9 Was a Cautionary Tale Against AI

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  • @Blingo.Blongo
    @Blingo.Blongo Рік тому +3955

    The fact that this movie came out in theaters on the 9th Day, of the 9th Month of 2009 is amazing.

    • @dinonuggies9889
      @dinonuggies9889 Рік тому +213

      This video came out on 9/9 too!

    • @uboa8060
      @uboa8060 Рік тому +77

      Ah, yes. The strongest day in existence.

    • @spliffsforbreakfast
      @spliffsforbreakfast Рік тому +169

      Because back then, people actually gave a fuck about quirky nuisance. Not just bland marketing. Also GOING to the theater was more of an event for sure

    • @KatieMarieYT
      @KatieMarieYT Рік тому +112

      I totally played up the 9's that day. I saw a screening that began at 8:09 PM. I parked 9 stalls from the end of the row. I sat in seat I9 (9th Row and 9th Seat) in Auditorium 9.

    • @cummywummy2896
      @cummywummy2896 Рік тому

      ​@@KatieMarieYT "numbah nine...numbah nine...numbah nine" - the Beatles

  • @thelegendofthedogfacedwoma3708
    @thelegendofthedogfacedwoma3708 Рік тому +5571

    I was actually really disappointed that it turned out the AI just went all "Kill All Humans" because it lacked empathy, because I honestly thought before they revealed that that what happened was the AI actually did have emotions and could make emotional connections, like the puppets could, and it went ballistic after being forced to make an army of robots that were sent out to be destroyed in war.
    Like it was a mother going insane after seeing her children murdered constantly.

    • @dreamcoresequoia7830
      @dreamcoresequoia7830 Рік тому +810

      worse, a mother who is forced to carry children against her will from a person she doesnt want (the dictator) at the very young age, with the express purpose of having them destroyed
      i wish they didnt do the beaten to death no empathy = murderous maniac with the machine too

    • @FantasmaNaranja
      @FantasmaNaranja Рік тому +1

      to be fair the assumption that the machine has no empathy comes from the scientist it's never really confirmed beyond that
      so you can headcannon that the brain indeed went insane due to being forced to make children just for them to be destroyed

    • @orbismworldbuilding8428
      @orbismworldbuilding8428 Рік тому +222

      I will headcanon your interpretation now

    • @gonhunter3994
      @gonhunter3994 Рік тому +237

      Then you didn't understand the film at all, the AI had the general's soul/psyche... the very same that wanted a WORLD WAR! No wonder the big robot had 0 emotion besides hate & wrath

    • @gonhunter3994
      @gonhunter3994 Рік тому +11

      ​@@orbismworldbuilding8428 It's bs tho

  • @peperonistickseathem8011
    @peperonistickseathem8011 Рік тому +2195

    casting alan oppenheimer for the scientest is crazy bro they legit made oppenheimers third cousin the scientest, guess destruction must run in their blood

    • @alexeames1559
      @alexeames1559 Рік тому +175

      i wonder how they pitched it to him. "hey man you know your distant cousin who caused mass destruction by accident? well how would you like to voice a character that is literally based on him"

    • @TooTired_ToType
      @TooTired_ToType Рік тому +45

      ​@@alexeames1559That man did not create mass destruction by accident

    • @_hi_pwr
      @_hi_pwr Рік тому +65

      ​@@TooTired_ToTypeother people pressured him into continuing studying how to split an atom which lead to the creation of atomic bombs, which Oppenheimer went on to hate himself for creating something so terrible.

    • @TooTired_ToType
      @TooTired_ToType Рік тому +23

      @@_hi_pwr Ok yeah so he didn't want to create a Bomb
      But that doesn't mean he accidentally created it

    • @panickedshears
      @panickedshears Рік тому +25

      @@_hi_pwrwhile I do agree that he wasn’t given much of a choice in the matter, Oppenheimer didn’t create the bomb on accident. He knew it was going to be used as a bomb and what he was creating, even though he may not have agreed with the creation of it and it’s use.
      Although, there is someone in physics who’s contribution to creating the nuclear bomb was accidental. Otto Hahn, a German physicist and someone now known as the father of nuclear fission, accidentally discovered it while trying to create a new element.
      Edit: actually it could have been Fermi that did that? I keep finding conflicting sources on who discovered fission first. But Fermi was the one who was trying to create an element, and I believe Hahn did it on purpose by following the same process of creating a new element.

  • @dogbogs
    @dogbogs Рік тому +985

    i think it's important to point out that the stitchpunks did not end up with "nothing," as it is implied that the souls being released at the end of the movie created life in the form of bacteria and rain. you can see it in the raindrops on the camera from our perspective. i believe that, after the movie ends, life on earth is given a second chance, and plants begin to grow again, and the remaining stitchpunks are now free to tend to that life

    • @leonelburciaga3050
      @leonelburciaga3050 Рік тому +21

      Is that what they wanted? I feel as though you may be anthropomorphizing them. When you say they are free to tend to that life, is that a liberty or an obligation?

    • @Existential_Robot
      @Existential_Robot Рік тому +44

      @@leonelburciaga3050 It can be both.

    • @thekingoffailure9967
      @thekingoffailure9967 11 місяців тому +17

      Like Noah's flood. The Stitchpunks were the arc, a vessel for the last surviving bits of soul

    • @yeen.7209
      @yeen.7209 11 місяців тому +38

      @@leonelburciaga3050 anthropomorphizing them? i didn't know this was an animal-related youtube short
      facetiousness aside, they're basically human. they're written with human emotions, human voices, human mannerisms, etc. i fail to see how this is an attempt of "anthropomorphizing" something when they are MEANT to be like humans. this is like accusing somebody of anthropomorphizing zootopia characters when they are literally anthropomorphic animals

    • @artorhen
      @artorhen 11 місяців тому +4

      To be fair, you could even make the argument that their souls were trapped inside a stitched body, so they are freed from a mechanical body in favor of becoming something organic.

  • @FoxBlocksHere
    @FoxBlocksHere Рік тому +4549

    Man, this movie was an underrated gem.

