Can I just say how crazy it is that Hololive’s big drama is spoiling an off collab or Subway jokes, while Nijisanji’s tamest moment is a graduation announcement.
The offcollab wasn’t even spoiled really, nerissa and shiori were already doing off collabs when she said it. Think it’s the “in Japan” part she shared which hadn’t been shared which isn’t a big deal. People being mad for people who aren’t mad themselves.
and im getting annoyed with khyo saying it doesnt mean shit yet puts in the thumbnail. however, it does makes me feel grateful that this is considered news for hololive while nijisanji is killing itself
@akira8393 Khyo wasn't the one who said it didn't mean shit like you claimed. It was at 2:07 where he referred to what Kronii said verbatim in the comment she made at the clip at the last paragraph saying "this is not a big deal and so I will happily move on from."
@@Arashi257 they're incredibly mid. If you have any kind of American sandwich shop in your area, it's gonna be more or less the same as that shop: over processed lunch meats on a loaf of bread and a smattering of random veggies of somewhat questionable freshness.
People that keep bringing up weird bits like her blended sandwiches have NOTHING and I do mean nothing going on in their lives. It's been more than a year time to move on, she's had surgery two or three times since then , had her wisdom teeth removed and all sorts of other odd things but that's what they lean into. I did my best to forget and no someone has to bring it up again
@@munkeefinkelbeen5395 So basically you're saying that if I ever get the chance, I should just make my own subs? Then again, I always did like eating foods that I prepare myself.
I feel like that’s a same kind of joke as every time a new oversea member debuts and gets called speaking Japanese better than miko which she laughs about it and that’s all. Guess it’s just a personal issue where Kronii obviously don’t appreciate it
Which is a shame while I didn't watch ID much, what I saw of him he seemed like a chill guy with a really nice voice. Did something specific cause that?
@@LukasJampen The death of the ID branch pretty much (aka when Niji merged them with the EN branch). Literally every single one of them started leaving back to back even before shit started to get bad in the public eye. They no longer had the support they used to have, their OG managers were replaced with shitty new ones and they were basically left to fend for themselves. I'm surprised they didn't leave sooner, though most of had already pretty abandoned their accounts and was focusing on their in real jobs or just made a whole new account to go indie/went back to their past lives.
@@LukasJampen Lack of funding and management probably, after the merge the ID branch died, those who know what gonna happened already left, the ones are left is dying a slow death. ID branch is abandoned, before it was the better branch out of all Niji branch, now there is no funding, no events, no sponsors, no merch sale or new outfits/models and no managers while Niji still taking a massive cut. Going independent would be no different, actually it would be better
And Selen said Bonbon was busy doing irl job despite their lack of collab, and to connect with Mika's story suddenly it all make sense now, he and the rest ID talents probably busy earn money to pay up that debt trap from niji
Oh my gosh. I know I don't appreciate or support the kurosanji company but there are a handful of talents that still hold my heart. Bonnivier was one of them, I hope he has a good time after graduation !
@@b0t123 She’d have to be looking in some extremely niche places, I know that I, at the very least, haven’t seen any mention of subway for months, even on /vt/, before she mentioned it on stream.
For her direct fanbase? Yes. For the wider Hololive fanbase, most likely. But outside of Hololive, chances are if you know only one thing about Kronii, it's the "Blended Subway Sandwich". You may not be able to pick her out of a line up. You probably can just BARELY recognize her voice (if she's not gagging, like in one of the clips). But if you know the name "Kronii", it's almost certainly because of Subway. And it's the people coming in from outside the direct fanbase, looking for a way "in" with the old fans ("Hey, I know this about Kronii!"), who are continuing to bring up Subway.
Yeah it's weird. Like is it such a big deal being spoiled that Hololive Advent is in Japan? Like Cover is a Japanese company, of course they were going to show up in Japan eventually...
Might've been avoidable if Kiara had just ignored the initial comments but meh, it's not hurting anyone. We all knew that's where they are, except for the super new ppl
Yeah. Zero "spoilers". Even if it was, personally I don't see how that spoils the actual entertainment a person gets from the stream (if/when there is one) and the streamers themselves. That's me tho. But, in the bug picture it doesn't matter because you'll always find people who get their panties in a bunch for any little thing. Oh, a Vtuber took a picture _next_ to another streamer, or a streamer of the opposite sex. A Vtuber model uses colors that kind of, maybe, sort of, looks like a certain county flag's colors (by random coincidence) if you squint your eyes. A new Vtuber model reveals too much ...or covers up too much. The new direction a Vtuber is taking their music is "unacceptable". Or even _MENTIONING_ another Vtuber. ...There'll always be a group of people who can't stand another person's individuality, go figure.
kronii thought the meme would die down? bruh she's talking about the fanbase that still throw around Fox = cat memes, and god knows how long ago that is.
maybe i wrong but i think she tried to pull what fauna did when she draw the boundries between her and the fans, however the problem with this is kroni basically the one who bring the subway topic first so she just faced hers own consequences
It's pretty stupid for a streamer to rant after a period of silence like, are they expecting the fans to read their mind that she's not happy about it? Streamers create their own fuse about a topic that they don't enjoy 'till it snap, they rant, and the audience never realized they were mad about it. Easy solution: Talk about it as soon as you feel uncomfortable with it. Treat your audience like children, tell them to police other people who mention that thing and they will happily follow. On another topic, Fubuki's Fox = Cat is not a dead meme. Fubuki is one of the streamers who wear their memes like a badge of honor, she make cat videos and cat memes every now and then.
@@cry9438 meanwhile while we talk about this kroni branch+mate bijou need to deal with all the memes and jokes hers community made up (candy feet,salty dandruff and more)
The joke is more than 18 months old. If unfunny people still think that's funny, then it's fine to tell them to stop, and if jerks wanna keep doing it to piss of Kronii, then that's an easy target to put on their back. Kronii isn't one to take shit from people, and if her community doesn't comply to her demands she'll let the faithfull ones murk the black sheeps. She is ruthless
'Two ladies staying together in jp' is an unforgivable spoiler by Kiara. We were all operating under the assumption that they were 7 dudes in an old Bhutanese soviet bunker. Immersion ruined, my disappointment is immeasurable and etc
The guy going after Ame and hate lolis has promoted real sex with children. If he is friends with Capcom lol they probably might want to cut ties with him.
Just found out his YT channel. There was a reply of him saying that he emailed cover corp and frankly said that he will not get sued by cover corp. he also said that he is a monster? Well indeed as he would chose to sleep with a 17 year old girl.
The Smash bros fandom has the highest amount of pedifiles like him. It's one of the main reasons they were dropped from Evo by Sony. Along with Melee being difficult to set up for staff.
@@Arashi257 most times these people crying the loudest about fictional things being vile are guilty of doing vile real things in the real world. It's incredibly common to find out they get arrested or offed later one. there used to be a few twitter accounts I followed because they were really bad and had harassed people from my community so I just wanted to keep a check on them. Both of them got take out back like ol'yella apparently by people they crossed doing the thing they claimed others were doing in fictional settings.
@@billcolgate2851 Even more than that, they've been regularly graduating groups from ID over time for about a year now. Bonbon has basically just been sticking it out to occasionally do apex tournaments or play with Sonny and then go back to his alt.
I recall seeing someone say that Bobon had never streamed for a long while, except when supporting Selen in her endeavors. I guess soon he can go all out in his future endeavors, including assisting in hers.
I've been hearing about all of Advent being in Japan for several days now, well before Kiara's stream. Nerrisa and Shiori did an off-collab Twitter space before Kiara's stream as well so we already knew those two were staying in the same place. During that TS it didn't take much effort to conclude they were streaming from a hotel room. Heck, that chat comment Kiara read on stream even proves at least some fans already knew they were in Japan.
Yeah thing is people wanna randomly attach Kiara to spoiling things even though those same people probably already knew it was going on because they are active followers of the talents. It’s a weird thing to blame a talent for spoilers especially if things like looking at their schedules was a 100% confirmation of it all
Looking at the actual clip, seems like a couple members were being sarcastically facetious about her spoiling when she didnt really know if they were in another country or not. (I certainly didn’t have a clue either, I thought Nerissa went to Shiori’s actual home.) 😅
I was wondering what the drama was with Kiara and saw she mentioned Japan. Now that I know all I can say is... that's it? It feels like people just look for any excuse to be mad at Wawa. The only one who gets that worse is Calli.
