George R.R. Martin Is Based As F*ck
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
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"I'm good." Truly some legendary writing
Jesus I've never cringed so much
"from my point of view the jedi are evil". Thanks anakin for spelling this out for us dumb people. We couldn't have figured this out by now in the 3rd movie of the prequal.
true. I need to recover from this awfulness.
the actor didn't seem to protest against it smh
@@kingmickey666 To be fair that line was pretty in-character for Anakin
"I can do it better!"
Okay.... make your own shit then.... from scratch!
He's been doing that
authenticity matters
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own"..
Oh wait you meant the people that ruin the stories not George
@@yourdad5799 op talking about the writers that ruin things, like netflix, not people like george r r or tolkian
IDK... Rings of Power gave us the decades best on liners
" A dog can bark at the moon...
BUT IT CAN NOT BRING IT DOWN ! "
" The Sea is always right !
(altogether now)
The Sea is always right !"
" You have not seen what i have seen."
..I have.
No.. You have not seen what I have seen"
I broke down in tears and was hospitalized after hearing those pearls of wisdom.
Holy shit that is 12 year old level of writing proficiency
@@hago3779 yup, diversity hires. these people couldn't pass english comp 101
I want to see how physicists would respond to this quote: “Do you know why a ship floats, and a stone cannot?” asks Finrod. “Because the stone sees only downward. The darkness of the water is vast, and irresistible. The ship sees the darkness as well, striving moment by moment to master her, and pull her under. But the ship has a secret. For unlike the stone, her gaze is not downward, but up, fixed upon the light that guides her, whispering of grander things than darkness ever knew.” This pseudo philosophy is pure comedy.🤣🤣🤣
@@mariusmitre492 Stone can float, on something like honey. A ship doesn't float, on something like the air. 🤷♂
@@mariusmitre492 Also, what do they mean with stone? Where did they come up with the darkness in water being irresistable, makes no sense. The ship tries to pull the darkness under? Whispering of grander things.. what things? Just things, you know, you make up the dialogue, not us the screenwriters. You can write a whole book one why even just this extract is complete nonse.
Writers and directors adhere to original story and care about it: millions flood in
Writers and directors throw the source material out the window: instantly flops
You'd think they would notice a trend
It's not about making money. It's about pushing "the message". Why do you think corporations hire writers who's critiques on society are capitalism = bad. Socialism = good. Heck, the Disney corporation put a "we should adopt socialism like these ants" in the latest Ant-man movie. They know it won't make as much money. They don't care. They aren't playing the same game.
@@grandarchon6969nah, they're just cynical. Disney just wanted to rake in more $$$. Unless that actually was a thing in the original comics, in which case I stand corrected.
@@XGD5layer This has nothing to do with the original comics. They've always had social messaging, although a little more subtle in the past. If you watch any of the Rip and the Silverback podcasts, they make fun of the modern stuff for it's sheer absurdity and stupidity.
They are so motivated (or blinded) by their dedication to "the message" they either believe catering to a small % of the population will make more money, or they're so narcissistic and unware, they think everyone agrees with them. After a dozen or so failures, you'd think they realize maybe "the message" isn't as popular as they'd have you believe.
@@grandarchon6969Nah, capitalism being bad and socialism being good is pretty popular and widely accepted today outside of the political class that directly benefits from exploiting millions of people like any ‘good’ capitalist would. If the movies aren’t doing well they are probably just not great movies or people just aren’t interested to begin with.
@@grandarchon6969bro you really know nothing about socialism if you think what Disney does represents or even asimilates to what socialism is. I mean they have talked about the people seizing the means of production? You are talking about the shitty morals of moder liberalism
"You wanna watch theRings of Power tonight?"
"Nah, iM gOoD"
Underrated comment omg 😂
Genuine question here: did you or others who hate ROP rate Jackson's LOTR or the recent Dune film? Because there are some very significant changes to the books in both. It seems that people actually don't mind or even encourage changes to books in lots of situations if an internet hate mob doesn't develop round something.
@@darthvader822 no one said anything has to be a straight copy of the book, but the story should stay true to the source material. Peter jackson even once stated, they took great care not to let personal agendas influence the movies. Sure some things like the army of the dead being were they shouldn't was questionable, but within bounds.
If you can't see the difference between lotr and rop you genuinely can't think, have no taste and your opinion doesn't matter.
@@darthvader822 you actually think you're making a point with this drivel? you really can't do better LOL
man i spit out my coffee :D
couldn't watch the first episode til the end without puking :D
Screen writers really thinking they're better writers than the guy who audited the dictionary.
I'm sure it comes from the comments. If your getting 1000s of comments saying how brave and stunning you are, I think your brain assumes that transcribes to the entire world. A million subs is so tiny compared to the entire planet.
So they live in this bubble and collect feedback of people in bubble.
Strange times.
LMFAOOO
i really don't know, who is it ?
@@ocelotRev I *think* its Tolkein? He popularised/brought back the plural of multiple Dwarf as Dwarves.
They're the kinds of people who think of themselves as giants standing on the shoulders of dwarves.
Yet they didn't come up with either of those.
Or anything else that's original.
I will say that Peter Jackson managed to nail it when he did it with the Lord of the Rings. He changed a lot from the books, even removed major characters like Tom Bombadil and Glorfindel, but did it gracefully and made it serve the medium.
It CAN be done right, it just rarely is.
Because he did it to adapt the book to the screen, not to change the whole narrative.
He did some changes that were absoutely uncalled for, like Aragorn falling while battling the wolf riders, elves at Helm's deep who just die right away, wrongly assigned dialogue lines (e.g. Eomer saying Gandalf's lines), Gandalf's staff broken, Faramir taking Frodo (perhaps the worst of takes ever), etc. but in the end it still was the same story and it was crafted with love for the original story. It wasn't a cheap ripoff of a large built-in audience.
Unfortuantely, Peter Jackson also made the Hobbit trilogy...a flaming dumpster fire that wrecked the lore from the book.
@@Intranetusa He had to take over Guillermo del Toro’s project and had to work with what was given to him, it wasn’t his project to begin with. If you look at the BTS, he’s visibly frustrated and annoyed 80% of the time
@@sujan-s Nobody forced Peter Jackson to take over GdT's project, and Jackson was still ultimately responsible for making 3 movies instead of 1 or 2.
Ruined Ender's Game, ruined The Witcher, ruined Wheel of Time. That was pretty much my childhood right there.
Also Percy Jackson and Avatar: The Last Airbender
I guess I'm glad that I never watched the Ender's game adaptation. I loved the book even though I couldn't bring myself to read the following books after.
@@DarkAoiishi The direct "sequels" weren't very good and had almost nothing to do with Ender's Game. But the Shadow series of books, which were basically Ender's Game but told from other perspectives, were pretty good. I especially enjoyed Shadow of the Hegemon which is about Peter, and Shadow of a Giant which is about Bean.
@@DarkAoiishi I had seen The Amazing Atheist review, or rather ripping apart of it. So I didn't watch it for years, then found it on a hard-drive I found, so I watched it just as I had some curiosity how they would handle the 0-g battles. And it was mostly focused on the drama, not the interesting possibilities of fights in 3D space.
I'd not even just watch an extract of just those scenes, lol. Complete garbage.
for me the awful episode (WOT) was s2e8 it was all chaotic no grace in the fighting scene its like taking a round about without traffic rulez i almost didnt finish watching.
