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Why Are There So Many Bad Hollywood Sequels? - Chris Gore
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2021
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Chris Gore is a writer, comedian, author and television personality who has built a solid reputation as a hilariously outspoken voice in the entertainment world. As a teenager, Chris founded the brutally honest magazine Film Threat, which began as a fanzine while he was a college student in Detroit. As Film Threat evolved into a respected national magazine, he relocated to Los Angeles. The print magazine was retired in 1997 when it was re-launched as a web site. FilmThreat.com found a huge audience online and was named one of the top five movie web sites by the Wall Street Journal. Chris has appeared as a film expert on MSNBC, E!, CNN, Travel Channel, and Reelz Channel. Chis has also hosted shows on FX, Starz, IFC and G4TV’s Attack of the Show as the show’s film expert. His weekly movie review segment DVDuesday was among the most popular on G4. Chris is also an author, having written The 50 Greatest Movies Never Made and The Complete DVD Book. His book The Ultimate Film Festival Survival Guide is considered the bible of the industry and is required reading at film school.
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"You have to trust your audience"
At this point in time you have to tell them to not actively despise the audience.
@Drew Taylor Woke SJW weirdos bully to get their way and never pay.
@@thatHARVguy Right. And then accuse the audience of that very thing, bullying, when the audience complains about substantive issues like horrible stories or subpar acting or awful directing. Remember the Kelly Marie Tran ( Rose Tico in The Last Jedi) thing where fans were accused of bullying her off social media because they despised and made fun of her character. Patently untrue; no one bothered her or criticized her as a real life human being, they made fun of the character. Hollywood is full of liars and phonies
@@miketocci that's a lie dude. The fandom destroyed her, as they've done with others. Fans are way too entitled. Btw, I hated that character and that whole movie.
@@whosaidthat84 I kind of hate the Star Wars fandom. They don't hate movies normally. They go on how Star Wars is ruined because of one bad movie(because apparently they never been a bad star wars ) and they go on and on how Star Wars is ruined forever and ever. They are the right-leaning version of sjws, and people don't want that either.
@@pokemonmanyou4239 some total truth right there!
The Back To The Future creators have a clause that prevents Back To The Future from being rebooted.
Thank fucking Christ for that.
This is good!!
It goes one step further and says that, years down the road when both Bob Gale and Bob Zemeckis are dead, their estate would have to sign off on any Back To The Future project.
@@brettcooper3893 Gotta love the Bobs for that.
Smart directors, Barry Levinson has clauses in all his contracts that they can't squish the end credits when they show his work on tv.
Only until Zemekis dies unfortunately :(
I’ve been saying we need FastFormers for years. I need to hear Vin Diesel say “Optimus, we’re family” and Optimus to reply “Family is the right of all sentient beings”
Optimus: "Autofam, rollout!"
Would have been leagues better than the way Shia Lebouf's character was written (and arguably acted, not a huge fan of the actor). An angsty, physically abusive character (kicks smaller autobots around) who even tries to hawk family heirlooms of his adventurer ancestor online without parents' consent. There's several other unlikeable characteristics; however, don't care enough to bother.
Can't wait for Transformers: Rise of the Fast & Furious movie.
I think I would un-ironically enjoy watching something like that
its gonna happen anyways
@Oddballl Transformers: Rise of the Furious ?
Aw come on why you gotta pick on The Fly 2? Lol any Fly 2 fans?
Maybe we'll get lucky and Vin Diesel will turn into an actor
Terminator 2 is the gold standard for sequels imo. Absolutely fantastic movie.
I would argue Aliens is that movie 🤘
Even T2 has things that are bad in it.
For example, the addition of an annoying kid was bad, people tolerate him but he's Anakin levels of bad.
@@MegaRockstar48 Alien went from alien space horror slasher to Action survival flick.
Terminator litterly took the bad guy and made him in to the protaganist father figure.
Both pretty interesting ideas.
@@ReaperOFblackghosts love both but as far as sequels being better than the original Aliens just pips it on the line for me
@@MegaRockstar48 I mean I loved How Mad max 2 really enhanced the world and quality since the first is pretty slow. Yet its not until thunderdome that any real world building happens and they stop with the chase formula.
In anycase. plenty of good sequals.
Sequels are bad because the studio and financial people take control. The suits. Original movies are made by artists. They have different priorities, different ways of seeing the world.
Sequels are fine if done right. But without originality and exploring something new, then we are stuck in the same story telling. This is why Hollywood don't make original movies since it is a risk and they don't like that. Also, Hollywood is bought off by CCP, so they're running the show.
Sequels are a money grab and that’s all☹️
The artist who are making these movies are also creatively and morally bankrupt. Unfortunately both are on the same accord.
Most sequels are bad because they green light a theatrical release date before they’ve even written a single sentence of the screen play … It is really hard to make a good movie with a bad script … this is Hollywood’s perfect Recipe For Failure … and they do it all the time… obvious mistakes on big budget films… kind of sad actually, I want there to be great movies, instead we get old crusty microwaved up, derivative drive through window made ready metaphorical cliche bull 💩
#TheWorldDeservesBETTER!!!
@@jeremyharris3616 I think the Iron Man movies are a little different. I see the entire MCU project as basically one big movie. Also, the project was derivative of source material (serialized comics), so it was conceived from the beginning as a series of endless sequels. They were baked into the cake. None of the hired writers had the authority to kill Iron Man at any point. That's why they're not terribly creative. They are, however, on the whole, the most successful set of sequels ever made.
I’d watch vin diesel riding on the back of Optimus prime. “We got this. Autobots care about family”
"I am Optimus Groot. "
Lol awesome.
I'd watch this shit-post of a movie. Wouldn't mind if it had bad CGI too. Definitly would have to be a "check your brain out at the door" kind of movie.
Tyreese would be all “can someone explain this to me? Your sayin, we’re gonna drive cars, that can turn into robots!?”
No...it would be Optimus prime riding on Dom... 😀😀😀
One of the interesting things about the first Wonder Woman movie is that it embraces a certain kind of old-school feminism, and winds up being a critique of modern feminism. At no point does Wonder Woman give some rousing speech about women's rights, or chastise the men for not taking her seriously enough. In fact, she mostly seems too busy to care. Instead, she's just acts as someone who is capable and has a heroic character, and she earns the respect and loyalty of the men around her by virtue of who she is as a person. This is the core tenet of an earlier feminism: Women are capable. And it's anathema to modern feminism, which says women are victims and everyone needs a lecture about their privilege.
