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- PKA reacts to the Huge Cheating Scаndals that happened this week in the world of Chess, Poker & Fishing | PKA & Wendigoon Podcast Clips
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I love watching good Christian sunday school teacher Wendigoon sit silently and uncomfortably as they talk about butt plugs lmao. Dude is a wholesome guy.
he is, I really like that dude
I’ll never understand this…. Has anyone… ANYONE, actually bothered to read the Bible or learn like anything about that religion or it’s history?
The only way it’s nice and hood by modern standards is to ignore or outright lie about what it says like modern priests trying to keep their flock attending.
It’s worse than many horror movies, it makes most horror movies look rather tame. It not advocates but commands rape, murder, torture and genocide including having and commanding parents kill their own children often simply because god wants to prove he can get his sheep to do anything and they’ll still love and worship him…. Really, the Bible makes the movie hereditary look like a nice family flick.
@@justinmartin4662 r/atheism
@@justinmartin4662 Taylor has at least, people in prison have because it's the only thing to do, the average churchgoer sure as shit has not.
@@justinmartin4662 dude, stop smoking your own body weight in crack, just stop doing it, chill out and take a nap or something instead
Kyle explained it perfectly. Only thing i would add is that her original reason for calling also made zero since. Her story changed a bunch of times since then.
Zero sense*
@@andrewyellstrom2585 correct thank you
@@doobyyy This is the point of confusion for me as well. We see it from the point of the pit boss while the players are still behind their cards not knowing or seeing the cards or percentages that we do.
@Kc her hand is almost always not good enough to call there. To risk her whole stack for that hand is way to high. People don't play like this.
@Kc doug polk did a video about it the other day. They caught a guy palming chips from her and it seems to me, and anyone else with 2 brain cells to rub together that make cognitive/rational thoughts, that he was in it with her and her boyfriend. No guarantee she cheated still but it would harder to believe there wasn't any foul play.
Woody, who was a networking engineer at CISCO, can’t think of a way to encode chess moves to vibrations...
My idea was Battleship morse code
woody aint the brightest if you listen to him
He got his degree in russia
@@pepeshadilay I think it was at a trump university
what does woody even bring to the table?
Love listening to people that only know 25% about the subject at hand
That’s why the content is still free
Yeah that's the internet. You'll only find someone with limited knowledge lmao
@@roamingthereal4060 Not really, he emphasises hitting the straight flush draw that is one card out of the tons of draws she had
@@xThexUndeadxomen J5 beats her hand. You would only chase like that if you were cheating or incredibly stupid. Like Kyle said: if she’s a good enough player to get to that table, she’s not that stupid.
Magnus Carlson has actually played 9 different chess players at once while blindfolded. So not only is he memorizing 9 boards but he's analyzing his opponents strategies and using his own strategy on 9 different boards simultaneously completely blind by memory. That's some super human shit. There a video of him doing it on UA-cam
That’s impossible. The human brain can only track 7 different things at once. He wouldn’t be able to do that blind, with 9 boards (18 setups, more than double the human capacity).
@@chadmann2724 why is there a video of him doing exactly that. You can look on UA-cam Magnus beating 10 players blindfolded and see it be done instead of talking our your ass.
@@chadmann2724 it was three different boards blindfolded, idk where this guy got nine from.
@@tpecky5835 I was so sure it was 9 but I looked it up again and it's 5. Type in "Magnus Carlson plays Harvard chess players blindfolded."
@@ButterBallTheOpossum You were right. I’ve only seen the most recent one where it was only 3. But yea he did play and beat 10 people simultaneously while blindfolded, actually mind blowing.
Chess grandmaster can memorise a board if there's a rhym and reason to the moves.
If the pieces are just randomly put in place, their odds of remembering it is similar to an average person.
Veritasium watcher
I don't know a lot about chess but I do know everything there is to know about vibrating butt plugs - Taylor 2022
Kyle should have explained that a big bet on a strong draw is good because it's a semi-bluff. In your opponent's mind, you have trips, so you have big flop equity. The only way you don't have trips is she has them, but then you can still close your draw and beat her.
Hold up. That garret guy was on survivor. Got voted out like right away cuz he was on a tribe of physically inept nerds and was too much of a chad.
