The fact that Scarlet Johanson was chosen for Ghost in the Shell shoes that this whole argument of "meritocracy" is nonsense... anyone that believes that Hollywood's casting is based on who's actually good is lying to themselves. They hire the seat fillers. The popular actor/actress that's going to get as many people to come watch the movie as possible. That's how capitalism works. So let's not pretend that all the White actors that get hired are there purely because they earned it by being good. Especially when we see how many shitty to mediocre actors are making bank on some of the biggest movies these days.
yes meritocracy may not always happen but it doesn't mean that it's racism. it's economics 101; who is currently in demand and is thus marketable to audiences.
You’re confusing the way Hollywood works with how this competition works. The competition was a merit based competition. What Hollywood does is a different thing all together. Matt is 100% right in this context. That black lady was trying to violate to rules of the competition in order to push a political agenda. She deserved to get shut down.
Hollywood has been known to purposely pick white actors...in the PAST. That's what the whole diversity scuffle was about in the 90s, and it made major headway toward getting representation across races on screen. Today, races other than white are OVERrepresented in US film relative to their actual population ratios. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, it just makes the mix look slightly more mixed than it is. Scarlett Johanssen is one of the greatest voice actors of her generation. But simply because she's white, she'll get hatred for being popular. There are lots of extremely popular celebrities who aren't white and nobody hates on them for making it big. Yet white-haters conveniently forget they exist. Dwayne Johnson, Will Smith, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande, Jennifer Lopez, Oprah Winfrey, Kanye West, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, I got these off a Google search for "most popular celebrities". The list it returned was about half black, a lot more than 13.4%. You've probably seen people who were dismayed that they got a job, trophy, role, etc. due to their race, not their performance. And every time, they were probably black, maybe asian. How come white people never gripe about that? Is it because whites are all too happy to have things handed to them while other races have a work ethic? Or is it possible that nobody is actually picking people just for being white?
I think it gets frustrating to hear people constantly talking about being treated equally yet constantly refusing to act equally .If you hire a white man based on merit and a black man gets turned away because he didn't have the qualification you still get labeled a racist . I don't think it's discomfort it's frustration . Why can't it be a room full of people sitting in a room discussing the best person for the job without making it about race ? Honestly he didn't seem uncomfortable , she did .
Just a piece of information, the last 4 directorial winners of Project Greenlight have been white men. No minorities including women. Are white men the only people with merit in Hollywood or are the judges point of view skewed?
Apparently so if us white men keep winning. But I'm sure if enough people start complaining about it then the Competition will start to be corrupt just like everything else!
+Lee O I think we have here a really frustrating and difficult circumstance where the very real need for diversity in the workplace is clashing with the very real need for a competition to be based solely upon merit. Effie's observation was _absolutely sound_ regarding the treatment of that character and scene and, as an experienced Producer, she should have been taken very seriously in her observation. Regrettably, what would make perfect sense in a real-world situation (seeking a sensitive filmmaker to treat the subject of the film) makes less sense when a number of people are competing - presumably on a level playing field - for the opportunity to do so. Competition = a mandatory level playing field. Diversity in the workplace = a recognition of the exact opposite being the case. You can see how these two forces cannot resolve in one narrow situation.
+Sky Sound Was not aware of this, nor have I considered it thus far. This would certainly give me some pause, though I'd have to be able to look at all the past contestants, and how many represented minority groups, and how they performed in the competition to see if it felt there was some bias in how they were evaluated. Obviously, if there were very few women or POC in the first place, you'd expect a majority of whites to win. But _that_ situation would indicate a very _different_ - and equally serious - problem with the competition, then, wouldn't it? ;^/
@@LifeIsNotorious - Latina is an ethnicity, not a race. And yes you can be racist (or bigoted), even if you have latin spouses, black friends, asian teachers, native american neighbors or biracial employees. There are homophobic parents who send their own gay kids to conversion therapy, and men that can still be sexist or misogynist even though they all have a mother/wife/daughters. A person's proximity to a minority or disenfranchised group, doesn't exempt them from scrutiny. I know of people who place Obama, Oprah, Beyonce, Morgan Freeman, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, etc. in a separate box from other black folk in their brains. This is called compartmentalization. White people will associate certain black people they know personally in their lives (or from TV) and assign them as "exceptions to the rule" - but when they see black people on the street, they treat them as stereotypes. And yet despite doing this, they'll convince themselves that they're not racist, just bc they have a black friend or they like a black celebrity. This level of cognitive dissonance and lack of self-awareness is a pervasive issue among white people.
+Kimberly Fraizer Ben Affleck is a walking meme of idiocity, he showed his true postmodern "progressive" colors on the Bill Maher show attempting to debate Sam Harris but lacked the intelligence to do so. But then he fails to jump here even though every fiber in his bone told him that Matt Damon was being a racist even though he wasn't. If that wasn't Matt Damon his buddy there, you would have seen Ben Affleck explode with white privilege guilt rage because the color of the accused matches his circular logic of reason. (Black person throws race card and white person denies it using logical reasoning therefore black person must be right!)
Jonathan S The problem is that if in everything is not "multicultured" in white collared industries then the default is to blame racism by the minority.
Well if i understand well this ""debate"" For every work the talent is less important than gender or skin colour So for each work, each corporation should have 50% female employees 50 % male employees with 25 % diversity by gender (and we also have to think about handicaped persons) But the "problem" is that there are more white than other colour in the USA so mathematically this is not possible to keep those percentage. So If you take people for their tallent Ideally they have equal chances to get a job. EDIT: In fact they don't have equals chances. Only tallented people will have a chance and they can be male female black white or purple.
I don't hear racism from Matt Damon... Hiring directors based on ideology has led to Dr. What in the... Star Reck Discovery, Mary Sue the last Jedi and some other horrible films and TV shows.
That's why I came to watch the full video. I actually agree with him we shouldn't hire people just because they are black but because they have experience and skills.
She was trying to express that people of diverse backgrounds more than often, have very different experiences than their white counterparts. Therefore, they would be able to convey the story, and get the audience to experience the characters from the perspective of someone who is also of a diverse background. Damon is expressing disinterest in that whole idea and/or concept. The director they ultimately chose was white. The cast of the movie was white. At one point the only person of color in the movie was going to be a driver. Discomfort with that came from that same woman of color.
***** you suspected white supremacists always like to use hypothetical situations to excuse your anti blackness. fuck off *You only have "diversity" problems or racism when a white man is in charge* that's because most of the time when whites are in charge they pick/want to work with people who are the same race as them. then when they're called out on it they want to play dumb
I think everyone has grossly misunderstood Damon's position. He, admittedly, is a little to blame for not being clearer about what he is trying to say, but even after his awkward rhetoric, I think his point is obvious: There is a need and capacity to seek diversity in front of the cameras _of Project Greenlight,_ just as there is everywhere film is made. But that need does not - and, indeed, _cannot_ - extend behind the cameras _of Project Greenlight_ (and only in the case of the filmmakers themselves, not members of the crew) because _Project Greenlight is a competition!_ It's a contest, with rules, and the rules are there to assure as much fairness as possible. In fact, there has already been a layer of preferential treatment built into the show in that every contestant is an untested, budding filmmaker, rather than a wealthy or accomplished veteran. This is a chance for new filmmakers to win an opportunity to work and be seen. Damon's point is not that there's no need for diversity behind the camera. It's that you cannot inject preferential treatment into any kind of _contest or competition._ Can you imagine if State Lotteries chose winners based not on a random draw, but on race, gender, or economic need? Or if horse races could only ever be won by an equal number of male and female horses? Or Las Vegas was required to allow a certain percentage of minorities to win table and card games proportionate to the percentage of the population their race represents? It would make a travesty of gaming and competition. The nice thing about a blind competition, wagering games, or skill-based contest is that it should have _already eliminated_ inherent biases from its rules. That being said, a "face to face" competition like PGL is not "blind;" it certainly does allow room for bias. But I don't think anyone is accusing Damon and crew of choosing a specific filmmaker over another for reasons of bias. Instead, I believe they're just reading a grand statement into something that was, obviously from context, a very specific observation limited only to the situation in _this show_ …not Hollywood in general. Now…all that being said…I still think a white pimp beating up the only lady of color in the story is pretty effed up. But that's a whole 'nother subject…
***** I apologize, Freddie. I can't see it cut off on my end. These days, long UA-cam comments usually have a "read more" link followed by a line count. If you don't see that, it may be a browser issue. I'd respectfully suggest refreshing the page if you've not already done so and see if that helps. If it's more than that, I'd be in your debt if you'd give me a little more detail on what you are seeing and where the text stops. Thanks for bringing this to my attention! :^)
+Grymmorgan this situaton is morally grey at best effie was bringing up an important issue matt damonsplaining makes a tad bit more sense than the snipped snipped versions on media oultet eg insider ,e newsbut its clear that it been spiced up for views and publicity
***** On the contrary. We have no idea what Matt _truly_ said, due to time constraints and editing. That being said, I agree that, if indeed he was making the point that I think he was (a point I believe to be valid, though hardly the last word on the subject of discrimination in cinema), that he did a poor job of clearly expressing himself. He was glib, and left himself open to criticism and ridicule. Nonetheless, I think knowing a person's motivation and true intention is crucial to understanding their meaning. And dismissing or vilifying people based on individual statements - and, sometimes, even individual _word choices_ - is hardly rational…to say nothing of an utterly ineffective way to develop a constructive dialogue on any subject.
+Grymmorgan I think as well as Matts point is, I think herpoint was just as well. Such is that she believes the best person for the job would be that of a non-white person so that when directing such a scene as a white pimp beating the only girl of color, the director would be more careful about how the scene plays out. True, a white directer could direct the seen well I'm sure too, but it's possible a black directer could do it better because they grew up that way. No matter how hard any white person tries, they have no idea what black people go through in their lives because white people wake up everyday being white, they go throughout their day being white, and interactions with other people as white people.
She basically said to be careful how you display minorities in your films. Not that hard to comprehend. Especially when the only minority is a hooker who gets beat by her white pimp... Like by all means tell your story, but be conscious of how it looks to everyone else. The People commenting on this are talking about how Damon is taken out of context. But its pretty clear. She said "Be careful of how you represent other races on film..." and Damon says "...yeah, but we picked this guy so diverse representation shouldn't matter right now...." Like WTF?
@@matt-jc4lyWhat are you talking about? So a black person getting offended by negative representations of black people on screen is automatically a racist now? After centuries of such negativity being one of the reasons the black community was held down for so long because people tended to believe what they saw on their screens. You coming up with that outlandish conclusion shows the position of your own heart as a person. Would you like it if you saw someone of your own caliber being so badly represented on screen like that? Would you also like it if someone had the audacity to call you a racist for not liking it? Do unto others what you will have them do unto you. SMH.
@@chetachiabiaka674 Your talking about changing other peoples work to specifically cater to black peoples feelings. I see prostitutes of all different races on the streets.. Its not just black people. Your just being over sensitivity about see YOUR race up their. So what? you want to make it a white prostitute and a black pimp? I would have 0 issue other then you are changing the hard work of someone else. Its not your god damn story, its theirs. Wake up, Its 2023 and you ARE NOT OPPRESSED, Your just a crybaby with a victim card
What I got from this small snippet is that all Effie was saying, is be sensitive to the scene that is going to be produced. And any competition should be won by the best person not the worst person.
@@illapuproductions What points was she right about? That it's better to choose by race than by merit? Was Matt made wrong by the subsequent poor performance of the person he put faith in? I seriously do not understand how this is a difficult concept.
@@illapuproductions The guy they went with was the most talented and original director, the problem is that he chose to go with his own half-baked script instead of working on the one they already had.
In a room full of white people there is one black woman fighting for diversity on her part. This really makes me mad. They think they understand it, but they've never tried understanding what it's like to not get a part BECAUSE you're black, or not "pretty black" like beyonce or will smith. There are so many minorities out there who can act better than current A list actors (matt damon is definitely one of them, ben affleck, nicholas cage, etc) and many of my white brothers and sisters cant seem to comprehend that. I'm sad
By my count there are 8 people in that room. Black people make up approx. 12% of the US population. So having one black person in the room is actually an OVERREPRESENTATION of black people. Do you not understand how statistics work? When your race makes up barely over 1/10th of the population, you ARE going to be the only person of your race in the room quite frequently. If you can't handle that, there ARE countries out there where the population is 90%+ black people that you can move to. And being a hollywood celebrity, I bet you could even live quite well there...
Conor Corrigan nba, NFL are like 70% black. What's your point? Hers is that there are many poc that can do the job but are not given the opportunity, and then movies portray them all the same.
OSO_94 And there is not a shred of evidence for that conclusion. How do movies portray black people all the same? Whose being excluded and where is your proof that this is because of racism?
For the ones who don't know, Matt interrupted Effie while she was talking and said something like "we have diversity in the cast, not in the production". To me that translates to = we show the public some diversity but in reality whites call the shots behind the scenes. effie was blackballed fpr 5 yers, she stated that no one wanted to work with her until another black creative lee daniels fought the studios to put her on his project.
