Gough Whitlam: The Truth
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2020
- Jordan chats with Pearls and Irritations editor John Menadue about his time working for Rupert Murdoch and Gough Whitlam... The topic of China might come up.
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Jordies is giving me too much knowledge on Australian politics as an American with no stake in it.
neoliberals and murdoch media running the show... we have a lot in common
i love watching vidoes I have no stake in and no knowledge in
Didn’t expect you here. Onya Tigerstar
All good mate we do the same with ur politics
We're stuck in the same boat buddy.
"He wasn't a good politician" "WHAT"
For a brief moment Jordie was ready to throw hands on this old man before he explained what he meant, jeez
What Menadhue meant he was No good at bullshit and he didnt suffer fools gladly.
Free education, Medibank, Vietnam, equal pay for women, racial discrimination changes etc etc. The man had guts.
Damned right you are! We need more like him.
People with balls died a long time ago.
@@nuvisionprintingyour reply makes me happy that I've used your company a few times now when I needed prints 👍👍👍
Being in WA doesn't always make you my immediate choice, but your results certainly persuade me to use you where I can
@@karl4834 this is an old business I had in NSW, I no longer have this business but I've never gotten rid of the email or the like. Sorry to be a downer. I'm not who you think I am.
@@nuvisionprinting No probs. No downer, just glad to see another analytical opinion on this channel. Ahah, thought it odd that a business would risk public backlash, though 🤔 Good wishes to whatever you're doing now 🙂
45 years on, the Dismissal is still Australia's most muiltifaceted crisis, even outside of politics. Gough Whitlam was such a boss that he became a lightning rod for the fate of Australia, forcing the true puppetmasters out of the shadows, even if only briefly.
Rest in Power!
I met Gough in Sydney at a hotel I worked at about 20 years ago. A humble, articulate and gracious man who took the time to have a chat with me.
I always knew I was going to regret not meeting him but I never figured out how to ask out a former Australian Prime Minister on a date... on my budget.
Dude looks younger than Gary Orsum
You just know Gazzas gonna see this comment and will be pulling his last remaining hairs out for days on end
Friendlyjordies and educating thousands in Australian politics, name a more iconic duo.
Gladys Berejiklian and dead koalas.
Yilmaz and stooges?
It's still not enough. When I'm peeping into people's loungeroom windows I want to see Jordan instead of Tracy Grimshaw.
Friendlyjordies and screaming THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT
Super barrilaro and bruz
Gough as PM was the last time Australia was truly independent. Threatening to kick the Americans out of Pine Gap was the beginning of the end for him. So, they rolled him.
At least the Yanks didn't sodomise him with a knife, like they did to Gaddafi.
Tim Smith do we know they didnt 😬
@@timsmith854 yeah Gaddafi was an enemy (at that time!) on the other hand Australia was a good friend....so they settled on a boodless coup! They reserve that for friends.
That and Cough Spitlam wanted to nationalise our mining industry which would have made us a serious competitor in the global market.
It was theatre, staged for sheep. Same as nationalising, he had no intention.
My humanities student mind is going "this man is a primary source, if I ever have to write a history essay on Aussie politics in the 70s I have this interview right here I can quote"
You are literally giving me more of an insight into Australian history than my 15+ years of schooling. I thought Australian History was THE most boring topic until now. Thanks
just be mindful john dealt in propaganda.
What's the bet that if they decide to report on this interview Murdoch will only run the headline - "Gough Whitlam wasn't a good politician" says former staffer
Jordies: would you say there’s a labor crisis in this country?
John: well that depends what you mean by crisis
*Cwisis
Excellent.
Loved it! Been living in Australia for the last 12 years and the only time you feel properly informed is watching Friendly Jordan.
I hope you're a citizen so you can vote Labor
Wow jordies just became a man: Jordan
That’s probably not great if your political knowledge about the nation you’ve been living in for more than a decade is coming from someone on UA-cam. Just saying.
Secret Rupert Murdoch origin story buried in this chat!
Wow, jordies brought Gough Whitlam back from the dead just to interview him.
this needs to be archived and stored and be taught in schools
Absolutely loved this interview. Please interview Paul Keating. When I'm having a down day I listen or read Paul Keatings quotes and laugh out loud. Paul introduced me to the word recalcitrant. His quotes are the best I've ever heard. Thanks Jordon, keep up the good work ❤
There are CIA communications to Nixon about Gough, they were very happy to see him go.
Watch the whole video, this dude has got stories for days.
The video was uploaded 5 minutes before you left this comment. So you didn’t even watch the whole video
@@oliverokeeffe6379 want to bet I did?
