Cameron Smith on stripped Storm titles | The Matty Johns Podcast
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2019
- NRL: Cameron Smith talks to Matty Johns about Storm's salary cap scandal and stripped premierships.
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Not a Storm fan, and whilst they did cheat the cap so have many other teams, main difference, they didn't win a thing, the storm turned no name players into premiership winning players, seriously besides Cronk, Inglis and Folau (all Melbourne system juniors) what player has gone on to be a standout or even play anywhere as good as they did at Melbourne.
@@patorr69 Nothing happened to the Sharks. Roosters seem to be getting away with it at the moment.
Are u serious? Go and read the team list for 07 and 08 09. They got to retain and buy more higher skilled players by paying their best under the table. Players like Crocker, finch Lima Quinn Newton may never have gone there because they wouldnt have had the cap space or they would have lost an Inglis or Cronk smith Slater who knows the fact is they spent a million more in 08 and 09 and about 750000 in 07 and that is 1 or 2 TOP players hell even today imagine if manly had the extra million they pay turbo to play to spend on players and added say Latrell Mitchell to their team or Payne Haas. Does that sound fair to you would you be happy for ur team to lose a GF to them and then find out years later they spent 1mil more than u on players? And then hear those players saying stuff u we won it we still have the rings. Id rather my team lose on an even playing field then win by cheating as long as they try and do the jersey proud I'm happy win or lose as long as its FAIR
@J G soccer players are a bunch of bloody sooks.
All soccer fans a retarded 😒
What amazes me most is that all of those players were still loyal to the club itself none chose to leave but were moved on to get under the cap,after all the hard work put in for years to be stripped from the records because your club managers were dirty cheats you think none of them would ever want to play for them again
Those managers were moved on, the bookie is now at the Roosters.
It's not the Coach who was doing it. He is there to coach the club.
Soccer massive in 250 countries. Rugby League big in only 4 countries jnfg
Not a Melbourne fan but attest they weren't going out and buy other clubs mega stars and hiding them under the cap, they were paying players that had been their from day dot, Inglis slayer folah cronk Smith Melbourne was their first nrl club, unlike the rosters of present who go out and buy other clubs stars and hide them under the cap
@@patorr69 still having a sook about a better side. Lol.
So cowboys had every right to cheat if it allowed Ponga to stay at the Cowboys? What about the tigers keeping Tedesco? That argument is so invalid
Which allowed them to go and buy better players from other clubs than they could have had they not cheated. Players like Crocker Finch Lima Newton Quinn to name just a few good players they bought over this time period . So sick of these shitty excuses. They cheated they had a million more worth of talent on the field on top of having 4 of the best players in the comp in their positions 3 of them more than likely future immortals. They had a HUGE advantage over every team they played
@@ziggyhogan7560 being better is usually an advantage. Just a bunch of wingers, you lot.
When sanity returns the records will be corrected and they will be credited with the premierships and minor premierships.
I notice that nobody at NRL HQ has been brave enough to go, front the players and get their rings returned.
Cowards.
South’s supporter.
@@sueallanby6522 NEVER HAPPEN your team blatantly cheated. 2 sets of books spent millions more on player retention over 3 years you deserved it just like the dogs of 02 enjoy the ******** next to your name. And the fact that u fans still carry on like its some conspiracy shows exactly how low you all are. If my team chested like that i would have no problem with the punishment and copping it from opposition fans.
The fact that the players stayed together is what made the fans stay together and they got 1 title back 2 years later
Soccer massive in 250 countries. Rugby League big in only 4 countries yhvf
"Winning minor Premierships are hard to do" well how hard do you think it makes it for the teams who are legally trying to win it!
turns out its not too hard
Ahahaha go have a cry playing you're playing more money isn't cheating
@@wahlabalwarrior3010 Paying more money for better players is literally cheating when there is a salary cap lmao
@@croooks1052 Every club does it.