That’s a pretty damn scathing perspective.. I truly truly don’t think Matt Damon had the social intelligence to consider that the outcome of what he was shooting for would end up being a majority white or upper class abundance of directors.. I think he simply thought that the competition has standards and that if the black director showed incredible competency and marks, they would obviously be picked.. as there’s nothing in Damon’s history that would show that he is racist. I can understand why you thought that.. I’m sure in a country where it feels at any corner, someone could have racist intent.. that must be exhausting. Also it’s simply not correct. You have so many black moderates and republicans who seem to see that it isn’t about race on the right except for the extreme right… it’s about individualism and personal responsibility above all else
I didn't understand what he meant by "you do it in the casting of the film not in the casting of the show" what did he mean? and what is the difference in the sentence between "film" and "show" ?
Abdul Gemayyel casting of the show means the behind the scenes ppl. Like the directors and ppl who make the decisions. Casting for the film means the actors. So he was saying only care about putting poc in front of the camera and not behind it.
Perhaps Matt Damon was just being honest and saying how thinks work right now, not how it should work. I commend him for not being afraid to be politically incorrect, and let's just remember : he agreed to be on this show (didn't need to). His comments, love it or hate it, might actually help advance things.
Marc P. I agree with you. Yet the appreciation of art is far from a scientific endeavor and that lack of objectivity might pave the way for prejudices (cultural or otherwise) to creep in. If a panel of judges do not contain any African American member ( or anyone who has a good knowledge of African American culture) then this panel runs the risk of being biased against African Americans, doesn't it?
Mottahead this is why we will never be a whole country people like you and others see people as African American or Asian American or Hispanic American. We are just American there is no African culture in America or Asian culture if they want then cultures they can go to those countries. Now I agree with you there should not be prejudiced or bias in such movies
Marc P. Actually I wish it were that way. And I agree with you: it would be a lot better if we called people by their names (instead of labeling them).
+Mottahead Matt Damon's comments on merit were spot on. The authoritarian leftists seem to believe affirmative action or quotas should trump merit and skill.
I think he is right for the most part. What he said might not be very articulate or complete, but in an ideal world people are hired based on their merit alone, not on the color of their skin. Having said that of course ethnicity and culture offers perspective, but the very first consideration should be their talent as a director. I think he was just giving her pushback in a mostly off the cuff creative conversation, and it is being taken out of context for entertainment purposes. This is not a reason for people to freak out on the usually thoughtful, understanding, compassionate, and politically concerned person that he seems to have been in the past.
+Thankyou3403 Always statements are almost always troublesome. I would vote for a candidate to a certain extent because they are black, but I think this discussion is in a long series of discussions about that script and whether they even wanted to keep that character the way it is. And the director that he wanted was the one that was happy with the script the way it was. I think that a director doesn't need to be of the particular ethnicity to portray ethnicity, race, diversity, racism etc. And that is because an artist is someone who learns or attempts to learn how to objectively relate to all people in a way that is measured and fair or not so for artistic expression, and hopeful the result is something that teaches people tolerance and truth at the same time. Hollywood obviously has issues when it comes to race and racism, and sometimes in the content itself. Consider like in Cold Mountain they replaced Ruby with a white woman. If you read the book you can clearly tell that Ruby is mixed raced, and this is what adds tension to the friendship that she has with Ada- the fact that the war has been going on, and they come together and make their own little piece of heaven and family. It adds layers of emotional tension and release. And by getting rid of the color of her skin they ruined that movie imo. The US itself obviously has a history of racism- institutionalized racism exists in all regions and walks of life. But in this particular discussion in this particular competition he is simply saying that if they wanted the competition to select from minorities then that is what the competition should have been- to select from minorities. At the same time she has a fair point about someone of a certain race possibly understanding racism and diversity in the US, but why would you let go of a Quinten Tarantino etc just because they don't match the race of one of the characters in a story. I think there is a place for a minority director competition and Hollywood could use some perspective when it comes to race, but the first priority is the quality of the artist.
Yeah, upload an unedited version so we can actually make up our minds as to whether Damon was being rude or not. The ideas being broached are both fine, one party (Damon) says he thinks the people who got the job were the best candidates, another group (Effie) says she wants people of ethnicity to direct. Thats a reasonable discussion to have, regardless of which side you are on. The only issue is was Damon being disrespectful towards Effie by speaking over her, interrupting. It looks like he was, but we don't see the start of the conversation, for all I know Matt was bringing up something and Effie interrupted HIM, and then he interjected into HER interruption to clarify his point. But I have no way of knowing because the video starts with her already mid-sentence.
Dude, is English your first language? She never said anything about the ethnicity of the director. She said it's important to choose a director who best handled the only minority cast in the movie who then then had a white pimp. She didn't say hire them because they are black. She said, pick people who will tell the story of a black woman the way she would tell it.
vin payne Thats semantics. Shes advocating hiring someone who she feels will be able to handle that one character in the way Effie feels it should be handled. And the reason she doesn't think the chosen people can do it is because they don't share the ethnicity. She is saying, hire a black person so that they can accurately portray this black character, because non-black people won't be able to do it.
+tomhg38 Hold on, what if they decided to change the scene and instead make it all white, would that mean that she shouldn't be selected as she wouldn't be able to resonate with the character's race?
Why is this such an issue, he makes a perfectly valid point - People are more aware of diversity in front of camera then behind it (not saying that they arent aware, but people are much more concerned with lack of diversity in characters then what they are diversity in producers and DOP's)
Who are you people? Do you guys ever think beyond yourself? I guess minorities shouldn't have jobs behind the camera... I also guess a minority director, producer, or DP couldn't offer a different perspective.
Im not disagreeing with that one bit, and dont put words in my mouth, I think minorities should 100% have jobs behind the camera. My point, and I think Damon's (in my opinion) is that people are for more aware of a lack of diversity in front of the camera than they are behind it. He might be of the mind that the best way to change that is to improve the diversity in the casting of the characters because people are aware of characters on screen more than directors or DOP'S. Recent examples of this awareness have been seen in criticisms of the casting for; Exodus - Gods and Kings, Ghost in the Shell and Pan.Ghost in the Shell and Pan are good examples, because in both cases, the characters in question; Asian and Native Indian respectively were cast to be played by Scarlett Johansen and Rooney Mara (two women who are both white). Now of course, in the case of Pan, the anger didn't change the casting, but it didn't mean people weren't aware of it. However, no one got angry at the fact that the director and the main writers of Pan were white, and of course, because its not seen doesn't mean its not there, but its also precisely the reason why its not as publicized. The same can be said for Exodus, people were very mad that there was a lack of diversity in the cast - but there was a severe lack of outrage that the director and the four or so credited writers were all white. The way society is, especially with film and TV, if you dont see it, you tend not to know it. Now, Im not saying I agree with that mindset, but that is the way it seems to be, once people see change, they will want more - you see change on the screen and change will come off the screen. Oh, and please dont ever put words in my mouth again, its really really unbecoming of people.
If people really were picked on merit alone than there would be no need for quotas or forced diversity, based on the notion talent would be spread evenly and randomly amongst all humans. If only white males got important jobs that would suggest some bias or only white males are mostly talented. Damon is right to want to pick on merit alone but that's not really what happens in the real world.
It's not even what happened in the show. They picked a guy they thought was cool and reminded them of "them." The guy ended up creating a shit show of a movie that was borderline unwatchable and Project Greenlight is effectively no more.
You can't do that due to the inequalities that occurred for so many years both systemically and economically. Race and Economics show and prove this. So the merit would always go to white men do to economics.
you're missing effie's point. Just because someone has the most experience does not mean they have the relatability to the story. Imagine being a highly awarded male director, who is now is tasked to direct a film about a woman who has experienced 3 miscarriages and is struggling to get pregnant. You have to ask yourself, what the hell does a man know about miscarriages, pregnancy and women's reproductive issues. Would he be able to put a story forward in the most honest and authentic way? Probably not.
The thing he doesn’t take u def consideration was speaking about Merritt is that a lot of white people have had advantages that people of color have not had. There’s a thing called environmental racism that holds back a lot of people of color. It’s not that white producers just happen to be better, there is a reason . White peoples are giving opportunities in order to build a résumé that is suitable. It’s important to have people of color in those spaces in order for them to get the opportunity to have the proper background in order to be considered elite in filmmaking. In addition to that she made a wonderful point that if your film crew is not diverse, they will not realize some of the detrimental and harmful storylines. They are putting out there.
In a perfect world, it should be based on "merit". If we want to put this in perspective, we need to eliminate and not focus on race because race to me is "humanity". However, we cannot eliminate diversity from a film or casting just because someone such as the director is talented. I believe she reacted because she is not only looking for 'merit" but someone with an open mindset and an understanding of human experiences and cultural narratives. Movies are not just about white or black talented directors or actors; in essence, it is about the depiction of individual narratives, experiences, culture, traditions and values. As a visual artist, it is easier for me to decide what colour, what shape or what medium I want to explore and use. When creating a film, I feel it is more complex and not materialistic like paint. Films are a depictions of supposedly real human experiences. Each viewer that watches this show will have a different perspective based on their values, experiences and traditions. I do understand Matt Damon point of view's. Nevertheless, I just feel it is not easily said and done. With that being said, I think "merit" & "diversity" can go hand-in-hand. In my humble opinion, its a matter of perspective, narration and a little empathy along the way. I think one person I would like to hear about this topic on "diversity" is Steven Spielberg which is a JEWISH DIRECTOR that produce and directed, "Colour Purple", which was mostly an all African American cast. This movie was beautiful done. I think we need to hear from his perspective.
I've been reading these comments and I'm sorry I cant respond to all of them but all I will say is I'm not looking to Hollywood to solve diversity and minority issues. We have the ability now to take care of this ourself. Take the power into your own hands and don't rely on someone else. You may have the next great idea. I have resources. I can help.
+Sky Sound Director role should be based on merit not diversity. Having a black guy there does not mean the film will be great or a good investment. People vote with their wallets when they watch a movie and Fantastic 4 reboot was a great example. You change and distort in the notion of diversity and then the people naturally respond to a train wreck.
+finalfrontier001 nobody's arguing what you're saying. This reply is the reason I don't like to respond to these comments. You guys have no idea what we are talking about.
“The Changing rules to the competition”. Well when it comes to understanding how to write for a Black person no one in that room except for the sister would even be able to start to compete. There’s a difference of understanding someone culturally and having a perception of who a people are.
I believe the pimp in the movie is white?! So is the Black lady allowed to write for the white actor based on your theory. You see how rediculous you sound
@@drrd4127 Your analogy is illogical and has no grasp on the reality for the roles played by black people in Hollywood. Why would a black person need to be concerned how a white person is written in a story due to the fact they are always cast as the hero’s or given positive roles. That’s writing done by white people and the writing done by white people for black people, well this short clip give a perfect example of how that turns out. And is also a perfect example why black peoples roles should be written by black people. This is obvious, Either your slow or purposely ignorant.
@@snorgonofborkkad you mean the only black women in the room that would have an actual perspective on the black experience of what black people go through in the film industry ...you worm lool damn you're the worst and it woulda been cool if you were joking but the fact that you're actually serious just makes you a bigger weasel..yuck
@@Sauce1011 He wasn't denying her experiences, but it's not okay to choose the winner just under the aspect of ethnicity. He wanted to make clear, that the premise of the show was to pick the ones, who are most talented. So what's wrong here?
@@mco7478 you figure it out here's a hint start listening when they mentioning black prostitute.....can't be bothered with clowns viewing the world as a circus
@@Sauce1011 yeah...she was saying, that they have to pick carefully, who they should take for this specific job, but being a poc doesn't make you inherently the best for the job. It could give some orher perspective, maybe, but this could be so different from person (oc) to person(oc), too. I stick to my first argument, unless you can convince me otherwise.
Matt Damon is right on this one. I hear what Effie Brown is saying, but at the end of the day you choose the best director. That's what the competition is about, basing it entirely on merit of who is the best director for the project green light show
Jay Jones hey jay do you know if project grew light even tried to search for minority directors. Merit is great but lack pf opportunity for poc will mean merit always belongs to White people who have never been discriminated against
Jhanvi Motla why would you try to search for minority directors? You search for the best director. You say white people have never been discriminated against, but if you go out of your way to search for a minority director, you are discriminating against white people. Besides who on earth wants to be hired because of the fact that he/she has darker skin. Don’t you see how wrong that is? Remember what mlk said? “I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” Matt damon wants to hire a director based on the content of their character (merrit). Nothing wrong with that.
@@daan260 have you looked at actual statistics, though? The majority of films that are green lit and funded in Hollywood are by white men. This is not because these men are the most talented or successful, it's because they are able to take advantage of an archaic system that was built on sexism and racism. In order to combat this, paths have to be forged to support diverse creative voices. You can have your own opinion, but why don't you read up on the experiences of PoC and female creatives to get a broader insight?
Both points are correct. You do get the best capable person, but they will always more likely be white people because they have privilege and can sow benefits and propell further in a society made for them. The solution to this problem is to have better and EQUAL opportunities for all, so that the best qualified will not be because of systemic racism, but because of equal opurtunity. An unequal starting line between whites and minorities can already discredit those who are qualified; if it weren't for the racist rooted system, perhaps a person of colour with that opportunity would have been hired in the place of the white person.