""We are Evil!"
"I'm Good!"
They proceed to fighting."
Peak modern writing right here, worth of replacing what Tolkien did.
More like here's some rational takes presented as evil, fighting against some unhinged selfish Mary Sue presented as good.
lets not forget the boat dialogue. Top notch writing.
Finrod : [with her friends, Galadriel plays with a paper ship] It was a good ship, sister.
Young Galadriel : I made it just as you taught me.
Finrod : Do you know why a ship floats and a stone cannot? Because the stone sees only downward. The darkness of the water is vast and irresistible. The ship feels the darkness, as well, striving moment by moment to master her and pull her under. But the ship has a secret. For, unlike the stone, her gaze is not downward but up. Fixed upon the light that guides her, whispering of grander things than darkness ever knew.
Young Galadriel : But sometimes the lights shine just as brightly reflected in the water as they do in the sky. It's hard to say which way is up and which way is down. How am I to know which lights to follow?
[he whispers in her ear]
Young Galadriel : But that seems so simple.
Finrod : The most important truths often are. But you must learn to discern them for yourself. I won't always be here to speak them to you.
"I am all the evil"
"And I am all the good!"🤯
Sauron: "Am I the good guy, are you the good guy, what's going on here? Maybe the world isn't as black and white as you think it is. Also, I look like a woman's bedroom fantasy."
Everyone: "Seriously?"
@@Sig509 *Isaac Newton intimidatingly standing over Finrod with electricity coming out of his eyes
It's insane that they don't understand that there's a reason why the book they're adapting into a movie is getting the chance of being adapted in the first place.
I mean sometimes there are changes that have to be made in order for the story to be flowing, how sometimes these people will go too far and to the point that the underlying narrative is unrecognizable. Not to mention the story they are taking from the book would be a mess.
@@kaijukingdom2686 Nobody's criticizing adaptations changing things period, bud. At least, not the people in their right mind. The creators of this stuff in Hollywood are so blatantly out of touch (more than ever before) with not only their customers but reality itself, that they can't fathom why people don't resonate with their bastardizations of pre-existing IPs that were fine as-is before they came and corrupted something good.
Because some higher up decided to do so and convinced sponsors to give him money?
Well you also need to consider the investors' idiots they hired the ape who thinks they cant do better. Personally I think someone who thinks like that shouldn't even get a chance.
We can all agree that some changes are ok. Sometimes you have to show thing in a different way or make few changes for not having 5+ hours movies… but that is “adaption”. “Changing” stuff for no reason just because this or that bs is well… bs?
Remember that one interview with Peter Jackson? The one where he goes "Tolkien was really specific about _his_ values and _his_ message, so we thought it was only right to let that shine through as much as possible. You know.. the banal beauty of the countryside. The corruption of man. The need for good people to stand against evil. The fact that even the simplest and humblest of people can make the world a better place."
Something like that, I'm probably paraphrasing heavily. Anyhow, this was in 2001. I think that was the _last time_ anyone in Hollywood had such a thought.
Even then, though, Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh were voicing their desire to punch it up or shape it in ways that comported with their preferences. Happily however this was kept to a manageable minimum and their “contributions” were relatively easy to edit out or deflect.
Yeah, PJ showed amazing respect for the source material, even when there were things he doesn't agreed.
It's totally okay to have SOME changes for the sake of adaptation only. It's impossible for a movie to show everything on a book, many things will be kept off.
But it's really offensive (not to the fans, but to the author) to changes thing because you think you can "make it better". Something we sadly see a lot today.
"I'm good" top tier writing there...
can you tell my why its bad?
Ikr? I mean who the heck looked at this script and thought "sound's good, let's go with it"?
@@imdunes because it doesnt respond to anyone.
@@mintrisanato Its a direct response to the mystics and a realization within himself. What do you mean?
To be fair, the only good thing about RoP is that mysterious Istar.
In other words, those "screenwriters" are just making fanfiction and telling everybody their headcanon is official. Some of them even do self-inserts.
Even their self inserts use self-inserts.
All they do is self inserts
That's a stretch to be called "fanfiction" more like a hate fiction, because some of them did not read the books
Self inserts are peak narcissism
most fan fictions are self insert
Artemis Fowl: villain protagonist
Disney: "Too risky, let's play it safe!"
I would love to see this as a series but damn they would never
Fr I’d love to see them hard reboot that dumpster fire
I loved reading those books as a kid, even if I don't think I understood everything in hindsight. Could someone spell out for me exactly how bad the adaptation was, since I never saw it?
I was so angry about Artemis Fowl...
@@ClockworkBees From what I heard (did see the "movie", just watxhed a review of it) it made the Butler and his little sister black, the butler is no longer jacked, the raid takes place in broad daylight, Artemis is not a menace to society and the underground for kidnapping his dad, his mom (in the movie) is dead and not a depressed alcoholic, and everything and everyones actions is boarderline nonsensical.
George R.R martin finishing his last book like Chris Roberts trying to finish Star Citizen.
Star Citizen has actually been finished for a while… it’s a new type of game called “free to pay”.
@@Some1Any1No1 lol
Amazon: Would you like to watch Rings of Power?
Me: 2:13
Underrated
Or in George’s case, the film is the film, and the book might one day be the book.
It's only been 13 years since the last book, don't worry the next one is coming soon. Then the last book in the series after that...... yeah better get Brandon Sanderson on the phone ready to finish another series for someone.
@@slipknotpurity00Lel that is exactly what I was thinking the other day, Brandon will probably be the one that finishes GoT
@@slipknotpurity00 game of thrones ruined a song of ice and fire. I tell you, the Show was probably pretty close to what the book ending was supposed to be, but since the delivery was utter dogshit, george is afraid that it will affect the books negativly - wich would probably correct.
Just a theory of mine, but i would actually bet on it.
Otherwise the only explanation i can think of, as to why he takes so long for the last book would be laziness i suppose ?
I mean, he told the Producers of Game of Thrones the ending - so he already had it laid out. He just needed to write it down, but somehow it takes him more then 12 years at this point ?
Nah, it definitly has to do with the series.
Maybe when a House of Dragons didnt fuck up its ending and was good from start to end, we can hope for the last book.
If Martin lives that long.
But me personally, i gotta say it took him so long - i lost all interrest in the whole franchise. Tried to watch a House of Dragons and will it was better then the last seasons of GoT, it wasnt good enough for me to reignate the interesst to a level that comes close to when the first season of GoT aired.
@@slipknotpurity00 Hey, don't get snarky about Robert Jordan, only reason he didn't finish the series is because he literally died.
@@TheBlackfall234 There's a reason that each book in the series has taken longer than the last, and that's because with each book the world becomes more complex.
Then add on top of that that he wants it to end a certain way, he has the monumental task of working out how all the pieces in the gigantic world he has created can move in a believable and entertaining way so that it finishes the way that he wants it to.
Honestly he might just not be able to do it.
On the flipside, when Netflix approached Oda Eiichiro for the rights to make a live action adaptation of One Piece, they asked him if they could buy the rights to the show and he said flat out "No, you may not. But you can borrow my IP if you promise that you will make absolutely zero changes to the characters and the narrative."
Well obviously they did make changes, but he had to approve them. There is no way you can not change things considering One piece is well over 1000 episodes.
