I just want to say thank you Nick, you're my favourite youtuber and has helped me decide on buying 3 quads as well as batteries. Your flying style and how you record with sound/ripping at the same location makes all the difference. I look forward to seeing many more vids :)
❤thanks for this Review! Was 1min before buying an pavo24 v2 frame, but only own gnb 720/850mah 😅 would have been an unpleasant discovery after construction.
So many 2-2.5inch whoops lol. Excited to see if more start shipping with the new HDZero FS2 VTX once it's more established, got to admidt tho, if I was publishing videos online, I'd most likely be flying DJI too. Such a nice picture. Looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for the video! Cheers!
Yes, we will likely now see an influx of the 2.5inch cinewhoops. It seems prop protection based quads are really popular. We see them being iterated so much more than those without prop protection.
@@NickBurnsFPV I wonder if the Avata might have started the popularity? Being Team HDZero here, with our new DJI sized VTX, NO HDZero complaints here from all this new tech coming out ^_^ . Regardless of what video system, it's a size I'm casually looking at down the road. See what inovations come from these.
If you eject a lot of batteries take some conformal coating and paint a few lines on the battery then go out at night with a black light and you’ll find it in no time, work a charm. Don’t ask me how I know.
Nick, great review (as usual). I’m new to the cinewhoops and was wondering how this particular drone would do hovering in tight spaces, like attics, small hallways, closets,etc. and its hovering abilities (and if the hovering featuring could be improved via tune). Thanks again for another great review!
Very unusual question. I am not sure how to answer. FPV drones/quads on my channel aren't really made to hover in space, that is more a camera drone things like the dji phantom and mavic with their GPS and position hold, but that doesn't work well inside. With all that, I think the hovering and being in tight spaces is at least as much pilot skill as anything else with fpv drones. Hyper dialed in tune might help the hovering to some degree, but I suspect it to be a small impact. If the space is so tight that the hover is in the prop wash(within a foot or two of the lower surface) the hover aspect will be even more challenging
Thanks for the prompt reply. I know it was kind of a strange question. Keep up the good work with your channel. I check it every couple of days and admire your knowledge and skills!
Thanks Nick, you are one of the best FPV Guys, I like that you’re always honest with your reviews , Actually I don’t have luck with betafpv .. it was my starter fpv journey 3 years ago, Burned FC’s , Bad remote, burned VTX’s , Jelo’s with 95X , pavo 25 V1, I get rid of all my betafpv collection, but still have my pavo 25 .. jello is there , but Now adays I saw many reviews about betafpv , it seems they’re improved , nice for them .. maybe the day will come and I will give them a chance again , Thank you 🫶
Hey Nick. Hope you and the family are well.have a question thats a bit off topic but hope you can help. Saw your video on the caddx ant vs baby ratel and was blown away by how good the ratel looks. In your opinion has there been another camera since that video was published that has better picture quality than the ratel that we can use on a micro? Thanks again Love the videos.
No for analog the ratel nano is the best or right near the foxeer toothless nano 2. I often only run those cameras on quads that run 2s or larger batteries as there is a weight different compared to the 1.5gram runcam nano 3 or the caddx ant
Not that it really matters, but from a machinist, would you like a super tip for measuring motor post to motor post easier with less "guessing" or "estimation" on where center is? Open calipers to the ID of the first hole, zero the calipers and then open the calipers to the outside edge end of each opposing hole ID and you will have as near exact center to center measurement as you can get using the square edges of the caliper teeth against the round ID hole. In all reality, the square edges of the caliper teeth wont give you exact measurements when trying to measure something round, but i digress. When you zero the calipers on the first hole ID and then go from hole to hole outside ID your original zero is subtracted and you are left with center to center. Again, not that it matters that much for what you are doing but still a cool way to easily measure center to center using calipers. Maybe itll come in handy when designing a frame part or 3d print for someone.
Very important question, If I practice hard enough, can my Pavo20 Pro fly like this? I really want this drone, but I want to grow my skills to earn this upgrade. However, if my Pavo20 can't fly like this, I'd have to make some other considerations
It will fly similarly. Performance is largely based on weight and thrust. With a smaller propeller it will have less ability to generate the same thrust as a larger propeller
I wanted to buy it but at the moment it’s just the version without the goggles, I already have the Cetus pro my question is can i connect the drone with my goggles from the Cetus??
yes, the cetus goggles will work with the analog version of this and any other analog fpv quad. Those goggles will not connect to any of the HD video systems.