You can get it from a players point of view, but where they weren't at was the keeping of two books and the planned cheating to have a team a million dollars over the salary cap play in the NRL...
Where ever there's money, theres corruption.... dont ever forget that...whether its sports, government, education, pharmaceutical......stop being so naive ppl....
Why was melbourne stripped of the titles, but the Sydney clubs before and after who were caught over the salary cap had no penalties. Sydney clubs were allowed to re negotiate there players salaries to keep them at the club, but Melbourne were not. I am not saying that they did nothing wrong, but why is the penalties so different between Melbourne and the clubs in Sydney
It’s because of, not just the amount they were over and how long they were doing it, but the way they hid it from the NRL. They knew what they were doing was against the laws of the competition and used a two book system to try and keep the NRL from finding out. Very different to every other club going over the cap. Fact remains that if they didn’t cheat the cap, they definitely would not have had the same team because some players would have been forced to move to other clubs due to cap restraints. Literally what every other club has to do. Honestly, the only people saying that everyone needs to just forget about this seriously doesn’t understand the problem.
The players saying it’s still their premierships is no different to someone stealing a car, then claiming it belongs to them.
@@marcus86tiger
Well said mate /
Smth to justify his cheating is like OJ Simpson I didnt do it.
Canberra rorted more and they bought most of their players rather than developing them
@@johnward6921did any of the teams that cheated win the premiership with the same squad they were over the cap with?
@@jayskemanoa9482 yeh Canberra did
Even though they had some great players, they were the dirtiest team of the decade. Wrestling, chicken wing tackles, tackling the back of the knee to the point that they eventually crippled someone. They also cheated the salary cap. This Cameron Smith is not a good example for Rugby League.
Don’t cheat, then it won’t hurt, stiff
Ronald White the players didn’t cheat
Didn't cheat but he is living in you're head rent free 🤣🤣⚡⚡
But that wasn't all! The Storm were then stripped of their Club Challenge Trophy, and Smith's Man of the Match award was also gone.
You cannot tell me Smith or even bellemy didn't have a slight thought that they were cheating. Acting like they didn't know getting a free boat was illegal
Players have no idea what goes behind close doors, that's any club , unless your a board member. It's then the board bring in the coach .
Ill tell you then, how would you know what other players are getting??
The penalties handed to Melbourne were and still are a disgrace.
Others have done salary cap breaches, taken performance enhancing drugs and received a slap on the wrist.
It’s simply because it was Melbourne…nothing else.
My wife and l went to the game the week they were penalised and they beat The Warriors by 40 odd points.
They kept at it until the very end of that season.
Nothing but admiration for that club and none for Gallop, the creep.
South’s supporter.
i remember the score of the 09 gf was 16-23 with GI scoring a solo try(GI later left the club because he couldn't fit in the cap) storm were stripped of the premierships because if they wouldn't have cheated they wouldn't have won ...
@@mitchellkerle3241 How would you know?
Cheating is cheating
They wilfully and deliberately breached the salary cap from 2006-2010. To make it more convincing they had two seperate sets of books and two sets of contracts. I still think some of the players were in on it, most notably Slater, Smith etc.
If you sign a contract for X amount but you were getting extra, wouldn't you say something?.
what if they were getting the amount they signed for?
book 1. what they signed for
book 2. false contracts with lower amount contracts to show nrl
So dumb, the two contracts thing is a nsw media lie. It was a contract and tpa's. Also Sharks did the same plus drug cheats and didn't get anything stripped
Cronulla cheated through 2013-2017 by breaching the salary cap. They didn’t get stripped off of their premiership, I personally think that people just blame the storm for things that happen.
It happens at every club. At least I know of business people involved with Cowboys, Broncos and Roosters.
Rules are rules storm got screwed by there management
So why didn't Cronulla? .. and I bet the Roosters aren't under.
@@japesss I'd be very surprised if the Roosters aren't under the Salary cap.