@squiggs1002 not to mention with the IP being borrowed you never know if the thing would even get a season 2 so I understand why some changes were done though the overall narrative didn't change much
@@squiggs1002 "episodes"
You do realize the anime is already an adaptation of his work, right? The man makes comics.
@@seigeengine Yeah but there are 1000+ chapters as well.
So Grr Martin (pun intended for the grumbling old man) had to be better and not sign away his rights. He actually isn’t based but a whiney b*tch about failing to protect his works (he sold it for money, don’t let the bs fool you).
“I drove my car into a tree, obviously the trees fault” - Grrrrrr Martin
George learned the hard way with the last couple seasons of og GoT.
And hotd
One thing that is worth mentioning is that Rings of Power being that terrible is not entirely the writers fault, it’s Amazon’s corporate greed. They didn’t have the rights to adapt directly from the Silmarilion or any of the Tolkien books, but decided to do the show anyway, condemning it to be nothing more than a fan fiction.
The writers still wrote a gratuitously cringey script, with all Amazon's corporate stipulations, I don't think they demanded that it be THAT bad. Amazon does get the blame for hiring the empty headed talentless egotists to begin with.
@@CamoflaugeDinosaue yeah of course. It’s both the writers and Amazon’s. Amazon doomed it to be a fan fic, but the writers made it into a 14yo girl fan fic.
Sauron: "I'm bad!"
Sauron basically does say this… repeatedly and get ignored by the “Good person”.
Sauron: "Got this necklace off a dead guy."
Galadriel: ...(I can fix him.)
Love story.
Sauron: "WHO'S BAD?"
And that's when Sauron breaks out the michael jackson dance moves.
I'm bad mmmkay
He's completely right. I'm tired of these talentless people changing things for "Modern audiences" only for it to flop majority of the time. There was a time where people who were actually talented were the one's making changes now it's being left to producers and screen writers that either have no successes under their belt or it'll actually be their first time doing it as they destroy major franchises. Usually people would use Lord of The Rings as example of something that's received big changes but for the better but times have changed and we can't trust these people to pull off something like that anymore.
It's actually just cynical career advancement, they want the writing credit, they have to make a certain number of changes to get that credit, that's all it is.
Wow. Your English is terrible.
Makes me think about some (very small number) of twitter artists that takes a character, a design or a drawing, makes the character ugly, phat or whatnot, deliver a worse quality product and say they "fixed it"
But in the writer's case, they have the notoriety to do harm
Nothing wrong with changing things if it works
@@megaham1552 except it never works. it only gets worse
I don't think you have to follow a book 1:1 to adapt it but the problem is when these writers and producers decide to change things for the sake of "being different". There are certainly things that might be necessary to change but often those are not the things they are looking for when deciding to make changes.
It's good that an author is speaking out, especially one with some pull in the entertainment industry like, George R.R. Martin.
You know what’s crazy to me is in this era of movies tv shows etc etc if a screen writer/show runner actually stayed true to the source material (as close as can be done without changing things) you know us the viewers would lift them up like they are lisan al gaib.
Funny that you referenced Dune, I thought the film was better than the source material. Maybe Dune is the 1% that he was talking about
@@urbanracer01 small changes are acceptable.
I dont agree with how they changed Chani from someone who understood what Paul was doing into angry girlboss number 9000.
"true to the source material" isn't really feasible or good for a movie/show. What matters is proper respect and reverence to the source material. Trying your best to make the vision of the author and their fans visible on screen. That's what happened with the original LotR movie trilogy. Despite deviating in various ways (which at the time was also critiqued by book readers, but they couldn't have foreseen the current film era), the essence has been preserved and the team was incredibly passionate and on a mission to make the best thing possible at the time.
You don't ever see the same amount of passion and resourcefullness on any movie currently.
@@mrfun177 ya chani was a likeable character even in the 80's movie, now i fucking hate her thanks to dune 2
@@mrfun177 Yeah, they ruined the entire thing by ruining Chani. Zendaya didn't help it either. Best Chani is Sci-Fi show Chani.
"I'm good" You know what, I don't need the context on that. It's hot dog water.
Hot? I doubt these writers even know how to boil water.
By that you mean fresh canine urine, not the brine from tinned or jarred meat tubes.
is it dog water of a high temperature or is it hotdog water
Mountain Dew or Crab Juice?
Even if it were written well, the delivery makes it sound like he's passing on a combo meal.
"The sea is always right."
-From Rings of Power
There has to be some adaptation to convert from one medium to another. The constraints of time and production cost are more often the culprit behind these changes than a screenwriters ego. They have a job to parse this down with a cost based lens.
That being said. If you cant cover the costs of remaining true to the underlying thematics, key plot points and general scope of the source material then you shouldn't be doing it.
None of this is relevant to how the machinations of production works though. The accountability to the original is increasingly diffuse the higher up the chain you go. The investment is a care/profit duality where the more you care the less you profit and the more you care for profit the more you profit.
Even people who did not read the books can see exactly where the source material ended and the TV writers took over on GoT. It became full of plot armor and only a "Class A character can kill another class A character". Martin knew exactly what could be cut from the story not to impact the overall show... the TV writers simply did not.
What really changed in the deaths of characters before and after they took over is that ASOIAF deaths happen when it seems that the characters still have MUCH to do, and their death puts the story in a completely new direction. GOT post-takeover deaths are made only to slim down the cast. D&D killed characters they didn't know how to handle, so their death doesn't change anything in the genreal direction of the story.
Danny kinda forgot about the iron fleet.
@@neutronalchemist3241bro they even killed barristan selmy because they didn’t like the actor
The show was going to shit as early as season 3. The missing characters and plot points, the change of personality of certain characters was leading the show to failure. The show writers didn’t know how to handle ASOIAF so they cut so many corners to try to advance the story.
@@Sig509 Euron sure learned how to use instant transmission to teleport himself all over the 7 kingdoms
Looks like George finally realized the answer to his own question about why fanbases celebrate the demise of a horrendous adaptation.
As if, he is too fat to hold up a mirror to his own face and arguments.
Took him a while.
Did he acknowledge he was wrong before or is he acting like he always think this
@@om58499 Most probably not, I would guess.
@@om58499 He's acting. I remember GOT season 8.
Holy shit, the "I'm good" part at the end, icing on the proverbial cake XD
You completely undermined your point (well, George’s point) with that last clip.
“I’m Good”
Such powerful writing!
He is actually so right that I believe twitter wont acknowledge it and they'll cancel him or something
He is but for the last years he was on their side attacking people who complain about it.
@@keyos4398 wrong :)
the irony is, the tv show was better than his books. his writing is kind of boring and wordy
@@angelromero5784 What the hell? Now maybe it’s because it’s changing, but as a writer you’d go crazy if you didn’t change it somehow,” he said. “You want to tell new stories, not tell the same stories over and over again.” quote form his interview with joe price from complex .
This was after he complained about the fans who werent happy with star wars star trek and rings of power.
@@denkanatoryeah no, after season 4 GOT was trash
''Ronald'' Dahl, Im lovin it.
Ronaldo.
Fucker never read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? The BFG? Danny Champion of the World? James and the Giant Peach?
Well. his name does sound like a typo, like they meant to call him Ronald but accidentally misspelled it.
@@lukajagodanovic9274 yeah, only that it's not. And if you are not completely illiterate, you might have heard of Roald Dahl before.
He explained once that the pronunciation of his name sounds like "Ruald" since it's from norwegian origin; still a far cry from "Ronald"!