I wish I could of heard more of what she had to say. Although I think they both made great points, I think there is bountiful talent in poc that has gone overlooked. In all honesty, I do not know why people need to wait on these opportunities. Just go for it. Team up, gather your resources. Its possible to make it happen.
What great points did Effie Brown make? If we want to tap into talents that are being neglected because of their race, then we need to stop picking on the basis of race. Effie Brown wants to pick only based on race, Matt Damon wants to pick only based on talent.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness they've never looked at race tho?? So how's it gonna be stopped. It's always been yt folks. Representation isn't hiding the marginalized identities of ppl to have an equal playing field. It's thoroughly acknowledging the identities and work a little bit harder to incorporate that into changes such as actors or directors of color or other marginalized identities. Not being afraid to do so as well.
@@sxo2320 It hasn't always been white folks. There are about 13% black people in the US population yet some 35% of celebrities are black. Black people are WAY more likely to become celebrities than white people are. Affirmative action already happened in the 80s, when are you going to wake up and see that? What we have now is the same thing we had before, only now the colors are changed. Before they rejected people because they were black, now they give people special benefits because they're black. When are we going to just hire people based on talent and stop worrying about their race? Stop pretending affirmative action never happened; you're working so hard to tear down everything it worked so hard to build up! Are you actually opposed to racism? Or are you just trying to swap which race gets the privileges?
I like how Matt puts words into her mouth. Effie was talking about how it's important for her to have someone who will be sensitive to the story. Of course a good director will worry about that! Matt took it on a tangent about diversity was completely unnecessary.
He did not put anywords in any mouth. Effie wanted the director with a good insight Matt wanted the best director choosen from a diverse pool of directors
@@MichelleRedSoul Here is a DIRECT quote from Effie Brown in the episode: "I love the fact they're diverse in and of themselves being a woman and he's also a person of color." This clip removes that context. So you're claim is Demonstrably false in that Damon "puts words into her mouth" (he never quoted her so this couldn't possibly be true anyways), or that Brown "didn't even mention diversity." She directly mentioned diversity and furthermore it was necessarily tied to her argument that this duo was the best pick for directors. Maybe you could at least watch the episode in question before making completely false claims. 👀
+Dao Yang He's saying that the winner should be the best at what they do, and race should have nothing to do with it. Winners should not be "crowned" based on trying to meet an objective to make the competition diverse. In other words, if the best director happens to be white, then so be it. It would be just as racist to name a black winner simply for the purposes of making the competition diverse. The girl disagrees with this and is upset about the lack of diversity...
Texaroni1231 oh i get it now. But there is one flaw to that. The producers are always on the lookout for British or people who look Anglo Saxon. Look at Henry Cavill, he had a horrible start but he's now the biggest star for being in Man of Steel. All the while Daniel dae Kim or Rick Yune gets no other roles for any movie. There is money to be put behind white actors but never any behind actors like Rick Yune (John Tran in fast and the furious). It's because producers are under the belief that connection through media only exists from the pigment of ones skin. If one looks like a white person and is playing a badass cop, then the majority will be able to find connection through their skin color and features. I mean you could try to convince me that non white people can't act. But you might have to hit me on the head a few times with a steel pipe.
According to the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) almost 70 per cent of the studios’ annual revenue from box office now comes from international markets. The box office in the biggest Asian markets totaled $10.5 billion last year, just ahead of the $10.4 billion achieved in the US and Canada. Supply and demand right? More Asian lead roles !
who says the best director is not chinese black japanese polish salvadoran etc? i dont know who is in the competition however he acts like she is asking him to throw a race in favor of the black one and that is not what she was trying to say.......... but oh..... how could he get her point when he was too busy over talking her. and with racial tensions in this country as they are right now, since you do have a white pimp hitting a black hooker you better be careful and sensitive to how that is filmed...... that was all she was trying to say.
Am I the only one that doesn't understand any of this? I don't see what the big deal is...also, I think Damon is getting slammed for absolutely nothing. Even watching this excerpt doesn't explain anything. I guess I'll have to watch a clip that shows more of the preceding conversation. So, Effie is saying they should pick a director that's female and/or non-white? To add to the diversity within Project Greenlight? And, Damon basically said, I understand the feeling of need for diversity; however, we should choose the director based on merit, not on their sex or race? Am I getting that right? So, what's wrong with that? I just don't see a problem here. I didn't feel like anything he said was racist...
i actually can't believe we live in an age where you have to defend the core principle of competitions. the best wins, end of story. equality is about giving the equal chance to everyone, not about modifying the outcome in favor of any minority.
@@notsurex Alright, let me look it up… Lol oh look at that, Matt Damon is ranked 12th in worldwide aggregate box office numbers with his movies earning a combined $5,661,022,829. What was that you were saying about making yourself look stupid?
@@Ward413 suburicon, ford vs, great wall, no sudden move, downsizing, last duel all flops and didnt make 2.5x the budget. and thats just to name a few.j ust say you're a white supremacist, and quit wasting my time. blocked
Imagine, with the authority of a god, telling a black woman that white people can tell their stories better. They must just act in them. Urgh, so frustrating
Haven't seen the show but if the goal of the project is to make the best movie than the culture diversity argument has merit because the perspective could add something but if the goal is to provide an opportunity to the best person (regardless of the impact the movie) than MD is right imo.
***** I don't think you understood what I said (or else you didn't read it properly). I actually looked up the premise of the show's 4th season there. It was a talent contest for the best director NOT how can we make the best movie so diversity isn't applicable like it normally would be in the movie industry.
I think it is important to simply consider a different perspective on the producer side. Simply put, someone who does not check the box of a highly educated and westernized straight-white-male who has never been below middle class. They always dominate creative projects, especially in Hollywood. Brown just wants to throw in more diverse people behind the camera which is still a struggle to this day. (Usually below 20% of the industry is diverse behind the camera, my thoughts).
not wanting to cause a ruckus or anything, but it seems evidently clear that no one else there is actually bothered by race. the comment by damon was not racist. effie was the only person here that actually took his comment as a racial attack. and so common in most instances, colored people will always make race an issue.
I know this was 5 years ago but this is so funny to me. Of course no one else is going to se an issue, they aren't black. They've NEVER seen the world through the lense of a black person and have never experienced racial prejudices. Matt Damon being a white man had no right to tell a black woman how to handle race within the movie as he's never had to think about it. Effie was 100% right about her thoughts and feelings being the only black person in a room of white people. People of color don't make race an issue because it always is an issue. You just don't see it because you don't experience it. And don't call us colored people this isn't the 1900s.
@@montyb969 Funny how you claim so much discrimination, yet you talk down to and order white people around, just because they are white. Maybe a bit of self awareness might be in order?
Merit behind the camera and consensus in front... He who bankrolls decides the rules of competition. And that's fair. And so, the issue should be the need for diversity in bankrolling... And the benefits of pitching the concept to a broader cross section of potential bank rollers... Hat's off to Matt Damon for contributing to the arts... Please continue. We simply need more Matt Damons but from other walks of life. That is all.
Yeah, lets think of his comment this way. When casting for movies/films ect... it is important to represent many different cultures and nationalities when possible. This better represents society as a whole and media should represent that. When it comes to hiring someone for a job, you should hire people based on who has the highest merits. If you are going for heart surgery and there are 5 doctors, 4 are black and 1 is white. The 4 black doctors all graduated in the top 5% of their University and each has over 10 years doing heart surgeries, whereas the white doctor just passed well enough to finish school and hasn't had his first job as a surgeon - which doctor should you choose? Is their race or skin color an important consideration in this case? HIs only comment is that this competition is based on merit not race. Therefore, to bring up racial issues of the teams at the last moment of the competition is not being true to the nature of the contest.
This is a creative art. Not a science where people will literally die if you stray from the beaten path. Providing diverse and TRUE perspectives is what makes the art of filmmaking valuable. Could you imagine if the concept of the movie "Friday" was just given to the most technically educated filmmakers, even if that meant not having a black perspective included?... Instead, along WITH their experienced, white director, they had a black director with nothing on his resume, but would go one to direct Set it Off, Law Abiding Citizen, a Fast and Furious movie, and a Men in Black movie. And it all started because his perspective was valued in the making of his first movie.
I haven't been watching very much TV recently. What show was this from. I'm not quite seeing the context. The black women mentioned the potential casting of a black women for a roll of a prostitute , and the potential treatment of that characters portrayal. If it is not key to the story that the character be portrayed in a certain way then there is some wiggle room to promote a more favorable portrayal. It seems like there is more context to consider though.
Robert Swift Project Green light . Found it. Now I can look up the context. There is a lot to reconsider in the area of diversity. Meritorious vs. Diverse Representation and Inclusion though Affirmative action just for the sake of doing so or even obligation or courtesy, despite weather or not the added perspective is necessary to the show.
Robert Swift I looked at a few more videos. I agree with both Matt Damon's and Denzel's point of view on the issue, because the process happens in phases and all current consideration and changes depend on the processes that happened first.
Matthew Sky Osborne Sky Sound This topic was interesting to me so I saw some of the show already. Did you have more to add? I am curious in the psychology of people's thoughts.
You see when it come to making money in Hollywood merit not diversity is king. Because as Matt Damon say's indirectly, its their money at stake, no one else's therefore diversity is thrown out the door.
does there need to be diversity in the military? having men women, fighting next to each other on the battlefield? despite the fact that the average male is physically stronger then the average female athlete? look we are all different, some people will be smarter, some people may be stronger, some people can sing, some people are fearless, and of all of those traits, genetics plays a large role. so it is safe to say, that some people, on average, will be smarter, or stronger, or be more courageous, perhaps be taller, so saying that we need equal distribution of people from all groups in all the different kinds of jobs is bizarre, unrealistic, ineffective, and outright dumb. imagine if the black dominated NBA started saying we need equal diversity, and we need more whites, aisans and Mexicans, would the quality of basketball players go up or down? it would go down of course. so why say we need more black directors if no one is stopping blacks from directing? if i go to russia i try their vodka, if i go to france i try their wine and bread, if i go to germany i try their sausage and their cars, if i go to japan i want to meet their electronic engineers, if i go to texas i ride their horses and visit their ranches, etc. all peoples have things that they are good at, we need not try to make russians wine as good as french wine and try to make texans vodka as good as russian vodka, and try to make american sausage as good as german sausage. it is a waste of time and effort. embracing diversity means not discriminating by not hiring a certian people, and not selectively hiring people based ont heir race so you have an equal proportion of blacks, whites, asians, mexicans etc. racism is racism and we need to call it out when we see it, that black women saying we need to hire a black director solely because his skin is a black color is racist. matt damon is not racist for saying we need to hire based on merit.
+historical-oracle ...... this was a pretty racist post... The reason the NBA is Dominated by Blacks is because Basketball is heavy in our culture. There is nothing about being Black that holds us back from anything. We've produced scholars of all sorts, inventors, philosophers, engineers, business men, doctors, judges, Presidents, whatever the skill or profession, we have done it. Don't mistake the constant effects of White oppression for natural genetic skill points. You missed Effie's point entirely. She was concerned about the sensitivity of the topic being handled correctly and rightly so. Black American over-sexualism has been a problem in America since before it's birth. This is led largely by White men over sexualizing Black women. It's historic. Look it up if you are that ignorant of this topic. Matt has a point to give the job to the best person. But too often in America are the White males the go to for "Best in the field" when often it has more to do with "Most relatable" to those in power making the decisions. Blacks are capable of anything. So are Latinos, and Asians, and Native Americans, and so on. To put limits on any group is wrong and bigoted. White people aren't the smartest type of people. It just so happens that some of them have the most available resources in this country. Namaste
+finalfrontier001 Reason and rationality are unknown concepts to the current right. It seems racism, forcing their religious dogma on others, and making the rich even richer at their own expense seems to be the trend.
