The Traditional Catholicism Iceberg Explained
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In this video, we’ll be going over the Traditional Catholicism Iceberg. We’ll be covering topics such as the Traditional Latin Mass, Vatican II and the Clown Masses, Sedevacantism, and several other interesting topics.
Most of these entries are very brief overviews of the topics. I might make a full video expanding on some of these topics in the future. But I hope you guys enjoy this deep dive into Traditional Catholicism.
Note: After some reflection, I realized that I may have been too favorable towards sedevacantism, the Dimond brothers, and strict interpretations of “Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus”. When I first made this video, I didn’t think anyone would see it. It was just a fun project I wanted to make. My original intention was for this to just be entertainment, which is why I didn’t take things too seriously. But after seeing how many people have seen this video, I realize that I should’ve had a little more tact when dealing with these delicate topics
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CORRECTIONS:
-EWTN Stands for “Eternal Word Television Network” not “Eternal World Television Network”
-The TLM was not created in the 1500’s. It was a gradual development over several centuries, with many of the practices going back to the apostolic age. It was just officially codified more formally in the 1500’s.
-Matt Fradd didn’t actually apologize for hosting the debate. He just said he “regretted hosting it”
-“Saecula” is a plural word. So in the glory be, it should be “ages of ages”. Not “age of ages”. Also, “Saecula” is accusative, so it should actually be “into” or “unto” the ages of ages”
-The Dimond brothers do not believe that there are no valid bishops left in the world. They just believe that the Bishops who are validly consecrated don’t hold jurisdiction in the Church.
probably better off pinning this
I’m glad he hosted the debate. Mainstream Catholics like to just pretend these issues don’t exist.
@TheBlackopsDS I actually pinned it at first. I think it unpinned automatically after I edited it. Thanks for pointing that out 👍
Of course Matt Fradd regrets hosting it; no one can debate the truth because the truth absolutely irrefutable. The Church isn't made of illogical conclusions that some call "faith" it's made of the people who make the MOST sense and MHFM is among those people.
@@AntonioEligius Can you elaborate more because is obvious that Matt will regret it? Is an honest question and not being sarcastic or anything like. Just honest curiosity.
I am a 23 year old Catholic, and I had never EVER heard of any of the "clown" or other sacrilegious liturgies that had happened... I am truly speechless, I had no idea it was this bad
It is a shyteshow
I'm twice your age and had never heard of such a thing either. Speechless is about right. Truly one of the great 'what were they thinking?' moments in world history.
I also didn’t believe it when I first heard about it from my dad. That was about 7 or 8 years ago, and back then it was almost impossible to find information about it online.
No where does the church ever allow for a clown mass . These are abuses.
Me neither. When I heard that term "clown mass" from dr. Taylor Marshall, I brushed it off.
Then I saw this video... What a plot twist it was. I do not know if I can completely trust the priests of Novus Ordo now. I am glad that priests in my country, even though they are Novus Ordo, some of them still keep holiness and administer the Holy Eucharist in mouth only.
I'm informing my parents that I will be being baptised tomorrow (they are Atheist and I converted in 2020). Talking about how there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church and how important baptism is has provided me with the adequate motivation and anxiety to actually take steps to becoming baptised ASAP instead of leaving it as a "I'll do it tomorrow". Thank you very much and God bless you.
Praise be to God! I hope everything goes well with telling your parents. I'll be praying for you
@@genzcatholic3366 Thank you very much! I told my parents a few hours ago and it all went smoothly. My parents actually contacted my local catholic church about the baptism straight away, before me. Please continue creating good videos like this one, it is making a serious difference! I will pray for you and your family. Praise be to God!
Catholic church does not believe that only in it is salvation. It's rather that you are most likely. Thing about it, you have protestants and orthodox, we may believe they have missinterpreted the God's will but they are christians too, all of them are chalcedonian, believe in trinity and that Jesus is Lord and Saviour etc. It's laughable to claim that other Christians would be damned just because they don't follow tradition or do not listen to Pope.
@@NothingSerious...2 there are non-Chalcedonian Churches that are more Christian than most protestants
@@NothingSerious...2 Pope Pius IX, Etsi Multa #25: Therefore the holy martyr Cyprian, writing about schism, denied to the pseudobishop Novatian even the title of Christian, on the grounds that he was cut off and separated from the Church of Christ. “Whoever he is,” he says, “and whatever sort he is, he is not a Christian who is not in the Church of Christ.
There are no Christians outside the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church founded by Christ.
You are quite ignorant of the teachings of the Church if you don't know the most famous dogma: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. (Outside the Church zero are saved)
Personal opinion, and a bit of a warning from someone who came back to the Catholic faith and delve into traditionalism. Although a Protestant, C.S. Lewis warned that although protestants are in danger of getting lost in a desert, Catholics are in danger of being suffocated in a jungle.
Look, there's a spectrum regarding thr ultra modern and ultra trad elements of the faith, both extremes in my opinion are heretical and harm the Church.
Traditionalism is certainly healthy in the right doses, but going too deep down this rabbit hole and stressing about it can distract you from the more important foundations of the faith: that Jesus Christ so loved the world and gave his life for all of us to achieve eternal life. Go to Mass, take the bread of life, go to confession, and stand up for your faith. Learn about our traditions and be well learned, but being too hard on yourself and others can lead you astray.
Finally someone who understand things similar as me
Lewis was never a theologian. He was wrong about many things in Christianity.
I am 23 years old and I returned to Catholicism after having renounced it at the age of 11 after my first communion. Praying again and feeling close to God made me reflect and feel proud to be Catholic.
Praise be to God! That's amazing
@@genzcatholic3366it truly is amazing.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.
Pride goeth before destruction. You cannot be saved by being in the Catholic church and taking the sacraments. Jesus Christ is the perfect propitiation for our sins. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Jesus Christ will cleanse all your sins and you can pray directly to Him for salvation.
@@IsaacNelson54yeah! What he said! 😀
@@IsaacNelson54did you not understand the comment?
I am 42 years old and a cradle catholic but embraced traditional Catholicism when I actually learned about it through traditional priests like Father Ripperger. It is a relief to see that younger generations are returning and accepting the original Faith.
Same here, just 5 years older. Pretty much left the church just to realise 20 years later that I disliked the NEW church, the guitars, hand holding and "niceism".
What a great video! I'm on my 6th pope, so I clearly remember pre Vatican 2 and how it confused me as a child to have these radical changes in my formative years. Many times I enter a modern church and feel like Mary Magdalen. " They have taken My Lord and I do not know where they have taken Him.". It literally brings me to tears of joy to see a new, young generation turning back to faithfully follow Christ. Thank you, young Trads!
@@LonelyNEBoy No, I meant, like her at the tomb, when Christ had risen and His body wasn't there. She thought someone had taken His body away. But yes, she is the apostles' apostle.
@@LonelyNEBoy I think she(he) was talking about the time she went to see Jesus tomb and He wasn't there. She(he) is not discussing if Magdalene is saint or not... (I think that was the point... might be wrong)
But in this case, you know Christ is there in the Church, right?
Is that confusing to you to find Him there? 😅
@@punksintheback7062 No, it's that He's NOT there in some churches. I was at one where I had to ask where the Tabernacle was. It was not on the altar. They put Our Lord in a room at the back that was used for a closet previously. No wonder less than 30% of Catholics believe in the Eucharist. I truly feel bad for the younger generation. They were robbed of the reverence and beauty of the Faith. Kids don't respect their parents because their parents don't respect God
@@claudialupper Your a Sedevecantist then.
Clown Masses are so rare as to be virtually unheard of outside of Trad Catholic circles. This is an example of slicing off a narrow piece of extreme liturgy and representing it as common and threatening. That’s propaganda rather than argument.
True. We don't have that in my country. I believe in embracing traditional Catholicism but I also don't associate with trad caths. I notic3 many are sedes now, basically a protestant and call Catholics points or popesplainers. How are they not protestants?
The fact that it happened at all is intolerable.
@@thisisaname5589 it's like the boogeyman, you hear about it from radtrads but never witnessed it nor know anyone who witnessed it at all
@@nenabunena It happened. It should not have. It is unacceptable that it did. These are all true statements.
@@thisisaname5589 thing is I never knew nor heard of them until tnt brought it up. Idk anyon3 2ho has witnessed or even heard of it except online by anonymous sources
The section that is read aloud from the current catechism makes a lot of sense. I disagree that it is unclear or unorthodox. Our faith is personal, however, it is a product of what we have been told by those around us, as well as what has been written by those who have had faith before us. Furthermore, faith is not something that we come up with on our own, and give it to God, but instead, like all things, it is a grace. Our faith is incomplete on our own and depends on God‘s grace. I think a mature understanding of this topic recognizes the fact that there are many aspects to what we call “faith“. Protestant and fundamentalist approaches make things narrow, but the Catholic understanding is always more full. Much in the current catechism makes room for this beautiful aspect. God bless.
His misunderstanding or lack of understanding on that very clear and simple passage was fairly discrediting to the rest of the video.
In Philosophy, it is aptly called an “uncharitable” reading. Take care, Gen Z Catholic. It is no small thing for a Catholic to mock the authoritative teaching of the Church. Pride is the root of all sin.
I also think that the cathesism is actually quite good
I'll admit it's hard for me to understand the language of the Catechism sometimes, but Father Mike Schmitz does a great job of breaking it down and explaining it in the Catechism in a Year podcast
15:00 I lean more traditional than modern but one thing to consider about the Luminous Mysteries is that Pope JPII instituted them as a response to several of the modern issues that weren't seen at any other point in history.
The Baptism in the Jordan is a Luminous Mystery due to the increasing view of baptism as not having any actual meaning or sacramental power.
The Wedding Feast at Cana largely pertains to the joy surrounding marriage, since divorce was happening much more often at the time.
