific stuff is a relatively new concept in terms of models, from beyond the RT era)
@@1kizhun This is your friendly reminder that £10 in 1987 is £26 nowadays, and that RTB01 don't even remotely compare to new Mk VI in the level of detail.
Yes, they were still cheaper. And yes GW prices are ridiculous. But let's be fair in our comparisons.
In the UK it was £180 for the box direct from GW. But from Wayland games, it was only £140 so i grabbed the boxset, the Astartes rulebook, the special weapons box, and a Daemos pattern rhino for £240. Really looking forward to adding the new plastic leviathan dreadnought as well.
Preordered my copy. I plan to build and paint as a huge project in 2023.
They can put as much stuff as they want in the box. Once it’s past a certain price point it puts people off buying into a game.
Exactly. Making a game bigger doesn't make it any more accessible.
100%
That pause and sigh at 9:13 is priceless (no pun intended)
The main thing that disappointed me about this box, is it’s pretty much geared for Imperial Fists vs Sons of Horus. Those are the only Decals in it as you mention. They should have put all the legion decals in there and you can figure out what you want. As I’m new to painting miniatures, I decided to make 5 space marines as emperor’s children. I got decals off of eBay fortunately. But that aside, there’s soooo much plastic!! I have lots to build to try out different painting techniques and get better brush control.
Aside from the decals, other Legions like Dark Angels and Iron Warriors can get a lot of mileage out of this box.
@@ShadowGhost0117 oh totally. There’s a lot to be had out of this box and I only scratched the surface as it were.
I went all in, main box, 4 rhinos and a kratos. Super excited to play :)
Whale
@@ARandomPerson66 Your poverty is the consequence of your poor life choices. Sneering at others isn't going to help you out of the hole you've dug yourself into.
The spartan tank is basically an old school land raider. Looks good. I think the older GW designs were better than what they come out with today. Especially the marines. Keep your primaris guys, i want mk vi all day!
Plastic whippy sticks! My cat LOVES playing with those.
$475 here in Australia, same as Necromunda Ash Wastes. I guess GW figure we already have enough toy soldiers
You can find it for $375 some retailers.
Is is because the import tax ? Here in indonesia is just cost 2 dollar more (not include 20% store discount)
@@dracmanmage2864 People call it the Australia tax, This link examples it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Tax
@@duncanwilloughby still holy crap, just buy a 3d printer for that price.
@@jameseden591 It is price gouging, and must be stopped somehow.
Also, I think you missed highlighting on the back of the bottom cardboard divider looks like a uniform guide? Only saw briefly but looked like reference layout of the Space Marines for helping painters?
Even though I do like the feel of this box, (Oldhammer vibes) I think that I’ll personally wait to get some of the stuff separately.
Or wait if they release solar auxilias in plastic as well.
If the box is still being made when I get through my current backlog, I’ll pick it up. I do miss blast templates from my 4th edition days, but right now I have enough plastic
These are army builder boxes: Three boxes of Calth (bought from Dark Sphere for 25% off) made the core of my World Eaters force. Three boxes of Prospero made my Imperial Fists force. Now we have a box of 40 Beakies: If you want a Raven Guard force; three of these boxes (currently £130 each, £50 off full retail again at Dark Sphere) and you have more Marine troops than you can shake a pokey stick at. Heresy NEEDS bodies. The basic troop choice runs at units of 20 marines. The bigger guns will wipe out marines like flash lights on grots. Most of the tanks will tank a unit at a time. Heresy is the middle ground between WH40k and Apocalypse. Hence more really is more.
There was a plastic contemptor before it was in the BaC box but it was very very limited, the new one has all the posibility of the resin contemptors just legion agnostic.
Uncle Skirmish-or-Go-Home ♥️
I know is not related to the video above (and I didn’t find a video concerning this topic in your channel) but is there any chance you’ll ever make a video on “How to create a miniature war game”? You and Vince Venturella create one in tandem (a gorgeous one, even), so you have for sure experience on the process and I would be super in to hear that, if you will to share your knowledge!