Piankhi Zimmerman im a libertarian, so im not for putting limits on people by government, and i did not say that black people or any people have certian genetic limitations and certain genetic advantageous, my point was that on AVERAGE, meaning the genetic group as a whole, always on average does better at something and worse at others. i also did not say white people on average are the smartest, actually white people on average are behind jews (who on average are the smartest) and north eastern aisans, (who are second place and white are third). and your right their are other reasons for this not just genetic, environment plays a huge role as well. for example jews over the period of hundreds of years have not been allowed to own land in europe, so to make money they had to invest in their intellectual capital, so they became doctors, lawyers, bankers etc. and over hundreds of years a combination of environment and genetics led them to have the highest average iq of any people, gypsies where also in the same environment and were almost treated exactly same as europeans treated jews, yet their average iq today is not anywhere near the top of the list. i suspect that is because they didnt have it in their genes (on average!). i would honestly love to believe that intelligence is mostly due to culture and environment, because that way i know i could improve mine, but unfortunetly all the latest research shows that specifically iq, stay stable throughout your adult life, and that nothing in your environment can boost your iq, only there are things in the childs environment that can stunt your iq. kinda like height, your genetics determine how tall you are, and not eating enough during childhood can stunt your growth, but eating more then needed will not make you taller only wider. there are no constant effects of white oppression on blacks, that is a mystical fairy tale made up by leftists. in the 1930's 4 million of my people where wiped out in an attempted genocide in ukriane by russians, yet despite ukraine being ruled by russians until the 90's there are not signs of "russian oppression" despite all sort of racism that is rampant on both sides. i can similarily relate the black struggle to the struggle of the jews, and again show you, that after the initial horrrific crimes there is not sublte oppression. basketball is dominated by blacks, as is football, because not only is it in black culture, but because blacks on average, have more muscle mass then whites, and usually are better athletes. im not saying no black can ever be smart enough to be a ceo or something like that. but that in a given group, more blacks will be better suited to be top athletes then ones who are suited to be top ceo's
"In a given group, more blacks and will be better suited to be top athletes then (than) ones who are suited to be top CEOs" ....... I can't disagree with you more. I know plenty of black people with very little muscle mass and athletic ability. Besides hundreds of years of slavery where there was forced breeding for various purposes and an erasing of culture might play a part in muscle mass in the states. We've had self sustaining communities, healthy economic systems, and ran our own businesses. Guess what happened to many of them? They were destroyed by white neighbors. You are grossly ignoring racism and how it affects generations and daily life in America. Look at all the violence against blacks by police officers uncovered via digital video in the past few years (like shooting a 12 year old boy with a toy gun and then claiming this small child looks 21). These aren't special cases. We've been talking about them for decades. Race riots, the CIA and FBI attacking black communities and their enrichment groups, the KKK a terrorists organization allowed to function in the states nearly unchallenged, having a Black sounding name can keep you from a job or a business loan, actually government programs built to help citizens but exclude minority workers, the corrupt legal cycle built to keep blacks in and out of jail, lynchings for being too successful, or just walking down the wrong street, or whistling at a white woman, police violence. This country is centuries deep in oppressing black people and much of it still happens, just in different contexts. We're only decades from Jim Crow laws and it's recoil. 400 years of cataloged oppression vs 40 years of let's all get along and try to live up to what America is supposed to stand for. 400 vs 40. Get off it. No signs of Russian oppression? Have you watched the news in the past couple years? IQ can increase. It's mental exercise. People do it. Especially when they are young. Some are more gifted than others. In any area this is the case. I have a great muscle structure, but I'm also an athlete and would be one even if I didn't. Growing up I was always one of the smarter kids, with a generally higher IQ. This was part natural and part nurture. I was lucky in having more resources, better schools, more opportunities than most. I can clearly see the difference between how I grew up and how others just as smart and able as myself grew up. I'm an entrepreneur and good with languages, though I just started bruising up again on my Japanese. The mind and spirit are stronger than the physical. Don't get caught up in Fox News like propaganda. Oppression of blacks in America is real and hits every part of American life. Especially the entertainment world.
What she was suggesting is that a white male couldn't direct the film in a way that was sensitive to the issue because he isn't black or female. That is pretty insulting and bigoted right there. Matt Damon was just saying he wasn't going to jump on the "affirmative action"--really just another form of unfair discrimination--bandwagon and that the decision was based on merit with no regard to racial background or gender. I applaud him for standing up for standards.
he clearly stated that there so be no diversity on the show...why is that? why only diversity in casting but not the show? only a racist would defend this man. he did not mean they should be chosen on merit that was his way of backtracking he stated there should be NO diversity on the show.
The fact she kept her mouth shut after that and still got blacklisted from Hollywood for five years tells you everything you need to know about this situation.
@@habadasheryjones such a silly comment. 13 years after the last project greenlight and branded A New Generation to highlight, as spoken in their intros, the aim to have a woman director. That's one thing but its SO far from what OP wrote. dont be so quick to respond thinking you got the point when you obviously didnt.
yea she was my unsung hero when this was on. and this series made me give up on Matt Damon. she knew when she spoke up, those dangers and I STAN for her (was hoping she was in Issa's) bc she walked into hell and used her voice
@@habadasheryjones start by taking the stick out of your ass. you missed the entire point and you know it. another way is to delete that comment. there. two suggestions
Even with the complete context, Matt is still off. His underlying assumption is that everyone is on the same level of the playing field, thus merit is the best way to assess these directors. There's a good chance that those people who are a minority have worked very hard to get where they are, just to have Matt and others claim a level playing field. Also, I agree that someone who is black (just as an example) knows the nuances of what it is like to be black than some white guy. This is coming from a white guy. I usually like Matt, but the whitesplaining is too real here.
+Ely Powers Bullshit. You have no proof that there is some type of of racial disadvantage (at least when it comes to the collective, there could very well be individuals whom happen to be racist), when it comes to non-whites. The experiences of people of a specific race, be it black people or white people, are not collective. Being born black does not guarantee that a person will be at a disadvantage, nor does being born white guarantee that the person will be privileged. This is coming from me, who happens to be a non-white. All this talk about privilege is a load of crap.
At this point, it was even. They were all given the same script and budget and asked to shoot a scene. He's not "whitesplaining" he just didn't want to change the competition at this late stage of the contest. She was pushing for a minority director, whether they were the best choice or not. That wasn't fair to everyone that worked hard or harder on their contest submissions. Matt just wanted to choose the best director, and then diversify the cast.
Just gonna add my perspective. Like Doctor Phil's method for assisting people overcome mental/psychological issues where he makes them confront their own ugliness, then to assist them to rectify "personal problems", a prostitute and black lady may be stereotypical and inane, but if you can make people understand the dynamic of our culture & how it actually perpetuates this phenomena it in a deliberate & open, respectful way, that we see for ourselves the problem so that it can be confronted and rectified. I don't see any real benefit we as a humanity would gain if this sort of degradation and other BS results of this horrific monster of a problem in in our culture regarding commercialized sexual intimacy continued when it only takes so little, but so necessary, examination and diligence regarding seeing people as people, and as a people ready to work together for the de-commercialization of something that should belong (real loving sexual relationships) to a non-commercial social dynamic. If we can dream it up in the form of a show, maybe it's not really that hard to address the societal degradation the entire society suffers from as a result of this dynamic, & that such endeavor has more weight and merit to it than "Yet Another Formulaic Exploitation For Which to Become Passive Towards & Angry About." Please forgive me if this confuses you. I'd happily listen to constructive criticism were you to share, because I have a hard time putting things into simple terms sometimes, as well as much difficulty to communicate effectively.
When I first heard about all this I thought damon must have been a real SOB, but I actually don't see the problem with his explanation now that I see the video, he just wants the most talented person to get the job which seems pretty fair. As Irish guy if I was in that position (choosing who gets to direct) I would know not to let the fact that one of the compeitors was also Irish not cloud my judgement, even though being honest I would want them to be the best.
what i don't get is who ever said the world is fair,i'm white and i can tell you no one has ever beat my door down making sure i have equal opportunity
Damon had the balls to be brutally honest. His comment is strict but fair, he looks at the individual first offering a fighting chance. As it should be.
I see Effies point, but if it's a competition, it seems kind of wrong to base anything off of race. Why can't people just agree to disagree, and not see either side as "racist". Effie handled Damon's response with respect, so should you. We should encourage these discussions between two intelligent people on race, not loath the side we disagree with.
So Matt Damon propagates the myth of meritocracy. And here I thought he was smart AND compassionate. "With that and few late fines from the library," he could have learned so much more from Effie than he allows himself to learn when he refused to listen.
You may not like the idea of meritocracy, but it still exists and makes more sense than forced diversity. Forced diversity is choosing based on skin colour and is more racist than what it claims to address.
"When we are talking about diversity, you do it in the casting of the film not in the casting of the show." -Matt Damon. Well, diversity is not something you "do", in the US it usually just appears if you aren't biased in you selection of people.
Well said! But that's not the intention or the reality and for the record I agree with Matt Damon completely. If more diverse people are in casting decisions that absolutely will transfer that same talent to behind the camera.
The way it was said, was that if a jerk. Effie was just trying to point out that the director she saw best may not have the most experience, but the director had the most personal relatability and connection to the storyline and can bring more to the table because of familiarity. Kind of like a Latin guy making a film about an asian family, he may be a famed director, but what does a Latin man know about growing up in am Asian family, figuratively speaking.
I came for ben, and that silver tongued cat don't seem to be much talkative. The word on the streets say he has been rather blue, since his Godzilla wife left him.
The fact that Scarlet Johanson was chosen for Ghost in the Shell shoes that this whole argument of "meritocracy" is nonsense... anyone that believes that Hollywood's casting is based on who's actually good is lying to themselves. They hire the seat fillers. The popular actor/actress that's going to get as many people to come watch the movie as possible. That's how capitalism works. So let's not pretend that all the White actors that get hired are there purely because they earned it by being good. Especially when we see how many shitty to mediocre actors are making bank on some of the biggest movies these days.
Let's not pretend the white guys are hired for being white. They're hired for being marketable. How unfair!
yes meritocracy may not always happen but it doesn't mean that it's racism. it's economics 101; who is currently in demand and is thus marketable to audiences.
You’re confusing the way Hollywood works with how this competition works. The competition was a merit based competition. What Hollywood does is a different thing all together. Matt is 100% right in this context. That black lady was trying to violate to rules of the competition in order to push a political agenda. She deserved to get shut down.
Hollywood has been known to purposely pick white actors...in the PAST. That's what the whole diversity scuffle was about in the 90s, and it made major headway toward getting representation across races on screen. Today, races other than white are OVERrepresented in US film relative to their actual population ratios. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, it just makes the mix look slightly more mixed than it is.
Scarlett Johanssen is one of the greatest voice actors of her generation. But simply because she's white, she'll get hatred for being popular. There are lots of extremely popular celebrities who aren't white and nobody hates on them for making it big. Yet white-haters conveniently forget they exist. Dwayne Johnson, Will Smith, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande, Jennifer Lopez, Oprah Winfrey, Kanye West, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, I got these off a Google search for "most popular celebrities". The list it returned was about half black, a lot more than 13.4%.
You've probably seen people who were dismayed that they got a job, trophy, role, etc. due to their race, not their performance. And every time, they were probably black, maybe asian. How come white people never gripe about that? Is it because whites are all too happy to have things handed to them while other races have a work ethic? Or is it possible that nobody is actually picking people just for being white?
@@TheReaverOfDarkness you forgot freeman Jackson and fox fucktard
Why TF does discussing race makes white people so uncomfortable??
+Pharaoh ..Maybe, they get called racists because they are.
I think it gets frustrating to hear people constantly talking about being treated equally yet constantly refusing to act equally .If you hire a white man based on merit and a black man gets turned away because he didn't have the qualification you still get labeled a racist . I don't think it's discomfort it's frustration . Why can't it be a room full of people sitting in a room discussing the best person for the job without making it about race ? Honestly he didn't seem uncomfortable , she did .
*****.. ....It's not your point...it's the truth.
Did you just generalize all white people as racists? Wow that's a little racist don't you think?
But many times ethnic names on applications get thrown out so you never know what it is actually based on
Just a piece of information, the last 4 directorial winners of Project Greenlight have been white men. No minorities including women. Are white men the only people with merit in Hollywood or are the judges point of view skewed?
Apparently so if us white men keep winning. But I'm sure if enough people start complaining about it then the Competition will start to be corrupt just like everything else!
+Lee O I think we have here a really frustrating and difficult circumstance where the very real need for diversity in the workplace is clashing with the very real need for a competition to be based solely upon merit. Effie's observation was _absolutely sound_ regarding the treatment of that character and scene and, as an experienced Producer, she should have been taken very seriously in her observation. Regrettably, what would make perfect sense in a real-world situation (seeking a sensitive filmmaker to treat the subject of the film) makes less sense when a number of people are competing - presumably on a level playing field - for the opportunity to do so.
Competition = a mandatory level playing field. Diversity in the workplace = a recognition of the exact opposite being the case. You can see how these two forces cannot resolve in one narrow situation.
+Sky Sound Was not aware of this, nor have I considered it thus far. This would certainly give me some pause, though I'd have to be able to look at all the past contestants, and how many represented minority groups, and how they performed in the competition to see if it felt there was some bias in how they were evaluated. Obviously, if there were very few women or POC in the first place, you'd expect a majority of whites to win.
But _that_ situation would indicate a very _different_ - and equally serious - problem with the competition, then, wouldn't it? ;^/
it was women who were considered in the top ten
+Lee O So if the cast and characters were all white, would that mean that she has no merit?
Is there no full unedited version of this?
Matt Damon: race doesn't matter
Effie Brown: race is Paramount
Internet: Damon is racist
He can't be racist he has a Latin wife
@@LifeIsNotorious - Latina is an ethnicity, not a race. And yes you can be racist (or bigoted), even if you have latin spouses, black friends, asian teachers, native american neighbors or biracial employees. There are homophobic parents who send their own gay kids to conversion therapy, and men that can still be sexist or misogynist even though they all have a mother/wife/daughters.
A person's proximity to a minority or disenfranchised group, doesn't exempt them from scrutiny. I know of people who place Obama, Oprah, Beyonce, Morgan Freeman, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, etc. in a separate box from other black folk in their brains. This is called compartmentalization.
