I bought a 2016 eco boost in 2015, and the same day I picked it up i bought a 27 foot 5th wheel. I was in Vancouver and the following day I towed it up into the mountains on a 5 hour highway drive. I had ZERO problems towing as far as power went, it felt solid as a rock and honestly was everything I had hoped it would be. I was able to climb even the steepest parts of the coquihala and had more power to spare. I do think its important to realize you have A LOT of weight on you and its more the braking coming down the mountain than it is the power going up.
I just love all the hate from the 1 ton diesel community lol.... Don't hate just cause the man saved 15 grand by not buying a diesel truck he doesn't really need for the casual camping trip he takes a few times a year.
@@oldcountryman2795 you clearly missed the part where he explained and had already calculated all the numbers completely loaded and he was clearly under the legal limit. But hey, if you wanna be a tow Karen go for it.
Great setup and done right by someone who understands what on the Tow Vehicle DNA has on the effect of how it handles; long wheel base, air bags for stability, and keeping payload as light as possible. Arctic wolf has a new model 271RK with lighter payload this year and yes, it will be towable by many half ton trucks. Amazing how most people don’t get the physics of how a longer wheel base make a huge difference in how trailers tow. They only look at tow capacity.....
I basically have the same setup you have. I have a 2013 F-150 also 5.0 and I love it. I bought a 2018 keystone Cougar half ton series this summer and I also put the B&W turn ball just like yours and the Andersen ultimate hitch. The only difference is I didn’t put the air bags. I went with the timbrens and they do the exact same job I just don’t have to worry about air leaks. I bought the Rv in Kentucky and I towed it to Texas. 3 days on the road and I was doing 70 mph most of the way. It was under 1500 rpm and it also did around 11 mpg. These trucks are amazing. Congratulations on your setup.
imron1 glad to hear your trip went fine. I’m considering getting an F150 to pull a 6500lb. Cougar from CA to MN. (Next summer lol) What wheel base do you think is best? Any other tips would be appreciated!
@@NB-pj8dc Any of the F150 models with the max to package would probably work for you. Do a Google search for Ford specs depending on the year and style pickup you're looking at and you'll learn a lot. This guy likes the 5.0, but I have a lot to say about the torque and feel of the EcoBoost (2nd gen+). Aside from the truck, in my experience, the weight distributing hitch will be one of the most important purchases you will make. Look up Equal-i-zer. It has done very well for me and many others. Good luck! There's so much information to research on the internet these days!
I have the same B W hitch in my 2016 f150, getting ready to throw some airbags on the back to get it ready to pull a 5th wheel I just bought! Glad to see that others have done it despite the doubt from the haters
Personally, I'd option a different spring pack rated heavier than the one you have, then reduce air bag pressure to level it out. It's a nice setup, but you ideally don't want a ton of force at that one point in the frame. By going with a heavier spring pack, you reduce the load on the air bags and have a more even distribution. The new f150 has a "Heavy Duty Payload Package" which has 3.73 gears, the 9.75" gearset, and upgraded springs. Assuming you're running a properly equipped f150 (proper gear ratios and such) the only thing you would be missing is the upgraded springs. In this configuration, the payload for a 5.0 v8 with 4x4 is 2,640 lbs and a tow rating of 13,000 lbs. Obviously a few small things changed between the 2017 and 2021 model years, but the point stands. You would be well under your rated capacity for both towing weight, and payload weight. An improperly equipped f250 diesel (for payload purposes) would have a payload capacity of 3,040 lbs which is only a difference of 400 lbs in this scenario. My point is, having a properly set up truck is important. Properly equipped, you're well below your payload and tow ratings.
There’s a dramatic difference between the 1/2 tons of the past 10 years and those from 20 years ago. The half tons of today often pull more than they old 3/4 tons. I think that probably plays a role in the 1 ton battles on here. This is a good setup for towing around a local area. With the adds he has I’m guessing it pulls pretty well at 60-65. Wouldn’t want to run interstate speeds but most people don’t regardless what they’re towing with.
I had the same truck with the 3.5. I had a slider hitch(never had to move it) and my family was 800lbs(5 people). My truck had an 1850lb payload and when we were all in we were over by 250lbs on the rear axle(4050lbs). Jayco 265bhs loaded weight of 8500lbs. That truck was more than adequate for local stuff like you said for yours. But not a rig to run far with. Now I'm in a crew cab 8' box 2019 f350 lariat srw. And the trailer weighs less than the truck. I test drove the 5.0 vs 3.5 and because I was also driving a 7.3 I couldn't deal with the winding up of the 5.0 with nothing in the bed. I test drove a 6.2 in the Super Duty and no amount of money save would even make me take a gas anything over a diesel. My old 7.3 with 300k on the ODO pulls better on the highway than the 6.2 wit a 12k trailer in tow. Now the 6.7 has no comparison. I don't tow fast and never will(65mph max) I own a highway truck and it limited to 63mph and pulls 140k all day long so I'm quiet happy watching fools pour the fuel out the tailpipe to save an hour. Have a good one nice set up too enjoy.
Ok, I have read the comments, and have friends with the same 1/2 ton cannot tow anything mentality, I bought a 2019 Ex Cab Ford XLT with the 5.0 Liter engine, 10 speed transmission, 2:73 gears, and a 11,700 towing capacity, has the full towing package, with the usual options of Tow/ Haul, etc, , I bought a 2018 Dutchman Astoria 25ft wheeel, when empty just over 7000 pounds ,,when full and I am going on 2 people packing, and when full just over 9000 pounds, and my Ford tows it perfectly,,,not going to win any speed records but who is when towing, it sits nice and level and have towed it on long journy's with no problems going up hills or inclines, this truck was made to haul within it's numbers,, I did not see the purpose of spending almost a $100,000 on a new 3/4 ton or 1 ton when I was not going to be pulling it much, my truck does just fine with the towing, and did not see the purpose in getting a diesel when I did not need one, and do not need to be that guy with the Big Diesel in his driveway just sitting there and saying OH I have a diesel, but pull nothing with it, And it comes down to common sense,, ( A rare thing nowadays) if you are hauling a long ways, Do you really need to fill that water tank, do you need to stock up on canned goods, etc, just think of things before loading it to the max, and arrange to get filled with water and groceries when getting near your destination, just my thoughts,
I’ve hauled tons with a 1/2 ton never done a gooseneck or 5th wheel but I have pulled up to 9k. I pull a lot heavier now and I like diesel but 1/2 tons can for sure pull just fine for most people.
Good choice using that Andersen hitch to help stay within your limits. Although unless you have actually put your rig on the CAT scales to know for sure I really question if you have taken in account of the weight of all the accessories on your truck, like the weights of the turn overall ball mount, tool box, air compressor, air bag system, and running boards. This stuff adds up quickly and I have a feeling you are closer to the GVWR of your F150 than you think you are. If you are any where close to any of your weight ratings of your vehicle you really should put it on the CAT scales to know for sure. Yeah this truck can put it but if an accident happens you could have legal trouble on your hands and that's something I'm not willing to risk.
I pull my small 5th wheel with same truck same engine ex 2021 and I have a curt crosswind hitch. I love it. In all the safety margins as well incl payload
Let me start off by saying that I am not trying to start a problem, but you may want to look into running safety chains on your 5'er with that setup. I don't know your state laws. However in the state I am in we are required to run safety chains with any "ball mount" setup. Safety chains are not required on a "king pin" connection, but they are with a "gooseneck" or any "ball mount" Connection. Again, not trying to start a fight, those are just the rules where I am.
Yep, I have an Andersen and chains are required in MANY states. Andersen actually makes a chain kit with eye bolts you can buy on Amazon. Plus, it's just plane a good idea.
@@jimfinigan1681 - yah, our handyman loves to tell the story of how unnerving it was when out his window he saw his utility trailer passing his truck! 😨
@@spudbono5747 I don't have first hand experience with the notorious runaway trailer, but one of my old neighbors does. He was on the job, driving a service truck pulling a trailer. When he checked his mirrors he saw the trailer trying to pass him. He steered with it to keep it behind him. Eventually, he was able to slow to a stop. He says he wished he was wearing his brown pants that day, if you get the meaning!
Just a note, when you add up payload it is any accessories. The horn, air pump, toolbox, air bags, etc its not just people, hitch and tongue weight. That being said I like your setup, I think half ton trucks can do more then the weight police say that they can.
Most 250's don't even have the payload for larger 5th wheels, it's just silly to not get a 1 ton truck. Your 150 is definately not meant to tow your camper no matter what the guy that sold it to you said. And i would bet that when you are loaded up with gear/ food/ accessories and people, you are over your payload. Be safe.
I Own a 2012 F-150 Lariet FX4 6.2 Ford Powered V8! 6.5 bed! 3:73 gear ratio! 6 speed automatic! 4WD! Ingot Silver paint! Platinum factory 2012 F-150! S&B Cold air intake! Pedal command! 3 inch Exhaust system! Super 44 flowmaster! resonator delete! 5 inch exhaust tip! Max towing 11,300 pounds! I run with the B&W compatible 5th wheel hitch drops right into the gooseneck hole.
Great set up mate, I love the 5.0L coyote I think it has more potential than the F150 world would like to admit. I don't really have any criticisms at all about what your doing, only a suggestion with the trailer being "coupeled" in 2 places for me I would run the safety chains.
I have been using my 2015 F150 with the 2.7 Eco or Boost to tow a 1995 Terry 24P for a few years now. The Terry is only about 5,700 lbs. dry and fully loaded is still under 7,000 Lbs. and when loaded carefully the hitch weight is never an issue. The truck has always handled it well and safely. The engine has never lacked for power even when climbing steep grades at altitude at normal temperatures but once this Summer in mid July in Utah, Nevada, and Arizona while temperatures were hovering on either side of 100 degrees Fahrenheit the computer would go into the limp in mode to protect the hot engine and transmission. Being from Iowa I have seldom been much over 1200 to 1300 feet and seldom over an 8% grade for more than a few hundred feet. We were able to manage by giving the truck a few cooling off stops on the steep hot grades. The problem is not so much power but rather cooling capacity when producing full power for extended periods at high ambient temperatures. Keep in mind that you can lose 20% of your towing capacity or more when you are towing over 10,000 feet.