2x speed 😂
@@oliverokeeffe6379 duude have you ever used UA-cam before? Literally everyone knows that the time counter is incredibly inaccurate. For example it says the og comment was posted 35 minutes ago, but the video was posted 23 minutes ago. Obviously that is impossible, so the obvious conclusion is that the timer's are inaccurate. Now ik that the timer most likely isnt going to be inaccurate by 50 minutes, but doesn't jordan also post vids early for patreons? I could be wrong. Anyway, thank you for listening to my Ted talk.
@outlines KNIFE FIGHT
Hope I'm this lucid and articulate at 85.
Get someone who looks at you like Jordies looks at this guy telling Whitlam stories.
I used a pearls and irritations article for uni yesterday and remember thinking: John menadue, interesting name. Sounds like marmaduke.
Now I’m sitting here, listening to John marmaduke talk about politics. It’s sort of like when you hear a song and then start hearing it again all over the place
There must be some kind of way out of here 🎶
Jordan these interviews are so important! Great that you didn't make a separate channel for them but instead chose to post them here. Young Australians need this, political discussion from a platform that isn't junkee etc.! 🙄
Heya jordies, I love the interview!!! Thank you for giving John (and Sue) both context and an opportunity to explain to young people WTF he's always been on about. I am a reader of P & I and have even had some of my comments on articles approved for publication!!!! I'm not sure if you've tried to comment there, but the people contributing and commenting are far from lightweights, so you don't just get to comment without moderation. I was chuffed!!! Although, first time, Sue did ask me to lower my word count in future ...
Anyway, keep up the fantastic work. This one just nailed it for me. John is a fucking legend!!!
Political interviews should always have F bombs
I must admit that I didn't expect that at all.
They should be this long. TV interviews are a joke
That's the closest person to the establishment that's given voice to the CIA involvement in the dismissal. Whitlam was a constitutional lawyer and so maintained a silence and took it to his grave. Great interview which will only become more important in time.
I love that line from Rupert about Kerr. "He'd make a very good editor of The Australian." XDDD
Jordie have you considered interviewing Crikey's Guy Rundle, he's had 3 articles over as many weeks in the last month about the dismissal that also go into palace, CIA and Kerr's involvement, and while not a Labor figure, might be worth interviewing.
He's had 2 labour figures on recently, not regarding this issue, but still. He wouldn't want to have too many labor people on, or he will just be looked at as the mirror image of newscorp at the end of the day. Opposite but same. He is much better than that, but if that's what it looks like he would never win people across
@@theadventuresofzoomandbettie I feel like the drones who uncritically follow the Murdoch propaganda machine won't even bother to watch Jordies sadly, and I dont think it's beholden on him to "both sides" the aus political landscape, the LNP and conservatives have wall to wall sympathetic media coverage in this country and get more than enough oxygen thanks to their employer, big Rupert. Also as if any LNP identities would consent to being hit by an interviewer who knows the facts
@@m8_m913 definitely didn't mean to.imply he should have Liberal folk interviewed, although I think he could tear them a new one, but that he should have a variety of people and not overly one side of politics.
@@theadventuresofzoomandbettie i think the main impediment to that is they're all too afraid to speak to him because they'd get DESTROYED by FACTS AND LOGIC, but I still think he doesn't actually have to give airtime to opposing views, that's what the enervated slugs at the ABC do these days, and honestly right wingers and conservatives get huge amounts of wholly sympathetic media exposure already, they don't deserve more.
Gough is a hero of mine. He actually tried to drag Aus into the 20th century.
@@LimitedCheetah hahahaha. Try 17th century.
@@LimitedCheetah the future they're trying to drag us into is a dystopia though
that was a stupidly honest take on china, probably the first I've ever seen. great stuff
timestamp?
@@yubbityyubba7749 like 43 minutes ish I think.
@@tylerorr3851 44 but thx appreciate it
What about Hong Kong, or the censorship of all western medias, like youtube, or even that whole South Park fiasco?? Although tbf I am now seeing the irony of American censoring tik Tok lol
Yubbityyubba what about Hong Kong? China hasn’t done anything except request extradition of Murderers and criminals. And of course they censor western media, the amount of bullshit that is spewed by Murdoch rags is ridiculous, any smart country would do it.
Wow Jordan, your most interesting interview to date. John is a fascinating and straight shooting man - so good to hear such insight. 100 thumbs up.
I put it and the Kevin one at equal best
The best interview to date, just after the one with Rudd.
Ah, yes, FriendlyJordies interviewing his dad.
What do you mean this isnt marcus paul?
I'm old enough to remember most of the stuff discussed when it occurred but never knew the details. incredible interview.