Yeah random fans attach way too much weight to Kiara’s words like those same fans definitely already knew that the advent girls are in Japan and are using Kiara fumbling over her words a bit to justify their assumption. People have a weird type of confirmation bias towards Kiara that they don’t apply to most other EN girls
Kiara didn't know anything, she got everything from chat it soundlike so entirely a none event. Regardless the collabing would have made it obvious anyway that they had to be physically close
I get Kronii is upset but she could've responded way better. She's acting like a Diva who wants to control the environment of her fandom. Yes point out what makes you upset, but telling people they aren't real fans is a douche move. You're online, have fun with it or respectfully talk about not doing it on the stream.
Sadly for Kronii, when some kind of thing happens to you or you do a thing that is meme able, that stuff's gonna follow you for the rest of your days. while it'll be less and less it will never go away. Honestly the best is to ignore it and not address it, since addressing it will flare it up and it will recycle itself again. This is the way the internet goes once somethings stuck to your persona it will stay that way forever. (luckily her subway thing is quite a mild and nondamaging thing to follow her, so she's gonna be okay)
so true, the best option is you either accep it and make it in to your brand or just plain ignore it so people will die down and never dig it again, if you against it and address it, it will just make it more and more bigger problem instead, honestly i hove kroni can endure it instead addressing it
No, you can address it, just only do it once and then move on. It’s fine to set boundaries for stale memes and jokes (see bottom-left memes for Kiara). The people that actually care about the streamer will listen and adhere to their wishes. The internet can do whatever tf it wants at that point.
@@RobeezyLoudenProud Sometimes people are too sensitive about silly things! I just don't understand, honestly! Public figures should be able to deal with it in a better way.
Everybody’s different. I feel like some people forget that way too easily. That being said, a content creator should know the mental and emotional risks that comes with their job though.
I don't get why the subway memes trigger Kronii so much. It's clearly not a dead meme if that many people still enjoy using it, and it's just about benign as a meme could be. Is there some, like, sexual connotation associated with it that she dislikes? Is she just on the rag?
Have you never done something, and then a year or two later it is embarrassing to look back on? That is probably happening here. I wouldn't even be that surprised if she privates the original vod in the near future.
I think the kronii subway thing is just good comedy, that's why people still check out the clip, good comedy can have a long life, even if the person depicted in it is already tired of it the audience might not be
@@saysalla if you think jokes about someone is considered harassment or "bullying" or "signs of being an unloyal supporter" youre gonna HATE how comedians are nowadays.
Bonnivier Pranaja was one of the many Nijisanji ID vtuber I've watched during COVID. His gaming skill and charisma is amazing. Kinda sad seeing him graduating without having a graduation stream, but I guess it's a given since he hasn't been streaming for a long time too. Dude's probably busy and I wish him success in his future endeavours. Good luck, Mr. Fisherman!
I expected Bobon to graduate. He's been streaming on an alt account recently with some other ID talents. Hopefully he has all the success in the world.
Wow!! Kronii has a certain way of speaking but in this situation she came of really bad. She sounded like a grade A witch. There is better ways to do this. Ina is a great example of how to do it.
Kind of a weird thing to make specific mention of. Not really sure I agree that people are making it her Kronii's "whole" brand. Vtubers do a lot of weird shit that gets stuck in the zeitgeist, for her one of those things is subway blending. She did it as a joke, and it was effective as a joke; and if it's "not a big deal" why single it out specifically and say it makes you uncomfortable? Either it is a big deal and it does, or it's not and it doesn't. Again just a weird thing to have to address.
The fans already knew because of Advents schedules and all of them taking breaks/traveling. Pretty much the chat already knew but because Kiara talked a little bit about it they just think she confirmed it. It’s really dumb that people think she spoiled anything
kroni bringing attention to subway sandwich might make it worse. Also where is she ego surfing cause I don't recall anyone mentioning subway thing in a long time
I mean, maybe she shouldn't have blended the subway sandwiches in the first place? Honestly, it's just such a memorably revolting thing to do that it's going to stick with you basically forever, and she should have known that. Kinda like the spider cooking thing, only Hachima ran with that one, but if she didn't encourage it, people would continue to reference what she did, because it was just that outlandish. No one else has eaten a spider on Hololive, and no one else blended subway sandwitches. She did it for the shock value, and now she's stuck with it. Tons of people end up the same way, many times against their wishes, like, let's take a really old one, The Star Wars Kid. He didn't want that video released to the public, but it was, and he got stuck with it.
Yeah, it feels a bit petty to think someone is malicious for beating a dead horse or getting upset over people engaging with content you made yourself. I think it would be better overall to just keep ignoring it instead of making a statement that tries to retroactively claim that "the joke was never funny! didn't you get the memo?". Like yeah I'm not slapping my knee and wheezing when someone calls Fubuki a cat but it's clear that a lot of people just aren't daily watchers and will then resort to the common denominator to communicate somehow. Someone else mentioned that when Irys had her debut there were some attempts to make IRS jokes, but it never caught on at all since she completely stonewalled it. I'm just a filthy clip watcher so I don't really care either way at the end of the day.
It doesn't help that Kronii only has maybe one or two other slightly interesting memes in her community that stand out, so of course people are gonna harp on the one actually interesting thing for so long.
@@XT873 I believe this is due to Kronii being upset the entire stream. With people reacting weirdly with the lack of booba in her new outfit. Compound this with people sending her supas talking about "forgetting timezones," mentioning the subway saga unprompted, which leads me to believe that this is her indirect way of saying she regrets doing that stream. What really broke the camel's back though is chat saying in a really sardonic way that she's "pretty sassy today" which if one understands social cues, would only make the person in question even more upset especially coming from strangers such as chat.
Well obviously Kroni doesnt like people making the joke anymore so two options a) not saying anything and hope it does away b) say something an hope people listen. She tried a it did not work now she tries b.... I think this will take care of about 90% of people making the joke that probably just did not know how she felt about it and also makes it easy to identify the remaining 10% that dont give a shit so that she can not give a shit about them also.
I really don’t think Kronii should have been a vtuber. She’s so like i don’t know, it’s crazy she got accepted. She doesn’t create good vibes, she’s just there for herself and it’s so selfish.
I completely understand and agree with Kronii. Leave it to the internet to take something funny and run it into the ground until it not only stops being funny, but becomes downright annoying...
If your going twist someones joke that's meant to be a playful jab into "your defining me as this waah😫" that's some wild mental gymnastics despite the level of fans views and Donks you get and the support your company gives you get thicker skin
@@blinkyy4594 Looks like we found the unintelligent clown who keeps parroting a boring, unfunny joke. Did you get upset after being called out? Get thicker skin.
The thing is though without government involvement, the Internet isn't gonna forget your memes, jokes, funny antics. Remember Ugandan Knuckles? It's still alive somewhere
I'm not someone who watches Kronii streams, but given some of the comments down here I suspect one of two things. One, she's overblowing how frequent the joke is coming up. Or two she's not done anything on that level of memorable since then.
Didn’t realise he was into esports (then again I only saw one of his streams and that was he day after day Coco graduated) I guess that’s why he got on well with Selen? I wonder if he would get on with Dokibird too?
Her appeal was her voice and her "ribbon." The former eventually stops being a novelty and she does her damndest to hide the latter. So, indeed, there's nothing.
I love watching Kronii but the way she addressed that is so strange. Every vtuber stream is full of npc comments spamming the same memes over and over and she wants to forcibly erase one of them that she made herself? I completely understand "wanting to not make it her identity" and personally disliking it but it's literally bringing her more audience AND 🤑🤑🤑 through clips and npc comments referencing it every now and then doesn't make it her entire identity even if it's cringe as hell to see
Exactly. It's the internet. The internet is going to do its thing regardless of whether Kronii or anybody else likes it or not. I could see if she was facing legitimate issues like harassment (like what Watson is currently experiencing) but she complaining about a meme that, like you said, she created. It goes to show just how out of touch with reality she and a large portion of her fanbase who blindly agree with everything she says really are.
But she addressed that though. She said that the people who she actually cared about would realise that she didn't like it and stop, and that she didn't care about the ones who'd do it just for the sake of being annoying and just wanted her actual fans to know that she'd like them to stop. And surely if you actually care about someone you'd stop being an annoying little sh*t to them when they asked you to stop and were clearly genuinely bothered, right? Otherwise you probably didn't care all that much
@@HyattHyatt3179 What did she address? That it bothers her but she doesn't care anyway but enough to actually mentioning it - ban people over it? Sure, you don't care about someone if you don't treat her like a snowflake over a bit of banter, considering she brought that upon herself. Isn't that being a little shit?🤔
I do have to say that I'm sorry Kroni, but that's now how it works. This whole situation reminds me of the whole debacle with Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris hated for the longest time the Chuck Norris jokes and did took some legal action against some sites. It was until the expendables that he finally came down to accept it as part of him. One does not control the meme, the meme is controlled by the fans and addressing it doesn't stop people from using it, but makes it worse.