Holy shit you're right 😂 thought I recognized him lol
You act like that's not the game, if somebody comes off as too charming or too good at influencing people early on they get voted off, you sort of have to be a little charming but pretend to be a little naive, like at the beginning you need to stay in the middle and only reveal your power level slowly as the game progresses.
To win Survivor you have to be manipulative but not come off as obviously so, if people automatically recognize that you're trying hard and know what you're doing they vote you off.
In regards to the poker issue.
She'd not only have to know his cards, but also what was going to be in the river (the cards drawn after she calls).
If she's cheating, it goes beyond knowing his cards. If she knew his cards, he still wins 53% of the time. It's basically a 50/50 shot, and that's not anything you want to spend that kind of money on.
I firmly believe something went on beyond what we saw. You don't give the money back if you won fair and square.
Appreciate the time stamps!
30 seconds in and woody's already wrong. gotta be some kind of record
When is woody ever right? Amazing anyone listens to what he has to say.
What did he say?
Lmao ik the fish being bought was wayyy wrong 😂
@@unforgivable9627 Woody said Hans claims he cheated to qualify for tournaments when in reality Hans claimed his cheating was to inflate his rating so he could practice against better players.
@@Staymare Hans us definitely cheating in tournaments no question
All he need to imput in the vibrator for chess is morse code for 2 letters and 2 numbers, much simpler than the pka guys thought
they dont memorize the chess board exactly. they just know that for any given configuration, there are only a few ways to get the board that way. that's enough to remind you how the game played out usually. you don't have to memorize every chess game you walk past or anything. there are just a lot of very familiar configurations of games that you run into because players of different levels kind of have typical habits, etc. they know what moves you played or anybody played in any game by kind of glancing at it and who's playing currently.
The way Woody begins talking so confidently about a subject that he has absolutely no knowledge of is hilarious. He likes to be that guy that appears to know everything about everything. It's okay not to know everything about everything, Woody. How can he be so concurrently wrong?
It's clear that none of these guys knows anything about chess. there are grandmasters that specialize in defeating computers, and they do it regularly.
The fact that she gave it back is the suspicious part. No one that made the greatest call of their career is giving the money back
a single hand does not prove cheating. in any single hand weird things can happen. its repeated sus behavior that indicates cheating. also, she would only be cheating if she knows what the next/last draw will be. I have never heard of cheating that can do that, even with the rfid cards it cannot read the top of the deck. the only sus thing is her giving the money back.
Giving the money back wasn't even sus on her part, it is sus on Garrett for trying to corner someone away from the public eye in order to try to extort his money back.
Glad I’m not the only one saying this
She also had a very sus connection to one of the employees of the game.
The game managers discovered the employee took 15k off her stack after the game and when she was away from the table.
She said she's never met the employee. Yet they followed each other on twitter and he immediately deleted his twitter account after all this went down.
Employee was immediately fired and cops were called after the managers discovered this. She chose not to press charges.
Go watch Doug Polk's videos on this situation if you're curious about all the facts / information.
It's quite clear something very suspicious was going on.
Also read Garrett's statement about his interaction with her after where she offered to give him the money back. He didn't ask for it.
So I watched the hand in context and she is very sus. The things she says doesn't make any sense (biggest idiot ever or making bad lies because she was caught) and some things she says is implying that she cheats ("I beat you off stream too" even though no accusations of her cheating had come up yet). Too me that is more sus than her play itself. Would have to watch way more of her games to see a trend but this hand isolated is weird but not damning in the least. What she says tho is very damning.
*Giving money back* umm forced.
They make the fisherman do lie detector test In which they failed a year earlier but managed to protest it
People used tiny computers in their shoes to beat the casinos at blackjack in the damn 1970s. Imagine the shit you could do now.
Useless for a smart guy. It’s easy to play the proper move. Counting is just hard to avoid getting backed off. Real cheating has someone looking at dealers cards
Surely you would just make the chess board a grid so 3 vibrations means 3rd row then how many vibrations to tell you which square so you now know what piece to move then repeat to tell you where to move to.
My anatomy teacher in high school's name was Mrs. Bush.
