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Red Dot Forum Camera Talk: Leica SL System - 2021/ Where are we now?
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- In this week's Red Dot Forum Camera Talk, Leica experts Josh Lehrer and David Farkas are taking another deep dive on the Leica SL System. With so many major developments, new product introductions and updated firmware features over the last year, the SL System is definitely worth revisiting. They'll cover the outstanding SL2 and SL2-S professional mirrorless cameras, the reference-class APO-Summicron-SL lens range, and exceptional zoom optics, as well discussing adapters, macro solutions and their top tips to get the most out of the SL System.
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0:00 - Start
4:50 - Intro
7:07 - SL system recap
18:50 - Differences between the SL2 and SL2-S
43:23 - SL2 or S (Typ 007) for landscape photography?
45:11 - Are we going to see multishot mode on the Q2?
47:32 - With the IBIS sensor on the SL2, do you need to be careful when cleaning the sensor?
50:45 - What drove you to go for the SL2-S over SL2?
53:35 - When does it make sense to purchase an APO SL prime over a 24-90mm zoom lens?
1:05:35 - How does the SL 28mm compare to the 35mm?
1:07:15 - Do you prefer the 70-180mm f/2.8 R lens or the 90-280mm SL lens?
1:08:27 - I have an SL2-S with a 24-70mm, do you recommend a 75 or 90mm APO SL lens?
1:10:37 - When does it make sense to purchase an SL (Typ 601)?
1:13:57 - What is the equivalent no noise ISO between the SL2 and SL2-S?
1:21:07 - How would you compare the 75mm APO SL lens and the 75mm Noctilux-M?
1:22:32 - Would you use Image Stabilization on the 90-280mm SL lens?
1:29:05 - Can you customize the buttons in the quick menu?
1:29:26 - What is the Leica SL2’s long exposure limit?
1:30:08 - Do you still use the joystick for focusing?
1:32:08 - Does the electronic shutter affect bokeh?
1:32:20 - What is the battery life in the two SL models?
1:35:10 - Which SL lens do you recommend for product photography?
1:35:44 - Please cover SL lens firmware updates
1:36:55 - My friend owns the 16-35mm and 90-280mm SL lenses, should he go for the 24-90mm or a 50mm APO SL?
1:39:32 - Does the 50mm Summilux SL have the M look? If so, which M lens characteristic does it have?
1:41:27 - If you were hired by the NYT for a day as a photojournalist, would you take an SL or M camera?
1:42:25 - How is the TL 60mm Macro lens on the SL?
1:43:05 - SL2-S for astrophotography? If so, what lenses do you suggest?
1:43:56 - What do you recommend for a safari setup?
1:45:53 - Can you compare the 50mm Noctilux-M to the 50mm Summilux-SL?
1:46:32 - What is the best on-camera flash for the SL system?
1:47:14 - Has the eye detection improved on the SL2 with the recent firmware update?
1:48:05 - Any solution for wireless triggering the shutter?
1:50:53 - What would you choose for street photography in the SL system?
1:52:52 - Focus assist, does it work with M lenses on the SL2?
1:54:20 - Do you guys use the Leica grip for the SL2?
1:54:50 - So are SL lenses sharper than M lenses?
1:55:00 - Best solution for using high speed sync on strobes?
1:55:25 - Differences between SL2 and S3?
1:56:05 - Any problems when adapting the M-adapter-L to the SL2?
1:57:17 - Should I turn of IS when shooting SL2 on a tripod?
1:57:45 - David, did you develop a different preset for the SL2-S?
1:58:27 - Can you use old Leica film telephoto lenses on the SL2 with the adapter?
1:59:20 - Can you use multishot mode in crop mode?
2:03:20 - Is there a good reason to keep using the SL (Typ 601) or upgrade to SL2/SL2-S?