It's interesting how money changes people's opinion on things. I'm sure kronii wasn't this angry about the dead old stale subway jokes when she made bank by streaming herself blending sandwiches and drinking them. She wasn't this hostile to the other hololive talents who made subway jokes at her either because collabing with them is worth more than some stupid paypig to her.
It’s funny that’s what she doesn’t like anymore lol. I guess it really is just because it’s played out. I do think she could’ve told people to knock it off without getting just a bit dramatic, but like, that’s kronii I do think the fans do need to let some jokes die after awhile. Just like Towa, the whole angel thing was kinda cute at first and then she’s like “uh sure okay…” when they just keep going.
I’m kind of glad bonbon is released from the shackles! It would be amazing to see them reconnect with doki or mishi! I know those three played games together a few times and always enjoyed him!
so being a "kroni" and a "part of the community" is something to strive for? and she uses that as leverage to control their behavior? i dont really care about these perceived boundaries. Shes been gettin an attitude tellin someone in chat that they were a pre pubescent boy and to get out for mentioning "holy booba" about her new outfit. THis is why the jp ones are better or newer streamers that havent gotten an attitude like Nerissa
Exactly. Maybe it's just me, but she sounded more like she was telling her paypigs how they had to act in order to have the privilege to watch her than she did somebody who was just "setting boundaries". Kiara and Calli did it much better.
one of my fav Niji iD gamers Om Bobon going to grad not realy suprised cus he already showing how he not realy enjoying time after selen gone, but obviously the reason why he's on another job.. so now there's only 5 Remaining Member from Niji Id, Hana, Rai, Layla, Nagisa, Etna. realy end of era..
Ok, minus 10 points of respect for Kronii. You can't tell people what they see as funny or not. She has the right to tell the audience to knock it off, but not to decide what is funny. Idk, but by making it seem like such a big deal it makes her come off as one of those easily offended Karens that think they are the moral police of the world.
Unfortunately for Kronii, her attempt to act funny and grab attention of viewers now is stuck to her image. There's no more "boundaries" about will be said after you share it with thousands of viewers.
@ManWithFace changing opinions is fine. Demanding boundaries after giving so much freedom and talking crap to grab and hold an audience and giving content for fans to develop parasocial relationships is counterintuitive. It's not a matter of being incomprehensible, it's just common sense with "celebrities". Also, you're one month late on your reply, mate.
Actually, now thinking about what Michi said about her past workplace, I think it sort of makes sense why Niji ID graduations have been happening en masse, specifically talking about the debt trap. Michi said she was lucky with it, but perhaps that's why a lot of Niji ID talents have been dropping out of the company, because it wasn't just a 1 person thing, but incompetence over dealing with an entire branch of livers.
On one hand, I'm happy Bonni is finally free from hell. On the other hand, I'm still seething with rage remembering how stupid Niji was merging ID to EN and firing ID's manager. So many programs already planned fwent down the drain just becauss someone doesn't want their ego got bruised any further.
About the Kronii thing, I unsubscribed a very long time ago, but something tells me it's a combination of older clips still having traction and the community still rehashing that old and stale joke (just like a blended Subway) being a sign there isn't much else worth noting going on with her these days. Usually memes and clips get replaced with newer stuff unless the channel isn't really generating anything new anymore. (But again, I unsubbed a very long time ago, so what do I know.)
Couldn't have said it better myself. She should strive to bury this dated joke with amazing streams / achievements rather than asking her fans to cool it.
I mean idk why it would even be a "surprise" if they were in Japan. The 3 members of Advent NOT ALREADY IN JAPAN all taking a break at the same time and 2 of them having off-collabs for an entire week?
Kronii needs to get over it. She did something stupid,, most people have forgotten about it as well. Just ignore the message or delete it. Doesn't help her attitude has dive bombed.
As much as I hate it, its true. I'm still seeing the joke of "I liked it when they appeared and said its _ing time" meme format from morbius and it should've died a LONG time ago.
Heh, well... there are always some new fans, that are watching old videos and then mentioning things from them in chat. This joke maybe dead for Kronii, but for some people it is a fresh experience... sad, that it makes her uncomfortable, but it barelly will stop
I don't make jokes about Subway specifically but I do admit I can't help but make a glib comment about eating moldy bread when Kronii talks about her health issues. Not on stream or where Kronii is likely to see it herself, though, obviously.
Niji graduation. Anyways, seeing Advert and Tempus HQ Japan is exciting. Maybe they're getting their 3Ds? No freaking idea, but that leaves speculation of them getting 3Ds, but i'm not holding my breath. What I am excited about is the EN boys and girls getting to meet their JP senpais. Fuma meeting Shinri is always a thing that i want to see happen due to how much a fanboy Fuma is of Shinri. Advent meeting their Senpais is also going to be super cute, especially with Bijou meeting her JP senpais as the JP girls are going to go in full Onee‐Chan or Mom mode with her.
I mean, maybe I'm insensitive, and I get that if people are running a joke into the ground kind of thing it's annoying, but I occasionally tease my friends for dumb shit they've said or done years ago. If that gets to a point where it's tormenting you when someone brings it up, holy fuck you need to take a step back and reassess what the hell is going on in your life.
Ocasionally and the fact you are one person are the keys differences in what you describe and what is happening here. I say it as someone that place itselft as the but of jokes in my friend group.
"Spoiling" an off-collab and its location being in Japan? That's a thing? What mental gymnastics have to be done to make that make sense...Are you suddenly unable to enjoy their off-collab stream because you were "spoiled"? Are you sitting there stewing in anger scowling at the off-collab, "Uggh, i hate knowing about this beforehand, my day is ruined". It wasn't even intended to be some big reveal or secret either...I'm having a stroke just trying to make sense of it
Honestly I thought Bonnie had already graduated since he last streamed like 6 months ago. Sad to see him go but I wish him all the best for his future.
Annnd now that she's brought it up, it's going to be the *only thing* her chat talks about now. I believe that is called 'Shooting Yourself in the Foot' 1:16 Also, I can't even *remember* the last time I heard about Kronii or saw a clip that didn't have sandwiches in it in some way, since that flower clip.
Couldn't even remember the sandwich joke, but frankly Kronii is being a huge salty sourpuss about all this, it strikes me as pretty juvenile (not to mention counterproductive). When you work a very public job, the second you take that job you give away the right to decide what people say or think about you. It simply goes with the territory and she's better off accepting that than trying to sulkily make people stop, it's not as though it's something malicious or damaging to her, it's a silly lame joke that frankly was at best mildly amusing to begin with, but if people want to run with it a year on, that's their right and prerogative.
Yea, minus 10 points of respect for Kronii. You can't tell people what they see as funny or not. She has the right to tell the audience to knock it off, but not to decide what is funny. Idk, but by making it seem like such a big deal it makes her come off as one of those easily offended Karens that think they are the moral police of the world.
@@wolvress8064Most definitely she can ban who she wants to ban. However, telling people how to behave never ends up well. Also, what's to stop others from spreading the joke in other places. What she should have done is make people not want to use it. Something like give slight jabs at the people still making the joke. Not let everyone know it gets under her skin.
Kronii really comes off as an arrogant, petty, manipulative, unlikeable b***h the more I watch and learn about her. I think it's time to stop. Much better and more personable vtubers who are less of a stick in the mud to spend my time on.
I love Bobon, but he had practically no viewers and no support from the company. He was probably only still going because his living situation was so bad and this was supposed to be his biggest chance to do what he loves. Like, even while working for "the biggest vtuber company in the world" he was describing his life like he was working part-time to support his whole family. I really wish this had been the opportunity he was probably expecting, and I hope he finds a path in life that allows him to live comfortably.
I respect Kroni addressing the subway joke but as a vtuber fan, I cherish every moment that reminds me of a certain vtuber, be it a joke or anything..and those subway moments really had a big impact on me for her..tbh I don't really see her fans using the joke that frequently anymore though I giggle along whenever I see it even until to this day..I guess I should stop doing that now
Yeah, it's them repressing those feelings that can be the cause of them not coming back to streaming for a while. There's nobody to give them a different perspective otherwise. At the end of the day, the subway thing is representation of you as a hololive fan that was here during that time. I think it's okay if you feel that way, it's just that others may not have been as positive about it. Something like that can easily be used as bully material.
@@saysalla I'm sorry but you totally misunderstood my words there..also I was never the type who kept going on with the same joke 24/7..I only said that I still find it funny whenever I see ppl talking about it which is rare nowadays, but since she personally addressed for it to be stopped, I will do just that, tq
Shiori, Nerissa and Biboo are all together in Japan. They literally streamed together and were talking about being in Japan. It wasn’t a secret they are there. People complaining at Kiwawa are morons.