White people will associate certain black people they know personally in their lives (or from TV) and assign them as "exceptions to the rule" - but when they see black people on the street, they treat them as stereotypes. And yet despite doing this, they'll convince themselves that they're not racist, just bc they have a black friend or they like a black celebrity. This level of cognitive dissonance and lack of self-awareness is a pervasive issue among white people.
and project Greenlight failed bc of the person Matt picked! lol TRroll
@@LifeIsNotorious of course he can!
@@LifeIsNotorious How can I be sexist against women? I love my mother!
Ben Affleck should have said to Damon: "That's Gross , its racist!!!"
lmao
+Kimberly Fraizer Ben Affleck is a walking meme of idiocity, he showed his true postmodern "progressive" colors on the Bill Maher show attempting to debate Sam Harris but lacked the intelligence to do so. But then he fails to jump here even though every fiber in his bone told him that Matt Damon was being a racist even though he wasn't. If that wasn't Matt Damon his buddy there, you would have seen Ben Affleck explode with white privilege guilt rage because the color of the accused matches his circular logic of reason. (Black person throws race card and white person denies it using logical reasoning therefore black person must be right!)
Jonathan S The problem is that if in everything is not "multicultured" in white collared industries then the default is to blame racism by the minority.
Well if i understand well this ""debate"" For every work the talent is less important than gender or skin colour So for each work, each corporation should have 50% female employees 50 % male employees with 25 % diversity by gender (and we also have to think about handicaped persons) But the "problem" is that there are more white than other colour in the USA so mathematically this is not possible to keep those percentage. So If you take people for their tallent Ideally they have equal chances to get a job.
EDIT: In fact they don't have equals chances. Only tallented people will have a chance and they can be male female black white or purple.
I don't hear racism from Matt Damon... Hiring directors based on ideology has led to Dr. What in the... Star Reck Discovery, Mary Sue the last Jedi and some other horrible films and TV shows.
@Kimberly Fraizer that is a reference to BEN in bill Maher show with Sam Harris on Islam
all the media outlets are snipping this out of context. Here it actually makes much more sense with context.
That's typical though. They know people won't do ANY research before getting outraged and posting opinions on Facebook.
+Garrison Turner That is because, people have never been more dumb at any time in our history. I am starting to wonder if Idiocracy was a documentary
That's why I came to watch the full video.
I actually agree with him we shouldn't hire people just because they are black but because they have experience and skills.
She was trying to express that people of diverse backgrounds more than often, have very different experiences than their white counterparts. Therefore, they would be able to convey the story, and get the audience to experience the characters from the perspective of someone who is also of a diverse background.
Damon is expressing disinterest in that whole idea and/or concept. The director they ultimately chose was white. The cast of the movie was white. At one point the only person of color in the movie was going to be a driver. Discomfort with that came from that same woman of color.
With context, he’s even more of a racist 😅
Funny, the director Matt chose is the reason the movie was so bad the project greenlight no longer exists lol.
Can you give a source for that?
…and yet, here we are. “lol”
HBO MAX just picked it up again. So......................
Greenlight is picked up again.
@@KyleCorwith they picked a Issa Rae this time and I think we all understand why they did that after looking with this clip
She seems displeased that Matt Damon thinks the director should be chosen on merit, not on race. And Matt's the bad guy? Right.
+Bukkake because matt is full of shit and they dont cast on merit but based on race.
***** you suspected white supremacists always like to use hypothetical situations to excuse your anti blackness. fuck off
*You only have "diversity" problems or racism when a white man is in charge*
that's because most of the time when whites are in charge they pick/want to work with people who are the same race as them. then when they're called out on it they want to play dumb
+BriefcaseWanker
Source?
+ZeD
me - dogs have four legs
you - SOURCE? :B
*****
Are you gonna stop playing dumb and post a source on your racism claim?
Or just admit you're salty and making assumptions.
Where can one find this entire conversation?
matt damon and ben affleck talk like they knew what they say, but it is just the illusion of their voice acting.
Both got and Oscar for best script quite early in their career. They have some clue what they are talking about and are not just good actors.
@@Bronzescorpion And their second movie together is greater than Good Will Hunting. Even without an Oscar nom.
I think everyone has grossly misunderstood Damon's position. He, admittedly, is a little to blame for not being clearer about what he is trying to say, but even after his awkward rhetoric, I think his point is obvious:
There is a need and capacity to seek diversity in front of the cameras _of Project Greenlight,_ just as there is everywhere film is made. But that need does not - and, indeed, _cannot_ - extend behind the cameras _of Project Greenlight_ (and only in the case of the filmmakers themselves, not members of the crew) because _Project Greenlight is a competition!_ It's a contest, with rules, and the rules are there to assure as much fairness as possible. In fact, there has already been a layer of preferential treatment built into the show in that every contestant is an untested, budding filmmaker, rather than a wealthy or accomplished veteran. This is a chance for new filmmakers to win an opportunity to work and be seen.
Damon's point is not that there's no need for diversity behind the camera. It's that you cannot inject preferential treatment into any kind of _contest or competition._ Can you imagine if State Lotteries chose winners based not on a random draw, but on race, gender, or economic need? Or if horse races could only ever be won by an equal number of male and female horses? Or Las Vegas was required to allow a certain percentage of minorities to win table and card games proportionate to the percentage of the population their race represents? It would make a travesty of gaming and competition.
The nice thing about a blind competition, wagering games, or skill-based contest is that it should have _already eliminated_ inherent biases from its rules. That being said, a "face to face" competition like PGL is not "blind;" it certainly does allow room for bias. But I don't think anyone is accusing Damon and crew of choosing a specific filmmaker over another for reasons of bias.
Instead, I believe they're just reading a grand statement into something that was, obviously from context, a very specific observation limited only to the situation in _this show_ …not Hollywood in general.
Now…all that being said…I still think a white pimp beating up the only lady of color in the story is pretty effed up. But that's a whole 'nother subject…
***** I apologize, Freddie. I can't see it cut off on my end. These days, long UA-cam comments usually have a "read more" link followed by a line count. If you don't see that, it may be a browser issue. I'd respectfully suggest refreshing the page if you've not already done so and see if that helps. If it's more than that, I'd be in your debt if you'd give me a little more detail on what you are seeing and where the text stops.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention! :^)
+Grymmorgan this situaton is morally grey at best
effie was bringing up an important issue
matt damonsplaining makes a tad bit more sense than the snipped snipped versions on media oultet eg insider ,e newsbut its clear that it been spiced up for views and publicity
+Grymmorgan SO RIGHT AND SO TRUE thousand Thumbs up for you
***** On the contrary. We have no idea what Matt _truly_ said, due to time constraints and editing. That being said, I agree that, if indeed he was making the point that I think he was (a point I believe to be valid, though hardly the last word on the subject of discrimination in cinema), that he did a poor job of clearly expressing himself. He was glib, and left himself open to criticism and ridicule.
Nonetheless, I think knowing a person's motivation and true intention is crucial to understanding their meaning. And dismissing or vilifying people based on individual statements - and, sometimes, even individual _word choices_ - is hardly rational…to say nothing of an utterly ineffective way to develop a constructive dialogue on any subject.
+Grymmorgan I think as well as Matts point is, I think herpoint was just as well. Such is that she believes the best person for the job would be that of a non-white person so that when directing such a scene as a white pimp beating the only girl of color, the director would be more careful about how the scene plays out. True, a white directer could direct the seen well I'm sure too, but it's possible a black directer could do it better because they grew up that way. No matter how hard any white person tries, they have no idea what black people go through in their lives because white people wake up everyday being white, they go throughout their day being white, and interactions with other people as white people.
So whats the background on this? I'm lost.
She basically said to be careful how you display minorities in your films. Not that hard to comprehend. Especially when the only minority is a hooker who gets beat by her white pimp... Like by all means tell your story, but be conscious of how it looks to everyone else.
The People commenting on this are talking about how Damon is taken out of context. But its pretty clear. She said "Be careful of how you represent other races on film..." and Damon says "...yeah, but we picked this guy so diverse representation shouldn't matter right now...." Like WTF?
Reminder Productions just wondering if you made this same on on dear white people vids?
The only people that would get offended by that is racist blacks who hate white and white SJWs who hate whites... spare me
How bout you just stop making everything about race!? NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT FUCKING RACE
@@matt-jc4lyWhat are you talking about? So a black person getting offended by negative representations of black people on screen is automatically a racist now? After centuries of such negativity being one of the reasons the black community was held down for so long because people tended to believe what they saw on their screens. You coming up with that outlandish conclusion shows the position of your own heart as a person. Would you like it if you saw someone of your own caliber being so badly represented on screen like that? Would you also like it if someone had the audacity to call you a racist for not liking it? Do unto others what you will have them do unto you. SMH.
@@chetachiabiaka674 Your talking about changing other peoples work to specifically cater to black peoples feelings. I see prostitutes of all different races on the streets.. Its not just black people. Your just being over sensitivity about see YOUR race up their. So what? you want to make it a white prostitute and a black pimp? I would have 0 issue other then you are changing the hard work of someone else. Its not your god damn story, its theirs. Wake up, Its 2023 and you ARE NOT OPPRESSED, Your just a crybaby with a victim card
What I got from this small snippet is that all Effie was saying, is be sensitive to the scene that is going to be produced. And any competition should be won by the best person not the worst person.
That's what Damon said. Effie said it should be done by race, not merit.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness and effie was right in her points, the guy Matt chose ended up being a failure lol.
@@illapuproductions What points was she right about? That it's better to choose by race than by merit? Was Matt made wrong by the subsequent poor performance of the person he put faith in?
I seriously do not understand how this is a difficult concept.
@@illapuproductions The guy they went with was the most talented and original director, the problem is that he chose to go with his own half-baked script instead of working on the one they already had.
I'm confused with the terminology. can someone tell me the difference between casting of the film and casting of the show? this is not rhetorical.
@@peterregan8919 I see, thank you!
In a room full of white people there is one black woman fighting for diversity on her part. This really makes me mad. They think they understand it, but they've never tried understanding what it's like to not get a part BECAUSE you're black, or not "pretty black" like beyonce or will smith. There are so many minorities out there who can act better than current A list actors (matt damon is definitely one of them, ben affleck, nicholas cage, etc) and many of my white brothers and sisters cant seem to comprehend that. I'm sad
By my count there are 8 people in that room. Black people make up approx. 12% of the US population. So having one black person in the room is actually an OVERREPRESENTATION of black people. Do you not understand how statistics work? When your race makes up barely over 1/10th of the population, you ARE going to be the only person of your race in the room quite frequently. If you can't handle that, there ARE countries out there where the population is 90%+ black people that you can move to. And being a hollywood celebrity, I bet you could even live quite well there...
Conor Corrigan nba, NFL are like 70% black. What's your point? Hers is that there are many poc that can do the job but are not given the opportunity, and then movies portray them all the same.
OSO_94 And there is not a shred of evidence for that conclusion. How do movies portray black people all the same? Whose being excluded and where is your proof that this is because of racism?
For the ones who don't know, Matt interrupted Effie while she was talking and said something like "we have diversity in the cast, not in the production". To me that translates to = we show the public some diversity but in reality whites call the shots behind the scenes.
effie was blackballed fpr 5 yers, she stated that no one wanted to work with her until another black creative lee daniels fought the studios to put her on his project.
"whites" ? Lol you're thinking of another group.
a specific kind of white
That’s a pretty damn scathing perspective.. I truly truly don’t think Matt Damon had the social intelligence to consider that the outcome of what he was shooting for would end up being a majority white or upper class abundance of directors..
I think he simply thought that the competition has standards and that if the black director showed incredible competency and marks, they would obviously be picked.. as there’s nothing in Damon’s history that would show that he is racist.
I can understand why you thought that.. I’m sure in a country where it feels at any corner, someone could have racist intent.. that must be exhausting. Also it’s simply not correct. You have so many black moderates and republicans who seem to see that it isn’t about race on the right except for the extreme right… it’s about individualism and personal responsibility above all else
How come there was a camera here?
I didn't understand what he meant by "you do it in the casting of the film not in the casting of the show"
what did he mean? and what is the difference in the sentence between "film" and "show" ?
Abdul Gemayyel casting of the show means the behind the scenes ppl. Like the directors and ppl who make the decisions. Casting for the film means the actors. So he was saying only care about putting poc in front of the camera and not behind it.
OSO_94 no youre putting words into hos mouth. he meant casting as in casting the directors that make it onto the show lol
Why is Matt Damon catching flack? What he said was perfectly reasonable.
He interrupted her and didnt let her finish, and whitesplained.
I understand what Damon is saying, the way it was delivered was degrading.
@@MidNiteR32 not what happen. If you watch what was happening. He started talking when she finished and she kept trying to get her point in.
@@g.a.b.e7085 he definitely interrupted
MidNiteR32 he did not white splain u racist
He's being fucking honest. Jesus
+Molly Apple ua-cam.com/video/xSf2AMxG3Ek/v-deo.html
"in the casting of the film, not in the casting of the show" what exactly does that mean? For some reason I'm not getting it here
He was saying diversity isn't needed behind the camera, as long as people of color show up on screen
@@mariewhitener9708 And he was talking specifically about the competition. Not film making in general. Matt was 100% right.
