What If Everything Went TERRIBLE for the USA
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
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Scenario idea: What if Burgundy won the Burgundian wars and eventually became independent of France and had colonies?
Why would the lowlands stay loyal to frenchies long enough for them to have permanent colonies?
YES
oh god not burgundy...
@@darthvader3653 The Black Sun..
Is this Burgundy going to be Netherlands, but better? I don't think the Dutch will be calm under any other situation.
Why am I imagining these to have been the 'original' scenarios and the USA just reloaded previous saves to get to its modern hegemonic status? Like in a paradox game
This timeline in the video is the best thing ever
They got the help of HIM.
@@Dude-vq3oe him from powerpuff girls?
@@marshalmarrs3269Watch StarvHarv’s poorly translated history vids. Then you will know
@@Dude-vq3oe HE, is from spain
A few suggestions:
- What If Everything Went PERFECT for the Aztecs?
- What If Everything Went PERFECT for Mexico?
- What If Sweden Won the Great Northern War?
- What If the Byzantine Empire Never Fell?
- What If Italy United During the Middle Ages?
mysore dai viet japan and china vs Britain France Netherlands Spain and portugal cold war
proxy war pro-asia aztecs vs pro-europe mayas
aztecs victory
Nice👍
Byzantine? Bro.
I have another one:
What if Everything went PERFECT for Japan?
how about What If Everything Went PERFECT For The Philippines?
I would say, "What if everything went terrible for Brazil" but i think we are already living this scenario
"The greatest emperor of the nation simply gets tired of governing, thus opening the way for a coup that establishes a weak republic" sure does sound like a far-fetched scenario dreamt up by some alt-hist youtuber
It could be worse. You could be owned by P*raguay.
A more interesting scenario would be "What if everything went perfectly for Brazil"? Or for Argentina. It's more realistic than you might think. Both were going in the right direction in the 19th century, and in 1890 Argentina was as wealthy as the US.
Na verdade não, o Brasil poderia ter muito bem sido dividido se a Inconfidência Mineira (1789) tivesse sucedido e separado, o que estava bem longe de acontecer, mas se tivesse acontecido, é possível imaginar que o resto também iria se separar de Portugal com fronteiras similares às regiões do Brasil de hoje, assim o Brasil estaria limitado a um conceito geográfico.
@@jamesdavis9036 except Brazil was still a slave state
It goes to show just how many points there were where the US could have completely failed during its early history. Kinda makes me thankful our founders were as competent (or lucky) as they were.
It wasn't really luck like people sometimes say, not like the "what if the USSR won the cold war" scenario. The fact is that the revolutionary ideas that built the country, but without needing to behead a king like France, caused us to be in a good situation to rule at least north America. There isn't really any empire in history that exists due to sheer luck really.
Yeah and it only took building the nation on thousands of dead Native American bodies, stealing their land, signing treaties and then breaking said treaties, assimilating them into "western civilization" to lose their culture, putting their children into boarding schools and then putting most of them on small reservations saying "isn't this good enough?"
Scenario: What if Russia was formed by Novgorod not Moscow?
Yes
Interesting scenario.
One problem though is that one could argue that in the late middle ages Novgorod was becoming less ambitious when it came to unifying Russia
They started to drift away from other parts of Russia by doubling down on trade and contact with western Europe .
One could argue that if the process hadn't been stopped it could have followed a similar path as the one which led to the emergence of Ukraine as we know it today. They even at times tried to align themselves with countries hostile to Russia such as Poland Lithuania.
There is a reason why Moscow unified Russia and Novgorod didn't. The later seems to have been much less commited than the former.
It is possible that if Novgorod had replaced Moscow Russia would have been less dysfunctional across history, but for that to happen Novgorod would have had to do much more and in otl they just didn't.
@@stewiegriffin3496 maybe he could start the timeline earlier so it could happen
Yes
Boost
Another scenario that would fit in this video is if latin America wasn't as remarkably disfuncional as it was in our world.
If countries like Brazil and especially Mexico weren't as inept across their history the United States would have had a far harder time consolidating north America and especially achieving world dominance.
You don't even need to substantially nerf the US to avoid today's world in that situation.
One could even argue that countries like Mexico could become continental hegemons and be very powerful on the world stage.
The world and people's way of thinking could be substantially different, especially in Europe.
Up from 🇧🇷
México for sure could be but the elites of my country didn’t choose a clear path forward. What the key Mexico needed was stability and industry.
For example at the beginning of the 20th century, everyone expected Argentina to an economic powerhouse, but instead the turned out an absolute shithole with a string of military dicators with a strange obsession with some British islands that the have no legal claim to. I'm british lol.
