Modded RAZOR get's even more power! (72v electric pit bike build)
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Today we upgrade and modify my 72v Razor SX500 e-bike mini motorcycle to be EVEN FASTER THAN IT ALREADY WAS! This new electric motor controller takes the bike from 3000w watts peak to over 8000w in a tiny electric pit bike! Thanks to surronster for inspiring this video with his own MX650 upgrade - this is an upgrade option for Razor owners looking to build a 72 volt, high voltage system on their own electric dirt bike or e-bike without breaking the bank :)
PARTS TO UPGRADE YOUR OWN RAZOR SX500 RSF650 MX650 or MX500 (or other bike): linked in comments!
This is my first electric bike build / project, so I hope you enjoyed the video!
I hope everyone enjoys this installment of moto moto's build!! As promised, here are all the parts links :)
Electro & Co Kelly KVD: www.electroandcompany.com/product-page/kelly-kvd7212nx-controller
Razor SX500 e-bike: amzn.to/3fNAcaZ
72v 3000w Motor + controller kit: amzn.to/3pmls4m
72v 20 amp hour battery: amzn.to/3qsflvM
E-bike twist throttle: amzn.to/3QQ6bEQ
E-bike voltage meter + key-on: amzn.to/3dwrlcC
Hydraulic disk brakes for Razor: amzn.to/3B0O1ev
Brake disks specifically for Razor bikes (*PLEASE double check that the rotors you order have a 44mm bolt pattern * Regular 48mm rotors will NOT work!): amzn.to/3SEOrgJ
72v e-bike headlight: amzn.to/3TmxQiy
Nice aluminum headlight switch: amzn.to/3PYQYQN
Grippy moto seat cover: amzn.to/3KvIlMC
Heavy-duty chain: amzn.to/3wHsk0u
@@KeatonsCarlott ill take em
Did you have link to the new controller? I love your videos I have an Ebike but now want to build a razor for fun lol
rear shock
Did you get a new top speed with this controller
This was definitely an incredible and exciting episode like you said in the beginning!
hahaha just trying to deliver on my promises brother
Will the 48v 2000w kit work fine as a plug n play? Just wanting some feedback from someone who’s actually done a electric swap haha
Yes
“Why’s everyone staring at me?” 🤣
total mystery
Happens to me now!! That bike is sick everyone tells me. 😂 wait till
They see the upgrades coming
So cool. My son is 5 and has a mx350. I put training wheels on and hop on there behind him and we both can ride. The lil bikes have a lot of torque. I'm 165 he's 40lbs. I'm going to get a mx650 and look into these upgrades. It's a lot of fun.
what a fun father/son way to bond!! Sounds sweet, let me know if you need any help or info on mods :)
I'd look at other 36v dirt bikes as E Razor suspension (if any) was the reason we bought the 50r Higher 36v 500w dirt bike 2yr warranty (1yr battery) for the same price. If you are in Australia I can help you
Hey, really sweet build! I want to build something electric as well, but I am not from USA so shipping and taxes are way too much so I am thinking about buying these parts separately not from Electro & Co but still not sure about the tuning. Do you know what tuning exactly it has to be working with the MY1020 motor? Thanks!
Hey Logan great video. Did you ever figure out about the amperage issue. Did you put a 100 amp fuse between the battery and the controller. I have a 48 volt build with a Vevor motor and a kelly controller. I have a 48 volt 14 ah battery from rad power bikes that i had laying around. the kelly controller blew through 2 - 40 amp fuses. luckily the battery is still ok. Just wondering if you fixed the issue with yours. Keep up the great content.
for the controller what options did you select in electro n co because there is options for services that says “ultimate pre tune” “ultimate plug n play” and “ultimate plug n play with a key” just wondering because some of them change the price alot
Hey could I get another screenshot of your throttle wiring? Trying not to start the next tesla dirtbike fire news headline
Your videos would be a lot better if you didn’t use the Lords name in vain every 1min. But a very informative video regarding controller and what you did to the bike. Looks fast 👍🏼
did you get ULTIMATE RAZOR PRE-TUNE or ULTIMATE RAZOR PLUG & PLAY
Bro tricep go crazy
what do i purchase at Electro and co Kelly?