The clip of Kiara was before Advent revealed that they were in Japan. So when she talked about it, it was still a secret. (I still don't think it's a big deal, just clarifying)
I never knew about the subway blending, but all i know is the moment i hear a paper wrapper on kronii's stream I'm going to assume it's meatball marinara
So memes and jokes have an expiration date now? If she has such a thin skin about making fun at herself, she should just ban them completely. She would not be the first streamer do ever do that
Really lending more credence to the idea that Kurosanji is getting ready to consolidate all their content creators they actually want to keep into the JP division and shed the other markets entirely. Clearly they're starting to understand that their kind of bullshit doesn't fly too well outside of Japan.
New viewers may be just curious and not think it as a joke, has she even ever consider it? For what reason would anyone blend a sandwich? Just for fun?
(Just posted this comment on the clip in question, so I'm gonna leave it here too) I'll be honest, I'm not exactly happy with how kronii approached this. The clip of kiara saying kronii was already fed up with the meme dates back to over a year ago now, so it makes me question why she waited to bring it up now to her general audience? I can only assume it was because she didn't want to look like a grump about it or be seen as making a big deal over a silly sandwhich joke, which i can understand, but letting this build up over a year to the point you start talking down on some of your viewers in a very condescending tone? I don't think that's the right move. At least in my mind, a phrase like "knock it off" is quite aggressive, so to see it applied to people just overdoing a meme is questionable to me. This could have been as simple as bringing it up way earlier or just kindly telling peeps she's not down with it anymore. A similar situation happened with kiara, in which she handled it much better by comparison imo. As soon as she let everyone publicly know her thoughts (in a rather polite way) literally every single time afterwards when I saw a "bottom-left" joke it was immediately replied by another community member with "kiara isn't really down with this meme anymore, just an fyi" and now we virtually don't see it anymore. I also find it very weird people are talking about "cues" and stuff, in which not everyone actually picks up on that as easy as others. If you place a high value on inclusivity then I don't think you should be making this point. Some of the wording by kronii too is also off to me, like bringing up the tarnishment of her brand or stuff like only real supporters would know not to keep using the dead meme. I can't help but feel like some genuine fans of kroniis were really hurt by this. And look, I hate overdone memes as much as the next guy. It can be cringe, sure, but you don't need to come out and blast it to smitherines (again as we saw from kiara, all it took was a gentle notice, and the fans did the rest). We're all people here at the end of the day and most of us just wanna have fun. Hanlon's razor and the sort. The only counterpoint I can think of is mayyybe a lot of people were intentionally trying to push her buttons with the meme, but even then TONS of talents regularly lean into the whole "getting annoyed at a running joke but they're not actually annoyed they're just doing it for the sake of a bit" kinda thing, so this behavior shouldn't be unexpected. I don't think it warrants framing dead-meme abusers as malicious or outright immature. And to be clear, I think kronii has every right to shut down the meme (in fact i'd do the same in her shoes) but the execution of this is where I have a problem. This is far from being an enormous issue to me, but I think this is indicative that kronii should take a step back and have a breather. I think a lot of this could have been avoided if kronii simply made her stance known (using her words) from the get go. In this regard, I could also mention that this is quite similar to the holostars collab drama that happened, but thats its own can of worms I'll refrain from opening right now. I understand that kroniis really been going through it lately (having implied she's done being nice all the time now, since that's been burning her constantly) but I really think she needs to sort some personal stuff out here first and rethink how she perceives and engages with her community, because I think the way she delivered her sentiments on this situation were flawed. I'd like to point out I indeed want to give kronii the benefit of the doubt as much as I can, and I don't wanna come off as a hater (or god forbid a unicorn) since I love hololive to death, talents and community alike. So I'll just end this off by saying that If there's something I'm completely missing here, then I apologize in advance. I legit wish kronii and her community the best.
Can I just say how crazy it is that Hololive’s big drama is spoiling an off collab or Subway jokes, while Nijisanji’s tamest moment is a graduation announcement.
Nijisanji’s worst: *Literally life and death situations.*
Exactly my thoughts.
The offcollab wasn’t even spoiled really, nerissa and shiori were already doing off collabs when she said it. Think it’s the “in Japan” part she shared which hadn’t been shared which isn’t a big deal. People being mad for people who aren’t mad themselves.
Lol yeah most Holo drama is usually just fan related
@@zg3342 It was all pretty obvious. Nerissa, Shiori, and Biboo even joked about how “well” they were hiding it on stream yesterday
I love how Hololive's drama is like oh no, a baby sneezed vs Niji, a whole country's on fire!
and im getting annoyed with khyo saying it doesnt mean shit yet puts in the thumbnail. however, it does makes me feel grateful that this is considered news for hololive while nijisanji is killing itself
@akira8393 Khyo wasn't the one who said it didn't mean shit like you claimed. It was at 2:07 where he referred to what Kronii said verbatim in the comment she made at the clip at the last paragraph saying "this is not a big deal and so I will happily move on from."
@@akira8393 he probably add it to compare dramas between hololive's and nijisanji's
@@zoinksscoob6523That's the point, Hololive's drama is so negligible (literally) compared to what's currently and still happening in Niji.
coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb type situation
I genuinely forgot about the sandwiches. I repressed that super hard.
I repressed hard the second the blended sandwich stream ended. Kronii suffered for us, and I thought that was enough
Ngl, it made me wanna try Subway sandwiches, but unfortunately we don't have those here.
@@Arashi257 they're incredibly mid. If you have any kind of American sandwich shop in your area, it's gonna be more or less the same as that shop: over processed lunch meats on a loaf of bread and a smattering of random veggies of somewhat questionable freshness.
People that keep bringing up weird bits like her blended sandwiches have NOTHING and I do mean nothing going on in their lives. It's been more than a year time to move on, she's had surgery two or three times since then , had her wisdom teeth removed and all sorts of other odd things but that's what they lean into.
I did my best to forget and no someone has to bring it up again
@@munkeefinkelbeen5395 So basically you're saying that if I ever get the chance, I should just make my own subs?
Then again, I always did like eating foods that I prepare myself.
im surprised that joke is still alive, seeing how she had not referenced it in any way for over a year.
People will always find it a way. They don't understand how to let stuff die.
Its pretty damn iconic. Up until that point subway was a pretty regular thing for me and I wasnt able to eat for like months after that
UA-cam chat is behind on the memes.
I feel like that’s a same kind of joke as every time a new oversea member debuts and gets called speaking Japanese better than miko which she laughs about it and that’s all.
Guess it’s just a personal issue where Kronii obviously don’t appreciate it
Subway was brought up in the content warning collab a month ago, not specifically about that stream tho
Technically bonni's ch. is quite dead before the selen thing ever happened, so i'm not suprised he's graduating.
Which is a shame while I didn't watch ID much, what I saw of him he seemed like a chill guy with a really nice voice. Did something specific cause that?
I hear he’s been active on his PL but I don’t know what it is.
@@LukasJampen The death of the ID branch pretty much (aka when Niji merged them with the EN branch). Literally every single one of them started leaving back to back even before shit started to get bad in the public eye. They no longer had the support they used to have, their OG managers were replaced with shitty new ones and they were basically left to fend for themselves. I'm surprised they didn't leave sooner, though most of had already pretty abandoned their accounts and was focusing on their in real jobs or just made a whole new account to go indie/went back to their past lives.
@@LukasJampen Lack of funding and management probably, after the merge the ID branch died, those who know what gonna happened already left, the ones are left is dying a slow death. ID branch is abandoned, before it was the better branch out of all Niji branch, now there is no funding, no events, no sponsors, no merch sale or new outfits/models and no managers while Niji still taking a massive cut. Going independent would be no different, actually it would be better
And Selen said Bonbon was busy doing irl job despite their lack of collab, and to connect with Mika's story suddenly it all make sense now, he and the rest ID talents probably busy earn money to pay up that debt trap from niji
Oh my gosh. I know I don't appreciate or support the kurosanji company but there are a handful of talents that still hold my heart. Bonnivier was one of them, I hope he has a good time after graduation !
He seemed like a chill dude with an awesome voice from the clips I saw of him. ID really got shafted by Niji.
I haven't checked his Twitter PL but he apparently already using it, and his termiation date is only a week away at this point so I doubt Niji cares
he's been streaming on his PL for a bit now.
Being a lurker for Hololive stuff, I honestly thought the Subway thing was just a one-time moment that just fizzled for a few weeks.
@@AlexBarbu im [retty sure ina was more associate with her glorious back.
@@AlexBarbushe probably ego surfs a lot on very niche places on the internet
@@b0t123 She’d have to be looking in some extremely niche places, I know that I, at the very least, haven’t seen any mention of subway for months, even on /vt/, before she mentioned it on stream.
I wasn't even aware of the Subway jokes.