Nice setup. My only disagreement would be the 3.5 eco vs the 5.0. I tow regularly from 4k to 10k. Don't think my 3.5 is going to blow at any point. 2,500 rpm at 65 towing 10k is pretty good. I like the way you have the air tank setup...gives me an idea for my own little project.
I agree William, I imported one to Europe where I live and it's very powerfull, I even have higher turbo pressure so approx. 430 HP. Well within the limts of what this engine can handle. Ford would go bankrupt if the very welll selling ecoboost engines would brake down. It's their new weapon in the battle anmd in the States some owners have 300.000+ miles on them. Here, bny the way, pickup trucks are very rare, I live in a 1.000.000 inhabitants urban area where I see an F150 once a month or so. A few more RAM's maybe.
Nice! I have the same Arctic Wolf trailer, B and W hitch and Anderson hitch. I pull with a Ram 3500 long bed Dually. I would like to add airbags and a 100 gallon transfer tank for long trips. Maybe in the future.
Former automotive AND recreational vehicle salesman here. You have a nice setup going on. The airbags and all that is pretty cool. But, you're likely to get someone killed if you tried to do any real excursions with that rig. It may be fine for local 45mph and under trips but that rig should NEVER see highway speeds. It's just not suited for it. Yes, it will pull it. My 2017 Silverado 1/2 ton will pull far more than it is rated for. The main objective in towing anything is being able to safely and effectively stop it. You will not achieve ideal braking distances and times with that rig. You would be endangering all the lives around you by taking that rig out on the open road. And, now, if you were to have a tragic accident you would be royally screwed because you have video evidence that you acknowledge this setup is not entirely safe for distance travel. In short, yeah you can do it but you're really playing with fire and we all know how well that usually plays out for folks.
Legal is or is not. Wow a compressor for the bags. Never thought of that. Hey bring that rigette out here to Wolf Creek Pass and Monarch give it a ringing out.
Yea but you have a chevy, big difference when you are talking about turbos and what they can tow. There are plenty of torture tests on these trucks towing heaving and big up and down steep grades
I got a 15,000 pound 5th maybe fully loaded or max load and got a Chevy Silverado Texas edition it can pull 9,000 maybe up to 12,000. 1,800 payload with 20" tire's I'm thinking about adding turbo to it to get more power. Also remove stuff from the 5th wheel travel trailer not sure if we can get another 2500 or last one broke down twice in one day before we got rid of it.
I currently have a 2016 f150 with eco boost and pull a 7500 lb TT. I am also running air bags to level off the truck. No issues with towing the TT but hate the way it rides over bumps. Makes me want to get another 5’er again.
I have a 2019 Sierra 1500 with the 6.2, and max tow package. Truck is rated to tow 11,300lbs. GVWR on the truck is 3550KG. Truck, 2 people, full tank of gas and some items in the bed is 3100KG. I have 450KG left for pin weight. My Triple E 5th Wheel weighs 600KG on the pin. I am 150KG over the GVWR for the truck, but the trailer weighs 8500lbs loaded. I am over on payload, under on towing. The truck is equipped with airbags and 10ply truck tires. The trailer has brand new electric brakes all around. The truck handles the trailer fine, stops fine and holds highway speed quite nicely. If you drive properly, and have the proper equipment, there is no reason you can't tow with a half ton; within reason ;)
That is until you get into a crash, your fault or not. Good luck with convincing your insurer that they should cover your loses or protecting you from being sued.
Clearly a lot of the commenting on this video don't understand the truck is rated for 10,000 pounds and is legal to haul this camper ! It just looks weird because the camper is bulky
@@msm624 you do realize that the pin weight is the amount of force being pushed down on the suspension of the truck as long as it does not exceed the payload of the truck with occupants it is perfectly fine furthermore if you worried about the pin weight being exceeded you are talking about a hitch rating not a truck rating
I sold my 150 and TT. Next is a 5'ver and most likely a dually due to the hitch weight. But, I just wanted to mention load weight of the truck tires and age of the trailer tires are things to keep in mind.
I'm curious on axle weight. It seems correct on paper but in reality it might over load the rear axle. Not only over weigh axle but exceed the tire weight limits. I had a half ton setup similar but with a conventional tow and it was way over axle weight. Also in a wind storm the truck struggle to stay straight while using a stabilizer system. Also the brakes are not big enough to handle extended use.
The weight on the rear axle will more than double if you slam on the brakes for any reason. This will fold that half ton pickup like a tin can. 1400Lbs of pin weight on a half ton is beyond silly, it's insanity.
I agree with you but these 1/2 ton owners are determined to look past suspension, braking, frame build, etc to SAFELY tow these fifth wheels which are built and sold by an unregulated RV industry who tells 1/2 ton owners that they are 1/2 ton towable
You could do this, or you could just get a tow vehicle that is rated for pulling trailers that size. I wouldn't use anything less than a 1 ton to pull a fifth wheel trailer. That way, you don't have to make a bunch of mods that may or may not work. Just hook up and go.
Ok! Let's all just run out and buy 1 tons lmao, if u can afford one happy too here it 👍😁 but for people that can't or don't need it, hey do what u got too do 👍🍻
I just got the 2018 xlt extended cab so I gave up a little length but got the max trailer tow package and the whistle blow up motor " as u put it. After seeing the torture test video and 470ft/lbs of low end torque I decided to go for it (with extended warranty of course). You're giving up some mpg and tow capacity since your 4wd. I'm 2. I plan on towing a 5th wheel but I don't have money for a setup like yours so I'm just going to put some super heavy duty shocks and see how she does.
Brother i have a 6 inch lift 2012 fx4 can they switch my rear to air ride to pull a 5thwheel. Your set up is awesome we have alot of mountains in Az how does it do climbing. I think we have the same 5.7. Thx Brian
@ I have this rig plus an Anderson 5th wheel hitch. 2015 F150 Ecoboost, 3,000lb and 10.800lb. Over 18,000 miles traveled, very easy and comfortable towing. Like all rigs you have to do your research before you buy. unlike this guy did before making his comments.
Have you pulled over a CAT scale? I'm interested in your axle numbers and weight distribution. RAWR is a big limit on the F150 also - usually around 4000 lbs. I pull a 36' TT with my 13 EcoBoost, also with Firestone airbags, an onboard compressor, and E rated tires. Unreal power there (especially with a little tune)! I certainly don't get 11mpg's - I once got 10 MPG going 55 or less with a little wind behind me - could be the 35in tires tho lol. Gas is cheap - drink it up!
People seem to think it's what your tow capacity is but everyone seems to forget the most important thing is stopping. 3/4 ton trucks with bigger brakes and braking power are safer period. If money is an issue go down a trim line. You can get a F 250 XLT gas for the same or less then a optioned up the hoop F 150.
Nice setup. Looks like it work really great. Curios about cost for sure though. I would also agree with the whistle blower being a great engine. Mine tows my 9k lbs rig no problem. Well other than getting gas at these stations with poor pump alignments for trailers to get through.
I have a half ton and a 1 ton I have towed my boat legally with my 1/2ton cross country itll do it. I have also and currently do it with the 1 ton because its so much more comfortable and sturdy that its not even a question.
Epic compressor, remember to empty water from bottom. WTFFFF you only have 3 leaf springs?? Yoo I don’t think I can care if you have an air bag, the springs hold the frame on the axle. Go to trick trucks get 2 more springs added each side idek what to say. Somehow I could be wrong but that doesn’t seem proper. Other than that hella nice truck dude and info. But if you did understand that hitch I would have explained it. Cuz most people have to just bolt the frame rail to the bed, and the rail under bed to the frame. With L bracket. That Anderson hitch is convenient and clean.
I did a price and build with a 2019 F250 XLT 6.2L (set up the same as my 2017 F250) vs your F 150 XLT (as close as I could get it) and near as I can tell the F150 is only $2000 less. That was without the leather seats in the F150 that it appears you have. Now you put on your upgrades and they are very close in price if not more for the F150. Also about fuel consumption when hauling. I did a 4700 km (Canada) trip this year and over the entire trip got 21L per 100KM that's 13MPG. My 5th wheel is about 8000lbs dry weight. I'm Just trying to give you some options if you ever considered trading it in or getting a bigger RV.
@@waynesorensen7071 As an update in Canada we have the clean energy act which adds more ethanol into regular gas. As a result just add about 3 Liters per hundred km. I will be switching to a diesel as soon as it's built.
Why would I do that? An f250 diesel has a payload of only 300lbs more then this f150. Would be a waste to spend that kind of money to gain so little in payload.
@@firemarshal3738 you dont gain payload from air bags. You gain load stability. And your right it's a half ton, with a half ton towable camper that's within it's legal numbers.
Yeah that statement kinda rubbed me slightly raw but it's OK, that's his feeling, I have a 2020 F150 with Max tow, 6.5 bed and the BadAss 3.5 Ecoboost that will out pull the 5.0 any day of the week and I'm setting up to legally pull a 5th wheel camper similar to his set up here. I spent over 20 yrs as a Senior Master Certified Technician in a Ford dealership so I know all the engines and I chose the Ecoboost, so ....I now have 15k miles with absolutely zero issues and it's a Beast. Also it drives me crazy when people call those Air Bags (that's part of the restraint system) I have installed plenty of those AIR SPRINGS on customer trucks. Nice video overall, Thanks.
@@toddrisser2790 Yes indeed, I have unfollowed alot of groups in facebook because there is a following of foolish people that don't have a clue what they are talking about. Remember I spent 21 yrs in the dealership as the top certified tech working on both gas and diesel along with every line of Ford, Mercury & Lincoln over the yrs. I walked away in 9/2017 to start a new career in machining @ aircraft manufacturer (Air Tractor)
I got 10 mpg towing a heavy fully loaded flatbed (rated at 14,000) with my '99 Dodge 2500 8L V-10. I barely knew it was loaded. How much more did all that extra equipment cost just to make it work that well?