get any razer kit and scroll down and it says like 5 different options for bikes it’s compatable with i’m getting the 11000 watt one with an separate battery cuz it’s cheaper off amazon
Awesome video man, great vibes, and awesome build! Im stoked ill be getting a new sx500 hopefully in the next few days. Gonna put mototec hydro forks, fat street tires, hydro brakes, and hopefully motor swap with a fardriver controller. These minis are so addicting 😆 cant wait to see how it wheelies 🤘
dude thank you so much! I really appreciate the support. And that sounds like such a sick build - Definitely go 72v if you have the funds. It’ll wheelie going mad fast if you pop hard enough! Let me know how the fork swap goes.
@@logan-taylor 72v is the way! I have a qs165 swapped mototec on 72v that does 60+ id definitely like to have my sx keep up. Fortunately ive already done the mototec fork swap on my rsf650 so throwing it on the sx should be cake this time! I have a video on the fork swap but the parts are a pain to come by
oh SICK i’ll check out the video - that mototec sounds like a sick little bike, that’s awesome
@@logan-taylor i have the parts list linked in the description. If your looking to upgrade your shocks, i believe the fork tubes and triple tree are in stock right now but they wont last long!
omg ok i’ll check it out now thanks bro
Glad you gave the Kelly a shot! Definitely worth it in my opinion!
1000% worth it, i’m excited to start tuning!
@@logan-taylor also since your not running the stock plastic, highly recommend luna float seat, i tried the crf50 tall seat on my sx500 but the float seat is way more comfortable. the stock sx500 seat hurts my butt XD
@@dannyzsk8ting was actually just looking at thr float seat/other surron seats!! That might be my next move, thanks for the advice
Weird that those ESCs aren't programmable.
love you videos bro, i want to buy one soo bad, but done have the money
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make another vid pls, great video , i just bought a sx 500 going to do the same exact build thanks for making this video , i appreciate u for making this video this is a great amazing video 10/10
haha thank you!! Many more videos coming :)
my butt hurts without suspension 😢
You think you can give it to me
i’ll think about it
It will be really helpful thank you for responding means a lot
do you think it will work with the etm motor?
whats a alternitive battery option
Dose the seat cover fit a mx500?
What did your total come out too?
Can I have the old parts
Hey i was wondering if you could list all the tools you used and needed like, screwdriver flathead bolts etc if so that would be so helpful
So what is your new top speed?
Stuck on “middle” power mode i’m hitting 41mph (feels like 50). Once I reprogram for eco and sport mode, sport mode should get me to like 47-50 with the current setup!
You will definitely want the E&C heat sink for the MY1020 motor.
I ordered the 44mm bolt pattern brake disks and the bolt pattern is too small!
Yo can you help me please
It's going to cost me more than I paid for the bike to make it cool
Use a house braker
which service did you get for the kelly controller
I've got a 36v renegade that I'd love to do this to. I'm too cheap for it lol I cracked shits paying $200+ for a replacement 36v battery on daughters 500w dirt bike
haha it’s definitely pricey but sooo fun!
The ABS sheet 🔥
such a wonderful material
What is that beat during the8min. mark?...
How do you pull 200amps with that controller when the battery you listed has a 50amp bms??? You would have to bypass the bms to pull more than 50amps
Good q - the BMS is 100amp peak, 50a continuous, but you’re 100% right it does technically only flow the number of amps limited by the BMS. The previous controller pulled around 75a peak, so still quite a jump! I just didn’t know much about bikes when i filmed this haha
Love my electro and Co 72v kit Numero uno
Ok. Never mind. As soon as I submitted my comment/question, the links magically appeared!
that keeps happening! Glad they showed up.
I’m having trouble finding the links to the parts off Amazon. Is there a list of the links? Please advise. I’ve really enjoyed watching your razor upgrade vids! I think it’s your honesty that makes it more fun to watch. Cheers!
thanks so much! Glad they showed up for you eventually, let me know if you have any other questions i can help with!
