You gotta love the argument of "All modern movies are garbage" when it comes from a supposed cinephile's channel. Because great movies come out every single year, with no exception, is always unfair to say something like that. You may just be too snobby to go out of your way to even watch them, wich is you know, stupid, considering you are a supposed cinema fan. So then you are not to blame the studios entirely but yourself as an audience member. Just go to the teathre and support the people that actually give a shit instead of going to watch the next jurassic world Obviously the vast majority of movies that get produced worldwide every year are gonna be bad. That is a fact and it will always be as long as film itself exists. Why? Because film actually takes skill to master, so you cant expect everybody that has a try at it be good. That has been true even sice the times movie snobs consider as the best for movies: We remember A Space Oddissey as the masterpiece that it is but nobody remembers Attack of the killer tomatoes. The good stuff is always gonna keep coming, but if you are totally reliant on the distribution or in the recepcion that a film gets in orden to watch it, there is something very wrong with you. Not every movie that has a classic status is deserving of it, not every movie that is widely regarded as great is (back to the future, starwars, indiana jones). We cannot rely on the distribution that a film will get and not even in its reception. So the only solution is just going out of our way to find the actual great film. Thats something you know, a person that actually likes movies would do. But in order to do that you need to have criteria, something that if you dont pocess you should just stay out of the opinion game. We already got enough noise.
@@schmebulockjizz listen pal, blaming it on people who are clearly showcasing the problems with Hollywood today and considering that there has been no European and Japanese directors to replace their masters only shows how much of a disgustingly naive peasant you really are. Since you are so desperate to put your two cents worth, name one director on the planet that can replace a Kubrick, a Hitchcock, a Welles, old school Scorsese, Coppola and Spielberg? Who is going to replace a Kurosawa or Renoir? Nobody will, because the talent isn't there any more and society has been so dumbed down that it will never happen.
@@schmebulockjizz And yes, there may have been a Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. But do you what there isn't around today? A 2001 a Space Odyssey. And most movies out there now are worse and have less charm than Killer Tomatoes.
From what I’ve heard, the people who own the rights to the Back to the Future franchise, will never sell them precisely because they know how they will be destroyed. They are adamantly holding on to their creation for dear life regardless of how much money has been offered to them. Good for them, I say. At least someone stands on principle.
I would rather see them selling it and enjoy the money. We are grown ups, we wont attend the movie. Even better, we can tell, original was better and let that be free marketing to convince those, who had not seen it. Just let them loose money and, yeah, give money to original creators, why not. Star Wars was not ruined by new movies - Disney was.
That would be the director Robert Zemeckis, which has literally said "over my dead body" to a remake. So all you can hope for is that he lives a long time and that whoever gets a hold of his rights/estate chooses to uphold his wishes.
@@TigonIII that’s correct. Bob Gale and Rob Zemekis wrote the thing. You just know that Hollyweird is waiting for them to die so that they can fuck it all up.
I am a Latin American woman. Diversity in movies to me means watching films from different countries, in different languages. I don't expect to see Costa Rican characters in Korean or Middle Eastern films. I don't need to. Humans are the same everywhere and we share similar experiences: parenthood, childhood, love, death. I empathized with Arthur Fleck in Joker. I cried for him. He's a man. I'm a woman. Our countries are different. But both of us are human, and I don't need him to be a replica of myself to feel his pain.
Rocio, well-said. Hollywood has become too politically motivated. The Leftists in Hollywood have mangled the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s intent -- that we each be known by the content of our character, than by the color of our skin, the equipment our body carries between our legs, the preferences we have, etc. The Leftists in Hollywood are *_creating_* racism and gender divisions, not helping eliminate them.
We need more guys like this in Hollywood. I'm Nigerian and I love Batman and the Flash to death. I don't need a Nigerian Batman to see myself in the character or love the character. I actually love the diversity of stories that can be told from different cultures and points of view other than my own. Its intriguing.
Amen! Honest diversity. Today, there is too much dishonesty which creates more racism and bigotry, white-bashing, male-bashing, etc. Moral relativism and the PC, Social Justice Wuss rot are ruining our culture. We can celebrate our cultures and viewpoints without bashing anyone.
I don't get the idea of having a Nigerian batman. Hollywood won't brand him as a Nigerian but Black, making it look like an African American/Black American to pander to the African American audience
@@peacheskong2245 Which is absurd when you think about it, because the world grew up watching American cartoons and movies, and the average person in the world doesn't look anything like the usual American lead in movies, whether white or black. People in China aren't going to care MORE about a movie with an ethnically Chinese man or woman as the lead, for the same reason people in Saudi Arabia won't either. Some might be curious about the movie but at the end of the day, fans of Alien and Batman and Blade and Indiana Jones worldwide, whether they're from Brazil or Italy or Japan, don't care specifically about the race, but the actual character(s) in the franchise. At the same time, if you make Ellen Ripley a Thai woman, Bruce Wayne a black man, or Indiana Jones a woman, they're not going to be invested in those characters. Because Ellen Ripley doesn't look Southeast Asian, Bruce Wayne isn't black, and Indiana Jones isn't female.
@@myrhev Batman- *_type,_* yes! Black Batman, no! No white Othello, no Chinese Sitting Bull, no Ethiopian George Washington. End all PC, Social Justice Wuss mentality.
The irony is, is that the original creators of iconic characters and films would today never be given a chance to pursue their vision given the current mindsets of studios
I have bean reading a lot of books lately there are so meny good story s out there that would be amasing movies or tv show s that are being complitly ignored
@@TheHilltopPillbox , exactly! I've been thinking that. Maybe nothing will ever be as good to me as The Matrix and The Lord Of the Rings, and maybe I'm just jaded because I'm getting old, but it really does feel like it has been a long time since something really great has come along. Even the Harry Potter series was pretty good, though made more for kids. But that was 2001 - 2009. The turn of the century was crap for popular music, but great for movies.
As a black man, I roll my eyes everytime I hear a beloved character or franchise getting switched because “diversity”. The black Superman announcement really hurt. There’s so many original characters at the disposal and they’re getting left to rot. Also, it doesn’t help when the studios behind these changes outright talk down to the fanbases for not liking them. And it’s really sad what happens to characters when they get swapped just to check a box. Look at what happened to a cool, badass character like Taskmaster in Black Widow. Reduced to a shell of what he’s supposed to be because “diversity”. It’s getting tiresome. EDIT: Appreciate those who read the whole comment, and understood what I was trying to say instead of unnecessarily attacking with flawed logic. Crazy how people believe you, and the community whose been reading, and watching their whole lives are hateful for wanting originality. We’re living in a weird ass time lol.
@@mgsxmike I know that. Lifelong comic fan. It won’t be him, though. It’ll be a black Clark Kent. Which no one wants. And no one asked for a different Supes. Even if Steel or Val Zod was being introduced, still don’t want it. If they had a solid foundation, and established a multiverse through it, it wouldn’t bug me much. But this isn’t that. Original Characters who are black, gay, and women exist. Use them. Not ride the coattails of existing characters because they’re popular. Just because he’ll be black doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. We need to get past this dumb shit.
You are totally correct and it's just silly, people see right through it. There are many great black characters, ones white people like and white characters black people like, that's the beauty. If they want more or there is a market for more, create one. Jon Stuart is my favourite Green Lantern because he is who he is, he isn't a black Hal Jordon.
But not before throwing beloved legacy characters under the bus, undermining their whole arc, and rubbing it in the fan's faces that said character never deserved recognition in the first place. See Luke Skywalker, John Connor, and if rumors are to be believed, Indiana Jones.
Don't forget to declare that men are not welcome to watch the movie before the release and then cry that movie failed because evil sexist men didn't watch it.
I don't beleave it's general audiences. People still get excited for clear bs, like when Batman Vs Superman was coming out people were losing their minds and the trailer looked like sh!t. This still happens all the time and then people are suprised the product was bad, still. General audiences doesn't know the solid directors, how thing work in the indrusty and don't seem to notice a studio movie where executives micromanage everything (like Edgar Wright dropping out of Ant-Man because he couldn't direct his version while his style would have been Perfect for that kinda story) people will just go for it. A new Fantastic Beasts movie, last ones were garpage but let's see if this is. Even these days I've noticed that general audiences put an ok movie into pedastal because it's better than what these days typically comes out. For an example the new Batman was ok and waay too hyped after release. It was a total rip off from Se7en and Saw and didn't have much of an own identity past that and it was done that way because The Joker took a lot from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy which are both directed by Scorsese and lead by DeNiro. The difference comes in with The Joker still having it's own identity and it's own thing going on, it actually made a pretty neat trick of making the audience want Arthur to shoot DeNiro's character even tho the worst thing he had done was telling couple of jokes about Arthur (the guy not being able to know Arthur having a daddy complex towards him thru tv and also being at the brink of losing his mind completely). It kinda made the audience into the side of madness quite brilliantly. The new Batman didn't really do anything new or it's own.
I really miss the time when movies were amazing. I remember watching Spielberg movies, George Lucas Star Wars, Matrix, Lord of The Rings... And I would always leave the cinema thinking "Man, I can't believe how AWESOME those movies are, just imagine how it will be 10 years from now!" - Little did I know that it would turn into a shitstorm of terrible productions.
@@AardvarkDK Yeah, there are always some jewels, which are trying new ways, have new ideas or honor the old cinematic movie style. But the most movies with big budgets are only sequels, reboots or DC/Marvel Comics movies, where one action scene rows another action scene and the real story happens in shitty scripted talk between such scenes. Take "Dr. Strange and Mad Multiverse"... it was an overall good movie with fresh ideas and good made action scences (The "music battle" was nice), but between those scenes, they are talking what happens or happened, instead of showing it. The newest Harry Potter movie about Dumbledor was in my eyes terrible. So much senseless talk... please show... dont talk... And it feels like the lazyness in story telling is getting really out of hand. New movies have so many logic errors and plot holes, like... "accept it or get away", feels like the authors think the viewer will have less IQ than a potato...
@@TheKamiran85 Yeah... That's what I mean. It's not that there aren't good movies anymore. A few recent examples being Blade Runner 2049, Everything Everywhere All at Once, and (in the TV Series realm) Dark - which are absolute masterpieces IMO. But most of what comes out nowadays is really just the "potato IQ" type of thing, which really upsets me.
@@MatheusManente lol same here, I remember when me and my buddy were fascinating about a new terminator movie (at that point only 1 and 2 existed) and how amazing that gonna be... little did we know what was coming lol
One of the most successful sci-fi horror movies of all time, Alien, features one of the greatest characters of all time. You know why it worked? Because they wrote all the characters first, calling them by their last names, meaning every single character was written AS A CHARACTER, not "this one is male, these are absolutely female". They wrote the characters without worrying about their gender, THEN they cast the people to play them.
I do have to say that back when the studio was against having a female hero so to speak. It was a breakthrough role for sure but movies in the past didn’t care about culture wars or gender wars, it was always about the story and characters. That’s why better movies were made.
Exactly. If it is important for the story that the character needs to be black, white, yellow, red, gay, female, male, idiot, whatever then go ahead, but doing it so the average idiot do not get offended is so wrong.
I'm not sure it worked because of that. it worked because it was a good story and well played. Since Shakespeare to Dostoyevski, they all have female and male characters. There's nothing wrong with writting a femenin character for a woman or a masculine character for a man...
People would have screamed "woke!" at the inclusion of Ripley in the film. Why? Because there are plenty of young and grown men who have this miserable outlook on life that they can't help but hate women. While everyone else would welcome Ripley as being the protagonist in the film, these men would constantly engage against that inclusion because they keep doing it and they can't help but do so because they're miserable. There is plenty of empirical evidence to this.
Same for me, yet I get called a sexist, racist or homephobic if I don't identity with a poorly written character that just so happens to be a woman, gay or a different ethnicity then my own. I dislike plenty of straight white male characters as well because those traits have nothing to do with it. It's everything else surrounding those characters that bother me.
Very true, A big part of the problem are sites like Rotten Tomatos and "woke" social justice reviewers like Chris Stuckman who give a false sense of what movies most people actually enjoy watching
I am a woman and I've always identified with a huge amount of male characters. And now that they're showing us female "heroes" I can't identify with them because they're poorly written and it's a f*cking shame. It's NOT about the gender but about the quallity of the character, if he or she or wathever is poorly developed, has no personality at all and struggles with absolutely nothing I can't even find a human in it. Humans are complex.
What Hollywood is doing is a great way to prevent people from feeling empathy to people who are different from them and grooming them into being narcissists.
"The gender and ethnicity should be irrelevant". THANK YOU! That's what I've been trying to say for years! Stop focusing on characters' gender, background, sexuality or ethnicity and just write good original characters. I am going to root for and identify with them if they're well written and if their struggles are relatable. Representation is good as long is it's not the main focus of a character's personality. Then, as Chris explains, it just becomes blatant pandering.
If gender and ethnicity doesn’t matter, then why are movies overwhelmingly white? They should just cast whoever’s the best for the part or produce work by people of all races?
You guys still don't get it do you. Hollywood doesn't want to create original stories and original characters if they can help it anymore. Anything other than an existing franchise with existing formula is far riskier than ever, and the only types getting greenlit on original ideas are established names like PTA and Tarantino and Scorcese (who some would say are losing their edge). Theatrical releases, now more than ever, have the added burden of not being able to rely of physical media sales if the film flops. Streaming had too heavy of an effect on the theater market for studios to take the same kinds of risks and hedge their bets like they used to. Remakes and reboots won't stop being the norm until they iron out their business models in this streaming-dominant era. And frankly, if all the things you list are truly irrelevant then it's amazing how upset you guys get at the mere announcement of it even if the film itself barely focuses on it.
Everything he says is common sense and nothing new. Businesses aren't dumb. They just don't care. They do whatever works for them. It's the viewers who buy tickets and DVDs regardless that are to blame.
That whole "people can only identify with characters that reflect them" has always confused me... there's a movie in the MCU where viewers of all walks of life cried for a tree that can't say more than four words.
Same with representation that people mainly focus on. To me representation should be about said character( no matter the skin color or sexual preferences) choices and how the way he or she handles situations or treats people,that I can relate to and say” yea if that was me I would have done that”. The way how representation is lately,is stupid. Just because you have a African American character or Hispanic character in said movie or show doesn’t mean that people of that color should feel represented because you gave the role to someone who’s black ,Hispanic, Asian and etc. when I watch black panther,I can’t relate to T’Challa’s father because the choice he made of killing his brother without hesitation Is dumb to me considering he has a suit made of vibranium and he could have stepped in front of the gun plus he didn’t need to kill his brother
yeah it seems oddly narcissistic to think people can only like characters that are physically similar to them. and even if they do look similar, thats kinda assuming that all people of the same gender/race/age etc are exactly alike.
It’s not that people can’t relate otherwise fiction literally wouldn’t exist. It’s that not seeing a person like yourself portrayed as anything other than a villain or never portrayed at all sends a message about what society thinks of people like you. Normalising visibility of those characters and their stories a.) does allow for those original fresh stories we crave as they’ve historically not been given as much focus so feel fresh and b.) represent a more recognisable reality for us all and so farce stories feel more true and c.) can be insightful and enlightening and thus engaging. It’s just better storytelling. I’d done honestly and well
I am a woman and I must say... THANK YOU!! While I admit I liked some of the female lead reboots and sequels, I cannot lie; I despise "she-makes" for this reason. It is backwards writing as it relies on riding the tail of success of the original male lead version, it reinforces the false and detrimental message that women have to be men to be taken seriously, and it discourages the idea that female characters should be more than just another version of an existing character.
I agree with you, I also don't like that a lot of movies these days promote the idea that being a "Strong Female Character", mean's being a "Masculine Female Character" Even original shows now-a-days promote this idea of a "Strong Female Character" needing to be Masculine and i think thats an appalling message to tell young girls. "To be strong, you have to be more like boys" its BS. A prime example of this is the new Lord of the Rings series on Amazon, Galadriel has been transformed from a Badass, Strong, Powerful and yes Feminine, Female Character. Into what you would imagine a stereo typical "Strong Male Character" to be. From an Ethereal, Magical, demi-god like Queen, into a Female sword wielding warrior. Like What's the message supposed to be there?