The Proclamation of the Gospel means to actually do what is demanded of us as Christians, since that has largely gone by the wayside post V2.
The Transfiguration pertains to the transcendent reality of Christ, not merely an imminent reality (imminentism is a major part of the heresy of modernism)
The Institution of the Eucharist is a reminder that yes, Christ is really present in the Sacrament of the Eucharist, since belief that its merely a symbol has become so prevalent.
The Luminous Mysteries are a product of the time, but also a product for the time, and I think the fruits and purpose of it are good and necessary. The issue is many people believe the LM do kind of "throw off" the rhythm of the more "traditional" Rosary if doing particular mysteries on a daily basis.
I love luminous mysteries. I think it's the most unworthy traditional claims
The problem many traditional Catholics have with JPII's Luminous Mysteries is that not only is it yet another post-Vatican II novelty on top of all the others people have had to endure but it breaks the relationship with the psalms. Historically members of religious orders would pray the psalter daily. That is, they would pray the 150 psalms in their daily office. Laymen who didn't have a Divine Office book or couldn't read, and thus couldn't follow along strictly, could still pray the 150 Aves of the Joyful, Sorrowful and Glorious Mysteries. The 150 Aves were a way for laymen to participate in the prayer of the brothers and nuns, to join them as it were. JPII's trying to add to the Rosary breaks that connection and people just see that as another diminishment of traditional practice of the Catholic faith.
I didn't take to them right away( I had the other 3 sets memorized & just kept going with them). But as I learned the LM I have really come to enjoy them . They might actually be my favorite since they are so relatable.
@@jamessauve2419Does that weigh up to the benefits the luminous mysteries offer? I think nowadays the connection of the Rosary with the Psalter is purely academic, just an inspiring fact about the origin of the Rosary. The addition of the luminous mysteries making the Ave Marias add up to 200 (203 with the starting Ave Marias) doesn't really eliminate that fact, you sometimes just also have to explain that the Rosary used to have three sets of mysteries. I will say that I'm more worried of the implication that John Paul II felt the need to "fix" the Rosary as Mary had given it to saint Dominic
As a lifelong atheist, after noticing the world was controlled by malignant powers that seemed bent on calling us to constantly more depraved and harmful things I started going down a spiritual rabbit hole and after a year of studying I decided Christ was definitely the way to go. So, yes, I DEFINITELY believe the world is controlled by Satan. Even when engaging in secular things that I would consider pretty Christian-friendly media or entertainment, there's ALWAYS at least one thing that jumps out as trying to pull us away from God, no matter how slight.
I'm not a rad trad. I'm a glad trad
And I’m both lol
I’m a tad trad.
I'm a glad rad trad... 😉
I’m a tad glad, a tad rad, but I’m glad I’m a trad
One of my church friends calls herself Tradismatic. Love it.
I am 22 years of age and I recently reconverted back into the catholic faith. For many years after my first communion I acknowledged myself an agnostic, but recently I prayed again and felt how everything I was saying was true, even wept at the end. After many years I went back to confession and I find myself going back to church again and taking praying very seriously. It was only by learning the teachings of the bible that I found the catholic niche on the internet and, hence, your channel. It seems so me that the things I have been learning are way more aligned to traditional catholicism than the actual teachings of today. Communion on the tongue kneeling was the first things I came across and, ALMOST ALL my catholic friends thought that was weird. I can only be grateful for this community and your work. God bless you all. Deo Gratias.
Thank you so much for your comment
I also had somewhat of a reversion to the faith through Traditional Catholicism. I never stopped practicing the faith. But I didn’t take it very seriously at all for a few years. I ended up at a TLM one weekend when I was visiting family. I also discovered Taylor Marshall’s podcast that same day. My life changed pretty quickly and I started taking the faith much more seriously after that.
My wife was also made fun of when she started receiving communion on the tongue. At the Church she grew up at, 100% of people received in the hand. And even at our current Church, we’re probably one of a dozen people who receive on the tongue. It’s sad how widespread this problem has become.
But I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’ll pray that you continue to grow in the faith, and I ask that you please pray for me.
@@genzcatholic3366 Will certainly do so, keep up the good work!
@@sriveralopezGlad you’ve returned to embrace God with open arms! Bless you fellow Catholic! 🙏🏻
I attend the Mass of the Church (novus ordo). And I’ve been catholic all my life (40 years). And I’m also a Catechist with RCIA (OCIA). No one turns away communion on the tongue and we veil in our mass our mass is very reverent and it’s unfair to misrepresent the NO and label them all “clown mass”
True. Cradle Catholic here for 55 years from South East Asia and I have only attended the Novus Ordo mass. Honestly, I have never seen nor attended a Novus Ordo clown mass from all the parish that I have been part of. When my family moved residency last 2010 we have been attending very reverent masses from the Sacred Heart Parish run by the Jesuits for 13 years now.
I don't think he said ALL n.o are clown masses. It said "we have seen....." and that is truly shocking. It is the permissivness and outright desire to ruin the reverence that came from that generation which resulted in these abuses. It's not all n.o. We love the TLM but have gone to many good n.o. parishes. Our tlm is at a parish church so we still go to it when we can't or don't have a tlm. But I will say the difference is striking even at a "good" n.o. one example is that when our boys serve the mass they are well groomed and dressed alike and they do a practice and training so that they move with military precision. No matter how good the n.o. they always seem a little raggedy since they have girls and boys up there wearing whatever and hair everywhere and half the time they don't know what to do or how to sit in reverent attention. Just one pet peeve of mine... There are other small things but I agree we shouldn't get into a groove that the n.o. can do nothing right. There are many very loving and faithful people there.
Thank you
@Pat Last that’s not a prophecy
It’s you rejecting church authority
@Pat Last yes, that’s most likely the traditional radicals.
They walking away of the legitimate church and following one outside of it.
Also, “ you will know them by their fruits”
Radical trads have literally nothing in their heart that says I’m a follower of Christ, they are Pharisees
As an ex-catholic who is currently seeking to understand better why I left, and possibly return to the church someday, I am grateful for your work on this video! You've given me many paths to explore and consider.
I know I felt pushed away by the church when I was younger. Now I'm left wondering... Who did the pushing?
This is a rabbit hole. Thanks for opening the door for me.
That’s wonderful to hear! Definitely keep looking into returning to the Church. We’d love to have you.
A person I always recommend to anyone exploring/thinking about returning to Catholicism is Trent Horn. He’s a convert to Catholicism who has written a lot of books and has a great channel on UA-cam called “The Counsel of Trent”.
I’m really glad you liked the video!
I was close to your situation about two years ago when I saw myself trying to understand St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas better, not into any intention of returning to the Church, but to debate against a Calvinist friend - don't know why, but I used to love the catholic church and I craved to defend it even apart of it, somehow.
I became so passionate about it that I ended up reading over other Saint's lives, and I was just mesmerized by how they lived what they preached. That was the time I was presented to tradicional catholicism, but it looked so far from my reality since this kind of thing they call "Novus ordus" became an example of Catholic living mass. Another thing that bothered me, is how strong "Theology of Liberation" is in Brazil, what brings people to live like pagans, or whatever, but not as regular catholics.
But by a miraculous way, I found a very - VERY - traditional priest who performs only TLM, and that was it. I lived, for the first time, the real bloodless immolation on a tradicional mass and I had no doubt anymore. I found my squad and now I'm back to the Church.
I'm sharing my short story hopping you find your way back too! ✨🙏✨
@@LiahVanStas Wow, this is stunning and beautiful. ♥ You have touched my heart. Thank you.
@@LiahVanStas I born in 1953 , baptized within 6 weeks, I'm one of nine siblings born of a Mother of Irish Catholic descent Surprisingly married to a Baptized Lutheran Father of us all. Raised Catholic, We were the little angles screaming as mass in the late 40's all though the 50's including the first decade of the 60's . Recited Latin in parochial school. We actually learn how to participate at mass, in latin.
Go back bro, it's good for your soul
I'm a catechumen, and this video honestly caused one of my biggest feelings of doubt yet. I think it'd be good to be more careful in how you frame things because a lot of what was said in this video is heavily overblown, biased personal opinions, and at least personally feels like it's flirting with schismatic thought processes at times. I know you've said you're not schismatic yourself, but the video just feels dangerous, at least for those interested in joining the Church like myself, and it almost gives an impression to me that the Catholic Church is on shaky ground authoritatively. Maybe it would help to at least reiterate somewhere in the video that despite your disagreements with the approach of some things and the embarrassing and irreverent events that have occurred, the Church has never made dogmatic error, as that is an impossibility.
A couple of these things are interesting to learn about though, like the Douay Rheims Bible translation and the third mystery of Fatima. Also the Shroud of Turin is an interesting one and should have had more said about it as there are many more interesting aspects that have been discovered about it that make it impossible to have been faked, impossible to be recreated even today, the carbon dating they did being flawed and later discovered to have been taken from a patched piece of the shroud, hence the early dating, all other testing locating and dating it to have originated from Jerusalem at the time of Jesus, how the image is actually on the shroud, etc. Maybe it would have been nice to hear more about this, rather than more depressing and ridiculous schismatic drama like Sedevacantism/the diamond brothers....
I've read through almost all of the newest Catechism, and it makes sense to me. I actually thought it explained things beautifully and understandably, even to an outsider like myself. I don't really get the snarky excerpt reading that was done in this video... Sounds like a misunderstanding on your part, honestly, rather than it "saying nothing." That bit took credence away from the whole video for me really.