I would buy this in a heartbeat but I don’t have a local scene for even my main game age of sigmar can’t justify this. Though i might just to paint it… it looks so sick
Gas is $5.60 by me. In a month, maybe it will drop to $4.80. "Woohoo, what a steal!" -_-
GW Pavlov's us on high prices. They release a $300 box. "Woohoo, what a steal!" -_-
"Again, I don't think they're losing money for selling this box for $300."
^This. People need to understand that while you're getting these models at a lower price compared to the products sold separately, that's only because the models are overinflated in price to begin with. This is plastic. None of it costs nearly as much as GW sells it for.
This is born out in recent earnings reports, where GW posted profit margins of ~40%. That's the money they make after squaring all their expenses. It's pure profit. For comparison, most companies in most industries would consider 10% profit margins as doing really well.
This isn't going to hurt GW's bottom line. The money funneled to the shareholders will be just fine. There just might not be as much of it. They produce these starter sets at a lesser profit because they intend to use it to nickel and dime the big spenders among their customers. The ones who think "yeah, these models are great, but I'd really like to expand the force, and give some of these guys special weapons".
Also, because while they're not making as much per ounce of plastic, they still got a bunch of suckers to buy that plastic in a big lump sum. Every casual customer who buys one of these boxes and nothing else has still given GW way more money than they otherwise would, all at once.
GW of course sells stuff at premium cost, but it's not like any company sells them for minimum they can get away with either. Still, as far as the rest of GW's pricing goes, it's good for those that can find boxes they're after that most of them do save you (a little or a lot) compared to purchasing all the products separately.
@@chromasus9983 unless you NEED the specific EXACT plastic models in the box because you have some sort of nuerological disease that makes you think plastic and 3d printed resin are somehow different after being painted, you don't even have to buy them at all.
I've got a box of this coming in, I haven't had a 40k army in 10 years, but now that my daughter is old enough we've gotten into AoS, and I've always loved the "period piece" that is the heresy, so this feels like a great starting point for us to jump back into the future
Adam: stop sending me 40k stuff GW.
GW: but you don't mean horus heresy right?
This is GW trying to get back people with the most positive and popular old school stuff I actually got two sets and I am totally set
I'm a 40k player that's been looking to build a HEAVILY converted Creations of Bile army for a little over a year now and I am so excited to buy this box as the ridiculously cheap source of marines that it is. 15 Chaos Marines and 25 Possessed coming up! With the price of this box as low as it is it leaves plenty in the budget for Tyranid, Dark Eldar, and Demon kits to make these 40 marines truly look like Bile's playthings
Thank you Element Games in the UK who pre-sold me the Age of Darkness box with a 20% discount thats GBP 136.00 (USD 170.00) and free shipping inside UK! If you guys in US/Canada are paying $299 thats a LOT of freight and duty up-charge. Hope your FLGSs can offer you a similar discount. Just saw the contents at UK Games Expo’22 and it looks great. There are some expensive options (I also bought a resin cast of myself) but these are discretionary and even with the extra weapons and a Loyalist book it’s very fair.
$360 in CAD Dollars in Canada!!
Plus 13% takes on top of that
@@MrFindoc sorry for your loss. It’s called 40k cos that’s what what I’ll probably spend between discovering the hobby and having nothing left to leave my kids except mountains of unpainted plastic
Can you still find Supremacy Force Imperial Fist box somewhere? All i want is Imperial Fists to upgrade my space crusade game... can any good-sir captain help me here?
I'm picking it up, but not to play HH. I'm going to use them for OPR, and sell the rulebook on to recoup some of the cost.
Ordered mine this morning. Never played HH but figure will give it a try. Even if it's not me, the kits look fun.
My local club is going hard for this box. I think I need to hold off even though I’m very interested, $300 is $300 after all.
I love how a bargain from GW is still a $100 dollars more expensive then from any other miniature company out there. Lol.