Interesting. One think I mis-stated about the flashlight in the video...it can do 4000 lumens, but for only about 20 seconds and then it automatically lowers due to heat. Its impressive but not all that useful for that short of a time. I see the SC32 is on cyber monday sale for only $28.
RTF mostly refers to a kit, ready to fly, this is a BNF or bind and fly, meaning we have to have our own radio, goggles and battery charger...and we must bind and setup to the radio.
I wonder if there's any way to make it more quiet (not because of crash, but maybe in general), props sounding like that on FPV might harass my neighbours. Other than that, great review!
Hi @Nick, I know you're a smaller-quads-person, but since you've reviewed the Pavo25 and CineApe, might you do their bigger brothers as well? Sorry for the out-of-scope request, I just prefer your review style quite a bit :]
I have done a few of the 3inchers and 3.5inchers. I don't have any of those sizes on hand at this time. I don't suspect I will be reviewing them in the short run. Its winter here now, have to pick and choose what I will be flying as the time to fly is very limited.
Fair enough, @@NickBurnsFPV ... still thank you for all the reviews that you do do and I hope you'll get through the winter well, with as much time spent in natural daylight as possible!
If your building with an O3 there isn't enough space for anything other than an 25x25 AIO. If your building an analog version there might be space for 20x20 flight stack, but it would be secured to the small bottom plate rather than the top main cf plate.
Thanks for the great review Nick! Very Much appreciated ! Would you kindly if I could go for Walksnail VTX with my DJI action 2 or just get DJI O3 setup ?
@@NickBurnsFPV Totally agreed with you Nick. May I know if the process of installing the O3 air unit easy , is there similar to Pavo Pico way of installation ? I’m ordering from Betafpv website and correct me if I’m wrong , they only sell the quad with any VTX unit ? Once again thank you Nick for your time in answering to my doubts
@@sgtechiedad Correct they don't sell the drone with an O3, my understanding is DJI won't honor any warranty if the O3 is sold with a non DJI drone. The installation isn't has easy as the pavo pico, as the pico has the O3 on top of the drone and with the pavo25 the O3 is more in the center, so the installation is up through the bottom plate and we have to route the antenna and camera between the top carbon plate and the prop protection. That is my recollection, it could be we also need to drop down the prop protection, but I am not sure at this time.
@@NickBurnsFPV Well I had an XI25 and lost it the other day and was super bummed because it was the most fun drone that I have ever flown out of the 6 that I have owned but the shipping times are really long. I went ahead and reordered another one this morning though. It's worth the wait. Thanks for the reply, I definitely trust your reviews 100%!
@@NickBurnsFPV my Goggle's 3 blacked out and the return to home flew it off into the worst swampy area you could imagine. It's got those type of trees that a drone would fall into and you can't see inside without prying open the tree and it's basically all swampy. I did not realize I could set my Tango to record telemetry and I'm still camping next to it. I guarantee it's within a quarter mile radius of me and yet I'll never find it. I've spent hours and hours flying a DJI style drone searching for it. I'm so bummed!
@@S7E7V7E7N Its not terrible, like most of these we have to drop down either the center bottom plate or the prop protection to mount. Its not over tight or anything like that.
hello. this video covers my rates ua-cam.com/video/llpHcWQx8q8/v-deo.html I use the pids the quad comes with. For review purposes, I bind, set the osd elements to the same locations as I normally have them and set my rates. From time to time I will change the battery warning voltage, but when i do I call it out in the videos.
Nick, you gotta step up your TN game buddy. It's hardly recognisable against this background. I don't say this to be bully, but just because I know how much better your videos would perform, o if you'd be excelling in that part as well. Review's nice and solid as always. Good luck!
@@NickBurnsFPV Well.... that's not going to have an effect. Just use calm backgrounds or poppy ones, the drones and frames are a contrast against. Look at our "Barbie Style" of thumbs. It's absolutely clear when you see one of your TNs that it's a spinfast Video. Use your fav colours and crank up that colour game.