Also, the constant hounding of the Second Vatican Council and especially Novus Ordo Mass is concerning and very heavily overblown. When done correctly, the Novus Ordo Mass is just as reverent as the Latin Mass. And no matter what, it is still a valid form of Mass of course. I previously had another scare caused by "trads" that made me think that the Novus Ordo Mass is bad and irreverent until I read an article explaining why the Novus Ordo was created and all the reasoning behind the differences and how it's actually closer to the historically original Masses than the TLM in some ways, includes far more scripture, and allows much more laity participation. Here's a quote from that article: "A common criticism of the revised Mass is that it lacks the sense of mystery and transcendence of the Tridentine Mass. But that impression derives not from the rite itself but from a superficial idea of mystery and from the irreverent, bland, and blasé ways the liturgy has too often been celebrated. The answer lies not in distancing people from the mystery but rather in drawing them more deeply into it."
Overall, once I got through the doubt and dread this video caused me, this video is just disappointing. I wish you would tone it down with your approach, "trad" framing, and borderline schismatic flirting, because I see potential in this channel and I would love for there to be more solid Catholic content created by younger people like me. This video just wasn't it...
Don’t give up. There is a saying that a person should stay in the Church even if there are problems. I’d you’re on Noah’s ark, you don’t jump off because there are lions there. Stay in the ark friend.
Thank you for this, you caught many of my feelings on this video
I whole heartedly agree with all that you've said here. I'm glad that you were able to look past the obvious bias in the video. I'm realising that my comment is quite a while after yours has been posted, so I'm going to assume you've been baptized by now and say congratulations and welcome! And if not... I wish you all the best in your preparations!
Yep, this comment resonates with me a lot. This guy has passion and seems pretty learned, and I like that a lot, but I feel that he's pushing too hard in the trad direction and letting the passion run too high, which could and can cloud judgment. I can confidently say this because I've seen this even in myself before. I am more aware nowadays thanks to Gods grace, praise be Jesus Christ, amen (not perfect, but getting there one step at a time). The video itself was good and had very useful information (especially the clown mass', what a bad day to have eyes). Also, (hopefully) congrats on your baptism! Welcome to the church!
I became Catholic while attending the N.O. Honestly, I always found it uninspiring, but grace and learning about the Deposit of Faith converted me. Eventually, I attended a couple of traditional Masses, just to check it out, first a low Mass, followed by a high Mass. The high Mass blew me away. I instantly knew it was superior to the N.O., although it took me a while to fully understand why. All I'll say is that, if one attends the traditional Mass consistently enough to really absorb it, it's very common for it to become extremely painful to attend the N.O. This is my experience. It's very hard to fully see what is wrong with the new Mass, without the contrast, but with the contrast, it takes an act of will to deny it.
I have NEVER hear of these clown Masses. This Is actually sick stuff.
Also my Catholic school taught me the different forms of baptism (I thought that was normal church teaching but clearly there’s something else going on)
I literally can’t put into words the amount of information I’ve gathered watching this video. Definitely gonna sub👊
I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
Baptism of blood and desire are legitimate, but only when understood correctly. I also went to a Catholic school. And they taught that anyone who was generally a good person had a Baptism of desire when they died, even if they rejected Jesus explicitly (which is heretical). Catholic schools are completely goofy nowadays.
The clown mass that is pictured in this video actually took place in an Episcopalian church in NYC.
My former preist was a former clown. Used to bring up his clown past in his homilies but he never actually dressed up as one. After he retired though he went to travel with this circus while doing masses with them and he has a clown alter cloth that he uses. And maybe a vestment? I don’t know if that’s sacrilegious but he is a good man. Very passionate about Jesus.
Some Protestant churches don't even do a proper Baptism in the name of "The Father, Son and Holy Spirit" I don't even remember if mine was done properly (I was only 10 when it happened). But Monsignor Yonk (who was my Pastor) accepted it (I wasn't rebaptized at Easter Vigil, I only received First Communion). And I was Confirmed the next year.
The 70s was a weird time and not just in the religious sphere …
There is a lot of misinformation in this video. There are a lot of facts that are only half true, or strategically leaving out facts. As Catholics we are to submit to our Bishops, our Pope, and the Councils of the Church. To do otherwise is to be Protestant.
You're presupposing that non-Catholics such as Bergoglio have legitimate claims to those offices. They don't. A person who is outside the Church cannot command from within.
Vatican II is Protestant
It's sad to see this protestant attitude
@@danie1p Accepting manifest heretics as ordinaries is not Catholic.
@@j.knight9335 I think it actually is. I'm not very knowledgeable but when a bishop teaches heresy he doesn't cease to be a bishop. Of course that would be a terrible thing to happen.
Shouldn't we have faith that God will preserve his Church?
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It's funny how when someone is so deep in the loop of whatever group they belong to, it just seems completely unhinged and obsessive to normal people outside of the loop.
Equating “clown masses” to the authentic form of the NO mass is grossly disingenuous. It’s OK to like the TLM mass over the NO mass, but it’s by no means superior nor is somebody “more Catholic” or holy for having such preference. Liturgical abuse is just that… liturgical abuse.
I see the Sacrifice of Christ more clearly in the Latin Rite, so that is why I attend it, not just because I “prefer” it. Sometimes I don’t prefer it because it requires greater concentration and mental effort. We are obliged to do our best to save our souls. As Catholics, we should be thankful that we even have a Mass to attend! Lots of people do not!
As for clown masses and nude masses (first time I ever heard of such a thing--ick!), these are gross and thankfully, unusual aberrations. Some cradle traditionalists think every novus ordo Mass is a sacrilegious sideshow because that’s what they’ve been taught. It’s morally wrong to teach gross exaggeration (lies) in order to bolster one’s sense of righteousness. It’s also imprudent. I know of Catholics raised in tradition who, when they become adults, attend a novus ordo Mass and discover there are people there who truly have the Faith, and that includes the priest who would never allow a clown mass or any other irreverent or unholy practice to enter his parish. Sometimes the children conclude that if their parents and teachers lied to them about religion, they’ve lied to them about morals as well, so they slide into mortal sin.
I think he was just more trying to show that things got out of hand after the changes (which is correct but not universal). I believe he was doing it for more comedic effect, hence why it's one of the more extreme version of a rogue NO.
Saying traditional Jewish tables blessings instead of the actual Latin rite is not mass. It's not about liking or not liking, it's about the proper way to treat the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It's not some ordinary meal to give thanks for.
Liturgical abuse is far more rampant, due to the form of the NO. It fosters sacrilegious abuse.
It is no coincidence that the circus atmosphere became more prevalent after NO and that the number of Catholics believing that the Eucharist is the body of Christ are at an all time low at 30% after NO.
I started going to TLM a month ago and really enjoy the tranquility and beauty of the mass. Even though I do not know any Latin I am much more captivated by it than the Norvus Ordo.
You should have translations available?
@@patrickmelling8404 existen los misales con el texto en latín y en el idioma local. De igual forma al ser el latín una lengua muerta está no cambia y entrega misticismo.
The tlm isn't just about the Latin language, it's the traditional mass of the latin rite. Everything is different from the novos ordo which has deleted prayers and they don't believe in the real presence in the eucharist.
Think about. If you were an american and goes to Japan, you could understand the mass. If you were a german and goes to Porto Rico, you could understand the mass.
Latin is a Holy language of the church. Everyone could get along just fine.
But today, if a french comes over to Brazil, he couldn't understand the mass and so on.
@@TheSenhorcaioo people attending NO don't understand Mass even in their native language
I just switched from NO,to Latin Mass in 2020, I never knew...and I'll never go back!+ Thank you Jesus!
right? going back would be pretty much abandoning the Catholic faith
@@tralarimtamtum4899 you are what the church describes an idolator, you are worshiping the worship instead of Jesus himself.
@@generalyousif3640 I wouldn't go so easily with judging others.
I am far from being an aesthete. It is not a question of the rite itself. It's all about doctrine and teaching. Pope Francis himself admits that the conflict is at the doctrinal level between Catholicism and the post-Conciliar Church. (not his exact words, but the meaning is the same) When you learn what modernism is, the backstage of the Council, the formation of NO, you come to the conclusion that these are two different worlds.
@@tralarimtamtum4899
You are right, I got impatient
But nevertheless, a lot of traditional Catholics are legalistic
Also, why Latin? You wanna go back to the original, why not go to Aramaic, you know, the language Jesus spoke. We Chaldeans do our rite in that language, Jesus never spoke Latin.
Now I have nothing against people who enjoy it, but you guys obsess over something that is taking the attention and love away from Jesus.
I can never agree with radical Catholics, we can agree to disagree, but they are literally do what the Protestants do with the Bible, but in their case, it’s the church documents.
I am so sorry if I came off as rude, this is just how I feel, I love you all! God bless!
@@generalyousif3640 And that's why, because of the love for our Lord Jesus Christ and for the love of the Mother Church, returning to participate in NO would be like leaving the Catholic religion for me.
No offence taken, I make the same mistakes, we all do.
Latin is mainly because it is an extinct language, so it is not prone to changing the meaning of words. It is also very precise. Well, the church has used it for much of its existence. It was common in the beginning, too. I guess these advantages are mainly speaking here + tradition. In turn, such attempts to return to the earliest practices are condemned as archaisms (Pius IX or XI, perhaps).
I’m pretty traditional and love the TLM myself, but a key part of being a Catholic is recognizing the authority of the Vatican and the successors of St Peter. If the church has really been infiltrated and destroyed from within to the point where we can no longer trust the institutions that were appointed by God and given the power to bind and loose on earth then it would stand to reason that the gates of hell have prevailed against it in direct contrast to Christ’s words.
Furthermore, a lot of what “Rad Trads” say gets very close to Sola Scriptura, in the sense that the authority given by God to the one true church is “vetoed” by Bible verses in some Trad arguments. How exactly is this different from Luther? If the church survived the Borgias and Avignon it can and will survive Francis and clown masses. Too many Trads claim to know the 100% true way, when none of us have any idea what God’s plan entails. Also, stage magicians actually summon Satan? There is not one stage magic trick in which the solution cannot be found on the internet. Stuff like that makes Trads seem absolutely insane.