"This is the core tenet of an earlier feminism: Women are capable. And it's anathema to modern feminism, which says women are victims and everyone needs a lecture about their privilege."
Recognizing the existence of privilege or how systems work to keep people down is not anathema to the idea that the people who are negatively affected are capable.
@@TheMisterGuy It's a massively overrated concept IMO when it comes to men and women. Men have built entire societies around trying to control the power women have over them. To view those societies as oppressing women is to see an incomplete picture. Men have gone to war over women. Who really had the power in Homer's epic: Was it the kings and princes who commanded armies and want to war over Helen or Troy, or was it Helen of Troy herself? Men, including modern western men, sometimes shape their entire lives around trying to be someone who can ultimately attract women. They try to be the person, attain the money/fame/status, develop and demonstrate the qualities, all so attractive women will pick them. Who has the true power in the dynamic?
Male privilege is mostly a myth, even if you ignore all that - men and women throughout history took on roles best suited to them so that they could both survive. Being a man meant you had to die in war, go down with the ship, do brutal menial labor, accept that you were disposable, etc. Modern feminism wants to make a buffet out of the aspects of male gender roles, taking what they want for themselves, while leaving the less palatable stuff for men to continue suffering on their own. That's some bullshit right there.
@@Virtuoso80 Did you watch a movie or read the book? The war was started because Menelaus’s bother won Helen in a battle/competition and because Helen was seen as Menelaus’s property. I am not sure how you see being won in a competition and being forced to be with someone you find repulsive is having power. If anything, this only perpetuates the male perspective that a woman’s only power is in something she cannot control, her beauty, and in the end even that didn’t save her. You read the Cliff’s Notes, it seems.
Women were traded like cattle until not that long ago, for the success and prosperity of the men around them, and in some places they still are. I don’t know what you’re talking about, but even if you disagree with the whining victim-mentality of some feminists today, to disagree with the fact that they’ve been held down for most of history until recently (and still have unfair expectations put on them, and get less pay), then you need to read more and to learn how to put yourself in other people’s shoes. You know, one of the core tenants of being a writer. You must SUCK as writing from the female perspective.
@@christinapaterno5585 Almost all of humanity was held down for almost all of history. Again, it's not woman specific. Also, women get less pay because they choose lower-paying professions of their own volition, work less hours, take less risks, and are less aggressive about seeking raises and advancement, etc. No employer is putting a 30% premium on a penis, that would be insane and mostly illegal. A lot of the narrative about this stuff is just wrong.
People have different ways of expressing their dismay. Some people may WANT to lecture about the problem. Just because you don't like it doesn't invalidate a lecturing message. Some people think that focusing on victimization is important. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it unimportant.
Fast & furious with transformers is almost so horrifying I would actually go see it in theatres.
Optimus Prime telling Dom he can't win a drag race against star scream and Dom saying, "Nothing is faster than Family." While beating a literal fighter jet in a drag race.
The last line is imagery that's good for a laugh.
to be fair, knowing starscream, he gets cocky and messes up his start because he wants to betray megatron during the race.
I mean......... it's stupid but that sounds a hell of a lot more entertaining than falcon and winter soldier lol
@@bluelanternguardianangel8038 winter soldier and falcon wasn't bad, a little preachy that would've been less meh if it had better context, action scenes were mostly good, fake cap needed an episode for himself in my opinion, and the writers kind of made Zemo come off as more funny guy batman than underworld super spy. But I don't know how zemo is in the comics.
@@slygoose7740 the thing is, it's not entertaining. You can like it or dislike it but to me they failed to entertain not only me, but a lot of people. Instead of focusing on a coherent story, they decided to randomly make it political without making it good. A show can be political, there's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is to preach a one sided argument that's not even a good argument. Winter soldier is a good example, they focused on the politics of shield and NOT try to make it an allegory for something in real life. Also they disrespected not just falcon but captain America and the avengers in general. We don't need a black captain America, we want the falcon to step up. Instead they downgrade him and demote him from being his own original character to being a token of a failed comic book line. It.......did .........NOT........entertain. I work really hard all week and when I come home I just want to turn the TV on, turn my brain off and relax. Being told that all cops are racist and the golden line "stop calling them terrorists" in defence of a bunch of terrorists made me turn it off and not watch anymore marvel shows. I am sick and tired of being preached at by millionaires who never once experienced actual struggles. That's why I welcomed the very idea of a transformers/ fast and furious crossover. It's stupid but I know its gonna be fun and nonsensical. Hollywood STOP preaching and start to entertain again
Sequel idea: The cast of Fast and Furious piloting Transformers fighting King Kong, Godzilla and MechaGodzilla like in Pacific Rim
That's actually an interesting idea.
It wouldn't work today, but it would have worked as the 2nd one. All the character's are too flushed out, to the point where this idea would fail, and being too over the top.
Might as well!
At least it wouldn't be the same Superhero movie sequel.
So you wanna make a sequel to _Ready Player One,_ huh?
@@runi5413 funny thing is, it already has a sequel: _Ready Player Two_
James Cameron was one of the few who knew how to make sequels. Aliens & T2 are masterpieces.
Still hold up perfectly today. My Mrs just watch Aliens for the first time this year, unfortunately she started watching from the Ripley & Newt trapped in room with face hugger scene, but boy was she absolutely on the edge of her seat from here on then, a reaction I haven't seen from an unexpected viewer in a looooong time.
I feel he's lost his touch though I don't think he's made a decent film since titanic
You think he will do it again with Avatar: The Way of Water?
@@bentertainmentproductions8451 An Avatar sequel should have come out years ago. Its too late now.
In my opinion aliens doesn't count because he was fresh to aliens that was his first movie in the franchise
"It's like the internet. Just on really thin slices of wood.."
Probably the best description I've heard of books in years.
"Risk is not something Hollywood likes." That pretty sums up this entire video.
That also applies to the video game and music industries.
No one want to risk thousands or millions dollar on an prove idea.