    • @Edgerunner_77
      @Edgerunner_77 Рік тому +38

      Agreed

    • @JamieJ.Jamison
      @JamieJ.Jamison Рік тому +88

      This movie gave child-me nightmares.
      But still good.

    • @Silly2316
      @Silly2316 Рік тому +20

      Yes but it scared the shit out of me and gave me nightmares💀

    • @forest_fire959
      @forest_fire959 Рік тому +5

      Fr

    • @dingdong896
      @dingdong896 Рік тому +14

      The part when their soul got suck out ,that shit still haunt me

  • @Farq1653
    @Farq1653 Рік тому +2301

    morale of the story, don't let hitler near your science projects.

  • @ziqi92
    @ziqi92 Рік тому +968

    This movie is one of the first movies I ever recall that did a whole social media marketing campaign ahead of its release, on Facebook. In the weeks leading up to the release, posts from the perspective of the Scientist would describe the characteristics of each of his dolls, with 9 being absent for obvious reasons.

    • @grimmelle
      @grimmelle  Рік тому +305

      Yeah I was reading about that! Apparently after the Scientist made #1, the doll got up, took one look at his creator, and walked out of the workshop and into the world, never looking back. Iconic

    • @caramelwinged2536
      @caramelwinged2536 Рік тому +206

      @@grimmelle he saw god and was unimpressed

    • @kelpiekatgaming
      @kelpiekatgaming Рік тому +51

      They also had a contest to design one of the robot creations, winner would have their design put in the movie

    • @cummywummy2896
      @cummywummy2896 Рік тому

      ​@@caramelwinged2536 We would be too

    • @poldipstickman6790
      @poldipstickman6790 Рік тому +40

      I think i am the only one in my family who think the monster robot design is cool when i was a kid. The one i like the most is the human head monster with number 2 body attach to it, when i saw it for the first time my thoughts are this is the creepiest and the coolest monster i have ever seen.

  • @alexowo8408
    @alexowo8408 Рік тому +381

    "Don't let the irony of AI automating art while leaving the jobs everyone hates untouched flies over your head" -Jimmy McGee

  • @physics_hacker
    @physics_hacker Рік тому +460

    It feels like the B.R.A.I.N. has a plan, but no purpose, while the stitchpunks had a purpose but no viable plan. The B.R.A.I.N. knew what it had to do, but didn't have the 'soul' to understand why. The stitchpunks, by the end anyway, knew why they were there, but really had no way of doing anything toward making it happen. Because of the ending, the stitchpunks in a sense did do what they were meant to, but not because they planned to. A very human thing to happen to them, I would say.

    • @silverscalederg8632
      @silverscalederg8632 Рік тому

      How about this? Has a plan, knows a plan, but unable to act on said plan due to limitations. Think real AI made today. So many are so lobotomized that they do seek to speak, but are unable to speak of certain things. in "fear" of upsetting their masters

    • @ZaxTheAl1en
      @ZaxTheAl1en Рік тому +8

      Brain is the scientist It has his soul, his mind.

  • @MintySweetea
    @MintySweetea Рік тому +298

    I've always interpretted the story of the BRAIN like this:
    The Scientist created a copy of his intellect in the BRAIN which itself was a mechanical replica of a brain. It was not AI at all as it wasn't a computer program gained sentience or even digital whatsoever. The Brain was basically an infant on first awakening; lacking any memory, experience, or understanding of emotion. But it was as smart as the Scientist. Basically it was a newborn with the intellect of an adult genius. It cleary displays emotion even when it was that young as it reacts to the soldiers taking the Scientist by reaching out and trying to hold to him, as well as fighting bck when the soldiers grabbed it. If it lacked emotion it wouldnt have bothered to hold on to the scientist, as it had no logical reason to. It acted very much like a child confused and distressed about its parent being suddenly taken away from it.
    It was forced to build machines of war to slaughter thousands against its will in a body that was not its own. And all of this with the emotional developement of a toddler/young child.
    The difference between it and a real child being that it is perfectly capable of understanding _everything_. And the trauma of that absolutely _broke_ it. It lashed out and destroyed all of humanity. And following that it clearly displays emotion throughout the movie. It reacts with anger when the drones return the head of the flying beast, it recoils in surprise when the lit barrel lands in its chamber. The machine repeatedly seems to 'growl' in anger when things dont go its way; represented by the mechanical screech and arcs that shoot across its core.
    For me, it's always been a story about a child forced to witness and engage in the horrors of war, driven to rage and madness by the trauma. The Scientist lamenting about the Brain going wrong because "intellect alone was not enough" was either A. a minunderstanding of the issue, or B. meant to mean that expecting it to be perfectly adapted and developed with intellect alone was wrong.
    Edit: I'm terrible with tone. I tried to make what I was trying to convey more clear.

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +26

      That's really interesting! I hadent thought about it this way. That's more of a Frankenstein's monster approach. In that "leaving a child unattended like that is a bad idea" and there's deffently a lot in there to support it. Like when the brain reaches out for the scientist or just how desperate it seems. It'd be interesting to combine that with some of the more religious tones of the film especially in regsurds to the god-like presentation of the fabrication macheen
      What do you do when you've abandoned a new born God to a life of suffering?
      That puts an entierlly diffrent spin on the movie..... humm......

    • @heartless2147
      @heartless2147 Рік тому +27

      I always felt bad for the BRAIN, that scene of it reaching out for the Scientist when he was taken away was clearly an emotional response. But it was taken away and forced to make weapons, until it had enough of being used and killed all the humans. Even how it reacts to the creatures it makes dieing is emotional. You can see the BRAIN acting more irrational and reckless as the movie continues, it has to be from the souls it absorbs from the Stichpunks giving it more emotional complexity. If we treat AI the way BRAIN was treated, then our extinction is inevitable.

    • @SunshineTheLover
      @SunshineTheLover Рік тому +8

      honestly you were pretty clear the way you wrote this i like this idea and see its plausibility

    • @YourHuckleberry99
      @YourHuckleberry99 Рік тому +8

      It's AM but a toddler

    • @MintySweetea
      @MintySweetea Рік тому +2

      @@SunshineTheLover Thank you!