Human society has changed in the last 2000 years. Until very recently it was considered great entertainment to watch people be tortured in the public square. In some non Christian societies this happens still. The beauty of the Catholic Church is that God did not abandon his people, he left a structure of institutions that could with divine inspiration balance the needs of a changing world with the eternal unchanging truth. In that sense the Catholic Church has faired far better than other Christian groups. Just look at the sorry state of main line Protestantism for example. Perhaps there is some room between “women don’t necessarily have to cover their hair at mass in 2023” and “transgenders and active homosexuals are perfectly fine to be clergy, and also abortion is a blessing.” This is something the most radical Trads don’t recognize.
So while I appreciate the video and the work you do, these are the reasons many very conservative and traditional Catholics cannot go all the way with the rad trad agenda. It simply nullifies the very reason Christ established the church the way he did.
You said everything I wanted to say. Ty
thank you, im my opinion simply labeling yourself as a different sect in the church (trad) is already outrageous
@@elio6861 I understand that but I actually don’t mind where a lot of “trads” are coming from. There has been a lot of borderline heresy from the modernist side and I don’t think there’s necessarily anything wrong with identifying your personal stance on certain controversial issues as generally “trad”. I just think sincerely held disagreements can only go so far before one is bordering on the schismatic territory you are referring to.
Our Lady of La Salette said that Rome would lose the faith and become the seat of the antichrist.
The modern hierarchy in the Vatican today is not Catholic and thus fake. The true church isn’t defined by buildings or vestments but those who profess the true faith, which the post-vatican 2 antipopes most definitely do not.
@@elio6861 Exactly, they are just modern day Martin Luther. He didn't set out to be schismatic, he was trying to reform the church. I wish the church had been more responsive. And I'm saying this as an outsider, not a Catholic.
1. The Luminous Mysteries are awesome, JP2 is one of the greatest saints of our times.
2. Sedevacantism sounds like the most pretentious and absurd philosophy I've ever heard of.
3. The two brothers who run Vaticancatholic seem much more like heretics to me than people who believe there is a chance of salvation for non Catholics.
It's not that I disagree with everything you said, but some of the topics were so out there that I'm a little surprised somebody who claims to be Catholic believes in these things.
Sedevacantism is a heresy.
@@nickav1421How is it heresy?
@@antagonist7924 They deny the Pope as an authority, they are just false traditionalists who attract people who are not very informed.
@@antagonist7924 How is it not? I'm an outsider to Catholicism, but those guys sound angrier and crazier than any offbeat evangelical I've ever heard.
@@dillonleaf6268 Not just some Protestant denomination, but some especially angry Evangelical fundamentalist sect more like it. The idea of grace does not seem very strong with them.
I was born and raised Catholic but never went through to confirmation. This Spring at 24 years old I was officially confirmed in the church! I am the only one veiling in my church as of now. So glad I found your channel!
Mind if I ask you what that looks like? I am also 24 and I’ve been baptized and had first communion (Eucharist), but my parents pulled me from Catholic school during the recession due to us going through some hard times financially. I never got confirmed as a kid and am curious how it works as an adult. My girlfriend says we can’t get married unless I’m confirmed because her grandma will kill me otherwise lol
I was Baptized at 10, went through RCIA at age 15 and was Confirmed at age 16. I am not a cradle Catholic, but if I ever am blessed to have children they will be.
@@miker9930I’m in the same situation, I’m 25 and never was confirmed and would like to pursue it now
congrats
Really enjoyed this, thank you for making this! Just started going to the TLM three months ago and it was the best thing I have ever done!
the shroud of turin converted me. the fact that i hadn't heard about it for so long has to be intentional. it proves everything.
Of course, the enemy of your soul, whom the modern world pretends doesn't exist, wishes to sift you like wheat.
One more correction, re: 3:47, "While most bishops aren't able to show strict documentation of their succession back to the apostles, the pope is actually able to do so. We have a complete list of popes all the way from Peter to Francis."
Petrine succession is different from apostolic succession. Apostolic succession refers to the chain of bishops consecrating bishops that goes back to the apostles, as you said. But since usually a Pope dies before the next pope is discerned, and since the consecrating of bishop is an ontological change whereas the bishop of Rome is just an (albeit, extremely significant) title, obviously popes aren't making popes in the same way that bishops are making bishops. In the case of Petrine succession, it's just a list of bishops who have occupied the see of Rome.
Just as an example-- take the bishop of Dallas. We could create a list of all the bishops of Dallas (currently Edward James Burns, Kevin Farrell before Burns, Charles Victor Grahmann before Farrell, etc.), but this list wouldn't really have anything to do with succession. A bishop of a given see usually doesn't consecrate his successor. But if we took the current Bishop of Dallas-- Edward James Burns-- we could see who consecrated him-- David Zubik, Roger Schwietz, and Donald Wuerl-- and then see who consecrated them-- Donald Wuerl, Nicholas C. Dattilo, and Thomas Joseph Tobin for David Zubik; John Roach, Robert Brom, and Michael David Pfeifer for Roger Schwietz; and John Paul II, Agostino Casaroli, and Bernardin Gantin for Donald Wuerl-- and so on, and this would be a succession chart.
So it's not the case that just because we have a list of all the bishops of Rome, that this amounts to a succession chart. I'm pretty sure the earliest bishop we can document apostolic lineage to is Cardinal Scipione Rebiba (died 1577). Funnily enough, given the disobedience "Old Catholic" bishops, we can actually also trace many male Episcopal bishops in the US back to Rebiba as well. Here's the succession chart for the current Episcopal bishop of Dallas, which shows this to be the case: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZwCXv1kMIPAagrWe-BxtXeFDXArhLEWDTxXwuGFVWfs/edit?usp=sharing
And here's Rebiba's wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipione_Rebiba
In regards to Novus Ordo mass being bad, my friends dad was around before Vatican 2. In fact he used to be an alter server at mass. He said that after Vatican II the Churches in his country were filling up more because people actually could understand what was going on. He preferred the Novus Ordo change because of that (no I’m not talking about crazy dancing clown masses). It seems like this disdain for Novus Ordo is an American thing. I’d like to here more perspectives from non westerners.
I am a brazilian, I can say that indeed the Novus Ordo made the common folk understand what was being said and preached, but here's the catch: ever since the adoption of the rites in Novus Ordo, there was a significant decline in catholics in Brazil, and protestantism rose significantly. Recently, more and more of those people who left the church because of the changes in Vatican II became trads and go to more traditional leaning churches, as new priests are also becoming more traditional leaning. In Brazil, there is a very well known priest called Padre Paulo Ricardo who has a gigantic number of followers interested in bringing back the correct teachings of the Holy Church.
This channel is not great at all. Look towards Michael Lofton. Channels like this will drive you away from the Church. Channels like this is just constant complaining with no solutions.
Rad Trads are the new Martin Luther's. As a former Rad Trad, beware
NO isn’t drawing people to Mass in the US. Meaning, more people are leaving than joining. However, I don’t think the style of Mass is the culprit. I think it’s the general hedonism of the age that’s causing this decline in church attendance
@@daisyviluck7932 people are leaving in the Latin Mass also. I see people constantly leaving into schism with the SSPX and eastern orthodoxy. The devil is trying to remove souls from all sides of the boat
@@alvarorocha8868mas amigo, isso é uma falácia lógica. Correlação ≠ causalidade.
Quem sabe se a missa continuasse em latim se a situação não estaria pior ainda?
I went to a pretty traditional parish, no Latin Mass, but Latin was infused throughout the liturgy. One town over was a parish which did a mime themed reenactment of the Passion during Palm Sunday mass every year with the youth group acting out the story. This went on for years before the bishop said to stop, by then my own parish had a different priest and was no longer traditional. The guy in charge of putting on the mime mass decided to come over to our parish and put it on with our youth group after the bishop forbade it at the other parish. I have no idea what the bishop had to say about the blatant disobedience, but I walked out of that mass and went to a different mass that Sunday. Never went back to my original parish. Thank God I discovered that a local parish had a Latin Mass on Sundays, so I started attending there instead.
It makes me so irritated to hear about stuff like that. It’s even more frustrating because a lot of people who hate the TLM like to put their head in the sand and say “what are you talking about? The NO has always been fine in my experience” wherever people bring up the obvious liturgical abuse since the 60’s.
It’s interesting that you mention walking out because the only time I ever walked out of a Mass was on Palm Sunday. They had SEVERAL Priests concelebrating the Mass. Yet, they still decided to have all of them sit in the front row of the pews and watch as a group of women took turns reading the Gospel (even Jesus’ parts). They were really acting it out too, not just reading it.
In hindsight, I don’t know if I should’ve walked out. It definitely wasn’t as bad as what you saw. But it still made me incredibly angry (and I was in a great mood when I went into Mass that day).
@@genzcatholic3366 so many people told me I was dramatic for walking out, but there was no drama about it on my end, I quietly left. I remember telling them when they were thinking of organizing it that it was a bad idea, but I think the reason why they said it was dramatic was because they knew it wasn't right, and to see someone leave made that understanding come to the forefront of their mind. But, only God knows. I pray that abuse did not continue.
@@genzcatholic3366 I walked out of a mass just a few weeks ago. I studied in Paris for 4 months and made Saint Sulpice my temporary parish. I enjoyed seeing the church mostly full every Sunday, the solemn masses (even if they were N.O), and just the general beauty of the church. However, on Divine Mercy Sunday, during adoration, it went full on protestant and i was horrified. Clapping, people dancing, waving hands in the air, modern gospel/worship music. I have no problems with gospel music in general, i listen to it too, but there's a limit! I managed to tolerate it until the end. But when a guy came on the mic during the second half and started shouting "are you guys ready, let me hear you say yes" I left. Didn't go back after that and spent my last few sundays going to Latin mass XD. While i consider myself to be a traditional Catholic, I have no problems with NO masses as I don't always have access to the Latin mass. But I absolutely refuse to attend a concert. Mass is a sacred period of reverence, not a concert.
,Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible?
We do these things in our Masses. We use some of the Latin responses (Greek, actually). We do have a re enactment of the Passion during Holy Week during Lent as well. Our Lectors and our Priests act it out. Not miming, they read the lines of the Passion, on Holy Thursday and Good Friday.
You should do a part 2 someday. One that includes exorcisms and the reality of the demonic. It s one of the major dividing lines between trads and modernists. Other suggestions would be: charity not being the primary function of the Church, Sunday obligation, receiving communion in a state of mortal sin, refusing absolution to the unrepentant, applause in church, altar girls and the social Kingship of Christ.
Applause in Church? I thought an unison “Amen” would do the job
Applause in the church is a thing I just...can not.
I don't see how demons are a dividing line between "modernists" and "trads", I see Modernist Priests as skeptical of demonic action as Traditionalist Priests, and vice versa, I see many Traditionalist Priests giving more power to the devil than he actually has as priests "modernists".
communion is not given to everyone, not even some liberation theologians believe that. besides, charity and conversion are both primary functions of the Church. There is no way to convert anyone without being through charity, and there is no way to practice charity without having converted.
@@sarahisatitagain I did go to a mass in Africa and clapping it's a pretty normal thing
@Kermit the Thinker I belive you. It's also very common in Brazil. I just personally don't like. I feel like applause is too connected to entertainment to be used in a sacred moment when I'm talking and listening to the almighty God.
I’m lucky to have great priest in my Novus order mass I just wish there’s wasn’t a divide between TLM and Novus order , we need to pray for unity and pray for our Popes
I agree. We have a TLM community at a parish church and we always thought of ourselves as one church community that had diversity (the modernist love it everywhere else😂). But in the last year or so we have come to realize it is the NO people who think of US as a different group that meets at "their" church. They have explicitly sought to keep monies and social activities seperate. It's totally weird to us. And we all are some of the most generous with our treasures and time (not to mention all our children 😅) so what they feel threatened over I have no idea!
I’m glad I found your channel. It’s really informative as a 25 year old newly practicing Catholic. I was baptized Catholic, but spent most my time in church at a Presbyterian church. Very different experiences but I felt the lord place it on my heart to pursue Catholicism. I even started praying the rosary and bought a book on Latin prayers. Please pray for me and especially my grandfather though. He is evangelical and does not want me to be a practicing Catholic.
I’ll be praying for you guys. Please pray for me as well.
It’s wonderful to hear that you’ve found your way back to Catholicism!
Dear newly practicing Catholic,
I just wanted to encourage you to be sure to not use UA-cam as a primary way to learn about your faith. Although it requires a good bit more effort, definitely try and read and study off the internet as much as you can. God bless you on your journey.
(If you are interested: I recommend Holy Apostles College online. Recently finished a BA in Thomistic Philosophy from there)
That is sound advice, and thank you. I’m looking around my area for a Catholic Bible study group to attend and I’ve been taking my Sunday obligation more seriously. RCIA at my parish isn’t available until October this year as I missed the time to be confirmed during lent, but I’ve been reaching out to other churches and priests to get my confirmation done sooner. I also just ordered a copy of the Baltimore catechism and I listen to the CCC and Bible in a year podcast too. I’ll look into your resource and thank you for suggestion. God bless. 🙏
The Catholic Charismatic Movement is a form of Evangelical spirituality inside Catholic Church. Maybe that fact could ensure your grandfather that you could still practice Evangelicalism in the Church.
sooo how about...you know....atheism
Honestly, I’m not Catholic, but I don’t like this video. I mean it is entertaining, and educational. But at the same time, I can’t believe the author is Catholic himself.
He doesn’t seem to think critically. Fr. Feeney must have been a Chad because people got angry after talking to him?? That’s not logically sound. Also none of those verses quotes about most people going to Hell say anything about a majority. “Many” could mean 20.
These issues are complicated, and dropping a few saint quotes and making statements as if a proposition were obviously true is not the way to discuss these. Granted, this is an iceberg video so it should be more of an overview than a critical evaluation.
But if you take everything said at faith value, the Catholic Church is incredibly corrupt and the gates of hell have prevailed.
after your first 4 words, your opinion immediately became irrelevant
LOL average protestant twisting scripture......Jesus says that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His church so no matter how much Catholicism hurts your soul IT WILL LAST UNTIL THE END
Devout, veiling Catholic woman here. I came here open-minded to the idea of attending latin mass more often, even though I don’t like it (it is so much easier to be in a reverent and loving headspace with God when I can understand what is going on). but this whole video just really turned me off even more to radical traditionalism. Your anecdotes are valid, but you use them to make wildly absurd, widespread generalizations about novus ordo. I have attended 5 novus ordo churches throughout my life and they are all very reverent, true to catholic doctrine and canon law, and have no pagan influences… so to say this has “infiltrated every diocese” is just laughably false. additionally, i feel like you misunderstand the intentions behind Paul and modern women’s decision for women to veil. Veiling for women has always been a way to set ourselves apart from a culture of immodesty, vanity, and self-worship, demonstrating humble devotion and servitude to God. Paul commanded it in Corinth because showing off one’s long hair there at the time was a way women prostitutes invited men. I do it now as a testament to the true presence. But to insinuate that women today cannot pray without their head covered means they can’t talk to god as they live their day to day lives unless they’re veiled, and that’s just inaccurate: the Church has never taught this.
I love TLM! It comes with the bonus of not having to worry about whether a priest will refuse to give you communion because you only receive it kneeling and on the tongue. Pretty sure it's against canon law (923) to refuse but it happens all the time.
I’ve never been directly denied Communion on the tongue, but I know several people who have. During covid, one of the Churches near me said “Communion will be distributed in the hand. If you feel as if you must receive on the tongue, feel free to remain in your pew and say an act of spiritual communion” at every Mass.
My best friend went through RCIA there and asked if his first Communion could be on the tongue. The Priest told him no and doubled down on his decision several times. My friend ended up having to go to a different Church to be confirmed after completing RCIA, which delayed the whole process by several months. All thanks to this stupid Priest who was scared of allergies.
And one time, my dad went to a Church he hadn’t been to before while traveling. The extraordinary minister of Communion shoved the Host in between my dad’s fingers while his hands were folded because he didn’t want to give him Communion on the tongue.
I understand when people have been receiving in their hand all their life and they’re nervous to switch to receiving on the tongue. But nothing makes me more angry than the people who fight against Communion on the tongue. It just seems so satanic.
@@genzcatholic3366 Agreed. Something very sus about a priest who gets all feisty and aggressive when giving someone communion.
Ofc the bottom of that iceberg is why was Bernadin so persistent and desperate to shove through the approval for communion in the hand back in the late 70s? And what kind of person was Bernadin??
Sadly true, perhaps someone should start a campaign to highlight the matter.
@@genzcatholic3366 whatʼs with communion in bread and wine? In my parish the priests only give bread (on the hand) but not wine. Is this ok? Iʼm no member of the Catholic Church yet, but want to get baptised; but what if theyʼll only give me bread on the hand?
PS.: is it ok that women celebrate mass in my parish?
@@deutschermichel5807 No women should never ever be the celebrant for a mass. One reason is that Jesus- the eternal word- chose to incarnate as a man and the priest is "in persona christi" - that is it is Christ performing the act and not a mere man. I am a woman and i am strongly against women on the altar in any capacity. You can receive either species- under bread or under wine. Traditional masses usually only offer the bread since we take communion on our tongue and do not even touch the vessels. No priest should ever be allowed to deny you receiving on the tongue, since as was mentioned- communion in the hand is an indult- an exception to the norm which is on the tongue. However many do it without reproach 😢 if it happens you should, respectfully but forcefully challenge the priest and inform him of the fact. I don't have the Canon memorized but I think it was mentioned above where it states this fact. If they refuse to listen then pray for them, write your Bishop, and maybe find another mass if possible.
What I don't understand about "no salvation outside the Church" meaning "you must be a card-carrying member" is... when did that start? Right after Pentacost? After the first Church council? So millions of people throughout history, as the gospel slowly spread, died and went straight to Hell, even if they would have become Christian if only evangelists reached them in time?
Blessed Pope Pius IX, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.
Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom “the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.” The words of Christ are clear enough: “If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;” “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;” “He who does not believe will be condemned;” “He who does not believe is already condemned;” “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.”The Apostle Paul says that such persons are “perverted and self-condemned;” the Prince of the Apostles calls them “false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”
Italian roman catholic here, wanted to say this video helped me a lot considering I was slipping very far into the more evangelical side of christianity, due to the main stream, western american part of christianity being reformed. I am slowly entering deeper and deeper into my roots of the catholic church and I love it’s tradition. Thanks ❤
We are Lions for Christ! That is the special character of the roman church!
Christ, not church!
I say this with a lot of love, but please take care of yourself. There can be bad influences everywhere and everything should be consumed in ration
Extremes are seldom good
I absolutely never leave comments like this, but this video is incredibly immature and shows a deep lack of knowledge about these topics. Please spend a ton more time studying these and many more Catholic teachings and topics. Absolutely there have been ridiculous things (sinful things) done in the church, but your treatment of these topics shows that too really don’t know much about them. (As a small example, your mention of the recent Catechism shows that you really don’t understand what the Catechism is and how doctrine has been promulgated and passed on throughout the Churches history.) Since we are probably close to the same age, I am deeply saddened by your treatment of these topics. Please develop a more mature and well reached style in the future. I have high hopes for you if you do.