@@mk_wizard I'm pretty annoyed about it to be honest. I know i'm not alone in saying this, but i am a massive lord of the rings fan, and i hate that i can't even be excited to see this series.
agreed, it just makes it feel like female leads aren't as strong and need to ride the male coat tales as you said. plus it also tends to destroy the original qualities that we loved about the male lead/character by trying to fit them into a female version. some are ok while others are a flop. if the reverse were done to female characters it would not be better and many would be outraged. I do enjoy seeing characters as something different but not when it changes everything about iconic characters that i loved
“You need to be able to identify with people are aren’t you” is such a critical part of this. Peolle these days for some reason seem to only be able to identify with people who look EXACTLY like them which is so shallow. I’ve never had an issue identifying with people who are nothing like me on the surface.
Very true, don't pander to that kind of laziness in the audience. It is also too easy to just blame the audience to get used to what they are spoon-fed, there is a genuine obligation of the makers to create something of substance and not only try to milk some franchise. That substance can also be humor, I still like the "stupid" slapstick of the thirties, because the actors (Laurel & Hardy, Marx brothers) had perfect timing and delivery.
most people do, you gotta remember these crazies are the minority. thats literally the reason these woke movies bomb. execs think like that and overestimate the woke audience.
@@cius2112 no matter how many of their movies bomb, the studios will never stop making "woke" movies. They won't get you to like them, but they'll get your kid, or your kid's kid. They don't need to make money here, they'll make money in China. Soon, every last bit of art will be gone and movies will become straight up government mouthpieces telling us which "Emmanuel Goldstein" to scream at next. Oh....wait....
I don't disagree with this sentiment; but at the same time it holds true for other side of the coin as well. The Ring, Old Boy and Infernal Affairs didn't need to be adapted with Western actors. The stories and acting were good enough as is, but the industry of that time didn't think audiences would connect to an Asian lead. Seeing someone who looks like you on screen is important for Americans precisely because of how limiting Hollywood has been in allowing non-traditional casts or even leads. I dislike diversity for diversity's sake, but for the love of god please don't cast a white woman for a character named Kusanagi
Maybe it's just awkwardly put, but I don't think I need to identify with movie characters. For example, I've never been to war, don't suffer from PTSD or insomnia, and I have no inclination to kill anyone. Still, I think Taxi Driver's Travis Bickle is a great character, while the film thrives on watching him and understanding his motives. It is because he's a personality that's almost completely the opposite of my own character (and probably most people's) what makes him so interesting.
@@robderich8533 I have never been to war, suffer from PTSD or have insomnia either ... and I have actually never watched Taxi Driver (which is a big flaw in my upbringing, I know :D). But my point is that you should still be able to relate to very common human aspects like overcoming challenges and struggles without it having to be a person who is the same race, gender or sex as me. It is the very ability to relate to humans that does not look like ourselves that makes us empathetic humans, in my opinion.
I totally agree with Chris Hollywood needs to find and Create New Characters.I think that Hollywood is afraid to take the Risk and continues with Ruining Great Films to re capture the Magic and you cannot do that..
@@mickeymackenna1090 Studios can't afford risks because they'd rather get in pissing contests over how much they can spend and recoup, and they want to keep their simpleton demographic of 8-24 with disposable income, who don't discriminate about sequels and remakes. Until that demo loses its disposability, nothing will change and Hollywood will continue backing itself into an entropic corner that Lucas and Spielberg stated would cause cinema to eventually implode. There's an actual contest going on RIGHT NOW regarding box office revenue between Avengers: Endgame and Avatar. Each gets rereleased in a theater, earns a buck more, then gets bragged about on social media... EVEN THOUGH BOTH MOVIES ARE OWNED BY THE SAME STUDIO.
Sarah Connor’s transformation from clueless waitress who couldn’t even balance her check book to the scene with her at the beginning of T-2 doing the pull ups is the GREATEST female transformation of a character ever in movies! Shame what they doing to that franchise now..
I think that is another issue, that hadn't been brought up. Some stories have a natural life span, and trying to keep them alive after that is pretty useless. Taking a standalone movie and making a sequel is hard enough. Some times you get the rare success, like with T-2 or aliens. But then trying to take a standalone movie and turn it into a 5-6 movie franchises, that basically never work. The story wasn't written to be stretched out like that.
Linda Hamilton has said that she didn't want to play Sarah Connor again because the character arc was complete at the end of T2. Then she did Terminator Dark Fate anyway. Probably for the paycheck.
I see this as two problems spawning a third problem. Trying to cling to the old, while wanting to experience as if it were new once more. There is a desire to make things new, that are topical, this isn't a bad thing. But in the current environment, the only option is try and mutate old DNA rather than creating something new an organic. And so of course it feels artificial and false. A time travel adventure comedy movie with a female leading cast could be amazing . . . It just wouldn't be, or rather shouldn't be, Back to the Future. Maybe Back to the Future can just ride off into the sunset. Maybe that's okay.
Gotta be honest, the Villeneuve Dune was great, and I prefer how Kynes went out in that movie compared to the book. Plus, I think Villeneuve swapped the gender of Kynes because Kynes is a planetologist/planetary ecologist, and many cultures tend to see "Earth" (in this case, Arrakis) as a feminine entity. Villeneueve likes his themes. Gender swapping can be great when used properly and if it serves the film's themes.
The problem is that women haven't been getting great strong characters or as many compared to men. So hollywood is now overcompensating to the point of absurdity. Like "let's gender swap iconic characters!" ... Why? There are several original characters that can be made iconic, whose stories I don't know. Why retread the same ground? Is it because Hollywood isn't sure it will sell but Superman and Batman always make bank? And NOW when we have a lead female character they are "perfect". They have multiple amazing skills, perfect logic and are never wrong and are flawless. This is boring. A character is interesting when they are multifaceted. Strengths and weaknesses, flaws in their thinking or beliefs that need to be overcome, when they don't win every fight. If they walk through everything on God mode then what's the point? Where is the conflict or drive to this story? This is as exciting as someone crossing on a greenlight at 8pm near a shopping mall. Not only that but often these new "empowered" female characters are hypocrites or blatantly wrong but it can't be pointed out because then it isn't woke or supportive. No. Characters should be called on their BS because it challenges them and should cause them to re-evaluate their actions and self. Because there is no challenge there is no drive. Because there are no flaws there is no growth. Because there is no need to change there is no journey. Because there is no journey there is no story.
I think Furiosa is a great example of creating a original character that feels like a natural fit for the franchise; she is a unique character with a unique story, Not just a female version of MAX. It adds depth to to story instead of making it feel like a more shallow box checking exercise. EDIT: i made this comment before he got to the mad max part haha;
Hey but Furiosa takes the spotlight on that movie and was the director choice to do that, and the movie have the name Mad Max Fury Road...Mad Max!! Its about Mad Max not about Furiosa...and maybee that was the reason Charlize and Hardy don't get along😜😜👍
Haha nice. Also Furiosa didn’t overshadow Max which is important. They team up and both kick ass and it’s glorious. Unlike something like Thor: Love and Thunder where Jane overshadows Thor at times and he looks like a goof in comparison. It’s like they purposely put Thor down so that she can appear stronger.
Chris is 💯 percent correct. As a Black creator, it absolutely _pains_ me when I see or even hear about the blatant pandering that some of these execs and studios are considering. I don’t want a Black Superman - give me an original Black superhero, or at least one of the many that already exist in comics that haven’t been adapted yet. More original characters from original voices. There are so many talented creators out here with stories begging to be told that there’s no need for any blatantly pandering race- or gender-swapped remakes and reboots.
Here my issue with this statement. Hollywood for the vast majority of its history has been pandering to white people. Superman was created during a time when they would have never even considered making anything other then white and male. So let’s not act like the creation of the character where completely I in-removed from any form of biases. So if they make a Superman movie and it’s a black Clarke Kent first thing I’m going to ask is is the story good.
@@ericsmith9547 black have had enough time to make their own worlds that aren't tryna exploit black emotions. All movies are so basic and stereotypical. I don't wanna see a black James bond. Superman is a white man, written by a white man. Where's the problem in that
@@ericsmith9547 So what is the excuse for there not being an Icon and Rocket Movie? Or Why Milestone, a minority owned comic company failed due to, amongst other things, lack of sales. Like most other sensible black comic fans I do not want a "black Superman" I mean I could barely tolerate blue marvel as the reason for his creation was so obvious. Why don't they create a "Power man" movie as that was the African equivalent of Ssuperman back in the day. As for his origin, yeah I have no problem with them changing that as getting bitten by a cobra at the exact moment you are struck by lightning is just bad luck
@@mattwho81 Doc would have to build a new DeLorean from scratch, or the kids would have to hijack the time train from Part III. I'm pretty sure there was a 90s cartoon series that did just that with Doc/Clara's kids.
@@mattwho81 Yeah, but they would do it dark or something, one of Doc's kids from the future is like a psychopathic timelord with a handheld time machine. "It worked with Dark Knight" is the usual answer why this dark stuff "should" work. Better not to give them bad ideas.
"How you can tell a story is good? You can relate to a character if you are different from the character" Chris is so right! That makes for a good story. I never had to see myself in another character in order to like/love the character and/or the story Why don't people do that these days and especially this generation of people? It requires literal thinking. Movies and TV show these days, the 99% of them don't require you to think about what you are watching. Yes, a female Back to The Future reboot would not work in anyway. And when she was trying to pitch how a female Biff would work...no, it wouldn't work. The whole physical bullying from a female Biff just would not work an not be believable..
And the door swings BOTH ways in terms of what the audience wants to see. We dislike the concept of a 'gender swap' whether it is male-to-female or female-to-male. I don't want "Kill Bill" flipped to a guy getting revenge on a woman called "Kill Jill" or something. I don't want a reboot of Underworld that is based around a guy instead of Kate Beckinsale(although why the Hybrid character Michael wasn't more prominent in the series is beyond me) or an Alien reboot all about "Ellis Ripley" or some crap like that. Do we need a Hunger Games re-vamp where Katniss is now a guy? No.
No one would dare defile the work of Tarantino in this way. He is already well known for being a bastard, anyone who attempted such a hack job would probably end up like Marvin.
They will never in a million years flip the other way. There would be protests about it. Twitter would go mad and destroy cities. They only swap characters out that are male, white or straight. Its never the other way.
I don't give a flying flutter fuck about the gender/sexuality/race of a creator I despise the notion that someone should be given a project deal because of their gender/sexuality/race. Its literally the opposite of how I was raised to regard those things, that we should judge people on their character and their personal ability.
@@mrpuss2519 ummmmm No, Batman is a male and he is perfect the way he is, end of story. People like you only make these cases because of the establishment shoving this rubbish down your throat.
@SH4D0W I believe the point is to get a variety of ideas. It's certainly important to have creators of good character and ability, but gender/sexuality/race change a person's perspective on life, and as a result, the sort of stories and characters they create. For that matter, it's good to have creators of different ages, cultures, and personalities, too. Not only does this create more variety across films, it allows for cross pollination between filmmakers (and storytellers in general, for that matter). One example I like is the inspiration George Lucas drew from samurai films when creating Star Wars. Most of his inspiration was Western in origin, like Spaghetti Westerns, Dune, and other sci-fi. but that cross pollination from another culture created something unique and compelling. I believe we can all learn from each other and tell better stories as a result.
@@cryorime5 I think what you're referring to is Favreau's Mandalorian. The disagreement comes from people reinventing and ultimately ruining an older story just for the sole purpose of adding in modern politics and to appeal to SJWs. Which is what is happening, you say that having these different viewpoints will create better stories but there isn't any evidence to prove that. If you have a unique perspective then you should create unique and new stories.
You have to be able to see through the eyes of someone other than yourself. This is the magic of storytelling! You help connect people to ideas, experiences, and perspectives that aren't their own. This is the reason we love stories in multiple formats. We as writers should be connecting viewers to each other, not isolating characters to fit agendas that aren't fixing anything.
The problem is whenever they do gender swapping, they start to think that gender swapping by itself is original enough and they stop putting efforts into the story and the characters themselves.
Then the movie becomes another long winded womansplaining MEGtalk about why woman are just better than men at everything. Including ruining beloved franchises.
@@Nickulator Exactly that. You could see it on Ghostbusters 2016. Right from the very first trailer everyone hated that movie for its "If you even say one joke is not funny, You are the biggest sexist there is ....Nerd!" So every man in existence was labled "against women" by Paul Feig and Melissa McCarthy .... Now look at Ghostbusters Afterlife 95% of the fans loved the trailers, and by the looks of it, the protagonist is a lil "nerd-girl" .... so maybe its not WHO is in the story, but something never seen before .... THE STORY!
Considering how tone deaf hollywood are they would make Mandy a lesbian. She goes back and her it turns out her mom is gay too and she has to persuade her not to be to survive. I would actually watch that thinking about it.
Holy shit, that's such an awesome movie idea! But it would be so controversial, because what's the better choice? Dying or forcing your Mom to be straight? You got ne intrigued there 😂
The mere fact that they have to gender swap or race swap to prove how diverse and empowering they are is the problem. Stop trying to prove something and just write a good story and stop using existing franchises and classics that haven’t had enough time to age. Another words making a remake from the 30s or 40s might be ideal but using something in recent memory like the 80’s or 90s is in danger of ruining people’s nostalgia, culture, and childhood. If you like Unique Independent films be sure to subscribe to our channel we don’t ruin memories we create new ones.
I would absolutely love to see the numbers proving pandering really works. I doubt any of the target audience they think "would watch" the Ghostbuster reboot really paid for a ticket. I just don't see the business in this, which makes me suspicious what the real motivation is.
It's funny how people always talk about how unoriginal things are "Now." Even is Shakespeare's time they were lamenting that there was nothing new to be told. The bulk of films throughout history have been unoriginal. We remember the small portion of the ones that weren't. Studios used to crank out a new film every week, most lost to time. There have been around 100 remakes of Dracula. Quantity over quality has always been the name of the game. If most films aren't new, neither is that trend.
There was a scene in Dark Fate where the Androgynous Terminator had the gall while Sarah was in the motel room to tell the female "hero" that she wasn't just the mother of the future, she WAS the future. AT was literally downplaying and mocking Sarah's importance to the franchise. This is the problem with modern Hollywood. It's all tell and no show.
It's not just gender-swapping. It's always swapping a man out for a woman, never the other way around. Or making a female side character more important than the original male character.
what im really concerned is not replacing white men for poc or females, is that 90% of the time they are red heads, not just any random white person, is hollywood trying to erase gingers ?
You're right, we, the men, would really want to see Mean Boys, a reboot of the excellent Mean Girls. Imagine Gossip boys, I want someone there that I can relate to
Yes. Yes. Yes. This is so good. Chris is like the prophet of modern cinema storytelling. Studio execs should be listening because he's verbalizing what many (most?) of us are thinking (and some of which we'd be too afraid to verbalize).
I remember sneaking into movies when I was a kid at those early big theatres because they would always have a number of movies I would want to see. Now it's a very rare occasion when there is a single thing that interests me.
Only now? Lucky you lol. By by 2008 I realized very few movies coming out interested me, by 2010 my mantra was "I don't watch movies, I only watch series". I didn't even know why, just that I felt movies were no longer good. Spent the past decade just watching 90s and 80 movies. And as a so-called minority, I never once felt left out growing up in the 90s because there was a ton of representation.
the whole idea that you need to "see yourself" in the character is such a ridiculous concept, I'm was born, rise and still living in Latin America and I grew up loving anime, cartoons, comics, manga and Japanese videogames (all of which more often than not never has a Latino(a) as a lead character) and that never stop me from enjoying or relating with any of those character. a good character/story is good regardless of race, age, sexuality and gender, if not why the hell this brain dead, creatively bankrupt Hollywood people think Manga and Anime are more popular than they have ever been, is not because everybody in the world is Japanese I'll tell you that much.
The real reason? Diversity quotas for awards. Any production that wants to be considered for awards must have xyz amount of non-white actors. Equals forced and shitty casting in most shows. Look at the new lord of the rings for example. Shit all over an author's legends about a European fantasy and replace elves with Africans lol. Imagine taking a black mythological story and replacing everyone with brad Pitt and Ryan Gosling lmaoo No one cares if the writer is white though.