00:34 when he says Ronald Dahl I was waiting for chat to go nuts. then someone says "Ronaldo SIUUUU" lmao
Villeneuve’s Dune and HOD are some of the only recent film/TV properties where noticeable changes make sense and don’t detract from the overall story.
Here's their secret: they don't read the source material - they can't even be bothered to read comic books let alone full length books.
The fact they'd even admit this is baffling. It's a level of contemptuous incompetence that almost feels unreal in it's potency.
It's honestly baffling why so many studios hire writers that don't care about the source material they will work on, let alone be in charge of the project.
@@ablackbunny3149 a degree of nepotism. It's about knowing the right people, and most of their subhuman kind all went to the same liberal art classes.
@@denkerbosu3551 The world makes a lot more sense when you come to learn that most jobs are filled with nepotism.
They like the cultural *aesthetic.* The original themes, meaning, and intention of works are antithetical to their own egoist "interpretation".
Imagine walking up to a Monet, Picasso, Rembrandt, etc in a museum, whipping out a brush and paint, and "making it your own."
I mean, artists paint their own version of master's work all the time.
@@seigeengine True, I feel like the difference in art lies in the skill and motivation. Paying homage to something with your own style is completely different than screenwriters blatantly using popular media as a backdrop to tell their own stories.
@@seigeengine What? No they don't. For fun maybe, but not as serious pieces of work, and certainly not with the intent to be put up for sale in a gallery.
@@aarondimoff5180 it was a usual practice some hundreds years ago, but they were the literal apprentices of the said master and did so to learn, not to present it is as their creation.
@@aarondimoff5180 What a hilarious combination of naivete and conceited ignorance.
First Blood was a rare example of a screenplay improving on the book. Also Stephen King's The Mist mainly because of Frank Darabont's ending.
My Mom is a big fan of Little House, has watched different versions, owns and has said that she read the books as a kid and as an adult, and she always says that she prefers the Michael Landon tv show version the most, even over the original book version. I also often see people online often putting The Shining Movie version as better then the book.
For a second I was worried he died.
fr right before the Elden Ring DLC got me fucked up
How did you get that from the title?
He's not permitted to die before he delivers two remaining books.
He will pass away before he ever finishes the last two books
@@NikopolAUYeah that ain't ever gonna happen buddy lol.
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own"..
What are you quoting?
@@BurgerFlips lord of the rings
@@BurgerFlipsit's a, I believe paraphrased quote, from Tolkien regarding all things evil in lord of the rings. How orcs are bastardised elves, or at the very least, not a true creation in the way humans and elves are.
At least get the quote right.
@@BurgerFlipsKay Williams.
This hits like a fucking truck after Season 2 of his book's show aired on Sunday and they decided to change a very important scene from the book and made it a million times worse.
hi, i'm a long time ASIOAF mega nerd and super fan. i am successfully disengaged entirely from that show. can you tell me what was changed, please?
Is that oblivion music in the background?
It’s like taking a wonderful filet mignon cooked by a renowned chef and handing it to a short order chef to be turned into ground beef and thinking it’s going to be better.
Except in this case the short order cook throws out the filet and instead pulls some garbage out of the trash and mushes it into a shape similar to the filet, and calls it a filet.
@@ColinFox That would imply they created something on their own - more likely they took some of their own literal body waste and mixed it into the ground up mignon, thinking it would be better
i mean if you can turn that into a cheeseburger I wouldn't mind XD
Ronald Dahl is underrated
H'es right up there with JRR Tolken.
Roald Dahl
Ronald McDonald is overrated
@@rpgadventurer32 See, the joke was that asblastgold mispronounced both Roald Dahl and Tolkien, but apparently that went way over your head...
@@malchir4036 yeah, but also some people deserve a simp or infinite
If you look at Tolkien's world. He made an intricate history with languages and lore. And a story to go with that world. Almost as if he intended for people to build UPON that world. Not rebuild what is already there. If they had made their own story, on Tolkien's world without changing anything. It could at worse only be "meh". But when you ruin established characters with badly written dialogues, when the man himself (Tolkien) literally had characters written for a reason, with a reason.
Take this example from Rings of power. Gandalf shows his powers "I AM GOOD". That was cringe as hell. Meanwhile at the end when he says "When in doubt (insert hobbits name), always follow your nose". It was probably one of the best lines in the entire show. That quote is straight from Peter Jackson's movie. And it works because Jackson showed more respect towards the characters due to well written dialogue. Him and his team studied the books, the characters. And they went from there.
Jackson had to re-write shit as well, but he never once disprespected the source material. Which is why the trilogy still holds up today. Two decades later. The only thing i missed from the books were the War in the Shire. The final battle showing the growth of the hobbits as they return home from their journey. I understand why he didn't have it in there, i accept it. But i don't like it. But he respected the source material.
I can actually find one instance of this, or rather, two instances of this.
1. Aragorn's character in the Peter Jackson films was MUCH IMPROVED to his book version.
2. Everything in JAWS. EVERYTHING.
"..don't send it to me and expect me to prove it or something."
Horikoshi: This guy understands me.
But do send him the fan art.
He said "approve" not "prove". Bad subtitles.
Idk, seems with the last few seasons he's been caving into the BakuDeku stuff
@@isaaccooper862 Mangakas do use fujo bait all the time, there's a market for it. Boku no Hero has it on most main characters, you can't even pretend it's not there.
@@shiroi5672 Oh so it's bait then, I thought he was caving in, cause it seemed like in recent seasons he really tried to do the BakuDeku thing. But I know basically people go crazy for all the same sex ships in the show, it was one of the things thy put me off from My Hero for so long until I checked it out myself
"How has everything become so toxic? It used to be that if you were a fan of Star Trek, you liked Star Trek. Now it seems like half of the people calling themselves Star Trek fans, hate Star Trek, and the Star Wars fans hate Star Wars, and the Tolkien fans hate Rings of Power, what the hell, maybe it's because it's changing..."
- George R.R. Martin
Context: he was talking about people hating on things that aren't even out yet
Context: he was talking about people hating on things in the active sense of posting online about it heatedly instead of just disliking it and not watching it
Why are you shitting on my plate?
How do you know it's shit? It isn't even out yet?
PLOOOOP!
Yep, it's shit! Just like we thought!
@@seigeengine Bigger context: he had already sold his soul to a corporation to shit on his magnum opus for money
Thus I cannot take him seriously.
Also, to quote another fantasy writer, if I serve you a steaming pile of shit, you dont (or shouldnt) need to taste it to know its not a beefsteak.
@@seigeengine real context here :situation a)I like the change because it align with my personal preferences and situation b) I don't.
@@seigeengine Faithful representation of intent? On UA-cam? Surely not
We just blindly share quotes without actually thinking about the intent here. As seen above.
That last bit reminds me of "Somehow Palatine returned".
Fans of games have been dealing with this for decades. There are so, _so_ very few quality adaptations of game narratives to other media. I am not even addressing how difficult it is to adapt an interactive media to a non-interactive one -- even when all they do is attempt to adapt the core narrative, to tell the game's main story while removing much of the gameplay-centric sections, they nearly always fail. Both books and games generally have a lot that is removed, truncated or simply changed outright to tell the story the adaptation's writer wishes to focus on sometimes for no real reason. For example the Fallout show had the entire rest of the USA, and the world, outside the established games' narratives to work with but instead dug itself into the most lore-dense region and immediately went about changing existing details. Then there is the upcoming Borderlands film...