@@khanhnguyen-tt3ff True. Yet Hollywood keeps losing insane money because pushing identity politics is more important than telling a good story...
Which makes the latest star wars films all the more confusing.
They are kinda still risking with all these trash movies..
_"Oh, the first one was a huge success. That means we can do a cheap mediocre sequel because fans will watch it anyway."_
Same mentality in videogames.
@AstroCat OH GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!!
At least movies are not a yearly medicore copy paste with the same bigs and glitches... Like sport games.
Games actually have a much better track record with sequels, at least for the first couple of sequels. In fact, in most series, it's a sequel that's considered the best one, as it fixes the rougher parts of the original (trying to think off the top of my head, Mega Man 2 and 3, Sonic 2 and 3, the three big Sony-published PS2 platformers (Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Sly Cooper), Halo 2 and 3, Super Metroid, and lots of others).
And THEN the series peaks and it's downhill from there.
RIP Pacific Rim
Dead space 2, mass effect 2, god of war 4, anyone? No? Such a shame.
@@avanishdutta2658 Nier Automata that sold 60 times the prequel (2010). Made so much money to yoko taro beer hobby that he had to stop it because his liver cant take it.
I say this... When you want to start a new franchise, try and plan it over the span of two or three movies.
Because my biggest problem with sequels is the constant retconning
The Hangover is prime example of what Chris is saying. The Hangover would’ve went down as one of the best comedies but instead it’s now lost because the second one is the exact same thing the first one was, down to Stew figuring out where they left his fiancé’s brother TERRIBLE
how dare you! the monkey gave an oscar winning performance in 2.
Q: Why Are There So Many Bad Hollywood Sequels?
A: Because Hollywood is still there, long, long after it died.
Welcome
It went PC.
Because there are more hacks than talented writers.
It's pedowood now
@@raymondlang hollywood has been pc from the start, it's one of the reasons we have so many retards.
He's making Martin Scorsese's argument from a writer's perspective.
Exactly
No he is making a point... Martin Scorsese just complains
@@Roper122 lol, have you seen the full interviews? I think he knows what he's talking about.
@@Dayvit78 Chris Gore, or Martin Scorsese?
@@Dayvit78 I've heard all of what he has to say, and it boils down to " old man yelling at clouds ". He whinges about not being able to get money, and he has to backtrack after trying to drag down Marvel movies. Should've kept his mouth shut.
"George Lucas, I want to make experimental films but no one wants so see experimental films" can sure apply here lol.
It's interesting that Terminator 2 isn't mentioned at all considering they took the antagonist of the first film who was feared and an unstoppable force of destruction and flipped it to be the main character you empathized with and were cheering for that destruction now used for good to the very last thumbs up.
It feels like every aspect of film has advanced, except for writing.
Cinematography = better
CGI = better
Acting = better
Writing = copy/paste
CGI killed action and Sci fi/fantasy, imo. It was the deathblow after shaky cam.
I also have been noticing that writing has gotten worse or dumbed down. Either writing is dumbed down for mass market appeal (which implies writers have skills but are purposefully dumbing it down) or writers today just don't have any life experiences to incorporate in their writing so don't know what real life is like because they all come from wealthy and comfortable backgrounds and can't write credible scenarios.
Auch and worst you have a point
Writing = hijacked by suits
I hope this means you're writing for MK12.
"let's say we're gonna reboot the franchise Back To the Future". Yeah let's not.
edit: Wow thanks for the likes, guys. Glad to see many of you feel the way.
Bernie Sanders as Doc. Brown!
When
He said that i was like oh god don't give hollywerid any ideas 🤮
I'm sure they will do it sooner or later!
And btw, why make Mandy straight? Make her an LGBTQ, there will be sexual tension between her mom and Mandy, it will all play out well ))
You know, now I almost want to do it as a thought exercise. They would take "Mandy" (some teen bimbo) and brilliant, sassy Doc "Elizabeth" Brown (Leslie Jones), and have them invent the time machine together, to prove wrong the evil professor Carruthers (Ben Kingsley) of Harvard's department of Yale time travel division. Carruthers wants to send his own Time-o-naut, Jack Whiterson (Chris Hemsworth), back in time to cheat at the stock market and assassinate civil rights leaders. But Mandy and Elizabeth travel back in time together, beat up Whiterson and his thirty Norwegian henchmen, and fix it so that Carruthers is now scrubbing toilets in the future. They then sit and drink tea and talk about their feelings, and it ends with Elizabeth looking at the camera and cackling, "Now dat's what I call having the TIME of my life!" Roll credits.
If Hollywood would listen to this man, they might start to make really good movies again.
You could honestly apply a lot of this to the gaming industry these days.
For sure! I think we could even go back to 8-bit era, there were tons of good and bad sequels. I remember Ninja Gaiden, Mario, Mega Man, Zelda etc... I was always excited when a next gen console came out and we'd get to see what would happen to our favorite games... sometimes it was great, sometimes just disapointment lol
I first became a fan of Chris Gore’s on “Attack of the Show” and he’s absolutely right about the what’s wrong with a lot of the modern film industry!
I loved g4 and Attack of the Show, and Chris was a highlight
I didn’t have access to the Internet but had access to cable. Chris Gore was responsible for giving me important information on DVDs and movies. Good for Chris who still provides his movie expertise on UA-cam.
I havent thought of DVDuesday in 16 years
That's why he looked and sounded so familiar!
He left out some reasons. Like Hollywood having a lot of incompetence on every level for the past 15 years.
I find this man's rage therapeutic
ironic, he can therapize others but not himself.
Unfortunately the clips ive watched i feel this guy kinda comes off conceited and obnoxious.
@@te9591 Doesn't stop him from being right, though.
@@OgamiItto70 i disagree, i found one of his interviews for him to come off very confused.
This dude is so right on. Modern movies are an insult to the audience. He's totally spot on.
"When did the good guys lose in a fairy tale?"
*ROTS PTSD intensifies*
Yeah, but the ending of the prequels was already written before they even began so it's not like there was a chance for them to win.
He so succinctly described why reboots don't work. Excellent interview with a guy who absolutely lives in story. Love this channel.