Matty loves this stuff, Finch and Molly introduced Mattty of things that will strip you.
If the Roosters and Sharks can keep theirs so can we. At least we developed our stars. Have no issues keeping them. Not like we went out and bought a premiership like the rooster a
G.I is my favourite player and as a souths supporter I wished G.I had the 2 other rings next to his name, but that team melbourne has was illegal as.
When you think of it, the people who still go on about the Storm salary cap are the same people who think Smithy influences the refs xD
Yeah.. Smithy doesn't influence the ref & if he does how's it his fault? Both teams captain tries to get the call their way.
Viirtual thank you someone with a brain
Ah yeah every commentator thinks that and you know what good on him if he does it. Its not his fault the refs are dumb intimidated wusses. There is a lot i dont like about smith and the storm but this isnt one of them. He is doing what he should be doing. But to suggest he doesn't influence the refs is child like naivety. He even acknowledges it himself now
The nrl should be more organised to make sure it doesn’t get to the stage of a team winning a comp then having to strip them
Not a Cameron smith fan at all but none of this is his fault
He signed 2 contracts, he's not stupid of course he knew.
I always laugh when people make out the players never knew... the players are as guilty as the accountants
So dumb, the two contracts thing is a nsw media lie. It was a contract and tpa's. Also Sharks did the same plus drug cheats and didn't get anything stripped
It's not the player's or coach's fault for the salary cap breach, it's the club's management. The player's and coaches would only be concerned with their own salary and no one else's. So from the player's and coach's point of view, they won those premierships but still legally had to have the titles stripped away.
The amount of work that the players put in! AND the cheating
Too bad so sad. Shame the other clubs that cheat won’t be found out. Yes you Brisbane
Roosters atm.
People are jealousy and have no heart and like seriously it's the past. And now look at what the storm are doing. They are making nrl great again with great players and also setting a future team. And moving forward. It's not about the past it's about what they are doing now. And what they are bringing in the game today. Like great players
There's a reason why the wooden spoon team doesn't just sign the whole Australian team. It's called a salary cap. When you cheat the cap to the tune of the of Inglis, Slater or Smith's contract, you shouldn't get to keep the trophy. The next year when they were under the cap, Inglis was gone. Melbourne certainly were the better side and it's because if they played by the rules one of their best three wouldn't have been there. Pretty self explanatory.
All the best players came through Storm G.I, Folau, slater, smith, Cronk.
@@elijahmcleod2752 Not like the roosters aren't over it atm
Viirtual all your replies to this video have been spot on Barr this one, I'm not a chooks supporter, but seriously they're well coached and players play for less money to play there. Not every premiership winning side is cheating, the Morris twins are on next to nothing, friend and Cordner play for unders, Keary plays for unders, Flanagan's on nothing. The only well payed players are Tedesco and Crichton (over payed) and Cronk was on a mil a season but a since retired. Chooks over the cap is nothing more than a social media created rumour.
Teams that cheat in the way the storm dogs and parra did should have to play the next 5 years with whatever the amount they cheated off their cap. So if the cap is 10 mil and u cheated and paid players 1 mil under the table u have to play for 5 years with a 9 mil cap and your highest paid player has to move on to another club by the following season. Make it so risky and so painful to cheat that no club would ever want to
Storm got penalised, the others didn’t…that’s the problem.
Ziggy FK up
@@georgebigbush7261
What a well thought out nuanced reply. Did u get a bit of sand in your big bush George or does the truth just hurt that much ? The storms legacy from. 06-10 =💩+*********
They still played em & won them, no BS how much anyone was paid will ever change the score board. The players won those matches, end of.