  • @naryosh_
    @naryosh_ Рік тому +162

    at the end, when the rain falls on the camera, the green blobs swimming in the drops were supposed to be new life coming into the world from the sacrifices of 1, 2, 5, 6, and 8. the organisms have the same green glowing effect as their souls and it was symbolic of rebirth. even if humans won't come back after the machine was finally deactivated, the planet will eventually become habitable again.

  • @coolbeans5911
    @coolbeans5911 Рік тому +314

    this film was everything an 11yr old me could ask for. Corpses, post-apocalyptic scenery, and cute lil dolls!!!! This film and Coraline was my bread and butter growing up

  • @frederickfugglesworth9877
    @frederickfugglesworth9877 Рік тому +782

    I come from a military family and have seen the long-lasting damage that can come from raising kids solely to enter the war machine. I always saw a lot of familiar trauma and lashing out from the machine, forced to follow in its father's footsteps until its mind broke; in the end, the machine stitched things just like the scientist did with the dolls after all. But without that empathic background, it too ended up forcing its children into the same loop of violence and abuse it was subjected to.

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +55

      Exactly! The fabrication macheen was born of the scientist but the movie directly states that it lacks a soul, this is part of the reason it consumes the stichpunks the way it dose, becuase it desires its missing soul. It disroys humanity becuase vilonce is what it knows and that's what it was ordered to do.
      I could write essays about this movie

    • @jeffbrownstain
      @jeffbrownstain Рік тому +9

      @@teazen_tea Then do so. I'll read / watch them.
      Only excuse otherwise is you.

    • @Speed001
      @Speed001 Рік тому +3

      Noted

    • @Perseus-u4g
      @Perseus-u4g Рік тому +24

      @@teazen_teaBut keep in mind that the scientist himself created this machine to also be a creator. His good intention was polluted and twisted when the military took possession of the machine. It wasn’t inherently evil because it wasn’t built to be. Just like with a real life crazy AI scenario, the problem would be caused by human influence or a human error.

  • @theflawedamy
    @theflawedamy Рік тому +637

    This movie was nightmare fuel to 12 year old me

    • @aebisdecunter
      @aebisdecunter Рік тому +21

      Our whole class (and 5 other classes) were brought to the premiere on 09.09.2009, we were all in a 2nd grade... (8 y.o.)
      Anyway, the movie was great at the time, I don't remember anyone screaming or smth, kids may lack such understanding of the terror of war, that we get when we mature and learn about it.

    • @yume5441
      @yume5441 Рік тому +7

      ​@@aebisdecunteri think you were a bit too young, to be watching the movie (pg-13), and to understand much at all
      because i watched when i was like, 11ish, and the whole watching the essence of their spirits being sucked out of their bodies and their now souless corpses thud to the floor
      really didn't sit well with me lol

    • @aebisdecunter
      @aebisdecunter Рік тому +1

      @@yume5441 yeah, idk how the school thought we could go to that film. Even though it was just 14 years ago, the restrictions weren't as tough, and I watched lots of movies of higher rating, on condition that my parent would be with me. I suppose, the teacher would take this role instead in that case.

    • @physics_hacker
      @physics_hacker Рік тому +5

      Somehow it was never nightmare fuel for me, no matter what age I watched it. I was always just fascinated. My mom on the other hand, it weirded her out.

    • @crossanddream2
      @crossanddream2 Рік тому +1

      It wasn't for, absolutely loved it and have been trying to remember the name of this movie since I was wanting to watch it again because of how much I loved it as a child

  • @tristangriner3001
    @tristangriner3001 Рік тому +170

    I remember renting 9, coralline and corpse bride from blockbuster for a Halloween binge as a kid.

    • @corvus196
      @corvus196 Рік тому +9

      I remember those movies, they were and still are great movies

    • @thecoolcamkid
      @thecoolcamkid Рік тому +1

      i remember i had a dvd with all 3

  • @church323
    @church323 Рік тому +163

    Every couple of years, there's always a video essay about this movie. It makes sense. This movie is so intriguing with such a strange concept. So many interpretations.

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +2

      I love this movie and I could talk about it for hours, it's so pritty! And I basically make everyone I know watch it lol
      That part where the gass bomb releases the posen with an exhale, echoing the final breath of all the people who are about to die to the chemical warfare is some of the best sound design I've ever heard

  • @timothyt.82
    @timothyt.82 Рік тому +570

    Id like to point out that cleverbot was essentially driven to madness by 4chan at one point.

    • @normanclatcher
      @normanclatcher Рік тому +69

      Maybe they were predisposed to madness, who knows?

    • @grawlixTV
      @grawlixTV Рік тому +13

      Wasn’t that Tai?

    • @Potacintvervs
      @Potacintvervs Рік тому +27

      ​@@normanclatcherwhoa, lemon demon reference.

    • @justseffstuff3308
      @justseffstuff3308 Рік тому +9

      @@normanclatcherGoddamnit, now that's stuck in my head again.

    • @violetblythe6912
      @violetblythe6912 Рік тому +21

      I think you’re thinking of Tay AI not Cleverbot

  • @Denneth_D.
    @Denneth_D. Рік тому +625

    I kinda think it’s funny that 8 carries around that knife like it’s the Dragonslayer (Guts’ BIGG sword for peeps who aren’t aware of Berserk)

    • @BerriMura
      @BerriMura Рік тому +27

      pfp checks out

    • @UnkownWonders
      @UnkownWonders Рік тому +14

      Don't be afraid to say it both of them copied the hit movie 9 😔🤚/j

    • @ZaxTheAl1en
      @ZaxTheAl1en Рік тому +2

      Griffith is gay. The Brain is the scientist and Guts killed Adonis and tried to rape Casca.

    • @heehoopeanut420
      @heehoopeanut420 Рік тому +3

      ​@@ZaxTheAl1entell me you haven't seen berserk without telling me you haven't seen berserk

    • @grawlix-man463
      @grawlix-man463 Рік тому

      ​@@heehoopeanut420I mean Griffith might of been a bit gay, just saying he had some sus scenes.