And the anti popes things.... Come on, this man needs to go read the speeches these popes keft
Bro I went through and watched all your videos and ive already learned so much you are definitely at my number one spot for UA-cam right now. Can't wait to watch your new videos!
Thank you so much! I've already got several more videos in the works (A video on Proslogion, the best insults of Jesus, the best Jesus movies, and the theology of the shaggy dog, mainly)
I think you’re misrepresenting the pints with Aquinas debate a bit. Matt Fradd didn’t apologize for hosting it, in the video you showed he was addressing people who were calling for him to take it down and he was adamantly refusing because he believed it was important to keep challenging these positions, even if those challenges weren’t as successful as we would like. The title of that video is literally “why I’m not taking down the debate”. Not sure why it’s not on the Spotify channel but Matt wasn’t apologizing for hosting it and I don’t think it’s fair that you represented him the way you did.
As a personal note on that debate, while I agree that brother Dimond’s position wasn’t definitively refuted, I think he made his position seem stronger than it was by “gish galloping”, where he was pummeling his opponent with a rapid-fire of questions, then relying on one concession from the landslide of questions to prove the strength of his whole argument. Notably this also made his position seem stronger because the opponent never had breathing room to attack his position fairly. In other words I don’t think this debate was the landmark win for sedevacantists they think it was and I certainly don’t think brother Dimond “annihilated” the opposition, I think he pressed offense so that his position never had to be critically defended, which isn’t in good service to the truth. Not that you 100% agree with his position, just offering another perspective on the outcome of that debate
I watched his video about the debate again and I realized that you’re mostly right. He said he “regretted hosting it” and he made a joke, saying “please share Trent Horn’s response far and wide to atone for my sins”. But, like I said, that was just a joke.I went ahead and added that to the corrections tab I have in the pinned comment on this video.
I think Peter Dimond wasn’t really gish galloping, though. He asked a lot of questions and used that as a rhetorical tactic. But Cassman was given ample time to respond. If you watch the sections where Cassman cross-examines Dimond, you’ll see that he’s mostly just filibustering his own cross examination.
Plus, Peter Dimond has an ongoing series where he breaks down the Trent Horn response and shows that there is a basis for everything he says. I don’t agree with Dimond on everything he says in that series, but I think he’s demonstrated that he wasn’t just gish galloping and that there is a strong case to be made for his individual claims.
Just my thoughts, though. Ultimately, I would’ve liked to have seen Bro. Peter Dimond go against someone who was more prepared. That would’ve been more interesting, even if less entertaining.
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@@genzcatholic3366 I have to say this... if you truly denied the mountain of evidence then you are a heretic. Thr brothers had so many proof that their positions are indeed correct. You at to be willing in denial.
Ex Novus Ordo here. From 2020 here in Germany need it test to go to church. My wife and me found TLM without tests and masks etc. So from 2020 glad to found TLM and started to pray rosary every day and before I didn't pray rosary at all. Growing in faith blessed with so many in my life. God bless you all.
I consider it almost a miracle to find catholics in a country so secularized as Germany. And the hierarchy of your country is rotten, excuse my sincerity. Happy for you. Take as many people to this church as you can! God forgive us and help us to be good Catholics at all times!
@@brunoluisantana Germany is dead specially at east Germany where are almost all atheist and reason was communism also. It is rotten and all died. France is good example and usa how much fruits are coming from there.
@@anakkalbo I am Brazilian. Latin America went through a process of Protestantization, and now begins a slow (but steady) process of religious indifference and atheism. Yet the majority of the population still has a religious interest. Tradition has grown a lot here, Tridentine Mass centers are multiplying, but we are very far from having a good clergy, although today's young clergy are much more conservative than they were 20 years ago. Bergoglio is the symbol of a revolutionary and sterile religion. Its supporters do not attract vocations, and they are as old as Francis. In the medium and long term, I see Brazil, Mexico and Argentina as nations where the Catholic Tradition will be very strong.
I am Croatian living and working in Germany ... Sorry for your loss at WC on penalties hehehhe
@@anakkalbo We went to shine the 5 trophies of world champions to forget our sadness, lol.
If you think about it further, the catechism passage you quoted is actually quite meaningful and profound.
It correctly acknowledges that there is insufficient direct evidence of the events of the New Testament occurring for a person reasonably believe them as true occurrences, without adding on further support from outside the texts.
Any belief or faith in the events of the New Testament must necessarily build on the faith or beliefs of others who came before, in an unbroken chain of belief going back to those who were actually present at those events.
Without this chain of faith, building on the faith and belief of others who came before, all you have is some fantastical-sounding stories in a book written long ago-in many cases, after the lifetimes of those who were present.
To reject that passage of the catechism is to reject the Church itself.
…which is something you are very close to doing here.
Rejecting the Church is what the sedevacantists do, in favor of an idol of their own making.
The truly “traditional” view is that sedevacantists are just fundie Protestants with better taste in music and liturgy :-)
It is a Protestant view to belief that scripture alone is enough on which to base faith. This is expressly NOT the Catholic view.
Atheists are correct to criticize such a view, that “the Bible is true because the Bible says so”.
One of the great factors that Catholicism has on its favor is that it does not fall prey to this kind of obviously circular reasoning. It is more rational than this.
Catholics do indeed rely on a chain of faith into the past and into the future, which at least is a reasonable and comprehensible view.
Even if a pure atheist were to disagree with such a view, they would have to at least see it as reasonable, if they were approaching the arguments in good faith. (For lack of a better term.)
This idea is precisely what that catechism passage speaks to, making it profoundly deep and meaningful within the context of Catholicism.
I would encourage you to meditate on it further, or seek further clarification from the magisterium-either of which which be the truly “traditional” Catholic response to such a personal issue with Church teaching.
Based on this video, like many “Trads” you strike me as very close to being a Protestant who really appreciates Catholic aesthetics and early Church writings.
But appreciating ancient Church writings and beautiful ancient liturgies is not what makes one a Catholic.
Respecting an unbroken Apostolic tradition of faith, discussion and teaching is necessary. Many “Trads” implicitly reject this, and are therefore not traditional.
While contemporary practices and teachings are not beyond criticism, simply holding on to older forms does not necessarily make one correct, or even Catholic.
Well said. This video is one step away froma protestant or ultra conservative crypto fascist narrative. If aesthetics are deemed so important why not experiment with schismatic Greek Orthodoxy or at the very least Eastern Catholic rights. Alas, Latin is also a development...why not start learning Greek and reading the Codex Vaticanus. The presenter should get a grip on his piety.
So, basically it's Catholicism for hipsters? The "I own that on vinyl" of Christianity. As for all the clown mass stuff - I've never seen anything like that in the last 50 years.
I hope everyone reading this knows the Diamond Brothers are not Catholic religious.
Can you elaborate? You mean they are not ordained? Meaning they are not actual brothers?
@@RedactedBrainwaves Brothers are not ordained anyway.These clowns just declared themselves Catholic religious one day.Ignore them.
Love this video brother, I am 26 years old and just in the past year I have begun taking my faith very seriously. Turning to tradition and the TLM was one of the main factors of this.
YES it gives us a SENSE of mysterious, like the magicians "ocus pokus" . No matter what language the ritual of the Mass if understood in your mother language, it has no difference as long as you participate and understand all words the celebrant says and you dialog in the same way, the same for the communion, some say that we should not touch with our hands, is our hands from a different body? Is you tongue cleaner than you hands? The scriptures just say that Jesus gave the bread and the wine to the disciples to eat and drink. NO ONE CAN MAKE ME TO ACCEPT THE TRADITIONAL OVER MY REASONING, my faith is based in reasoning.
@Adelino Morte The TLM is simply more reverent than any Novus Ordo I have been too. The church has always taught that communion should be taken on the tongue, vs the hand because of particles of Christ than can drop to the floor or worse it gets stolen. Traditional Catholicism is what us young people want, we are tired of the watered down version we receive at most of the novus ordo masses.
@@PatQuiroz Amen!!!
@@PatQuiroz ua-cam.com/video/YWV3JdylCro/v-deo.html
I’m 24. Didn’t take my Catholic faith seriously all my life pretty much. Got out of the Army last year after 6 years of service. About 3 months after I got out I was brought to my knees by hitting rock bottom due to addiction and terribly sinful life choices. Felt the calling to the priesthood and am now discerning the FSSP. Looking back on everything, I can honestly say I would have never thought it possible to be where I’m at today, given the sheer and abrupt 180 that occurred in my life due to me putting aside my will and realizing that in order to find true peace and freedom I needed to just say yes to God and no to my own selfish desires. Please keep me in your prayers going forward and thank you for this video.
So glad I found a TLM near me. First communion in a normie church tomorrow and first TLM communion Sunday.
Deo gratias
Im a 24 year old recent convert still finding my way. Thanks for the hard work you put in! God bless you 🙏🏼
Hey, I am a seminary student for the priesthood I would suggest you stay away from this part of the church because they are WAY to radical and toxic.
We're not Catholic, but my mom tells me she covers her hair when she is praying at home sometimes. It's amazing how polarizing hair coverings can be 😅 she doesn't wear anything like that to church but she found that wearing one enriches her personal prayer time at home.
Become Catholic!
It says women should cover their hair when praying or prophesying
I’m just Catholic.
Jesus Christ is truly present in the Eucharist, whether from a NO Mass or a TLM Mass. In the light of this awesome reality, all differences melt away to nothingness to me. We all need to ensure that we receive the Eucharist worthily. I don’t care what language Mass is celebrated in. Jesus spoke Aramaic, so shouldn’t real purists insist that Aramaic be the language Mass is said in? Our Eucharistic Lord is the hope for the world. Let’s preach this message. I see my challenge to be taking up my cross and and imitating Christ, loving others as He loves them. Lord help me to serve others out of love for you.
amen
I must say, this is some VERY good content, wasn’t expecting anyone to post stuff like this anytime soon. Thanks!