I’ve got the same battery and controller. Be careful with the battery. It doesn’t have any physical protection. I put the foam that it was shipped with to pad it down from damage from the bumps. There a video online of someone taking apart the battery. It’s just got a rubber case
yep good tip - i’ve always been careful with the battery and check on it pretty often to make sure it’s not getting dented or damaged. Definitely put padding around it!
whats the best way to fix the issue with the controller is it just easier spending the money and getting a 80A BMS?
if you’re building your battery, definitely. You can always tune it down if it’s too much power, but ideally the power would be limited by the controller, not the BMS
How much ?
Hey do you have another link for the Voltage meter? Have all the parts on the way for the MX650 but can't find the Volt meter key on deal
I actually shattered mine a while ago and bought a replacement from this listing, luckily it’s the exact same product: amzn.to/3sZOQiI
what tune did you buy with the new controller
He did not just say “logang”
of course i did, we’re the logang 💪🫡
Why are you copying Logan Paul
logan who?
That's a awesome controller box bro you should make those and sake them I would buy a few
Honestly i thought about it, it’s not out of the question haha
Two words...Full leathers.
Also... great video, felt like I was on the bike.
you’re right you’re right, looking at some options now. And I’m glad the new camera is more immersive
Put your own style on those thumbnails my boy
i refuse to be original
how tall are you, i am 189 centimeter. Will i fit on this?
i’m about 6’3” so you should be fine!
@@logan-taylor grazie mille, have a nice day!
@@logan-taylor you think me and my girlfriend will fit on this? (:
Can you leave a link of where to buy your camera helmet type? Thanks
totally! it’s the Insta360 One x2. This is an affiliate link but no pressure to use it, it’s available lots of places: amzn.to/3fZCsMu
Buy a domino throttle it’s 1 gear from lonestarelectrek
hmm, good idea. A mechanical to potentiometer would be an awesome setup.
if you wire up the fuse for battery show us! i have the same setup and want to do that one day.
will do!! Still haven’t built it in, but it’ll likely end up being some sort of breaker switch so that i don’t have to replace fuses all the time lmao
Can we get a wiring diagram?
You can program that controller to draw less power until you get new battery
Totally, i’ll do a whole episode on programming at some point!
Need more amps than that should be 500 amp controller
if you can show me a battery that’ll support it i’ll do it straight up
FYI the Motor you got from Amazon, is also available from VEVOR for much less that Amazon.
I should have thought of that, great tip - was looking for a way to just buy the motor on its own!
@@logan-taylor they dont have just the motor :{ but their kits are much cheaper.. the 3000w kit with 60a controller was $240 on Amazon.. I got it for $209 from Vevor and it went as low as $165. Amazon messed up my 3000w order twice, they sent me the 1800w instead.. twice.. 2nd time i mesaged them to confirm before shipping, they did not.
My guy back with another bangerrrrr
thanks moosey i appreciate it
What suspension modifications have you made?
Front is totally stock, rear is a random Amazon downhill mountain bike sprung shock - some people run air in the back but i like the low maintenance of a spring/shock :)
What brand is the battery can you send a link to it lol ✊🏾
sure thing! They updated the listing from when i bought it but but this is the new link for the same battery: amzn.to/3qsflvM
Great video.. i have the mx350 24v i def need an upgrade for the boys
an MX350 with this power train would RIP
@logan-taylor what would you recom.end?
So you got the ultimate razor plug and play version? Did you get Bluetooth to make your own adjustments? We're the instructions clear for the wiring?
I didn’t actually get the plug and play kit, BUT if you do i believe it comes with pre-wired plugs and everything so no wiring required. I just got the controller with the tune, so custom wiring was totally up to me.
(also, didn’t get bluetooth because I don’t have any android devices but i think it’s a sweet add-on)
@@logan-taylor I think I might make the purchase soon. Do you have a link or resources for the wiring diagram? I want to make sure it's not over my head before I try to custom wire it. Thanks again.
14:03 what was actually going on down there?
haha couldn’t quite tell - looked like someone’s living space so i didn’t want to intrude
WHERES THE NEW VIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
ITS LIVE
Does the battery have to be specific because the one you linked isn’t available in Canada but was wondering if any 72v 20ah would work for the motor
Darn! Sorry about the availability.
If it’s 72v lithium and can flow around 100amps it should be ok! Mine is LifePo4 but regular lipos are more common and a bit smaller. Whatever battery you get just make sure it has a BMS built in to protect it from overcharging and other issues!