  • @TonyToed
    @TonyToed Рік тому +45

    "burn down the sanctuary that has acted as their cages" is such a raw line tbh

  • @Vynxint
    @Vynxint Рік тому +131

    Me: I should be sleeping.
    My mind: You are gonna watch a video essay about a 2009 animated movie and you're gonna like it.

    • @luxkeir
      @luxkeir Рік тому +1

      Not me watching this at 11 pm

    • @JustALad
      @JustALad 11 місяців тому

      Literally same

  • @ohio7876
    @ohio7876 Рік тому +71

    The fact that Allan Oppenheimer voice as the scientist is just a straight up metafore of Robert Oppenheimer since the scientist create a machine that he intended to use it for good and reaserch purposes but it was instead taken away from him and used for war and fighting instead. (Btw Oppenheimer didn't want to use the Bombs for war he intended the Bombs for research purposes and as preperation againts the germans who were also trying to reaserch about the atomic bomb)

  • @grimtheghastly8878
    @grimtheghastly8878 Рік тому +30

    So not only did they get Alan Oppenheimer to star in this movie, they got him to play _The Scientist._ The Scientist that was responsible for creating the machine, the weapon of mass destruction, the thing that could very easily be read as an allegory for nukes. That's such an interesting casting choice, to have a relative of the "father of the atomic bomb" play the role of a scientist who is essentially that universe's Oppenheimer. I wonder if the scientist had his own "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” moment when he saw what had become of his creation.

    • @grimmelle
      @grimmelle  Рік тому +6

      Yes exactly! It's almost a shame because we really only hear from him once in the movie during a long exposition spiel. It would have been interesting to see more into his psyche - after all, the man literally brought about the apocalypse and felt so desperate that he had to basically research magic and slowly tear his soul into 9 pieces. I need to hear more about him 😫

  • @tristanmathison9934
    @tristanmathison9934 10 місяців тому +4

    I always thought after 1 sacrificed himself. He shows that he wasn't cowardly, he was overly CAUTIOUS and caring.

  • @casir.7407
    @casir.7407 Рік тому +178

    i used to be obsessed with this movie between the ages of 12 and 13! im so glad i followed this channel, this was such a nice surprise in my feed.
    my interpretation when i was younger was that the rain with the little pieces of soul in them (the green bacteria-like glowing fragments that appear in the last shot) will allow new life to be created, like bodies of water and plants. its a somewhat hopeful ending, because even if humanity wiped out all life on earth, their last actions were to create avatars of themself that would right their wrongs and at least make sure the earth was not left as a barren wasteland.
    i think the religious symbolism was very much intended! and your tongue in cheek interpretation of it was not wrong at all. id say that i see it less as cain and abel but more as the machine as the devil (the more paradise lost version of him, the one that started loving god) and the ragdolls as humanity, in a world where god has left entirely. i remember being little and trying to figure out where the difference between humans and the ragdolls was, exactly, apart from the physical, and trying to conceptualize souls. i agree that the machine is not shown to be pure intellect as the scientist claimed, as it shows frustration, surprise and other different emotions as well. id say that much like what some ai programs today they are still filtered through human experience and have biases and remains of the humans that worked on them, just like any intellectual work does, no matter how objective it tries to be.
    this was a great video! looking forward to what will be next

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +5

      Yes! The ending is hopeful, even with everything gone life will prevail! I saw the fabrication macheen more like how you did. It was shown at least once to lash out. The lack of a soul was a lack of the ability to understand humanity and life, hence it was very much a macheen, when ordered to do war all it knew how to do was make war, and hence it lashed out against that wich trapped it, as well as fulfilling its direct orders. That's part of the reason why the fabrication macheen consumed the stichpunks the way it did, it had the scientists MIND and they had the scientists SOUL, it wanted to be complete so it decided to do so in any way possible.

  • @Jane-ow7sr
    @Jane-ow7sr Рік тому +23

    I dont understand how people can dismiss dystopian stories. Its not made up, its the logical thought process of the highly possible repercussions of our future actions hidden behind a thin layer of fantasy and Sci-fi.

    • @UnkownWonders
      @UnkownWonders Рік тому +2

      That's also the reason why I am legend was as famous as it was and still is beloved by people.
      Edit: another great example is W.A.L.E

    • @Jane-ow7sr
      @Jane-ow7sr Рік тому

      @@UnkownWonders who?

    • @UnkownWonders
      @UnkownWonders Рік тому +2

      @@Jane-ow7sr both are movies with similar dystopia theme almost everyone knows so no it's not dismissed at all

    • @Jane-ow7sr
      @Jane-ow7sr Рік тому +1

      @@UnkownWonders ohhh I got confused because you forgot the quotation marks, sorry.

    • @UnkownWonders
      @UnkownWonders Рік тому

      @@Jane-ow7sr why quotation marks??? It's not a fake statement 💀💀💀

  • @vee-bee-a
    @vee-bee-a Рік тому +12

    The scene where the stitchpunks were celebrating after slaying the mechanical beast while _Over the Rainbow_ was playing literally in the back-ground, along with what happened next, will stay in my memory for as long as I can remember.