@@trumpsaloser um... nope you're wrong like by soooo much dude, you don't know me nor my experiences first of all yes I'm a Latino living in Latin America yet I have struggle with depression for years because, and here's the kicker, I feel like I don't fit in and don't relate to most people in my country, you can be Japanese living in Japan and still feel like you don't belong, shocker I know, I dislike/hate most of the TV shows, music and movies made in my country I very often think they suck, they do not appeal to me nor my tastes, Football (soccer) is the most beloved sport in Latin America, guess what I hate soccer, hell throughout the years my "fellow country men" have ask me where I'm from because I'm not like the average person in my country to the point that even they think I'm an outsider, I actually leave my homeland and move to another country, yes I'm still in Latin America but not the same country and sadly most people like to put all Latinos into one basket like we're all the same (that's like me saying Canada and USA is the same because they're both North and speak English), a Mexican is not a Brazilian and a Venezuelan is not a Colombian, and just because I'm a Latino in Latin America doesn't mean that I don't have issues like, who am I, what should I do, Where do I belong. those are human feelings and emotions that people from every race, gender and age can relate to, sure I live in Latin America surrounded by Latino(a)s that doesn't mean that I'm walking on the street with a happy go lucky smile saying "Oh boy I sure feel at home with so many Latinos like myself" there's a difference in feeling represented and feeling identify with someone, that's why I said that growing up I watch and enjoy a ton of media that has nothing to do with my race or nationality, because at the end of the day when it comes to entertainment it really shouldn't matter 'cause emotions are emotions and we all have them and can relate to them, that was my whole point.
Same. I'm Mexican and I loved Star Wars and Luke Skywalker as a kid. I never once thought about him being a white guy, I fell in love with his character, someone who wanted something bigger out of life (like many of us do)
I've not ever heard anyone speak about Amelie til now. I actually saw this title with my father in theatre, The last time we went to see a movie together. I absolutely LOVED that film! I'm not impressed with costly special effects. Good dialogue, character & story development make (or break) movies in my opinion.
7:40 is actually very insightful. This is why people who claim they are empathetic, are actually the opposite when they push for having characters that people can "identify with" - they place a premium on ones ability to see themselves, rather than ones ability to see others. Its all part of the way the wind is blowing today, narcissist, authoritarians who claim they are fighting for a more empathic world when they are creating the opposite.
@@Trakesh To them it's all because of discrimination. "Female was oppressed, black was oppressed so nobody complained back then" they say. And now they're corrupting essentially everything they touch on media, claiming they are and were the victims so they have every right to speak up. Well guess what. Entertainment should be about fun stuff, not lectures about equality bullshit. That's just disgusting and stupid.
@@Averycriptid4020 It is when it's not in service to a story or the characters in the story. Diversity for diversity sake is pandering and inauthentic.
Luckily Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale have said, they won't ever sell the rights and there will never be another BTTF. Let's hope, they keep that promise, no matter how big the checks get, that are thrown at them.
They kept that promise and over the years after the trilogy they regonized they had made pop culture history, so they are very aware of those implications and surely see the movies nowdays made
@@IloveElsaofArendelle You're right. I do believe they know that this is their legacy and no amount of money would justify blemishing it. Like with Star Wars, You can say all you want, you just consider the OT canon or just what Lucas did, but still the Sequels will forever leave that bitter taste in your mouth. You can't unwatch them. Maybe BTTF is really the only franchise getting through these dark ages of cinema unscathed.
I don’t know a sci-fi nut my age (mid-30s) or older who doesn’t love Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor or Dana Skully. Not because they have a uterus, but because they were great characters.
The worst is, I don't even have a problem with political activists in the movies in general, unfortunately, they are "political activists", fake ones, they're doing it so poorly that it will truly put them down :'')
@@PegasStar Agreed 100%. I think this may be at the crux of the issue. The studios don’t actually care about any of these topics, they just want to capitalize on it to make more $$$. They make these switches, hoping that it will sell better. And they’re not actually giving characters that are non white straight males their own stories, their own struggles, and letting us the audience identify and root for them. I’m all for movies that have a thesis statement or message, it’s just so transparent that all of these contemporary movie’s intent is to make money. Period. It’s actually really messed up when you think about it deeper. Since executives are not giving people with other identities their own stories and paths, it becomes clear that they’re using their identity alone to make more money, which just comes down to being exploitive. They’re not actually doing the work to provide different identities their own chance at success, they’re just giving them a worse written, tired worn out piece of trash to work with, and not allowing their characters to struggle in the process, which would at least help the audience root for and empathize with them. It’s a pretty transparent exploitive money grab. Pretty messed up. Rant over. Hahaha
"What's lacking in storytelling is making these stories universal so the gender and ethnicity is irrelevant." YES YES YES YES YES! I want this plastered on billboards, social media feeds, and t-shirts for dogs. I cannot agree more. Hollywood? LISTEN TO CHRIS GORE!!!
I see a lot of movies from India they are campy as f, but the cinematography is so well done, the love for cinema is there, and even when campy they are honest, I like when they are about their culture, I used to love Chinese movies back when they were more than CCP propaganda, Kurosawa movies are still my favorite movies and I actually do not see that in Japan nowadays, some Korean movies are good while others are just too edgy for my taste, I do not know, what I want to say is that movies do not have to be universal, it can be local but the story has to be about humans and has to be true, it does not matter if it is fantasy, it has to follow the patterns of reality an Aristotelian story.
The Terminator: Dark Fate Gender Swap really harmed the Terminator series. But a videogame called Terminator: Resistence told a better story. Yes a Videogame!
I really enjoyed the new terminator but Sarah Connor was shoved to the back and Arnie looked like he'd taken up flower arranging. I did like the Grace character - I might be the only one who liked it but Sarah Connor should be enough I suppose
That’s a really powerful question; what’s more important, the ability to see a character on screen with whom you can identify because of the characters’s gender, or race or sexuality? OR The ability to identify with a character you see on screen with whom you have little or nothing on common?
@@thegreenbird795 Taking the slightest risk might cost money. and movie making is really hard, trying to get 100's of very creative people to work together.
"Back to the future" will never happen, because Robert Zemeckis told, that while he is still alive, there will never be another movie and after his passing, he told, that he will make sure the rights will go to someone, who will not allow reboots/remakes
@@newdgamer4118 - Yes... up until Ramis died. I speculate that the agreement Ramis, Aykroyd and Murray had in place before GB2 (no further sequels without approval from all three individuals) was rendered null and void as a result.
Hollywood cares too much about trying to include everyone than quality material anymore. Remakes are usually terrible anyways, but then change characters' race/gender/sexual orientations 😐 yeah, bad idea 😅
I dont think they're truly trying to be inclusive, I think in their ridiculous board rooms, these executives decided that this is what a higher percentage of people want. For some reason.
It's how you market a product that's garbage. How do you sell a product that is unremarkable and is no better than any other product. Sell personality, sell spirit, sell the history, sell everything but the product. And use all the buzzwords like homegrown, low-fat, diverse, made by X, environmentally friendly, inclusive etc.
The mere fact that they have to gender swap or race swap to prove how diverse and empowering they are is the problem. Stop trying to prove something and just write a good story and stop using existing franchises and classics that haven’t had enough time to age. Another words making a remake from the 30s or 40s might be ideal but using something in recent memory like the 80’s or 90s is in danger of ruining people’s nostalgia, culture, and childhood. If you like Unique Independent films be sure to subscribe to our channel we don’t ruin memories we create new ones.
100% agree about the pandering . it’s tired. They always tell us to stay off of social media but it’s really Hollywood who should because they are worried about what the social media issue of the month is. Like he said in the last video, they are trying to tick as many boxes as they can despite what the creators had in mind originally. i’m a black female and most of the characters i have fallen in love with over the years do not look like me at all. take sailor moon for an example. i was drawn to her because even tho she was a cry baby, she was still able to face the baddies and save the world. growing up people said i cried too much which made me feel awful at times. however i started to feel better about myself because of sailor moon. take note that she doesn’t look like me at all. didn’t even cross my mind really. i was just enjoying her adventures to care aka the whole point. yes having more diversity in mainstream media is wonderful. the problem with hollywood is that they are just swapping beloved characters for the opposite instead of coming up with a new idea or even uplifting and supporting the great media that poc already have out there. there are so many excellent black films and shows out there (that aren’t about racial tensions :|) that have gotten no love from the mainstream. most of them more thrilling, romantic, and funnier than whatever hollywood is trying to stuff down my throat.
Exactly. I think the people just want to express how they feel about all this, while it's these big studios that need to stop listening to the internet mobs.
Yes. This is actually one of the reasons I want to work in film. Creative ideas. New ideas. Fun and entertaining and full of feelings. As a woman I hate what Hollywood pandering and lazy writing has done to what I loved.
They used to see it, but then Disney developed "the Formula" and Hollywood followed that lead. "The Formula" looks closely at what people liked in previous movies and then produces a movie that does more of the same. Safe, predictable and "guaranteed to succeed", because all the elements that make up the movie have already proven themselves. Or so it was for a while, because ultimately you're creating the same movie over and over again with only minute changes and that becomes boring quickly. Before "the Formula" became the norm, Hollywood took more risks. A typical studio would produce say 10 movies in a year. Maybe 2 of those would be outright flops, 2 or 3 would be blockbusters and the rest would kind of break even. But at the end of the year that studio would have made a handsome profit. Enter the bean-counters and/or demanding stockholders, and now every movie has to be successful and generate a profit. The first movies that won't be made anymore are those that have a high risk of failure. Then the movies that might fail are being scrapped, followed by the movies that just about break even. So now there are only 2 or 3 movies left, that all have to succeed to make profit. So the studio plays it safe and sticks to "the Formula", because you can't go wrong with that, or can you?
Movies are one of the things that taught me about other cultures and sparked my interest in them. Not having every character in a movie pander to me and my own culture would have made me pretty insensitive to other cultures and less appreciative of them.
(3:18) Luckily, Robert Zemeckis owns the rights to the Back to the Future Franchise and has made it perfectly clear that he has no interest in giving them up, admitting on several occasions over the years that Back to the Future won’t be rebooted or remade until he’s dead.
@@vicholtreman1405 No one is getting cancelled for criticising shitty movies. The entire 'culture war' phenomenon is people making stuff up, and then getting mad about it.
Emily Blunt is our generation's Sigourney Weaver. What she did in Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow is not talked about enough. Imagine her as a high ranking sith or Sue Richards. The stories all but write themselves.
EXACTLY! Your comment is underrated. I've seen both movies you've mentioned and Emily Blunt is really embodying a presence on the screen that I've never seen before with a female character and thats a good thing. It doesn't feel forced or sketchy. The way the directors implemented her in those movies plus her incredible acting actually shows, that woman can have a lead role without an indirect toxic feminist agenda in mind.
Can't say enough good things about Emily Blunt, IMO. I feel the same about Charlize Theron, to a slightly lesser degree. Emily's choice of roles has been superb and her portrayals always captivating. She has my utmost respect as an artist. Can't say enough good things about Emily Blunt...
That final plea speech at the end was gold!! Mr. Gore has articulated all my issues with mainstream studio movies these days in both this and Part 1. This man speaks truth!! I needed to hear Mr. Gore's words to recover from the recent Pinocchio films.
Especially disrespectful to the ones that stand in for the og character. Hollywood wants them to be represented but didn't care enough to create something original for them. It's the worst form of tokenism. When it's an actual creative decision I don't mind tho, just don't pander to me
@@HDGaminTutorials Not to mention there already was an existing black mermaid. Why would they turn a redhead white girl black instead of just using this other character. . .
Now that's a movie I want to see. I'll climb Mount Everest just to see it. And they must lengthen the intimate scenes for *added realism* of course. XD!!!
My son and I were just discussing this very topic! We both are in TOTAL agreement with your speaker. Please thank him for his honest and extremely on-target analysis of the way the mainstream media is attempting to go. (Chanting) Original, original,original!!!🤗🤗🤗
Back To The Future is truly one of the only big modern western fiction franchises with an untainted canon. Almost every major western fiction franchise is in some way or another scarred by greed and/or idiology. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Terminator, Pirates of the Carribean, Ghostbusters, you name it. BTTF stands as a last bastion of what a self respecting succesful franchise/story looks like.
Agree. I think it's because it wasn't actually a franchise, but a trilogy completed in the last movie- the story ended, there was nowhere else to take it that wouldn't have been forced and unnecessary and ruinous. Of course, that's how I felt after Aliens, and look what they did to that(turned it into a franchise)!
@@shaunbolton4662 It's the same with every other beloved series. They already had their real endings. Doesn't matter. It's just resurrecting the brand name and selling people nostalgia. That's all it is. People recognize a familiar IP and they buy, even though these modern "sequels" or "reboots" or whatever have nothing in common with the original and always suck. It's easy money.
Don't forget that when they do gender swap a character from male to female, they always make the male characters villains, jerks, or useless morons thinking it will make the woman look better. It doesn't. It makes her look worse
@@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769 well yeah. that's kind of the way normal people get offended. You don't get offended or white knight on behalf of someone else and we don't feel shame or guilt for not doing so or having honest selfish thoughts. we don't pretend to be more righteous then we actually are. but with the way you and yur tribe carry yourself obviously YOU are way above us and have supreme moral authority over the rest of us so what does a selfish 'bigot' like me know right.
@@cheothegeo2742 So, you think that most people don't have the empathy to care when other people are facing unjust treatment and only care about themselves and you somehow think that's a good thing? Wow.
@@cheothegeo2742 Just because you and your far right lunatic friends think that anyone who cares about other people and shows it is a pathetic loser doesn't mean that it's what normal people think
@ZAP GAMERZ Just look at fantasy books and sci fi alone. So many books out there with great stories. There's no reason not to tap into something new and fresh in stead of constant lousy reboots.
@ZAP GAMERZ They've only just come around to doing Dune properly lol, one of the greatest sci fi books of all time. Then there is Robert Heinlein books other than starship troopers. I've often thought some of Wilbur Smiths books eg River God would make a bloody good film. Basically if they've got a thousands of novels particularly bestsellers from top authors that if followed closely could be cracking films so the whole risk averse thing becomes less of an issue and more of an excuse I think not to broaden out.
As someone who used to do a lot of writing, I think people broadly fear new ideas. New and untapped Ideas are everywhere but the good ones are often burred by the many bad ideas and the internet has only made this worse.
Fury Road is one of my favorite movies of all time. It's so damn good. George Millers attention to detail in telling the story through visuals is so compelling. There was so much lore without the use of awkward exposition.
Especially the language! There's words that we've never heard and I'm like, yeah i'd see that word as a swear or insult somewhere in the wasteland future. Loved it, best movie of the 2010s.
It wasn't a gender-swap, it was a NEW character in an existing (Max's) universe, which is why it worked so well. The flame-thrower-guitar player also helped sell it to me 😀
Fury Road is a blatantly feminist movie and yet it got resounding critical acclaim... Because it wasn't a checkbox movie. It was a vision, created by a talented creative team who put in the effort to make a real movie.
It's all so tiresome. What happened to films offering entertainment rather than the constant agenda guff we get nowadays? Makes it very easy to keep my wallet closed.
Yep, take up narrative driven video games instead, much better. Even just watch some of them on youtube, may I suggest games like, 'LA Noire,' 'Heavy Rain,' or, 'Death Stranding,' for example.
Ideology-driven material wrecks the art. This is why so much of christian music and movies is garbage. So I agree to a point. But don't get it twisted, American ideology, American Exceptionalism, capitalist realism is rife thru out media. And that's just me picking on American media. So let's not get too ahead and act like ideology only just started happening. It's been happening all along to some degree or another.
It's not a matter of agenda, it's being upfront and obvious about it that interferes with stories. _RoboCop_ is a sharp satire against corporatism, but it doesn't outright have Murphy say "CORPORATIONS BAD, MMMKUY". The movie does that subtle heavy lifting.
Somehow movie executives think that if they make big cgi filled behemoths with no character development, no compelling story or themes and infuse them with political ideologies people will come running with handfuls of cash! Yet repeatedly these movies continue to fail and yet they don't learn or change their strategies. Movies used to be amazing and I loved going to the local blockbuster and picking out a new release. That was a long time ago and I can't tell you the last time I was enthralled by a film. Sad times we are living in. ☹😢😖🥺
So Yeah, I would love to hear the Critical Drinker rip this guy a new one over his shite opinion on film. Giving The Last Jedi a 9 out of 10 anything, is the sign of either a moron or a shill?