No, it would still be difficult as Mexico is basically surrounded by mountains and Brazil has most of their land being forest. While they definitely could have had a better government they are still not able to compete with the US. The situation is very similar to India and China. While India is a behemoth, it is nothing compared to China.
The Patria Grande is formed to rival the US B)
Actually pretty interesting.
The American revolution wasn’t just about taxes, the UK wouldn’t let the colonies participate in parliament which made the colonies feel left out. In an alternate timeline the UK lets the colonies participate in parliament therefore the revolution wouldn’t happen
The founding fathers hated the parliament in general
To be fair the UK didn't even let its own people in the parliament (rotten boroughs)
No lol. The colonies did have representatives in parliament. It wasn't direct ability to vote representation but it was representation.
Don't forget that originally the colonies tried arguing that they weren't subject to parliament but to the king directly.
They only became anti-monarchy after he sided with parliament and when the more liberal founders jumped on this.
It was mostly about taxes because most of the British parliament believed that the colonies should pay for the war that was fought for their benefit because they wanted to expand.
And so to decrease taxes they wanted higher autonomy as colonies under the direct jurisdiction of the king in order to maintain their colonial assemblies.
And of course after the Revolution taxes got worse which led to the Whiskey Rebellion which demonstrates that perhaps your ability to vote doesn't necessarily mean a fair tax system. Sure the MPs in Parliament didn't receive any American votes but they understood that even if a majority in colonial lands wanted whiskey farmers to pay more taxes that it would devastate them.
@@darken2417 the ability to vote does not mean fair taxes
Look at Italy, where everyone can vote, yet every single person is supposed to pay at least half of his income to the state
tfw you pay 4% taxes so you have a revolution and now you pay 45%
This was cool! I would love to see a 'What if everything went Terrible for France', mainly because France has had such a tumultuous history and was also surrounded by enemies on all sides (Habsburgs and England).
If George Washington was like Napoleon, that would be an interesting scenario.
Better yet, Napoleonic wars don't happen, instead France had a revolution that's relatively peaceful, and stable, while America has it's own great fear, and ends up with a Napoleon like dictator that ends up fighting a coalition of Spain Britain and France.
"Bukharin leads the USSR and loses WW2"
Where have I seen that?
Oh it's the new or- oh no
Would you be interested in making something like "What if everything went perfect for Native Americans?" :)
Would be cool to see how North America would be divided by the borders of each major tribes.
@@imlivingunderyourbed7845 if it went PERFECT, it won't be divided. Plus, I am sure the natives were better mannered than America, who was founded on the foundation of slavery, exploitation and genocide
I have video idea: what if everything went perfect for Korea.
First on the list, have immunity to old world diease somehow.
@@DOSFSthe Vikings could have given the diseases to the natives unknowingly so they build up immunity when the Europeans arrive
Minor error in the Articles of Confederation section: Vermont was already an independent country during that period and should be shown as it's own country and not a part of New York.
>us loses war of independence
>Britain retains American naval industrial and food power
>Industrial revolution happens early
>no liberalization
You know this is pretty close to the backstory to Code:Geass, right?
Haha! I was hoping he’d make a reference to that in this video
Britain was already well on its way to liberalize even further
What if the Imperial Japanese Navy gain more political influence than the Army over Japan before WW2?
Yes
They did. That's why they went with the nanshin ron plan and not the hokushin ron plan
They did, nothing would change.
So OTL?
They eventually did. If the army had kept influence then Japan would have sought war with the Soviets instead of going for most of the European colonies. This southern strike was championed by Japan's navy.
7:28 just pointing it out, but you made a small mistake with the belgian Reichskommisariat, it was RK Belgien-Nordfrankreich, and it also owned northern france
It's interesting that, at least from this video, "complete failure(s)" relies on more unpredictable and improbable variables and, thus, results in greatly differing results in scale and scope than "complete success(es)".
Or maybe I'm wrong. I just felt like commenting, hehe.
PH should have made a scenario where Yellowstone erupted at full force, probably sometime after the Mexican-American war. The closer to the present scenario would likely be more devastating for the Americans. It would be one hell of a way to lose the Cold War.
You should do “What if everything went TERRIBLY for the British”
it would just be french
Everything is going terribly for the British. What's already happened to London is slowly happening to the rest of the country.
England wins the 100 years wars. In the ensuing years England becomes a colony of France since it's a backwater compared to the newly conquered lands.
English language slowly disappear and English people are seen as quirky French people.
French language dominates the world.
I once saw a Quora question, that asked "What it the English lost the 100 years war?" My first reaction was, "but they did?" Then I realized, that actually... had the Angevin kings managed to take over France, France's northernmost provinces across the Channel would have probably had a worse time long-term.