For her direct fanbase? Yes. For the wider Hololive fanbase, most likely. But outside of Hololive, chances are if you know only one thing about Kronii, it's the "Blended Subway Sandwich". You may not be able to pick her out of a line up. You probably can just BARELY recognize her voice (if she's not gagging, like in one of the clips). But if you know the name "Kronii", it's almost certainly because of Subway.
And it's the people coming in from outside the direct fanbase, looking for a way "in" with the old fans ("Hey, I know this about Kronii!"), who are continuing to bring up Subway.
You honestly can tell those ppl who think a Collab was 'spoiled' don't have their own life and live by others.
Yeah it's weird. Like is it such a big deal being spoiled that Hololive Advent is in Japan? Like Cover is a Japanese company, of course they were going to show up in Japan eventually...
i mean.. we already had a few shiori nerissa off collabs, and had one with biboo in off collab, so what exactly was it she is spoiling?
Might've been avoidable if Kiara had just ignored the initial comments but meh, it's not hurting anyone. We all knew that's where they are, except for the super new ppl
Yeah. Zero "spoilers". Even if it was, personally I don't see how that spoils the actual entertainment a person gets from the stream (if/when there is one) and the streamers themselves.
That's me tho.
But, in the bug picture it doesn't matter because you'll always find people who get their panties in a bunch for any little thing.
Oh, a Vtuber took a picture _next_ to another streamer, or a streamer of the opposite sex. A Vtuber model uses colors that kind of, maybe, sort of, looks like a certain county flag's colors (by random coincidence) if you squint your eyes. A new Vtuber model reveals too much ...or covers up too much. The new direction a Vtuber is taking their music is "unacceptable". Or even _MENTIONING_ another Vtuber.
...There'll always be a group of people who can't stand another person's individuality, go figure.
@@Roshi_710 And Advent's anniversary is coming up. They're probably working on 3D
kronii thought the meme would die down? bruh she's talking about the fanbase that still throw around Fox = cat memes, and god knows how long ago that is.
maybe i wrong but i think she tried to pull what fauna did when she draw the boundries between her and the fans, however the problem with this is kroni basically the one who bring the subway topic first so she just faced hers own consequences
Doesn't matter if she brings it up or not. People needs to respect boundaries. @@rakadean39
It's pretty stupid for a streamer to rant after a period of silence like, are they expecting the fans to read their mind that she's not happy about it?
Streamers create their own fuse about a topic that they don't enjoy 'till it snap, they rant, and the audience never realized they were mad about it.
Easy solution: Talk about it as soon as you feel uncomfortable with it. Treat your audience like children, tell them to police other people who mention that thing and they will happily follow.
On another topic, Fubuki's Fox = Cat is not a dead meme. Fubuki is one of the streamers who wear their memes like a badge of honor, she make cat videos and cat memes every now and then.
@@cry9438 meanwhile while we talk about this kroni branch+mate bijou need to deal with all the memes and jokes hers community made up (candy feet,salty dandruff and more)
The joke is more than 18 months old. If unfunny people still think that's funny, then it's fine to tell them to stop, and if jerks wanna keep doing it to piss of Kronii, then that's an easy target to put on their back. Kronii isn't one to take shit from people, and if her community doesn't comply to her demands she'll let the faithfull ones murk the black sheeps. She is ruthless
'Two ladies staying together in jp' is an unforgivable spoiler by Kiara. We were all operating under the assumption that they were 7 dudes in an old Bhutanese soviet bunker. Immersion ruined, my disappointment is immeasurable and etc
honestly i was thinking they were hiking ion the himalayas, my day is officially ruined.
I thought they were two sea monsters that have been recently discovered and the government is trying to capture both for science.
The guy going after Ame and hate lolis has promoted real sex with children. If he is friends with Capcom lol they probably might want to cut ties with him.
Jesus, if anyone deserves cancellation, it is him 100%.
Just found out his YT channel. There was a reply of him saying that he emailed cover corp and frankly said that he will not get sued by cover corp. he also said that he is a monster? Well indeed as he would chose to sleep with a 17 year old girl.
Wait aren't those just rumors? The guy who used to play Smash bros? Was there an update that said he promoted sexual activity with minors?
The Smash bros fandom has the highest amount of pedifiles like him. It's one of the main reasons they were dropped from Evo by Sony.
Along with Melee being difficult to set up for staff.
@@Arashi257 most times these people crying the loudest about fictional things being vile are guilty of doing vile real things in the real world.
It's incredibly common to find out they get arrested or offed later one.
there used to be a few twitter accounts I followed because they were really bad and had harassed people from my community so I just wanted to keep a check on them.
Both of them got take out back like ol'yella apparently by people they crossed doing the thing they claimed others were doing in fictional settings.
*Looks at thumbnail*
*Sees "Nijisanji Grad-*
😶
They have a queue. Livers who want to graduate must wait so their graduations can be staggered in one month intervals.
See you in thirty days
@@billcolgate2851 see you in 60-ish days for another
so they going independent or fleeing to vshojo
@@billcolgate2851how many have graduated thus far? I haven't been keeping track after the whole Selen thing
@@billcolgate2851 Even more than that, they've been regularly graduating groups from ID over time for about a year now. Bonbon has basically just been sticking it out to occasionally do apex tournaments or play with Sonny and then go back to his alt.
I recall seeing someone say that Bobon had never streamed for a long while, except when supporting Selen in her endeavors. I guess soon he can go all out in his future endeavors, including assisting in hers.
I'mma be honest, I thought he had already left, as in part of the graduation wave
I didn't know he was still with niji
He must be experience something like what happened to Mika, probably the whole ID branch talent.
Nothing burger.
Nothing burger.
And... Another day in Hyper Hell.
What a contrast.
Nothing sub?
@@tommyliu7020 (it's a nothing smoothie now)
@@tommyliu7020 Nub Sub?
@@michaelhall736 for setting boundaries? For claiming that she's "lashing out" comparing her to a Niji Liver?
@@michaelhall736 well yeah I am going to respect her wishes and not say that in her chat.
please niji dont screw up Bonni's taxes
If they did that to Mika, I fear that they've done my boy Bonnie dirty as well...
@@j1ggl3phy63 *Mika and Mysta
They're gonna, and they'll do it on purpose too.
@@clarehidalgo this is getting out of hand now there's 3 of them.
Me: finds a vid talking about Hololive
Also me: I would not be surprised right now
I've been hearing about all of Advent being in Japan for several days now, well before Kiara's stream. Nerrisa and Shiori did an off-collab Twitter space before Kiara's stream as well so we already knew those two were staying in the same place. During that TS it didn't take much effort to conclude they were streaming from a hotel room. Heck, that chat comment Kiara read on stream even proves at least some fans already knew they were in Japan.
Yeah thing is people wanna randomly attach Kiara to spoiling things even though those same people probably already knew it was going on because they are active followers of the talents. It’s a weird thing to blame a talent for spoilers especially if things like looking at their schedules was a 100% confirmation of it all
Looking at the actual clip, seems like a couple members were being sarcastically facetious about her spoiling when she didnt really know if they were in another country or not. (I certainly didn’t have a clue either, I thought Nerissa went to Shiori’s actual home.) 😅
I had forgotten about the Subway sandwich thing and I’m quite happy to continue to forget.
Same, I’m happy as well
And even if I still remember, I am happy that I never mention it
Honestly, I like to remember, giggle, and not mention it and move on.
ok aint holo fan nor know anything abt the idols
BUT CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THIS SUBWAY JOKE IS SO THAT I BECOME KRONII FAN
@@Stan_Raikantopini411 I’d rather not, you can be a Kronii fan without knowing it
@@leonmystique9372 but like.. what do some ppl mean by the subway joke
what did she do to the subway
I was wondering what the drama was with Kiara and saw she mentioned Japan. Now that I know all I can say is... that's it?
It feels like people just look for any excuse to be mad at Wawa. The only one who gets that worse is Calli.
Yeah random fans attach way too much weight to Kiara’s words like those same fans definitely already knew that the advent girls are in Japan and are using Kiara fumbling over her words a bit to justify their assumption. People have a weird type of confirmation bias towards Kiara that they don’t apply to most other EN girls
they just over trusting in wawa word its become curse for her instead@@niconojuegos
Kiara didn't know anything, she got everything from chat it soundlike so entirely a none event. Regardless the collabing would have made it obvious anyway that they had to be physically close
It's been so long about the subway that i forgot about it
I get Kronii is upset but she could've responded way better. She's acting like a Diva who wants to control the environment of her fandom. Yes point out what makes you upset, but telling people they aren't real fans is a douche move. You're online, have fun with it or respectfully talk about not doing it on the stream.
