CELESTION SPEAKER COMPARISON | V30, CB65 & GB25
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- 3 different speakers with 3 different amps: Vintage 30, G12 M Creamback and G12 M Greenback with Marshall JCM800 2203 & 1959HW and Peavey 5150 II.
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Timecodes:
- Intro & general info: 0:00
- All speakers with JCM800: 3:03
- All speakers with 5150 II: 5:58
- All speakers with 1959HW: 8:19
- CB65 with all amps: 11:00
- V30 with all amps: 12:00
- GB25 with all amps: 12:44
- Conclusion: 13:27
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NOTE: the speakers are all 16 ohms even though the pics in the video shows 8 ohms. The reason: I didn't want to open my cabs to take the pics but took the pics from Celestion's website.
Are there any differences in the sound of 16 and 8 ohms?
I wanna know that too, especially combined with running an amp out at 8 that is usually on 16
Euge, I suggest you to try the Celestion Alnico Gold in the high gain context. It sounds really good. I putted four of them into my Orange 4x12 cab and I couldn't be happier. It sounds really good on the OD1 channel of my JVM 410 with my Jackson King V loaded with Seymour Duncan Custom humbucker and tuned in drop C standard 🎉
@@Mark_RaiThere’s a subtle difference. Lower impedance speakers usually will sound less bright, with their characteristic mid frequencies pitched slightly lower. The amp also behaves a little differently with different taps, from what I’ve heard (didn’t try yet) it feels more open with lower impedances. So yeah, there’s a difference but it should be subtle, so what’s important is to choose your preferred type of speakers, and matching their impedances according to your amps and cabinets needs. Rock on! 🤘🏽
@@Poly6Groove i was going to say the JCM800 sounds a bit smoother at 8ohm, little less top end. It’s subtle for sure but its noticeable and i quite like it
Loved the Creambacks on this one!
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All my cabs are CB65 and V30 mix. Before that it was GB and V30 mix for many years. Best of both worlds.
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I was just going to say mixing the v30s and creams would be the best of both worlds.
For me always V30 but creambacks are also very nice in many situations. Thanks for the great video again.💪
I’ve just put a combo of 2 creambacks and 2 V30s in my 4x12….best tone I’ve ever had!!!
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Absolute winner the Creamback for me, a can do it all speaker to my old ears and sounds good on all 3 amps Euge.
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Man that plexi with V30 sounds awesome and the 800 with the GB pops too.
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thanks, I'll go solder V30 for all cabinets)
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Euge delivering top-notch original content, once again. Thank you very much for it
Glad you enjoy it! Thanks!
It'd be nice to hear different combinations of them. The Greenback has all the high mids and highs that the Creamback lacks, whereas the Cream has the low mid girth that the Green doesn't. I wonder what a 4x12 with two of each would sound like.
Would love to see an "in the style of" Ronnie Le Tekro of TNT , love the fast choppy stuff he does.
Thanks for this comparison. This goes to show once again that the stupid rumor that we can read across forums that V30 and marshall dont work is simply false. Ithanks you for posting quality content on a regular basis that's really coo!
V30 always warms my heart 🔥
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another great video Euge
I run G12m65 creambacks in my 1960A cab and G12T75 from 1993 in my 1960B cab. I find this a really good combination
Thanks!
Thank you. I would like to hear V-type in this comparison
Thanks!
Same here. The V-type is everywhere now so it would be awesome to see how it compares with the others.
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Awesome! Thank you!
All due respect to Celestion, who make great speakers, there's some other names that have REALLY stepped up their game and are producing some fantastic speakers for the same or less money. Eminence, Jensen and Mojotone to name a few. And it's not just price they're competing with. They all have different character, uses and tone frequencies than Celestion. I suppose my point is just because the name is so popular and iconic, don't tune out the others. There may be your dream tone just waiting to be discovered in another brand.
Excellent! Really loved this. Speakers make such a difference. I.actually like the cream backs the most overall, they sounded really fat and full. I have all these in diff cabs and I love all. Thanks Euge.
Thanks man!
My ears really preferred both Marshalls with the Green Back. The JCM800 + GB is pure metal I love it.
5150 +VC30 is my favorite overall though.
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Vintage 30 was my fovorite here. Has the most clarity. Green back sounded kind of dull.
For my old worn out ears greenbacks All the way! 🤘 Sitting there playing them in person might be a different story?
Same, except for the 5150 the VC30 sounds super tight imo. 🤘
Depends what I’m looking for in any given situation 👌.
Very good depiction of what all 3 sound like recorded... funny thing is I love the sound of Greenbacks IN THE ROOM when I'm playing through them but they always sound weird when recorded and this demo shows that too. You know the sound you get when you put your ear against a big sea shell? I always hear that with Greenbacks. The Creambacks are a bit too harsh in the high end for me... V30's sounded the best to me on this video overall.
The modded Plexi with the V30 had a rich sounding sweetness to it big time. To me ear the V30 and modded plexi was it. Of course I am sure my iPad speakers are nothing compared to being in your studio.
It’s all about personal preferences 👌.
excellent comparison. would also like to hear the differences with different pickups also like seymour duncans.
Thanks!