Those poker tables are like being a part of a cult there is certain hands and situations you play and certain hands situations u don’t. That is why she gave the money back she made a move she shouldn’t have. 100gs is peanuts to these high stakes players
Example...please
@@anonymousf454 there is certain table etiquette that is expected in profession gambling and I didn’t mean cult in the literal sense more so the average person doesn’t really understand table respect and etiquette
the chess thing is just the fact of knowing there are moves to make is all they need to know. they will figure out which it is fairly easy
Can pka talk about Nadia the biggest cheating scandal in cod
is there a good video to watch about that, i don't know who it is but COD news interests me
"Nadia won't send me feet pics" ftfy
@@ChuckwaldMartin watch faze censors video about it. very in depth
@@colttaylor8729 lol that was a good troll, it seems pretty clear she cheats though how are other people not calling her out by name
@@ChuckwaldMartin that’s the bigger problem as a whole in the community. cuz those streamer help generate sales for the game they get almost an untouchable status. there’s a few people calling them and activison out but they get buried.
As a tennis player and a very competitive one at that I can attest to the fact that there are many many many fist fights after matches for cheating
Bullshit…3 many’s equal none. Everybody knows that!
Tennis cheating? How?
@@Shoreline71 ok? Dunno what you’re on about
@@ihtenubz9697 pretty easily since you make your own line calls
@@balmorrablue3130 that doesn’t sound like it applies with spectators
maybe she just said fuck it, decided to call on a stupid hand just to roll the dice and see what happens. I've gone all ine with J 2 off suite before the flop and won.
I've gone all-in on a high card a few times just to try and get the others to fold. It's a 80/20 gamble that will fuck you most of the time
going all in is different than calling an all in. and calling after the flop is different yet. the more information you have that you're likely fucked, the weirder it is that you make the call
Its way easier than morse code. If in chess you simply tell the player which character to focus on (ie a5) that reduces the possible moves tenfold. From there a grandmaster should be able to work it out.
Kyle's experience is shit then. Let me preface by saying she 100% cheated. However there is a legitimate explanation for her play that had she explained it that way the first time asked about her play, we wouldn't be talking about it now. Had she simply claimed it was a hero call right after the hand is done. Nobody would suspect a thing. However she has lied like 5x now so that opportunity is over.
what is a hero call
@@ChuckwaldMartin A hero call is essentially The Hail Mary on your own 20 with 00:01 on the clock of poker. It is of or is the lowest % call you could possibly make. You're betting that the other player missed their draw and they didn't even pair the board while also having missed the board which makes it a high card situation. Furthermore your betting that at least one of your cards is higher than theirs based off of the fact you believe they missed everything and bluffing is no longer an option. They're super rare as most will just toss their hand if they're bet into on the turn or river and missed. Tom Dwan has a few you can research on youtube if you type in "Tom Dwan Hero Call"
@@davidlevy6418 Great explanation.
paused at 7:39, Kyle didn’t give us enough evidence to prove she is cheating the only truly sus action we’re aware of from this report of the hand is the fact she gave the money back to the person backstage after the game. A good player can make reads of their opponent simply by their position and how much they bet each round. Notice I say can as people are very good at masking the strength of their hands nowadays and not everyone can be read 100% of the time. Playing live gives you even more opportunities to make reads. Look at their facial expressions, watch how they throw their chips into the table, watch how they act as they wait for your action etc. Her opponent could have played in a specific manner that led her to believe he was betting on either the straight or flush prior to the turn, now he misses and barrel shoves after she calls. If that were the case I believe it’s not a bad read to assume it’s a coin flip where your opponent either has the nuts which typically would involve your opponent slow rolling you trying to syphon as many chips as possible rather than shove or he missed and is trying to buy the pot and hope the size is too intimidating for you to call. Regardless unless you’re short stacked and want better odds of winning to stay in the game long-term this turn should put most players under visible stress trying to deduce whether their opponent is bluffing or not and if it is a good idea to make the call since she is staring at a big pot she can win. So on that note simply calling means nothing in terms of whether she cheated there would need to be some other visual evidence that would raise suspicion of her actions like the giving the money back after. This should be studied more not only this specific hand but other hands she has played as well as the other player. In high stakes poker especially when televised the table is surrounded by familiar faces and most of all these players have studied each other and how they’ve played in the past to enhance their own game.
no
He didn't buy the fish they have to be live when weighed
While it’s daunting you have to assume she didn’t put him on 10s.