If you are under or at 10,000 should be fine. I double towed that much with a Nissan Titan rear hitch in Colorado Mountains for 4 years or so. (No air bags)
I agree with other post not to pull with 1/2 ton bud way better to get 3/4 or 1 ton, if you gonna do it change out those brakes for much bigger ones on all 4 corners.
I like it. I mean I would have gone with the 3.5 . It is proven to work and they dont just blow up. My only concern would that you are maxing out what that truck can do. Forget the motor. I would worry about the transmission. However, if your towing is flat land or small hills I am sure it would be fine. The wife and I thought about this route, but opted for a big toy hauler, so I had to go dually all the way.
My 5th wheel is an Arctic Fox weighing in at 6700 lbs, I should be fine with 140.5 wheel base and a 5.7 Hemi, right? That hitch and air compressor setup is really nice, very clean. Thumbs up!!!
No the numbers aren’t all in the payload...... stop giving out false info. Do your own research sir. It’s all in the GCWR. Subtract your trucks weight “with peoples and articles” and that’ll give you your trucks max towing capabilities. Payload capacity is only for hitch weight; which is irrelevant if you are outside the GCWR “don’t mistake it with GVWR. GVWR is only for the vehicles weight with payload, excluding trailers.” GCWR is total truck and trailer weight. The towing capacity that ford, dodge, and Chevy advertise is actually the GCWR rating, not what the truck can actually tow. You need to subtract your trucks loaded weight from that to get that tow rating. With a 140.5 you might want to check your cab to trailer clearance when turning. You way need to invest in a slider hitch “if your within your GCWR.” The 5.7L should be okay. It’s not the engine that matters, but the gear ratio and transmission you have. The EcoBoost is a more than capable motor. But it doesn’t mean anything with a 3.55 rear end. Do your own research.
Nice rig but cutting it kinda close on the payload. What’s that tool box and compressor/tank weight? That comes off that number too. I am actually very surprised you’re not being torn apart in the comments. 1/2 ton and 5’er don’t go together in the same sentence. Check out (Big Truck Big RV) on YT. Lots of good info on do’s and donts.
Seen em and yep I am right at max with payload. The 30 lb tool box with compressor and tank aren't enough weight to worry about and after all it is a half ton towable 5th wheel
If you set it up properly (which seems like he has) and are cautious and know what your doing you should be fine. sometimes it's just not feasible for people to get a 3/4 ton truck just to tow their camper. And half tons are getting more and more capable every year. There is no way I'd attempt this in a half ton 10-15 years ago. Half tons can tow just as much as a 3/4 ton could tow 15 years ago!
Alex Puls 1/2 tons are becoming more capable with manufacturers increasing there max Tow ratings. But pulling 10k is much different then towing 10k. The problem is 1/2 ton pickups just don’t have the mass. I pull a 27’ 6800# TT with a Supercrew F150 FX4 and I feel I’m beyond my limits. I would suggest browsing some RV forums and you will quickly understand how incapable 1/2 tons really are. We plan on upgrading to a 5er in the future so a 1 ton Ford is next on the list.
He's actually probably right with his numbers and actually legal. Just because you could doesn't mean you should. Now he seems to know what he has and knows not to push it long haul in the mountains, so he'll probably get away with it. My issue is that while it seems he's right, others will watch this video without the knowledge he has and try and do the same, possibly with disastrous results. I pull a 19 ft 4700 lb loaded TT behind my ecoboost 150 up high in the mountains, steep grades and high winds. I wouldn't go much more than 6500 with a TT on my setup. Legally I'm good for 10,000. Option for the truck to go up to 13,000lbs. Looking forward to ditching both my truck and trailer for larger units, will probably do both at the same time and buy stuff actually rated to do it nicely without going over 70% of the max rating on the truck to keep it nice and comfortable while towing.
Weight. I use my truck to haul stuff often and have to switch back and forth from flat truck bed to hitch installed to haul the 5th wheel. Only lifting 35lbs and installed in minutes is a lot nicer than lifting 100-200lbs. Also have to watch payload. With a traditional hitch I would be over on my payload
Great video,I have 2008 Tundra sr5,pulling a 7865,pound trailer,I added sumo springs yellow ones and Bilstein 5100 shocks in back,has a great ride till I have the 5th wheel off ,then strap on your jock and my wife tightens up her bra.wow pretty bumpy ride with no weight I kinda wish I went with the air bags, we live in the north country and winters are bad ,my buddy had lots of problems with the shrater valves leaking because of the salt and snow.still you have to do your own math and calculations,love the hitch Thanks.
consider purchasing Kinemaster. ;-)Glad I listen to the whole video to hear you say you "use local" but probably not cross country travel. I'm happy with my 16k slider on short bed 2006 RAM 3500. But this hitch is real interesting.
Curious what you keep in the tool box in the bed of the truck. Obviously that adds to payload and so does all the aftermarket goodies you added. You must be over payload.
That’s not the longest Will base you can get in a F150 you can get an extended cab which I believe is 164 inch wheelbase with an 8 foot bed which has a longer wheelbase than the crew cab 6 1/2 foot bed!!!
I love reading the wisdoms from arm chair campers . You clearly state that you are not going cross country with your setup . I would almost go as far the say most of the cry babies couldnt even set up a tent . I for one think you have thought out what is going on . Hell tons of people pull a fifth wheel trailer to the club and never move it again . I wonder how they got along . LOL
Just because you have a pickup doesn't mean you can tow anything. I dont think I would elect to tow a 5th wheel with a half ton truck. I've towed a 5th wheel for many years but never with anything less than a 3/4 ton truck.
@@JDSOutdoors Comparing the payloads between a 3/4 ton diesel and a 5.0L 1/2 ton is like comparing apples and oranges, for the simple fact that a diesel engine weights way more than a same-sized gas engine, reducing the available payload. Larry Smith is not saying you should get a diesel, just a more capable truck. From the 2019 Ford towing guide, F-150 super crew with a 6 ft bed and a 5.0L v8 the payload is 2060 lb for a 4x2, 1844 lb for a 4x4. For the F-250 crew cab with a 6 ft bed and a 6.2L v8 the payload is 3057 lb for 4x2 (48% more), 2654 lb for a 4x4 (44% more). Not insignificant differences.
Great vid, but don't discount the ecoboost... I test drove both when I picked out my 2019... 3.5EB ran circles around the 5.0 everywhere except for the exhaust sound. There's a reason why the EB truck has the higher payload and towing. I noticed you don't have a sliding hitch, any turning clearance issues with this set up?
You know tongue weight counts towards GVWR. Fifth wheel is typically 20% of the trailer weight. Assuming you and your wife are an average of 150lbs and you have a full tank of fuel that weights 226lbs. Also the weight of your tool box with the air compressor. That would put you at approximately 2800 pounds. That's about 1k over loaded.
@@rwjw77 Being a vehicle salesman would explain why you’re so clueless lol.... the weight of a full tank of fuel is included in the payload capacity (hint - google J2807). Fifth wheel pin weights are typically closer to 15% than 20%, and he said he weighed the pin at 1450lbs loaded. His yellow sticker payload capacity is 1900 lbs, with a light added payload in the truck he could be well within his capacity.... how the F do you come up with 2800 lbs? Remind me of where your dealership is and I’ll be sure to avoid it. Lol
Any issues with the AUH setting the pin behind the axle? Getting one of them whistle blowers soon, same body/bed as yours with the HDDP. The AUH has been noted to load up the rear axle more than a regular hitch because it is sets back more? I have to guess though, you are over the rear axle weight with your setup?
It transfers the weight back to the goosneck ball directly over the axle with the way the hitch is designed. The set back only moves the camper back not the weight it's pretty cool. I love the hitch and highly recommend it
JDS Outdoors what do you mean it transfers the weight? We’d really like to tow a 5th wheel with our 2019 ram 1500, but are worried about the payload. We’re willing to add whatever’s necessary but it seems like with a 1970 payload we won’t have enough payload left. Husband weighed truck at dump with 1/2 tank gas and 3 adults and it was 6100 lbs. gvwr of truck is 7100lbs.
I didn't care for the pin being right above the rear axle on my F150. Both the old super duty and the new Super duty are 4" ahead of rear axles. Applies some more pressure to steer axle and helps lead the trailer down the road. Makes a difference in lower traction situations and with braking
I got a 96 ram 1500 automatic, I'm looking at a 27 ft fifth that I'm gonna take with me from Ohio back to Texas. After I get some work done on my truck of course.and it would be a 1 time trip going that way. My truck could tow 6k lbs new, do you reckon it could still tow that worth work?
What is the approximate length of your Arctic Wolf rig or the model number? I’m looking for this length to tow behind my truck with my jet boat behind the 5th wheel? Yes I have my CDL with Doubles Endorsement.
What is your gross combined weight rating of the truck, payload rating and the rear axle weight (this should be determined on a scale)? You need to account for people in the truck when towed, any extra cargo weight including your hitch setup, weight of trailer with water/food/clothes/etc. I'd suspect you are over the limit or over on every account. Most of this data can be found on the door frame info sticker. I ran into this same problem with my nissan titan xd. Don't take chances with your life or others...
@3:13 he gives the weight of the trailer which Arctic Fox's website has gvwr as 9900lbs. He correctly states empty tongue weight, about 1350lbs. He then says that leaves 100 lbs of wiggle in the truck with him and his wife. That wheelbase with the 5.0 can carry 2290lbs of payload, and pull up to 9500lbs with the 3.73.
I am not asking if the vehicle is capable of pulling or have the horsepower to do so what is the factory GVW on the vehicle?? That will determine the ticket you may receive
Moving the weight the truck is capable, but the real real real test is how it handles emergency situations? The driver drops off road for brief sec, can the truck safely bring the rv and itself back on the road safely? A kid on a bike rides out in front of you, is the truck able to control the emergency stopping or can it control the rv when make abrupt movements to avoid the obstacles.. I personally for safety reasons would not to a 5th wheel RV with less than a f450 dually.. it would be over kill for this RV but a 1/2 is under kill..