Or he can talk with Robot Head and they can discuss the merits of Rian Johnson’s directing, Chris Gore loves him some Rian it appears? ua-cam.com/video/CiZZpykJwGc/v-deo.html
The last jedi is not a bad movie if you view it in isolation from the canon and you like sjw messaging. There is plenty to like. But watching it as a star wars fan it is awful. Chris in that review specifically raises that point
I heard they're going to remake Ulysses with Leopolda Bloom, a street-wise, fast-talkin girl with a scrappy attitude who gets into wacky adventures on one crazy day in Dublin.
"But won't it be difficult to get the public on board with remaking a classic?" "Actually, it will be super easy, barely and inconvenience. We'll just say they are sexist if they don't go and see it!" "Oh, really?"
This brings up memories when a much-younger, very successful Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were talking about remaking the classic "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" Paul Newman, (R.I.P. legend) went to the both of them and was like...."just don't, PLEASE don't " thank God they listened....
You've completely missed the entire point of the talk...and that would have been great for them to do early on. Butch Cassidy is not an iconic movie... most people have never seen it.... but wow, you still missed the entire point..
TV show Alias Smith and Jones was inspired by Butch Cassidy and The Sundance kid. Alias Smith and Jones possibly inspired The A-Team with Hannible Smith named after Hannible Hayes also called Joshua Smith.
Great breakdown. When he makes his points about identifying with a character that's not you, the first thing I think about is the draw of a compelling and honest depiction of a villain. The exercise of knowing that you are not this person, nor would you ever wish to be; then inserting that into a narrative that asks "would you have done this differently?". That depiction on the inherent evil that is undeniably part of existing as a human in a human's world, how it intersects with the good in us, and how they're often one and the same. There are few things more compelling to me than an antagonist that succeeds in asking you to simultaneously oppose yourself and love your enemy (which, by nature, also asks you to the opposite). This to say that more often than not a compelling character does not need to be the person watching the film, it simply needs to be a person.
Gender swapping an established franchise to me is the pinnacle of sexism, it's the publisher's way of saying women are incapable of holding original stories up with their own two feet
When people don't want to watch their movie because it's bad and lazy writing and it fails they call them sexist, ironic twist coming from the one making the movie to cater to an audience that doesn't care about seeing good movies with original good story to tell and just use movies to send their propaganda message.
Race swapping as well. It's insulting. People don't want to see a black Little Mermaid. African tales are full of stories and myths of very similar merfolk. You can tell an original story without it being Ariel We've seen time and time that the market exists for such a movie to stand on its on but Hollywood still goes that tired ass route.
I mean, it's actually sexist towards men first and foremost Shea, let's get that clear yeah? When a male role is turned into a female role it's actually men who are being discriminated against first and foremost, the soft bigotry of low expectations that you're talking about is a CONSIDERABLY less prevalent issue than the fact that a male role was suborned because the director/execs/whoever hates men, period.
@@TRENCHESandTREADS about time someone got triggered, I didn't say it was only sexist towards women and made no moves toward that conclusion because I don't believe it
@@TRENCHESandTREADS let's be real here. If you pointed out the misandry in such an act they wouldn't give one iota of a fuck. It is only when you call them out for how it could negatively impact women in a very public approach will there even be a possibility of forcing them to backtrack on that bullshit.
Love that shirt. Had them all. When I used to have Laser Discs, that format absolutely blew away VHS. When I showed it to my friends when the VHS was the main stream, their jaws dropped by its stunning level of picture and sound quality.
Gender swapping or race swapping wouldn’t be a problem if the people writing and creating the stories where this happens were actually focused on story first and not trying to cater to who they think their audience is or would be
For real - for example people keep bringing up the idea of a female James Bond character. While I think it could be done and done well, there's a TON of sexuality and masculinity subtext that exists in the James Bond character that would have to be delicately tread by a skilled writer to simply get to the story of the Bond character they want to write. Having a female James Bond that sleeps with young men in every city they visit brings up the comparison of how we view female vs male sexuality, how that affects the mental health of the character (Daniel Craig's Bond is notable for how his sleeping with women highlights his mental state), and where that fits in the story - if the writer puts it there at all. And then you have folks going that changing any of these aspects changes what Bond is - and honestly I think only the most incredible of scripts would be able to stand up to that argument. I don't trust your run-of-the-mill Hollywood execs to be able to tread that thin thin line
The execs aren't listening to Joe and Jane everybody. They're to busy scoping out Twitter and rubbing elbows with the rest of Hollywood elite which have a very strong political bent. This is why half of em are scratching their heads wondering why so much flops. Particularly after the terrible idea gets lambasted by the public and the directors and Hollywood types come out screeching about some -ism or -phobe is the reason said film bombed. It's not about story or character anymore. It's about money and politics. Hell it's not a stretch to suggest some of these films are no better than propaganda.
As soon as he said Amelie, my heart melted. He is spot on in his explanation. Im a Latino male and was enamored with that character because of the characteristics she had that I didn't but aspired to have, even to this day. I can and do rewatch that film and still feel inspired and nostalgic.
Red (Morgan Freeman) from Shawshank Redemption was race swapped. But it was done in very, very good way. I have a problem with race swapping today because it's only for publicity and what is even worse is that they swap race in movies/series where it makes no sense at all.
Excellent videos. Funny bit at the end: all her laughter (the type of laughter children have when they're caught after a misdeed) and Chris quickly caught on to what she was trying to do. Excellent Chris Gore.
You know there's a good lesson for me, as an aspiring writer, is to avoid everything that hollywood is doing and focus on tell appealing stories instead whatever the fuck they're doing over there. Great video btw.
Unfortunately they hold the keys for these ideas to get out in the world. A child has a lot of dreams on exploring the world but the parents have the last say.
movies have been terrible since the late 90s heres a few reasons 1. too much slow motion with dramatic music 2. the picture quality 3. the camera angles, (i think called thats cinematography ?) 4. bad acting heres the way movies should be made correcting the above 1. the exorcist 2. beverly hills cop 3. 48 hrs 4. the shining 5. down and out in beverly hills 6. u-turn 7. heartbreak ridge these are just to name a few, in other words they should be made like the movies from the 80s
Just started watching it...I'll let you know. But my biggest gripes are sticking in a love interest in EVERY movie, and stale, recycled plots. Dialogue drives a movie, NOT plot. Also, books I grew up with - when adapted to the screen - everything is changed. Like you said - gender swapping. Also diversity(or lifestyle changes, or additions that weren't in the book - to appear WOKE). If a book doesn't have enough 'ooomph' to transfer to the screen on its own, don't do it!
@@immaculateorganicsoaps3533 To see how Terry Brooks sold out to get his Shannara series on the screen, and what he let hollyweird do to it...it's a fucking criime.
I can tell that the interviewer just doesn't get it. "But if they did THIS, that THAT would be interesting to see." No it wouldn't. You've just ignored everything he said about how you should be able to relate to a situation through another person's eyes. You don't need to see a female bully, then a black bully, then a black female bully, then a gay bully, then a black gay bully, or a disabled bully.
I agree that’s what she was doing but a female biff? Are you kidding? It would be so anachronistic and laughable and more likely end up like someone transplanted mean girls into BTTF. Not a brilliant idea by any stretch
The interviewer had a horrible take on Back to the Future. "Now to have a biff character that was female and bullying her..." that is literally that Chris was talking about when gender swapping. That wouldn't be interesting at all and would be just as garbage as other gender swapped movies.
I think it just goes to show that no matter how clearly you present the arguments about tokenized characters, laziness, being able to relate to others regardless of sex or race, there's still gonna be the person who nods along then says "yeah but this one would be interesting to see..." 😒
^this. I love how the interviewer didn't even get the point and just did the EXACT SAME THING. It's like it just isn't sinking in with this one lol. First, we don't need to see the same movie again but done shittier; typically the movies they want to reboot are the ones that made money... they made money because people liked them... and people liked them because they told an original story. You will NOT be able to make the same movie again and get the same reaction. If you have nothing to add or improve upon, and do not have a new story to tell using existing characters, don't bother. The characters need new challenges to face and new arcs. Changing the gender/race/sexual identity is not adding or improving upon anything that exists, and does not constitute a new and original story. This isn't rocket science, why can't people understand this?
@@naejimba but who is to say it is the same film again ? skip the incest part, focus on the bullying, the main character doesn't need to be a musician that hates being called a coward, and also the movie doesn't need to be called back to the future, that is the most important part, make a movie inspired by another one, but let it stand on its own the problem is not the genderswaping, it is the remaking, stop remaking watchable movies, instead remake bad movies with good premisses
@@ShyGirlSays Exactly what I was going to say. If the female bully sounded interesting to her, she should watch mean girls. The story has been done. Originality is all but extinct in Hollywood
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will do!
You gotta love the argument of "All modern movies are garbage" when it comes from a supposed cinephile's channel. Because great movies come out every single year, with no exception, is always unfair to say something like that. You may just be too snobby to go out of your way to even watch them, wich is you know, stupid, considering you are a supposed cinema fan. So then you are not to blame the studios entirely but yourself as an audience member. Just go to the teathre and support the people that actually give a shit instead of going to watch the next jurassic world
Obviously the vast majority of movies that get produced worldwide every year are gonna be bad. That is a fact and it will always be as long as film itself exists. Why? Because film actually takes skill to master, so you cant expect everybody that has a try at it be good. That has been true even sice the times movie snobs consider as the best for movies: We remember A Space Oddissey as the masterpiece that it is but nobody remembers Attack of the killer tomatoes. The good stuff is always gonna keep coming, but if you are totally reliant on the distribution or in the recepcion that a film gets in orden to watch it, there is something very wrong with you.
Not every movie that has a classic status is deserving of it, not every movie that is widely regarded as great is (back to the future, starwars, indiana jones). We cannot rely on the distribution that a film will get and not even in its reception. So the only solution is just going out of our way to find the actual great film. Thats something you know, a person that actually likes movies would do. But in order to do that you need to have criteria, something that if you dont pocess you should just stay out of the opinion game. We already got enough noise.
@@schmebulockjizz listen pal, blaming it on people who are clearly showcasing the problems with Hollywood today and considering that there has been no European and Japanese directors to replace their masters only shows how much of a disgustingly naive peasant you really are. Since you are so desperate to put your two cents worth, name one director on the planet that can replace a Kubrick, a Hitchcock, a Welles, old school Scorsese, Coppola and Spielberg? Who is going to replace a Kurosawa or Renoir? Nobody will, because the talent isn't there any more and society has been so dumbed down that it will never happen.
@@schmebulockjizz And yes, there may have been a Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. But do you what there isn't around today? A 2001 a Space Odyssey. And most movies out there now are worse and have less charm than Killer Tomatoes.
There is a female back to the future it’s called 13 going on 30
From what I’ve heard, the people who own the rights to the Back to the Future franchise, will never sell them precisely because they know how they will be destroyed. They are adamantly holding on to their creation for dear life regardless of how much money has been offered to them. Good for them, I say. At least someone stands on principle.
I just worry that Bob Gale will not live forever and the vultures are circling…. 😞
I would rather see them selling it and enjoy the money. We are grown ups, we wont attend the movie. Even better, we can tell, original was better and let that be free marketing to convince those, who had not seen it. Just let them loose money and, yeah, give money to original creators, why not. Star Wars was not ruined by new movies - Disney was.
Amen, it's like the cringe I get every time I see a commercial with a classic rock rift to sell their shit.
That would be the director Robert Zemeckis, which has literally said "over my dead body" to a remake. So all you can hope for is that he lives a long time and that whoever gets a hold of his rights/estate chooses to uphold his wishes.
@@TigonIII that’s correct. Bob Gale and Rob Zemekis wrote the thing. You just know that Hollyweird is waiting for them to die so that they can fuck it all up.
I am a Latin American woman. Diversity in movies to me means watching films from different countries, in different languages. I don't expect to see Costa Rican characters in Korean or Middle Eastern films. I don't need to. Humans are the same everywhere and we share similar experiences: parenthood, childhood, love, death. I empathized with Arthur Fleck in Joker. I cried for him. He's a man. I'm a woman. Our countries are different. But both of us are human, and I don't need him to be a replica of myself to feel his pain.
A beautiful comment to read
Yessssss thank you!!! Greetings from The Netherlands!
Yes, but white woke men disagree with you and think that you don't know what best for you. They, however, DO know what's best for you. Don't ya know..
@ozmartian every man at some point is trying to get laid 😂😂
Rocio, well-said. Hollywood has become too politically motivated. The Leftists in Hollywood have mangled the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s intent -- that we each be known by the content of our character, than by the color of our skin, the equipment our body carries between our legs, the preferences we have, etc. The Leftists in Hollywood are *_creating_* racism and gender divisions, not helping eliminate them.
We need more guys like this in Hollywood. I'm Nigerian and I love Batman and the Flash to death. I don't need a Nigerian Batman to see myself in the character or love the character. I actually love the diversity of stories that can be told from different cultures and points of view other than my own. Its intriguing.
Amen! Honest diversity. Today, there is too much dishonesty which creates more racism and bigotry, white-bashing, male-bashing, etc. Moral relativism and the PC, Social Justice Wuss rot are ruining our culture. We can celebrate our cultures and viewpoints without bashing anyone.
I don't get the idea of having a Nigerian batman. Hollywood won't brand him as a Nigerian but Black, making it look like an African American/Black American to pander to the African American audience
I don't know, I think a batman/punisher type character set in Nigeria could be cool.
@@peacheskong2245 Which is absurd when you think about it, because the world grew up watching American cartoons and movies, and the average person in the world doesn't look anything like the usual American lead in movies, whether white or black. People in China aren't going to care MORE about a movie with an ethnically Chinese man or woman as the lead, for the same reason people in Saudi Arabia won't either. Some might be curious about the movie but at the end of the day, fans of Alien and Batman and Blade and Indiana Jones worldwide, whether they're from Brazil or Italy or Japan, don't care specifically about the race, but the actual character(s) in the franchise. At the same time, if you make Ellen Ripley a Thai woman, Bruce Wayne a black man, or Indiana Jones a woman, they're not going to be invested in those characters. Because Ellen Ripley doesn't look Southeast Asian, Bruce Wayne isn't black, and Indiana Jones isn't female.
@@myrhev Batman- *_type,_* yes! Black Batman, no! No white Othello, no Chinese Sitting Bull, no Ethiopian George Washington. End all PC, Social Justice Wuss mentality.
The irony is, is that the original creators of iconic characters and films would today never be given a chance to pursue their vision given the current mindsets of studios
Makes me wonder what we are losing out on right now...
I have bean reading a lot of books lately there are so meny good story s out there that would be amasing movies or tv show s that are being complitly ignored
So true
@@TheHilltopPillbox , exactly! I've been thinking that. Maybe nothing will ever be as good to me as The Matrix and The Lord Of the Rings, and maybe I'm just jaded because I'm getting old, but it really does feel like it has been a long time since something really great has come along. Even the Harry Potter series was pretty good, though made more for kids. But that was 2001 - 2009. The turn of the century was crap for popular music, but great for movies.
I think the solution is to have the movie funded by foreign companies. Maybe like Singapore, South Korea, or Japan.
As a black man, I roll my eyes everytime I hear a beloved character or franchise getting switched because “diversity”. The black Superman announcement really hurt. There’s so many original characters at the disposal and they’re getting left to rot. Also, it doesn’t help when the studios behind these changes outright talk down to the fanbases for not liking them. And it’s really sad what happens to characters when they get swapped just to check a box. Look at what happened to a cool, badass character like Taskmaster in Black Widow. Reduced to a shell of what he’s supposed to be because “diversity”. It’s getting tiresome.
EDIT: Appreciate those who read the whole comment, and understood what I was trying to say instead of unnecessarily attacking with flawed logic. Crazy how people believe you, and the community whose been reading, and watching their whole lives are hateful for wanting originality. We’re living in a weird ass time lol.
There's an actual black Superman in the comics though, John Irons a.k.a. "Steel"
@@mgsxmike I know that. Lifelong comic fan. It won’t be him, though. It’ll be a black Clark Kent. Which no one wants. And no one asked for a different Supes. Even if Steel or Val Zod was being introduced, still don’t want it. If they had a solid foundation, and established a multiverse through it, it wouldn’t bug me much. But this isn’t that. Original Characters who are black, gay, and women exist. Use them. Not ride the coattails of existing characters because they’re popular. Just because he’ll be black doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. We need to get past this dumb shit.