Well, yes and no. It's not that reboots don't work, it's that they don't work anymore. In the 2000s and early new '10s (2010-2012), reboots had a creative element to them. The writers would be putting their own creative mark on the story, like changing certain elements in the narrative or changing elements in the world building, not just swapping or a changing a character's race or gender.
For example (well, a few examples),
In the Dark Knight Trilogy, Christopher Nolan set the narrative in a grounded reality, doing away with the mystical and sci-fi elements and giving us the most realistic version Batman, showing us how Batman's story would work in reality.
In Casino Royale, we got to see the origins of James Bond, something no previous Bond film ever discussed, and thus witness him grow into the secret agent that we know and love.
In Battlestar Galactica (2003), Ronald D. Moore did away with most of the fantastical elements from the original series, including the presence of alien species, made the science mostly realistic, focused on the effects the crews of the surviving fleet would be experiencing after barely escaping genocide and explored several real world themes such as race, religion, politics and PTSD among others.
The Star Trek reboot set the narrative in an alternate reality and allowed us to see how Kirk and Spock would become the Captain and First Officer of the Enterprise, even if a few elements in their lives had been different, such as Kirk's father being killed the day he was born.
And even Man of Steel altered some of the world building for Krypton, such as the Genesis chamber, sorting citizens into classes or guilds based on their genetics and the lack of natural births, which did in some way help to enrich Superman's origin story, even if the narrative was somewhat problematic (I still liked it though).
The difference between reboots today and the reboots of yesteryear showcase how a good portion of creativity has been stripped from the industry. Creativity means taking risks, and I believe many studios don't want to take risks, because playing it safe, more often than not, means more money.
One word: money. Sadly, “Fast and Furious” movies make money no matter how ridiculous the plot or bad the acting is.
I Watched F9 at home, and I still turned off the TV LOL !
Corporations have decided which movie gets backing. They will remake until bled dry.
While I agree with your sentiment let’s look at the big picture: it’s the Fast & The Furious, meaning what the audience wants is car theatrics and the plot exists as a nicety. If you happen to write a great and smart F&TF script, call it something original and don't throw it away contributing to a brain dead franchise. Which isn’t putting down movies like TF&TF, if describe it more like pick one type of movie or the other, but don’t try to cross Tranformers with Godfather, it doesn’t work.
They will only stop if people stop watching it. But that ain't happening anytime soon.
Sure, but what I think is actually dumb is dumb movies pretending that they’re smart. To me, Zack Snyder is a great example of a filmmaker that is pretending there’s something profound going on underneath when there absolutely is not. You can shine it up all you want, but at the end of the day a film like the Tranformers is only about watching cars turn into robots and smashing into things and trying to apply much more to it is wasting everyone’s time. Let’s face it, it’s basically porn and the mechanics of good screenwriting fundamentally don’t apply to such material. And to be clear there’s a
time and place for everything. ;)
I like Chris’ interviews. He basically just tells it like it is. You see that he really has a love for the crafts/arts of movie making the screen writing.
Agreed these are the kind of people Hollywood avoids
Terminator 2 - one of the best sequels of all time (in my opinion).
For me a tie between T2 & Aliens.
And best film of all time 👌
The Terminator and Alien franchises are similar in that you really only need the first two in the series,and the others can be forgotten.
The same could possibly be said of Predator,but I am waiting until I see Prey,before I make my decision.
In public opinion
Anyone else hope he was going to say "There can be only one!" After talking about Highlander sequels?
i was just thinking "but the sequels have Duncan McCloud..."
i watched the tv show and liked Duncan over Connor because of familiarity.
The original Highlander was great because of the two main actors and the musical score, the second was comically bad. The show was just about as bad as The Crow TV show and the rest of the movies were trash
Wow, Chris Gore needs to win an Oscar for keeping his cool as the interviewer tells him she thought Staying Alive was a better film than Saturday Night Fever. Now THAT is great acting.
She explained it well though, why she thought so
😂😂😂😂😂😂
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY 🤣🕺🏽
and she should win an oscar for not smacking him when he mentions star wars for the umpteenth time.
Didn't Stallone do Staying Alive? It was Disco Rocky.
If only Disney hired Chris when they started development of the Star Wars sequel trilogy...
Kathleen Kennedy would have fired him for his script not being feminist propaganda.
same thought, not these money hunger, untalented ...h...s, khm.... sorry i'm still very upset about the ST, though Mando has made it a little bit better...
*If only they kept George Lucas as consultant and used his Sequel Trilogy Outlines: the REAL story.*
@@FoolishPrince Yeah I feel like a creator needs to have thorough Star Wars knowledge and smart creative decisions to have credibility with fans. Like Dave Filoni and John Favreau, they're not George Lucas but we accept their decisions as 'real' Star Wars
Any actual fan of Star Wars would have had better ideas than what Disney and Kathleen Kennedy puked onto the screen. People waited 32 years to see Luke and company back on screen and we got such a pile of garbage that it still boggles the mind.
Because great films concepts usually have an expiry date of one film. Sequels then become diluted imitations. Sequels like Terminator 2 and Aliens both worked by changing genre from horror to action.
Blade Runner 2049 is a rare example of a good modern day sequel. I've yet to see the previous 2048 films in the franchise though, so there may be a few duds in there.
Both Blade Runner movies are boring garbage.
I love Denis Villeneuve's work except... on Blade Runner (and also Dune). It was exactly the sequel I imagined : good direction, awesome photography but every "sequel trope" you could expect.
No, try again.
It's a great movie that was boring to the the drooling Marvel zombies
It would help if the rebooters didn't actively hate the original content.
That's a big reason I don't like 99% of reboots. If you're going to reboot something at least respect the source material, if you don't that just tells me you're interested in making a quick buck.
Oh like with the new HE-MAN.
Yes no respect for the OG
i know its a game but ff7 remake is this exactly.
The people producing these movies have absolutely no opinions, on the movies they make or anything else for that matter. It’s all a money game, and if you have the rights to a big property/movie that’s seen as a sure bet. they have a singular goal that guides the decision making behind these movies and it’s to make money, you need to understand that to understand the state of the industry. They aren’t intentionally trying to piss off established fans, they are genuinely surprised by this kind of reaction
If someone did a re-boot of Reservoir Dogs, they'd probably make it with an all female cast, and call it Reservoir Cats.