@@JDSOutdoors if you have a 1/2 truck you do not have the weight to control a 10,000 lb trailer in an emergency situation.. so if you want to risk your life and everyone with you and around you, roll on..
@@goatboycasto since you clearly don't know what your talking about I'll give ya a break but you clearly need a little more experience towing before you give opinions.
@@JDSOutdoors hmmmm, well I am a retired truck driver who drove the Alaskan Highway, towing dozers, road graders, other trailers etc. I have driven in multiple countries transporting cargo,, but it’s ok I don’t know anything good luck hero.
Even if the truck is rated for the weight there are other factors to consider... the frontal area of the trailer and the length for example. A longer trailer means it's able to exert more leverage on the truck, if the truck isn't heavy enough to control the weight you can get into some pretty big trouble. The front cross section of a fifth wheel is also generally far larger than what your engine and transmission are designed to handle and can cause early failure regardless of the trailer weight. And don't even get me started on the lack of safety chains on a ball connection....
@@JDSOutdoors They can be rated for the weight but may not be rated for the long term output required to continuously overcome the aerodynamic drag of such a tall trailer. It's a commonly overlooked factor that most folks don't consider until they blow something up. Remember the old Dolphin Toyota motor homes that used to catch on fire on the side of the road all the time? They were rated for the weight but not the aerodynamic drag and resulting engine load they experienced when driven at excess speeds.... that combined with an undersized cooling system resulted in a lot of engines and transmissions blowing up as well as plenty of fires. A half ton truck isn't really designed for this sort of situation either... and catastrophic failures are likely in the long term. Probably not a big deal if it's only a couple of hours once or twice a year in cool weather, but I'd sure as heck be keeping a close eye on the engine and transmission temperature while towing.
@@dw7444 when I owned it I watched temps. Even in 6+ hour trips it was never even a degree above normal. Lots of changes have been made even in the last 10 years. It works perfectly fine
@@JDSOutdoors I do believe that a travel trailer has more drag than a 5th wheel. I had a TT, got 9 to 9.5 mpg. Got a 5th wheel now, doing 10 to 10.5 mpg. Have the save setup as you. I was impressed that you had the same add-ons that I used.
@@dw7444 Bullshit.... google J2807 testing standards, all manufacturers rate to the same standard based on actual test results, the numbers are not arbitrarily assigned.
D.O.T inspector and mechanic hear. The title of your video should be “ how I put my family and others on the road in danger” if you were in my state your setup would not be legal. Thank you for putting my family in danger every time your drive on the highway.
If you're a dot inspector...you're a dumb one. If hes towing within the vehicle's tow specs, hes fine. Like most people...you're completely uneducated about this stuff.
@@showcasecharlie11 This is where ignorace reigns. Tow capacity is NOT the same as payload. This truck is plain and simple not a safe truck to tow that 5er. Underrated is underrated and therefore will be liable when the accident occurs. In an emergency situation this truck will not be able to manage the weight of that trailer. Lucky is not the same as wise. Do not follow this advice if you want to tow safely.
@@jsbservicesllc176 Well...you are obviously uneducated as well in regard to 5th wheel towing. I've been doing this stuff for over 35 years..professionally. Never said payload is same as capacity. Unless you know specifically how this truck is specced and exactly what the weights are for all the units involved, you like the other numbnut is talking out of your ass. You want to talk payload? We can do that.. Want to talk overall capacity? We can do that.. Want to talk axle weights, tire capacities, GCVWR and how to figure it all out right down to the specific legal particulars...we can do that too. This man knows what his trailer and cargo weighs, knows what his pin weight is, obviously is comfortable with the trucks weight limits are per that trucks particular specs. If he has weighed his rig and he's under the rated specs for that truck, then he's legal and safe. Most pickup trucks, people don't realize there are 2 different specs for weight regarding a bumper/hitch style setup vs a 5th wheel setup. Typically the 5th wheel weight rating is higher than what is stamped on the door tag. When dealing with a 5th wheel, you jump into a few different weight issues. As long as his brakes are proper, his pin weight and added cargo on truck, fuel and hitch are under his particular trucks payload capacity, hes legal there. Then he should be under his axle ratings, and hopefully tire ratings. The trailer cargo capacity while important overall, does not factor into the pin weight. Trailer capacity and its empty weight plus all the other related gear, fuel, passengers, hitch, ect and the trucks weight needs to be under the GCVWR...which he apparently is if hes scaled it and still 150 pounds under the GCVWR. So many of you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and that includes so called professional dot inspectors. I deal with them on a daily basis and when it comes to RVs...they are completely clueless. Now as far as most RVs being overloaded in general...that is a whole different topic. The average RV...Gus and Martha, are not going to think about the weight. They just pack whatever crap they have or buy over time and stuff it into the big ol honeymoon mobile and hike on down the road.
@@showcasecharlie11 I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm advocating for safety. I've been towing rigs for nearly 40 years, most of those with 5th wheels and I've seen and experienced some things. I'm sure you can make all the numbers work. "Legal" doesn't automatically equal "safe". As has been stated, just because you can doesn't mean you should, especially when you are potentially influencing others with perhaps a lot less experience. At the end of the day this is still a 1/2 ton truck that can result in white-knuckle driving in normal windy freeway driving or in the unforseen panic situation where the only difference between safe and disaster is your truck. Take care of your family, and those driving around you. Hauling heavy RV's on crowded freeways isn't a competition. Keep ego out of it, make a wise, well-informed choice, and enjoy the trip.
So nice to see someone that understands you have to take payload into consideration when figuring out what you can and cannot tow. Excellent job!
I bought a 2016 eco boost in 2015, and the same day I picked it up i bought a 27 foot 5th wheel. I was in Vancouver and the following day I towed it up into the mountains on a 5 hour highway drive. I had ZERO problems towing as far as power went, it felt solid as a rock and honestly was everything I had hoped it would be. I was able to climb even the steepest parts of the coquihala and had more power to spare. I do think its important to realize you have A LOT of weight on you and its more the braking coming down the mountain than it is the power going up.
Great info brother!
I just love all the hate from the 1 ton diesel community lol.... Don't hate just cause the man saved 15 grand by not buying a diesel truck he doesn't really need for the casual camping trip he takes a few times a year.
Cracks me up lol I have a 1 ton diesel as well but this works as well
"The man" puts his family and everyone else on the road at risk and is violating the terms of his insurance and breaking the law.
@@oldcountryman2795 you clearly missed the part where he explained and had already calculated all the numbers completely loaded and he was clearly under the legal limit. But hey, if you wanna be a tow Karen go for it.
@@oldcountryman2795 prove it
@@oldcountryman2795 Your Brain, from Amazon, hasn't arrived yet....has it?
Great setup and done right by someone who understands what on the Tow Vehicle DNA has on the effect of how it handles; long wheel base, air bags for stability, and keeping payload as light as possible. Arctic wolf has a new model 271RK with lighter payload this year and yes, it will be towable by many half ton trucks. Amazing how most people don’t get the physics of how a longer wheel base make a huge difference in how trailers tow. They only look at tow capacity.....
I basically have the same setup you have. I have a 2013 F-150 also 5.0 and I love it. I bought a 2018 keystone Cougar half ton series this summer and I also put the B&W turn ball just like yours and the Andersen ultimate hitch. The only difference is I didn’t put the air bags. I went with the timbrens and they do the exact same job I just don’t have to worry about air leaks. I bought the Rv in Kentucky and I towed it to Texas. 3 days on the road and I was doing 70 mph most of the way. It was under 1500 rpm and it also did around 11 mpg. These trucks are amazing. Congratulations on your setup.
imron1 glad to hear your trip went fine. I’m considering getting an F150 to pull a 6500lb. Cougar from CA to MN. (Next summer lol) What wheel base do you think is best? Any other tips would be appreciated!
@@NB-pj8dc Any of the F150 models with the max to package would probably work for you. Do a Google search for Ford specs depending on the year and style pickup you're looking at and you'll learn a lot. This guy likes the 5.0, but I have a lot to say about the torque and feel of the EcoBoost (2nd gen+). Aside from the truck, in my experience, the weight distributing hitch will be one of the most important purchases you will make. Look up Equal-i-zer. It has done very well for me and many others. Good luck! There's so much information to research on the internet these days!
What size bed?
@@brentfrein5274 6.5 foot bed.
I have the same B W hitch in my 2016 f150, getting ready to throw some airbags on the back to get it ready to pull a 5th wheel I just bought! Glad to see that others have done it despite the doubt from the haters
Personally, I'd option a different spring pack rated heavier than the one you have, then reduce air bag pressure to level it out. It's a nice setup, but you ideally don't want a ton of force at that one point in the frame. By going with a heavier spring pack, you reduce the load on the air bags and have a more even distribution. The new f150 has a "Heavy Duty Payload Package" which has 3.73 gears, the 9.75" gearset, and upgraded springs. Assuming you're running a properly equipped f150 (proper gear ratios and such) the only thing you would be missing is the upgraded springs. In this configuration, the payload for a 5.0 v8 with 4x4 is 2,640 lbs and a tow rating of 13,000 lbs. Obviously a few small things changed between the 2017 and 2021 model years, but the point stands. You would be well under your rated capacity for both towing weight, and payload weight.
An improperly equipped f250 diesel (for payload purposes) would have a payload capacity of 3,040 lbs which is only a difference of 400 lbs in this scenario. My point is, having a properly set up truck is important. Properly equipped, you're well below your payload and tow ratings.
There’s a dramatic difference between the 1/2 tons of the past 10 years and those from 20 years ago. The half tons of today often pull more than they old 3/4 tons. I think that probably plays a role in the 1 ton battles on here. This is a good setup for towing around a local area. With the adds he has I’m guessing it pulls pretty well at 60-65. Wouldn’t want to run interstate speeds but most people don’t regardless what they’re towing with.