Honestly the only thing keeping me from Warhammer is that you need to keep buying rules. I sunk ~350-700 into KD:M and was happy because the game doesn’t constantly need updates like warhammer does. Just the rules alone cost >$100 often. Yeesh.
@@dylanchannell2531 Use one page rules with your 40K models then? No one says you need to use official rules?
@@dylanchannell2531 Look up One Page Rules
@@dylanchannell2531 just pirate the rules
Exactly. The new Firefight starter from Mantic destroys this.
I am interested in the MK VI armor. And maybe the tank. The rest, including the rules, is not interesting for me. So when I heard it's 300$ I almost got an heart attack. Luckliy it's only 225 € (242 USD) if you buy at GW and only about 180€ (193 USD) if you buy it elsewhere. Still a bit too much for some beakies... (I always forget that there are countries where GW is even more expensive - poor Australians)
Yeah. $475 AUD from GW for the box. Which translates to 320 euro on exchange rate, so it has the standard 40% aggravation tax we usually get.
Where are u seeing it for lower prices? Links?
@@spacemanvic3961 elements games or wayland
I read the books, specially the Horus Heresy ones, and I am looking forward to star playing... but I don't know where to start.
I fully expect all of the plastic Horus Heresy stuff to be 40k compatible once that rumored Codex Space Marines 2.0 rolls around. Give it more time and eventually everything will be either Primaris or HH.
Everything in that box is already 40k-compatible.
In previous edition on Horus Heresy there were more options than just Marines. There was a proto Adeptus Mechanicus that had fewer tentacles and more robots. There was a Custodes option though I don't know if the 40k Custodes were compatible. There was a Conscripted Humans that filled an Astra Militarum role. The Conscripts had no official model line, but could be represented by any GW humans from Genestealer Cults to Astra Militarum to Necromunda Gangers. There was also Daemons of the Ruinstorm which lets you run any Daemons.
It'll still be a thing, it's just that marines are centerpiece of this game and are first to be the face for new edition (they are for 40k, so it's even more obvious for Horus Heresy). Custodes and sisters of silence actually came from 30k to 40k and fit both games and it's 30k that actually can take more units (I don't know if you can use units like jumppack custodes and 30k custodes terminators in 40k).
I called myself a Kill Team exclusive tabletop gamer... until I fell down The Horus Heresy rabbit hole thanks to this video... So i owe you a huge thank you...
iv never watchd your videos before as this came across my we reccomend you watch list. its really interesting to watch a person that clearly has not done much horus heresy . you make very interesting points about the cost of the extras and the fact that this is defiently not a two player set but is a started set for an army. as for the cost aspect yes i agree this is probably gw either breaking even on a box or making say 5%. i can say that as an independent retailer in the uk my account handler and other have confirmed that the box is roughly 85% increaseed value meaning that whent eh set is split and released sepereately youll be paying about 85% more of the cost for all the items seperately
I’ve not really played Horus Heresy (other than the fact that I played 7th edition back in the day) so I thought my point of view on the set might be helpful to other ‘noobs’ to HH as well. That said, I’m sure GW is still making a profit (and more than 5%) on this set, but not nearly as much as usual. Thanks for watching!
My original Space Marine army from the late 80s were all pewter/ lead beakies, so this was a must have for me. I probably won't even play the game, but the joy of painting 50 plus models for the next few months will be enough. Price did sting here though, I paid $485 AUS on preorder and scoffed at any extras because of it.
I'm sadly an old fogie who's played since the early days, in fact i was at the hammersmith store the day after it opened purchasing some D&D manuals, so it fair to say ive seen a lot of changes to the hobby. I have always loved the grimdark flavour of 40k and the bleak sadness of warhammer fantasy battle's Old World. For 40k Ive collected, played and painted every army GW have made, (up until things started to go a bit skwiffy after 6th edition) ive flipflapped from then having absorbed and read each edition of the rules as theyve been released - I discarded 9th edition out of hand, and what a good thing I did - Rules bloat?!?