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You really should make a part 2 of this episode, talking about the L mount alliance. It's a bit restrictive to only limit the SL system to Leica. It's so much vaster. There is plenty of very interesting and qualitative lenses from the two other members (and some third)! 😉
Sorry I am commentating late - this is one of the best shows you guys have ever done. You have really helped convey the incredible performance of the SL camera and lenses and what it represents in both the Leica world and photography in general. Your perspective - which you objectively test - on the differences in performance is right on. Wide open SL lenses are fairly unique and though I own tons of M lenses, only the 35APO and 75mm Noctilux truly compare in absolute performance. There are many other goals you guys well note for lenses, but at least the air has been cleared on this front. The SL is still the most “under-appreciated” of the major Leica camera lines and you guys helped remind everyone of just how amazing this mirrorless system has become. Kudos!!!!!
End of 2020 I did an extended side-by-side trial of different high-res mirrorless cameras to replace my previous Fujifilm gear for fashion and make-up portrait work. I ended up with two finalists: the Z7II and the SL-2. Both are exceptionally good stills cameras. I decided to go with the Z7II to go along with my H6D. The main reason was the lacking Profoto support. When I mentioned this to a Profoto account manager, he smiled mysteriously and told me to ‘wait and see’. So, that lead me to the conclusion that Profoto support is on its way. Professionally I am by no means disappointed with the Nikon performance. It’s a great (small) camera and dito lenses, but personally my heart lies with Leica and either my M10-R or the Q2 Monochrome are always within reach.
By the way, thanks again for a great show. Entertainment and valuable insights go hand-in-hand.
Boy!!! you just made my day!!!! That would be such a welcome addition!!!!!
I just ordered the SLS-2 with 24-70 (can't call it a kit lens because calling this a kit lens would be an insult 😀) and with this channel, I think I have found "my people". Love your passion and the geekiness (and I say this with the highest praise) for Leica and photography.
There’s no denying that it is quite remarkable what a small com-any like Leica has achieved over the past 5 years with the SL system. And I know you don’t like to talk about products outside the Leica brand, but what for me really converted SL into a true ‘system’ over the past few years is how the cameras are getting support from other manufacturers. Full tethering with live view in Capture one, various very good macro options up to even 2:1 (Laowa), adapters (sigma, novoflex) to harvest the full EF-mount Arsenal (tilt-shift, super tele, etc), super wide-angle (Laowa), very affordable and light weight primes (sigma), advanced video cameras (Panasonic), etc, etc. Still holding hopes up on Profoto….
I just took the quiz. Kristen is a genius. First, the questions were wonderful. Second, the quiz answers picked the camera I bought befor going to Paris!
You're a Leica CL.
You are just a straight up cool cat. You're the MINI that dominated Monte Carlo. Although unassuming at first, you are a quiet force to be reckoned with. Don’t short change yourself.
Thanks for this Quiz!! it was fun!
Great video. Positioned the zooms vs prime selection very well. The 90-280 is more versatile than a 70 200 f2.8 with a 1.4 teleconverter that become a f4, 105 280. If you need more length Sigma is the only option.
The quiz was fun and apparently I am a M3 man which is unreal. I haven’t shot film for eons and I said to a friend just a couple of months ago that I would never shoot film again for all the uncertainties, waiting, costs and what if I missed (very likely) the shot and never have the chance to travel back to this distant spot to shoot it again?! But thanks to your show on M Analogue cameras, I am now eagerly waiting for an M3 to arrive 😜 Thanks for sharing all the knowledge in a very entertaining show👍🏼
I would have liked to have seen David carrying all that equipment in a backpack on a hiking expedition. I love the concept and design of these cameras and I am planning to move into the system next year but the size and weight of the zoom lenses is ridiculous ! I expect to be using mostly M lenses.
I hope there will be an SL camera with the Monochrome sensor out of the Q2 Monochrome. This should take minimum
R&D dollars and give us an Mirrorless interchangeable lens camera in L mount so we can utilize our L mount glass.