Sadly for Kronii, when some kind of thing happens to you or you do a thing that is meme able, that stuff's gonna follow you for the rest of your days. while it'll be less and less it will never go away. Honestly the best is to ignore it and not address it, since addressing it will flare it up and it will recycle itself again. This is the way the internet goes once somethings stuck to your persona it will stay that way forever. (luckily her subway thing is quite a mild and nondamaging thing to follow her, so she's gonna be okay)
so true, the best option is you either accep it and make it in to your brand or just plain ignore it so people will die down and never dig it again, if you against it and address it, it will just make it more and more bigger problem instead, honestly i hove kroni can endure it instead addressing it
No, you can address it, just only do it once and then move on. It’s fine to set boundaries for stale memes and jokes (see bottom-left memes for Kiara). The people that actually care about the streamer will listen and adhere to their wishes. The internet can do whatever tf it wants at that point.
@@RobeezyLoudenProud Sometimes people are too sensitive about silly things! I just don't understand, honestly! Public figures should be able to deal with it in a better way.
Everybody’s different. I feel like some people forget that way too easily. That being said, a content creator should know the mental and emotional risks that comes with their job though.
I don't get why the subway memes trigger Kronii so much. It's clearly not a dead meme if that many people still enjoy using it, and it's just about benign as a meme could be. Is there some, like, sexual connotation associated with it that she dislikes? Is she just on the rag?
Have you never done something, and then a year or two later it is embarrassing to look back on?
That is probably happening here. I wouldn't even be that surprised if she privates the original vod in the near future.
@@anewfuture sure, but if I deliberately recorded it for content, I'd be happy my meme stuck around that long
@@anewfuture Maybe she shouldn't have done it in the first place.
I haven't realized it's been over a year since the Subway joke started. Damn I feel old
I think the kronii subway thing is just good comedy, that's why people still check out the clip, good comedy can have a long life, even if the person depicted in it is already tired of it the audience might not be
Nope kronii herself said if you still like the subway stuff in 2024 you're not a real fan
@@saysalla it's an opinion on comedy, not about who the "true" fans are, get a life
@@louiemontinola9688 Don't mind them. They legitimately think that jokes someone doesn't like is "harassment".
@@saysalla if you think jokes about someone is considered harassment or "bullying" or "signs of being an unloyal supporter" youre gonna HATE how comedians are nowadays.
kronii with all due respect doing something that dumb will always haunt you.
Even more now 🤦♂️
Bonnivier Pranaja was one of the many Nijisanji ID vtuber I've watched during COVID. His gaming skill and charisma is amazing. Kinda sad seeing him graduating without having a graduation stream, but I guess it's a given since he hasn't been streaming for a long time too. Dude's probably busy and I wish him success in his future endeavours. Good luck, Mr. Fisherman!
I expected Bobon to graduate. He's been streaming on an alt account recently with some other ID talents. Hopefully he has all the success in the world.
Wow!! Kronii has a certain way of speaking but in this situation she came of really bad. She sounded like a grade A witch. There is better ways to do this. Ina is a great example of how to do it.
facts
Kind of a weird thing to make specific mention of. Not really sure I agree that people are making it her Kronii's "whole" brand. Vtubers do a lot of weird shit that gets stuck in the zeitgeist, for her one of those things is subway blending. She did it as a joke, and it was effective as a joke; and if it's "not a big deal" why single it out specifically and say it makes you uncomfortable? Either it is a big deal and it does, or it's not and it doesn't. Again just a weird thing to have to address.
I had no idea there was a Subway joke going in Kronii's community. I thought it was going to be about the "big bow" joke.
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how did Kiara spoil things when it seemed like she was learning the news from the chat LOL how the fuck did chat know then?
The fans already knew because of Advents schedules and all of them taking breaks/traveling. Pretty much the chat already knew but because Kiara talked a little bit about it they just think she confirmed it. It’s really dumb that people think she spoiled anything
@@niconojuegos Seems like another case of Kiara antis nitpicking.
@@JustinT2 pretty much!
kroni bringing attention to subway sandwich might make it worse. Also where is she ego surfing cause I don't recall anyone mentioning subway thing in a long time
I mean, maybe she shouldn't have blended the subway sandwiches in the first place? Honestly, it's just such a memorably revolting thing to do that it's going to stick with you basically forever, and she should have known that. Kinda like the spider cooking thing, only Hachima ran with that one, but if she didn't encourage it, people would continue to reference what she did, because it was just that outlandish. No one else has eaten a spider on Hololive, and no one else blended subway sandwitches. She did it for the shock value, and now she's stuck with it. Tons of people end up the same way, many times against their wishes, like, let's take a really old one, The Star Wars Kid. He didn't want that video released to the public, but it was, and he got stuck with it.
Yeah, it feels a bit petty to think someone is malicious for beating a dead horse or getting upset over people engaging with content you made yourself. I think it would be better overall to just keep ignoring it instead of making a statement that tries to retroactively claim that "the joke was never funny! didn't you get the memo?". Like yeah I'm not slapping my knee and wheezing when someone calls Fubuki a cat but it's clear that a lot of people just aren't daily watchers and will then resort to the common denominator to communicate somehow. Someone else mentioned that when Irys had her debut there were some attempts to make IRS jokes, but it never caught on at all since she completely stonewalled it. I'm just a filthy clip watcher so I don't really care either way at the end of the day.
It doesn't help that Kronii only has maybe one or two other slightly interesting memes in her community that stand out, so of course people are gonna harp on the one actually interesting thing for so long.
@@XT873 I believe this is due to Kronii being upset the entire stream. With people reacting weirdly with the lack of booba in her new outfit.
Compound this with people sending her supas talking about "forgetting timezones," mentioning the subway saga unprompted, which leads me to believe that this is her indirect way of saying she regrets doing that stream.
What really broke the camel's back though is chat saying in a really sardonic way that she's "pretty sassy today" which if one understands social cues, would only make the person in question even more upset especially coming from strangers such as chat.
Yeah what Kronii did was so unbelievably unique and iconic that it unfortunately got stuck with her
Well obviously Kroni doesnt like people making the joke anymore so two options a) not saying anything and hope it does away b) say something an hope people listen. She tried a it did not work now she tries b....
I think this will take care of about 90% of people making the joke that probably just did not know how she felt about it and also makes it easy to identify the remaining 10% that dont give a shit so that she can not give a shit about them also.
I really don’t think Kronii should have been a vtuber.
She’s so like i don’t know, it’s crazy she got accepted. She doesn’t create good vibes, she’s just there for herself and it’s so selfish.
I completely understand and agree with Kronii.
Leave it to the internet to take something funny and run it into the ground until it not only stops being funny, but becomes downright annoying...
If your going twist someones joke that's meant to be a playful jab into "your defining me as this waah😫" that's some wild mental gymnastics despite the level of fans views and Donks you get and the support your company gives you get thicker skin
@@blinkyy4594 Looks like we found the unintelligent clown who keeps parroting a boring, unfunny joke. Did you get upset after being called out? Get thicker skin.
JDON has overstayed its welcome for me, probably after the first week.
The thing is though without government involvement, the Internet isn't gonna forget your memes, jokes, funny antics. Remember Ugandan Knuckles? It's still alive somewhere
@@BeyondDaXand I'm still enjoy the little guy every now and then
Oh no Niji lost another member?
What a shame, heck we still hadnt forgotten lol.
🎊 oh no... not another member, curse you nijisanji
They destroyed the Id branch a long time ago.
I am not sure if any of them actively stream.
@@secret7246 there's that one girl who still does i forgot the name but she's still there
@@akira8393 hanna machia.
I'm not someone who watches Kronii streams, but given some of the comments down here I suspect one of two things. One, she's overblowing how frequent the joke is coming up. Or two she's not done anything on that level of memorable since then.
Didn’t realise he was into esports (then again I only saw one of his streams and that was he day after day Coco graduated) I guess that’s why he got on well with Selen? I wonder if he would get on with Dokibird too?
hardly
I didn't even know the joke was still a thing
Well, maybe she shouldn't have brought it up in the first place if she didn't want people referencing it.
Kronii doesn't really have the ability to stop people doing what they think is funny.
Yes she does. She will order her mods to ban or time out people.
You forget that Kronii has mods to ban people if they make that subway meme joke
@@jaredvilla4642 How classy. 😎 Didn't you underestimate the size of the internet a little bit? 😉
@@jaredvilla4642 You forgot the size of the internet and the Streisand effect.😊
what else are kroni fans supposed to talk about? her stream is about as eventful as a desert
Her appeal was her voice and her "ribbon." The former eventually stops being a novelty and she does her damndest to hide the latter.
So, indeed, there's nothing.
Had not realized how few hololive clips ive gotten lately. Been overrun by phase connect in my recommended so have lot of catching up to do.