"Why can't we choose our own colours?"
"Tried it before, doesn't work. Everyone wants to be Ms. Pink, preffered pronouns xe/xem."
Then it descends into a bloodbath as they've all turned up wearing the same dress.
@@taffwob Nice!
Oddly enough, Quentin Tarantino said in a recent interview that he was considering doing a Reservoir Dogs reboot as the tenth final movie
The movie would end at the opening diner scene because they’d all realize they can’t stand each other and won’t work together.
@@Merdicano that would crush my soul
I can not express how happy and warm inside I felt when he explained why back to the future would never be remade. That has been an actual fear of mine.
They can always remake anything
Never? Female 'Marty' making out not with her father, but again with her _mother._ Or maybe now she even has two mothers. "Problem solved" 🤑
How can one have a discussion about great sequels without naming the greatest sequel ever made? A bold reimagining of the original that kept the elements that worked while expanding on them. A movie that managed to push the boundaries of world building while remaining grounded. I'm speaking of course about the critically acclaimed masterpiece of cinema, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.
Wonder Woman’s story could have naturally continued in great ways, themed around faith in humanity and keeping the gods and monsters from Greek Myth at bay. And they decide to make a corny screwball 80’s action crapfest.
They could've at least made Diana fight the god/demon who was the creator of that wishing crystal, instead just making a silly speech and all is better afterwards cause she made people feel guilty about their wishes.
The only thing I remember about the Wonder Woman sequel is how the female characters were getting hit on by literally every man they passed by lofl. It was so heavy handed and it’s point was so obvious that it was comical
@@billsimms2511 Ugh the catcalling scenes were total cringe. Feminists act like it happens 24/7 lmao
Product of female directors...spoil everything ..mark my words Eternals is next....
The first one sucked as well.
Chris states “defy the audience’s expectations” and not “subvert” which today’s movie think subversion is the path to originality but it results in illogical storytelling and characters out of character.
The only time they subvert expectations is when I expect a good movie.
This was the comment I want to make.
Which films?
It also depends on the movie. Take the notorious example Rian Johnson. Subverting expectations in Star Wars was clearly a shit time to subvert expectations (Personally should be banned from stepping foot into Lucasfilm). On the flip side, his other movie "Knives Out" does a pretty good job of subverting expectations in a way that makes sense.
@@Mcluvin231 when all you are a one-trick pony, everybody is going to be expecting your trick.
R. Johnson's is the "subversion". jar jar Abrams' is the "mystery box" that doesn't have anything in it.
I read Splinter of the Mind's Eye back in the 80's! I loved when he plugged that, and used book stores, and the concept of "thinly sliced pieces of wood"!
I loved it when he brought it up too. And my God that book... It was clear some relationships (as we know today) were yet to be fleshed out 😉
@@binaldoshi495 good one, FLESHED out!
An amazing film that has no sequel and needs one, The Adventures of Tintin.
They were originally planning a trilogy, but the rest have been stalled ever since Peter Jackson finished the Hobbit movies.
@@DrFranklynAnderson
Yeah. Too bad.
Criminally underrated movie
omg it really does i really want one but i feel like once it comes out i wont care to see it
@@TBS.tudios
I would, lol. Maybe not at theaters, but I would buy it on disc. I pretty much never go to the theaters.
Chris is spot on. 99% of movies are made as complete stories where all the setups are paid off and the loose ends are resolved. So now, a brand new everything has to be made, and most studios aren't brave enough to reinvent everything. They'll build a new house, but move in the same old furniture and knick knacks.
99% of good movies maybe. There are a ton of junky ones that don't exist to stand on their own merits, but instead just try to set up a sequel, which they don't get because they sucked. A prime offender is the Warcraft movie, which had a satisfying ending right in front of it half an hour before the actual ending, which was terrible, resolved nothing, and only existed to set up a sequel.
If we're being honest Back to the Future is a little creepy already.
@@RorikH Zemeckis and his latent Oedipus Complex, yes...
@@RorikH am I the only who who thinks back to the future and its sequel are derpy and average? in other words, not as good as other movies today.
@@aim-9sidewinder550 It's kind of The classic time travel movie. The sex stuff is a bit weird. And there's a lot of it.
"Risk is not something Hollywood likes." - Chris Gore
Boy, is that a statement if I ever heard one.
Good interview!
Hollywood loves risk, so long as you have a fall guy.
@@ayanithtalreign Ha-ha. Good point.
Fast to the Future, where Dom has to get Doc Brown to help him go back in time using a modified Dodge Charger to stop a drug cartel in 1975.
I was watching The Wrath of Khan recently and there’s the scene where Khan is introduced - it’s slow-paced and character-focused, with building tension and exposition that feels completely natural and unforced. It isn’t just a great scene - it makes the rest of the movie great.
It’s a secondary character that we like (Chekhov) facing a scary person and not knowing what’s coming next. That’s all.
You can almost see the corporate boardroom watching that scene and yelling, “where are the explosions?!”
Star Trek 2 was clearly made by people who loved it. Today movies are made by people who love money.
What's really amazing is Director Nicholas Meyer and Writer Harve Bennett are on record of having never watched Star Trek before getting the roles so what each did was watch the entire series, look at the problems The Motion Picture had, and churned out the final script in only 12 days. Meyer would also direct The Undiscovered Country and was a writer on it and The Voyage Home. Had Wrath of Khan been a flop that might have been the end of the franchise.
We rewatched that in the theater for the 30 anniversary and it still is so good. It makes the remake look stupid and empty.
I agree. I don't really consider The Wrath of Khan to be a sequel to the first movie The Motion Picture. That first movie was ponderous, drab, and lacked energy. The Wrath of Khan was completely different though and was fantastic.
Chris Gore is a great interview!
Yeah, he has interesting answers here.
@Neil Watkins Wooooo!
I would say that,... Chris Gore is a great interview!
I already made a parody video about "Back to the future 4" which might actually come true one day.