@@NoirNameless ah I didn't know it was going to be a black Clark Kent
You are totally correct and it's just silly, people see right through it. There are many great black characters, ones white people like and white characters black people like, that's the beauty. If they want more or there is a market for more, create one. Jon Stuart is my favourite Green Lantern because he is who he is, he isn't a black Hal Jordon.
But Black superman is actually an a real separate character from Clark Kent and is quite loved by comic enthusiasts.
And don't forget to ridicule the fans and call them sexists when they don't like your crap!
But not before throwing beloved legacy characters under the bus, undermining their whole arc, and rubbing it in the fan's faces that said character never deserved recognition in the first place. See Luke Skywalker, John Connor, and if rumors are to be believed, Indiana Jones.
@@chrisnicholson2407 Destroying legacy characters is their actual #1 purpose.
Don't forget to declare that men are not welcome to watch the movie before the release and then cry that movie failed because evil sexist men didn't watch it.
@@nathanberrigan9839 You can't destroy something that is impervious to change. Only the illusion of change persists.
OK, I'll make sure to do that.
This man is speaking what general audiences have been saying to each other for 10+ years now. Glad to see someone on the inside acknowledging it.
it's too bad the general audience keeps paying to see the garbage
I don't beleave it's general audiences. People still get excited for clear bs, like when Batman Vs Superman was coming out people were losing their minds and the trailer looked like sh!t. This still happens all the time and then people are suprised the product was bad, still. General audiences doesn't know the solid directors, how thing work in the indrusty and don't seem to notice a studio movie where executives micromanage everything (like Edgar Wright dropping out of Ant-Man because he couldn't direct his version while his style would have been Perfect for that kinda story) people will just go for it. A new Fantastic Beasts movie, last ones were garpage but let's see if this is. Even these days I've noticed that general audiences put an ok movie into pedastal because it's better than what these days typically comes out. For an example the new Batman was ok and waay too hyped after release. It was a total rip off from Se7en and Saw and didn't have much of an own identity past that and it was done that way because The Joker took a lot from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy which are both directed by Scorsese and lead by DeNiro. The difference comes in with The Joker still having it's own identity and it's own thing going on, it actually made a pretty neat trick of making the audience want Arthur to shoot DeNiro's character even tho the worst thing he had done was telling couple of jokes about Arthur (the guy not being able to know Arthur having a daddy complex towards him thru tv and also being at the brink of losing his mind completely). It kinda made the audience into the side of madness quite brilliantly. The new Batman didn't really do anything new or it's own.
@@jack_meoff69 the latest movie about Buzz Light Year failed, which is only one out of quite a few that have been following this template.
I really miss the time when movies were amazing. I remember watching Spielberg movies, George Lucas Star Wars, Matrix, Lord of The Rings... And I would always leave the cinema thinking "Man, I can't believe how AWESOME those movies are, just imagine how it will be 10 years from now!" - Little did I know that it would turn into a shitstorm of terrible productions.
Maybe you should broaden your horizons a bit.
@@AardvarkDK I accept suggestions!
@@AardvarkDK Yeah, there are always some jewels, which are trying new ways, have new ideas or honor the old cinematic movie style.
But the most movies with big budgets are only sequels, reboots or DC/Marvel Comics movies, where one action scene rows another action scene and the real story happens in shitty scripted talk between such scenes. Take "Dr. Strange and Mad Multiverse"... it was an overall good movie with fresh ideas and good made action scences (The "music battle" was nice), but between those scenes, they are talking what happens or happened, instead of showing it.
The newest Harry Potter movie about Dumbledor was in my eyes terrible. So much senseless talk... please show... dont talk...
And it feels like the lazyness in story telling is getting really out of hand. New movies have so many logic errors and plot holes, like... "accept it or get away", feels like the authors think the viewer will have less IQ than a potato...
@@TheKamiran85 Yeah... That's what I mean. It's not that there aren't good movies anymore. A few recent examples being Blade Runner 2049, Everything Everywhere All at Once, and (in the TV Series realm) Dark - which are absolute masterpieces IMO. But most of what comes out nowadays is really just the "potato IQ" type of thing, which really upsets me.
@@MatheusManente lol same here, I remember when me and my buddy were fascinating about a new terminator movie (at that point only 1 and 2 existed) and how amazing that gonna be... little did we know what was coming lol
One of the most successful sci-fi horror movies of all time, Alien, features one of the greatest characters of all time. You know why it worked? Because they wrote all the characters first, calling them by their last names, meaning every single character was written AS A CHARACTER, not "this one is male, these are absolutely female". They wrote the characters without worrying about their gender, THEN they cast the people to play them.
also the acting was top notch,everything was believable,to many films in recent years have simply bad scripts or the wrong cast..
I do have to say that back when the studio was against having a female hero so to speak. It was a breakthrough role for sure but movies in the past didn’t care about culture wars or gender wars, it was always about the story and characters. That’s why better movies were made.
Exactly. If it is important for the story that the character needs to be black, white, yellow, red, gay, female, male, idiot, whatever then go ahead, but doing it so the average idiot do not get offended is so wrong.
I'm not sure it worked because of that.
it worked because it was a good story and well played.
Since Shakespeare to Dostoyevski, they all have female and male characters.
There's nothing wrong with writting a femenin character for a woman or a masculine character for a man...
People would have screamed "woke!" at the inclusion of Ripley in the film. Why? Because there are plenty of young and grown men who have this miserable outlook on life that they can't help but hate women. While everyone else would welcome Ripley as being the protagonist in the film, these men would constantly engage against that inclusion because they keep doing it and they can't help but do so because they're miserable. There is plenty of empirical evidence to this.
"I identify with so many characters that arent me." Sad how revolutionary it sounds today.
Same for me, yet I get called a sexist, racist or homephobic if I don't identity with a poorly written character that just so happens to be a woman, gay or a different ethnicity then my own. I dislike plenty of straight white male characters as well because those traits have nothing to do with it. It's everything else surrounding those characters that bother me.
Very true, A big part of the problem are sites like Rotten Tomatos and "woke" social justice reviewers like Chris Stuckman who give a false sense of what movies most people actually enjoy watching
I am a woman and I've always identified with a huge amount of male characters. And now that they're showing us female "heroes" I can't identify with them because they're poorly written and it's a f*cking shame. It's NOT about the gender but about the quallity of the character, if he or she or wathever is poorly developed, has no personality at all and struggles with absolutely nothing I can't even find a human in it. Humans are complex.
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What Hollywood is doing is a great way to prevent people from feeling empathy to people who are different from them and grooming them into being narcissists.
"The gender and ethnicity should be irrelevant". THANK YOU! That's what I've been trying to say for years! Stop focusing on characters' gender, background, sexuality or ethnicity and just write good original characters. I am going to root for and identify with them if they're well written and if their struggles are relatable. Representation is good as long is it's not the main focus of a character's personality. Then, as Chris explains, it just becomes blatant pandering.
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Amen brother
If gender and ethnicity doesn’t matter, then why are movies overwhelmingly white? They should just cast whoever’s the best for the part or produce work by people of all races?
You guys still don't get it do you. Hollywood doesn't want to create original stories and original characters if they can help it anymore. Anything other than an existing franchise with existing formula is far riskier than ever, and the only types getting greenlit on original ideas are established names like PTA and Tarantino and Scorcese (who some would say are losing their edge). Theatrical releases, now more than ever, have the added burden of not being able to rely of physical media sales if the film flops. Streaming had too heavy of an effect on the theater market for studios to take the same kinds of risks and hedge their bets like they used to. Remakes and reboots won't stop being the norm until they iron out their business models in this streaming-dominant era.
And frankly, if all the things you list are truly irrelevant then it's amazing how upset you guys get at the mere announcement of it even if the film itself barely focuses on it.
As long as those traits have no impact on/no relation to the story, I agree.
Protect Chris Gore at all costs. This man knows whats up
Everything he says is common sense and nothing new. Businesses aren't dumb. They just don't care. They do whatever works for them. It's the viewers who buy tickets and DVDs regardless that are to blame.
Protect him? From whom? You think the studios are going to whack him? Lol
Nah, he's not that special, dude
That whole "people can only identify with characters that reflect them" has always confused me... there's a movie in the MCU where viewers of all walks of life cried for a tree that can't say more than four words.
I AM GROOT
Same with representation that people mainly focus on. To me representation should be about said character( no matter the skin color or sexual preferences) choices and how the way he or she handles situations or treats people,that I can relate to and say” yea if that was me I would have done that”. The way how representation is lately,is stupid. Just because you have a African American character or Hispanic character in said movie or show doesn’t mean that people of that color should feel represented because you gave the role to someone who’s black ,Hispanic, Asian and etc. when I watch black panther,I can’t relate to T’Challa’s father because the choice he made of killing his brother without hesitation Is dumb to me considering he has a suit made of vibranium and he could have stepped in front of the gun plus he didn’t need to kill his brother
yeah it seems oddly narcissistic to think people can only like characters that are physically similar to them. and even if they do look similar, thats kinda assuming that all people of the same gender/race/age etc are exactly alike.
Yeah I never understood the assumption that I couldn’t relate to someone who wasn’t my exact demographic.
It’s not that people can’t relate otherwise fiction literally wouldn’t exist. It’s that not seeing a person like yourself portrayed as anything other than a villain or never portrayed at all sends a message about what society thinks of people like you. Normalising visibility of those characters and their stories a.) does allow for those original fresh stories we crave as they’ve historically not been given as much focus so feel fresh and b.) represent a more recognisable reality for us all and so farce stories feel more true and c.) can be insightful and enlightening and thus engaging. It’s just better storytelling. I’d done honestly and well
I am a woman and I must say... THANK YOU!! While I admit I liked some of the female lead reboots and sequels, I cannot lie; I despise "she-makes" for this reason. It is backwards writing as it relies on riding the tail of success of the original male lead version, it reinforces the false and detrimental message that women have to be men to be taken seriously, and it discourages the idea that female characters should be more than just another version of an existing character.
I agree with you, I also don't like that a lot of movies these days promote the idea that being a "Strong Female Character", mean's being a "Masculine Female Character"
Even original shows now-a-days promote this idea of a "Strong Female Character" needing to be Masculine and i think thats an appalling message to tell young girls.
"To be strong, you have to be more like boys" its BS.
A prime example of this is the new Lord of the Rings series on Amazon, Galadriel has been transformed from a Badass, Strong, Powerful and yes Feminine, Female Character. Into what you would imagine a stereo typical "Strong Male Character" to be.
From an Ethereal, Magical, demi-god like Queen, into a Female sword wielding warrior. Like What's the message supposed to be there?
@@sunsoar1822 I am not watching that series for several reasons, but seeing what they did to Galadriel broke my camel's back for me.
@@mk_wizard I'm pretty annoyed about it to be honest. I know i'm not alone in saying this, but i am a massive lord of the rings fan, and i hate that i can't even be excited to see this series.
agreed, it just makes it feel like female leads aren't as strong and need to ride the male coat tales as you said. plus it also tends to destroy the original qualities that we loved about the male lead/character by trying to fit them into a female version. some are ok while others are a flop. if the reverse were done to female characters it would not be better and many would be outraged. I do enjoy seeing characters as something different but not when it changes everything about iconic characters that i loved
@@dynogamergurl Well said!
“You need to be able to identify with people are aren’t you” is such a critical part of this. Peolle these days for some reason seem to only be able to identify with people who look EXACTLY like them which is so shallow. I’ve never had an issue identifying with people who are nothing like me on the surface.
Very true, don't pander to that kind of laziness in the audience.
It is also too easy to just blame the audience to get used to what they are spoon-fed, there is a genuine obligation of the makers to create something of substance and not only try to milk some franchise.
That substance can also be humor, I still like the "stupid" slapstick of the thirties, because the actors (Laurel & Hardy, Marx brothers) had perfect timing and delivery.
It’s only SJW’s who feel the need to identify with characters that are like them…..the rest of us (the majority) don’t give a f*ck.
most people do, you gotta remember these crazies are the minority. thats literally the reason these woke movies bomb. execs think like that and overestimate the woke audience.
@@charmawow yea, too bad they're the ones that write letters and harass everybody until they get their way.
@@cius2112 no matter how many of their movies bomb, the studios will never stop making "woke" movies. They won't get you to like them, but they'll get your kid, or your kid's kid. They don't need to make money here, they'll make money in China. Soon, every last bit of art will be gone and movies will become straight up government mouthpieces telling us which "Emmanuel Goldstein" to scream at next.
Oh....wait....
"You have to - as an audience member - have the ability to identify with someone who is not you."
This is so true.
That's why our media is so bad now, because it's created by people obsessed with self-inserts, hence all the mary sue's.
I don't disagree with this sentiment; but at the same time it holds true for other side of the coin as well.
The Ring, Old Boy and Infernal Affairs didn't need to be adapted with Western actors. The stories and acting were good enough as is, but the industry of that time didn't think audiences would connect to an Asian lead.
Seeing someone who looks like you on screen is important for Americans precisely because of how limiting Hollywood has been in allowing non-traditional casts or even leads. I dislike diversity for diversity's sake, but for the love of god please don't cast a white woman for a character named Kusanagi
Maybe it's just awkwardly put, but I don't think I need to identify with movie characters. For example, I've never been to war, don't suffer from PTSD or insomnia, and I have no inclination to kill anyone. Still, I think Taxi Driver's Travis Bickle is a great character, while the film thrives on watching him and understanding his motives. It is because he's a personality that's almost completely the opposite of my own character (and probably most people's) what makes him so interesting.
@@robderich8533 I have never been to war, suffer from PTSD or have insomnia either ... and I have actually never watched Taxi Driver (which is a big flaw in my upbringing, I know :D). But my point is that you should still be able to relate to very common human aspects like overcoming challenges and struggles without it having to be a person who is the same race, gender or sex as me.
It is the very ability to relate to humans that does not look like ourselves that makes us empathetic humans, in my opinion.
@@christianhaugboelle If you're doing most of the legwork for relating and empathizing with characters then the studio is doing a poor job.
I was laughing when he decided to talk to the camera.
He's a pro!
I totally agree with Chris Hollywood needs to find and Create New Characters.I think that Hollywood is afraid to take the Risk and continues with Ruining Great Films to re capture the Magic and you cannot do that..
@@filmcourage AND CORRECT
Problem is when creativity become a product of profiteering and corporate.
@@mickeymackenna1090 Studios can't afford risks because they'd rather get in pissing contests over how much they can spend and recoup, and they want to keep their simpleton demographic of 8-24 with disposable income, who don't discriminate about sequels and remakes. Until that demo loses its disposability, nothing will change and Hollywood will continue backing itself into an entropic corner that Lucas and Spielberg stated would cause cinema to eventually implode.
There's an actual contest going on RIGHT NOW regarding box office revenue between Avengers: Endgame and Avatar. Each gets rereleased in a theater, earns a buck more, then gets bragged about on social media... EVEN THOUGH BOTH MOVIES ARE OWNED BY THE SAME STUDIO.
Sarah Connor’s transformation from clueless waitress who couldn’t even balance her check book to the scene with her at the beginning of T-2 doing the pull ups is the GREATEST female transformation of a character ever in movies! Shame what they doing to that franchise now..
I think that is another issue, that hadn't been brought up. Some stories have a natural life span, and trying to keep them alive after that is pretty useless. Taking a standalone movie and making a sequel is hard enough. Some times you get the rare success, like with T-2 or aliens. But then trying to take a standalone movie and turn it into a 5-6 movie franchises, that basically never work. The story wasn't written to be stretched out like that.
Maybe, Ripley in Alien/Aliens comes close.
Linda Hamilton has said that she didn't want to play Sarah Connor again because the character arc was complete at the end of T2. Then she did Terminator Dark Fate anyway. Probably for the paycheck.
Just watched that movie the other day with my brother and said something very similar, T2 is arguably the greatest sequel ever.
Chin-ups*
As a female watcher, yes i agree. I see through it when it's forced. keep characters the way they were created, i dont need them gender swapped
I see this as two problems spawning a third problem.
Trying to cling to the old, while wanting to experience as if it were new once more.
There is a desire to make things new, that are topical, this isn't a bad thing. But in the current environment, the only option is try and mutate old DNA rather than creating something new an organic.
And so of course it feels artificial and false.
A time travel adventure comedy movie with a female leading cast could be amazing . . . It just wouldn't be, or rather shouldn't be, Back to the Future.
Maybe Back to the Future can just ride off into the sunset. Maybe that's okay.