I love watching Kronii but the way she addressed that is so strange. Every vtuber stream is full of npc comments spamming the same memes over and over and she wants to forcibly erase one of them that she made herself? I completely understand "wanting to not make it her identity" and personally disliking it but it's literally bringing her more audience AND 🤑🤑🤑 through clips and npc comments referencing it every now and then doesn't make it her entire identity even if it's cringe as hell to see
Exactly. It's the internet. The internet is going to do its thing regardless of whether Kronii or anybody else likes it or not. I could see if she was facing legitimate issues like harassment (like what Watson is currently experiencing) but she complaining about a meme that, like you said, she created. It goes to show just how out of touch with reality she and a large portion of her fanbase who blindly agree with everything she says really are.
Everyone knows the best way to get someone to stop teasing you about something is to let them know how much it bothers you.
Yeah, It's really uncomfortable to interact with things you don't like,
But she addressed that though. She said that the people who she actually cared about would realise that she didn't like it and stop, and that she didn't care about the ones who'd do it just for the sake of being annoying and just wanted her actual fans to know that she'd like them to stop.
And surely if you actually care about someone you'd stop being an annoying little sh*t to them when they asked you to stop and were clearly genuinely bothered, right? Otherwise you probably didn't care all that much
@@HyattHyatt3179 What did she address? That it bothers her but she doesn't care anyway but enough to actually mentioning it - ban people over it? Sure, you don't care about someone if you don't treat her like a snowflake over a bit of banter, considering she brought that upon herself. Isn't that being a little shit?🤔
I do have to say that I'm sorry Kroni, but that's now how it works. This whole situation reminds me of the whole debacle with Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris hated for the longest time the Chuck Norris jokes and did took some legal action against some sites. It was until the expendables that he finally came down to accept it as part of him. One does not control the meme, the meme is controlled by the fans and addressing it doesn't stop people from using it, but makes it worse.
It's interesting how money changes people's opinion on things. I'm sure kronii wasn't this angry about the dead old stale subway jokes when she made bank by streaming herself blending sandwiches and drinking them. She wasn't this hostile to the other hololive talents who made subway jokes at her either because collabing with them is worth more than some stupid paypig to her.
Dont care if kroni is upset about a dead meme. Addressing it will do nothing. The internet is gonna internet, get a thicker skin.
Doesn't Kronii have a subway sandwich on the desk in her room background? Oh, but don't mention it 🙄
It’s funny that’s what she doesn’t like anymore lol. I guess it really is just because it’s played out.
I do think she could’ve told people to knock it off without getting just a bit dramatic, but like, that’s kronii
I do think the fans do need to let some jokes die after awhile. Just like Towa, the whole angel thing was kinda cute at first and then she’s like “uh sure okay…” when they just keep going.
I’m kind of glad bonbon is released from the shackles! It would be amazing to see them reconnect with doki or mishi! I know those three played games together a few times and always enjoyed him!
Tbh i forgot about the subway meme completely. And I was there when she started it
so being a "kroni" and a "part of the community" is something to strive for? and she uses that as leverage to control their behavior? i dont really care about these perceived boundaries. Shes been gettin an attitude tellin someone in chat that they were a pre pubescent boy and to get out for mentioning "holy booba" about her new outfit. THis is why the jp ones are better or newer streamers that havent gotten an attitude like Nerissa
Exactly. Maybe it's just me, but she sounded more like she was telling her paypigs how they had to act in order to have the privilege to watch her than she did somebody who was just "setting boundaries". Kiara and Calli did it much better.
tbh, I'd forgotten about the whole subway thing
god damn it kronii why did she had to bring subway up? i did forgot about it
one of my fav Niji iD gamers Om Bobon going to grad not realy suprised cus he already showing how he not realy enjoying time after selen gone, but obviously the reason why he's on another job.. so now there's only 5 Remaining Member from Niji Id, Hana, Rai, Layla, Nagisa, Etna.
realy end of era..
Some people just love drama.
Ok, minus 10 points of respect for Kronii. You can't tell people what they see as funny or not. She has the right to tell the audience to knock it off, but not to decide what is funny. Idk, but by making it seem like such a big deal it makes her come off as one of those easily offended Karens that think they are the moral police of the world.
The irony of this comment is palpable.
This child gives likes to "Nobody:" comments.
Kronii: Thinks a joke would die after a few months.
Internet: 'First time?'
Unfortunately for Kronii, her attempt to act funny and grab attention of viewers now is stuck to her image. There's no more "boundaries" about will be said after you share it with thousands of viewers.
@ManWithFace changing opinions is fine. Demanding boundaries after giving so much freedom and talking crap to grab and hold an audience and giving content for fans to develop parasocial relationships is counterintuitive. It's not a matter of being incomprehensible, it's just common sense with "celebrities".
Also, you're one month late on your reply, mate.
@ManWithFace Because at this point, no one cares anymore... I certainly don't.
Actually, now thinking about what Michi said about her past workplace, I think it sort of makes sense why Niji ID graduations have been happening en masse, specifically talking about the debt trap. Michi said she was lucky with it, but perhaps that's why a lot of Niji ID talents have been dropping out of the company, because it wasn't just a 1 person thing, but incompetence over dealing with an entire branch of livers.
jokes are jokes, people will remember the subways thing in a few years, laught and move on. why make it so problematic?
On one hand, I'm happy Bonni is finally free from hell.
On the other hand, I'm still seething with rage remembering how stupid Niji was merging ID to EN and firing ID's manager. So many programs already planned fwent down the drain just becauss someone doesn't want their ego got bruised any further.
Not with EN, with JP
About the Kronii thing, I unsubscribed a very long time ago, but something tells me it's a combination of older clips still having traction and the community still rehashing that old and stale joke (just like a blended Subway) being a sign there isn't much else worth noting going on with her these days.
Usually memes and clips get replaced with newer stuff unless the channel isn't really generating anything new anymore. (But again, I unsubbed a very long time ago, so what do I know.)
Couldn't have said it better myself.
She should strive to bury this dated joke with amazing streams / achievements rather than asking her fans to cool it.
I mean idk why it would even be a "surprise" if they were in Japan. The 3 members of Advent NOT ALREADY IN JAPAN all taking a break at the same time and 2 of them having off-collabs for an entire week?
The fact that they didnt even bother to translate the graduation notice to english 😅
Kronii needs to get over it. She did something stupid,, most people have forgotten about it as well. Just ignore the message or delete it. Doesn't help her attitude has dive bombed.
The joke only dies when the fan base says it dies
As much as I hate it, its true. I'm still seeing the joke of "I liked it when they appeared and said its _ing time" meme format from morbius and it should've died a LONG time ago.
Not 100% true, Kiara told us KFP she did not appreciate the bottom left jokes and it is practically gone from her streams
@@darthjc4 finally someone with a brain and who doesn't go apeshit on me for making a comment
@@gillettedave people still make them though not just on her streams. Same is gonna happen with kronii...the jokes dies when fans are tired of them.
Very shitty fanbase then.
smh. You know, Kronii does make it real hard to like sometimes. maybe she should put herself into situations like that anymore.
Kroni is never gonna live that down.
Heh, well... there are always some new fans, that are watching old videos and then mentioning things from them in chat. This joke maybe dead for Kronii, but for some people it is a fresh experience... sad, that it makes her uncomfortable, but it barelly will stop
Bobon too, huh. Hope the graduation goes alright and he has good fortune on whatever he does next!
"joke"? "brand"? "meme"? Nah bro,that was a thing that happened. Literally just something she did.
I don't make jokes about Subway specifically but I do admit I can't help but make a glib comment about eating moldy bread when Kronii talks about her health issues. Not on stream or where Kronii is likely to see it herself, though, obviously.
i dont think telling people to stop memeing you is going to stop them
Niji graduation.
Anyways, seeing Advert and Tempus HQ Japan is exciting. Maybe they're getting their 3Ds? No freaking idea, but that leaves speculation of them getting 3Ds, but i'm not holding my breath. What I am excited about is the EN boys and girls getting to meet their JP senpais. Fuma meeting Shinri is always a thing that i want to see happen due to how much a fanboy Fuma is of Shinri.
Advent meeting their Senpais is also going to be super cute, especially with Bijou meeting her JP senpais as the JP girls are going to go in full Onee‐Chan or Mom mode with her.
yesss the stars dynamic is so cute. i want to see their interaction on an off collab or smth
Jesus, who made that horrible mouth rig animation for subway girl
I mean, maybe I'm insensitive, and I get that if people are running a joke into the ground kind of thing it's annoying, but I occasionally tease my friends for dumb shit they've said or done years ago. If that gets to a point where it's tormenting you when someone brings it up, holy fuck you need to take a step back and reassess what the hell is going on in your life.