The protagonist is Marty's daughter who's a biracial lesbian (because loving a man is so anti-feminist). Marty wants to create the time machine again but he can't because he's not too smart. His biracial lesbian daughter on the other hand is a theoretical physicist who finally discovers the secret of going back in time. She goes back to when Dr Brown created the time machine and actually teaches him how to make the machine because it's too complicated for his straight white male mind. He makes the time machine and guess what, totally steals the idea from her and after she goes "back to the future" he tells everyone that it was his invention. So it turns out it was the biracial lesbian woman all along.
So. . . .basically every other movie coming out right now?
Oof. I hate how believable this is.
thats going to get read AND made NOW you do know that dont you!!!!!!
I think you forgot to mention that she was biracial
It sounds like you wrote the script for the new Powerpuff Girls reboot. XD (I greatly recommend looking up a script reading if you want a good laugh and are not too nostalgic for good storytelling, other wise it might just make you angry.)
"Fast And Furious series, they go into space. How much over the top can you get?"
FnF film series sounds a lot like 007 films. Yes, James Bond went to freaking SPACE...
Yes... but he was an international superspy.
They were racing cars.
Now its all heists and robberies and insane stuff
This is why I love pirates of the Caribbean! 2 and 3 got darker and had more risks than the original film! 4/5 are filler! But 1-3 were well told. ☠️
Really? Everything about unoriginality that Chris Gore said applies to POTC 2 and 3. I was honestly disgusted with them. They had no real plot, no character development, just more, more, more. Part 1 was written as a storytelling unit, and it shows. Part 4, again, was one unit with serious character development. Probably because they didn't know if there was going to be a part 5... well, part 4 was so good that I never dared to watch part 5. It's most likely crap, considering the plot synposis...
@@trinelangohr6661 I wouldn't call Dead Men Tell No Tales crap, just mediocre and a sign the series has run out of steam and ideas. Dead Man's Chest has many fun areas but it is having to set up a lot for 3 so it's not a self-contained story like the first movie. For me At World's End suffers from bloat and it doesn't feel like some of the cast have enough to do (Keira Knightley in particular) but it's not a bad movie even if I'd rank it the weakest of the first three films. I did really like On Stranger Tides and that ultimately might be my favorite after the first movie because it did feel like it was trying to do something different from the first three that still fits in the idea of the PotC world.
"Let's say we're gonna reboot back to the future-"
Me: No. Don't do that...
It will happen once the film makers die. They have said they will not allow it while they are alive.
i started re-casting the all female reboot lol
Kristen Wiig as “Doc Brown”
[Insert "NO, JUST NO." meme]
@@nunchuckfilms kinda like whats happening with george a romeros works right now. After he passed away his " estate" is trying to make a bunch of horrible sounding sequels and they already made a terrible book that kinda ruins parts of his movies too (the good ones)
Because they aren't being made to continue the story, they're being made to change it or replace it. That never works.
Feels like it's all about copyright or merchandising or whatever. Basically, making money while disrespecting the classics.
Exactly right! A great sequel should continue the story and vision of the first. Not creat a half ass plot that is only design to show off the characters more
4:19 "Just take the drivers from Fast and the Furious, and put them in the Transformers cars. They're driving the Transformers cars"
ummmm, I would watch that lol
9:25 "Books are these things like the internet but on thin slices of wood. Try it someday." Best quote I've heard in my life 😂
It’s an absolute miracle that we got a sequel as good as Blade Runner 2049, in this day and age. It’s one I’ll never forget.
@PODCAST - SørenCast Z big time! Weakest link, too young for the character, and all-round pretentious actor. But despite that, the movie still succeeds.
@@stevenbatke4167 just bc u hate jared leto doesnt mean he was wrong for the part but ok
@@heavenlyarianator6335 true. But, nah, he was wrong for the part ;)
@@heavenlyarianator6335 I mean, they had intended to have Bowie in that role. David f-ing Bowie! C’mon, that would have been so much better!
I was pleasantly surprised for sure💯
Disney stopped paying the royalties to the author of "splinter of the minds eye" while still selling the book for their own profit!
They claimed they bought the rights to his work but not the obligation.
Idk if its been storted out, but they did it to a bunch of SW author's!
Not being from the US I might have missed that, but did anyone tell the banks that Disney won't pay back the loans of the companies they bought?
After all, loans are a form of obligation.
Freaking Disney, I hate 'em.
*nods thoughtfully in agreement while looking at dog eared old copy of “Splinter in the minds Eye” in the Alan Dean Foster section of my rather extensive science fiction collection* and yes! I actually bought it at a second hand bookshop…
@@grayscribe1342 Here in the U.S debt is actually used as a commodity lol
Disney just recently started paying Foster royalties again.
14:20 yeah but it didn't work in the original either, it was creepy when the mom was perving on her future son too. Swapping the genders just shines a light on the problem more because your looking out for those sorts of problems in a female lead movie. He brings up that example a lot and every time I disagree more, he has some really good points but his gender flipped back to the future argument always falls apart because it comes from a flawed assumsion that the crux of the movie was the main protagonists mom had a crush on him, when that wasn't even something that was needed to make the movie work, any number of things could have caused the parents to split up it never needed to be something so squicky.
Yup, I agree, it’s creepy either way. I can see what he’s trying to say but it was weird in the original too. He needs another excuse for them not to make a female version of BTTF 😂
It wouldn't be rebooted because it wouldn't be made today
No one’s counting Rouge 1. I couldn’t even finish that dumpster fire.
The way Chris nods and smiles while the interviewer rhapsodizes about the towering cinematic achievement of "Staying Alive" is worth the price of admission alone.
No shit...it's a piece of garbage...she's the first person I've heard say anything nice about that shitpile. lol
Yeah that’s a weird hill she’s choosing to die on. The fact that Chris didn’t just flat out ask “are you fucking serious?” shows what a pro he is.
I mean, I don't think it was that big of a deal. It was clearly a nostalgic memory for her, considering they were both talking about being kids at the time. I've seen several movies that I fondly remember as a kid, watch again now, and cringe at how bad it actually is. And he probably didn't challenge her on it because he also has done the same thing and isn't a hypocrite.
She must have been coming of age and liked the Travolta loincloth/headband oiled up look. That movie was so bad. Almost worse than his aerobics movie with Jamie Lee Curtis.
Cringe at its best!
Actually, why don't we NOT say: "We're going to reboot BttF?"