Gotta be honest, the Villeneuve Dune was great, and I prefer how Kynes went out in that movie compared to the book. Plus, I think Villeneuve swapped the gender of Kynes because Kynes is a planetologist/planetary ecologist, and many cultures tend to see "Earth" (in this case, Arrakis) as a feminine entity. Villeneueve likes his themes. Gender swapping can be great when used properly and if it serves the film's themes.
The problem is that women haven't been getting great strong characters or as many compared to men. So hollywood is now overcompensating to the point of absurdity.
Like "let's gender swap iconic characters!" ... Why? There are several original characters that can be made iconic, whose stories I don't know. Why retread the same ground? Is it because Hollywood isn't sure it will sell but Superman and Batman always make bank?
And NOW when we have a lead female character they are "perfect". They have multiple amazing skills, perfect logic and are never wrong and are flawless.
This is boring. A character is interesting when they are multifaceted. Strengths and weaknesses, flaws in their thinking or beliefs that need to be overcome, when they don't win every fight. If they walk through everything on God mode then what's the point? Where is the conflict or drive to this story? This is as exciting as someone crossing on a greenlight at 8pm near a shopping mall.
Not only that but often these new "empowered" female characters are hypocrites or blatantly wrong but it can't be pointed out because then it isn't woke or supportive.
No. Characters should be called on their BS because it challenges them and should cause them to re-evaluate their actions and self.
Because there is no challenge there is no drive. Because there are no flaws there is no growth. Because there is no need to change there is no journey. Because there is no journey there is no story.
@@kittikatsou’ve spoken the wisest words. A perfect character is lazy and boring, no one likes that.
Yes, anytype of swap is just corny. Whoever defends it, just can't see beyond themselves.
I think Furiosa is a great example of creating a original character that feels like a natural fit for the franchise; she is a unique character with a unique story, Not just a female version of MAX. It adds depth to to story instead of making it feel like a more shallow box checking exercise.
EDIT: i made this comment before he got to the mad max part haha;
Hey but Furiosa takes the spotlight on that movie and was the director choice to do that, and the movie have the name Mad Max Fury Road...Mad Max!! Its about Mad Max not about Furiosa...and maybee that was the reason Charlize and Hardy don't get along😜😜👍
Using the original name was smart choice, it does take place in the mad max universe.
Haha nice. Also Furiosa didn’t overshadow Max which is important. They team up and both kick ass and it’s glorious. Unlike something like Thor: Love and Thunder where Jane overshadows Thor at times and he looks like a goof in comparison. It’s like they purposely put Thor down so that she can appear stronger.
Chris is 💯 percent correct. As a Black creator, it absolutely _pains_ me when I see or even hear about the blatant pandering that some of these execs and studios are considering. I don’t want a Black Superman - give me an original Black superhero, or at least one of the many that already exist in comics that haven’t been adapted yet. More original characters from original voices. There are so many talented creators out here with stories begging to be told that there’s no need for any blatantly pandering race- or gender-swapped remakes and reboots.
give me an original Black superhero? theres Shadow man/ Michael Leroi'(French Creole last name?) and theres Spawn/ Al simmons
@@nickm5419 I would love to see a Static Shock movie.
Here my issue with this statement. Hollywood for the vast majority of its history has been pandering to white people. Superman was created during a time when they would have never even considered making anything other then white and male. So let’s not act like the creation of the character where completely I in-removed from any form of biases. So if they make a Superman movie and it’s a black Clarke Kent first thing I’m going to ask is is the story good.
@@ericsmith9547 black have had enough time to make their own worlds that aren't tryna exploit black emotions. All movies are so basic and stereotypical. I don't wanna see a black James bond. Superman is a white man, written by a white man. Where's the problem in that
@@ericsmith9547 So what is the excuse for there not being an Icon and Rocket Movie? Or Why Milestone, a minority owned comic company failed due to, amongst other things, lack of sales. Like most other sensible black comic fans I do not want a "black Superman" I mean I could barely tolerate blue marvel as the reason for his creation was so obvious. Why don't they create a "Power man" movie as that was the African equivalent of Ssuperman back in the day. As for his origin, yeah I have no problem with them changing that as getting bitten by a cobra at the exact moment you are struck by lightning is just bad luck
I'm really beginning to like Chris Gore❕
People named Chris tend to know their stuff.
I liked him back in the g4 days
@@ChrisPeteG username checks out
@@69Kazeshini hear hear. I miss his old machine gun reviews of DVDs to check out.
He has a porn stars name who has a side in a heavy metal band.
ANY remake of Back To The Future would be an absolute travesty.
A sequel could be amusing, if done right. Marty and Jen’s grandkids find the deloreon in a garage and take it for a spin, and then end up in 1985.
@@mattwho81 Doc would have to build a new DeLorean from scratch, or the kids would have to hijack the time train from Part III. I'm pretty sure there was a 90s cartoon series that did just that with Doc/Clara's kids.
@@mattwho81 , ah, but then you're actually trying to make an original story and not just making the same movie over again.
@@mattwho81 Yeah, but they would do it dark or something, one of Doc's kids from the future is like a psychopathic timelord with a handheld time machine. "It worked with Dark Knight" is the usual answer why this dark stuff "should" work. Better not to give them bad ideas.
agreed. It was lighting in a bottle
"How you can tell a story is good? You can relate to a character if you are different from the character"
Chris is so right! That makes for a good story. I never had to see myself in another character in order to like/love the character and/or the story Why don't people do that these days and especially this generation of people? It requires literal thinking. Movies and TV show these days, the 99% of them don't require you to think about what you are watching.
Yes, a female Back to The Future reboot would not work in anyway. And when she was trying to pitch how a female Biff would work...no, it wouldn't work. The whole physical bullying from a female Biff just would not work an not be believable..
That's why people in the west are watching anime and non Hollywood movies and shows. They are still original.
@@internetwonderbuilder4741 The Simpsons is trash??
@@johnnaile9644 yes, the simpsons nowadays are trash, unfortunately
@@teors6361 so you were only half wrong...
@@johnnaile9644 I never said all American media sucks. It wasn't me
@@teors6361 Quentin Tarantino alone dominates in storytelling. 😂
"The Godfather" was okay I guess. 😂😂😂
And the door swings BOTH ways in terms of what the audience wants to see. We dislike the concept of a 'gender swap' whether it is male-to-female or female-to-male.
I don't want "Kill Bill" flipped to a guy getting revenge on a woman called "Kill Jill" or something. I don't want a reboot of Underworld that is based around a guy instead of Kate Beckinsale(although why the Hybrid character Michael wasn't more prominent in the series is beyond me) or an Alien reboot all about "Ellis Ripley" or some crap like that.
Do we need a Hunger Games re-vamp where Katniss is now a guy? No.
No one would dare defile the work of Tarantino in this way. He is already well known for being a bastard, anyone who attempted such a hack job would probably end up like Marvin.
Maybe if the movie was _Kill Jack and Jill_ then I'd be onboard.
yes! make a new movie with new characters, and call it John Wick, or mix it with another movie and call it Boss Level.. : )
Interviewer: ah, but a black, transgender female Katniss would be interesting to see...
Chris Gore: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
They will never in a million years flip the other way. There would be protests about it. Twitter would go mad and destroy cities. They only swap characters out that are male, white or straight. Its never the other way.
I don't give a flying flutter fuck about the gender/sexuality/race of a creator
I despise the notion that someone should be given a project deal because of their gender/sexuality/race. Its literally the opposite of how I was raised to regard those things, that we should judge people on their character and their personal ability.
We should treat the works like batman - as long as you can do it well, it doesnt matter if you are a kid/man/female/chipmunk.
Typical these days they are destroying the MLK ideology
@@mrpuss2519 ummmmm No, Batman is a male and he is perfect the way he is, end of story. People like you only make these cases because of the establishment shoving this rubbish down your throat.
@SH4D0W I believe the point is to get a variety of ideas. It's certainly important to have creators of good character and ability, but gender/sexuality/race change a person's perspective on life, and as a result, the sort of stories and characters they create. For that matter, it's good to have creators of different ages, cultures, and personalities, too. Not only does this create more variety across films, it allows for cross pollination between filmmakers (and storytellers in general, for that matter).
One example I like is the inspiration George Lucas drew from samurai films when creating Star Wars. Most of his inspiration was Western in origin, like Spaghetti Westerns, Dune, and other sci-fi. but that cross pollination from another culture created something unique and compelling. I believe we can all learn from each other and tell better stories as a result.
@@cryorime5 I think what you're referring to is Favreau's Mandalorian. The disagreement comes from people reinventing and ultimately ruining an older story just for the sole purpose of adding in modern politics and to appeal to SJWs. Which is what is happening, you say that having these different viewpoints will create better stories but there isn't any evidence to prove that. If you have a unique perspective then you should create unique and new stories.
You have to be able to see through the eyes of someone other than yourself. This is the magic of storytelling! You help connect people to ideas, experiences, and perspectives that aren't their own. This is the reason we love stories in multiple formats. We as writers should be connecting viewers to each other, not isolating characters to fit agendas that aren't fixing anything.
The problem is whenever they do gender swapping, they start to think that gender swapping by itself is original enough and they stop putting efforts into the story and the characters themselves.
Either that or they use it as a shield against backlash and criticism, saying you must be sexist if you don't like it.
Then the movie becomes another long winded womansplaining MEGtalk about why woman are just better than men at everything. Including ruining beloved franchises.
@@Nickulator Exactly
Then that's a lazy writing problem, not a gender swapping problem.
@@Nickulator Exactly that. You could see it on Ghostbusters 2016. Right from the very first trailer everyone hated that movie for its "If you even say one joke is not funny, You are the biggest sexist there is ....Nerd!" So every man in existence was labled "against women" by Paul Feig and Melissa McCarthy .... Now look at Ghostbusters Afterlife 95% of the fans loved the trailers, and by the looks of it, the protagonist is a lil "nerd-girl" .... so maybe its not WHO is in the story, but something never seen before .... THE STORY!
"Please, don't gender swap Back to the Future"
Studio Execs: "Write that down and do the exact opposite!"
Considering how tone deaf hollywood are they would make Mandy a lesbian. She goes back and her it turns out her mom is gay too and she has to persuade her not to be to survive. I would actually watch that thinking about it.
Holy shit, that's such an awesome movie idea! But it would be so controversial, because what's the better choice? Dying or forcing your Mom to be straight?
You got ne intrigued there 😂
They should race swap Marty McFly and call it “Black to the Future”
@@afridgetoofar1818 😂😂😂😂😂😂👌🏾
God, a Back to the Future reboot with “Mandy McFly” ….. Ugggh
It’s depressing how unoriginal Hollywood is now and they pander so much it’s disgusting
The mere fact that they have to gender swap or race swap to prove how diverse and empowering they are is the problem. Stop trying to prove something and just write a good story and stop using existing franchises and classics that haven’t had enough time to age. Another words making a remake from the 30s or 40s might be ideal but using something in recent memory like the 80’s or 90s is in danger of ruining people’s nostalgia, culture, and childhood. If you like Unique Independent films be sure to subscribe to our channel we don’t ruin memories we create new ones.
I would absolutely love to see the numbers proving pandering really works. I doubt any of the target audience they think "would watch" the Ghostbuster reboot really paid for a ticket. I just don't see the business in this, which makes me suspicious what the real motivation is.
It's funny how people always talk about how unoriginal things are "Now." Even is Shakespeare's time they were lamenting that there was nothing new to be told. The bulk of films throughout history have been unoriginal. We remember the small portion of the ones that weren't. Studios used to crank out a new film every week, most lost to time. There have been around 100 remakes of Dracula. Quantity over quality has always been the name of the game. If most films aren't new, neither is that trend.
There was a scene in Dark Fate where the Androgynous Terminator had the gall while Sarah was in the motel room to tell the female "hero" that she wasn't just the mother of the future, she WAS the future. AT was literally downplaying and mocking Sarah's importance to the franchise. This is the problem with modern Hollywood. It's all tell and no show.
It's not just gender-swapping. It's always swapping a man out for a woman, never the other way around. Or making a female side character more important than the original male character.
what im really concerned is not replacing white men for poc or females, is that 90% of the time they are red heads, not just any random white person, is hollywood trying to erase gingers ?
Well, Billy Porter, a black man, is playing the fairy godmother in the new Cinderella movie. They're going for a "genderless" take. Sigh.
You're right, we, the men, would really want to see Mean Boys, a reboot of the excellent Mean Girls.
Imagine Gossip boys, I want someone there that I can relate to
This even happened when they made Patch Adams. They replaced Adams' real life male friend with a female love interest for the movie.
But!but!but! xyz wants!waaaants a bi, black male Le Homme Nicholas! reeeeee
"I identified with so many characters that aren't me."
Literally me every time I watch an Anime or a Quentin Tarantino movie.
"Seek out original ideas"
Hollywood:Got it, let's remake korean movies.
Tenet and knives out were Original ideas😅
Kind of like how so many US tv shows had British versions before too.
Cue Oldboy
Japanese anime laughs in the face of Hollywood.
Or Indian. The originality and creativity in both of those markets seems to average far better than the recent American market.
Yes. Yes. Yes. This is so good. Chris is like the prophet of modern cinema storytelling. Studio execs should be listening because he's verbalizing what many (most?) of us are thinking (and some of which we'd be too afraid to verbalize).
I worked at a movie theatre in the 90s and just realized how many good movies came out compared to now
Going to the movies in the 90s and the early 2000s was definitely an occasion. That time and feeling is long gone.
unfortunately big companies targets existed IP's that makes them easy money and release date they don't care about good products anymore.
I remember sneaking into movies when I was a kid at those early big theatres because they would always have a number of movies I would want to see. Now it's a very rare occasion when there is a single thing that interests me.
1990’s was best decade for flicks
Only now? Lucky you lol. By by 2008 I realized very few movies coming out interested me, by 2010 my mantra was "I don't watch movies, I only watch series". I didn't even know why, just that I felt movies were no longer good. Spent the past decade just watching 90s and 80 movies. And as a so-called minority, I never once felt left out growing up in the 90s because there was a ton of representation.
the whole idea that you need to "see yourself" in the character is such a ridiculous concept, I'm was born, rise and still living in Latin America and I grew up loving anime, cartoons, comics, manga and Japanese videogames (all of which more often than not never has a Latino(a) as a lead character) and that never stop me from enjoying or relating with any of those character. a good character/story is good regardless of race, age, sexuality and gender, if not why the hell this brain dead, creatively bankrupt Hollywood people think Manga and Anime are more popular than they have ever been, is not because everybody in the world is Japanese I'll tell you that much.
Very well said. Also Anime is awesome!
The real reason? Diversity quotas for awards. Any production that wants to be considered for awards must have xyz amount of non-white actors.
Equals forced and shitty casting in most shows. Look at the new lord of the rings for example.
Shit all over an author's legends about a European fantasy and replace elves with Africans lol.
Imagine taking a black mythological story and replacing everyone with brad Pitt and Ryan Gosling lmaoo
No one cares if the writer is white though.
@@trumpsaloser um... nope you're wrong like by soooo much dude, you don't know me nor my experiences first of all yes I'm a Latino living in Latin America yet I have struggle with depression for years because, and here's the kicker, I feel like I don't fit in and don't relate to most people in my country, you can be Japanese living in Japan and still feel like you don't belong, shocker I know, I dislike/hate most of the TV shows, music and movies made in my country I very often think they suck, they do not appeal to me nor my tastes, Football (soccer) is the most beloved sport in Latin America, guess what I hate soccer, hell throughout the years my "fellow country men" have ask me where I'm from because I'm not like the average person in my country to the point that even they think I'm an outsider, I actually leave my homeland and move to another country, yes I'm still in Latin America but not the same country and sadly most people like to put all Latinos into one basket like we're all the same (that's like me saying Canada and USA is the same because they're both North and speak English), a Mexican is not a Brazilian and a Venezuelan is not a Colombian, and just because I'm a Latino in Latin America doesn't mean that I don't have issues like, who am I, what should I do, Where do I belong. those are human feelings and emotions that people from every race, gender and age can relate to, sure I live in Latin America surrounded by Latino(a)s that doesn't mean that I'm walking on the street with a happy go lucky smile saying "Oh boy I sure feel at home with so many Latinos like myself" there's a difference in feeling represented and feeling identify with someone, that's why I said that growing up I watch and enjoy a ton of media that has nothing to do with my race or nationality, because at the end of the day when it comes to entertainment it really shouldn't matter 'cause emotions are emotions and we all have them and can relate to them, that was my whole point.