Now he’s got a stupid pair or flush draw like Kyle pointed out.
The chance to beat the pair is low but to go in means she knows it’s a 50/50 flush draw do to previous play imo.
Not sure how it’s indicative or cheating. If she doesn’t have crazy rates it’s possible you’re genuinely just watching bad poker that worked out. I’ve seen Daniel play like this before even on jack 2s and stuff.
This would be a much scarier move online I really think she’s soul reading and gambling here lol.
The guy did catch the fish that were stuffed with weights i think its the walleye fillets that he stuffed that were bought
Wings looks great
He put weight in then fillet then weigh to keep the weights from making noise
kyle not understanding a woman can play poker better than a man sometimes
I’m really confused on that poker story what did she do wrong? She called and got lucky or she didn’t call? I don’t understand
Woody looks like he has the coke gitters
Maybe adderal
Why didn't he just buy bigger fish lol.
if i had a penny for every time i got yelled at/told i couldnt play anymore because "thats not a move a poker player would make" i would have around a dollar. too fucking bad, poker is a game of strategy, my strategy is to do things you would never do, at random intervals during the game, even purposely lose hands.
You are the worst kind of person to play with. Don't know the game, make stupid moves that make no sense because you can't read the board and only win by accident. I don't mind losing money to skill but dumb luck is annoying.
I'd beat the shit out of you honestly if you took my money with that attitude but I also still have a prison mentality
It's a game of chance lmao, casinos aren't places you go to play games of skill...
Du du definitely ten balls 😂
in poker, don't some people go on a feeling of what the other player is doing. or playing the person, and some of these folks play so much with each other, that sometimes they go, wth lets check this out or go and I want to see this out?
Taylor they put Huge lead balls not weights
The guy who cheated in the fishing competition should have just stuffed the fish’s stomach with actual wild fish and not use foreign objects, heck just stuff a smaller bass up in the bigger fish and for ll anyone knows he caught the fish right after it had a big diner
Dude i came here to learn something about the cheap drama but after seeing how fucking horribly theyve botched the chess drama now i know i cant trust them
Uhh ok
the fishing cheater is a real pos. those guys spends thousands of dollars to compete at that level.
Remembering a chess board is very basic stuff with professionals in chess. Sometimes you watch them just playing around and showing something they will move the pieces say 7 moves back to where the board was to show ehat they were afraid of or teaching someone something. They remember whole games that they just happen to love. About Hans, he for sure cheats because it's just statistically not possible to move in a year as 19 from 2500elo to 2700. That's that, done, it's so huge difference that people don't even understand. On top of him cheating online and his mentor being a caught cheater, people analyzing some of his games to be perfect with moves that doesn't really compute with humans to do, think that many steps ahead.
Now in this Garrett situation, I'm not so sure she cheated rather than just looked her cards wrong. I don't see the motive because her husband is filthy rich which is why I don't also see the angle of people asking why did she pay him back then.. because 120k isn't much for neither of them and she propably was naive enough to think ok it's all cool with this because Garrett was sure there was something happening and apparently yelling off camera etc. Like Negreanu said that everyone, Phil Ivey have looked their cards wrong so it's not like something crazy and it's just the most straightforward explanation with occam's razor. Also now that Polk (who seems weardly convinced towards cheating) got the info that there was a employee at the backroom who wanted a cabinet moved and it helped him see a screen with peoples hands and that spiraled into was she and him in it together, but the guy literally pocketed chips from her so it also just seems weard lead to me to go towards that she was in it with him. That guy stole from her for sure.
What does Taylor's background really look like
It looks like a green screen but I'm starting to think he's just short, the squares look bigger than normal
I see two big reasons why that lady won
She most likely mis read her hand
The animal lovers are gonna crush this guy I promise this man is gonna go to jail watch animal cruelty etc is no joke
If she had just said " i put you on a draw" then it would have been over. What could he have said to that?
what does that mean
I dunno, I think that's just as puzzling. She still called with a very bad hand. Even if that were true his statement of "So you called with J high, why?" still applies.