Mate fancy spilling hot chocolate on John Menadue's table.
Breaking plibeseks mum's nice tea cups.
It'd be funny if there's a unintentional running joke or Jordies accidentally damaging something in each interview
Fark. First he destroys Pliberseks' China cups now this. Not very friendly Jordan.
@@Scuppun Do we need to crowdfund Jordan a sippy cup
@@DJPeekz Hahahahahhah. 🤣🤣🤣. Yes, a sippy or Keep cup.
It's great that you let your guests talk uninterrupted unlike a lot of other interviews
Would love to see an interview with Michael West
As someone who has lived though the time covered in this wonderful interview, I congratulate you on your handling of the subject, and. you obvious respect shown. I am amazed by the experience through this past hour. Exceptional work, congratulations.
Great video and love that you released a podcast version. Was perfect for my run!
That was really interesting, I think these sort of videos give you much more credibility in the eyes of the general public. It's great hearing all these thoughts from people directly involved!
35:50 bruh moment. the whole rupert side plot has anakin skywalker tones. amazing story
John, you are a brave man.
Giving us an insight into how insidious Rupert Murdoch is.
If only people would listen
Funny, considering how Murdoch is portrayed has Darth Sidious, the story John gave us in the video makes the Whitlam Dismissal and Murdoch's career look like Murdoch was Anakin Skywalker who kept falling from grace, again and again and again, until he became the ultimate villain in the mainstream media. It's tragic really. There was some promise at the start.
Cornelius Maze-Eye Eh, not really. I get what you mean and yeah it seems he wasn’t as bad as he is now but from what I’m hearing even back then it was all a selfish ego-trip and power grab for him, no matter who he was backing. He is definitely much worse now but I don’t think there was ever really any promise that he’d be a force for good.
@@KingRigo2000 well said.
im inclined to agree with you. Whitlam was in power and it was worth schmoozing with him.
He just wanted to get into power.
What a wonderful and wise man. Loved this interview!
Great interview! Can't believe this hasn't ever come up on my recommendations before.
Damn that was easily your best interview Jordan. Fascinating stuff.
I put it and the Kevin one at equal best
@@Sanguinarius9999 fair play. That was also brilliant.
Thanks for such an enlightening and respectful interview.
Wow. That is one of the most valuable interviews, reflections I’ve heard this year. And I’ve heard some beauties. I’m gonna now listen to it again. I read the Menadue report when I was a health professional in administration many years ago. But I have to say, what a great prime minister John Menadue would’ve made. This man’s above class, politics, tribalism - he’s rational, decent, and wise. And I know he wouldn’t like to be spoken of in that way because the humility is inherent in the wisdom.
May we be led by good and decent people: just as may we all be good and decent people.
Keep this up. Love all these interviews
I'm really enjoying these interviews Jordan! I think these long form more serious conversations really compliment your videos.
Also, could organisations such as Pearl's and Irritations, Michael West, Independent Australia and alike, start publishing selected content one platform. I'm sure about the feasibility of this but it may significantly expand their collective reach
Still waiting for your interview with Andrew Laming
Yes! That'd be awesome
I love how all these politicians are just like "give the devil his due" and I can imagine Jordy rolling his eyes and then they start dunking on the Libs and his eyes light up. Great interview Jordy, keep it up
Jordan, this was fabulous interview., could listen forever.
My grandmother witnessed a young Murdoch being cast off the steps of a large publisher in the late 40's.
He was so full of rage and apparently screamed, full of tears at them that he'd take over all the newspapers one day.
When she met him years later, she said she could only see a broken young man who wanted so badly to be loved.
Good job on this - I have respect for John Menadue and it's good to see he has a well-rounded enough sense of humour to appear on your quite likeable irreverent style of doing things! (Not entirely dissimilar to meself!)
Bloody good work. I lived through the Whitlam era and share Menadue's take on that time. I found the conversation on Murdoch fascinating in that it brought to light the powerful influence neoliberal philosophy had on Murdoch because of his association with Thatcher and Reagan.
I've subscribed to Pearls & Irritations for a few years now, can absolutely recommend it. Great interview here 👍
One thing that i have always admired about Gough and i may be mistaken here but to the best of my knowledge he is the only Prime Minister we have ever had that has actually experienced what it means to face combat. He was Navigator of a Lancaster Bomber During WWII putting him in a group of servicemen who suffered the highest rate of losses of any service we deployed during that war. Additionally and again i appreciate that there must have been other factors but it was during his term that the Australian Troops were withdrawn from Vietnam. As an ex serviceman this alone stands him out as one of the greatest PM's ever, second only to John Curtain who fought tooth and nail against Churchill to return our troops back here to defend against the Japanese.