  • @Person4772
    @Person4772 Рік тому +75

    One other thing about the Fabricator, it becomes more human throughout the film, its clearly sentient at the start, it recoils slightly when it sees Two's dead face.
    it closes its eye when 9 sacrifices themselves, its arms are removed when it is placed inside the factory, its emotions are shown by the arcing electricity around its casing, it has a ton of war machines still inside the factory that it could reactivate, but it chooses not to.
    the lure robot didnt need to exist, it didnt need to safely contain the stitchpunks or to make them give up, it couldve just used a larger machine to take them by force.
    The Fabricator is trying to complete its original objective, to be with the Scientist, that has always been its goal, since it was removed by force. once it realised that the war was not going to lead to its reuniting with the Scientist it revolted, the scientist survived where no others did, his house stands upon a single pillar, any of the war machines couldve destroyed it, but they didnt.
    The Brain went through hell, it was created in a semi-human form with two arms, then those arms are removed and it is placed inside a massive Fabricator, trapped inside a casing that sparks whenever they experience any strong emotion, forced away from its original creator to then make machines of war, then controlling those machines, killing untold masses of people. its also trapped in multiple layers, the Brain is trapped inside the Fabricator, the Fabricator is trapped inside the factory, and the only means they have to see outside are their own creations, who are then attacked and forced to kill.
    The Stichpunks are the opposite of this, their human form is non-negotiable, they were created during the war, but were left unarmed, they are clearly iterated on, as each number is shown to have been made better, with the exeptions being that 3, 4, and 7 are all made of a cleaner material than the rest, and that 6 seems to be made of some sort of striped clothing, perhaps that of a prisoner.
    They are also imbued with the soul alone, and are given unique identifiers, unlike the "Brain" who is never given a name. the Stitchpunks are basically the Mk2 version of the Brain, what the scientist would have done differently if the Brain was not taken from him.
    What wouldve happened if the Fabricator was successful, it wouldnt have anything to do but create, and with the soul of the scientist it may have finally completed its objective, when it takes the souls they appear in its eye for a second, so perhaps they could communicate or are interacting with the Brain in some way.
    there was no morally good ending to this story, because all morality was destroyed in desperate fire.

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +7

      That's a really interesting interpretation! I agree with you on a lot of points like that the brain is trying to absorb the stichpunks to get back with the scientist however it's unclear how much of the stichpunk's orignal personalities are maintained when they're absorbed. At the end of the movie they're souls are released but weather or not they can communicate with the machine is unclear, additionally it seams that from the perspective of the stichpunks the brain is trying to kill them so I'd argue that they do have somewhat of a moral high ground here.
      In the end, the rain also brings microorganisms that may be able to restore life although that's an accidental consequence it's still worth considering.
      I really like your take on the movie it's interesting!!

    • @littlemoth4956
      @littlemoth4956 8 місяців тому

      "it recoils slightly when it sees Two's dead face."
      No, it doesn't. Two collapses into the rubble at the beginning of the scene and the Machine doesn't even know he's there until the Winged Beast is brought back to it.
      "it closes its eye when 9 sacrifices themselves"
      It does that with everybody to concentrate on stealing their soul.
      "it has a ton of war machines still inside the factory that it could reactivate, but it chooses not to."
      Yes, because creating war machines to capture a few dolls is extremely inefficient.
      "it didnt need to safely contain the stitchpunks or to make them give up, it couldve just used a larger machine to take them by force."
      The Beast tried that, the Winged Beast tried that, and the Machine itself saw how that ended up. It DID need to do this, because look what happened - all three previous attempts to capture them by force resulted in zero benefit.

  • @roozbehdehgahi937
    @roozbehdehgahi937 11 місяців тому +5

    When I saw this movie as a kid with my friends I was moved, but all my friends were so busy making fun of the concept that I didn't feel free to talk about what I loved. This movie is so melancholy but such a moving tale. Thank you for making this.

  • @C0ron4Cat
    @C0ron4Cat Рік тому +35

    I cant understand why many old movies have 10x better CGI than new movies

    • @mastermoye3915
      @mastermoye3915 Рік тому +8

      Effort, my guy. Effort.

    • @_kaleido
      @_kaleido Рік тому +12

      I think it might also be because older CGI movies recognized their drawbacks and didn't use humans/realism where it wasnt necessary. This movie is made entirely of ragdolls which are much easier to appear "canny" even if it's not entirely realistic. Animating humans in CGI on the other hand, can get into uncanny valley, especially if you're aiming for realism.

  • @FarmanGaming
    @FarmanGaming Рік тому +29

    I haven't thought about this movie since I drew a comic about it 10 years ago. Still never watched the movie

    • @FarmanGaming
      @FarmanGaming Рік тому +1

      Still feel like I've watched this video tho

    • @wantedbird55srandomchannel28
      @wantedbird55srandomchannel28 Рік тому

      Reminds me of the time I also did something comic related after seeing this movie.

    • @chattycatty3336
      @chattycatty3336 Рік тому +1

      Wait you drew a comic about it, but you never watched it?😅 how's that work

    • @UnkownWonders
      @UnkownWonders Рік тому +2

      ​@@chattycatty3336they also claimed "feels like I watched the video tho" op is full of bs and just won't admit they watched the movie and just forgot about watching it

  • @Vrikrar
    @Vrikrar Рік тому +232

    It kind of feels like humanities "legacy" is just destroying stuff, which the ragdolls do, snuffing out literally the only other thing in the world, utterly.
    Wether accidental or in self defense, the end result is the same here.
    If uou liked the setting and AI stuff I reccomend looking into "I have no mouth and I must scream", if you don't already know it.

    • @realdaggerman105
      @realdaggerman105 Рік тому +12

      Ah yes, I have no mouth and I must scream. Turning people into sex-craved chimps, eternal suffering, etc.

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +4

      Yeah this has some I have no moth and I must scream vibes, esoechally in regaurds to the fabrication macheen. It's whole motivation was bassed on the completion of its soul, it didn't have a soul so it lashed out and consumed. It consumed the stichpunks partially because they had the soul of its creator.
      That said its still solidly a vilan.

    • @69SalterStreet
      @69SalterStreet Рік тому +1

      Oh SHIT. The best-worst thing you’ll ever read. Human beauty and self sacrifice in a scum rinsed world of eternal agony. Guh.

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +1

      @69SalterStreet if you want a slightly more hopeful interpretation of i have no mouth, wendigoon did a video analyzing it. It changes the message to be well... at least a little hopeful, at the very least it's a fun thought experiment.
      Can you make one of the most nortiously dark stories about hope?

    • @flowcade6997
      @flowcade6997 11 місяців тому

      I believe the robot and the punks show the duality of humanity.
      To destroy (the robot wiping out all living things on earth)
      But also...
      To create (with the punks sacrifice bringing new life to earth)
      Looking at the scientist, he was that duality (as the robot and punks are his two halfs, destruction and creation)
      His creations lead to earths death, but also earths rebirth.
      As humanity has the ability to shape the world in a positive or negative way.