I mean...Britain was once a global empire that whatever they said happened. Things have gone pretty damn badly
Great implementation of a great idea! Keep it up!
Its crazy that some Americans still think they won the war of 1812 😂
Just as mad as thinking Britain won it. Neither side did, they both still had way too much fight in them for one of them to insist they "defeated" the other.
Only legends remember when the title said "what if everything went wrong for Bulgaria"
This series is gonna be great! The British ending looks good
Agreed
Yes
Can't believe that you basically described the tno lore just without sealion in one of the senerios.
7:13 literally TNO lore (tno reference)
I absolutely love your channel and style of maps, please keep up the great work. Have you ever considered doing a pure historical series where you narrate historical events and timelines, would be cool to have as either a subseries or a separate channel.
6:13 I love how the American flag just fades in and fades out like
*america jumpscare*
Alt title: What if everything went great for latin america and the middle east
I'm pretty sure it's generally agreed the Marshall Plan was an act of US power projection, rather than genuine economic aid, given how small the package actually was when split across its targets.
Bro thought that he could put half of the TNO plot in one of those scenarios and we wouldn't notice.
Video idea: what if everything went perfect for Colonialist Spain?
Ey! Its one of my ideas for the channel, great video!
YES! Bring us more What if Everything Went Terrible!
This is a neat concept, and I am looking forward to seeing more.
Scenario: What if the Dogger Bank incident led to a war between Russia and Britain?
What if everything went perfectly for Japan?
Yes please
Now this is what I truly want
no
I remember I read the comment that suggested it and I saw your reply and wondered when you would make this
Just curious. Is history 2 still happening? It's not in the planned videos, so is it still a ways off or did you not get enough excitement about that idea?
Idea: What if everything went perfect for the Ottomans?
Scenario idea: what if Bavaria and/or Austria formed a south German confederation
like the scenarios and all,
but why is "british" censored in the thumbnail?
Praying for the British citizens 🙏
video idea: what if sablins cue against krushev suceeded?
Could you do: What if everything went perfect for Poland-Lithuania?
The winged hussars
Panslavism, Russia but more functional and with Poland
@@Perrirodan1 And Poland into space
I have a few suggestions, I hope you enjoy:
-What if everything went perfect for Finland.
-What if the Girondin faction won the French Revolution.
-What if Greece got all of its modern territory upfront, right after the revolution.
-What if the British East India Company was nationalised by the British Government.
-What if Ukraine won independence during the Russian Civil War and kept Green Ukraine.
Honestly a video about the Axis victory Cold War timeline would be cool
What's even better is a video game about it The new order or thousand week reich anyone?
"What if everything went terrible for the Romans?" Because it feels like we live in the timeline where it all go perfectly for them.
If it was, we would all speak Latin.
@@henrykkeszenowicz4664 the Roman empire have survived in different forms for more then a 1000 years, almost half of the world speaks a Latin language, (Spanish, Portuguese or French), half of Europe, more then half of the Americas, half of africa. The impact on the western and world civilization is immeasurable. And you have the hutzpah to say history didn't go perfect for them?!
I envision alt history videos made in that timeline about "What if the Romans won the Punic Wars?" with unrealistic ideas like the Romans building a whole new army after losing tens of thousands of men at Cannae or managing to somehow build a navy and defeat the Carthaginians at sea, rejecting those ideas, then coming up with something like Hannibal freezing to death in the Alps instead.
@@vgalis the Greek victory over the Persians and the Roman victory over Carthage make me believe that we live in the alt hist scenario, they are too unrealistic
@@vgalis now when you say it, I need ironic alt history videos made from an alternative timeline, where the unrealistic outcomes of our timline didn't happen.
I would say in the future, choose a single point in history and go from there. A good point for the US would be after the Mexican-American War because that’s when the US gained its modern contiguous borders.
I still think there could be a realistic scenario in which the Confederates succeed even securing some western territories. Afterwards the federal government would lose a lot of authority as it would be established that states are allowed to leave the Union.
The west coast would probably leave as it is so separated from the rest of the US. There could also be a Mormon state established in the Utah area. The other slave states could also leave and join the confederacy. And if this is worst case scenario New England could leave as well.
Scenario idea: What if Everything went Perfect for Napoleon?
I actually wrote an alternate history like this for a college class, quite the interesting scenario and a very interesting video.
Scenario idea: what if everything went perfect for Spain ?
I'm curious to see a follow-up of that autonomous 13 colonies scenario.
love your videos, keep going, I believe you can make it big sometime!
Nicely done
Another great video
I have a fun Scenario idea that I think would make for a good Christmas special. The prompt is this: "What if the Christmas Truce ended WW1?"