I had the same truck with the 3.5. I had a slider hitch(never had to move it) and my family was 800lbs(5 people). My truck had an 1850lb payload and when we were all in we were over by 250lbs on the rear axle(4050lbs). Jayco 265bhs loaded weight of 8500lbs. That truck was more than adequate for local stuff like you said for yours. But not a rig to run far with. Now I'm in a crew cab 8' box 2019 f350 lariat srw. And the trailer weighs less than the truck. I test drove the 5.0 vs 3.5 and because I was also driving a 7.3 I couldn't deal with the winding up of the 5.0 with nothing in the bed. I test drove a 6.2 in the Super Duty and no amount of money save would even make me take a gas anything over a diesel. My old 7.3 with 300k on the ODO pulls better on the highway than the 6.2 wit a 12k trailer in tow. Now the 6.7 has no comparison. I don't tow fast and never will(65mph max) I own a highway truck and it limited to 63mph and pulls 140k all day long so I'm quiet happy watching fools pour the fuel out the tailpipe to save an hour. Have a good one nice set up too enjoy.
I love that toolbox setup with the air chuck on the side.
Ok, I have read the comments, and have friends with the same 1/2 ton cannot tow anything mentality, I bought a 2019 Ex Cab Ford XLT with the 5.0 Liter engine, 10 speed transmission, 2:73 gears, and a 11,700 towing capacity, has the full towing package, with the usual options of Tow/ Haul, etc, , I bought a 2018 Dutchman Astoria 25ft wheeel, when empty just over 7000 pounds ,,when full and I am going on 2 people packing, and when full just over 9000 pounds, and my Ford tows it perfectly,,,not going to win any speed records but who is when towing, it sits nice and level and have towed it on long journy's with no problems going up hills or inclines, this truck was made to haul within it's numbers,, I did not see the purpose of spending almost a $100,000 on a new 3/4 ton or 1 ton when I was not going to be pulling it much, my truck does just fine with the towing, and did not see the purpose in getting a diesel when I did not need one, and do not need to be that guy with the Big Diesel in his driveway just sitting there and saying OH I have a diesel, but pull nothing with it,
And it comes down to common sense,, ( A rare thing nowadays) if you are hauling a long ways, Do you really need to fill that water tank, do you need to stock up on canned goods, etc, just think of things before loading it to the max, and arrange to get filled with water and groceries when getting near your destination, just my thoughts,
I’ve hauled tons with a 1/2 ton never done a gooseneck or 5th wheel but I have pulled up to 9k. I pull a lot heavier now and I like diesel but 1/2 tons can for sure pull just fine for most people.
Good choice using that Andersen hitch to help stay within your limits. Although unless you have actually put your rig on the CAT scales to know for sure I really question if you have taken in account of the weight of all the accessories on your truck, like the weights of the turn overall ball mount, tool box, air compressor, air bag system, and running boards. This stuff adds up quickly and I have a feeling you are closer to the GVWR of your F150 than you think you are.
If you are any where close to any of your weight ratings of your vehicle you really should put it on the CAT scales to know for sure. Yeah this truck can put it but if an accident happens you could have legal trouble on your hands and that's something I'm not willing to risk.
I pull my small 5th wheel with same truck same engine ex 2021 and I have a curt crosswind hitch. I love it. In all the safety margins as well incl payload
Let me start off by saying that I am not trying to start a problem, but you may want to look into running safety chains on your 5'er with that setup. I don't know your state laws. However in the state I am in we are required to run safety chains with any "ball mount" setup. Safety chains are not required on a "king pin" connection, but they are with a "gooseneck" or any "ball mount" Connection. Again, not trying to start a fight, those are just the rules where I am.
Yep, I have an Andersen and chains are required in MANY states. Andersen actually makes a chain kit with eye bolts you can buy on Amazon. Plus, it's just plane a good idea.
I wouldn't pull ANY trailer without safety chains. Whether the law requires it or not it's always a good idea to have safety chains.
@@jimfinigan1681 - yah, our handyman loves to tell the story of how unnerving it was when out his window he saw his utility trailer passing his truck! 😨
@@spudbono5747 I don't have first hand experience with the notorious runaway trailer, but one of my old neighbors does. He was on the job, driving a service truck pulling a trailer. When he checked his mirrors he saw the trailer trying to pass him. He steered with it to keep it behind him. Eventually, he was able to slow to a stop. He says he wished he was wearing his brown pants that day, if you get the meaning!
@@jimfinigan1681 - lol!
Just a note, when you add up payload it is any accessories. The horn, air pump, toolbox, air bags, etc its not just people, hitch and tongue weight. That being said I like your setup, I think half ton trucks can do more then the weight police say that they can.
Cool, I need one of those horns. We have a Winnebego 26RBSS, got 1 extra leaf spring, with the roadmaster helper spring. Pulls real good
They come in handy lol
Most 250's don't even have the payload for larger 5th wheels, it's just silly to not get a 1 ton truck. Your 150 is definately not meant to tow your camper no matter what the guy that sold it to you said. And i would bet that when you are loaded up with gear/ food/ accessories and people, you are over your payload. Be safe.
So true. Fifthwheelstreet.com 60% of RV's are over weight look it up
Exactly!
Nope 50 lbs under my 1900lb payload it's been weighed loaded
@@JDSOutdoors Including passengers? Full tank of gas? Payload includes all occupants, fuel etc...Towing that close to capacity is not smart anyway.
@@genesishep yep including all of that.
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6.5 bed!
3:73 gear ratio!
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Platinum factory 2012 F-150!
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I run with the B&W compatible 5th wheel hitch drops right into the gooseneck hole.
Great set up mate, I love the 5.0L coyote I think it has more potential than the F150 world would like to admit. I don't really have any criticisms at all about what your doing, only a suggestion with the trailer being "coupeled" in 2 places for me I would run the safety chains.
I have been using my 2015 F150 with the 2.7 Eco or Boost to tow a 1995 Terry 24P for a few years now. The Terry is only about 5,700 lbs. dry and fully loaded is still under 7,000 Lbs. and when loaded carefully the hitch weight is never an issue. The truck has always handled it well and safely. The engine has never lacked for power even when climbing steep grades at altitude at normal temperatures but once this Summer in mid July in Utah, Nevada, and Arizona while temperatures were hovering on either side of 100 degrees Fahrenheit the computer would go into the limp in mode to protect the hot engine and transmission. Being from Iowa I have seldom been much over 1200 to 1300 feet and seldom over an 8% grade for more than a few hundred feet. We were able to manage by giving the truck a few cooling off stops on the steep hot grades. The problem is not so much power but rather cooling capacity when producing full power for extended periods at high ambient temperatures.
Keep in mind that you can lose 20% of your towing capacity or more when you are towing over 10,000 feet.
You have been lucky my 2015 2.7 blew up at 22k Miles. Safe travels.
Smart idea to get the Anderson hitch I have one air bag good idea but I would never have a half ton to tow with.
Nice setup. My only disagreement would be the 3.5 eco vs the 5.0. I tow regularly from 4k to 10k. Don't think my 3.5 is going to blow at any point. 2,500 rpm at 65 towing 10k is pretty good. I like the way you have the air tank setup...gives me an idea for my own little project.
Just like to give the eco guys a hard time nothing personal just have had bad luck with them
JDS Outdoors awwwwwww mannnnn, I’m an Eco guy. Lol. No problem! Great seat up and excellent job on the air compressor.
470 ft lbs of torque dont mess around. But i got a 5.0 too
I agree William, I imported one to Europe where I live and it's very powerfull, I even have higher turbo pressure so approx. 430 HP. Well within the limts of what this engine can handle. Ford would go bankrupt if the very welll selling ecoboost engines would brake down. It's their new weapon in the battle anmd in the States some owners have 300.000+ miles on them. Here, bny the way, pickup trucks are very rare, I live in a 1.000.000 inhabitants urban area where I see an F150 once a month or so. A few more RAM's maybe.
Ha, my 92 F350 with the 7.3 liter diesel is only rated for 9200 GVW. Man things have really changed.
But I bet your payments are also a lot less.
i hope a lot has changed for towing in 30 years!
I freaking love it! Good job. I plan on doing the exact same thing to my Ford F-150 for my new 5th wheel.
Literally ever person who owns a 3.5L rolled their eyes with your opening comments...
As they should.
Nice! I have the same Arctic Wolf trailer, B and W hitch and Anderson hitch. I pull with a Ram 3500 long bed Dually. I would like to add airbags and a 100 gallon transfer tank for long trips. Maybe in the future.
Former automotive AND recreational vehicle salesman here.
You have a nice setup going on. The airbags and all that is pretty cool. But, you're likely to get someone killed if you tried to do any real excursions with that rig. It may be fine for local 45mph and under trips but that rig should NEVER see highway speeds. It's just not suited for it. Yes, it will pull it. My 2017 Silverado 1/2 ton will pull far more than it is rated for. The main objective in towing anything is being able to safely and effectively stop it. You will not achieve ideal braking distances and times with that rig. You would be endangering all the lives around you by taking that rig out on the open road. And, now, if you were to have a tragic accident you would be royally screwed because you have video evidence that you acknowledge this setup is not entirely safe for distance travel. In short, yeah you can do it but you're really playing with fire and we all know how well that usually plays out for folks.
And he can be sued, held liable, and pay the rest of his life.
If he's lucky. If he's unlucky, jail time.
Legal is or is not. Wow a compressor for the bags. Never thought of that. Hey bring that rigette out here to Wolf Creek Pass and Monarch give it a ringing out.
Yea but you have a chevy, big difference when you are talking about turbos and what they can tow. There are plenty of torture tests on these trucks towing heaving and big up and down steep grades
I got a 15,000 pound 5th maybe fully loaded or max load and got a Chevy Silverado Texas edition it can pull 9,000 maybe up to 12,000. 1,800 payload with 20" tire's I'm thinking about adding turbo to it to get more power. Also remove stuff from the 5th wheel travel trailer not sure if we can get another 2500 or last one broke down twice in one day before we got rid of it.