I’m a massive bookworm and the same crap happens in this community as well. The amount of “booktubers” who think they can write it better than the author is so funny they say they would do a better job and when they do try their crap ends up on kindle unlimited or kindle for like 70p (cents) with like 10 reviews and forgotten. These people are insane and can’t do anything for themselves and have no talent so they want to take over someone else who is talented and ruin it. They are actually insane and I hate them so much for trying cancel and ruin amazing books and films.
To be fair it's somewhat luck whether you get published or famous. Herbert had to get car manual publishers to publish Dune, after getting turned down a million times.
less than 1% of books sell more than 1000 copies. You could be the greatest writer in the world and there is an overwhelming chance you will never sell more than 1000 copies. The entire publishing industries stays afloat on Celebrity/politician biographies and similar, thats it.
I have no doubt some of these booktubers are pretty bad but even if they weren't they would still never sell books anywhere but kindle unlimited lol.
Or the video esseyers reviewing movies and trying to rewrite the movie script to "make it better". I have been working on a story for a film for like 2 years now (on and off course as it is a creative endeavour) and that shit is pretty hard. To have a good sense of characters, their motivtions, needs, wants, obstackles in the world, challenges, the world itself, how other characters influence things. I got to a point where i had to scratch everything because I wanted X to happen and it did not make any sense with the rules I established.
@geekyc. What do you mean? I've never seen any booktuber try to rewrite a book let alone then publish it.
Booktube/Booktok is crazy from what I have heard, it's why I'm not going anywhere near that scene.
just like the art twitter post “fixed” but on the larger medium
true af
... was that a scene from The Rings of Power at the end? Oh my god...
This is, in my view, underpinned by a larger shift in culture in the United States and perhaps the West. Businesses are also run to one degree or another by committee; everyone believes their perspective is valuable enough to be included in some way shape or form in the final product, whatever it is.
We have to get comfortable with the idea, the reality, that in some spheres, other people are just better than we are. It doesn't mean their lives have more worth, or that we are somehow dimmed by their flame. It doesn't mean that being "better" extends across all endeavors. But it does mean that when someone has a cracking, lights out good idea, product, or story we should do what we can to facilitate making that thing manifest in the real world in as clean and pure a form as it was conceived by those who created it.
Our constant insistence on "self esteem", which is in its way important, has grown beyond intended borders to encompass the idea that ALL of us are equally awesome at all things so really, why should her idea take precedence over mine?
Keep down this road and you end up with mediocrity and dreck and failure. Step aside from time to time and let the man, or woman, go through. Just. Step. Aside.
That's exactly why the One Piece adaptation on Netflix was a succes, they created the show with the official creator of the manga/anime beside them. He had the final word, if he wanted otherwise, it was going to change or the show wouldn't launch.
It's not a success, nobody watched it because it's a lame looking live action with low budget. It does not matter who oversaw it when it looks like sh t.
@@johnjack3578
LOL, what are you even talking about dude? It broke Netflix's viewership records with 71.6 million views globally and was pretty well received by fans and journalists alike :D
You can not like it but stop blatantly lying about it.
@@johnjack3578 I'm one of the people that hasn't watched it and even I know it's a massive success lmao. It's objectively made well in terms of a live action because the actors and creators gave it their all and actually gave a crap about the source material.
@@johnjack3578you're out of touch with reality if you can't see how successful it was
@@johnjack3578 nice ragebait
There is some great fan fiction out there, the problem is these writers are not fans, they hate the source material, and they hate the fans.
I doubt it's hate, I think it's ignorance born from apathy. They just don't care what's in the books, probably don't care to read them either.
The best fanfiction I ever read was based on that shitty Tom Cruise The Mummy movie. It turned the archaeologist chick into the protagonist, slowly fall to the dark side, and had Ahmanet and the bad guys win and how that might actually work. Basically justified the film's existence in the first place imho.
@@jed1natmine is a snoot game fanfic.
Fanfic also implies that you sit down and write a story out of your love for the thing, like you wrote the story not to improve it but just because you love it.
@@jed1nat I agree the writers on that thing seemed to be forcing a narrative for this Universal Studios Dark Universe that flopped hard on that movie alone
If you want to do something like that you have to simplify and just do one movie as a test (Ironman for example was a test and had great story writers)
The only example I can think of where filmatisation is better than the books is Foundation on Apple+. That show took a great, if some times monotonous book series and made it great for TV. I like them both, but I prefer the TV version.
Villeneuve's Dune and Dune 2 were good as well, although Dune 2 started going on it's own direction and I don't think that was a better direction. So even then books are story-wise better, masterful as those movies might be.
2 weeks later...
*Proceeds to nerf blood and cheese
Of all the people who should be pissed about show runners messing up authors work, that guy should be the most pissed
Not really. His book series isnt even finished.
@@adamtideman4953 Agreed, I hate when ppl give him a pass for what happened with Game of Thrones. That story is never going to get done in his lifetime. It's sad because it would be one of the greatest sagas ever written but, if Tyrion's saga in the sea was any indication, Idk if he wants to or can do it at this point.
@NerdletteGaming @adamtideman4953
You guys seem to be assuming I’m specifically talking about the end of the show. I’m not. Didn’t he tell them how he plans on ending the books? I always thought it likely that most of the worst parts of the last season were probably his ideas and the show probably just didn’t have enough run time to really do it well. But think most of the changes the show made after season one take a lot away from his story. Obviously they have to change things to make the show. But I don’t like most of the changes they made throughout the series. I’ve watched many interviews where he doesn’t specifically talk poorly of the show, but the way he answers a lot of questions make it seem like he’s not very happy.
@@Animalsarefoods I honestly think they had they own ending in mind since they started the show. It’s the only way to understand the changes they made. After season 4 it just became so bastardized compared to the books that even if George told them his ending there is no way they could have gotten it remotely close with everything they cut and changed. Like bran being king is certainly a possibility, but he won’t be THE king he will be A king. Daenerys has been fighting the system her ancestors started (slavery) basically from book 1 so having her come to Westeros and end up dissolving the 7k is entirely within her character. No faegon, no crazy blood magic Euron, no dornish plot, no lady stone heart, too much was left out , I can’t possibly see how they could tie in any ending George gave them. Hence why it was so shit.
It's crazy to think that they forget these stories and books got popular because the person that originally made them made it good. Why do they think "changing it up" is going to ever be received well? I think the biggest thing is that people don't understand the essence of the material, they just see a story and think it can be different or they can inject their opinion/agendas and it will magically be "good".
As amongold says, if you are confident you can make a book as good as some of these popular stories, make one yourself rather than trying to edit someone else's work.
I think it's understandable in the old sense of "changing it for the format". You can't (usually) make a visual medium the same you do a literary one. But these people obviously have no intention of just making the best version of it in another format--they are out and vocal about doing it to piss off the fans.
Because sometimes it works. Sometimes you get adaptations which are quite different from the original, and either better or sufficiently different and good for different reasons. The issue is that these people think they can produce one of those with committees of talentless hacks pursuing contradictory goals, writing for an audience that only exists hypothetically. They want to change the material to be better, but they don't want to take any risks. They want to write something that appeals to a mythical "average" consumer. They want something different and interesting enough to appeal to a wide audience, but bland and mushy enough to not turn any of that hypothetical audience away. This wouldn't work any better if they weren't adapting things, which is what they've figured out, because if they produce another mindless, mechanical cashgrab with the name of some popular brand from the 90s on it, idiots will immediately forget all the other terrible adaptations and rationalize about how this one will be different, before donating their money to those some soulless bureaucrats who are "ruining" their favorite things from their childhood.