SnorgonOfBorkkad doesn’t matter diversity is needed everywhere, people like you and Matt are the prime example. Have a nice day snow possum 🐁✨
angelo 30000 tell me you’re white without tellin me you’re white 😂
@@mariewhitener9708
Damn.... you're pathetic. 😂
Perhaps Matt Damon was just being honest and saying how thinks work right now, not how it should work.
I commend him for not being afraid to be politically incorrect, and let's just remember : he agreed to be on this show (didn't need to).
His comments, love it or hate it, might actually help advance things.
+Mottahead I don't see anything that any rational human being would hate, its only fair that the best person should win
Marc P. I agree with you. Yet the appreciation of art is far from a scientific endeavor and that lack of objectivity might pave the way for prejudices (cultural or otherwise) to creep in.
If a panel of judges do not contain any African American member ( or anyone who has a good knowledge of African American culture) then this panel runs the risk of being biased against African Americans, doesn't it?
Mottahead this is why we will never be a whole country people like you and others see people as African American or Asian American or Hispanic American. We are just American there is no African culture in America or Asian culture if they want then cultures they can go to those countries. Now I agree with you there should not be prejudiced or bias in such movies
Marc P. Actually I wish it were that way. And I agree with you: it would be a lot better if we called people by their names (instead of labeling them).
+Mottahead Matt Damon's comments on merit were spot on. The authoritarian leftists seem to believe affirmative action or quotas should trump merit and skill.
I think he is right for the most part. What he said might not be very articulate or complete, but in an ideal world people are hired based on their merit alone, not on the color of their skin. Having said that of course ethnicity and culture offers perspective, but the very first consideration should be their talent as a director. I think he was just giving her pushback in a mostly off the cuff creative conversation, and it is being taken out of context for entertainment purposes. This is not a reason for people to freak out on the usually thoughtful, understanding, compassionate, and politically concerned person that he seems to have been in the past.
+Thankyou3403
Always statements are almost always troublesome.
I would vote for a candidate to a certain extent because they are black, but I think this discussion is in a long series of discussions about that script and whether they even wanted to keep that character the way it is. And the director that he wanted was the one that was happy with the script the way it was. I think that a director doesn't need to be of the particular ethnicity to portray ethnicity, race, diversity, racism etc. And that is because an artist is someone who learns or attempts to learn how to objectively relate to all people in a way that is measured and fair or not so for artistic expression, and hopeful the result is something that teaches people tolerance and truth at the same time.
Hollywood obviously has issues when it comes to race and racism, and sometimes in the content itself. Consider like in Cold Mountain they replaced Ruby with a white woman. If you read the book you can clearly tell that Ruby is mixed raced, and this is what adds tension to the friendship that she has with Ada- the fact that the war has been going on, and they come together and make their own little piece of heaven and family. It adds layers of emotional tension and release. And by getting rid of the color of her skin they ruined that movie imo.
The US itself obviously has a history of racism- institutionalized racism exists in all regions and walks of life. But in this particular discussion in this particular competition he is simply saying that if they wanted the competition to select from minorities then that is what the competition should have been- to select from minorities. At the same time she has a fair point about someone of a certain race possibly understanding racism and diversity in the US, but why would you let go of a Quinten Tarantino etc just because they don't match the race of one of the characters in a story.
I think there is a place for a minority director competition and Hollywood could use some perspective when it comes to race, but the first priority is the quality of the artist.
Yeah, upload an unedited version so we can actually make up our minds as to whether Damon was being rude or not. The ideas being broached are both fine, one party (Damon) says he thinks the people who got the job were the best candidates, another group (Effie) says she wants people of ethnicity to direct. Thats a reasonable discussion to have, regardless of which side you are on.
The only issue is was Damon being disrespectful towards Effie by speaking over her, interrupting. It looks like he was, but we don't see the start of the conversation, for all I know Matt was bringing up something and Effie interrupted HIM, and then he interjected into HER interruption to clarify his point. But I have no way of knowing because the video starts with her already mid-sentence.
Dude, is English your first language? She never said anything about the ethnicity of the director. She said it's important to choose a director who best handled the only minority cast in the movie who then then had a white pimp. She didn't say hire them because they are black. She said, pick people who will tell the story of a black woman the way she would tell it.
vin payne Thats semantics. Shes advocating hiring someone who she feels will be able to handle that one character in the way Effie feels it should be handled. And the reason she doesn't think the chosen people can do it is because they don't share the ethnicity.
She is saying, hire a black person so that they can accurately portray this black character, because non-black people won't be able to do it.
+tomhg38 Hold on, what if they decided to change the scene and instead make it all white, would that mean that she shouldn't be selected as she wouldn't be able to resonate with the character's race?
um... no. I thought it was an Asian guy.
Why is this such an issue, he makes a perfectly valid point -
People are more aware of diversity in front of camera then behind it (not saying that they arent aware, but people are much more concerned with lack of diversity in characters then what they are diversity in producers and DOP's)
Who are you people? Do you guys ever think beyond yourself? I guess minorities shouldn't have jobs behind the camera... I also guess a minority director, producer, or DP couldn't offer a different perspective.
Im not disagreeing with that one bit, and dont put words in my mouth, I think minorities should 100% have jobs behind the camera.
My point, and I think Damon's (in my opinion) is that people are for more aware of a lack of diversity in front of the camera than they are behind it. He might be of the mind that the best way to change that is to improve the diversity in the casting of the characters because people are aware of characters on screen more than directors or DOP'S.
Recent examples of this awareness have been seen in criticisms of the casting for; Exodus - Gods and Kings, Ghost in the Shell and Pan.Ghost in the Shell and Pan are good examples, because in both cases, the characters in question; Asian and Native Indian respectively were cast to be played by Scarlett Johansen and Rooney Mara (two women who are both white). Now of course, in the case of Pan, the anger didn't change the casting, but it didn't mean people weren't aware of it.
However, no one got angry at the fact that the director and the main writers of Pan were white, and of course, because its not seen doesn't mean its not there, but its also precisely the reason why its not as publicized.
The same can be said for Exodus, people were very mad that there was a lack of diversity in the cast - but there was a severe lack of outrage that the director and the four or so credited writers were all white.
The way society is, especially with film and TV, if you dont see it, you tend not to know it.
Now, Im not saying I agree with that mindset, but that is the way it seems to be, once people see change, they will want more - you see change on the screen and change will come off the screen.
Oh, and please dont ever put words in my mouth again, its really really unbecoming of people.
+Matthew Sky Osborne Sky Sound So you are saying that they should pick a less qualified director because the director is a minority?
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+Josh Fox ua-cam.com/video/xSf2AMxG3Ek/v-deo.html
If people really were picked on merit alone than there would be no need for quotas or forced diversity, based on the notion talent would be spread evenly and randomly amongst all humans. If only white males got important jobs that would suggest some bias or only white males are mostly talented. Damon is right to want to pick on merit alone but that's not really what happens in the real world.
It's not even what happened in the show. They picked a guy they thought was cool and reminded them of "them." The guy ended up creating a shit show of a movie that was borderline unwatchable and Project Greenlight is effectively no more.
You can't do that due to the inequalities that occurred for so many years both systemically and economically. Race and Economics show and prove this. So the merit would always go to white men do to economics.
you're missing effie's point. Just because someone has the most experience does not mean they have the relatability to the story. Imagine being a highly awarded male director, who is now is tasked to direct a film about a woman who has experienced 3 miscarriages and is struggling to get pregnant. You have to ask yourself, what the hell does a man know about miscarriages, pregnancy and women's reproductive issues. Would he be able to put a story forward in the most honest and authentic way? Probably not.
@@VictorGParra except they brought it back and it's awful
@@paulg6527Yes he can direct the movie about womens miscarriages. Assuming he is a Man and that he cant shows your creepy dirty misandry towards Men.
Christ. He was specifically talking about THIS competition, not Hollywood as a whole. Why are people intentionally misinterpreting him?
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DUMB AF 💀
yes, misleading video title. also nice username ;P
That old guy sitting next to matt damon looks like roman polanski
wait...let me get this straight...Matt Damon was advocating for a Vietnamese man and a woman and is being accused of not embracing diversity?
i'm really late to this but, why did people said that damon talked over her when is the contrary?
Because he was cold and dismissive the second race was mentioned. By the only woman of color in the room...
@@karioatmannicholson3715 Because race doesn't matter, anyone who thinks it does is racist.
Because he did
@@shatterpointgames you are clearly the racist
@@david_ngo Nope
The thing he doesn’t take u def consideration was speaking about Merritt is that a lot of white people have had advantages that people of color have not had. There’s a thing called environmental racism that holds back a lot of people of color. It’s not that white producers just happen to be better, there is a reason . White peoples are giving opportunities in order to build a résumé that is suitable. It’s important to have people of color in those spaces in order for them to get the opportunity to have the proper background in order to be considered elite in filmmaking. In addition to that she made a wonderful point that if your film crew is not diverse, they will not realize some of the detrimental and harmful storylines. They are putting out there.
In a perfect world, it should be based on "merit". If we want to put this in perspective, we need to eliminate and not focus on race because race to me is "humanity". However, we cannot eliminate diversity from a film or casting just because someone such as the director is talented. I believe she reacted because she is not only looking for 'merit" but someone with an open mindset and an understanding of human experiences and cultural narratives. Movies are not just about white or black talented directors or actors; in essence, it is about the depiction of individual narratives, experiences, culture, traditions and values. As a visual artist, it is easier for me to decide what colour, what shape or what medium I want to explore and use. When creating a film, I feel it is more complex and not materialistic like paint. Films are a depictions of supposedly real human experiences. Each viewer that watches this show will have a different perspective based on their values, experiences and traditions. I do understand Matt Damon point of view's. Nevertheless, I just feel it is not easily said and done. With that being said, I think "merit" & "diversity" can go hand-in-hand. In my humble opinion, its a matter of perspective, narration and a little empathy along the way.
I think one person I would like to hear about this topic on "diversity" is Steven Spielberg which is a JEWISH DIRECTOR that produce and directed, "Colour Purple", which was mostly an all African American cast. This movie was beautiful done. I think we need to hear from his perspective.
I've been reading these comments and I'm sorry I cant respond to all of them but all I will say is I'm not looking to Hollywood to solve diversity and minority issues. We have the ability now to take care of this ourself. Take the power into your own hands and don't rely on someone else. You may have the next great idea. I have resources. I can help.
+Sky Sound
Director role should be based on merit not diversity. Having a black guy there does not mean the film will be great or a good investment. People vote with their wallets when they watch a movie and Fantastic 4 reboot was a great example. You change and distort in the notion of diversity and then the people naturally respond to a train wreck.
+finalfrontier001 nobody's arguing what you're saying. This reply is the reason I don't like to respond to these comments. You guys have no idea what we are talking about.
+finalfrontier001 U clearly did NOT understand what Sky Sound was talk'n about.
No he didn't. Totally missed the point he did. lol
Interesting... good post my friend.
“The Changing rules to the competition”. Well when it comes to understanding how to write for a Black person no one in that room except for the sister would even be able to start to compete. There’s a difference of understanding someone culturally and having a perception of who a people are.
I believe the pimp in the movie is white?! So is the Black lady allowed to write for the white actor based on your theory. You see how rediculous you sound
@@drrd4127 Your analogy is illogical and has no grasp on the reality for the roles played by black people in Hollywood. Why would a black person need to be concerned how a white person is written in a story due to the fact they are always cast as the hero’s or given positive roles. That’s writing done by white people and the writing done by white people for black people, well this short clip give a perfect example of how that turns out. And is also a perfect example why black peoples roles should be written by black people. This is obvious, Either your slow or purposely ignorant.
I wanted to see this movie more.
I don't understand what I just watched, who I'm I supposed to be mad at?
The black lady pushing woke racism.
@@snorgonofborkkad you mean the only black women in the room that would have an actual perspective on the black experience of what black people go through in the film industry ...you worm lool damn you're the worst and it woulda been cool if you were joking but the fact that you're actually serious just makes you a bigger weasel..yuck
@@Sauce1011 He wasn't denying her experiences, but it's not okay to choose the winner just under the aspect of ethnicity. He wanted to make clear, that the premise of the show was to pick the ones, who are most talented. So what's wrong here?
@@mco7478 you figure it out here's a hint start listening when they mentioning black prostitute.....can't be bothered with clowns viewing the world as a circus
@@Sauce1011 yeah...she was saying, that they have to pick carefully, who they should take for this specific job, but being a poc doesn't make you inherently the best for the job. It could give some orher perspective, maybe, but this could be so different from person (oc) to person(oc), too. I stick to my first argument, unless you can convince me otherwise.
Matt Damon is right on this one. I hear what Effie Brown is saying, but at the end of the day you choose the best director. That's what the competition is about, basing it entirely on merit of who is the best director for the project green light show
Jay Jones hey jay do you know if project grew light even tried to search for minority directors. Merit is great but lack pf opportunity for poc will mean merit always belongs to White people who have never been discriminated against
Jhanvi Motla why would you try to search for minority directors? You search for the best director.
You say white people have never been discriminated against, but if you go out of your way to search for a minority director, you are discriminating against white people.