I currently have a 2016 f150 with eco boost and pull a 7500 lb TT. I am also running air bags to level off the truck. No issues with towing the TT but hate the way it rides over bumps. Makes me want to get another 5’er again.
I have a 2019 Sierra 1500 with the 6.2, and max tow package. Truck is rated to tow 11,300lbs. GVWR on the truck is 3550KG. Truck, 2 people, full tank of gas and some items in the bed is 3100KG. I have 450KG left for pin weight. My Triple E 5th Wheel weighs 600KG on the pin. I am 150KG over the GVWR for the truck, but the trailer weighs 8500lbs loaded. I am over on payload, under on towing. The truck is equipped with airbags and 10ply truck tires. The trailer has brand new electric brakes all around. The truck handles the trailer fine, stops fine and holds highway speed quite nicely. If you drive properly, and have the proper equipment, there is no reason you can't tow with a half ton; within reason ;)
How do you like that new pickup? Did you get the fancy tailgate?
@@JDSOutdoors Sorry I meant 2018. The new tailgates do look pretty functional though.
@@dtaylor5493 ah I do like the 18 style way better. Very sharp trucks
That is until you get into a crash, your fault or not. Good luck with convincing your insurer that they should cover your loses or protecting you from being sued.
Looks cool I’m just looking at a camper and I like the fifth wheel you seem to like the Anderson I like the idea of the ball style hitch
Clearly a lot of the commenting on this video don't understand the truck is rated for 10,000 pounds and is legal to haul this camper ! It just looks weird because the camper is bulky
You do know that pin weight and payload are the other determining factors?
@@msm624 you do realize that the pin weight is the amount of force being pushed down on the suspension of the truck as long as it does not exceed the payload of the truck with occupants it is perfectly fine furthermore if you worried about the pin weight being exceeded you are talking about a hitch rating not a truck rating
Umm. What? Its pretty simple math. And that set up is over the max payload of that truck... get into an accident and he's accountable.
He already stated in the video that it was not over the payload of the truck so why are you arguing that it is?
Because i call bs on the pin weight, 20% of camper weight goes to pin
I sold my 150 and TT. Next is a 5'ver and most likely a dually due to the hitch weight.
But, I just wanted to mention load weight of the truck tires and age of the trailer tires are things to keep in mind.
What do you concern old TT tires?
I'm curious on axle weight. It seems correct on paper but in reality it might over load the rear axle. Not only over weigh axle but exceed the tire weight limits. I had a half ton setup similar but with a conventional tow and it was way over axle weight. Also in a wind storm the truck struggle to stay straight while using a stabilizer system. Also the brakes are not big enough to handle extended use.
The weight on the rear axle will more than double if you slam on the brakes for any reason. This will fold that half ton pickup like a tin can. 1400Lbs of pin weight on a half ton is beyond silly, it's insanity.
I agree with you but these 1/2 ton owners are determined to look past suspension, braking, frame build, etc to SAFELY tow these fifth wheels which are built and sold by an unregulated RV industry who tells 1/2 ton owners that they are 1/2 ton towable
Nobody seems to know what GCWR is. This guy is going to kill someone.
That's a very well thought out set up. I will have to revisit this video here in a few months when I get my truck set up.
Thank you it worked awesome
You could do this, or you could just get a tow vehicle that is rated for pulling trailers that size. I wouldn't use anything less than a 1 ton to pull a fifth wheel trailer. That way, you don't have to make a bunch of mods that may or may not work. Just hook up and go.
Ok! Let's all just run out and buy 1 tons lmao, if u can afford one happy too here it 👍😁 but for people that can't or don't need it, hey do what u got too do 👍🍻
@@tonychandley1309 If you can afford a travel trailer, you can afford a suitable tow vehicle.
I just got the 2018 xlt extended cab so I gave up a little length but got the max trailer tow package and the whistle blow up motor " as u put it. After seeing the torture test video and 470ft/lbs of low end torque I decided to go for it (with extended warranty of course). You're giving up some mpg and tow capacity since your 4wd. I'm 2. I plan on towing a 5th wheel but I don't have money for a setup like yours so I'm just going to put some super heavy duty shocks and see how she does.
Not advised to 5th wheel without max payload (HD payload) 7,850lb. GVWR truck
Great video, however you forgot to do a post airbag inflation measurement. Lol did the bags eliminate the 1.5" drop??
Brother i have a 6 inch lift 2012 fx4 can they switch my rear to air ride to pull a 5thwheel. Your set up is awesome we have alot of mountains in Az how does it do climbing. I think we have the same 5.7. Thx Brian
This was a 5.0. And with a lifted 150 I wouldn't personally. Flat land was great large hills it's hard to beat a diesel
@ I have this rig plus an Anderson 5th wheel hitch. 2015 F150 Ecoboost, 3,000lb and 10.800lb. Over 18,000 miles traveled, very easy and comfortable towing. Like all rigs you have to do your research before you buy. unlike this guy did before making his comments.
Have you pulled over a CAT scale? I'm interested in your axle numbers and weight distribution. RAWR is a big limit on the F150 also - usually around 4000 lbs. I pull a 36' TT with my 13 EcoBoost, also with Firestone airbags, an onboard compressor, and E rated tires. Unreal power there (especially with a little tune)! I certainly don't get 11mpg's - I once got 10 MPG going 55 or less with a little wind behind me - could be the 35in tires tho lol. Gas is cheap - drink it up!
I haven't. The only thing I've weighed is the pin and that was 1450 loaded
@@JDSOutdoors Way over payload capacity fool
People seem to think it's what your tow capacity is but everyone seems to forget the most important thing is stopping. 3/4 ton trucks with bigger brakes and braking power are safer period. If money is an issue go down a trim line. You can get a F 250 XLT gas for the same or less then a optioned up the hoop F 150.
Yes, and I didn't hear any mention of the payload spec for this particular F150 or the pin weight of this 5th wheel.
He stated pin wait was 1450
Nice setup. Looks like it work really great. Curios about cost for sure though. I would also agree with the whistle blower being a great engine. Mine tows my 9k lbs rig no problem. Well other than getting gas at these stations with poor pump alignments for trailers to get through.
I have a half ton and a 1 ton I have towed my boat legally with my 1/2ton cross country itll do it. I have also and currently do it with the 1 ton because its so much more comfortable and sturdy that its not even a question.
THANKS FOR THE GAS MILEAGE #'S. WHAT'S YOUR TRAVEL SPEED ON THE HWY WHEN TOWING?
55-65 tops I like 60
Epic compressor, remember to empty water from bottom.
WTFFFF you only have 3 leaf springs??
Yoo I don’t think I can care if you have an air bag, the springs hold the frame on the axle.
Go to trick trucks get 2 more springs added each side idek what to say. Somehow I could be wrong but that doesn’t seem proper.
Other than that hella nice truck dude and info.
But if you did understand that hitch I would have explained it. Cuz most people have to just bolt the frame rail to the bed, and the rail under bed to the frame. With L bracket. That Anderson hitch is convenient and clean.
I did a price and build with a 2019 F250 XLT 6.2L (set up the same as my 2017 F250) vs your F 150 XLT (as close as I could get it) and near as I can tell the F150 is only $2000 less. That was without the leather seats in the F150 that it appears you have. Now you put on your upgrades and they are very close in price if not more for the F150. Also about fuel consumption when hauling. I did a 4700 km (Canada) trip this year and over the entire trip got 21L per 100KM that's 13MPG. My 5th wheel is about 8000lbs dry weight. I'm Just trying to give you some options if you ever considered trading it in or getting a bigger RV.
I also have a 18 350 6.7 for long hauls this is a short distance driver
that is hideous fuel consumption, imho that is not an 'option'.
@@waynesorensen7071 As an update in Canada we have the clean energy act which adds more ethanol into regular gas. As a result just add about 3 Liters per hundred km. I will be switching to a diesel as soon as it's built.
I would bet money that you will be upgrading your truck to a 2500 this year. Until then i hope you keep the rubber side down .. Cheers
Why would I do that? An f250 diesel has a payload of only 300lbs more then this f150. Would be a waste to spend that kind of money to gain so little in payload.
Gaining payload from stiffer springs or airbags on a F150 still leaves you with an F150.. Its still a 1/2 ton chassis no matter how you look at it..
Good luck
@@firemarshal3738 you dont gain payload from air bags. You gain load stability. And your right it's a half ton, with a half ton towable camper that's within it's legal numbers.
@@JDSOutdoors BS. Payload capacity is all cargo and passengers not whats in the bed idiot.
Never cared for kinemaster because of the subscription. Powerdirector is a one time buy and no watermarks.
I've wasted too much time reading comments but i can see you have a lot of skeptics here. Good luck.
Man straight up dissed the V6 eco boost 😂
Yeah that statement kinda rubbed me slightly raw but it's OK, that's his feeling, I have a 2020 F150 with Max tow, 6.5 bed and the BadAss 3.5 Ecoboost that will out pull the 5.0 any day of the week and I'm setting up to legally pull a 5th wheel camper similar to his set up here. I spent over 20 yrs as a Senior Master Certified Technician in a Ford dealership so I know all the engines and I chose the Ecoboost, so ....I now have 15k miles with absolutely zero issues and it's a Beast. Also it drives me crazy when people call those Air Bags (that's part of the restraint system) I have installed plenty of those AIR SPRINGS on customer trucks. Nice video overall, Thanks.
The Ecoboost puts out more power than his V8, all while being more fuel efficient...
@@toddrisser2790 Yes indeed, I have unfollowed alot of groups in facebook because there is a following of foolish people that don't have a clue what they are talking about. Remember I spent 21 yrs in the dealership as the top certified tech working on both gas and diesel along with every line of Ford, Mercury & Lincoln over the yrs. I walked away in 9/2017 to start a new career in machining @ aircraft manufacturer (Air Tractor)
I got 10 mpg towing a heavy fully loaded flatbed (rated at 14,000) with my '99 Dodge 2500 8L V-10. I barely knew it was loaded. How much more did all that extra equipment cost just to make it work that well?