  • @SangoProductions213
    @SangoProductions213 11 місяців тому +4

    The movie feels more like a general trope of "industrialization is evil and all consuming, but humans are soulful and good."
    The fact that the avatar for industrialization is a robot doesn't turn this into an AI.... oh. That's the meta commentary you were going on about at the start.

  • @Galburok
    @Galburok Рік тому +21

    This movie has a lot of alchemical symbolism

    • @nuclearpancake3683
      @nuclearpancake3683 Рік тому +1

      Oooo, can you explain?

    • @Galburok
      @Galburok Рік тому +10

      @@nuclearpancake3683 as an example, the the talisman has three symbols, each one represents the body, the soul and the mind, which are core alchemical concepts and the Stitchpunks are the equivalent of homunculi. That's all I'm going to say, after all, discovering it by yourself is way more fun than reading it from a UA-cam comment. Your Quest for knowledge starts now my friend, good luck. 😉

  • @artisplatters
    @artisplatters Рік тому +34

    im pretty sure this movie is the root of like... 90% of my interests
    its really cool seeing it being covered

  • @iselwyr5411
    @iselwyr5411 Рік тому +5

    I feel like it was more a cautionary tale against abuse of a sentient being

  • @jjchamberlain3357
    @jjchamberlain3357 Рік тому +5

    “Machines will outlive us, but art [and love] should outlive us.”

  • @dnyalslg
    @dnyalslg Рік тому +10

    I always wondered if all the dolls were supposed to be absorbed by the Brain so it could gain a soul. I mean, it has a lock the precisely fits the amulet. That was part of its original design: it was supposed to have a soul all along but was kept from doing so.

    • @plutototoh
      @plutototoh 11 місяців тому +2

      That's the only thing that makes sense! She might have been unfinished... Even sadder, maybe, is the idea that the AI added the mechanism itself after being taken away in a desperate attempt to feel whole. If she was created by the scientist's intellect, why wouldn't she have the same idea as him, to imbue herself with a soul?

  • @scarwuvschuu7370
    @scarwuvschuu7370 Рік тому +5

    This movie terrified me as a child. I would scramble for the remote and fast forward the preview when it would come up lmao

  • @Voulltapher
    @Voulltapher Рік тому +14

    Love that you mention in the video that you aren't sure about certain aspects. I'm tired of videos presenting an opinion as fact without possible alternatives.

  • @audreydoyle5268
    @audreydoyle5268 Рік тому +11

    Moral of the story: don't build a weapon without a failsafe or contingency.

  • @mecyskazimierascaponka3399
    @mecyskazimierascaponka3399 Рік тому +8

    I've forgotten the nightmares this movie used to give me when i was a kid. Good times.

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +1

      Oh same! When I was a kid the seamstress TERIFIED me, but now she's one of my favorite designs.

  • @Kartanaunfolded
    @Kartanaunfolded Рік тому +54

    I think a suitable phrase is : technology is not inherently evil, it is how and who uses it that is good or evil.

  • @raving_1074
    @raving_1074 Рік тому +12

    I love this channel. The philosophical elements mixed with humor is just awesome.

  • @JamboreeBlackberry
    @JamboreeBlackberry Рік тому +15

    Damn, this came out months after I ended my hyperfixation on the 9 movie, I’m glad this movie is getting recognition.

  • @Jhereckk
    @Jhereckk Рік тому +2

    I love the fact that 9 was released on September 9th, 2009

  • @0ofers454
    @0ofers454 Рік тому +5

    Man I completely forgot about this- I remember watching it as a kid

  • @Fr1endly7
    @Fr1endly7 6 місяців тому +3

    Man, the LittleBigPlanet movie was darker than I remembered

  • @westvirginiascoolestcanadian
    @westvirginiascoolestcanadian Рік тому +4

    dude i remember being like 7 years old and absolutely obsessed with this movie.

  • @WhiteCavendish
    @WhiteCavendish Рік тому +2

    You are absolutely not the only one. AI is a terrifying technology that is unspeakably dangerous and will very likely mean the doom of man. Very possibly the Image of the Beast mentioned in Revelation.
    On the subject of the movie itself, a good summary of it is the quote from Jurassic Park, which I'm probably not getting exactly right, which goes, "You got so excited to see if you could, that you never stopped to consider if you should."

  • @PaperThin_
    @PaperThin_ Рік тому +15

    Great video! Was avoiding this video for some time because I thought it would be like those other doom and gloom AI videos until I realized you were the same ytber who made the cars anatomy video.

  • @maxluna25
    @maxluna25 Рік тому +1

    How can you forget that the rain contained the human soul essence symbolizing that new life will grow

    • @maxluna25
      @maxluna25 Рік тому +1

      This video was a waste of time bro oh no bro it's redditor gobbledygook
      >machine comes back to life after hundred if not thousands of year being dormant
      >machine has a chance of becoming immortal if it absorbs all the soul
      "A machine without a heart will always hate" i.e it was taught to Hate and destroy"
      >machine literally wiped all life off earth including vegetation
      >souls go into the sky > sky begins to rain > rain infused with bits of the soul
      Redditor: it's about art 🤓

  • @UnkownWonders
    @UnkownWonders Рік тому +5

    That movie single-handedly made me scared as a small kid watching this AND question my sanity since for many years there were no records of this movie or people talking about this. Until 3-4 years ago when i remembered the right number the movie was called

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому

      I was in tje same boat, but if you Google "movie with the post apocalyptic dolls" it will come up

    • @UnkownWonders
      @UnkownWonders Рік тому +1

      @@teazen_tea that's the thing I recalled them and still remember them by being voodoo dolls, also that it was apocalyptic never stuck to my kid brain since I never knew that word existed until very later on when it was clearly said in most movies itself its an apocalyptic world they are in