As long as Robert Zemekis, and Bob Gale are alive, that's never gonna happen.
The only way I could accept a remake if the series is if it was done with passion, and they treat Jennifer, and Marty as a team in the second film.
The Empire strikes back cliffhanger was so infuriating, especially for me as a 10-year-old. Even my mother was outraged. This isn’t like a serial were you just wait until next week to find out what happens. It’s three long years! I remember feeling bad for the people who were old and would die before they ever found out what happened. Probably not their biggest concern if they were dying, but that occurred to me as a 10-year-old.
I was 10 when it cam out too. The cliffhanger left me excited. Also, we got Indiana Jones the following year. ET, Tron, and The Wrath of Khan the year after that. No kids our age ever had it better.
And now no one would care if they died before the next star wars movie is rolled out.
Well, you and your mother are idiots then…
Optimus Prime + Vin Diesel = FAMILY
Mandy goes back in time and has a romantic friction with her mother, realizing that her mom is gay. Does Mandy help her mom come out, insuring that she will never be born, or encourage her to stay in the closet, guaranteeing her own existence?
Now that sounds interesting lol
I can't lie, this is actually a decent twist. Go write it up. You already know Hollywood will love it because it's pro LGBT.
@@osaji922 Is it?? Then, why does it still have "Bury Your Gays," "Gaynst" and "Gayngters??" And they still have cis/het actors playing LGBTQIA+ characters, created by cis/het screenwriters and directors!! If you want something done right, you gotta hire the right ethnic group for the job.
@@darlalathan6143 I'm not privy to most of this so you're asking the wrong person. However, as far as straight characters playing LGBTQIA, it's fair game. It's called acting for a reason. You don't have to be the character that you're trying to portray. Just because someone's gay doesn't make them a good actor.
Futurama already did that. But it was Fry's grandad that was gay, then gets killed because, well, Fry, then Fry has to become his own grandad.
"risk is something Hollywood don't like"
Yeah, pretty much!
replace it "any shred of originality,passion or intelligence"
hollywood is basically dead, run by morons. good cinema comes from europe, asia and south america
I can say the same with Game Freak & their Pokemon franchise. Now they're regurgitating too much Kanto over & over...
“Splinter of the mind’s eye”. Amazing book, read it as a kid and it was deep in the lore, a good story and quite powerful.
Would love to hear his thoughts on the new Top Gun Maverick, probably one of my fave sequels!
What I want in a good sequel is the logical next step in the main characters' journey. Star Wars: Luke goes from being an untrained, barely-aware Jedi wannabe to...finding a new mentor and getting some actual training. Alien(s): Ripley goes from the terror of the first alien encounter to confronting those fears at the source. Godfather: Michael goes from becoming the godfather who lost his soul to the emptiness of losing his entire family (a father without a family). Cheers: Frasier (not the main character of Cheers, we know) goes from a pompous know-it-all to...okay, I'm going to have to think about that some more. (Someone else can cover Tony Stark and Captain America.) The point is, these are people whose journeys I want to see continue.
Fraser is honestly an amazing example because of how he changed from Cheers to his own show, with his brother Niles taking on a role that fit Cheers Frasier. It will be interesting to see the Frasier sequel since I don’t see Kelsey Grammar doing anything but his best to entertain
Hollywood looks for young directors with big new voices.
Then, they tell them to shut up and do what they're told.
I would say that Die Hard 3 is also a gold standard for sequel. The action moved from one building to a whole city and from robbing one building to robbing the whole world!
Back to the Future starring a woman who's probably gay will not make any money. This is why I'm glad they won't let you mess it up
Nah, if she were gay, they wouldnt be able to sell it to the chinese. She's gotta be suspicious enough so the producers can pretend to be progressive while making a ton of money.
I'm really hoping Cobra Kai's success leads to better writing in sequels and reboots of other franchises. There's a lot of cheesy awkwardness in the show, but it does so well with that idea of "challenging these beloved characters in ways they weren't in the original film" as well using the amount of time that has passed since then as a relevant factor in how the story is told
The interviewer should do audiobooks, she has a very distinctive voice.
Agree and I wish they’d show her, she sounds beautiful
And dumb. Saturday night fever and the other movie blah. Yeah, that era of movies. Glad that's over, see the rabbit hole that led to? At least The Music Man made sense to most people. Who cares about some greaseball dancing in a disco. Fongu.
@@deandodson3546 Assuming someone's personal tastes make them dumb? You sound dumb.
One of the best sequels I ever seen was Bladerunner 2049, now THAT is the way to make a sequel. So bad that is didn't make any money.
Both movies are boring garbage.
@@111highgh why? Because it doesn't make pew pew sounds and cgi for at least 1hour ?
@@bastienadam7 Boring garbage. Can you read?
I had Splinter of the Mind's Eye when I was a kid. Never knew it was set up by Lucas to be a sequel. I don't really remember much about it (it was almost 40 years ago), but I believe I enjoyed it.
"You need to take risks."
Yeah, Hollywood studio heads don't do "risk." In fact, they do everything in their power to avoid risk and keep that money train chugging up to the station. That's a big reason why sequels often fail. The people with their hands on the piggy banks would rather smash their own fingers with a hammer than break open the bank and spend the money on an untested idea.
Risk is our business.
Best description of books ever: "It's like the internet, on thinly sliced pieces of wood."
Except you can still read it if you have a connection failure ;)
@@Shyning77 Depends on the author. I don't connect with some books.
@@Dilligff Yeah, it has to be readable, still ;)
Q: "What sequel do you wish you could forget?"
A: Any made after about 1998.
4:20 "Just take the drivers from The Fast and The Furious, and put them in the Transformers cars"
Fast and Furious producers: "write that down!"
A man with imagination, professionalism and common sense.
Especially common sense. That's what's lacking the most in Hollywood nowadays.
I remember leaving the theater in 1980 after watching the Empire Strikes Back and I was a jumble of emotions. Had no idea if Han was alive or dead or if he was going to live or die or what would happen. And was Vader really Luke’s father? It was crazy, and we had to wait 3 years to find out because - obviously - there was no internet, no social media. It was a great movie and it took huge risks and paid off
Not in name, but we had BBS. ;)
Same.