@@logan-taylor great thanks for responding!
@@truenorthboystv4674 no problem!
So glad you took the advice and got the kelly kvd and 13t! Worlds better ain't it
dude it’s soooo good, best combo ever.
@@logan-taylor I can't wait to go up in battery currently getting 20 miles out of my 48v 15.6ah (just cruising around 15-20mph). I wanna get something beefy like what you got. I just did my hydrocbrakes yesterday aswell.. been sleeping on that. Hell of a difference 👏
@@TURBOMOOSE those brakes make a world of difference. And upping your battery is obviously pricey but sooo worth it
@@logan-taylor definitely next on the list!!
You should just get the electro and co kit
too late for that my friend, maybe for a future project
This is my new fav razor channel 🙂
you’re making me blush
WHERES THE NEW VID
Lets go! So glad to see you blowing up :)
ahaha idk if it’s quite blowing up yet but i’m happy people are liking the new videos
whawt breaks are those i need one for the rsf
the brakes themselves are these Zoom hydraulics: amzn.to/3CmNFOz
The rotors are a little tricky to find (they go in and out of stock) but you need a 160mm rotor with a 44mm bolt pattern (NOT a 48mm pattern like most mtb disks). These are the cheapest ones I can find: amzn.to/3SOwe0z
Those rotors don't fit what's up
uh oh.. what part doesn’t fit, is it the inner bore? The vendors keep switching their listings randomly because 44mm bolt pattern is so hard to find, but I keep it updated as often as it changes :( Let me know what’s not fitting, I might be able to work something out with the vendor on Amazon
How is your light hooked up?
I believe i have it wired straight off the controller +\- with the headlight switch on positive. I do not recommend doing that lol, there is a 12v out from the controller that would be a better option and give you waaaay more options for 12v headlights
Have you thought of building a mini moto moto with a razor Mx 350?
hahaha that would be so small and cool! Unfortunately I think i literally would not fit, but i’d love to build a Razor Rambler 12 (the tiny one) with like 10kw or something 😵💫
The power to weight ratio on the rambler would be insane.
But, I’m almost positive the rambler is smaller than the Mx 350
the garage selection is excellent 🎶
thank you 🤘
could i get ur twitter i got a few questions
You're freaking awesome
thanks g!!
Just got the same bike off Amazon truck today yay
it’s so fun!! I hope you have a blast
@@logan-taylor man I’m waiting on this 12 hour charge before Ridin
@@guerian84 worth it
What’s the range you got?
about 30ish miles, that’s as long as i’ve taken it between charges! So could be closer to 35 or so, completely depends on how you’re riding.
Awesome video man! You should throw a train horn kit on it haha. How much have you spent on the whole build at his point?
haha that’s a great idea - i think all mods have been like $800 or so, plus the cost of the bike. I think you could do it for cheaper though, there are some great deals on FB marketplace
@@logan-taylor That's honestly lower than I expected. What kind of runtime can you pull on a single charge?
ikr?? And i’m not sure on time, but i’ve done 20ish mile group rides riding pretty hard without it dying - i’m guessing around 30 miles per charge? I’m a heavy guy tho so might be longer for other people
@@logan-taylor How well do you fit on the Razor? I know their other models are kinda small but idk about this one. I'm 6'4" 240lbs so I may just be better off with a Surron or something haha.
@@waermelon5770 i’m a little over 6’3” about 190-195 and it fits fine! Obviously it’s a tiny bike but the ergonomics are surprisingly good for how small it is. A surron would probably fit us both better tho haha
lool surronster click bait
haha surronster is awesome! But didn’t mean to copy anything, he just inspired this whole build and I thought I’d try to do it on a budget for people who don’t have $1700 for the full kit
What camera do you use ?
Sony a6500 with a Samyang 12mm f2.0! (Also an Insta360 One X2 for helmet cam and my iphone for a lot of stuff)
i wanna build one so bad
do it there’s no downside
How much have you spent on this
i believe $800-900 in mods and then i got the used bike on FB marketplace for cheap!
@@logan-taylor ok thanks
What seat is that?
It’s the regular SX500 seat just chopped in half and rewrapped. Not the comfiest i’ll be honest.