@@jesuslinaresguevara9279 Exactly
Same. I'm Mexican and I loved Star Wars and Luke Skywalker as a kid. I never once thought about him being a white guy, I fell in love with his character, someone who wanted something bigger out of life (like many of us do)
I'm actually starting to believe that Ryan George's pitch meetings are an accurate account of what went down in the studio boardrooms.
The producer guy is too intelligent in that, sorry, I think it's way worse
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Oh my god, you're right. We run on tears!
I've not ever heard anyone speak about Amelie til now. I actually saw this title with my father in theatre, The last time we went to see a movie together. I absolutely LOVED that film! I'm not impressed with costly special effects. Good dialogue, character & story development make (or break) movies in my opinion.
Yeah- Charming movie that sat in a rhythm of some sort.
7:40 is actually very insightful.
This is why people who claim they are empathetic, are actually the opposite when they push for having characters that people can "identify with" - they place a premium on ones ability to see themselves, rather than ones ability to see others.
Its all part of the way the wind is blowing today, narcissist, authoritarians who claim they are fighting for a more empathic world when they are creating the opposite.
having diversity so people can identify with lots of characters isnt a problem
@@Averycriptid4020 Demanding pluralism is the exact opposite of pluralism. Think about it.
@@Averycriptid4020
And nobody complained when we had that in the 80s, 90s or 00s. Why do you think that is?
@@Trakesh To them it's all because of discrimination. "Female was oppressed, black was oppressed so nobody complained back then" they say. And now they're corrupting essentially everything they touch on media, claiming they are and were the victims so they have every right to speak up.
Well guess what. Entertainment should be about fun stuff, not lectures about equality bullshit. That's just disgusting and stupid.
@@Averycriptid4020 It is when it's not in service to a story or the characters in the story. Diversity for diversity sake is pandering and inauthentic.
Luckily Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale have said, they won't ever sell the rights and there will never be another BTTF. Let's hope, they keep that promise, no matter how big the checks get, that are thrown at them.
They kept that promise and over the years after the trilogy they regonized they had made pop culture history, so they are very aware of those implications and surely see the movies nowdays made
@@IloveElsaofArendelle You're right. I do believe they know that this is their legacy and no amount of money would justify blemishing it. Like with Star Wars, You can say all you want, you just consider the OT canon or just what Lucas did, but still the Sequels will forever leave that bitter taste in your mouth. You can't unwatch them.
Maybe BTTF is really the only franchise getting through these dark ages of cinema unscathed.
@@pentamanNET prequels hell, the sequels after Return of the Jedi we just as good a reason to send Lucas and Disney to hell for eternity.
In today's outrage culture world, the studios would do anything to find dirt on them and in that way steal it from them
Thank God!
His point about a character being relatable to everyone is EXTREMELY spot on.
We need more people like Chris Gore. He speaks for the people
I don’t know a sci-fi nut my age (mid-30s) or older who doesn’t love Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor or Dana Skully. Not because they have a uterus, but because they were great characters.
You’re reach next level if you can come up with a female character written by a woman and not a man.
@@lilmovieperp3599 Katniss Everdeen. Now what?
@@salempoor834 exactly. thanks for playing.
@@lilmovieperp3599 Huh?
@@salempoor834 nah, it felt a bit histerical all through the series.
There is a female “Back to the Future”, it’s called “Peggy Sue Got Married”.
Well said.
I would praise it but that Nicholas Cage performance was too much for me.
@@Devilsblood 🤣😂 nick Cage
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Wasn't the latest two seasons of Dr. Who a female back to the future? And it failed.
100% right. We need more people like Chris Gore making movies and less of the Hollywood fools. I may even go back to the theaters.
Chris gets it, and BTW reminds me so much of Robert Meyer Burnett...I bet they they park their shuttle craft in the same shuttle bay.
They wanted to remake all female version of Back to the Future with Justin Biber
Hollywood is virtue-signalling itself into the ground, and I'm loving it.
Out of the ashes will emerge actual storytellers, not political activists.
Let's hope so.
The worst is, I don't even have a problem with political activists in the movies in general, unfortunately, they are "political activists", fake ones, they're doing it so poorly that it will truly put them down :'')
@@PegasStar True, The fakeness just oozes off the screen.
@@PegasStar Agreed 100%. I think this may be at the crux of the issue. The studios don’t actually care about any of these topics, they just want to capitalize on it to make more $$$. They make these switches, hoping that it will sell better. And they’re not actually giving characters that are non white straight males their own stories, their own struggles, and letting us the audience identify and root for them. I’m all for movies that have a thesis statement or message, it’s just so transparent that all of these contemporary movie’s intent is to make money. Period. It’s actually really messed up when you think about it deeper. Since executives are not giving people with other identities their own stories and paths, it becomes clear that they’re using their identity alone to make more money, which just comes down to being exploitive. They’re not actually doing the work to provide different identities their own chance at success, they’re just giving them a worse written, tired worn out piece of trash to work with, and not allowing their characters to struggle in the process, which would at least help the audience root for and empathize with them. It’s a pretty transparent exploitive money grab. Pretty messed up. Rant over. Hahaha
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"What's lacking in storytelling is making these stories universal so the gender and ethnicity is irrelevant." YES YES YES YES YES! I want this plastered on billboards, social media feeds, and t-shirts for dogs. I cannot agree more. Hollywood? LISTEN TO CHRIS GORE!!!
I see a lot of movies from India they are campy as f, but the cinematography is so well done, the love for cinema is there, and even when campy they are honest, I like when they are about their culture, I used to love Chinese movies back when they were more than CCP propaganda, Kurosawa movies are still my favorite movies and I actually do not see that in Japan nowadays, some Korean movies are good while others are just too edgy for my taste, I do not know, what I want to say is that movies do not have to be universal, it can be local but the story has to be about humans and has to be true, it does not matter if it is fantasy, it has to follow the patterns of reality an Aristotelian story.
The Terminator: Dark Fate Gender Swap really harmed the Terminator series. But a videogame called Terminator: Resistence told a better story. Yes a Videogame!
It's not a unique situation. Fate of Atlantis is a better Indiana jones than Crystal Skull
@Mike MCbain I'm still mad that the only decent Disney Star Wars movie (rogue one) retconned the Dark Forces game....
Less gender swap and more reboot-itis by killing off John AT ALL in favor of another John. Second verse, same as the first.
I really enjoyed the new terminator but Sarah Connor was shoved to the back and Arnie looked like he'd taken up flower arranging. I did like the Grace character - I might be the only one who liked it but Sarah Connor should be enough I suppose
I never liked "back to the future," as a kid. it was boring being in the past. I know I'm an exception.
That’s a really powerful question; what’s more important, the ability to see a character on screen with whom you can identify because of the characters’s gender, or race or sexuality?
OR
The ability to identify with a character you see on screen with whom you have little or nothing on common?
Obviously the latter unless you need a self-insert.
Original Ideas? From Original Creators?
Hollywood: ROTFLMAO! No.
ORIGINAL SCRIPTS COST MONEY...
@@thegreenbird795 Taking the slightest risk might cost money. and movie making is really hard, trying to get 100's of very creative people to work together.
"Back to the future" will never happen, because Robert Zemeckis told, that while he is still alive, there will never be another movie and after his passing, he told, that he will make sure the rights will go to someone, who will not allow reboots/remakes
I wouldn't hold Zemeckis to that. Everyone has a price. I'm pretty sure Ivan reitman said something similar regarding Ghostbusters...
@@britbloc123 a real GB 3 was blocked by Murray I thought?
I hope that is true.
Back to the Future should not be remade.
Says the guy that did such an stellar job with The Witches movie from last year 😂
@@newdgamer4118 - Yes... up until Ramis died. I speculate that the agreement Ramis, Aykroyd and Murray had in place before GB2 (no further sequels without approval from all three individuals) was rendered null and void as a result.
Hollywood cares too much about trying to include everyone than quality material anymore. Remakes are usually terrible anyways, but then change characters' race/gender/sexual orientations 😐 yeah, bad idea 😅
They focus more on identity than originality.
It's not about true inclusivity -- it's about a divisive agenda.
I dont think they're truly trying to be inclusive, I think in their ridiculous board rooms, these executives decided that this is what a higher percentage of people want. For some reason.
It's how you market a product that's garbage.
How do you sell a product that is unremarkable and is no better than any other product.
Sell personality, sell spirit, sell the history, sell everything but the product.
And use all the buzzwords like homegrown, low-fat, diverse, made by X, environmentally friendly, inclusive etc.
The mere fact that they have to gender swap or race swap to prove how diverse and empowering they are is the problem. Stop trying to prove something and just write a good story and stop using existing franchises and classics that haven’t had enough time to age. Another words making a remake from the 30s or 40s might be ideal but using something in recent memory like the 80’s or 90s is in danger of ruining people’s nostalgia, culture, and childhood. If you like Unique Independent films be sure to subscribe to our channel we don’t ruin memories we create new ones.
Its almost as if people just want well written stories and characters. Crazy.
💯💯💯. Give me story and characters over effects and visuals anyday.
100% agree about the pandering . it’s tired. They always tell us to stay off of social media but it’s really Hollywood who should because they are worried about what the social media issue of the month is. Like he said in the last video, they are trying to tick as many boxes as they can despite what the creators had in mind originally.
i’m a black female and most of the characters i have fallen in love with over the years do not look like me at all. take sailor moon for an example. i was drawn to her because even tho she was a cry baby, she was still able to face the baddies and save the world. growing up people said i cried too much which made me feel awful at times. however i started to feel better about myself because of sailor moon. take note that she doesn’t look like me at all. didn’t even cross my mind really. i was just enjoying her adventures to care aka the whole point.
yes having more diversity in mainstream media is wonderful. the problem with hollywood is that they are just swapping beloved characters for the opposite instead of coming up with a new idea or even uplifting and supporting the great media that poc already have out there. there are so many excellent black films and shows out there (that aren’t about racial tensions :|) that have gotten no love from the mainstream. most of them more thrilling, romantic, and funnier than whatever hollywood is trying to stuff down my throat.
Exactly. I think the people just want to express how they feel about all this, while it's these big studios that need to stop listening to the internet mobs.
That’s like me, a white guy growing up in the 70s. I never thought of George Jefferson and Fred Sanford being black, they were just George and Fred.
Yes. This is actually one of the reasons I want to work in film. Creative ideas. New ideas. Fun and entertaining and full of feelings. As a woman I hate what Hollywood pandering and lazy writing has done to what I loved.
Me too, & I want to change it.
same, everything is so PC and pandering I just want to go back to the magic
"take risks"
*Hollywood producers flip through dictionary*
"Huh, don't see it"
Haha, but seriously, unless we give our money to support more original content, Hollywood will keep churning out “unoriginal” films.
They used to see it, but then Disney developed "the Formula" and Hollywood followed that lead.
"The Formula" looks closely at what people liked in previous movies and then produces a movie that does more of the same. Safe, predictable and "guaranteed to succeed", because all the elements that make up the movie have already proven themselves. Or so it was for a while, because ultimately you're creating the same movie over and over again with only minute changes and that becomes boring quickly.
Before "the Formula" became the norm, Hollywood took more risks. A typical studio would produce say 10 movies in a year. Maybe 2 of those would be outright flops, 2 or 3 would be blockbusters and the rest would kind of break even. But at the end of the year that studio would have made a handsome profit. Enter the bean-counters and/or demanding stockholders, and now every movie has to be successful and generate a profit. The first movies that won't be made anymore are those that have a high risk of failure. Then the movies that might fail are being scrapped, followed by the movies that just about break even. So now there are only 2 or 3 movies left, that all have to succeed to make profit. So the studio plays it safe and sticks to "the Formula", because you can't go wrong with that, or can you?
Movies are one of the things that taught me about other cultures and sparked my interest in them. Not having every character in a movie pander to me and my own culture would have made me pretty insensitive to other cultures and less appreciative of them.
That's the point of diversity though. So people see people different than themselves and empathize with them.
(3:18) Luckily, Robert Zemeckis owns the rights to the Back to the Future Franchise and has made it perfectly clear that he has no interest in giving them up, admitting on several occasions over the years that Back to the Future won’t be rebooted or remade until he’s dead.
We better find a way to ensure Rob Zemeckis lives forever then
Long live Robert Zemeckis!
Love this guy, and the fact he has the balls to say this stuff out loud.
The fact that it even takes balls to say this stuff outloud tells us just how pathetic our society has become.
I dont understand what you mean, what did he say which was so brave? It was just common sense.
@@listigerlurch4340 Because these days stuff like this gets you cancelled, even though it IS common sense.
@@vicholtreman1405 No one is getting cancelled for criticising shitty movies. The entire 'culture war' phenomenon is people making stuff up, and then getting mad about it.
Emily Blunt is our generation's Sigourney Weaver. What she did in Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow is not talked about enough. Imagine her as a high ranking sith or Sue Richards. The stories all but write themselves.
EXACTLY! Your comment is underrated. I've seen both movies you've mentioned and Emily Blunt is really embodying a presence on the screen that I've never seen before with a female character and thats a good thing. It doesn't feel forced or sketchy. The way the directors implemented her in those movies plus her incredible acting actually shows, that woman can have a lead role without an indirect toxic feminist agenda in mind.
Oh man, Emily Blunt in the black robes and a purple saber..
She's also great in 'The Adjustment Bureau'. Her and Matt Damon have really good chemistry.
Emily Blunt is a strong actress and she can do this part too but i always envisioned Eva green to play Darth Karrid.
Can't say enough good things about Emily Blunt, IMO. I feel the same about Charlize Theron, to a slightly lesser degree. Emily's choice of roles has been superb and her portrayals always captivating. She has my utmost respect as an artist. Can't say enough good things about Emily Blunt...
That final plea speech at the end was gold!! Mr. Gore has articulated all my issues with mainstream studio movies these days in both this and Part 1. This man speaks truth!! I needed to hear Mr. Gore's words to recover from the recent Pinocchio films.
Seems almost half of all characters are being race-swapped and gender-swapped. It's creepy, it's disrespectful.
Right like in still so upset that little mermaid isnt even A REDHEAD 😡😡😡😡
"This happens when ideology trumps art" - Quentin Tarantino.
Especially disrespectful to the ones that stand in for the og character. Hollywood wants them to be represented but didn't care enough to create something original for them. It's the worst form of tokenism. When it's an actual creative decision I don't mind tho, just don't pander to me
@@HDGaminTutorials Not to mention there already was an existing black mermaid. Why would they turn a redhead white girl black instead of just using this other character. . .
And lazy
I'd like to see a female version of Broke Back Mountain, starring Angelina Jolie and Scarlett Johansson. Just for gender equality purposes of course.
angelinas like 50 bro ill pass
Both are too old
Unedited, uncensored and with close-up shots.
Now that's a movie I want to see. I'll climb Mount Everest just to see it. And they must lengthen the intimate scenes for *added realism* of course. XD!!!
Now that's real gender equality. C'mon Hollywood, do it for Social Justice.
My son and I were just discussing this very topic! We both are in TOTAL agreement with your speaker. Please thank him for his honest and extremely on-target analysis of the way the mainstream media is attempting to go. (Chanting) Original, original,original!!!🤗🤗🤗
Back To The Future is truly one of the only big modern western fiction franchises with an untainted canon. Almost every major western fiction franchise is in some way or another scarred by greed and/or idiology. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Terminator, Pirates of the Carribean, Ghostbusters, you name it.
BTTF stands as a last bastion of what a self respecting succesful franchise/story looks like.
Agree. I think it's because it wasn't actually a franchise, but a trilogy completed in the last movie- the story ended, there was nowhere else to take it that wouldn't have been forced and unnecessary and ruinous. Of course, that's how I felt after Aliens, and look what they did to that(turned it into a franchise)!
@@shaunbolton4662 It's the same with every other beloved series. They already had their real endings. Doesn't matter. It's just resurrecting the brand name and selling people nostalgia. That's all it is. People recognize a familiar IP and they buy, even though these modern "sequels" or "reboots" or whatever have nothing in common with the original and always suck. It's easy money.
Don't forget that when they do gender swap a character from male to female, they always make the male characters villains, jerks, or useless morons thinking it will make the woman look better. It doesn't. It makes her look worse
That explains a lot. Hollywood is stinky diarrhea at this point.