I did a similar study / job back in 2000 ... tiresome, as I had to drive like 6 hours to get to the recording studio back then, but definitely worth it! Guitar was 1988 ESP Horizon Custom w Duncan Custom/SSL2, amps Marshall 1960a, 3 Peavey 412ms & m cabinets with Celestion G12M25, Vintage 30, G12K85
Great comparison; it highlights really well the differences between those speaker. And it confirms my (little) experience with V30 / GB and H30. Overall a V30 always works for modern tones but H30 or GB is also ok for more vintage amps with less preamp gain.
Thanks!
Thanks Euge
You’re welcome 🙏🤟.
For me 100% Creamback.
See! The cream backs to me is the shit!! Ima bout to take my uk v30s out of my Mesa cab and put uk 65 cream backs in my 4x12 os straight
They all sound great. I’ve recently put UK made V30’s in a Marshall 1960A cab, replacing the T-75s that had some harsh frequency spikes. They are 8ohm speakers and sound fantastic with the JCM800 2203x, which I had to set the output to 8ohm from the amp. Do you think there’s any difference in tone running the amp out at 8 instead of 16?
Indeed. Haven’t really compared and haven’t really noticed so if there’s any it’s not meaningful to me 😎.
I liked the V30's best with all the amps
Thank you very much for this video ( subscribed ). Very simple, one riff repeated so you can focus on the differences and your deduction as well. I have a 2x12 vertical cab with V30s, and was thinking of swapping one of the speakers, not really sure what would be the best, but maybe I would leave the top one to be V30 , and I think I would chose a creamback for the other bottom one. The amp is DSL20HR and I am more after a hard rock sound. If you have your thoughts on it please share it with me
Thanks for the sub! That plan sounds good to me 👌😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V Thanks for the fast reply 🙂. I will try to trade one of mine V30s for a cream back if I can find someone willing
Hi Euge! I love your channel. Do you plan to make some "how to play" videos on songs from your new album "Hardtones"? It's one of my repeat Spotify streams. I love it and it would be really nice to learn some of the songs! Have a great day!
Glad to hear thanks! Yeah the TAB book is almost finished and I’ll do a video about it and maybe for some songs separate lessons.
@@EugeValovirta230V Sounds great. By the way looking forward to see you play on Nalen (Stockholm) on the 14th of september!
CB65’s for the win.
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If you get the chance to try some 80’s G12-65’s I would like to hear the comparison to the Greenbacks with the Plexi, standard tuning with a classic rock riff…..pretty please!! (Ps I know it is personal taste, but the drop tuned guitar thing really sucks the tone out of the speakers sound and doesn’t let the speakers perform to their best. )
If someone ever sends me those 😎.
Euge tell me what do you think of buying matching gear...amp, cab, effects...what do you think of the sounds, and what do you think about the standards for the industry?
Not sure what you mean but I just buy gear I like whether it’s considered standard or not. Well I still mostly use the stuff I bought in the 90s: JCM800s, 5150s, Marshall cabs, SD-1 & TS-808 etc. I guess those are considered standards but if it ain’t broken there’s no need to fix anything 😎💪.
Hey Euge im looking your Channel a few Month now and i love your Tone whats coming out of Amps where others used Modern Metal Amps / Pedals.
I know that the speaker / cab combination is the key, to get a good Sound. I self use Digital Platforms like Helix and Tonex. Is there any Chance to get a Tonex Capture of one of your Amps / cabs or maybe an Impulse Response of your Marshall 1960 BV cab?
Keep doing this great Channel and Rock on.
Greetings from Nuremberg
Glad to hear! I have no idea about those so most likely not. At least for now 😎.
Nice comparison, Euge! I'm wondering if you've tried out G12-65 speakers? I there's a lot of older records that used those in marshall cabs, but I don't see them used too often anymore. My understanding is they're supposed to be a like higher-powered greenback, probably something similar to what the creambacks are achieving today.
Thanks! Yes I use that a lot and on this video for example 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V He probably means the silver g12-65 (now called heritage I think) not the Creamback 😉 a lot of people claim Slash used them on AFD.
Euge, do you remember where on the speaker you put the mic on the cream back?
Like I said in the video that all mics are at the edge of the dustcap except ribbons straight in front 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V shit sorry I guess I missed that.
Awesome.. Euge how do you like The Celestion G12M 65s? I'm waiting on my backordered Marshall 212 JTM Vertical Cab with them and hoping they handle gain good.
Just watch this video 😁.
Hey Euge, ever tried the K100? I bought one of the Marshall MF400B and to this day it survived ALL of the Cabs i had between then and now. And i had quite a few. But still, i watch your comparison Clips 😁
Not sure but I might’ve recorded an album with those back in the day.
@@EugeValovirta230V Alright😆👍
65 sounds great
That too 😎🤟
Creambacks
I might have become a Creamback convert now. It just has that something to it. V30 sounds good too, but kinda too perfect, nothing special there, whereas Creamback has some awesome character in the mids.
🔥Is that Marshall v30?
Celestion Vintage 30
No wrong answer in this situation
Exactly.
Is that the 6550 800?
One of them yes.
Pro Tools now? How you find the swap?
I’ve used ProTools since early 2000s and Logic since 2017 so they’re both like riding a bike.
@@EugeValovirta230Vindeed! Both brilliant! Great video, I love greenback for Marshall but G12 also great. All workable 🤘
V30 4 me 🎉
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You don't need 100500 units of gear if all of it sounds like mt-2 as always
That was a good one 😂😂😂!
Better try CB75, 65 not for metal
I have that too and both works fine in many different situations. It just about personal preferences in any given situation.