What If Russia Was Carved Up After the Crimea War?
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2024
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When the time traveler drinks water:
Fr
When the time traveller drinks vodka:
fr
@@gengarzilla1685 When the time traveler eats Giant Pretzel
Waking up hung over after going into my parents room talking of a holy war in heaven I felt this sooooo fucken hard😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Scenario Idea: What if Genoa didnt sell Corsica to France and Napoleon became an Italian General?
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Hmmmm
There would not be any napoleonic wars Since he was not bullied for his Corsican accent and the situation was not that worse than feudal france. If he had moved to Genoa things might turn more differently.
He would have sold his services either to France or to Russia anyway (which he had planned IOT just before the outbreak of the revolution).
Rather than larping as the new charlemagne, napoleon larps as a new Auralian and renconquers the roman empire.
1:51 The world is not ready for two Frances. Although French cuisine with slavic influence would be quite interesting.
its acceret the fact of two frances as poland would be a Frence becuse it would be a "independent" state
ah yes, snail soup, my favourite
Well now everyone is happy in France one France for a napoleonic dictatorship and then a monarchist france
France is so nice that now so we have it twice
the real terrifying part is that the new france might have the protection of the old france. we cannot allow the frances to unite!
time traveler: moves chair
the timeline:
I think that france allying Austria would make more sense if Napoleon III is stil in charge since he would still want the prestige and want the Rhineland and the Italian borderlands
In a scenario with an alliance between austria and france, Bismarck wouldn't have been as aggressive. Austria cant attack Prussia in this case, the Prussians have been allies of Britain for a long time and would be able to secure Russian support as well, that's not a risk the pretty shaky austrians could take.
France would get into a napoleonic wars situation in case of an attack on prussia, Napoleon III was certainly not capable of winning this, as France was neither the behemoth in terms of population advantage it had been 60 years earlier, nor was it particularly advanced in military technology or in industrial capacity. An attack on prussia would have turned the southern german states towards prussia just like we've seen in our timeline aswell.
@@NeverEverCleverI think In this timeline Russia could demand Austria give up all of besserabia, to prevent a 3 front war
In this scenario, I think Russia would invade Sweden and the ottomans
Or would demand Sweden give up Finland and let’s be real they’d accept
@@NeverEverClever Russia in this timeline dislikes Britain even more any war that may happen Russia and Britain they aren't going to be on the same side
The Swedish King and nobles wanted in to take Finland but parliament didn't. It's not so black and white like you said. The loss of Finland is still a blow to the Swedish at this point since Finland was seen as part of Sweden proper and not a colony.
Suggestion: What if the Swedish-Polish-Lithuanian personal union never fell
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just a disguise for another ehat if everything went perfect for poland
best scenario
no, Sweden@@saccorhytus
@@saccorhytus I was just thinking the Swedish military strategist and the polish calvary combined would be unstoppable.
What if my vision for Norway happened?
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
No you dane
Norway actually arguably is in their perfect scenario right now if we're staying even somewhat realistic.
@@plasmakitten4261 NO their perfect would be apart of sweden
@@felexl32the perfect would have be that THEM own Sweden
Swedish nationalist found
yeah I mean if you want to prevent the Russian Empire, it's way too late for that by this point. You gotta like, prevent Peter the Great from ever taking the throne so Sweden wins, or at least doesn't lose, the Great Northern War, or some such scenario as that, where Russia can be fatally weakened earlier in the timeline.
Actually you would just have to make sweden not overextend and PLC not die to nobles. The problem with that is that you end up with a big sweden possibly kinda scandinavia and PLC which basically replaces russia on that part. Except they have a somewhat threatening threat to the east.
This channel is helping me learn more while at the same time having fun watching historical videos. Keep it all dude.
HOI4 modders: “WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!”
Idea:
What if the union of the PLC and Sweden somehow survived?
Keep up the good and exiting work!
Great video, just maybe an oversight at 5:45 your "Next 10 planned videos" the 1st and 2nd ones are the last crimean video and this one
Ah yes. Balance of power for britain😂😂😂😂😂
Suggestion: What if everything went perfectly For Napoléon III
Hmmm
Literally a dream timeline
i just love your channel
these videos are so entertaining i love it
What if everything went PERFECT for egypt next?
Now THAT would be a cool alternative history, where to start though?
@@ddesmarais7251let's hope not modern egypt
that would cause massacre
Perfection
You mean Muhammad alis egypt right?
@@zaidb9468u mean the egypt who betrayed ottoman empire during napoleonic wars after they went high for defeating napoleon?
The Crimean War easily has to be one of the most impactful minor wars in history, there’s so much that came out of and could have come out of it
funnily enough it's also a 3.5 great powers war (im not giving ottomans more than 0.5 great power points)
Lets goooooooo new possible history vid
The existence of so many more Romanians in Austria could alternatively lead to a weakened Hungary, with the Romanian minority in Hungary opposing Hungarian autonomy, strengthening the Croat minority in Hungary too, leading ultimately to a more equal federalisation of the Austrian empire. Without the Italian economic base, the nobles of Austria would be more inclined to fight Hungarian super-autonomy too.