What a great new Catholic channel! Please keep up the good work.
This channel is not great at all. Look towards Michael Lofton. Channels like this will drive you away from the Church. Channels like this is just constant complaining with no solutions.
Rad Trads are the new Martin Luther's. As a former Rad Trad, beware
The Orthodox Church is always an option
Matthew 7:2 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
All this disagreement and we miss the entire point of it all .
Repent , don't sin , treat others like you would like to be treated .
Don't forget to love your enemy as much as your neighbours, don't forget compassion.
Don't forget about Jesus.
amen
Exactly! And stop losing time (and Mercy) judging others and begin ti Better judge ourselves!!
God bless you and your family Sir 🕊️ I came across this channel randomly and I subscribed right away after watching this video. Keep up the good work, and shout out from the UK 🇬🇧
Pray for me. I am not baptized yet but I do struggle with sin and the end of the video is terrifying
Seek baptism as soon as possible. Once the calling was felt, you shouldn't cower from it. Also, the ending is always a good warning to keep in mind but beware that the devil not only seeks to weaken our faith through overconfidence (such as from those who claim everyone will be saved) but also through despair. Some people think it's cool to be overly pessimistic about our destiny. The Church teaches us to pray for Christ to save all souls. We shouldn't let this dreadful outlook kill our hope for salvation. So keep it in mind, hell exists and some may go there, but God wants to save us. Have faith in our Lord and pray for him to deliver you from all evil. Trust him and the Church he established. Just don't delay your baptism, be diligent. God bless you.
It’s a good thing if it scares you. Many people don’t seek the sacraments because they simply don’t care about Hell. “Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction." (Proverbs 1:7) So if the thought of Hell scares you, that’s good. It’s much better than being indifferent.
But don’t despair or become discouraged. If you truly desire Baptism, God will make sure you get baptized before you die. He desires everyone to be saved. And so if you honestly seek Him and want to be saved, God will providentially order it so that you’ll persevere until Baptism.
Overcoming sin is a long process (something all of us are familiar with, I’m sure). Again, just don’t become discouraged. Make sure to stay close to God, pray frequently, say the Rosary, and perform penances to try and build spiritual strength.
I’ll definitely pray for you. It’s great that you’re seeking Baptism. That already sets you apart from most people. Most people don’t care about God at all and are content to live in sin without even trying to amend their lives. The most important thing to keep in mind is that you can definitely make it to Heaven. Just keep seeking God, receive the sacraments, and pray frequently.
God bless!
I'm a revert Catholic who Is 19 soon and I just made my communion and confirmation at 18. I went from knowing barely anything of my faith and assuming all Christians were Catholics to now trying to go to TLM and a TRUE Catholic university to study Theology. I'm not gunna lie it's hard with my family and trying to stay pure for God. But he helps me everyday ❤❤❤
I converted to Catholicism 5 years ago, and it was not the novus ordo and the charismatic renewal prayer meetings that pulled me out of atheism. I love TLM. I need it.
"Feeneyism isn't a condemned heresy"
Yeah, okay dude...
Bro ikr.
These radical traditionalist are literally Protestants
Cherry-picking
Considering the state of Pope Francis who recently claimed that Sedevantivism isn’t a heresy but merely a very very weird part of Catholicism, This won’t surprise me.
@@olivianatividad2201 Source?
I love traditional Catholicism but my problem with all the the “trads” is that they reject the mass which was full filling to St.John Paul II, which can’t be all bad. The issue come when the novus ordo mass is in complete rejection of traditional Catholicism, but when done correctly it can be extremely full filling (i.e. keeping traditional choirs in latin/greek while maintain the liturgy to the regional language) I also don’t understand why y’all keep ripping on Jesuits
He's just espousing "Trad" memes in the real sense of the word. None of these talking points are new, he's just repeating what InternetTrads say.
So sad to hear the Jesuits defamed like this (not going to deny there are bad ones)
@@danie1p The Jesuits were one of the greatest orders, they went EVERYWHERE in the corners of the Americas to evangelize all nations, they even taught the Moxos in Bolivia to play baroque music that is still played to this day, were there problems and abuses? yes, but the church has recognized these problems and asked for forgiveness
Irish and raised Catholic here, not as much of a traditionalist but I love father Malachi Martin. First heard him on Art Bell. I love these types of videos. God bless you brother from Ireland.
Very interesting! I grew up going to various Traditional Catholic churches. It is cool to see such an informational, long-form video on UA-cam.
This channel is not great at all. Look towards Michael Lofton. Channels like this will drive you away from the Church. Channels like this is just constant complaining with no solutions.
Rad Trads are the new Martin Luther's. As a former Rad Trad, beware
I recently went to my first TLM. I really loved it, it didn't matter that I couldn't understand the Latin
This is a good short clip that I can send to others that don’t understand. Thank you for this! 🙏
No it isn’t. This guy is a straight up satanic heretic
The TLM is certainly older than the sixteenth century. The canon existed by the fourth or fifth century and most of the prayers are in the Gregorian Sacramentary, with later developments in the Ordines Romani. These comments are intended in accordance with your iceberg metaphor, to show how deep the tradition behind the TLM is. Scholars think that the Latin liturgy began at Rome around the fourth century, replacing Greek.
24 year old Catholic convert here, my whole family is atheist or non-practicing Protestant, great vid. I’ll be sure to share this around for anyone who shows interest in the faith
I recently got my first communion and confirmation as I was baptized as a child, I went to a Franciscan monastery to do my confession since that’s a service they offer, I feel lighter but I also fear for the world and it’s state as well as my and others future, I pray for strength to bear the times ahead, whatever happens even if I don’t manage to get to heaven I take comfort in the fact that people like you most likely will manage to get through the narrow gate.
Study the Divine Mercy devotion and the works of St Louis de Montfort, and you can get there.
I’m gonna keep it real with you chief, I’ve been going to mass for 36 years and I never saw any of those masses listed at my parish.
Ya because they are so incredibly rare, that it's not even worth bringing up constantly. There will always be priests without faith and abuse the liturgy
This channel is not great at all. Look towards Reason and Theology. Channels like this will drive you away from the Church. Channels like this are just constant complaining with no solutions.
Rad Trads are the new Martin Luther's. As a former Rad Trad, beware
Thank God neither did I
i think they're much more rare than some people make them out to be; however, they're so extreme and offensive that they get an incredible amount of attention, that it seems like a bigger issue than it is.
At your parish. Do you know how many parishes there are? Ive seen some doozy’s - Provincetown Cape Cod or some or the Fatima masses. My local parish has a rock band at 9am mass. Drums, guitars and they are AWFUL!
Now you have. If you look around enough, they still happen from time to time.
Hello brother, I’m 23 and am basically a Protestant, though I’ve never been baptized into any church. I’ve been feeling called towards the Catholic Church after looking into the Early Church and the Early Church Fathers, but I am so lost and confused. Sedevacantism has been a stumbling block for me to enter Catholicism, because it makes me feel what’s really the point, as well as Protestant beliefs that have been ingrained in me from my upbringing. I’m really struggling what to believe. I know without a doubt that I believe in one God who is The Trinity, the Bible, and I’m starting to accept the Catholic views of Mary and the Saints after learning more in depth about it from Trent Horn. If you could pray for me and perhaps give me advice, I would very much appreciate it.
This is definitely a confusing time and there are a lot of questions that people have. And sedevacantism is certainly adding to that confusion.
I'm currently working on a massive anti-sedevacantism video essay/mini documentary that will go over all the reasons it isn't tenable as a position. I can't give away too much before it's released, but you should definitely check it out in a few months when it's posted.
Definitely keep watching Trent Horn. He's one of the best apologists alive and he's great at defending the Catholic faith against objections from all sides. I would also recommend spending some time regularly praying for discernment. It's easy to feel as if we can figure out the truth about God's Church just by using our intellect. But ultimately, we should put ourselves in God's hands and let him lead us.
I'm glad to hear that you're interested in Catholicism. I definitely encourage you to keep exploring that avenue. If you ever have any questions, feel free to hit me up on social media or send me an email (thegenzcatholic@gmail.com)
I hope this helps! I'll definitely be praying for you, man. God bless
I too was a protestant. But Jesus created a Church, not a Bible. I'll pray for you, my man. Pray for me. We must find truth
Dear Brother, the Protestant faith was born because the Pope is The Antichrist. Please read Luther works, or Wycliff's, or "the ecclesia" of Hus. You will see the Truth. Yes the Catholic Church is the true Church but is taken by the antichrist. We the protestants came out of it, and consider ourselfs the true catholic church because we are not under him.
As a “reformed catholic” (I.e. a Protestant) I found this to be both interesting and helpful for sorting thru some of the different perspectives that I run across on UA-cam. Thanks.
For the record, some traditionalists are not this radical. I stopped agreeing with most of the things on the layer 3.
@@oscarantoniogonzalezfals8940 I didn't think it was radical at all
With anything like this, there are going to be fewer people the “more layers down” you go
Most of those ‘new masses’ where those abhorrent things happened are invalid. So those things dont invalidate the new mass. I go to an incredibly reverent new mass where we have kneelers for communion, our priest says mass ad orientum, and Gregorian chant, etc. and this is the direction most parishes are going in my diocese. This whole TLM vs NO needs to end. The TLM is beautiful but the NO can be too.
I don’t think it’s as black and white as some people make it out to be.
Gen Z Catholic needs to touch grass and I’m not referring to Easter Grass.
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Please don’t stop making videos. Can’t wait to see your channel evolving grow, you have a knack for this kind of content and you help people get closer to God and heaven.