No professional would do that. The only way you make money as a professional is sticking to proper procedure and not betting on wild hands or garbage. And raising 100k on trash is insane
@@michaeljacyna1973 meh why not? It's a gamble in a gambling game. It'd be called a dumb move if it failed but it should've been a glorious win. For it to be called potentially cheating is beyond my comprehension
@@cloroxusthestainlessone4324 Why is it beyond your comprehension? Are you experienced in poker? "Its just gambling" leads me to believe you don't really understand poker that much.
Kyle... there are so many possible reasons for her to do what she did.
Poker isn't Blackjack. You gotta play the player as well as the cards.
Yeah you can get dealt 60% win rates every round and still never win a cent in a poker.
Yes he cheated by listening to music through his butt for strategies not just using the row and column method
If she had said “you have a tell, I call” I honestly might believe her straight up.
Not even then. Because the tell would apply for much more likely bluffs like A-high hands just the same.
That's still a bad call. Even if you are sure he's bluffing, her hand is so bad that she can't even beat a majority of bluffs. There are only a few select card combinations he can have that she beats. It's a bad move.
The poker hand goes both ways. On one hand it is supsicious, because nobody would make that call with jack high. On the other hand it is not suspicious, because NOBODY would choose that spot to cheat. So, it kind-of cancels itself out. And you have to find REAL evidence.
And the only "evidence" is that the guy Bryan, who worked for the show, stole 15k in chips from her when she was away from the table. And people are jumping on that to mean that they were working together. Which seems fairly far fetched. Why would they choose him stealing chips from teh table as the way they payed him? Why would he only get 10% of her winnings?
Also, this guy Bryan was reported to of been dumping large amounts of money in a 20/40 NL game for about 1 month prior to Robbie being on HCL. So, it's possible that Bryan had been stealing chips for a while from players, and thought with all of the distractions, this was the perfect opportunity to steal some from her.
I think it's very UNLIKELY that she cheated. The evidence for her cheating is very weak. Also, a lot of the people who believe she cheated have gone off the deep end, and are claiming the most ridiculous theories. Now they have accused like 10 people of being in a massive cheating ring, even though most of teh players they accuse are DOWN lots of money on HCL.
I love pka so much, I just skip though woody
Love how Kyle pretends to know everything and knows absolutely nothing
classic kyle
....explain?
When I saw the title of this video I rolled my eyes, but Kyle got the broad strokes pretty accurate.
Already woody fucked it up in the first 5 seconds
Rookies do dumb shit. People do dumb shit. And its poker, people get lucky.
In poker, people also have cheated. The suspicion is only getting worse too. Garrett has every reason to suspect something nefarious.
It was $300000 dollars
So chess is 100% skill. Poker is like 55% skill. But fishing? That's gotta be pure luck, right?
I know growing up my dad would swear he knew the best spots, but I firmly believe that's just because he happened to get lucky there one time.
There's alot more luck in fishing for sure. A bad fisherman can catch more than an expert, although that's not likely. But the skill ceiling is much lower so it evens out much more quickly.
fishing is more experience than luck. You learn which fish are biting during particular weather conditions, or in different water temperatures, or when different fish spawn, and where they hang out to eat, the position of the sun changing the shade patterns under the water, as well as the size of the lake, amount of activity on the lake... etc.
Then there's live bait vs crank bait and spinner baits. Different lure depths for different fish. Line transparency and strength matter.
then some fish, i.e. catfishing is just a waiting game and bobber watching.
Trot lines. Jug lines. Dynamite. Electrocution. Noodling. Bow fishing. Or you can juat funnel them into a chute trap.
But luck ain't in the tackle box lol
@@SIX6SIXer "But luck ain't in the tackle box lol" If there's no fish you are not gonna catch anything, doesn't matter how good you are or how much you know.
@@Zuwze it's called a fish finder
@@SIX6SIXer Might aswell use a net then, about as much skill involved.
Each square has a number/letter combination, the combinations can be paired in Morse code to tell the player what to move where. B2 to B3 for example.
Its very possible she cheated, but isn't the point of a game like this that you can take crazy risks?
She's being bankrolled by another player at the table, essentially playing with his money. You really gonna just take one of the craziest risks of your poker career when it's not your money and the guy is going to be able to see in real time and on a live stream recording after the fact the kind of dunce move you just made with HIS money?