What. No @Spinfast !! One works for different mediums and yours is playing a role in your marketing and style. That doesn’t really work here for the presence on this platform and overall production he already has… also, not every “TN” needs to be a glowing highlight of the 80s retro color scheme with cut n paste said video content image. If he were to do it giveaways would be a differentiating approach but his style is solid and clean thumbnail. Y’all both have different mediums that work for your own channel. Stick to it and keep growing 👌🏽
@@RubiconDONN Well, you might be right in some cases, but a truly distinguishable TN, one that clearly makes people see in the very first 0.3 seconds (average time to catch ppls attention on mobile), that it's a Nick Burns video would surely push video views and overall help to become "seen more". It doesn't have to be neon, it just has to be different and special - while being easy to catch for the eye.
Hey nick would your buddy build me a race rocket? With a blue frame? I know I'm off subject but I ha e been wanting that ripper from day one you flew it 😂I will pay up front if need I'm not a good builder or tuner could you reach out to him and talk to him for me ? I would really appreciate it nick and would definitely throw you something for your time🙏🏽
@@nikotttin right. I'm flying my 3" on 3s with 1404 6000kv - insane power 🙂 And i do have another more lightweight build using 1204 motors, also with a great performance. I'm also pretty sure this one reviewed here is crazy noisy in comparison.
Great Review. I do like your smooth flight, it demonstrates what is possible and how capable this quad is.
The split s over and thought the tree almost looked on purpose. Nice save. I like it I would fly it. Thanks for the ride and the show and tell.
I do like the split the branches but my line was a bit off so I had to "creatively" bail out :)
As always, good info. I started off this hobby thinking I wanted to go big. I'm appreciating things this size class much more.
I just want to say thank you Nick, you're my favourite youtuber and has helped me decide on buying 3 quads as well as batteries. Your flying style and how you record with sound/ripping at the same location makes all the difference. I look forward to seeing many more vids :)
Thank you. Appreciate the kind words.
ANOTHER ONE?! 😅 Impressive flight times on this one, though. 10:20 🤯
❤thanks for this Review! Was 1min before buying an pavo24 v2 frame, but only own gnb 720/850mah 😅 would have been an unpleasant discovery after construction.
So many 2-2.5inch whoops lol. Excited to see if more start shipping with the new HDZero FS2 VTX once it's more established, got to admidt tho, if I was publishing videos online, I'd most likely be flying DJI too. Such a nice picture. Looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for the video! Cheers!
Yes, we will likely now see an influx of the 2.5inch cinewhoops. It seems prop protection based quads are really popular. We see them being iterated so much more than those without prop protection.
@@NickBurnsFPV I wonder if the Avata might have started the popularity? Being Team HDZero here, with our new DJI sized VTX, NO HDZero complaints here from all this new tech coming out ^_^ . Regardless of what video system, it's a size I'm casually looking at down the road. See what inovations come from these.
Right! I miss the toothpicks days. Lightweight and performance were king. It's like we've gone from lightweight sports cars to minivans with a V8.
@@amin0_acid310 Yes, It was a smart move for HDzero to revamp their vtx footprint, opens up the use cases greatly.
@@NickBurnsFPV probably because of all the regulations. Seeying you fly this is Wish the r
Nick's new whoop reviews are getting more freestyle and sketchy. Absolutely worth watching 🔥🔥🔥
If you eject a lot of batteries take some conformal coating and paint a few lines on the battery then go out at night with a black light and you’ll find it in no time, work a charm.
Don’t ask me how I know.
Good tip.
Nick, great review (as usual). I’m new to the cinewhoops and was wondering how this particular drone would do hovering in tight spaces, like attics, small hallways, closets,etc. and its hovering abilities (and if the hovering featuring could be improved via tune). Thanks again for another great review!