I wasnt too enthralled with the first edition of the HH game, although it peaked my interest. But this version, Age of Darkness, after much deliberation and reading of the rules has opened the door wide for me to step in. Its Mature, steamlined, its blown open strategies and options for building your armies and altogether seems like the best thing GW has produced for YEARS.
My Fear is that it's given the same treatment of errata, balances, rewrites, reworks and fiddling that is entirely unnecessary. So while ive gone in hard on this, my guard is still up. Good work GW, and nice video mate.
Those old bumpy shoulder pads looks fine they just needed to fill space since special and heavy weapons are sold separately.
I will get this for my death guard, switch some of the heads for the extras that come with the plague marines and maybe kitbashing some weapon options as well and then having an immense infantry heavy 40k army.
The rest of the models go to my blood ravens (which could be used as blood angels for HH)
Actually some traitor marines did have some chaos mutation’s just not alot (i had to look it up cuz i wanted some slighty mutated death guard mixed in with my normal one
"There is no chaos, yet" *Laughs in Word Bearer"
Thanks for the look at the box! I was wondering if this ruleset supports games on smaller boards, unfortunately *I don't have the room for a 6ft x 4ft table.
I keep telling myself I want this. Then I remember I never did anything with my Indomitus box...
You are learning grasshopper!
I’m feeling attacked. My two Indomitus boxes…ok one of them is built and primed, the other is half…shut up I’m not stupid you’re stupid.
I just bought them and these boys are going into my 40k Army. 4 Tactical Squads, 2 Terminator Squads, Contemptor Dreadnaught and that tank will be awesome. I also found it 255 on Amazon
3:59 I nearly blew coffee out of my nose... TOO FUNNY!!!
Just got it a few days ago to get back into Warhammer.
Mainly because it has the armour marks I love.
Will be re-using my 2nd edition tanks (mainly my spoon top predators)
But also my Rogue Trader era models. Have 37 of the RTB01 plastic imperial space marines, a fair few of the old lead models including 3 x the LE2 Imperial Space Marines..
But best of all 9 x the Cobra variant Terminators and 2 of the other ones (the 3rd variant not the Saturnine ones) which I'll be doing up to be Indomitus Terminators
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And yeah - have also bought a box of the Mark 3 troops, the 4 separate weapon upgrade packs, a leviathan, and paints.. Which has added a fair bit to the money spent.
But needed paints anyway coz ALL my old stuff (original round pots, the 1st hex pots etc) dried out ages ago
Disappointed to here there is not enough for two players in this box, this seems more like product to onboard already invested players. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
no 90% of current heresy players already have this its not worth it for us id rather resin multipose models the monopose gear is garbage.
i got 2 of these boxes, a deimos rhino, and 3 kratos tanks day of release lol. great way to build a start to a massive army.
Got mine ordered! I’m going with Emperor’s Children!
You guys making all your guys one legion or dividing the force into two legions? I’m going full Iron Warriors baby. I’ll probably do some kind of markings so I can split them up for a game with a mate though.
This was a great review, Atom Smasher. I appreciate how you commented on the issues with the Heresy shoulder pads in rhe past. I do love this era and the novels. I plan to use my stuff from the Calth (MKIV Armor) and Prospero Burns (MKIII Armor). Marine against marine is a cool concept.
some of the other new stuff like the rhino’s etc are actually cheaper than they normally are as well so that’s good to see that they aren’t making the stuff that’s not in this box more expensive than usual
although the forgeworld transfer sheets for the specific legions are very expensive for what they are and maybe the shoulder pads too
unless you're in Australia. the Deimos Rhino is ~50% more expensive than the 40K Rhino for us($78 to $55).
because yaknow, fuck Australia.
@@InfernoZz66 Compared to professional 3rd party decal sheets, the FW ones aren't particularly expensive, though ... and depending on the legion, one sheet will last you 3000 army points or even more.