Make Ur Next Vid ALredy
hahaha i’m editing it right now sorry for the wait
@@logan-taylor Yep well Im still waiting .
I have a RSF650 with the LSE. Kelly controller KVD7212 plus their programming . I'm running 60v 51ah battery, 14t sprocket. I weigh alot more then you and I do 43-45 mph. I built it to cruise around and give me along ride time. But yes the controller is one upgrade you need. Now that you have mounted the controller on top of the battery box , you can put your plastics and full seat back on and hide all the upgrades .
That sounds like a sick build!! your range must be crazy. Did you software-enable eco/sport modes? My KVD seems to be stuck on “medium” power mode and the throttle modes are non responsive, hence my lower top speed of like 41mph. I’m curious what your experience was.
@@logan-taylor I'm running a 3 speed switch.
@@noce1071 gotcha - any custom wiring/programming, or did you just pin it into the wiring loom and it worked?
@@logan-taylor can you go into the program
@@logan-taylor my range , with me riding is 40+ miles. Depending on how much I'm getting into the throttle.
I have Electro & Co's razor 2.1 kit and love it, you definitely need to get the Bluetooth connector to connect to the controller and turn up the power. It's usually only set to 25-30% power from them, you can turn it up a lot more than what it is. Check it out!
dude good tip!! I don’t have an android so can’t use bluetooth, but I did just get a cable so i’ll be trying out some tuning stuff in a future video
WHERES THE VIDEO
in my exports folder
@@logan-taylor upload ittt 😭😭😭😭. The day you upload it ima sell my ps5 and buy the kelly controller and motor and set it up and Live Life .
@@steppedonaroachroach7629 lmaooo ok export is being glitchy so I'm trying a bunch of stuff - hoping I can get it out ASAP
@@logan-taylor ok ill be waiting
@@steppedonaroachroach7629 thanks g
also , can u do like a full build guide , i just ordered the parts but i wish it went more indepth on how to build it and what goes where
and can you sell the piece you make to fit the controller inside ?
If i had a better manufacturing process I totally would, there isn’t really a good solution out there right now. I would love to sell them eventually, I’m just not sure when i’ll have the time! Soon!!
And once moto moto is 100% complete (new build ep in about 2 weeks from now) I will put together a full guide/how-to! It’s a bit confusing with wiring and everything, so that seems like it might be useful.
@@logan-taylor Ok thx! also, is there a way you could fit the battery and motor without having to cut the seat open and keeping it like it's a sleeper build
100%, I cut the seat like that to fit the huge amazon controller but thr new Kelly one will fit perfectly under the plastics. I’ll show that process in an upcoming video :)
@@logan-taylor BETT
is it loud?
the controller itself is super quiet - i can’t hear it at all over chain noise. TONS quieter than the one i replaced, would recommend.
@@logan-taylor ok do you recommend getting a speed tracker to put on the top ?
It definitely would be useful, although i rarely go fast enough to need it. There are some solid speedometer apps, but that drains your phone battery which isn’t ideal. If you find a display you like, I say go for it but it’s definitely not necessary when you first build the bike - I’d recommend just getting it running first.
@@logan-taylor how easy would you say it is to setup everything like put all the parts together and get working ?
ITS BEEN 2 WEEKS
SORRY I’m literally editing the new video right now
@@logan-taylor well its been 2 weeks and 2 days
still working i promise!!
@@logan-taylor ok well every day goes by where i'm not thinking about this video, i am literally dying inside for this video to be released, I need this video to be released. I am very excited for this video to be released thanks for making this video
that is incredibly kind, i’ll finish it just for you. Aiming for this weekend
Dude! I love this! Its seriously the future of biking, and transportation imo.
dude i think so too! ebikes are literally what will change traffic, car ownership, transitioning to walkable communities, and sooo much more it’s crazy
@@logan-taylor im hoping someone comes out with an affordable (sub $15k) "kei truck" style EV soon! If not i may have to do it myself out of spite lmao
you’re speaking my language, i’ve been looking into exactly that project …
Amazing build bro ❤ can’t wait too do mines
thank you bro!
@@logan-taylor always bro keep it going I love seeing builds that make people happy