Very unusual question. I am not sure how to answer. FPV drones/quads on my channel aren't really made to hover in space, that is more a camera drone things like the dji phantom and mavic with their GPS and position hold, but that doesn't work well inside. With all that, I think the hovering and being in tight spaces is at least as much pilot skill as anything else with fpv drones. Hyper dialed in tune might help the hovering to some degree, but I suspect it to be a small impact. If the space is so tight that the hover is in the prop wash(within a foot or two of the lower surface) the hover aspect will be even more challenging
Thanks for the prompt reply. I know it was kind of a strange question. Keep up the good work with your channel. I check it every couple of days and admire your knowledge and skills!
@@Mini2sUAS Sure, my pleasure.
Thanks Nick, you are one of the best FPV Guys, I like that you’re always honest with your reviews , Actually I don’t have luck with betafpv .. it was my starter fpv journey 3 years ago, Burned FC’s , Bad remote, burned VTX’s , Jelo’s with 95X , pavo 25 V1, I get rid of all my betafpv collection, but still have my pavo 25 .. jello is there , but Now adays I saw many reviews about betafpv , it seems they’re improved , nice for them .. maybe the day will come and I will give them a chance again , Thank you 🫶
Hey Nick.
Hope you and the family are well.have a question thats a bit off topic but hope you can help. Saw your video on the caddx ant vs baby ratel and was blown away by how good the ratel looks. In your opinion has there been another camera since that video was published that has better picture quality than the ratel that we can use on a micro?
Thanks again
Love the videos.
No for analog the ratel nano is the best or right near the foxeer toothless nano 2. I often only run those cameras on quads that run 2s or larger batteries as there is a weight different compared to the 1.5gram runcam nano 3 or the caddx ant
I added some reflector tape to my batteries and quad. Lights up with a light shined at night.
ah that's a good solution
just ordered pavo20 i have an extra 03AU cant wait
Not that it really matters, but from a machinist, would you like a super tip for measuring motor post to motor post easier with less "guessing" or "estimation" on where center is? Open calipers to the ID of the first hole, zero the calipers and then open the calipers to the outside edge end of each opposing hole ID and you will have as near exact center to center measurement as you can get using the square edges of the caliper teeth against the round ID hole. In all reality, the square edges of the caliper teeth wont give you exact measurements when trying to measure something round, but i digress. When you zero the calipers on the first hole ID and then go from hole to hole outside ID your original zero is subtracted and you are left with center to center. Again, not that it matters that much for what you are doing but still a cool way to easily measure center to center using calipers. Maybe itll come in handy when designing a frame part or 3d print for someone.
Fantastic flying and review, Nick! 😃
This one does acro pretty well!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great video and flying. Too bad they didn't get his a bit lighter to get it sub250.
Very important question, If I practice hard enough, can my Pavo20 Pro fly like this? I really want this drone, but I want to grow my skills to earn this upgrade. However, if my Pavo20 can't fly like this, I'd have to make some other considerations
It will fly similarly. Performance is largely based on weight and thrust. With a smaller propeller it will have less ability to generate the same thrust as a larger propeller
This looks like a fun little qwad. what was your flight time with the GoPro?
slow and steady flight with naked gopro was 6:30-7minutes
@@NickBurnsFPVthanks.
Great review! Thank you.
Which frame is better for Cineon C25 vs Beta Pavo V2 25?
I wanted to buy it but at the moment it’s just the version without the goggles, I already have the Cetus pro my question is can i connect the drone with my goggles from the Cetus??
yes, the cetus goggles will work with the analog version of this and any other analog fpv quad. Those goggles will not connect to any of the HD video systems.
Does regular gopros (hero black 10) would for on these or it has to be naked?
It doesn't have to be naked or low weight go pro, but the more weight the lower the flight time and reduced agility.
@@NickBurnsFPV so naked it is haha. Thanks
I'm loving the pavo pico and think I'll love the 25 as well
is it default tune?love the freestyle mode
Yes as shipped from the manufacturer
Check out the SC32 Flashlight
Interesting. One think I mis-stated about the flashlight in the video...it can do 4000 lumens, but for only about 20 seconds and then it automatically lowers due to heat. Its impressive but not all that useful for that short of a time. I see the SC32 is on cyber monday sale for only $28.
@NickBurnsFPV most flashlights 21700 batter will...
is this one like a RTF drone???