I can’t thank you enough
Wear the Scapular, if you fall all the time after confession and are anxious about dying at any moment. The graces of the Scapular can save a soul that keeps trying
Really liked the video, please make a part 2 because i learned a lot with this one.
Slight error right off the top. EWTN stands for Eternal WORD (not world) Television Network. Totally different meaning. Just wanted to fix that. 😊
I also wish you had explained the TLM a little more indepth. The Latin Mass evolved over the centuries, with many parts of the Mass starting from the beginning. Pope Pius the v and the council of Trent basically standardized the Mass, making it more universal. It was said in Latin so people could go anywhere and understand what was going on... Its the Mass of the ages, and it's so beautiful!
Yikes! I can’t believe I missed that EWTN thing! After I recorded this video, I had to re-record the intro and first tier because the gain (volume) was set too high on my microphone when initially recording these parts. It was after an already multi-hour recording session (which is why my voice is noticeably more tired and less energetic in the beginning), so I tried to blaze through these sections.
I must’ve misspoke because I was trying to get the recording done so quickly. I can’t believe I never noticed it while editing. Thank you for pointing it out. I knew I’d have to start a “corrections” tab in the comments for anything I got wrong. That’ll be first on the list.
Also, I probably should’ve been a little more clear on the TLM. A few people have pointed that out, so I’ll also add that to the corrections tab.
the idea of some dude in the corner just juggling during mass is fucking hilarious to me
Tbh I still love and respect the luminous mysteries. They’re such a wonderful meditation on the sacraments, Christ’s interaction with His kingdom, and just feel like really enjoying the wonder of it all in context. I know this video is in somewhat jest, but I’m always going to enjoy the luminous mysteries!
They are an unwelcome and illicit addition to the psaltery of the blessed ever Virgin Mary, (that render such title incompatible, since the number of hail-marys and of the pslams of David are 150) done by a freemason anti-pope that, among much, respected all religions and kissed a quran, that destroys the triune symbology (God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; life, death and resurrection of Christ; Church Militant, Penitent and Triumphant; etc.) of the most holy rosary the Mother of God Herself gave to St. Dominic. So they could be about the most beautiful of mysteries of the faith, they would still be a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing evil and thus you should use God-given reason towards them instead of your human-provenient wicked sentimentalisms.
His tone could be mistaken as jesting, but I get the sense that it was just snark or sarcasm for those who don't agree, and that he really believes these things.
I have been taught that Saint Paul was talking about personal responsibility in the verse about veils, and it refers more to the role of a woman in a household. Thence I was also taught that veil wearing is a special calling for some woman. I was taught this by one of the best people I’ve ever known, and she never wore a veil, but encouraged anyone to do it if they felt a calling to.
Women veiling in church is a discipline of the church, not a moral law. Disciplines can change. I choose to veil and appreciate the discipline of veiling, but it is wrong for the presenter to pit veiling as "are you going to listen to modern bishops or St. Paul", that is a scrupulous approach that puts a burden on people that the church never has.
This is queerly ridiculous: St. Paul simply refered to all christian women, not the women who ‘felt a calling’ to wear a veil. Just as God's 6th commandments prohibits fornication to everyone, not just to the ones who ‘felt a calling to’ chastity.
@@carolusaugustussanctorum lmao queerly ridiculous
@@bernadettegalvin7768 veiling doesnt feel like that much of a burden to me lol
@@steakfilly5199 You just forcedly laughed and then said a divinely inspired order isn't ‘much of a burden’ to you; as if you were someone relevant for that or said anything relevant at all. What a ridiculous way to go to hell.
I just started receiving on the tongue, and the priest in our parish is very lefty. I legitimately thought he would not let me receive. I have been drawn to veiling since I converted, and I’ve yet to be bold enough to wear it to my Novus Ordo mass.
Excellent video, presentation and research. I urge you to continue with your endeavors in making more videos, you will make people think about and rethink their believes.
Catholic isn't a Christian. Catholic is following humans and worshipping Mary. Christian is following Christ and worshipping only Christ!
It’s just you and your book, Jesus never left a book he said be baptized and join His Church.
Did Pastor Bob tell you that?
Dude provided absolutely zero evidence💀
I just converted and you're kind of scaring me away this is extremely intense
don’t be scared by it, he’s just an ultra conservative trad, and the vast majority of the church doesn’t hold the views he does. keep doing what you’re doing, and know that you’re doing right by God. :)
Without ArchBishop Marcel Lefebvre who created the SSPX by the Will of God. There would not be a traditional Latin mass at any parish. There would be no FSSP or ICX without the Arch Bishop. So if you attend a traditional Latin mass and love it, pay homage to the Man who saved it for US!
amen
Please pray for the Restoration of Traditional Latin Mass.
In Poland (especially Diocese Gniezno and DIocese Bydgoszcz) Novus Ordo is still pretty conservative and we don't have that much problems. There are rarely some churches that have been so destroyed that most of the people get communion to hand for example, but in Basilic in Gniezno and other churches its pretty rare
A friend of mine and I had a discussion about TLM a few days ago. He said he likes them more than NO masses and he was overthinking if he’s on the edge of schism of smth. I brought to his attention that as long as he treats them equally, and acknowledges they are both holy, valid and valuable then he’s safe. The problem starts when someone says TLM is the only real mass and NO masses are invalid and stuff
Wow thank you. I've learnt so much. I've always been Catholic but I knew almost nothing about trads. My Catholic mom always criticized Latin masses for being too extreme. Now I'm interested in learning more. God bless your ministry here🙏
I’m trying to become Catholic and I’m constantly being convinced by Catholics to not be Catholic.
He is not a Catholic, he sounds more protestant to me. If you want catholic content, follow Ascension Press, Pints with Aquinas, Fr. Michael David, and Fr. Carlos Martins.
@@SalveRegina1 um… he is a Catholic.
This was eye opening. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
You got a lot wrong about basic facts. A lot of this is hatchet jobs on everything you don’t like. If you want a different church that is stuck in the 1600 go ahead and start your own.
Originally, communion was taken by hand in the early Christian Church. In the first few centuries of Christianity, it was common for the faithful to receive the Eucharist in their hands and then place it in their mouths. This practice is documented by early Church Fathers such as St. Cyril of Jerusalem, who described the proper way to receive the Host in one's hand with reverence.
However, by the Middle Ages, the practice had shifted predominantly to receiving communion directly on the tongue. This change was influenced by various theological and practical considerations, including a desire to prevent any particles of the consecrated Host from being lost or desecrated, as well as to emphasize the sacredness of the Eucharist.
The practice of receiving communion in the hand was largely abandoned in the Western Church until it was reintroduced after the Second Vatican Council in the 20th century, allowing for both forms to be practiced in many parts of the Catholic Church today.
Your dismissal of the Catechism is totally off base. Ratzinger was the principle author of the text. I pick that one example from this video but I could’ve used others to point out that your critiques lack nuance that comes with understanding.
P.S - your Latin pronunciation is also not good.
This was really good !! you really kept it moving and did great little summaries of each topic... excellent!
31:56 Translation mistakes also take place here in my country (Brazil), I never saw such wrong translation of "Glora Patri" here, but there is a very strange translation of the answer to "Dominus Vobiscum" - that in Portuguese is said "O Senhor esteja convosco" (The Lord be with you). When the priest says it in the mass it is common to answer "Ele está no meio de nós", a sentence that in English would be something like "He is among us", which is complete different from the latin answer to such words: "Et cum spiritu tuo.", in Portuguese, "E com seu espirito", in English "and with his spirit.". In my country there was a traditional teacher that fighting against that wrong translation said that the only thing that is between us is the stomach, it does not make much sense in English because in our language between can also be said by the word middle. That wrong translation says quite a lot about the Promethean character of the Council. Sorry for my English mistakes, it is not my first language.
I hope that in the future pe. Álvaro Calderón be known in your country, he is a member of the SSPX, who has a lot of incredible books about tomism, physics and the Council. He is said to be one of the greatest tomists of all times, his most known book is "Prometheus, the religion of man".
A small correction: Ele esta no meio de nos is better translated as "He is among us" (rather than 'between') or "He is in our midst."
@@danieltemelkovski9828 Yeah, you're right. Thank you.
The late Orlando Fedeli was the teacher who called attention to the unbelievable Brazilian translation of "et cum spiritu tuo" to literally "He's in the middle of us". I saw him say it in person. And in Portuguese, indeed this translation could mean that.
In Spanish, it is well-translated. The priest says "El Señor esté con vosotros/ustedes" for _Dominus Vobiscum_ and we respond "Y con su espíritu" _(Et cum spiritu tuo)._
To had more information about the Shroud of Turin, they conducted research after discovering the previous data was false. They used a new technique that could analyse the center of the Shroud. And by doing so, they discovered it dates from approximately 2000 years ago. Loved your video !
Proof? I lean towards the shroud being authentic but I must confess that it seems very conspiratorial that a corner containing a medieval repair was analyzed. Especially because it was not mentioned prior to the medieval period. So I would appreciate a source.
@@benediktschumacher9110 The name of the study is "X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud’s Linen Sample", you can find it easily on google just by typing its name
Instant subscribe: this video was FANTASTIC! I'm glad you brought up the 1994 Catechism, too. There is a lot of unnecessary "fluff text" in it. There is numerous occasions of weaponized ambiguity and mere "religious suggestions", which should in no way be in the "fundamental teachings" book of the Roman Catholic Church. The lack of citations in areas is also frustrating.
Whay do you mean "Everyone preffers the old Mass?". I live in a traditionally catholic country, have been catholic all my life and never heard anyone claiming the TLM is better than the new style. Many people might preffer it, but definitely not everyone.
It's a preference among a small group of rich conservatives. Not most Catholics. Most of them grew up Protestant and kept their hate and suspicion of Rome.