I’m so unbelievably Happy that this has happened, I’ve been waiting for this Series for a while
This is an awesome twist on the series! Another idea I have: what if everything went perfectly for a CITY. For example: NYC
* The US Capital is kept in New York instead of being moved to Washington DC following the compromise of 1790
* New York hosts the 1892 world’s fair instead of Chicago
* New York prohibits the Edison Trust from being formed around 1910, keeping the film industry in NY
* New York hosts the 1932 Summer Olympics instead of Los Angeles
There wouldn’t be a great map for this, but you could do a population heat map because the city would undoubtedly be much more populated than it is irl
Please do a What if everything went perfect for Norway scenario
The WW2 scenario is foreshadowing to a future video I bet
If everything was perfect for Brazil since 1810, or when the royal family migrated, it could also go to the perspective of Brazil as a metropolis or independent in a less catastrophic.
10:18 damn, that hurts 💔
Scenario idea: What if Justinian the "Great" didn't ambitiously expand the Eastern Roman Empire, but instead helped preserve the Empire and avoided the problems caused by the reconquest, such as the strain on the economy and leaving the eastern border open to Persian attacks. Basically: What If Everything Went PERFECT for the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium)?
Justinian's reconquests would've went fine if he didn't get wrecked by the plague, though; he was defeated by circumstances outside of his control.
@@nomdeplume9590 No, his reconquests nearly bankrupted the economy and left the Eastern border unprotected, which led to Antioch being sacked. The reconquests also overextended the Empire's borders, which made the conquered land hard to maintain for Justinian's successors. While the plague was a huge factor, Justinian could've stopped after the Ostrogoths counterattacked. Instead he reconquered Italia a second time, which left the Rome and the peninsula in ruins and producing only a fraction of the income it once did.
just happened to stumble on ur channel and i like it please make a video about the philippines my home country
What if everything went perfect for Greece!!!
Yes
Which one tho? xd
Because that could be 4 different videos at the very least xd
@@Pigraider268 the modern state of Greece
What about "what if everything went terrible for Bulgaria?" Considering how bad history went for them, it's likely not much changes
That would just be Ottomans/Turkey retaining Bulgaria and Thesaloniki till modern day
That’s actually a pretty neat idea to use for the series using multiple timelines and divergence points
I thought this was going to be the continuation of the north american superpowers video 😢
Hello I really like your videos and I was wondering if you could do a "What if everything went PERFECT for the Dutch Empire"? I hope you do but if you don't it's fine
10:39 how is the song called
10:20 that hurt
I just realized that music is "symhony of specter classic version".
Should've had one about the Pig War starting a war with Britain
does anyone know the music that's playing at the beginning?
2:33 bros name is on my snowblower
Wold you do a part tow of the worst that could happen to the USA?
7:40 hmm i feel i have seen this one before
7:44 is basically tno
Video Idea: What if everything went terrible for Britain? Either in the 18th century, the 19th century or around 1900.
I love how one of these is basically tno
a sugession
What if everyting went perfect for Greece
5:40 so basically an American HRE
0:25 What is that music?
Shout out to that one guy who came up with the idea
Can you make a video on what if italy's history went perfect?
I'm interested in the ending stuff involving the Confederacy. I'd also like a scenario of just the South winning the Civil War.
Another thing I'd like to see is for the U.S. to fall to monarchism and for Moscow to rise into a democracy, so, like, the Cold War, but reversed. Instead of a democratic U.S. and an unstable union under a dictator in Asia, it's a failed U.S. and a democratic Russian superpower acting as global police or something.
Can you do a what if history went perfect for Sealand?
please do a video on what if everything went perfect for romania
A few suggestions:
- What if everything went PERFECT for South Africa?
- What if everything went PERFECT for Yugoslavia?
- What if everything went TERRIBLE for Britain?
- What if the United States kept Liberia?
- What if the Novgorod Republic united Russia?
7:42 is that a mfing tno reference!?
Great series. I love it, just like: all wars of X, if everything went perfect for X. And the empires series.
What if Austria received the rhineland at the conference of Vienna.
You should actually do a video where the protagonist country just immediatly loses and the video ends
how would a nuclear war look like in different stages of the cold war and modern world
Is the 0:06 clip an inside joke behind edutainment creators now? I swear I've seen it four times with this one.
Idea: What if Napoleon won the battle of Trafalgar?
I would say it gets stuck with the article of confederation that doesnt work
what website does he use to draw maps
What if everything went perfect for the pirates please!
8:49 tno reference?
GREAT SENARIO! LOVE TO SEE IT!
Could you make a video where themDutch keeps new Amsterdam and New Holland?
i think that you should make a video about: what if everything went wrong for western civilization