Nice thoughts and insights into the boxed set - as someone who hasn't played 40k since 2nd edition (came back after a 20 year hiatus into AoS) I have ordered this box and am psyched to get it. I think it's because I've been slowly ploughing my way through the Horus Heresy novels over the last 5 years or so. I think you're right and this box will be a loss leader but more accurately 'Not As Eye-Watering Profitable' as usual GW products, a lure to new players into another gaming system, and why shouldn't it be? For once, they're looking at the big picture. And its worked on me though in fairness i have been 100% complicit from the start - I have bought the set as I really want to take my hobbying to the next level and was planning to use the box to create a diorama depicting the Space Wolves total annihilation of Prospero but i don't see why I then can't make 2* 1500 points of Loyalists and Heretics - so again - ka-ching - two books i'll need to buy (at a combined price) for somewhere between £65 and £85 depending on where you shop. It certainly won't stop me from enjoying hundreds of hours of hobbying though so i guess everyone's a winner.
I plan to recreate (as best I can) the original MK6 OOP Rogue Trader models and either display case them or frame photo...
Plastic wippy Sticks, for hitting your friends, for what else
I bought the box because it is a perfect offer. The box is really huge and bulging, the book in the box is a really good source for the Horus Heresy and ultimately is a good start to the game. I like the "old" rules because they somehow felt fairer with their tables and comparisons and I always get a little nostalgic because I liked the times when we used to hit each other on the fingers with the plastic sticks when you tried to finger your opponent's pieces or manipulate the rolls l are still well remembered.
Ultimately, however, it is a great box to put one or even two small armies from the Horus Heresy in the showcase, because so far I still lack the people with whom I can play this and the box came out a long time ago.
NEW DRINKING GAME proposal: Every time uncle Atom says 'like I said', take a shot of liquor. You will be legally dead by the end of the video.
Thank you for this review. The price point is great, but if I ask the question of, if the units were separate, would I buy them? The answer is no. I would love two Deimos plastic predators, the rule book and the loyalist book so I can pit my 40K armies against each other, but I just don’t need 50 more single models right now
I would like to get this box for myself and split it in half, in two armies. I need some advice how to build two armies.
Nice to see that this is £180 in the U.K. and $560 here in New Zealand. NZ$560 is £292, so we are charged £112 extra that's a 61% price difference.
GW doing both Horus Heresy (resurrecting 7th ed rules) and then Oldhammer coming back (resurrecting pre-Sigmar Fantasy rules), plus all the side games like Kill Team, War Cry, Necromunda etc. is... interesting to say the least. I wonder whether the audiences are really that segmented, that all these simultaneous systems can be supported?
Their entire business model is FOMO now. 95%+ of people who buy these boxes never even end up using them. Hence all the partially assembled/painted box sets on Ebay.
HH models are cheaper alternative to making armies with a decent number of tactical marines I believe. I got a decent amount of the mk 6 guys to build a Ravenguard army. Tactical marines, some 3d printing for vanguard vets, and a few other kits to put some backline fighters in.
The local-game-store discount makes the 20-man Tactical squad boxes a better deal than buying normal marines, and I mean, you could also just proxy them for the primaris versions, cus the only difference really is just look
Ordered the box and the Kratos tank yesterday. It looks great. Can't wait for the plastic Mastodon to be released
The interestimg thing about the "loss leader box" with high margin additions is bc these are plastic kits they are actually doming down in price for us heresy vets
You people do what you want. Just trys not to get Fomo'd into buying a box you actually don't want or which you do not have any plans for just because it is "a good deal" relative to GW's regular pricing scheme.
This. It's only worth $300 if you get $300 worth of fun from it.
Apparently GW made close to 100000 of those. It will stick around for a while like Dominion.
@@lokalnyork makes you realise how cheap plastic actually is.
@@lokalnyork and dominion they only made like 35k if I recall
Yup. I have no interest in playing another game. I’ll stick to 40k, and I don’t need this for 40k.
Now, I may be tempted by that leviathan plastic kit at some point.
i like the way they make a cool cinamatic trailer for it i thought it was some kind of a game but instead its just a trailer for a action figures