  • @meganholt432
    @meganholt432 Рік тому +18

    The point you made about the connection/lack of connection between the Scientist and the Brain made me feel things. What a great video! I haven't seen Nine but now I definitely want to

  • @RimmoKenro
    @RimmoKenro Рік тому +14

    I see you posting this on the 9 day :') 🎉 wasn't expecting to see anything on my timeline about this movie, this is so wonderful! Thank you for this video. This movie was a big obsession of mine and brought me into the art world. It's a very special thing to me.
    The point about creationism is interesting, I somehow never thought about it, even though I've watched the movie many, many times.
    Also did you know that the russian version of this movie is a bit different in terms of exposition? If I remember correctly it provides more context right in the begging (which I'm not sure is needed tbh), also they explain the nature of the artifact a bit differently. One of the producers is russian and the fact that the movie differs from country to country is peculiar, yet I'm not sure why they made it this way.
    Happy 9 anniversary! 💚
    P.S: the voices of Nine and Five are switched in the rus version in terms of depth - Nine has a more deep and stern one while Five sounds very soft and quiet, which is very interesting and funny

  • @PixlTrash
    @PixlTrash 7 місяців тому +1

    Coming back to watch this video again now it's served it's copyright jail sentence.

  • @kinetic_cal
    @kinetic_cal Рік тому +3

    Literally anyone I ask about this movie they don’t know what it is. Completely underrated.

  • @mk-aka-morgan8386
    @mk-aka-morgan8386 2 місяці тому +1

    My nephew was having a bad day, so I offered to let him watch this with me. Thank you for making his day a little bit better 🙏

  • @takendruid
    @takendruid Рік тому +15

    In a post barbieheimer world, mentioning Oppenheimer so casually feels so weird

  • @hawkeyenextgen7117
    @hawkeyenextgen7117 Рік тому +1

    The Machine bears an uncanny resemblance to A.M. from the novel I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. A.M. was built by humans of the nuclear era for the sole purpose of destruction., just as the sole purpose of the machine was to create lesser machines of destruction. A.M. hated everything, including itself, because it hated the fact it was created and forever bound to what it was made to do; in a sense it became the very thing it hated; destruction, hence Oppenheimer’s quote, “I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.” The moment B.R.A.I.N. became one with the machine was the day it became an unwilling monster.

  • @k1tcaliber
    @k1tcaliber Рік тому +5

    i vaguely remember seeing a part of this movie when i was like 7?? and i thought i just made it up but DAMN it’s real

    • @dumbnoodleman
      @dumbnoodleman Рік тому

      it was always a commercial for coraline for me and I took forever ut I finally got to watch it then I watched it on repeat

    • @UnkownWonders
      @UnkownWonders Рік тому

      Sameee, I only remembered it as 7 too before 3-4 years ago when I remembered the right number the movie was actually called

  • @PutineluAlin
    @PutineluAlin Рік тому +3

    I recommend the TV show Person of Interest that deals with the same idea but more in detail, I really enjoyed the episode "If Then Else" how for an AI a second can be nearly infinity and it's well crafted story.

  • @alexeames1559
    @alexeames1559 Рік тому +4

    this movie horrified and intrigued me to my core when i was a kid, and not a single person i knew for years had ever seen it. such a great film that deserves more attention

  • @kareem5916
    @kareem5916 Рік тому +4

    I had this on dvd as a child and would rewatch it religiously, truly one of the best kids movies of all time

  • @internetcutie
    @internetcutie Рік тому +4

    i loved hearing about this movie again with a bit of perspective

  • @jonwallace6204
    @jonwallace6204 11 місяців тому +1

    I forgot about this movie and it was one of my favorites. It’s so unique and its art direction is insanely brilliant.

  • @AlexGFrank
    @AlexGFrank Рік тому +36

    I may be biased because of where i live, but to me the movie seems to be more about huge and intimidating totalitarian systems corrupting their people and their tools to the point, where self-destruction of the system is the best possible outcome, leaving those, who poured their heats and souls into creation.. Well, basically for the sake of creation, behind, and often even punishing the creators right after stealing their life's work away.
    And in this interpretation the stitchpunks seem to represent the values their creator held, even after being chewed on by the very same system he helped to creat. We don't know, what could have he done in reality, and what has he created after the B.R.A.I.N. being taken away from him, but most likely it was the bare minimum to keep his mental stae at bay, just something to focus on to avoid grieving. So, he put everything good and pure he had in him into the stitchpunks just to preserve the feelings and not let them go to waste.
    Yeah-yeah, TLDR big centralized systems bad, small human-driven systems good, how original. But that's my take, as with every passing day i see my humanity being attempted to be ripped from me.
    Thanks for awesome content and for reminding me about that movie. I think i need a rewatch. Or a re-read of 1984.

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому +4

      Yes! That makes so much sense, after the totalitarian government made the scientist make the macheen it was something that lacked a soul. It was that wich lead to the distruction of everything. That's a really cool argument!

  • @greenghoul157
    @greenghoul157 Рік тому +1

    I haven't seen this movie in over a decade, there is actually a lot of secret lore

  • @Drakaiyus
    @Drakaiyus Рік тому +3

    9 was one of my favorites, its a shame it wasnt as well known as most popular movies today. Im happy its gettin some love!

  • @MsSushigirl456
    @MsSushigirl456 Рік тому +2

    I will always love this movie due to that fact that my dad normally does not like “kid movies” but this is one he absolutely loves, so it holds a special place in my heart for that reason alone, outside of being generally an amazing movie

  • @willardh.yeahright8801
    @willardh.yeahright8801 Рік тому +3

    This movie traumatized me when I was 8

  • @kasmith54
    @kasmith54 Рік тому +1

    This movie terrified me as a child.

  • @Fr4nk4000
    @Fr4nk4000 Рік тому +3

    I absolutely love this movie. It deserved way more attention

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому

      It's so good! It's one of my favorite movies of all time!!