Is this even something Leica is working on?
Profoto and Godox flash support now exists for those who may be interested.
This Leica SL2-S is amazingly built. I'm so excited to learn about the firmware additions. I wish someone is aware of a cheat sheet for purchase. I would like to accelerate becoming a Leica pro. Please.
Bit of an odd question perhaps . . . I've got an SL2--S (came with an M adaptor as a package deal) . . . I use four vintage R lenses I just LOVE with the SL2-S and I have a 75 SL Summicron lens I love also for the SL 'native' and autofocus experience. With the M adaptor, I am thinking of getting at least one M lens just to diversify my experience . . . . so I am looking at the M 50 mm Summilux lens. But I am also considering the 'native' SL 50 Summilux. Now, OBVIOUSLY the two are radically different experiences . . . radical weight and size differences and autofocus versus manual focus . . . of course!! . . . BUT BEYOND that . . . putting ALL of that aside . . . any thoughts / insights / wisdom on the differences between the optical capacity, image output / quality / characteristics of the M 50 mm Summilux and SL 50 mm Summilux lenses on the SL2-S?
Focus on the main important thing!
In a video about a stylish camera the most important thing is .... correct the cam.
If the main aspect on your video is too dark, because it is black on a black background ... raise the exposure. We do not care if your hand will be too bright or your shirt.
I came here because of leica.
It will be amusing if SL3 can go back to the SL 4 buttons layout plus front 2 buttons. That 4 button layout design is so Leica original, and easy to use. If one know his camera.
Even though we used (and liked) the four-button layout since the launch of the Leica S2 in 2009, the new unified thee button interface with long-press customizable function buttons is an improvement. Faster and more flexible in real use.
Well worth the money, grwat product
Which Leica are you quiz: M3 #stomp #grr Guess I’ll go develop some film now. #lovemym3
Really nice build camera the SL2 but without a tilting Display i stay with my Panasonic and sigma lenses. A SL3 with such a Display would be mine…
How about a Leica Miami store tour.
With the SL2 Can I Just Use the Main Settings of photography which is aperture shutter and ISO and forget about all those other complicated settings?
I did a pano with multi shot and I'm blown away with the result and present it's at the printers being printed at 5ft x 4ft be interested in the result.
Wow. That has to be a massively large file!
@@RedDotForum I have now received the print back from the printers and just wow. The photo is of my city of Bath in the UK from a hill f top, the detail is amazing. The photo is being mounted and is going to be auctioned off for a local charity. Having moved from canon in lockdown firstly buying the Q2 I was hooked ,I just had to get the Sl2 without a single regret.
Is there a roadmap for future Summicron-SL lenses? Are they designing a 24 or 21? Also, in considering the Vario Elmarit 24-70 f2.8 I'm wondering if it is weather-sealed as you mention with the 24-90mm?
Here's the link you're looking for:
www.reddotforum.com/content/2018/09/leica-adds-three-more-sl-prime-lenses-to-roadmap/
You can see that the 21 and 24 Summicron-SL lenses were originally slated to be launched by the end of 2020. Of course, there were global extenuating circumstances which pushed back the original timeline. Given the recent release of the of the 28mm, we are hoping that the 21 and 24 will be coming soon.
Yes, all of the SL lenses are weather and dust sealed, including the 24-70mm f/2.8.
I was wondering if somebody can help me out on this. I'm seriously considering to purchase a LeicaSL2S, but it is essential that I will be able to fire it from my PocketWizard PlusIII. My difficulty is to understand which sort of cable is needed to connect the camera to a Pocketwizard and furthermore to find or have it custom made. Thanks
The L bracket is what I’m looking for can you tell me which one works with the SL2S? Love the show and when I get to Miami I’ll visit the store! Thanks guys!
We're currently using the Really Right Stuff BSL2 L-bracket for the SL2 and SL2-S:
www.reallyrightstuff.com/Leica-SL2-Camera_2
How much do you pay the Band for the "pre show Music"?