A lot of the time this happens because the director or writer actually wanted to make a different movie, but it got rejected because it wasn't good. However, they were allowed to make it by making it about an already-liked franchise - because that way there is a "guaranteed" audience.
@@tzaphkielconficturus7136 99% of the time it doesn't work. So can we stop killing franchises when changing the source material has proven to always make it worse?
I get to some degree writing or videogames have to be altered a bit in order to make it work on a movie/ tv show medium. That is fine, but what isn’t is when the purposely alter the story in a large way to fit their agenda. Like the witcher
George said show vicerys was better than his own vicerys.
Martin also publicly praised Considine's portrayal of Viserys during a fan Q&A video shared on Twitter ahead of the series premiere.
"King Viserys Targaryen I, as portrayed by Paddy Considine on the show, is better than the way I wrote King Viserys in 'Fire & Blood,'" Martin said. "He's stronger, he's still conflicted, but he's more of a tragic figure. He has King Lear aspects to him, if I may dare [say] that, and that's made his portrayal really interesting to watch in the show."
So I guess that was the ONE time.
The Wheel of TIme is a disgrace of an adaptation.
They're all the fucking same. Like the whole "Syfy" look to shows on that network. It isn't even really the franchise; just another generic "medieval" show filled with 90% african americans with British accents with a popular brand name slapped on it at the last second.
Unironically kinda enjoyed the 2nd season. At the very least its leagues above rings of power.
It is. As a massive almost life-long fan of the series it feels like getting repeatedly slapped in the face and spat on every five minutes watching the "adaptation". I have to say, however, even the Wheel of Time adaptation comes off as almost award-worthy compared to The Rings of Power. The latter is by far the greatest cinematic belly flop I've ever witnessed.
@@zeriel9148it's why I watch anime only nowadays. The wrong side won the war.
@@epicadventureturtle1363 yeah while it's sad that none of these shows are as good as they could be, at least some are... slightly better
Aaah the legendary Ronald Dahl
I grimaced.
RONALDO? I wheezed at the chat
"I'm good" was one of the many amazing lines from Rings of Power.
2:09 when I'm playing an RPG game and I want the good ending
I love fanfic (I mean I write it) but he's absolutely right that showing it off to the og writer unprompted is. Very much frowned upon, even in fanfic circles.
The fan in fanfic is supposed to mean by fans for fans. Not by fans for the writer. It's you going "I love this so much, anybody like this that much too?" and a bunch of people going "Yeeee."
It's helped me massively improve my own writing because I try to achieve something comparable to my favorite authors and study how they write.
I also feel like he was mainly talking (or rather sent I suppose) about the fanfics that purely focus on shipping/sexual scenes between characters with not much regard for how the characters are themselves 🥲
Edit. Just going off of the next sentence he mentions. And I wouldn't be surprised if those people that write that kind are the ones sending it
I took a screen writing workshop a couple years ago and it really opened my eyes to why so many good ideas will never hit the light of day while so many trash ideas get made. The writing community is super small and insulated. Its an echo chamber where not being "on the team" means you will NEVER get past the MULTIPLE levels of gatekeepers and script writers that come before you EVER get close to a director or producer reading ur script. The writing community in Hollywood is almost entirely ran but the gay mafia & they will END YOUR CAREER if they think you are not behind EVERYTHING they support 100%. That workshop really turned me off writing once I realized its not really about what you write, but who you know and what you have to do to get them to back you.
People will come up with all sorts of explanations for why writing is terrible to avoid the fact that committees of soulless bureaucrats will never produce good writing, now matter how long you leave them at the typewriter.
As a struggling author, keep writing anyway. Hollywood's heading for a huge crash and new opportunities will dawn following it. If you've got a good film idea, write it down and keep it handy, since you never know when you might get a chance to use it. If nothing else, you can always go the extra mile and make it into a book.
The lesson to take from here is to never trust the mainline institutions to get things done anymore, and that thanks to the internet indie stuff can and will flourish without them.
Sounds like an excuse. As a writer who has actually sold their writing to some notable studios, like Blumhouse. I have never had to deal with this, imaginary all-powerful, gay committee you seem to have made up in your head as an excuse as to why you will never be a writer. And I don’t know if you’ve been living under a rock for the entirety of the human race’s existence, but it’s almost always about who you know-networking is the most significant improvement to one’s career, hard work only takes you so far.
@@user.Icarusif you can’t see the gay committee in how fucking gay everything that comes out now, you’re insane
@@user.Icarus No, you're wrong.
Thing about book being turned into movies is there's only so much you can fit into a film, and all authors want their books turned into films so they can see their stories "brought to life". Production companies and streaming services like Netflix have been studying for years what viewers want, and by average they do not want to be watching the same thing for longer than 90 minutes. That's why you rarely see epic 2.5-3 hour feature films unless they're a massive franchise. Rewind 20 years and half the films coming out were 2+ hours. Now, maybe 10% of films are 2+ hours and 75% are sub-90 minutes. This is also why in the last 4-5 years there's been a massive spike in higher budget series. People are more inclined to return to a long af story if it's broken up to 30-45 min episodes.
I'm a massive fan of reading books and then watching the movies. And it doesn't matter if it's an old fictional story like To Kill a Mocking Bird, or a modern day non-fiction like Unbroken - you just cannot fit the contents of a book into the length of a feature film. It can frustrate me, but that frustration is oddly the dopamine hit i get from watching a film I've read the book of. So I can point out all the stuff they've missed.
George is merely ranting about a pet peeve he's got, but the reality is while he might be a great story teller, he'd be an awful filmmaker. Sure, it's his pet peeve, but it's like complaining about how much winter isn't as good as summer. Like yeah, you've had your little tanty over it, now what can you do about it? Nothing.
Love George's stories, but as a human being he's intolerable to listen to.
Nobody is saying that some rewrite is neccessary to adapt a book to a movie or series, e.g. removing Tom Bombadil and the reckoning of the Shire from LOTR. But sometimes the complete plot has changed and changes it profoundly. E.g. Ready Player One could not be more off to the book (even though Cline worked on it). That just ruins the experience for readers.
What about Hobbit?
Coppola's rendition of Stoker's Dracula was better than the book IMO.
He summarized the last decade of entertainement industry. Hundreds of copycats with big egos.
Evil doesn't create only corrupts everything it touches...
But evil sees itself as good and good as evil. So who is evil?
@@jaroslavpesek6642 Evil doesn't see good as evil just as a threat to itself.
"RINALD DAL" 💀
I love fanfiction, because there are a lot of cool stories that I didn't really like that much, but had neat concepts, settings and characters. I wanna see different versions of the same stories being played out over and over again lol. I've probably read a hundred ASOIAF/Game of Thrones Fanfics. There were at least 5 or 6 good ones that I really liked. I call that a win lol.
Couldn’t agree more.
The difference between them is that he is a writer because of hard work and she is a screenwriter because she went yachting.
When you realize just how many people get their job because of nepotism, the world makes a lot more sense.
It's not just something a few snobby elites do. It's most jobs.