Can't envisage a world where Austria is on the UK/French side, wins, & then concedes its Italian wealth & hegemony for guaranteed future conflict with the Ottoman & Russia with less defensible borders & a poorer economic base.
Barney Gumble is a fan of this timeline.
In case of a total french and austrian win in the second scenario, Austria would probably push to recover Silesia
The most important question, who was the better prime minister? Pitt the elder, or Lord Palmerston?
Excellent
Yet another banger
Could you do a video of what if everything went perfect for Austria.
Video idea: What if Operation Valkyrie succeeded?
I really don’t see why the Austrians wouldn’t take Silesia if they beat the Prussians?
This would cause greater revanchism from Prussia and likely a war decades later.
Do u think u going to ever get back finishing every empires series?
My guy what happened to the empires series it seemed like it ended after early modern
Palmerston: finally, peace in our time.
Russia: *The Great Trial Begins!*
G'day mate
we need a viewers peace deal for this
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Sweden still keeping Finland is a Canon Event
What is the song at 10 minutes?
10:18 what is the music here
Idea for a future scenario: what if the Roman republic of 1849 unified italy?
Do a what if history went perfect for Argentina
Dsy 2 of asking for modernised ottoman empire
we need a scenario about that independent kingdom of france in poland now would it make a union with nearby states for power? maybe a french-lituanian commonwealth
What if everything went perfect for the axis?
When will we get history 2
I just started the video but what i can already say is that only a british couldn have come up with such a peace deal thinking the other powers would agree, especially Austria abandoning Lombardy which was one of the most industrial region they had.
Yeah just like the video said
AltHist idea: what if the Spanish right didn't win the Spanish Civil War?
I see two possible scenarios that are not too unrealistic:
a) Anarchists and communists cooperate with the socialis/democratic governement, managing to defeat the militar sublevation
b) the CNT-PSOE split still happens, but France and the UK send volunteers to the republican governement, stalling the war until it merges with WW2
5:37 too I doubt some germans in the province of Bozen would wish to join Italy
nobody makes better "possible history" than you
what if the treaty of san stefano was accomplished?
Scenario Idea: What if the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania survived and become a great power?
P.S: I am a fan of Lord Palmerston for many things. But this is not one of them. And that goes for two certain wars against the Great Qing as well.
Probably it would be just russia but a lot more west focused
@@benismann Well, I can see the Commonwealth developed good relations with France here.
@@lerneanlion and russia totally didnt join entente because of france being their ally. Totally didnt ally napaleon bacc in the day...
@@benismann Also, maybe the Crimean War might not even happen. Well, not in the way it did in our world. The purpose of the Allies here is to unify Circassia under one banner and then use it as something to distract Russia, most likely to launch raids against Russia. However, the Commonwealth and the Ottoman Empire will definitely be competing with one another over Circassia for influence with France supported the former while Britain supported the latter. With the divided Circassia but with heavy foreign influences from Western Europe and the Balkans, Russia wouldn't dare come into Circassia. At least for a while. And maybe, the Tsar can go focused on something else like supporting the Union in the American Civil War and reforming his own country or even form the formal relations with Ethiopia.
@@lerneanlionwell if crimean war doesnt happen then whoever plays russia isnt given an incentive to modernize...
I would love to play Europa Universialis 4 with you 😂
Scenario idea: What if the world would end in a disaster scenario in a year. You go wherever you like with the prompt correct? All out chaos, Eternal peace, World war 3. Whatever.
I Wonder, why is it that italy always seems to get south tyrol? Even in this scenario, you grant it to them, and i don't see why they would take it, especially when not taking north Tyrol.
EMPIRE FINAL VIDEO PLEASE
what if some if not all videos gained a part two first time asking
Lore of What If Russia Was Carved Up After the Crimea War? Momentum 100
Without watching the video let me say this:
World peace.
Palmerston is your average Possibel History viewer 💀
you should do perfect turkey in 1700 they have an amazing position to see how big theycan get
Bismarck would never simply hand Baltic territories for Russian neutrality since that is a terrible blackmail scenario for Prussia that Russia could use later to gain more territories (e.g., East Prussia and areas around Koenigsberg) just to maintain Russian neutrality in future conflicts. It would also jeopardize his position as chancellor if he didn’t get something similar in return besides short term neutrality. If it were how you speculated, then what guarantee does Prussia get if Prussia has a harder time unifying Germany than OTL? Russia stands to turn Prussia into a protectorate, and there is no Bismarck in that scenario. Rather, Bismarck would offer the Russians an exchange of territory at a minimum for prestige sakes. For example, the Baltic territories for Polish territory in western part of Congress Poland that also borders Austria and gives Prussia more advantage in a conflict with Austria. More likely, not all Baltic territories would be offered, especially Lithuania and Courland, but maybe up to Riga, which would’ve been a nice deal for Russia at this time. In this scenario, Bismarck maintains leverage over Russia and has the ability to provide non-German speaking territories for future bargains with Russia that make sense. This is how a great power buys neutrality in the late 1800s, not by offering ones territory without compensation in kind, which implies one is no longer a great power, but a lesser power, like Sardinia, that can be highly influenced or directly controlled.
whens history 2 coming out
what if the british empire fell into civilwar
Least russophobic viewer-made peace deal map:
9:22 I doubt Prussia would have let so happen since they would have been part for the unification I feel like Austria would have keept it in exchange for more lands for Italy
also, I think more minorities in Austria would revolt
@@patrikmodrovsky1842 Good point in the video it happens in a scenario btw Prussia selling it's brothers seems stupid
@@AshleyGravesreal the video literally explains why.