If you are under or at 10,000 should be fine. I double towed that much with a Nissan Titan rear hitch in Colorado Mountains for 4 years or so. (No air bags)
Your an idiot.
thanks for the video. Whats the size of your bed?
I agree with other post not to pull with 1/2 ton bud way better to get 3/4 or 1 ton, if you gonna do it change out those brakes for much bigger ones on all 4 corners.
I watch a lot of truck vids. This is well done and nice setup. Happy trailering!
Thanks man I appreciate it
I like it. I mean I would have gone with the 3.5 . It is proven to work and they dont just blow up. My only concern would that you are maxing out what that truck can do. Forget the motor. I would worry about the transmission. However, if your towing is flat land or small hills I am sure it would be fine. The wife and I thought about this route, but opted for a big toy hauler, so I had to go dually all the way.
I've had horrible luck with the eco. This trans is proven and I've pulled 9% grades with it no issues. Nothing pulls like a super duty though
Buy a F250 a few years older. Sure it works but is it the right tool for the job?
It working by all measures means it is right.
My 5th wheel is an Arctic Fox weighing in at 6700 lbs, I should be fine with 140.5 wheel base and a 5.7 Hemi, right? That hitch and air compressor setup is really nice, very clean. Thumbs up!!!
It's all in the payload. If those numbers are in spec your good. By the sounds my guess is yes. Thank you
No the numbers aren’t all in the payload...... stop giving out false info. Do your own research sir. It’s all in the GCWR. Subtract your trucks weight “with peoples and articles” and that’ll give you your trucks max towing capabilities. Payload capacity is only for hitch weight; which is irrelevant if you are outside the GCWR “don’t mistake it with GVWR. GVWR is only for the vehicles weight with payload, excluding trailers.” GCWR is total truck and trailer weight. The towing capacity that ford, dodge, and Chevy advertise is actually the GCWR rating, not what the truck can actually tow. You need to subtract your trucks loaded weight from that to get that tow rating. With a 140.5 you might want to check your cab to trailer clearance when turning. You way need to invest in a slider hitch “if your within your GCWR.” The 5.7L should be okay. It’s not the engine that matters, but the gear ratio and transmission you have. The EcoBoost is a more than capable motor. But it doesn’t mean anything with a 3.55 rear end. Do your own research.
@@Justatoy26 My GMC Sierra 1500 GCWR is 16900, GVWR is 7300 Curb is 5428. So the advertised towing of 11,500 is pretty right on,
Good video sir! I have a half ton 2 wheel drive Tundra I wonder if that would make a big difference?
Nice rig but cutting it kinda close on the payload. What’s that tool box and compressor/tank weight? That comes off that number too. I am actually very surprised you’re not being torn apart in the comments. 1/2 ton and 5’er don’t go together in the same sentence. Check out (Big Truck Big RV) on YT. Lots of good info on do’s and donts.
Seen em and yep I am right at max with payload. The 30 lb tool box with compressor and tank aren't enough weight to worry about and after all it is a half ton towable 5th wheel
If you set it up properly (which seems like he has) and are cautious and know what your doing you should be fine. sometimes it's just not feasible for people to get a 3/4 ton truck just to tow their camper. And half tons are getting more and more capable every year. There is no way I'd attempt this in a half ton 10-15 years ago. Half tons can tow just as much as a 3/4 ton could tow 15 years ago!
Alex Puls 1/2 tons are becoming more capable with manufacturers increasing there max Tow ratings. But pulling 10k is much different then towing 10k. The problem is 1/2 ton pickups just don’t have the mass. I pull a 27’ 6800# TT with a Supercrew F150 FX4 and I feel I’m beyond my limits. I would suggest browsing some RV forums and you will quickly understand how incapable 1/2 tons really are. We plan on upgrading to a 5er in the future so a 1 ton Ford is next on the list.
He's actually probably right with his numbers and actually legal. Just because you could doesn't mean you should. Now he seems to know what he has and knows not to push it long haul in the mountains, so he'll probably get away with it. My issue is that while it seems he's right, others will watch this video without the knowledge he has and try and do the same, possibly with disastrous results. I pull a 19 ft 4700 lb loaded TT behind my ecoboost 150 up high in the mountains, steep grades and high winds. I wouldn't go much more than 6500 with a TT on my setup. Legally I'm good for 10,000. Option for the truck to go up to 13,000lbs.
Looking forward to ditching both my truck and trailer for larger units, will probably do both at the same time and buy stuff actually rated to do it nicely without going over 70% of the max rating on the truck to keep it nice and comfortable while towing.
Great video..
Do your air bags and to your payload #
No they only stabilize and level the load. Only way to increase payload is buy a bigger truck.
What RPMs does the 5.0 typically run at when your running at 70mph towing this setup? Your MPGs are great towing.
Great video and awesome setup. That said, do you need chains with that Andersen? Maybe not in your state? Either way, thanks for the info!
Quick question. What made you go with the ball hook up and not a 5th wheel?
Weight. I use my truck to haul stuff often and have to switch back and forth from flat truck bed to hitch installed to haul the 5th wheel. Only lifting 35lbs and installed in minutes is a lot nicer than lifting 100-200lbs. Also have to watch payload. With a traditional hitch I would be over on my payload
Totally understand. Thanks for the reply.
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should
Why not
Don't be such a pussy. Some 5th wheels are made smaller these days to be half ton towable
Great video,I have 2008 Tundra sr5,pulling a 7865,pound trailer,I added sumo springs yellow ones and Bilstein 5100 shocks in back,has a great ride till I have the 5th wheel off ,then strap on your jock and my wife tightens up her bra.wow pretty bumpy ride with no weight I kinda wish I went with the air bags, we live in the north country and winters are bad ,my buddy had lots of problems with the shrater valves leaking because of the salt and snow.still you have to do your own math and calculations,love the hitch Thanks.
Balling on a budget!
Nice gooseneck setup
Great setup 👌
consider purchasing Kinemaster. ;-)Glad I listen to the whole video to hear you say you "use local" but probably not cross country travel. I'm happy with my 16k slider on short bed 2006 RAM 3500. But this hitch is real interesting.
Curious what you keep in the tool box in the bed of the truck. Obviously that adds to payload and so does all the aftermarket goodies you added. You must be over payload.
Nope not over payload at all. That's the air tank and compressor. The video shows it.
if I am not mistaken, the frame between a half ton and a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton is also going to vary Something to consider.
Depends on the truck my 06 ram 1500 megacab has the same frame as the 2500 and 3500 megacab. Basically the only difference is the suspension
Have you taken your rig on the CAT scale. Just would like to see the numbers for each axle with the loaded rig compared to the GVWR.
I haven't unfortunately
Why would you.not use this system for traveling the country? Thinking of going 5th wheel with my 2017 F150. Thank you
That’s not the longest Will base you can get in a F150 you can get an extended cab which I believe is 164 inch wheelbase with an 8 foot bed which has a longer wheelbase than the crew cab 6 1/2 foot bed!!!
2017 is when they introduced the 10 speed automatic with the 6 speed optional. Does this truck have a 6 or 10 speed automatic?
6 speed
I'm getting a 2020 ford f150 getting the max upgrades to it this is perfect video thank you
I love reading the wisdoms from arm chair campers . You clearly state that you are not going cross country with your setup . I would almost go as far the say most of the cry babies couldnt even set up a tent . I for one think you have thought out what is going on . Hell tons of people pull a fifth wheel trailer to the club and never move it again . I wonder how they got along . LOL
I agree with the comments in regards to cost. I purchased a fully loaded 2018 Lariat with Ultimate package, long bed for $74k
Forgot to mention its a F350 SRW
All the weight you put to have more support really the only thing is doing is reducing your payload even further
All accounted for thanks
Just because you have a pickup doesn't mean you can tow anything. I dont think I would elect to tow a 5th wheel with a half ton truck. I've towed a 5th wheel for many years but never with anything less than a 3/4 ton truck.
You do know a 3/4 ton diesel truck has the same payload rating as this truck right? If not go to the dealership and look for yourself
@@JDSOutdoors Comparing the payloads between a 3/4 ton diesel and a 5.0L 1/2 ton is like comparing apples and oranges, for the simple fact that a diesel engine weights way more than a same-sized gas engine, reducing the available payload. Larry Smith is not saying you should get a diesel, just a more capable truck.
From the 2019 Ford towing guide, F-150 super crew with a 6 ft bed and a 5.0L v8 the payload is 2060 lb for a 4x2, 1844 lb for a 4x4. For the F-250 crew cab with a 6 ft bed and a 6.2L v8 the payload is 3057 lb for 4x2 (48% more), 2654 lb for a 4x4 (44% more). Not insignificant differences.
Great vid, but don't discount the ecoboost... I test drove both when I picked out my 2019... 3.5EB ran circles around the 5.0 everywhere except for the exhaust sound. There's a reason why the EB truck has the higher payload and towing. I noticed you don't have a sliding hitch, any turning clearance issues with this set up?
No turning issues at all I can get about 85°
You know tongue weight counts towards GVWR. Fifth wheel is typically 20% of the trailer weight. Assuming you and your wife are an average of 150lbs and you have a full tank of fuel that weights 226lbs. Also the weight of your tool box with the air compressor. That would put you at approximately 2800 pounds. That's about 1k over loaded.
By the way, I sell Ford trucks and I would never ever tell a customer to do this. That's just for all the other comments I seen here.
D W I was wondering where he came up with such a low tongue weight.
Where are all of half ton lovers now? No silly responses?
@@rwjw77 Being a vehicle salesman would explain why you’re so clueless lol.... the weight of a full tank of fuel is included in the payload capacity (hint - google J2807). Fifth wheel pin weights are typically closer to 15% than 20%, and he said he weighed the pin at 1450lbs loaded. His yellow sticker payload capacity is 1900 lbs, with a light added payload in the truck he could be well within his capacity.... how the F do you come up with 2800 lbs? Remind me of where your dealership is and I’ll be sure to avoid it. Lol
@@msm624 Half ton lover here! How are you enjoying the daily drive in your buckboard lumber wagon? 😂
Is this the short bed f 150? Husband says the short bed f 150 can’t tow a 5th wheel. I think it can.