And they wouldnt
6 months, that's how fast the Japanese were in Northern New Guinea.
That's why Curtin, declared war on Japan independent of the UK and turned to the US to ally with for the defence of our common interests in our region.
When the, quoting Churchill, "Unreachable Fortress" Singapore fell they blamed the Aussie soldier's for it. Called us cowards.
We made up less than 10-15% of the defending forces stationed there but accounted for 75% of the casualties. No doubt some Aussies ran, but most of us fought and died.
The US, UK and Soviet's screwed us over in the peace deal too. We were there fighting the whole bloody war yet the US and Soviet's claimed more contribution.
We easily had over 28% contribution, they dismissed us as barely having 8%.
We also had to pay more for the lend leases of military equipment than any nation at that table. Double in fact.
Despite only getting dodgy surplus equipment, almost never on time either. We had to pay for thousands of Stens that almost always failed to operate correctly and were never delivered on time.
Heck, that's why we ended up just making our own from some scratch built SMG a lad named Owen made for fun before he enlisted before the war.
Was a better SMG than the Sten and was dirt cheap to manufacture.
Thanks for this Jordan & John !!!
Loving these ‘classic’ interviews!
Fantastic conversation, thanks again Jordies
John: “He [Gough] wasn’t a good politician.”
Jordan: “Whaaa..”
*Technical Difficulties*
*Please Stand By*
lmao
Great interview. Cheers.
Loving these!
Any chance you could get PJK?
That would be absolutely epic
Holy shit Gough Whitlam was a king
Good interview. Thanks.
awesome interview. thanks Jordie
Excellent interview. What an utter legend John is.
Great long-form interview.
Wonderful and fascinating thank you- A Pom from Newcastle upon Tyne
This was great, thanks!
Very good chat!!
Fascinating interview
"how would rupert want this reported" say it all eh
Great interview
😮 !! Excited to watch this one
Gough and Co. really pissed off the Establishment when R.F.X.Connor proposed to seek funding from unconventional sources.
I often wonder where this nation would be if we followed through and became more of a nation at that time.
Amazing follow up after listening to the The Eleventh pod!
Any chance you will eventually talk to Dan The Man Andrews from Victoria ?
This is a substantial and excellent interview.
Friendlyjordies youse are doing great talking to people that actually have a good opinion and want better for this country nice 👌
PLEASE interview Keating i would cry if you did
Very interesting !! Awesome thank you for sharing your story⭐️
This was great, loved it
lmao, ik hes dead but when i read the title i thought u were actually interviewing Gough Whitlam
Great content once again. Absolute legend
Great interview with a very interesting man who has a wealth of political knowledge gained over 60 years of close involvement with the upper echelons of power, well done Jordan!!
Hope you enjoyed the last one kids, ‘cause Jordies is outta here for the summer! In the meantime we’ll be playing uh... ‘Klassic’ Jordies... enjoy!
This is a great extension of your brand and scope as an influencer Jordie! Thanks for doing the job of Aussie journos when they won't.
If the CIA didn't have a large hand in the Dismissal why would Victor Marketti say that after Pine Gap and him threatening them that a more subtle form of Chile was set in motion?
ua-cam.com/video/mLl0CSqgPw8/v-deo.html 👍😀
@@biglovebetterworldbetteryou Enjoy the dislike 👍😀
@@xsct878 Not as much as you enjoy your life , Spirit of Jeff you are free....
John: "I'm looking for alliances with independent media peeps, y'know like UA-camrs and stuff."
Jordy: "Mmm... Noble... Well, looks like we're out of time."
Bruh. I wanna see this dude drop some well-crafted relevant truth bomb cameos in some of your upcoming videos... Rather than, say, some puerile dropkick UA-cam bogan wearing undies and a flag doing a shot and making faces. Plskthx.
True story: My dad had a fistfight with John Kerr.
So proud.
he hated the Left faction of the ALP national executive! Called them the 12 witless men.
Amazing to hear the stories that have shaped our country
the parts about working with Rupert Murdoch and what happened after are really god damn interesting
Another great installment of Classic Krusty.
Great interview, I'm a big fan of P & I, especially Mungo's contributions.
Pearls and wisdom , something to follow , for sure
You should do a 10 or 20 minute vide with the highlights and the best covfos
This is the content I am here for.
What do you guys mean this isn't Gough Whitlam?
The video states at the start it was filmed in 1961, Whitlam was still alive in the 60s, use your common sense!
Yeah sick video. But I'm still not buying a Yilmaz shirt unless I'm assured there will be a Yilmaz movie bruzz