I want to know what music it is..
Will Leica make official close up m adapter with a knob so when user is focusing the lens, camera will magnify the image automatically?
I don't own one but, I seen another video (maybe Leica Australia ) . With the M-L adapter and an M lens mounted, you can push one of the buttons on the back (probably on the top right) while looking into the EVF & the view zooms to 100% if understood it correctly. If you own one of the other or thinking of getting into the Leica ecosystem, call the store or Leica support.
That's correct. When using an M-Adapter-L, the rear thumb joystick will magnify to 100% with a single press. You can then scroll around the image with the joystick.
Stitched Multishot Pano?
Money without object, Noctilux-M 75mm versus the Summicron-SL 75mm? Same goes for the Summilux-M 90mm versus the Summicron-SL 90mm? Both paired with an SL2-S. Are the Summicron-SL that much better in terms of performance? Which would you guys personally take?
The differences here are about ultimate sharpness (especially in the corners), autofocus, weather sealing, electronic aperture control and lighter weight (75/90 APO SL are 720g, 75 Noct/90 Lux are 1,055 grams), versus a more unique rendering wide open, faster maximum aperture for more light gathering, and more vignetting and soft corners for more Leica "magic". The photographic objectives you'd have with each of those sets of lenses will be different, with some overlap of course especially for portraiture. Using the 75 Noct/90 Lux really slows you down because of how precisely you need to dial in the focus, which can be a good or bad thing. Using the 75/90 APO SL still results in the highest optical performance, which is something we simply cannot say enough! Plus autofocus is really nice to have sometimes (often).
@@RedDotForum hi again, I went to my local Leica Store. I got to try the 75 and 90 SL lenses and the Noctilux 75mm (my friend's). The shots from the summicrons are unbelievably clean and pretty. As much as it hurts for me to say it, they are indeed sharper than my 50Lux-SL (even at f2.0). Theyre on another level. I may be biased but I like the colors and bokeh from the Lux-SL.
As for the Nocti...well, it is magical...it isnt perfect like the summicron SL lenses but it is spectacular nonetheless. Is it 10K USD extra more special? Personally, no...not right now anyway. Perhaps, some day when Im more skilled and have a better eye. The difference between the 75SL and the Nocti 75 is visible enough but that may be because I got to see them side by side.
Wow consider me blown away and a believer of the Summicron SL lenses...not that I ever doubted it. My question now is if I should swing for the 75 or the 90.
I just want to confirm what you said because I live FAR from a Leica store and must do sensor cleaning myself . . . that is OK to turn the SL2-S ON with the lens off and do the sensor cleaning with the camera on? Please confirm this for me . . . .
Yes. The camera must be powered on for the sensor to stay in place for cleaning.
Is there a manual and/or automatic wide angle lens for Leica SL or one that can be used with an adapter?
The SL can be used a vast array of adapted lenses, but the native Leica 16-35mm Vario-Elmarit-SL is hard to beat for a wide angle solution.
SL2 in aps-c mode, raw, with full frame lens- approx 1.5x increase- is that the same as taking a 'normal' FF image and cropping later in post? Or is there something else magical happening in the body?
Nothing magical as the camera is applying a sensor crop, just as you would in post. But, importantly, the cropped image is filling the viewfinder, which makes composition much easier.
What´ s the the SL2 Lplate brand guys?
This is the L-bracket from Really Right Stuff.
I was M10monochrom
why do people still ask so many questions about r lenses? dude, get a job and buy a m or a sl or a s. its 2021. move on.
Your double header 'banter' is quite stiff and you need to relax or at least prepare the banter beforehand as you make things difficult to watch.
If only Leica did a superior sensor I would be all over it - whole smash - all in - as a wedding shooter the difference between my GFX100 and this is too great. C'mon Leica prove your superiority