@@SylvesterLundgren Thats a really good point, considering she gave back the money I would have to agree she might have cheated. But it does seem kinda strange that it's so unusual to make a risky move, happens in sports all the time.
@@caseywally3647 No, this isn't classified as "risky" as she was the caller of the raise. She was either a complete moron or she was cheating.
Hans did nothing wrong I believe. They have provided zero evidence that he's cheated other than his online games when he was much younger. The organization that ran that in person tournament and Magnus Carlsen who claims Hans Niemann was cheating against him are right now in a multi-million $ deal to purchase Magnus Carlsen's online chess site and he was getting shown up by a younger lower ranked guy and he freaked out. Now he can't go back on his statements and the chess club who he is in a deal with can't allow him to look bad so they are trying their absolute hardest to label him a cheater. It's bullshit.
The stuff Taylor was saying about a 100% game is totally wrong. It doesn't work like that. Grand Masters very rarely make even a single mistake playing. It comes down to who sees what strategy first and then moves in a way that follows that strategy. The bathroom thing is also totally wrong. These top guys are so sharp that all they need is someone to tell them there is a move to make one time in a match and they win. Just knowing there is more than one opening for a specific strat in a single turn once in a game is enough to ensure winning.
One thing is that they tried to say is that he was playing games that were 90 or 100% matching a bot game. That's the 100% thing Taylor was talking about. It doesn't mean it's 100% the correct move, it's how close to a bot ran game he's played. There is not perfect series of moves for a chess game before the game starts. It's entirely dependent on what the opponent chooses as his/her strat going into the game and whether he/she changes it during the game. The problem with matching a players moves against a bot is not all bots will make the same moves. So to get close to that 100% you have to start adding more bots. And the problem with adding more bots is that the bots also choose strats based on what is on the board each turn, so if you add enough bots you'll end up with a 100% for every game played by every Grand Master. It's not at all a clear method of determining guilt of cheating in the least.
Every time I watch one of these the more faith I lose in woody
Why don't you like Woody is OG
Woody is so dumb
Garrett is class. Robbi probably cheated.
Garrett isn't class. There is literally no evidence of her cheating beyond one bad call that happened to pay off. She wasn't even ahead in equity, she was more likely to lose the hand than win. When you have a sub-50% chance to win, why would you be putting in all of your money? You are cheating, you know there are many many better positions to be playing for stacks that are safer for making money. It was a negative EV call, even WITH knowing both hands. This isn't Mike Postle getting max value with absolute garbage for weeks on end.
@@ShaggyRogers1 idk bout anything but heard that she knew a staff and he was helping her in some sorts... when questioned she said didnt know him but they were following eachother in some social media platform... the guy was fired later as ive heard... sounds pretty sus to me
@@KTM_Trooper I heard, I heard, I heard.
@@BrooklynBoy206 nah theres no hearing now there is a thread... also one of the comment also mentioned it somewhere over here
@@ShaggyRogers1 The development about the employee theft has me flipped around to "likely cheating."
That woman is literally a videogame title…. “Super Hot” 👁👄👁
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she didn't cheat
How can u prove that tho
@@raichuraichu7632 you can't prove she did
@@giotheboom yeah that's what I'm saying, like if they are accusing you of cheating how do you prove you didn't tho? I'm not arguing with you bro I'm asking lmao
@@giotheboom oh I think I see what your saying, it's accusations so how can they prove she cheated in the first place right? Imma be honest I don't know anything about poker so this why I'm confused lol
@@raichuraichu7632 no worries man
Need to do an update…Guys got fucked hard…Boat was taken by the state etc…
I hope Woody gets his twitching checked out that could be long term
it is long term, he’s had it forever. i’m pretty sure it’s a nervous tick.
Its Tourettes bro it doesnt just go away lmao
You guys have literally no idea what you're talking about re chess.
Everytime i watch PKA their opinions are just dumb as hell. And their takes on things are always flawed in one way or another.
Kyle says it only makes sense if she was cheating, but that’s the worst possible spot to cheat… and there are a bunch of terrible players that play in that game, u just need bankroll
True but either way, winning by dumb luck off a bad move is sacrilegious so poker players