Besides who on earth wants to be hired because of the fact that he/she has darker skin. Don’t you see how wrong that is?
Remember what mlk said? “I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
Matt damon wants to hire a director based on the content of their character (merrit). Nothing wrong with that.
@@daan260 have you looked at actual statistics, though? The majority of films that are green lit and funded in Hollywood are by white men. This is not because these men are the most talented or successful, it's because they are able to take advantage of an archaic system that was built on sexism and racism. In order to combat this, paths have to be forged to support diverse creative voices. You can have your own opinion, but why don't you read up on the experiences of PoC and female creatives to get a broader insight?
Both points are correct. You do get the best capable person, but they will always more likely be white people because they have privilege and can sow benefits and propell further in a society made for them. The solution to this problem is to have better and EQUAL opportunities for all, so that the best qualified will not be because of systemic racism, but because of equal opurtunity. An unequal starting line between whites and minorities can already discredit those who are qualified; if it weren't for the racist rooted system, perhaps a person of colour with that opportunity would have been hired in the place of the white person.
He wasnt right, the project failed bc of the director he chose
I wish I could of heard more of what she had to say. Although I think they both made great points, I think there is bountiful talent in poc that has gone overlooked. In all honesty, I do not know why people need to wait on these opportunities. Just go for it. Team up, gather your resources. Its possible to make it happen.
What great points did Effie Brown make? If we want to tap into talents that are being neglected because of their race, then we need to stop picking on the basis of race. Effie Brown wants to pick only based on race, Matt Damon wants to pick only based on talent.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness Bye Half of these actors are not getting picked because of talent, especially in this system of white supremacy.
@@thedancevalley2920 You're right! That's why we should stop looking at race and start looking at talent!
@@TheReaverOfDarkness they've never looked at race tho?? So how's it gonna be stopped. It's always been yt folks. Representation isn't hiding the marginalized identities of ppl to have an equal playing field. It's thoroughly acknowledging the identities and work a little bit harder to incorporate that into changes such as actors or directors of color or other marginalized identities. Not being afraid to do so as well.
@@sxo2320 It hasn't always been white folks. There are about 13% black people in the US population yet some 35% of celebrities are black. Black people are WAY more likely to become celebrities than white people are.
Affirmative action already happened in the 80s, when are you going to wake up and see that? What we have now is the same thing we had before, only now the colors are changed. Before they rejected people because they were black, now they give people special benefits because they're black. When are we going to just hire people based on talent and stop worrying about their race?
Stop pretending affirmative action never happened; you're working so hard to tear down everything it worked so hard to build up! Are you actually opposed to racism? Or are you just trying to swap which race gets the privileges?
I like how Matt puts words into her mouth. Effie was talking about how it's important for her to have someone who will be sensitive to the story. Of course a good director will worry about that! Matt took it on a tangent about diversity was completely unnecessary.
He did not put anywords in any mouth. Effie wanted the director with a good insight Matt wanted the best director choosen from a diverse pool of directors
@@dima1478 No he implied that she was talking about diversity when she didn't even mention the word. It's unnecessarily aggressive.
@Kodover215 She didn't even mention diversity. 👀
@@MichelleRedSoul Here is a DIRECT quote from Effie Brown in the episode: "I love the fact they're diverse in and of themselves being a woman and he's also a person of color." This clip removes that context. So you're claim is Demonstrably false in that Damon "puts words into her mouth" (he never quoted her so this couldn't possibly be true anyways), or that Brown "didn't even mention diversity." She directly mentioned diversity and furthermore it was necessarily tied to her argument that this duo was the best pick for directors. Maybe you could at least watch the episode in question before making completely false claims. 👀
@@dima1478matt wanted a director who doesn't have any relatability to the story, but has the most experience.
#damonsplaining I'm crying😂😂😂😂
This video should be titled: "Matt Damon pushes for movie to be directed by capable Director"
And that director was trash.
Capable director?? Lmao...I take it you didn't watch the show.
What is this?
😹😹.
stars has a version if project greenlight and they chose a woman and a man to compete look on demand its called the "chair"
I don't get what Matt Damon was getting at. Can someone explain to me? I was lost as hell.
+Dao Yang He's saying that the winner should be the best at what they do, and race should have nothing to do with it. Winners should not be "crowned" based on trying to meet an objective to make the competition diverse. In other words, if the best director happens to be white, then so be it. It would be just as racist to name a black winner simply for the purposes of making the competition diverse. The girl disagrees with this and is upset about the lack of diversity...
Texaroni1231 oh i get it now. But there is one flaw to that. The producers are always on the lookout for British or people who look Anglo Saxon. Look at Henry Cavill, he had a horrible start but he's now the biggest star for being in Man of Steel. All the while Daniel dae Kim or Rick Yune gets no other roles for any movie.
There is money to be put behind white actors but never any behind actors like Rick Yune (John Tran in fast and the furious). It's because producers are under the belief that connection through media only exists from the pigment of ones skin. If one looks like a white person and is playing a badass cop, then the majority will be able to find connection through their skin color and features.
I mean you could try to convince me that non white people can't act. But you might have to hit me on the head a few times with a steel pipe.
Art should not be about compliance.
Art should be dangerous and made by wild and reckless engagement.
This might be the corniest shit I ever heard. And I make art for a living
Interjections show excitement
#SchoolhouseRock
I don't see the problem? shouldn't the winner be the person(s) who did the best job?
Had made a big mistake giving the project to Jason so is explanation has went completely on founded.
+Kirsten Marshall unfounded* lol
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People must change the minds of hollywood and not they to us , we should show the reality to them and not they to us.
According to the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) almost 70 per cent of the studios’ annual revenue from box office now comes from international markets.
The box office in the biggest Asian markets totaled $10.5 billion last year, just ahead of the $10.4 billion achieved in the US and Canada. Supply and demand right? More Asian lead roles !
No doubt. Hollywood is already kissing serious communist party ass.
Wait are people mad because he said let’s pick the best person for the job based on their merit? What the actual F...?
who says the best director is not chinese black japanese polish salvadoran etc? i dont know who is in the competition however he acts like she is asking him to throw a race in favor of the black one and that is not what she was trying to say.......... but oh..... how could he get her point when he was too busy over talking her. and with racial tensions in this country as they are right now, since you do have a white pimp hitting a black hooker you better be careful and sensitive to how that is filmed...... that was all she was trying to say.
Also be careful with using 0 punctuation.
*****
no....... he was interrupting her and she kept trying to finish what she was saying........
Brownbagit1
lol true...................
+Duske Maiden I am sure there are great directors and great actors/actresses from other racial groups.
+Duske Maiden They will film it in such a way that makes directorial sense and to deliver the impact that the film intends to deliver.
Am I the only one that doesn't understand any of this? I don't see what the big deal is...also, I think Damon is getting slammed for absolutely nothing. Even watching this excerpt doesn't explain anything. I guess I'll have to watch a clip that shows more of the preceding conversation. So, Effie is saying they should pick a director that's female and/or non-white? To add to the diversity within Project Greenlight? And, Damon basically said, I understand the feeling of need for diversity; however, we should choose the director based on merit, not on their sex or race? Am I getting that right? So, what's wrong with that? I just don't see a problem here. I didn't feel like anything he said was racist...
i actually can't believe we live in an age where you have to defend the core principle of competitions. the best wins, end of story. equality is about giving the equal chance to everyone, not about modifying the outcome in favor of any minority.
if the best wins then why does matt damon keep getting work, when all his movies flop?
@@notsurex Lol “all his movies flop.” You know someone has no valid argument when they just make shit up. Unbelievable.
@@Ward413 you could just look up his box office, instead you made yourself look stupid
@@notsurex
Alright, let me look it up…
Lol oh look at that, Matt Damon is ranked 12th in worldwide aggregate box office numbers with his movies earning a combined $5,661,022,829.
What was that you were saying about making yourself look stupid?
@@Ward413 suburicon, ford vs, great wall, no sudden move, downsizing, last duel all flops and didnt make 2.5x the budget. and thats just to name a few.j ust say you're a white supremacist, and quit wasting my time. blocked
It was frustrating to see him talk over her, interrupt her, and basically act like the beacon of knowledge on diversity.
Imagine, with the authority of a god, telling a black woman that white people can tell their stories better. They must just act in them. Urgh, so frustrating
You look for the best, regardless.
Haven't seen the show but if the goal of the project is to make the best movie than the culture diversity argument has merit because the perspective could add something but if the goal is to provide an opportunity to the best person (regardless of the impact the movie) than MD is right imo.
***** I don't think you understood what I said (or else you didn't read it properly). I actually looked up the premise of the show's 4th season there. It was a talent contest for the best director NOT how can we make the best movie so diversity isn't applicable like it normally would be in the movie industry.
I think it is important to simply consider a different perspective on the producer side. Simply put, someone who does not check the box of a highly educated and westernized straight-white-male who has never been below middle class. They always dominate creative projects, especially in Hollywood. Brown just wants to throw in more diverse people behind the camera which is still a struggle to this day. (Usually below 20% of the industry is diverse behind the camera, my thoughts).
In Hollywood? Less!
not wanting to cause a ruckus or anything, but it seems evidently clear that no one else there is actually bothered by race. the comment by damon was not racist. effie was the only person here that actually took his comment as a racial attack. and so common in most instances, colored people will always make race an issue.
I know this was 5 years ago but this is so funny to me. Of course no one else is going to se an issue, they aren't black. They've NEVER seen the world through the lense of a black person and have never experienced racial prejudices. Matt Damon being a white man had no right to tell a black woman how to handle race within the movie as he's never had to think about it. Effie was 100% right about her thoughts and feelings being the only black person in a room of white people. People of color don't make race an issue because it always is an issue. You just don't see it because you don't experience it. And don't call us colored people this isn't the 1900s.
@@montyb969 Funny how you claim so much discrimination, yet you talk down to and order white people around, just because they are white. Maybe a bit of self awareness might be in order?
Matt Damon
Oh dear, the quick 'shut down' speaks volumes....
Can we all stop pretending we're going to watch this film anyway? LOL.
Merit behind the camera and consensus in front... He who bankrolls decides the rules of competition. And that's fair. And so, the issue should be the need for diversity in bankrolling... And the benefits of pitching the concept to a broader cross section of potential bank rollers... Hat's off to Matt Damon for contributing to the arts... Please continue. We simply need more Matt Damons but from other walks of life. That is all.
Lol imagine filmmaking as a competition... what even is that. How do you measure that?
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Yeah, lets think of his comment this way.
When casting for movies/films ect... it is important to represent many different cultures and nationalities when possible. This better represents society as a whole and media should represent that.
When it comes to hiring someone for a job, you should hire people based on who has the highest merits.
If you are going for heart surgery and there are 5 doctors, 4 are black and 1 is white. The 4 black doctors all graduated in the top 5% of their University and each has over 10 years doing heart surgeries, whereas the white doctor just passed well enough to finish school and hasn't had his first job as a surgeon - which doctor should you choose? Is their race or skin color an important consideration in this case?
HIs only comment is that this competition is based on merit not race. Therefore, to bring up racial issues of the teams at the last moment of the competition is not being true to the nature of the contest.
This is a creative art. Not a science where people will literally die if you stray from the beaten path. Providing diverse and TRUE perspectives is what makes the art of filmmaking valuable. Could you imagine if the concept of the movie "Friday" was just given to the most technically educated filmmakers, even if that meant not having a black perspective included?... Instead, along WITH their experienced, white director, they had a black director with nothing on his resume, but would go one to direct Set it Off, Law Abiding Citizen, a Fast and Furious movie, and a Men in Black movie. And it all started because his perspective was valued in the making of his first movie.
Umm, no. It's best to make the best possible movie, and only include the people that are going to do that for you.
I haven't been watching very much TV recently. What show was this from.
I'm not quite seeing the context.
The black women mentioned the potential casting of a black women for a roll of a prostitute , and the potential treatment of that characters portrayal.
If it is not key to the story that the character be portrayed in a certain way then there is some wiggle room to promote a more favorable portrayal.
It seems like there is more context to consider though.
It seems to be a casting competition. I didn't catch if it was for a roll or for a director.
Robert Swift
Project Green light . Found it. Now I can look up the context.
There is a lot to reconsider in the area of diversity.
Meritorious vs. Diverse Representation and Inclusion though Affirmative action just for the sake of doing so or even obligation or courtesy, despite weather or not the added perspective is necessary to the show.
Robert Swift
I looked at a few more videos. I agree with both Matt Damon's and Denzel's point of view on the issue, because the process happens in phases and all current consideration and changes depend on the processes that happened first.
+Robert Swift Project Greenlight on HBO
Matthew Sky Osborne Sky Sound
This topic was interesting to me so I saw some of the show already. Did you have more to add? I am curious in the psychology of people's thoughts.
You see when it come to making money in Hollywood merit not diversity is king. Because as Matt Damon say's indirectly, its their money at stake, no one else's therefore diversity is thrown out the door.
Like Denzel said explained way better diversity is done in the writing
Not entirely sure if this video is meant as a criticism of Matt Damon's position. Quite frankly, I found what he said perfectly rational.