I am thoroughly enjoying these videos. Really appreciate introducing me to Chris Gore! I have a question. If you have to take risks when making a sequel how much risk before it turns into liability? Thank you!!!!
The Godfather II, The Empire Strike Back, Aliens, The Dark Knight, Spider-man II, Back to the Future II, LOTR: The Two Towers, Superman II are just some examples of really good/great sequels
Don't forget the Wrath of Khan.
I’m shocked the Jaws franchise didn’t come up. Talk about a limited premise!
Jaws 9, jaws in space. See, life in the old franchise, just get rid of the water!!! 😨
@@pablohanc that's called Sharknado
@@diersteinjulien6773 sounds like a great idea, I'm gutted someone got there 1st!!
Sharks targeting the Brody family. Ridiculous fun.
@@mooseyman74 Check out the Richard Jeni routine on Jaws 4.
I Wish I could forget the new Star Wars sequels.
I won't watch the last one, I turned off in the previous film at the green milk garbage
I never watched them.
It sounds more and more like Star Wars does too now, so much so that they have been laying the seeds to not necessarily erase it entirely, but instead to neuter their impact by relegating it to a potential future determined by whether or not Ashoka Tano is killed at the hands of Darth Vader in Star Wars: Rebels.
It's not that hard. They're pretty forgettable.
Me too, but there's worse sequels than that. Ace Ventura 3, The Mask 2, Godfather 3 were all bottom of the barrel bad compared to SW. The new SW was just forgettable linear storytelling garbage not much different than most superhero movies today. At least it didn't insult your intelligence the way the previously mentioned movies did.
Very insightful, I've been doing my own personal study on movies and story telling because I've always enjoyed doing it as a hobby but never really took it anywhere.
Chris Gore... still brutally honest!
Stallone cameos in Staying Alive because he wrote and directed it.
I've seen that movie a few times and I never noticed Stallone's Cameo lmao
Who would want to watch it the first time? Nope.
Its NO COINCIDENCE.
We live in an extremly problematic Era,
evidend by how MULTIPLE GIANT FRANCHISES
are currently burning, INCLUDING the
Single Biggest ever. So big, its Biggiiiness is in
the Worldrecord-Books: Doctor Who.
All this is no coincidence, duh.
Its basically a Thing of Social Problems.
The Empire Strikes Back, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises and Blade Runner 2049 have been the best movie sequels for me.
You listed all of mine!
I absolutely love each and everyone of these movies.
Lethal weapon 2
Blade Runner 2 was terrible.
Aliens.
"What sequel do you wish you could forget?" Do you have a couple of hours, because their are a lot of them, especially over the past 15 or so years.
Love how condescending this guy is. Makes me wanna watch all his videos.
The goobs in Hollywood should have to get Chris' stamp of approval before they're allowed to make anymore movies.
Hollywood movies today aren't bad though. You know why?
Because nothing is stronger than Family
Joker: You know how I got these scars?
Vin: Family 😑
When did Dom became a meme?
😆
*wheezing* LMAO
*fambily
Staying Alive was horrible. Specially compared to Saturday Night Fever!!! How dare you.
LOL!! I was totally LAUGHING OUT LOUD, when you said "put the fast and furious into the transformer cars..." PROPS, Chris, PROPS!
It’s very rare to see a third movie in a trilogy that’s really good like War for the Planet of the Apes
So true
'Return of the Jedi' and 'Revenge of the Sith'
'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade'
'The Dark Knight Rises'
Those are the best examples I can think of as the third movie in a trilogy. (Besides adaptations like LOTR)
@@robgreive3657 toy story 3
@@cecilabbott6092
True.
'Die Hard with a Vengeance' is another..
I dare to say it's even the best in the new trilogy.
Was he serious? Isn’t the “fast n the furious” about illegal car racing?
They…went… to…. Space???
Seriously???
I say fuck it.
Have them face vampires
Don't give them any idea's lol
Hate to break it to you but spoiler: not all but a few of them went to space in the recent film...... I couldn't believe it myself.
Lol yeah, it's like the Friday the 13th movies. You can't keep doing the same thing, and the well isn't deep, so you have to do something ridiculous and unique to make it memorable. Remember that time Busta Rhymes killed Michael Myers?
Eventually you can go back to your roots a bit and be basic, but that takes a couple decades for the nostalgia to kick in.
Lol yeah, it's like the Friday the 13th movies. You can't keep doing the same thing, and the well isn't deep, so you have to do something ridiculous and unique to make it memorable. Remember that time Busta Rhymes killed Michael Myers?
Eventually you can go back to your roots a bit and be basic, but that takes a couple decades for the nostalgia to kick in.
@@BMoser-bv6kn some movies get it. Aliens, t2. Basically keep it the same other than one crucial factor. Like when they made the new Star Wars trilogy they basically made it the empire Vs the rebellion. Lame.
Like xmen get it. The fight Magneto in each but after the first time he must team with them. If the new Star wars movies started same as the first then aliens invade so the sith n Jedi much work together they’d be staying with same factors just introducing new dynamic and instead it’s just Death Star 5.0. Lame
I am convinced that the 1993 Hollywood writers strike never actually ended.
Biggest disappointment for me would be the way the fast and the furious franchise progressed. Listening to interviews with the people who make those movies really only pissed me off. "how are we going to do it bigger and better.. bigger and better.. next one has to be even bigger! let's make it even better!!" The entire time he thought better meant to turn the story into a fantasy series about stupid stunts that take the viewer right out of the movie and remind them that they're just watching an entirely ridiculous stunt reel rather than movie with human characters in a universe that follows laws of physics. The characters went from being regular people to being able to performing stunts only a superhero out of Marvel could accomplish. Watching those films feels like watching a college project from a bunch of constantly drunk douchy guys who did a bunch of cocaine and decided to make a movie. Probably something like this, "bruh, Lets launch this car from the window of the burj!" "Yeah bro! sick!" "Sweet! F*&^ yeah!" "Lets give Dom the strength of The Hulk!!" "Bro! F*&^!!!!! YES!!!" .. an on to eternity they go. Cowtowing to china for all of their viewership numbers and profit because their movies suck didn't help either. Cena (who should have never been in any of the movies anyway) is such embarrassment now.