@@benismann It just dosen't make that much sense still
8:28 ?? anchor? idk
Video Idea:
What if everything went PERFECT for Sweden?
Sweden is not OP, basically.
Can you make What if Everything went PERFECT For Serbia
5:36 Why is Missouri shown as part of the Confederacy? Missouri never formally joined the CSA, and instead merely had a confederate exile government, with Kentucky having this as well
Video idee what if kaiser karl Habsburg had created peace in 1916
I didn’t know that Palmerston was the hideous British PM who aided the Turks against Russia. As a Bulgarian I will be forever grateful to Russia for the freedom of our people and for the very existence of Bulgaria. Our oppressors the Turks were crushed in the ensuing war of 1877-78 and Russia gave us our independence, and a democratic constitution Russia herself didn’t have.
Idea: make 2 countries (or micronations) fight over the North Pole or the South Pole
"And I say, England’s greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston!"
I've seen different timelines In which Palmerston's vision was implemented
How many did you see?
14,000,605
How many did Russia not recover from?
One
Please make a what if Austria stayed on Russia's side!🤝🏻(Their oldest ally)
When is the if everything went good for Brunei video coming out
I mean things went pretty as good as the y could get for Brunei no?
what if everything went perfect for ireland? 🤔
Clearly Sweden, breaking its neutrality is the most crazy thing in this peace deal 😔
Couldn't help but notice that in the American civil war Missouri is a CSA state and not Union
Day 2 asking for "What if everything went perfect for Romania"
Honestly though if the Brits and French just bluffed support for Austria I don't think Prussia would have even tried for a quick unification. Austria would have really needed to drop the ball if britian even half attempted to maintain the balance. The only breakthrough chance is if Prussia, Russia, and Italy created a coalition and kept Bavaria neutral
Wow, somebody who actually likes France so much that he wants to have two of them.
An important facet not discussed in either video was the sale of Russian America after the war. Eventually the Russians would have discovered the gold there and an interesting colonial conflict could have occurred again between Great Britain and Russia.
Idea wha if ottoman Empire caught Up endustrial evolution and modernized?
Can you make what if France won the Franco-Prussian War?
Another day of asking "What if history went perfect for Philippines"
What if Senator Palpatine ran the British Empire.
Scenario Idea: What if Ottomans managed to modernize ?
video idea 5 You tubers decide on the scramble for Africa
what if the nefew of stadholder and King of Scotland England Ierland and husband of Maria 2 Willem 3 3
son of his sister inherited the Nederlands position of stadholder king Frederic of Prussia
I need a part 2 to this, especially because Russia and Prussia would have better relations seemingly here.
I believe their relationship is worse than irl. Irl Prussia was Russias best trading partner, since britain blockaded Russian trade through the seas.
Here Prussia just fought a war against them, took a lot of territory they dont really wanted nor needed, and they cant really profit off them, since they would give them back to Russia so they don't intervene in the Brother's war.
In conclusion, they fought a war, and Prussia gained land they werent able to utilize. That are reasons why Russia would hate Prussia
I’m not certain Prussia would simply give up the Baltics, on the contrary it may reinforce the idea that Prussia is primarily destined to colonize the East, rather than to unite Germany. The Prussians could still try to increase their influence on Northern Germany but their actual future expansion would be towards the East. As we know that’s an idea that Germans kept for a long time, so that’s not unrealistic.
I like vid
9:04 Romania basically became Singapore
Could you publish the map of europe's provinces?
And this is why Lord Palmerston is Englands greates Prime Minister and not Pitt the Elder.
Are you? Beo
Why? Because he sided with the Muslims who are taking over your little island now? You are cursed!
1:51 HoI4 Moment in a nutshell
Wouldn't the Ottomons gain major territory in a carve up of Russia as it was mainly the French and British naval campaign with Ottomon troops to prevent Russia from gaining a foothold in the Black Sea and eventually the Mediterranean?
Sure French and Geneo (Italy?) along with the UK did land some troops in Ukraine but it was mainly an Ottomon land campaign since Crimea was a Tartar territory that in turn was a vassal state to the Ottomon Empire. It didn't become Russian until around the World War 2 era where Stalin made Crimea "Russian" by expelling the Tartars.
1:51 …Two Frances?
Day three of asking for a Northern Ireland alt history.