I love how he interrupts her and mansplains to her.
does there need to be diversity in the military? having men women, fighting next to each other on the battlefield? despite the fact that the average male is physically stronger then the average female athlete?
look we are all different, some people will be smarter, some people may be stronger, some people can sing, some people are fearless, and of all of those traits, genetics plays a large role. so it is safe to say, that some people, on average, will be smarter, or stronger, or be more courageous, perhaps be taller, so saying that we need equal distribution of people from all groups in all the different kinds of jobs is bizarre, unrealistic, ineffective, and outright dumb.
imagine if the black dominated NBA started saying we need equal diversity, and we need more whites, aisans and Mexicans, would the quality of basketball players go up or down? it would go down of course. so why say we need more black directors if no one is stopping blacks from directing?
if i go to russia i try their vodka, if i go to france i try their wine and bread, if i go to germany i try their sausage and their cars, if i go to japan i want to meet their electronic engineers, if i go to texas i ride their horses and visit their ranches, etc.
all peoples have things that they are good at, we need not try to make russians wine as good as french wine and try to make texans vodka as good as russian vodka, and try to make american sausage as good as german sausage.
it is a waste of time and effort. embracing diversity means not discriminating by not hiring a certian people, and not selectively hiring people based ont heir race so you have an equal proportion of blacks, whites, asians, mexicans etc.
racism is racism and we need to call it out when we see it, that black women saying we need to hire a black director solely because his skin is a black color is racist. matt damon is not racist for saying we need to hire based on merit.
+historical-oracle Reason and rationality escapes the left completely.
+historical-oracle ...... this was a pretty racist post... The reason the NBA is Dominated by Blacks is because Basketball is heavy in our culture. There is nothing about being Black that holds us back from anything. We've produced scholars of all sorts, inventors, philosophers, engineers, business men, doctors, judges, Presidents, whatever the skill or profession, we have done it. Don't mistake the constant effects of White oppression for natural genetic skill points. You missed Effie's point entirely. She was concerned about the sensitivity of the topic being handled correctly and rightly so. Black American over-sexualism has been a problem in America since before it's birth. This is led largely by White men over sexualizing Black women. It's historic. Look it up if you are that ignorant of this topic. Matt has a point to give the job to the best person. But too often in America are the White males the go to for "Best in the field" when often it has more to do with "Most relatable" to those in power making the decisions. Blacks are capable of anything. So are Latinos, and Asians, and Native Americans, and so on. To put limits on any group is wrong and bigoted. White people aren't the smartest type of people. It just so happens that some of them have the most available resources in this country. Namaste
+finalfrontier001 Reason and rationality are unknown concepts to the current right. It seems racism, forcing their religious dogma on others, and making the rich even richer at their own expense seems to be the trend.
Piankhi Zimmerman im a libertarian, so im not for putting limits on people by government, and i did not say that black people or any people have certian genetic limitations and certain genetic advantageous, my point was that on AVERAGE, meaning the genetic group as a whole, always on average does better at something and worse at others.
i also did not say white people on average are the smartest, actually white people on average are behind jews (who on average are the smartest) and north eastern aisans, (who are second place and white are third). and your right their are other reasons for this not just genetic, environment plays a huge role as well. for example jews over the period of hundreds of years have not been allowed to own land in europe, so to make money they had to invest in their intellectual capital, so they became doctors, lawyers, bankers etc. and over hundreds of years a combination of environment and genetics led them to have the highest average iq of any people, gypsies where also in the same environment and were almost treated exactly same as europeans treated jews, yet their average iq today is not anywhere near the top of the list. i suspect that is because they didnt have it in their genes (on average!).
i would honestly love to believe that intelligence is mostly due to culture and environment, because that way i know i could improve mine, but unfortunetly all the latest research shows that specifically iq, stay stable throughout your adult life, and that nothing in your environment can boost your iq, only there are things in the childs environment that can stunt your iq.
kinda like height, your genetics determine how tall you are, and not eating enough during childhood can stunt your growth, but eating more then needed will not make you taller only wider.
there are no constant effects of white oppression on blacks, that is a mystical fairy tale made up by leftists. in the 1930's 4 million of my people where wiped out in an attempted genocide in ukriane by russians, yet despite ukraine being ruled by russians until the 90's there are not signs of "russian oppression" despite all sort of racism that is rampant on both sides. i can similarily relate the black struggle to the struggle of the jews, and again show you, that after the initial horrrific crimes there is not sublte oppression.
basketball is dominated by blacks, as is football, because not only is it in black culture, but because blacks on average, have more muscle mass then whites, and usually are better athletes. im not saying no black can ever be smart enough to be a ceo or something like that. but that in a given group, more blacks will be better suited to be top athletes then ones who are suited to be top ceo's
"In a given group, more blacks and will be better suited to be top athletes then (than) ones who are suited to be top CEOs"
....... I can't disagree with you more. I know plenty of black people with very little muscle mass and athletic ability. Besides hundreds of years of slavery where there was forced breeding for various purposes and an erasing of culture might play a part in muscle mass in the states. We've had self sustaining communities, healthy economic systems, and ran our own businesses. Guess what happened to many of them? They were destroyed by white neighbors. You are grossly ignoring racism and how it affects generations and daily life in America. Look at all the violence against blacks by police officers uncovered via digital video in the past few years (like shooting a 12 year old boy with a toy gun and then claiming this small child looks 21). These aren't special cases. We've been talking about them for decades. Race riots, the CIA and FBI attacking black communities and their enrichment groups, the KKK a terrorists organization allowed to function in the states nearly unchallenged, having a Black sounding name can keep you from a job or a business loan, actually government programs built to help citizens but exclude minority workers, the corrupt legal cycle built to keep blacks in and out of jail, lynchings for being too successful, or just walking down the wrong street, or whistling at a white woman, police violence. This country is centuries deep in oppressing black people and much of it still happens, just in different contexts. We're only decades from Jim Crow laws and it's recoil. 400 years of cataloged oppression vs 40 years of let's all get along and try to live up to what America is supposed to stand for. 400 vs 40.
Get off it. No signs of Russian oppression? Have you watched the news in the past couple years?
IQ can increase. It's mental exercise. People do it. Especially when they are young. Some are more gifted than others. In any area this is the case. I have a great muscle structure, but I'm also an athlete and would be one even if I didn't. Growing up I was always one of the smarter kids, with a generally higher IQ. This was part natural and part nurture. I was lucky in having more resources, better schools, more opportunities than most. I can clearly see the difference between how I grew up and how others just as smart and able as myself grew up. I'm an entrepreneur and good with languages, though I just started bruising up again on my Japanese. The mind and spirit are stronger than the physical. Don't get caught up in Fox News like propaganda. Oppression of blacks in America is real and hits every part of American life. Especially the entertainment world.
Did she do this free of charge?
What she was suggesting is that a white male couldn't direct the film in a way that was sensitive to the issue because he isn't black or female. That is pretty insulting and bigoted right there. Matt Damon was just saying he wasn't going to jump on the "affirmative action"--really just another form of unfair discrimination--bandwagon and that the decision was based on merit with no regard to racial background or gender. I applaud him for standing up for standards.
he clearly stated that there so be no diversity on the show...why is that? why only diversity in casting but not the show? only a racist would defend this man. he did not mean they should be chosen on merit that was his way of backtracking he stated there should be NO diversity on the show.
They just agreed?
The fact she kept her mouth shut after that and still got blacklisted from Hollywood for five years tells you everything you need to know about this situation.
Project Greenlight season 5 with Issa Rae says hello.
@@habadasheryjones such a silly comment. 13 years after the last project greenlight and branded A New Generation to highlight, as spoken in their intros, the aim to have a woman director. That's one thing but its SO far from what OP wrote. dont be so quick to respond thinking you got the point when you obviously didnt.
yea she was my unsung hero when this was on. and this series made me give up on Matt Damon. she knew when she spoke up, those dangers and I STAN for her (was hoping she was in Issa's) bc she walked into hell and used her voice
@@jusletursoulglobaby You really told me off. How will I ever recover?
@@habadasheryjones start by taking the stick out of your ass. you missed the entire point and you know it. another way is to delete that comment. there. two suggestions
Spruce Mooses?
Even with the complete context, Matt is still off. His underlying assumption is that everyone is on the same level of the playing field, thus merit is the best way to assess these directors. There's a good chance that those people who are a minority have worked very hard to get where they are, just to have Matt and others claim a level playing field. Also, I agree that someone who is black (just as an example) knows the nuances of what it is like to be black than some white guy. This is coming from a white guy. I usually like Matt, but the whitesplaining is too real here.
+Ely Powers Bullshit. You have no proof that there is some type of of racial disadvantage (at least when it comes to the collective, there could very well be individuals whom happen to be racist), when it comes to non-whites. The experiences of people of a specific race, be it black people or white people, are not collective. Being born black does not guarantee that a person will be at a disadvantage, nor does being born white guarantee that the person will be privileged. This is coming from me, who happens to be a non-white. All this talk about privilege is a load of crap.
He is angry because he can't get laid or because he is on his blue period?
At this point, it was even. They were all given the same script and budget and asked to shoot a scene. He's not "whitesplaining" he just didn't want to change the competition at this late stage of the contest. She was pushing for a minority director, whether they were the best choice or not. That wasn't fair to everyone that worked hard or harder on their contest submissions. Matt just wanted to choose the best director, and then diversify the cast.
Matt, you are correct! Select on merit, not on anything else.
Read Pierre Bourdieu!
Just gonna add my perspective. Like Doctor Phil's method for assisting people overcome mental/psychological issues where he makes them confront their own ugliness, then to assist them to rectify "personal problems", a prostitute and black lady may be stereotypical and inane, but if you can make people understand the dynamic of our culture & how it actually perpetuates this phenomena it in a deliberate & open, respectful way, that we see for ourselves the problem so that it can be confronted and rectified. I don't see any real benefit we as a humanity would gain if this sort of degradation and other BS results of this horrific monster of a problem in in our culture regarding commercialized sexual intimacy continued when it only takes so little, but so necessary, examination and diligence regarding seeing people as people, and as a people ready to work together for the de-commercialization of something that should belong (real loving sexual relationships) to a non-commercial social dynamic. If we can dream it up in the form of a show, maybe it's not really that hard to address the societal degradation the entire society suffers from as a result of this dynamic, & that such endeavor has more weight and merit to it than "Yet Another Formulaic Exploitation For Which to Become Passive Towards & Angry About."
Please forgive me if this confuses you. I'd happily listen to constructive criticism were you to share, because I have a hard time putting things into simple terms sometimes, as well as much difficulty to communicate effectively.
When I first heard about all this I thought damon must have been a real SOB, but I actually don't see the problem with his explanation now that I see the video, he just wants the most talented person to get the job which seems pretty fair. As Irish guy if I was in that position (choosing who gets to direct) I would know not to let the fact that one of the compeitors was also Irish not cloud my judgement, even though being honest I would want them to be the best.
i don't even understand the nuances of what just happened.
That’s the point.
what i don't get is who ever said the world is fair,i'm white and i can tell you no one has ever beat my door down making sure i have equal opportunity
Damon had the balls to be brutally honest. His comment is strict but fair, he looks at the individual first offering a fighting chance. As it should be.
+Marky Marky ua-cam.com/video/xSf2AMxG3Ek/v-deo.html
In my opinion, Matt didn't mean it in the context in which it was taken. It does sound a bit ignorant, but then again no one is perfect.
I see Effies point, but if it's a competition, it seems kind of wrong to base anything off of race. Why can't people just agree to disagree, and not see either side as "racist". Effie handled Damon's response with respect, so should you. We should encourage these discussions between two intelligent people on race, not loath the side we disagree with.
Harvey Weinstein was a co Director!
Any questions yet???
So Matt Damon propagates the myth of meritocracy. And here I thought he was smart AND compassionate. "With that and few late fines from the library," he could have learned so much more from Effie than he allows himself to learn when he refused to listen.
how is it a myth? (yes this is 2 years later)
You may not like the idea of meritocracy, but it still exists and makes more sense than forced diversity. Forced diversity is choosing based on skin colour and is more racist than what it claims to address.
But wait...what does batman think? Sorry that was a troll move, needed to be said though.
"When we are talking about diversity, you do it in the casting of the film not in the casting of the show." -Matt Damon. Well, diversity is not something you "do", in the US it usually just appears if you aren't biased in you selection of people.
Well said! But that's not the intention or the reality and for the record I agree with Matt Damon completely. If more diverse people are in casting decisions that absolutely will transfer that same talent to behind the camera.
ua-cam.com/video/463GJoYjGmY/v-deo.htmlm55s at the 6m55s mark
Who are you to dictate composition of a movie
He said nothing wrong here.
The way it was said, was that if a jerk. Effie was just trying to point out that the director she saw best may not have the most experience, but the director had the most personal relatability and connection to the storyline and can bring more to the table because of familiarity. Kind of like a Latin guy making a film about an asian family, he may be a famed director, but what does a Latin man know about growing up in am Asian family, figuratively speaking.
I came for ben, and that silver tongued cat don't seem to be much talkative. The word on the streets say he has been rather blue, since his Godzilla wife left him.