So, now hate speech is a problem. Interesting how you anti SJWs only care about it when it affects you. Quite selfish
@@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769 well yeah. that's kind of the way normal people get offended. You don't get offended or white knight on behalf of someone else and we don't feel shame or guilt for not doing so or having honest selfish thoughts. we don't pretend to be more righteous then we actually are. but with the way you and yur tribe carry yourself obviously YOU are way above us and have supreme moral authority over the rest of us so what does a selfish 'bigot' like me know right.
@@cheothegeo2742 So, you think that most people don't have the empathy to care when other people are facing unjust treatment and only care about themselves and you somehow think that's a good thing? Wow.
@@cheothegeo2742 Just because you and your far right lunatic friends think that anyone who cares about other people and shows it is a pathetic loser doesn't mean that it's what normal people think
What's weird to me, is the fact that there are literally thousands of original characters and stories that Hollywood could tap into.
They're too risk averse. Film is supposed to a hybrid of entertainment and art. Producers and those involved shouldn't ignore too much of either.
@ZAP GAMERZ Just look at fantasy books and sci fi alone. So many books out there with great stories. There's no reason not to tap into something new and fresh in stead of constant lousy reboots.
Nah, but Fast and Furious 15 tho.
@ZAP GAMERZ They've only just come around to doing Dune properly lol, one of the greatest sci fi books of all time. Then there is Robert Heinlein books other than starship troopers. I've often thought some of Wilbur Smiths books eg River God would make a bloody good film. Basically if they've got a thousands of novels particularly bestsellers from top authors that if followed closely could be cracking films so the whole risk averse thing becomes less of an issue and more of an excuse I think not to broaden out.
"And that audience may not even be there" says it all.
As someone who used to do a lot of writing, I think people broadly fear new ideas. New and untapped Ideas are everywhere but the good ones are often burred by the many bad ideas and the internet has only made this worse.
And then there is also the STD of filmmaking, showing that you can boldly go and steal original ideas from small indie writers.
@@Dowlphin Sadly this seems to be the only source for new movie an TV ideas.
Fury Road is one of my favorite movies of all time. It's so damn good. George Millers attention to detail in telling the story through visuals is so compelling. There was so much lore without the use of awkward exposition.
Every character has a backstory even if it seems irrelevant.
Especially the language! There's words that we've never heard and I'm like, yeah i'd see that word as a swear or insult somewhere in the wasteland future. Loved it, best movie of the 2010s.
It wasn't a gender-swap, it was a NEW character in an existing (Max's) universe, which is why it worked so well. The flame-thrower-guitar player also helped sell it to me 😀
Fury Road is a blatantly feminist movie and yet it got resounding critical acclaim... Because it wasn't a checkbox movie. It was a vision, created by a talented creative team who put in the effort to make a real movie.
@@brothertobias how was it a feminist movie?
It's all so tiresome. What happened to films offering entertainment rather than the constant agenda guff we get nowadays? Makes it very easy to keep my wallet closed.
Yep, take up narrative driven video games instead, much better. Even just watch some of them on youtube, may I suggest games like, 'LA Noire,' 'Heavy Rain,' or, 'Death Stranding,' for example.
Ideology-driven material wrecks the art. This is why so much of christian music and movies is garbage. So I agree to a point. But don't get it twisted, American ideology, American Exceptionalism, capitalist realism is rife thru out media. And that's just me picking on American media. So let's not get too ahead and act like ideology only just started happening. It's been happening all along to some degree or another.
Does Schinder's List have an agenda?
@@christiandauz3742 PERHAPS
It's not a matter of agenda, it's being upfront and obvious about it that interferes with stories. _RoboCop_ is a sharp satire against corporatism, but it doesn't outright have Murphy say "CORPORATIONS BAD, MMMKUY". The movie does that subtle heavy lifting.
This guy is a real-life, but highly intelligent, Chris Griffin.
@Master Zero fair enough, but read a book yourself. "the create usage"? wut?
Omg, I see it now!! Hollywood pissed off Chris Griffin!!!
And Hollywood is his "Evil Monkey".
So basically, Seth Green
From family guy?
Somehow movie executives think that if they make big cgi filled behemoths with no character development, no compelling story or themes and infuse them with political ideologies people will come running with handfuls of cash! Yet repeatedly these movies continue to fail and yet they don't learn or change their strategies. Movies used to be amazing and I loved going to the local blockbuster and picking out a new release. That was a long time ago and I can't tell you the last time I was enthralled by a film. Sad times we are living in. ☹😢😖🥺
They're afraid of Twitter, their own HR departments, and their Woke employees.
“Cobra Kai” should be the model for how to reboot a franchise.
It's a sequel bruh
@@davidb4115 And a damn good one.
William Zabka should win an Emmy for his portrayal of Johhny Lawrence.
@@mattjones7226 Indeed. He really is a great actor. I hope he gets more roles beyond Johnny Lawrence .
First season was fucking amazing. Way better then I thought it could be. Second and third seasons are pretty good, but definitely have problems
Imagine chris gore having a chat with the critical drinker on this topic..
So Yeah, I would love to hear the Critical Drinker rip this guy a new one over his shite opinion on film.
Giving The Last Jedi a 9 out of 10 anything, is the sign of either a moron or a shill?
Or he can talk with Robot Head and they can discuss the merits of Rian Johnson’s directing, Chris Gore loves him some Rian it appears?
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The last jedi is not a bad movie if you view it in isolation from the canon and you like sjw messaging. There is plenty to like. But watching it as a star wars fan it is awful. Chris in that review specifically raises that point
That would be fantastic.
He was just on their last podcast for the first time a day ago. On Critical Drinker After Hours, called Open Bar #3.
If they remake Back To The Future, we riot and destroy everything.
🤣 I'm in!
Or we just don't see it, and encourage other people we know not to see it and hopefully it bombs and they loose a ton of money.
naw at this point they only respond to riots...
Mostly peaceful protest...
only if its an all black cast and they call it BLACK TO THE FUTURE!
I especially like the point of having them create new content and new characters rather than just regurgitating old plots and characters
“In the particular is contained the universal.” - James Joyce
I heard they're going to remake Ulysses with Leopolda Bloom, a street-wise, fast-talkin girl with a scrappy attitude who gets into wacky adventures on one crazy day in Dublin.
Hegel actually.
What does this mean?
@@mezzuna : It means, according to Ernst Haeckel, that _ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny._
it means you can see the whole even in small details.
“So you got a movie for me?”
“Yes, sir, I do. It’s Back to the Future, but with a female lead!”
“Wow wow wow wow wow! Wow!”
I understand that reference.
Amazing
"Oh, nothing coming between a woman and her Calvin Kleins is TIGHT."
@@commandercaptain4664 hahaha!
"But won't it be difficult to get the public on board with remaking a classic?"
"Actually, it will be super easy, barely and inconvenience. We'll just say they are sexist if they don't go and see it!"
"Oh, really?"
This brings up memories when a much-younger, very successful Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were talking about remaking the classic "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" Paul Newman, (R.I.P. legend) went to the both of them and was like...."just don't, PLEASE don't " thank God they listened....
Damn!! That would've been a complete trainwreck! Thank you Paul for keeping that from coming to fruition!
You've completely missed the entire point of the talk...and that would have been great for them to do early on. Butch Cassidy is not an iconic movie... most people have never seen it.... but wow, you still missed the entire point..
@@chuckdeuces911 it absolutely is an iconic movie but perhaps you mean not to more recent generations?
TV show Alias Smith and Jones was inspired by Butch Cassidy and The Sundance kid. Alias Smith and Jones possibly inspired The A-Team with Hannible Smith named after Hannible Hayes also called Joshua Smith.
Great breakdown. When he makes his points about identifying with a character that's not you, the first thing I think about is the draw of a compelling and honest depiction of a villain. The exercise of knowing that you are not this person, nor would you ever wish to be; then inserting that into a narrative that asks "would you have done this differently?". That depiction on the inherent evil that is undeniably part of existing as a human in a human's world, how it intersects with the good in us, and how they're often one and the same. There are few things more compelling to me than an antagonist that succeeds in asking you to simultaneously oppose yourself and love your enemy (which, by nature, also asks you to the opposite). This to say that more often than not a compelling character does not need to be the person watching the film, it simply needs to be a person.
"That audience might not even be there".
Then they're snowflakes
crickets might watch it, but only if it's free.
Gender swapping an established franchise to me is the pinnacle of sexism, it's the publisher's way of saying women are incapable of holding original stories up with their own two feet
When people don't want to watch their movie because it's bad and lazy writing and it fails they call them sexist, ironic twist coming from the one making the movie to cater to an audience that doesn't care about seeing good movies with original good story to tell and just use movies to send their propaganda message.
Race swapping as well. It's insulting.
People don't want to see a black Little Mermaid. African tales are full of stories and myths of very similar merfolk. You can tell an original story without it being Ariel
We've seen time and time that the market exists for such a movie to stand on its on but Hollywood still goes that tired ass route.
I mean, it's actually sexist towards men first and foremost Shea, let's get that clear yeah? When a male role is turned into a female role it's actually men who are being discriminated against first and foremost, the soft bigotry of low expectations that you're talking about is a CONSIDERABLY less prevalent issue than the fact that a male role was suborned because the director/execs/whoever hates men, period.
@@TRENCHESandTREADS about time someone got triggered, I didn't say it was only sexist towards women and made no moves toward that conclusion because I don't believe it
@@TRENCHESandTREADS let's be real here. If you pointed out the misandry in such an act they wouldn't give one iota of a fuck. It is only when you call them out for how it could negatively impact women in a very public approach will there even be a possibility of forcing them to backtrack on that bullshit.
Love that shirt.
Had them all. When I used to have Laser Discs, that format absolutely blew away VHS.
When I showed it to my friends when the VHS was the main stream, their jaws dropped by its stunning level of picture and sound quality.
Gender swapping or race swapping wouldn’t be a problem if the people writing and creating the stories where this happens were actually focused on story first and not trying to cater to who they think their audience is or would be
I say just make a new character regardless. Be original and make something new and great.
For real - for example people keep bringing up the idea of a female James Bond character. While I think it could be done and done well, there's a TON of sexuality and masculinity subtext that exists in the James Bond character that would have to be delicately tread by a skilled writer to simply get to the story of the Bond character they want to write. Having a female James Bond that sleeps with young men in every city they visit brings up the comparison of how we view female vs male sexuality, how that affects the mental health of the character (Daniel Craig's Bond is notable for how his sleeping with women highlights his mental state), and where that fits in the story - if the writer puts it there at all. And then you have folks going that changing any of these aspects changes what Bond is - and honestly I think only the most incredible of scripts would be able to stand up to that argument. I don't trust your run-of-the-mill Hollywood execs to be able to tread that thin thin line
The execs aren't listening to Joe and Jane everybody. They're to busy scoping out Twitter and rubbing elbows with the rest of Hollywood elite which have a very strong political bent.
This is why half of em are scratching their heads wondering why so much flops. Particularly after the terrible idea gets lambasted by the public and the directors and Hollywood types come out screeching about some -ism or -phobe is the reason said film bombed.
It's not about story or character anymore. It's about money and politics. Hell it's not a stretch to suggest some of these films are no better than propaganda.
@@FinanceMan I agree with you cuz it's pretty much tokenism and pandering.
Yeah, that's why it worked in The Boys Series.
As soon as he said Amelie, my heart melted. He is spot on in his explanation. Im a Latino male and was enamored with that character because of the characteristics she had that I didn't but aspired to have, even to this day. I can and do rewatch that film and still feel inspired and nostalgic.
No character should ever be gender or race swapped. None.
why not?? Its okay to cast recast character with different color hair but not race. Can we nationality swap characters
idk I think John Wayne was a great Genghis Khan lol
Red (Morgan Freeman) from Shawshank Redemption was race swapped. But it was done in very, very good way.
I have a problem with race swapping today because it's only for publicity and what is even worse is that they swap race in movies/series where it makes no sense at all.
@@joshdude2621 And Mickey Rooney as a bucktoothed, Fu Man Chu halloween mask.
@v1cv3g4s have you seen the Expanse? good like BSG
Excellent videos.
Funny bit at the end: all her laughter (the type of laughter children have when they're caught after a misdeed) and Chris quickly caught on to what she was trying to do.
Excellent Chris Gore.
You know there's a good lesson for me, as an aspiring writer, is to avoid everything that hollywood is doing and focus on tell appealing stories instead whatever the fuck they're doing over there. Great video btw.
Unfortunately they hold the keys for these ideas to get out in the world.
A child has a lot of dreams on exploring the world but the parents have the last say.
movies have been terrible since the late 90s heres a few reasons
1. too much slow motion with dramatic music
2. the picture quality
3. the camera angles, (i think called thats cinematography ?)
4. bad acting
heres the way movies should be made correcting the above
1. the exorcist
2. beverly hills cop
3. 48 hrs
4. the shining
5. down and out in beverly hills
6. u-turn
7. heartbreak ridge
these are just to name a few, in other words they should be made like the movies from the 80s
I’ve only just discovered this gentleman..... and thank goodness he says what so many people are thinking! He talks A LOT of sense 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
No clarification required…he’s been spot on in my eyes.
Gotta appreciate advice from the guy whose biggest credit is co-writing "My Big Fat Independent Movie" (23% Tomatoscore). LMAO
Just started watching it...I'll let you know. But my biggest gripes are sticking in a love interest in EVERY movie, and stale, recycled plots. Dialogue drives a movie, NOT plot. Also, books I grew up with - when adapted to the screen - everything is changed. Like you said - gender swapping. Also diversity(or lifestyle changes, or additions that weren't in the book - to appear WOKE). If a book doesn't have enough 'ooomph' to transfer to the screen on its own, don't do it!
Everyone knows don't see the movie if you read the book.
@@immaculateorganicsoaps3533 To see how Terry Brooks sold out to get his Shannara series on the screen, and what he let hollyweird do to it...it's a fucking criime.
I actually think the opposite is starting to happen for some reason they think a female lead would look weak having a love interst in the movie.
I can tell that the interviewer just doesn't get it. "But if they did THIS, that THAT would be interesting to see." No it wouldn't. You've just ignored everything he said about how you should be able to relate to a situation through another person's eyes. You don't need to see a female bully, then a black bully, then a black female bully, then a gay bully, then a black gay bully, or a disabled bully.
she's playing devil's advocate, obviously
I agree that’s what she was doing but a female biff? Are you kidding? It would be so anachronistic and laughable and more likely end up like someone transplanted mean girls into BTTF. Not a brilliant idea by any stretch
She may understand 100% and simply disagrees.
@@christiankrueger2330 dude do you not know what devil's advocate means?
The interviewer had a horrible take on Back to the Future. "Now to have a biff character that was female and bullying her..." that is literally that Chris was talking about when gender swapping. That wouldn't be interesting at all and would be just as garbage as other gender swapped movies.
I think it just goes to show that no matter how clearly you present the arguments about tokenized characters, laziness, being able to relate to others regardless of sex or race, there's still gonna be the person who nods along then says "yeah but this one would be interesting to see..." 😒
^this. I love how the interviewer didn't even get the point and just did the EXACT SAME THING. It's like it just isn't sinking in with this one lol. First, we don't need to see the same movie again but done shittier; typically the movies they want to reboot are the ones that made money... they made money because people liked them... and people liked them because they told an original story. You will NOT be able to make the same movie again and get the same reaction. If you have nothing to add or improve upon, and do not have a new story to tell using existing characters, don't bother. The characters need new challenges to face and new arcs. Changing the gender/race/sexual identity is not adding or improving upon anything that exists, and does not constitute a new and original story. This isn't rocket science, why can't people understand this?
@@naejimba but who is to say it is the same film again ? skip the incest part, focus on the bullying, the main character doesn't need to be a musician that hates being called a coward, and also the movie doesn't need to be called back to the future, that is the most important part, make a movie inspired by another one, but let it stand on its own
the problem is not the genderswaping, it is the remaking, stop remaking watchable movies, instead remake bad movies with good premisses
if she wants to see a female bully, she just has to watch mean girls, we don't need to see a female biff, that's a horrible idea
@@ShyGirlSays Exactly what I was going to say. If the female bully sounded interesting to her, she should watch mean girls. The story has been done. Originality is all but extinct in Hollywood
starting to love this guy, speaking out what we audience are feeling about these new content