Ocasionally and the fact you are one person are the keys differences in what you describe and what is happening here. I say it as someone that place itselft as the but of jokes in my friend group.
"Spoiling" an off-collab and its location being in Japan? That's a thing? What mental gymnastics have to be done to make that make sense...Are you suddenly unable to enjoy their off-collab stream because you were "spoiled"? Are you sitting there stewing in anger scowling at the off-collab, "Uggh, i hate knowing about this beforehand, my day is ruined". It wasn't even intended to be some big reveal or secret either...I'm having a stroke just trying to make sense of it
Is a meme really dead if people still keep mentioning it?
Honestly I thought Bonnie had already graduated since he last streamed like 6 months ago. Sad to see him go but I wish him all the best for his future.
Annnd now that she's brought it up, it's going to be the *only thing* her chat talks about now.
I believe that is called 'Shooting Yourself in the Foot'
1:16
Also, I can't even *remember* the last time I heard about Kronii or saw a clip that didn't have sandwiches in it in some way, since that flower clip.
The Streisand Effect iirc
NOO BONNIVIER WAS MY FAVORITE NIJI LIVER 😭😭 i knew he was gonna graduate at one point or another but damn
Couldn't even remember the sandwich joke, but frankly Kronii is being a huge salty sourpuss about all this, it strikes me as pretty juvenile (not to mention counterproductive). When you work a very public job, the second you take that job you give away the right to decide what people say or think about you. It simply goes with the territory and she's better off accepting that than trying to sulkily make people stop, it's not as though it's something malicious or damaging to her, it's a silly lame joke that frankly was at best mildly amusing to begin with, but if people want to run with it a year on, that's their right and prerogative.
Yea, minus 10 points of respect for Kronii. You can't tell people what they see as funny or not. She has the right to tell the audience to knock it off, but not to decide what is funny. Idk, but by making it seem like such a big deal it makes her come off as one of those easily offended Karens that think they are the moral police of the world.
I mean, it's also her right to get rid of them because it's her stream/channel. Lol
@@wolvress8064Most definitely she can ban who she wants to ban. However, telling people how to behave never ends up well. Also, what's to stop others from spreading the joke in other places.
What she should have done is make people not want to use it. Something like give slight jabs at the people still making the joke. Not let everyone know it gets under her skin.
Kronii really comes off as an arrogant, petty, manipulative, unlikeable b***h the more I watch and learn about her. I think it's time to stop. Much better and more personable vtubers who are less of a stick in the mud to spend my time on.
I love Bobon, but he had practically no viewers and no support from the company. He was probably only still going because his living situation was so bad and this was supposed to be his biggest chance to do what he loves. Like, even while working for "the biggest vtuber company in the world" he was describing his life like he was working part-time to support his whole family. I really wish this had been the opportunity he was probably expecting, and I hope he finds a path in life that allows him to live comfortably.
Saw Nijisanji and Graduation, my neurons activated
welp... last chance to call him Bonnivier, a name he truly loves
I respect Kroni addressing the subway joke but as a vtuber fan, I cherish every moment that reminds me of a certain vtuber, be it a joke or anything..and those subway moments really had a big impact on me for her..tbh I don't really see her fans using the joke that frequently anymore though I giggle along whenever I see it even until to this day..I guess I should stop doing that now
Yeah, it's them repressing those feelings that can be the cause of them not coming back to streaming for a while. There's nobody to give them a different perspective otherwise. At the end of the day, the subway thing is representation of you as a hololive fan that was here during that time. I think it's okay if you feel that way, it's just that others may not have been as positive about it. Something like that can easily be used as bully material.
Please stop harrassing kroni. She told you to stop talking about the sandwich thing and you're still going on about it.
@@saysalla I'm sorry but you totally misunderstood my words there..also I was never the type who kept going on with the same joke 24/7..I only said that I still find it funny whenever I see ppl talking about it which is rare nowadays, but since she personally addressed for it to be stopped, I will do just that, tq
@@saysalla If she's offended by something she initiated, who knows what other trivial stuff you'd accidentally trip her toes over?
@@saysalla in her chat is another thing. people can talk about what they want anywhere else.
Unfortunately this is the internet... like I'm sure pewdiepie would want nothing more than for people to stop making jokes about him and bridges.
and to be honest people respectfully did stop making jokes about it
Nooooo, Boboooooooon 😭😭😭 Now, Rai’s the only male Niji ID left…
Shiori, Nerissa and Biboo are all together in Japan. They literally streamed together and were talking about being in Japan. It wasn’t a secret they are there. People complaining at Kiwawa are morons.
how much do you wager that they didnt knew either
The clip of Kiara was before Advent revealed that they were in Japan. So when she talked about it, it was still a secret.
(I still don't think it's a big deal, just clarifying)
@@bennydelon i mean when you put it that way, yeah i can see why some would make a big deal about it
i'm surprise that fuwamoco is not there given that is their PL specialty
I never knew about the subway blending, but all i know is the moment i hear a paper wrapper on kronii's stream I'm going to assume it's meatball marinara
So memes and jokes have an expiration date now? If she has such a thin skin about making fun at herself, she should just ban them completely. She would not be the first streamer do ever do that
Really lending more credence to the idea that Kurosanji is getting ready to consolidate all their content creators they actually want to keep into the JP division and shed the other markets entirely. Clearly they're starting to understand that their kind of bullshit doesn't fly too well outside of Japan.
Why is Kronii wearing jean pants as a shirt?
New viewers may be just curious and not think it as a joke, has she even ever consider it?
For what reason would anyone blend a sandwich? Just for fun?
Huh, didnt know the subway joke bugged Kronii that much.
(Just posted this comment on the clip in question, so I'm gonna leave it here too)
I'll be honest, I'm not exactly happy with how kronii approached this. The clip of kiara saying kronii was already fed up with the meme dates back to over a year ago now, so it makes me question why she waited to bring it up now to her general audience?
I can only assume it was because she didn't want to look like a grump about it or be seen as making a big deal over a silly sandwhich joke, which i can understand, but letting this build up over a year to the point you start talking down on some of your viewers in a very condescending tone? I don't think that's the right move. At least in my mind, a phrase like "knock it off" is quite aggressive, so to see it applied to people just overdoing a meme is questionable to me.
This could have been as simple as bringing it up way earlier or just kindly telling peeps she's not down with it anymore. A similar situation happened with kiara, in which she handled it much better by comparison imo. As soon as she let everyone publicly know her thoughts (in a rather polite way) literally every single time afterwards when I saw a "bottom-left" joke it was immediately replied by another community member with "kiara isn't really down with this meme anymore, just an fyi" and now we virtually don't see it anymore.
I also find it very weird people are talking about "cues" and stuff, in which not everyone actually picks up on that as easy as others. If you place a high value on inclusivity then I don't think you should be making this point. Some of the wording by kronii too is also off to me, like bringing up the tarnishment of her brand or stuff like only real supporters would know not to keep using the dead meme. I can't help but feel like some genuine fans of kroniis were really hurt by this.
And look, I hate overdone memes as much as the next guy. It can be cringe, sure, but you don't need to come out and blast it to smitherines (again as we saw from kiara, all it took was a gentle notice, and the fans did the rest). We're all people here at the end of the day and most of us just wanna have fun. Hanlon's razor and the sort.
The only counterpoint I can think of is mayyybe a lot of people were intentionally trying to push her buttons with the meme, but even then TONS of talents regularly lean into the whole "getting annoyed at a running joke but they're not actually annoyed they're just doing it for the sake of a bit" kinda thing, so this behavior shouldn't be unexpected. I don't think it warrants framing dead-meme abusers as malicious or outright immature.
And to be clear, I think kronii has every right to shut down the meme (in fact i'd do the same in her shoes) but the execution of this is where I have a problem. This is far from being an enormous issue to me, but I think this is indicative that kronii should take a step back and have a breather.
I think a lot of this could have been avoided if kronii simply made her stance known (using her words) from the get go. In this regard, I could also mention that this is quite similar to the holostars collab drama that happened, but thats its own can of worms I'll refrain from opening right now.
I understand that kroniis really been going through it lately (having implied she's done being nice all the time now, since that's been burning her constantly) but I really think she needs to sort some personal stuff out here first and rethink how she perceives and engages with her community, because I think the way she delivered her sentiments on this situation were flawed. I'd like to point out I indeed want to give kronii the benefit of the doubt as much as I can, and I don't wanna come off as a hater (or god forbid a unicorn) since I love hololive to death, talents and community alike. So I'll just end this off by saying that If there's something I'm completely missing here, then I apologize in advance. I legit wish kronii and her community the best.
Short notice graduation with no stream? Oh boy, I wonder what the real story there is.