When you have several sets of books , and Ducati's and speed boats landing in your garage, then you're cheating. Best to just employ the daughter/ dad/ wife/ fiancee etc on a ridiculous wage for 15 hours a week like other clubs. I remember two clubs embroiled in a deal years ago , where the footy players were buying blocks of land in a development in Long Beach, Batemans Bay for WAAY under the price of what the blocks were worth. Story on one is a bunch of players and a manager went there for an overnight stay on a mini bus to look at blocks that were worth $100K at the time, but could buy a block for $20K each. Somebody in the journalism world ( I won't mention her name ) got hold of the story , and it made the papers, but nothing... The Storm didn't cover their tracks and it was like following the crumbs to the empty pack of biscuits under a 5 year old's bed.
Salary Cap... makes guys stronger and run faster?🤔🤣 I still dont get it!!!!
No, but you can buy better players than the other teams if you cheat it.
@@tomtonka1915 Why is it only melbourne is bagged, literally every team has done it but don't get stripped of anything!?
@@viirtual4292 No not literally every other team has done it, and the ones that have didn't win anything to be stripped, except the Sharks. I believe their 2016 premiership should be stripped. Melbourne were cheating it to the tune of 1million dollarydoos per season. That's massive. They made the GF for 4\5 years that they were cheating. They literally screwed the competition for 5 years.
@@tomtonka1915 chooks should be stripped. No way they not over especially since they getting cronk a harvard
@@viirtual4292 if only but that'll never happen.
(THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION!)
This is why I have no respect for the Melbourne Storm. The lack of contrition from the organisation and its players is utterly astonishing. As you can see in Smith's comments there's not a hint of regret, not a semblance of remorse. Even if we go along with the players line that individually they knew nothing, the fact remains that their club secretly spent over 1.7 million above the cap from 2006 to 2010. That money allowed the Storm to retain, at a minimum, 2 star players and a decent core of role players over that time that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to keep. From 2010 to the present I've yet to hear a single apology from anyone at the Storm. The club simply dumped all of the blame on Brian Waldron and contemptuously maintained the fiction that they were somehow victims. And after all of that their captain, as seen here, admits that he and the boys of 2007-2009 still view those Premierships as legitimately theirs..... Gross. Just gross.
The players have no say on the salary cap. They're not the ones running the books you mongoloid. Tell me, should you be punished for a pay rise your bosses and CEOs give you? Think about it.
coolcunt1 doesn’t matter mate.. it’s professional sport and the salary cap is there for a reason.. they rorted the cap so they deserve the punishment players and all
But its alright for the sharks to keep their premiership isn't it?? What a fuckwit
These players have managers, probably solicitors etc that do their contracts, they would trust that they are correct. Bless them but they are rugby players, they are not meant to be able to know much much each player on the list is getting paid or benefitted. They get told this is good sign here and go play rugby. Now 9 years later even with many other teams getting done (and not penalised as harshly) Storm and all their new players are still being branded cheats.
@@carolynbam8434 not many teams have cheated like they did. They literally had two sets of books.
"we were there at 6:45am with a million dollars worth of extra talent more than any other team"
talent that the melbourne storm developed*
@@mj-fd4rc doesn't matter who develops the talent they broke the rules it was unfair
@@BOGNIGGLES so did the sharks when they won but they still get their premiership
@@aussielad26who was over paid at the sharks lol l name one I’m not a shark supporter 😅
As a parra supporter I genuinely think they still would have won be it at most would have been closer.
I don't care the Players Won thru Grit and Determination...They Won those Premierships and 10 years later We Still Are. I remember when they said The Melbourne Storm in 2010 are now a Washed Up Purple Rag...today they still are the Best of the Best
The Mighty Melbourne Storm
Yeah the Storm cheated. None of what you said matters - none of it. The Storm cheated in 2007 and 2009 and had their titles rightfully stripped. That's it.
@@Damienzor Blah Blah Blah
In your delusionary world they won. In reality they cheated and were stripped of thw titles
@@volk4all805 Blah Blah Blah
Penrith eat you wassup
Mr Cameron Smith after retirement come back to Parliament house sir god bless you sir
in my opinion it should count for a players personal achievements however it shouldnt count for a clubs achievements. if that makes sense
No it doesn't make sense... because its a team/club competiotion, and being massively over the cap helped that group of players win the comp.