RTF mostly refers to a kit, ready to fly, this is a BNF or bind and fly, meaning we have to have our own radio, goggles and battery charger...and we must bind and setup to the radio.
so this drone already comes fully assembled ?? or some parts need to be soldered since im interested @@NickBurnsFPV
@@videocrudo5954 yes they come fully assembled. We do have to put the props on but thats it.
@@NickBurnsFPV THANK U♥️
I wonder if there's any way to make it more quiet (not because of crash, but maybe in general), props sounding like that on FPV might harass my neighbours. Other than that, great review!
Just wondering what you're favorite analog camera is at the moment for your TKS Rocket Race quads?
I tend to use with the baby ratel 2 or the caddx ant.
Hi @Nick, I know you're a smaller-quads-person, but since you've reviewed the Pavo25 and CineApe, might you do their bigger brothers as well? Sorry for the out-of-scope request, I just prefer your review style quite a bit :]
I have done a few of the 3inchers and 3.5inchers. I don't have any of those sizes on hand at this time. I don't suspect I will be reviewing them in the short run. Its winter here now, have to pick and choose what I will be flying as the time to fly is very limited.
Fair enough, @@NickBurnsFPV ... still thank you for all the reviews that you do do and I hope you'll get through the winter well, with as much time spent in natural daylight as possible!
Hey Nick, could you share your rates for such smooth flying around house ? For Pavo Pico ? Thanks! Awesome flying skills :)
I use the same rate setup for all quads of all sizes. ua-cam.com/video/llpHcWQx8q8/v-deo.html
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks!
Great review, NIck! Do you know if this will accommodate a 20x20 or 30x30 FC at all? Want to build my own...
If your building with an O3 there isn't enough space for anything other than an 25x25 AIO. If your building an analog version there might be space for 20x20 flight stack, but it would be secured to the small bottom plate rather than the top main cf plate.
This is SUUUUUPER helpful, @@NickBurnsFPV !!!! Thank you for your reply. I was kind of thinking along the same lines, so you confirmed it for me!
Does it have a specific tune in betaflight we can add? :D
my v1 acts weird feels like horizon in acro
betafpv lists the cli dumps for its quads here support.betafpv.com/hc/en-us/categories/900000230226-CLI-of-Quadcopters
Thanks for the great review Nick! Very Much appreciated ! Would you kindly if I could go for Walksnail VTX with my DJI action 2 or just get DJI O3 setup ?
your asking if walksnail vtx/camera with a dji action2 is as good or better than the DJI O3 alone?
@@NickBurnsFPV yes Sir
@@sgtechiedad that is super subjective. I am not a big fan of the fish eye of the dji action. I prefer the image of the DJI O3.
@@NickBurnsFPV Totally agreed with you Nick. May I know if the process of installing the O3 air unit easy , is there similar to Pavo Pico way of installation ? I’m ordering from Betafpv website and correct me if I’m wrong , they only sell the quad with any VTX unit ? Once again thank you Nick for your time in answering to my doubts
@@sgtechiedad Correct they don't sell the drone with an O3, my understanding is DJI won't honor any warranty if the O3 is sold with a non DJI drone. The installation isn't has easy as the pavo pico, as the pico has the O3 on top of the drone and with the pavo25 the O3 is more in the center, so the installation is up through the bottom plate and we have to route the antenna and camera between the top carbon plate and the prop protection. That is my recollection, it could be we also need to drop down the prop protection, but I am not sure at this time.
What are your dvr settings on the air unit?
default settings
Well it rips!
Is the OddityRC XI25 still your favorite 2.5"?
Yes for cinewhooping. Oddityrc specializes in them and they do a great job. But they run on the more expensive side
@@NickBurnsFPV Well I had an XI25 and lost it the other day and was super bummed because it was the most fun drone that I have ever flown out of the 6 that I have owned but the shipping times are really long.
I went ahead and reordered another one this morning though. It's worth the wait. Thanks for the reply, I definitely trust your reviews 100%!
@@Steezicus When you say it was lost, does that mean it flew away or we crashed somewhere and couldn't find it?