Yes it is it's the 6' bed
Impressive, what kind of fuel economy do you get towing this rig?
Any issues with the AUH setting the pin behind the axle? Getting one of them whistle blowers soon, same body/bed as yours with the HDDP. The AUH has been noted to load up the rear axle more than a regular hitch because it is sets back more? I have to guess though, you are over the rear axle weight with your setup?
It transfers the weight back to the goosneck ball directly over the axle with the way the hitch is designed. The set back only moves the camper back not the weight it's pretty cool. I love the hitch and highly recommend it
JDS Outdoors what do you mean it transfers the weight? We’d really like to tow a 5th wheel with our 2019 ram 1500, but are worried about the payload. We’re willing to add whatever’s necessary but it seems like with a 1970 payload we won’t have enough payload left. Husband weighed truck at dump with 1/2 tank gas and 3 adults and it was 6100 lbs. gvwr of truck is 7100lbs.
I didn't care for the pin being right above the rear axle on my F150. Both the old super duty and the new Super duty are 4" ahead of rear axles. Applies some more pressure to steer axle and helps lead the trailer down the road. Makes a difference in lower traction situations and with braking
I got a 96 ram 1500 automatic, I'm looking at a 27 ft fifth that I'm gonna take with me from Ohio back to Texas. After I get some work done on my truck of course.and it would be a 1 time trip going that way. My truck could tow 6k lbs new, do you reckon it could still tow that worth work?
All depends on your payload. The older trucks dont have much
What is the approximate length of your Arctic Wolf rig or the model number? I’m looking for this length to tow behind my truck with my jet boat behind the 5th wheel? Yes I have my CDL with Doubles Endorsement.
Dont need the endorsement for rvs
31'9"
265dbh8
I’d suggest changing your tires to a heavier load rating Like an “E”. Those wranglers are shit.you have big money spent. Buy better tires.
What is your gross combined weight rating of the truck, payload rating and the rear axle weight (this should be determined on a scale)? You need to account for people in the truck when towed, any extra cargo weight including your hitch setup, weight of trailer with water/food/clothes/etc. I'd suspect you are over the limit or over on every account. Most of this data can be found on the door frame info sticker. I ran into this same problem with my nissan titan xd. Don't take chances with your life or others...
GCWR of this F150 is about 15-16K. Yea he's over that too
@3:13 he gives the weight of the trailer which Arctic Fox's website has gvwr as 9900lbs. He correctly states empty tongue weight, about 1350lbs. He then says that leaves 100 lbs of wiggle in the truck with him and his wife. That wheelbase with the 5.0 can carry 2290lbs of payload, and pull up to 9500lbs with the 3.73.
@@ImerzOnline BS
I am not asking if the vehicle is capable of pulling or have the horsepower to do so what is the factory GVW on the vehicle?? That will determine the ticket you may receive
Yep 7050 with a payload Over 1900
@@JDSOutdoors I have an old 1992 Ford F150 my GVW is only 5200 pounds. I wish it actually had more capacity,,,,, Thanks for the reply
Moving the weight the truck is capable, but the real real real test is how it handles emergency situations? The driver drops off road for brief sec, can the truck safely bring the rv and itself back on the road safely? A kid on a bike rides out in front of you, is the truck able to control the emergency stopping or can it control the rv when make abrupt movements to avoid the obstacles.. I personally for safety reasons would not to a 5th wheel RV with less than a f450 dually.. it would be over kill for this RV but a 1/2 is under kill..
Can a loaded semi be brought back on the road after leaving it? Sometimes it can but most of the time they roll. Soo a 450 is no better.
@@JDSOutdoors if you have a 1/2 truck you do not have the weight to control a 10,000 lb trailer in an emergency situation.. so if you want to risk your life and everyone with you and around you, roll on..
@@goatboycasto since you clearly don't know what your talking about I'll give ya a break but you clearly need a little more experience towing before you give opinions.
@@JDSOutdoors hmmmm, well I am a retired truck driver who drove the Alaskan Highway, towing dozers, road graders, other trailers etc. I have driven in multiple countries transporting cargo,, but it’s ok I don’t know anything good luck hero.
What Artic model do you have? I just got a 2018 whistle blower and looking at the artic 265
That a what this is 265dbh8
Even if the truck is rated for the weight there are other factors to consider... the frontal area of the trailer and the length for example. A longer trailer means it's able to exert more leverage on the truck, if the truck isn't heavy enough to control the weight you can get into some pretty big trouble. The front cross section of a fifth wheel is also generally far larger than what your engine and transmission are designed to handle and can cause early failure regardless of the trailer weight. And don't even get me started on the lack of safety chains on a ball connection....
If the engine and trans wont handle it then why is it rated to do it?
@@JDSOutdoors They can be rated for the weight but may not be rated for the long term output required to continuously overcome the aerodynamic drag of such a tall trailer. It's a commonly overlooked factor that most folks don't consider until they blow something up.
Remember the old Dolphin Toyota motor homes that used to catch on fire on the side of the road all the time? They were rated for the weight but not the aerodynamic drag and resulting engine load they experienced when driven at excess speeds.... that combined with an undersized cooling system resulted in a lot of engines and transmissions blowing up as well as plenty of fires.
A half ton truck isn't really designed for this sort of situation either... and catastrophic failures are likely in the long term.
Probably not a big deal if it's only a couple of hours once or twice a year in cool weather, but I'd sure as heck be keeping a close eye on the engine and transmission temperature while towing.
@@dw7444 when I owned it I watched temps. Even in 6+ hour trips it was never even a degree above normal. Lots of changes have been made even in the last 10 years. It works perfectly fine
@@JDSOutdoors I do believe that a travel trailer has more drag than a 5th wheel. I had a TT, got 9 to 9.5 mpg. Got a 5th wheel now, doing 10 to 10.5 mpg. Have the save setup as you. I was impressed that you had the same add-ons that I used.
@@dw7444 Bullshit.... google J2807 testing standards, all manufacturers rate to the same standard based on actual test results, the numbers are not arbitrarily assigned.
Does the F150s have full floating rear axles? I dunno how safe you are but one thing for sure is you will prematurely tear up components doing this.
No. Semi floating. Which is the reason I would be freaking out with this setup if you broke an axle bearing.
D.O.T inspector and mechanic hear. The title of your video should be “ how I put my family and others on the road in danger” if you were in my state your setup would not be legal. Thank you for putting my family in danger every time your drive on the highway.
Please explain how under the legal numbers is not legal? I'll wait
If you're a dot inspector...you're a dumb one. If hes towing within the vehicle's tow specs, hes fine. Like most people...you're completely uneducated about this stuff.
@@showcasecharlie11 This is where ignorace reigns. Tow capacity is NOT the same as payload. This truck is plain and simple not a safe truck to tow that 5er. Underrated is underrated and therefore will be liable when the accident occurs. In an emergency situation this truck will not be able to manage the weight of that trailer. Lucky is not the same as wise. Do not follow this advice if you want to tow safely.
@@jsbservicesllc176
Well...you are obviously uneducated as well in regard to 5th wheel towing. I've been doing this stuff for over 35 years..professionally.
Never said payload is same as capacity.
Unless you know specifically how this truck is specced and exactly what the weights are for all the units involved, you like the other numbnut is talking out of your ass.
You want to talk payload? We can do that..
Want to talk overall capacity? We can do that..
Want to talk axle weights, tire capacities, GCVWR and how to figure it all out right down to the specific legal particulars...we can do that too.
This man knows what his trailer and cargo weighs, knows what his pin weight is, obviously is comfortable with the trucks weight limits are per that trucks particular specs. If he has weighed his rig and he's under the rated specs for that truck, then he's legal and safe. Most pickup trucks, people don't realize there are 2 different specs for weight regarding a bumper/hitch style setup vs a 5th wheel setup. Typically the 5th wheel weight rating is higher than what is stamped on the door tag.
When dealing with a 5th wheel, you jump into a few different weight issues.
As long as his brakes are proper, his pin weight and added cargo on truck, fuel and hitch are under his particular trucks payload capacity, hes legal there. Then he should be under his axle ratings, and hopefully tire ratings. The trailer cargo capacity while important overall, does not factor into the pin weight. Trailer capacity and its empty weight plus all the other related gear, fuel, passengers, hitch, ect and the trucks weight needs to be under the GCVWR...which he apparently is if hes scaled it and still 150 pounds under the GCVWR.
So many of you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and that includes so called professional dot inspectors. I deal with them on a daily basis and when it comes to RVs...they are completely clueless.
Now as far as most RVs being overloaded in general...that is a whole different topic. The average RV...Gus and Martha, are not going to think about the weight. They just pack whatever crap they have or buy over time and stuff it into the big ol honeymoon mobile and hike on down the road.
@@showcasecharlie11 I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm advocating for safety. I've been towing rigs for nearly 40 years, most of those with 5th wheels and I've seen and experienced some things. I'm sure you can make all the numbers work. "Legal" doesn't automatically equal "safe". As has been stated, just because you can doesn't mean you should, especially when you are potentially influencing others with perhaps a lot less experience. At the end of the day this is still a 1/2 ton truck that can result in white-knuckle driving in normal windy freeway driving or in the unforseen panic situation where the only difference between safe and disaster is your truck. Take care of your family, and those driving around you. Hauling heavy RV's on crowded freeways isn't a competition. Keep ego out of it, make a wise, well-informed choice, and enjoy the trip.
When you pump your airbags up to 40 psi does the truck come back level. i.e. do you get your 1-1/2" back?
Yes I forgot to put that part in but you can actually raise the truck 3" in the rear if you wish
@@JDSOutdoors Thanks, I just bought a Jayco 27.5 rlts. Can't wait until next spring to start pulling it. Your video is very informative.
Nice setup! What range do u get out of a tank of fuel? Thanks
It's been a while since I pulled a full tank but I was getting roughly 400 miles to a tank I had a 36 gal tank as well