@@Dan-dd8cf yea it helped them retain players. but they still worked their asses off to get those premierships
@@daniel9756 Yes and so did other teams. Who is to say if one of the other teams had Inglis or Slater they might have won. Caught massively cheating, and some of the players will have been well aware of the club cheating.
@@Dan-dd8cf but its not the players faults
@@daniel9756 The players are a part of the club, and the club cheated. One and the same. You win as a club and lose as a club. And cheat as a club in this case
What is meant by "thats just the way it is"? I feel for the MELB players, 100%. However, through no fault of their own, the club cheated... thus the titles are void. They can have the memories and celebrate as much as they like... but they unfortunately cheated. No point if Melbourne think they won it, if no one else does. It isn't recognised by the Rugby League community.
Great teams, and great performances, so the whole thing is a shame.... but a spade is a spade surely.
PARRAMATTA havent won a premiership since
All these Sydney Grubs thinking that their clubs are squeaky clean. If Storm had a leagues club I doubt any of this would’ve come to light. Nevertheless, their squad gets gutted 13 great players including GI they still win the minor premiership in 11 then the Grand Final in 12 and 17. Runners up in 16 and 18. Haven’t missed a finals, would’ve played finals anyway had they been a Sydney club in 10. Despite providing the league with most of the nrl coaches and top players they will always be hated. Because they’ve been the best for so long.
Providing players, they take all the juniors off the other clubs?! Melbourne are bad for the game, they have no fans, and cost money
@@rileybirt9760 no fans, they have the 4th most memberships in the NRL, look up your facts
@@bread5023 how bout u have a look at the price of memberships before you tell me to research, storm memberships are far more cheaper and no other club wants them in the nrl, can't even make the back page of the paper in melb when they win aha
I notice you left a few of your clubs "great" achievements out like introducing Wrestling. Introducing tackles with the intent to hurt opposition players like The Chicken Wing The Cannon Ball The Crusher The Rolling Pin The Chin Strap to name a few. The constant tactic of trying to push every rule they can to bending point so much so the NRL has to change the rules. The constant game of chicken they play with NRL referees daring them to penalize them every 30 seconds by being offside 4 plays out of 5 laying in the ruck 3 plays out of 5 The whole time knowing the cowardly NRL will not penalize them 9 times out of 10. Its not the skill everyone knows they a clearly a well coached great team and have proved many people wrong. But everyone also sees the dirty tactics they have used throughout the last 17 years and hates those tactics and loses respect for the Storm
For once - the protected species got caught ...
Did he sign 2 contracts? If so he must have known it was cheating
If your that good at cheating, why don't you become a ref. That's right,you already are.
you must be joking
F* off.
@@nickrunaway2 legit the storm have the refs on there cock
@@christopherkb2432 typical hater coz their team is dogshit compared to em
@@christopherkb2432 Yet the refs only favor teams in sydney? You're so dumb.
Yes you put in the work like every other team did. But you played manly and parra in 07/09 with an extra top tier player possibly 2 on the field that wouldn't have been there had you not cheated. That gave you a HUGE advantage over the teams you played. And if you don't agree look at 08 you lost 40 nil without yourself playing. Which in retrospect just evened the field in terms of players under the cap. For the people without good memories go back and look at the team the storm had in those years. Take out just one of their top 5 players and the difference would have been significant. Pick one out of Inglis Falou Smith Slater Cronk. losing anyone of these players would make a difference or keep them all but have a crappy low skill 12 players around them and again it makes a big difference. And never forget they knew what was going on they signed 2 contracts they had boats and caravans "given" to them so they cheated with full knowledge. And the argument that they all started at the storm is invalid as every team loses players they trained up and started with them once they can get more money to play elsewhere. The storm got to keep all of them instead of losing 1 or 2 possibly 3 as remember after that players stayed for less to prove some point and win another GF and the NRL changed the rule so it couldn't happen again. Unfortunately for the storm their incredible desire to win has made them outright cheat break rules bend rules introduce unsportsman like maneuvers/tackles into the game. No other club has forced so many rules to be introduced and changed just to keep the game being played in a sportsman like manner . They are a great club with some champions and bellamy is a great coach they have proved many people wrong time and time again but they will always carry a stain from their behavior which is a shame because they probably still would have been successful and won GF without such tactics. But for 07/09 They should hang their heads in shame as they stole other teams hardwork away from them by cheating .