How do you pronounce "Yatching"? I'm not sure that's even an actual word but English isn't my first language so I'm genuinely curious.
@@AzraelAlpha yacht is a large private boat (usually owned by rich people). Yachting means went to a party on a yacht. Pronounced as yoting.
@@rhrishikeshsane5450yaw-ting
@seigeengine wow that actually does improve my sense of the world.
No, he's not based. He was lambasting fans for complaining about lore changes when RoP came out. Now he's changing his tune because RoP flopped.
This. Such short memories we have. He's worried he'll be tarred and feathered along with the Adapted for Modern Audiences crowd. He's so desperate to become the modern Tolkien.
Same with Andrzej Sapkowski. He sold the rights to the witcher to cd projekt red despite them telling him to get a better deal from himself. He thought they'd amount to nothing. He then sued them after the witcher became successful. The witcher would not be where it is today without cd projekt red. I don't think Andrzej even writes any of the new books anymore lol
Yeah George is kinda insufferable as of late. At this point it’s hard to even be a fan when he’s waited this long to release the next book. Definitely cares about the money the most, why he focuses on these useless side projects
@@Accorinrin Did you ever watch Breaking Bad? That guy also sold his creation for $5k.
Andrzhej was totally right. All this bullshit "a deal is a deal" is stupid and unfair.
And Martin probably felt he should defend GoT. Maybe you forgot, but first seasons were as good as it gets.
Also, for me - Martin IS modern Tolkien. Nobody else even close. I just hope he will finish the books one day.
Yea people forget that
It’s always been like that through. That’s why there is an award for best adapted screenplay and another for best original screenplay. This has occurred since a century ago when movies began to be created.
Absolutely - most books _need_ restructuring and trimming in order to work as movie scripts.
I think his point was more-so that screenwriters are increasingly misunderstanding their task (or being pressured into abandoning it): they'll miss a story's message, or decide to change it altogether because contemporary politics; add superficial conflict to dumb it down; decide that characters are not diverse enough, not funny enough, not badass enough, and change them regardless of the effect it has on the relationships and plot. I think what he means is that there's an epidemic of unfaithful and unfocused adaptations, because historical revisionism is cool and we don't need to respect authors with outdated values (despite them literally being born in 1880).
Idk, maybe it got a little political there at the end, but I assume he's first and foremost arguing against thought-provoking drama being adapted into dumb action.
The Witcher 3 trailer "Killing Monster" is almost 3 minutes long, but it's gigantically better than Netflix.
Same with the launch trailer “a night to remember” that foreshadowed the expansion
There is more atmosphere, depth and character development in those two short clips than there was in the entire show. You know EXACTLY what kind of man Geralt is and how the Witcher world works after watching those trailers alone.
Even the old Polish TV series (2001) is better than Netflix adaptation.
Why is nobody talking about the fact that this seems like a safe way to criticise the TV adaptation of his own show?
Like yes it applies to Rings of Power but my mind IMMEDIATELY shot to GoT season 7/8 which he is probably contractually obliged not to directly cirticise.
He had the choice to not sell out back in the day. He did, so at this point he shouldnt complain. Either that, or fully decry every single adaptation including his own and fuck HBO and the entire industry, but he wont.
He's being a hypocrite.
@@KairoStark 'I'm going to trust you to be faithful to the material you're adapting'
'Then you shouldnt complain when that trust is broken'
Are you fucked in the head? lmao
@@KairoStark he's exactly the person who should complain since he's had direct experience with it and is a reputable source. Your benchmark for validity is ridiculous
The problem with this analogy is that there was no more source material to adapt because he hasn’t finished a main line asoiaf book in over 11 years
I've always been critical of _Game of Thrones_ 's final season. They truly lost the thread, didn't know what to do with the characters most of the time, and tried to Hollywood Ending the thing when the real ending is probably that everyone died. But we'll probably never know, because Martin has zero focus on finishing the books. He'll do anything _but_ write them, it seems. How long has it been now, since _A Dance With Dragons_ ? July 12, 2011 according to Google. Really, George? Almost 13 years to the day now. Will we ever really see the end of this story?
What's also pretty bad is when other productions seemed to try to imitate _Game of Thrones_ . Like _RWBY_ . They did this in their Volume 7 and 8, I think, and it didn't fit that series at all, and also made their lore and worldbuilding fall apart. Not a single character wasn't done dirty, and by the end of Volume 8, both I and my niece had decided to drop the series altogether.
Do not be _GoT_ Season 8.
Biggest issue is books tend to have a lot of internal monologue that translates poorly to a screen. Also sometimes authors dont really finish the series....
sometimes you need to change things to fit it into film format. But you had better think really carefully about exactly why and how you are changing it because that change is going to be picked apart by fans and for good reason.
Feels like a lot of these adaptations lately just change things for the sake of putting their own spin on it, with little thought behind the change. That's where the big issue is.
I'm not against fan fiction. Because fan fiction isn't written from a place of insult & disgust for the source material. In fact all the fan fiction writers & artists I have ever encountered in my 20 years of existence were actual fans of the IP, they wrote the fanfic because they have immense respect for the original writer & his/her IP. They were willing to put so much effort & time into the fan fiction because they liked the IP in the first place. They were simply exploring the "What if" scenario with their fanfics. An alternate timeline.
So the problem isn't fan fiction. The real problem are these woke people at Hollywood & gaming industry who hate the IP & they have an agenda/propaganda they wanna insert in these pieces of art. They look at an IP with ill intentions & have no respect for it. They are not fans of the work, they are activists who wanna change it to feel morally superior. They actively insult the real fans of the IP & make everything about themselves.
Basically fan fictions are made by hardcore fans & the community whereas whatever these clowns at Hollywood are making is not a fanfic because these writers & directors are not an actual fan to begin with. Most of them haven't even read the source material. These are talentless people who are just there to get rich off someone else's work & also promote their ideology & propaganda in the process
It's funny cause videogames and movies communities are the only places they feel like they have control and if they pull that elsewhere they'll be immediately shunned off and called a POS.
Perfect explanation for those self absorbed woke activists
What does "IP" mean?
@@jonatandjurachkovitch460 intellectual property
@@jonatandjurachkovitch460 Intellectual property
every video essay on youtube on rings of power was more entertaining than the show
Season 2 dropping in August I think
won't watch it
but the YT videos will be glorious!
Critical Drinker's videos hit over a million views.
I always like to bring up the movie "starship troopers" when talking about this. For me, it's the one out of a thousand that George mentioned, the example of a director thinking he can do better, and doing a great job with it
Is this the same guy that bemoaned how fans these days were always complaining instead of just consuming product and getting stoked for next product? How did he phrase it again? Oh yes "Anti-fans" rule social media and dance on the graves of movies that flop". Better be careful George. Your starting to sound like an anti-fan. Why not shut up and consume product?
Yep that’s the same tub of lard.
Fr, Fr, he's just a toxic fan, harassing those underpaid hollywood execs.
Lol is the disastrous legacy of GOT finally dawning on him after 5 years?
He's also the same guy who started this trend by selling his work to a corporation who shat on his story.
Dude allowed the Velaryons to be black in HOTD despite it being a massive plot hole
Oh don't forget they let a character live in HotD instead of being killed like in F&B, despite it also being a massive plot hole, simply because the character was portrayed as gay.