@@NickBurnsFPV my Goggle's 3 blacked out and the return to home flew it off into the worst swampy area you could imagine. It's got those type of trees that a drone would fall into and you can't see inside without prying open the tree and it's basically all swampy. I did not realize I could set my Tango to record telemetry and I'm still camping next to it. I guarantee it's within a quarter mile radius of me and yet I'll never find it. I've spent hours and hours flying a DJI style drone searching for it. I'm so bummed!
@@Steezicus oh shoot. I can imagine what your talking about. Rough situation for sure.
thoughts on this compared to cinelog 25 v2?
I prefer this. I think it flies better and will be more durable
This vs geprc cinelog 25v2 ????
I think this prop protection will last far longer, the flight characteristics are very very similar
Would you pick this over the Cinebot30?
For me and my purposes yes. The cinebot30 while only .5inch in prop size bigger it is substantially bigger and flies even bigger.
@@NickBurnsFPV got it! How was was it to install a DJI 03au?
@@S7E7V7E7N Its not terrible, like most of these we have to drop down either the center bottom plate or the prop protection to mount. Its not over tight or anything like that.
Hi Nick, nice video, i have ordered the Pavo :), please can you share your betaflight settings ? (rates, pids etc.) .. thankyou :)
hello. this video covers my rates ua-cam.com/video/llpHcWQx8q8/v-deo.html I use the pids the quad comes with. For review purposes, I bind, set the osd elements to the same locations as I normally have them and set my rates. From time to time I will change the battery warning voltage, but when i do I call it out in the videos.
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Nick, you gotta step up your TN game buddy. It's hardly recognisable against this background. I don't say this to be bully, but just because I know how much better your videos would perform, o
if you'd be excelling in that part as well. Review's nice and solid as always. Good luck!
I don't think I have much of an eye for thumbnails. Maybe zoom it in more?
@@NickBurnsFPV Well.... that's not going to have an effect. Just use calm backgrounds or poppy ones, the drones and frames are a contrast against. Look at our "Barbie Style" of thumbs. It's absolutely clear when you see one of your TNs that it's a spinfast Video. Use your fav colours and crank up that colour game.
What. No @Spinfast !! One works for different mediums and yours is playing a role in your marketing and style. That doesn’t really work here for the presence on this platform and overall production he already has… also, not every “TN” needs to be a glowing highlight of the 80s retro color scheme with cut n paste said video content image. If he were to do it giveaways would be a differentiating approach but his style is solid and clean thumbnail. Y’all both have different mediums that work for your own channel. Stick to it and keep growing 👌🏽
@@Spinfast I will have to think on it some, I don't really have any true ideas on the thumbnail game
@@RubiconDONN Well, you might be right in some cases, but a truly distinguishable TN, one that clearly makes people see in the very first 0.3 seconds (average time to catch ppls attention on mobile), that it's a Nick Burns video would surely push video views and overall help to become "seen more". It doesn't have to be neon, it just has to be different and special - while being easy to catch for the eye.
What battery is this???
are you pulling my leg? I show the batteries starting at 3:11.
@@NickBurnsFPV sorry missed that. My kids must have distracted me. Lol. Sorry and thanks for the call out
Hey nick would your buddy build me a race rocket? With a blue frame? I know I'm off subject but I ha e been wanting that ripper from day one you flew it 😂I will pay up front if need I'm not a good builder or tuner could you reach out to him and talk to him for me ? I would really appreciate it nick and would definitely throw you something for your time🙏🏽
Do you mean Adam? I don't think he builds anymore. :(
1505 motors on a 2.5" - thats kinda crazy ^^
I was thinking the same. If one only goes with O3, then some 1404 or even 1303.5 should do…
@@nikotttin right. I'm flying my 3" on 3s with 1404 6000kv - insane power 🙂 And i do have another more lightweight build using 1204 motors, also with a great performance.
I'm also pretty sure this one reviewed here is crazy noisy in comparison.
Do you think the 1404 would be sufficient with a go-pro payload? I use the same on a much lighter vista 3.5” freestyle and it’s goooooood :)
Just a bit lighter than 2004 lol
ua-cam.com/video/LBEgOgwv4x0/v-deo.htmlsi=-8Me_dDeZ4xH6dPr
@@nikotttin With a naked GoPro for sure! A full-sized I guess so as well, but not for freestyle probably 🙂
Even heavier than taycan25
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