Maybe go back to 2006 when they lost to Broncos and have a look at the quality of lists. ALL Premiers had between 10-13 international quality players in their team. Storm had less than most
They didnt sign 2 contracts the signed 1 contract and 1 TPA which included boats, house renos cars....and it has been revealed that at least 1 TPA had a clause saying its was legal to satisfy the player...
@@jharf2380 Yeah Yeah tell yourself what ever you want. You have no ethics. They cheated and lost it all . this is the legacy of those years*******************************************************
@@ziggyhogan7560 i dont need to tell myself anything....there is an entire investigation that revealed all this.
But if believing the Sydney media's BS story makes you all warm and fuzzy go right ahead
And at that meeting... none of the players didn’t realise the fact they were receiving cash bonuses? They knew in a individual basis in what they got .. cam smith as well
The consequences of cheating I guess. You can blame all the management as much as you like, but the players must have known that all the perks they and their families were getting were not kosher. Personally, I think players who were brought up by a club from their own lower grades, through their own academies and talent nurturing systems to play first grade, should not count as part of the salary cap as for long as they stay with the club.
Cheating is cheating
"That's just the way it is" (I understand your oppiniion but i have zero regard for it.) Mate every other team was running hills as well only you took an unfair advantage that other teams weren't therefore you lost your reward. it's pretty simple minus the bs.
So dumb, the two contracts thing is a nsw media lie. It was a contract and tpa's. Also Sharks did the same plus drug cheats and didn't get anything stripped
@@Joelification1 Exactly, there is suspicion that Roosters have been doing for a few years.
I mean How are the players to know what each other player is being paid and what level their salary cap is at.
@@SilentHotdog28 They're not but if you agree to get paid a million a season and then sign paperwork that sez your signed for $500000 im pretty sure u would ask whats going on. And if you sign 1 set of papers for a million then another for 500000 you cant say you didnt know. And when you get given a 30000- 40000 grand boat pretty sure you know whats going on. But even if they didnt know it changes nothing. They are part of a team they win together they lose together if one cheats everyone suffers just like on the field if u cheat and get sent off the whole team suffers. Well someone in their team cheated and they all benefited from it so they must all be punished for it. Its not like they're losing a finger
When he signed 2 contracts and got his fucking boat this guys a filthy grub
It was blatant cheating. The Eels and manly were majorly disadvantaged. Eels could have bought players like Thurston or Lockyer with the extra money storm had.
Ahahahaha Eels fan boy 86 was a long time ago but then Sterlo had hair 🤣🤣⚡⚡
@@wahlabalwarrior3010 haha it was great when the knights beat them in 2001. What a night!.
What a scam----Winners never the less same amount of opposition on each team and they won fair and square---i suppose they gave the trophy to the losers i repeat losers
Lol. You kidding? The caps there for a reason. To make it even otherwise one team can have all the best players. 🤪
That Gallop is a goose ,he penalized everyone , except the main perpetrators , thank God he went to soccer !!!😢😢😢😢👎👎👎
"they're ours" Interesting comment. Proves that even the "smartest" of players have completely missed the point and the penalty was insufficient. Hand the ring back you cheats!
what an honset grub what he did in 09 and what he did to poor Alex is a dog act
Cheats putting in a lot of work….disguising payments