@@silverwolfe3636wait I had no idea 😂
Probably they wouldnt even let him do the series if that wasnt added to it. Skipping diversity quotas is almost illegal for these absurd ppl
Maybe he just phoned it in or something
He was also the one wondering why are fans so "toxic" about things being changed, but now hes based?
I've been saying this for years about all sorts of properties where the movie makers completely ignore or pervert the source material in favor of their "reimagining".
"To shadow i bid you return. . . he is not Sauron, He is not Halbrand, He is th-e. . . is the. . ."
"I AM GANDALF"
The irony is that GRRM bashed on Star Wars fans for calling out creators for doing the exact same thing, saying that they were just hating on it just to hate on it.
Indeed; a couple of years ago the same GRRM complained about "toxic fans" not liking crappy woke activist writers ruining their beloved franchises. It's hard to take his twitter ramblings seriously at this point.
Star Wars wasn’t a book. It was a B grade 70s movie with two sequels. Totally different.
This...!!! I don't understand why so many people are calling him based or something. He is just a lazy hypocrite who can't get his arse off to finish his own works..!!
@@rovingmauler7410 It's still the same problem. The only thing is that now he gets it only because it affects his area of work, which is literature due to the fact he now has context, but isn't self aware to make the connection to Star Wars fans.
@@rovingmauler7410B grade 70s movie with two sequels that did far more than his glacial writing could ever do.
Same guy couldn't understand how people can hate something they used to love.
This is why.
When new writers make stuff their own.
Make it woke, shit on the lore, and obsolutely bastardizes the story.
That is why people now hate Star Wars, Amazon LoTR, The last seasons of GoT etc.
You can add Megamind to the list now, but honestly I don't even think it's _because_ of the wokeness, or not caring about the lore. I think it's simply because they can't even do that well. I mean if you screenwrite... I don't know, a version of Beauty and the Beast and the Beast is a woman instead, technically, the gender doesn't actually change that much about the story.
That is, you know, if you can actually write it well.
But if you write it with the _specific intent_ of celebrating your awesome lesbian couple rather than just being like "hey, how would princess x princess affect the worldbuilding realistically, lemme study medieval France ('cause that's the setting) and ask a bunch of competent historians to make sure I get my lore as right as possible", then yeah, you're just being woke instead of legitimately trying to do something cool. Same if you're trying to make a sci-fi version of it. Like, you can, but at this point just research lore and worldbuilding to make sure you make something that's actually unique. This might be a hot take, but from what I've watched and read so far, I think people would be a lot less offended by adaptations if the writing was good.
Yep, same guy who said "I've long been an opponent of fan fiction" finally realized what all modern 'screenwriters' do is put their own poorly written fan fiction on screen.
@@twaggytheatricks4960 I don't know.
It seems like people are getting allergic to anything that even looks woke.
Apparently the new Mad Max isn't half bad, but people just see another girl boss, and check out.
@Valjean666dk sadly I think you’re correct and that’s completely by design. I have seen so much propaganda saying “you need to leave your hobbies behind and focus on this election and politics.”
Works with Star Wars too, "I am the Spy !"
bro said Ronald Dahl 0:34
great Author :)
Definintely! So is Ursla K. Do-ween :)
@@hotfightinghistory9224 in fairness I can't pronounce "LeGuin". I always thought it was "luh gwin". Apparently not.
Like "Patricia Crone" is Krow-Nuh, "Juynboll" is "Jane Ball', and that's why I look like an idiot in Islamic studies before even presenting a paper.
I was looking for this comment 😂
@@HasturLaVishnu He also wrote some shit too. Like stories for playboy that involved rape etc. Switch Bitch / Some Time Never / My Uncle Oswald
Wait a minute. Isn't that the same Georgie who also attack the fan no long ago?
Fun fact, The room behind Asmond is fully lit, the mold just grew on the light bulbs
"Nah Id' win in a essay contest"
- Curious Gorge Martin
George before: "People say that they're fan of these IP's yet then say that the new stuff is grabage! What is happening?!"
George now: "Do these showrunners seriously think that they can do better than the author? None of those changes have worked out!"
Sounds like he realized what is happening and adjusted his view. What is wrong with that?
@@doggnamedchip The problem is that the issue has never been adaptations. The endless adaptations are a symptom of the problem, which is bad writers trying to hide their complete lack of skill, and George has no room to complain there.
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What's wrong with deriding people for doing what he strawmanned viewers for disliking before? You tell me. He was lambasting fans for complaining about lore changes when RoP came out. Now he's changing his tune because RoP flopped.
Apparently, other fans can't dislike the changes. But suddenly he does, and it is SO OBvIoUs that the showrunners are being arrogant in their changes. The changes have NEVER worked out. He ALWAYS thought it was stupid.
Where did you hear his saying he adjusted his views and apologized for attacking people who called the changes garbage before? He pretty much directly said that he always thought this way".
No. In first case he was defending a show, now he is defending his own story/work. There's nuance to it, and its possible that he realized his mistake on blindly defending the shows, as he saw first hand that it's the show writers that are ruining it, and it doesnt matter who wrote the original.
@@doggnamedchip Funny how calling fans "toxic" is somehow defending... I love moral relativism. I don't have anger problems no... I just have "Righteous fury" 😂
"Here is a quote of Lippmann’s book ‘Public opinion’: ‘Public opinion must be organized for the press if they are to be sound, not by the press as is the case today’. This quote says as much as this: forget the free press. It was written in 1922. Lippman is said to be the most influential journalist of the 20th century. Ever wondered why media articles around the world all look a bit similar? Now you have an idea why." ~ Mattias Desmet
This has been taken to a whole new level orchestrated in the West esp. via Uhh Ehhn global level. Not just culture, education in school curriculum is saturated with it. HR/compliance at work is constantly feeding employees "re-education courses they must complete". Its not left they're the immediate blunt tools to do the proximate job. It's global governance in the West orchestrated across the US/EU. The news-media, culture, institutions, politics - the entire edifice is suffused with with what the above quoted author is calling propaganda of totalitarianism.
If you look at the SATURATION of news on tv/radio and paper/web it's for the exact reason of creating a total blanket of propaganda with which to control and shape the population at scale: It's not to inform them at all but to control them.
It's ramped up to prodigious levels recently with so many inserts and perversion of source material even trying to "doctor" words in R. Dahl's children's books "abridged" editions while warping and perverting Tolkien's grand works.
Fan fiction is one thing, an orchestrated total strangulation hold on mass media and culture and then massive power grab into private space and public space as such are altogether speaking a very different story in the real world.
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@rudradixit460 No wonder we're screwed, people can't even be bothered to read a bit of text.
it's important to note that it's impossible to make exactly the same thing, books and TV are a different media, and you can't adapt 1 to 1. people praise the Lord of the Rings movies, but they changed a lot of important details so it would work better, like improving the pacing or compensating for the lack of exposition. the problem is when you change the underlying message or narrative (either because you didn't get it or though you could do better) to do your own thing instead of changing it to better transcribe to a different media.
I personally thibk this is a weak argument as in truth 9/10 theres nothing stopping a direct translation excepting the producers idea of how a narrative should work and in what order and for how long.
@@paul-antonywhatshisface3954 yes, there is nothing stopping a direct translation. except you would need a constant narration for everything that can't be shown, like inner monologue. you would also need the movie to be 5 times as long, since the pacing is completely different. and it would be an interesting watch of course, but not necessarily a good one.