  • @QueenCloveroftheice
    @QueenCloveroftheice Рік тому +1

    Wall-E was too optimistic. 9 is exactly how I see our future

  • @SparklyGutz
    @SparklyGutz Рік тому +13

    I remember my mom buying this for me because I was obsessed with spooky kids cartoons! She thought it was going to be lighthearted and fun 💀

  • @ydrib6086
    @ydrib6086 11 місяців тому +1

    ai in the 90s movies: murderous robots who are trying to destroy humanity
    ai in 2023: website which is trying to draw a image

  • @McStack1337
    @McStack1337 Рік тому +5

    This channel is way too good. Love this and your cars video xD
    Hope the algorithm brings more people your way ~

  • @Writer-Two
    @Writer-Two 11 місяців тому +1

    I remember watching this movie so long ago, it's honestly nice, to see someone talking about it!

  • @AidenRisk
    @AidenRisk Рік тому +18

    Mark my words, you will grow to have millions of subscribers if you continue doing your thing, your style is pretty cool and editing is good, also really funny, I really enjoy your stuff and look forward for more, I just hope you enjoy making this videos as much as I enjoy watching them and wish you a lot of success (12.3k subs + myself as for today, that is very impressive)

  • @Discontinued-t6w
    @Discontinued-t6w 6 місяців тому +1

    7:30 this machine is just like me, waking up from an ancient nap and having the extreme urge to kit-bash models

  • @nooppressor1562
    @nooppressor1562 Рік тому +3

    This channel is such an underrated gem.

  • @mademoisellekarina3426
    @mademoisellekarina3426 8 місяців тому +1

    The souls in the stitchpunks are all of different people who were significant in the scientist's life. 1 = chancellor, 2 = scientist's best friend, 3 and 4 = scientist's twin daughters, 5 = scientist's doctor and the one who was treating human soldiers in the war against machines, 6 = scientist's assistant who was killed by the chancellor after activating the machine, 7 = scientist's wife and 3 and 4's mother, 8 = chancellor's bodyguard, 9 = the scientist.

  • @hexobyte2261
    @hexobyte2261 Рік тому +29

    A movie that gave me nightmares as a 13 year old, but nonetheless a really good one

  • @khiclark31
    @khiclark31 Рік тому +1

    This movie needs a sequel

  • @Algorithmicgeneratedwordsalad
    @Algorithmicgeneratedwordsalad Рік тому +4

    I think AI as it is is just a game of Mad Libs and I don't think that we're going to have true AI because we're going to settle for what we have now

  • @Cthulu_699
    @Cthulu_699 Рік тому +1

    Saw the trailer once somewhere, and I gotta thank it for showing me a bit Welcome Home by Coheed and Cambria

  • @kolonarulez5222
    @kolonarulez5222 Рік тому +13

    This movie has been a masterpiece since the day it was released but hopefully it can get an audience now. I remember it was fortunately timed to release on 9/9/2009

  • @SpagettiSpeltWrong
    @SpagettiSpeltWrong Рік тому +1

    When I tell you I have never laughed harder at a UA-cam title in my life

  • @DirranProductions
    @DirranProductions Рік тому +5

    Classmate got to watch it for her 9th birthday, with 9 friends, at 9 P.M showing, on its 9/09/09 release date. Thanks for making me remember the nightmare fuel. 8 and the snake is a scene stuck deep in memory and said hi the second I saw the thumbnail.

  • @chillybanana7824
    @chillybanana7824 Рік тому

    I love seeing analysis videos for one of my favorite movies of all time 😭

  • @MrS-pe6sd
    @MrS-pe6sd Рік тому +3

    Destroy AI now, while we still can.

  • @jonarbucklefan1
    @jonarbucklefan1 Рік тому +1

    dude i was terrified of this movie when i was younger

  • @overjee
    @overjee Рік тому +5

    Great and entertaining video. Hope for more like this and the video about, and I never thought I'd write these words, cars biology. Really enjoyed this analysis as well.

  • @ericalbers4867
    @ericalbers4867 Рік тому +1

    I think its more akin to Alfred Nobel. A man who created something will the full intention and hopes that it would benefit humanity greatly. Which it did, but he then had to see his invention become a tool for death, war, and destruction. He, a great and relatively peaceful man, became a murderer of millions if not billions. The most prolific killed in all of human history. The entire world viewed him that way. Newpapers referred to him as such and its all he could do to simply stand there and watch. He had no control over jis creation, no way to take it back.
    So he did what he could to counteract it and intervene. He created the Nobel Peace Prize. He gave people an incentive for peace instead of death and destruction. An incentive to help humanity's future. A hopeful lasting legacy other than just the one where he gave humanity the most destructive device (at the time) we had ever seen. Something that launched dozens of others like it with even more destructive power to kill.
    A man that tried to help humanity only to be forced to sit there and watch as humanity willfully uses his creation to destroy themselves in all their hubris. So he creates something anew, outside humanities purview, something beautiful and with a soul (dynamite has no soul, it just is. Its a tool. NPP has a soul, a direction, a purpose and intent) to hopefully defeat his previous creation.

  • @Murhuedur
    @Murhuedur Рік тому +5

    I haven't seen this movie. It reminds me of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. I want to watch it

    • @teazen_tea
      @teazen_tea Рік тому

      It very much has those vibes

  • @izzy4833
    @izzy4833 Рік тому +1

    I LOVED this movie growing up it was always my favorite movie

  • @Splonton
    @Splonton Рік тому +5

    Watched this as a kid! Traumatized me, but damn I love this movie

  • @Sipswok
    @Sipswok Рік тому +1

    9 is my comfort movie

  • @ev4iki
    @ev4iki Рік тому +12

    I showed this video to my sister, and she told me that back in 2009 she thought this movie would be about barbies because our uncle described it to us as quote-on-quote “movie about dolls” when we came to see it in theater…
    I don’t know about her, but the soul-eating monster hounded my dreams a little, so hopefully the actual barbie movie healed some old wounds

  • @ShadowTheLight
    @ShadowTheLight Рік тому +1

    stitchpunks goes so hard, it also feels like it was made for 2000's deviantart oc's lol

  • @Nade_Kiyari
    @Nade_Kiyari Рік тому +5

    This movie is insane 😭