Is the story about the Goeben and/or the Breslau sailing up to the Russian Embassy in Istanbul/Constantinople and serenading the ambassador with 'Deutschland Uber Alles' for an hour true? I remember a documentary years ago mentioned it.
Drydock question:The Kolberg Klasse of imperial German Kleiner Kreuzer were planed with turbine engines with roundabout 20000HP. On shakedown cruise 3 out of 4 ships performed about 30000+HP. How it did they manage to miscalculate the power by so far? And why was the poor "SMS Mainz", the only of its class without the "extra power" still the fastest of the four ships?
In warship games (e.g., World of Warships) the concept of using a combination of belt and extended belt armor on armored warships to 'tank' incoming fire from fore or aft is very prevalent, to the point that fighting broadside on against an enemy battleship is considered an amateurish mistake. Is this an artifact of the unrealistic nature of the games (i.e. abnormally short engagement ranges, unrealistic damage models, lack of fleet strategy) or is there something to be said for the idea of 'angling your armor' in real life? I can think of a few examples, namely early ironclad battleships with ram bows where a 'bow tanking' approach would likely be used, and it does seem that even in the dreadnought era, presenting a smaller profile to the enemy could be advantageous. Even if not fully 'bow tanking', it seems that angling a ship's armor to the maximum degree possible while still allowing all guns to fire would be optimal. Was this sort of armor angling part of the fleet doctrine of the battleship era? Or were the difficulties of controlling a fleet simply too great to worry about such details? I realize deck penetration is also an issue, but it is an issue broadside on as well. Thanks!
Such a tragedy that the West German government didn't want her as a museum. She would today be possibly the most significant warship in existence after Mikasa, Constitution and Victory. Mind you, 1963 wasn't a time when people were aware of the value of 20th century military history as an educational tool.
What is it with people immediately inclined to preserve f*cking everything. Ship is scrapped, world continues to orbit our star and you didn't missed it right before you heard from this offer.
Ensign: "MINE! MINE! MINE!" Captain: "Calm down, we'll get those Jerries soon enough." Ensign: "No sir, I mean I saw..." Captain: I said be quiet ensign, or... " Sea mine:"Ooh, a new friend."
When SMS Goeben and Breslau was in Turkish service with their German crews a part of the uniform was wearing read fez hats. I recently visited the maritime museum in Hamburg and they have one of them on display.
One thing I would add is that Goben also brought Ataturk's dead body from Istanbul to Izmit in 1938 before the body was transferred to Ankara Anitkabir final tomb.
Its really sad that germany didnt buy the ship back. A ship from the first WW wouldn`t have created a political shitstorm and germany could also got themselfs a museum ship (even poland has one)
By the time she was scrapped Goeben was the last surviving warship to have served in the Imperial German Navy, her scrapping was truly tragic for us who care about the historical significance of such matters but considering the political situation regarding Germany and the countrys history its a really touchy subject for the Germans to display relics from the Imperial and Nazi eras
The Turks wanted too much money for it. Last known offer were 8.8 Million DM in 1955. The ship was not sold till the 70s. There were a private initiative in Germany to buy it back, but they couldn't get the money together. It's a shame.
@@lukum55 As a german i must say the poeple here are acually kinda bored from this "touchy subject" and dont wanna hear it every time, but as long as there are some radicals, who say everything from this time period must me banished it will never end. For example one of my teachers around 5 years ago just treated me like a nazi, when i wore a T-Shirt with a picture of battleship Bismarck in school. Warships and tanks are just cool no matter who used them, we also dont burn down every tank museum which still has tanks from that period.
After TCG Yavuz had been dismantled many pieces of equipment onboard that had historical importance and importance for naval tradition were moved to Naval Museum in Istanbul. Even the original Kaiserliche Marine Flag is still on display. There is a 3D Museum Tour on the website of the museum that can be used to access certain exhibition but i don't know if a site on a foreign language exists.
Actually, the Turkish govt wanted to sell the ship to Germany but Germans refused. Otherwise she would be a museum ship in Hamburg, the city where she was born.
@@samanli-tw3id One of the great tragedies of naval history. People didn't appreciate this stuff as much back then, perhaps it would be a different story today. Also in the case of post-war Germany, they wanted to basically cut all ties with the nazi and imperial periods, so this may have played a significant role as well. I guess only the Americans were far-sighted enough to want to preserve a lot of their capital ships for their historical value. Even if you argue the 4 Iowa classes were preserved not for history but to be used again, the Americans still have another 4 battleships preserved aside from the Iowas, as well as carriers and other ships. Truly a shame this interesting ship, like many others, met its fate in a scrapyard.
The uncle of my grandpa (or grandma? I actually dont know anymore) was on the sms goeben. He had to walk from Turkey back to Germany and bought a Turkish cup and plate which we still have today.
I have a 1/250th scale model of the Goeben/Yavuz- it's a paper model from the JSC company of Poland- they make a lot of dreadnought-era warship models, both Allied and German. I also have the Koenig, Derfflinger, Seydlitz and I have yet to build the HMS Lion. They are very nice models and more involving than plastic.
considering that blockade of the straits, in the end, was a part of reasons which doomed Russian empire - you can say, two empires, actually. On top of that - with Russian surrender, Germany has managed to get one of the Russian battleships there for herself(another one was scuttled). So, by the end of the Great war, even this deal was technically compensated with a more powerful vessel under german naval sign.
Excellent videos of the German Navy from WW 1. I have in my ship collection a metal cast replica of the S.M.S. EMDEN, given to me by my German grandfather, probably dating back to WW1. This casting has always kept me interested in the Kaisers Navy. Please keep up the great videos of all the capital ships of the dreadnought era, and greetings from the U.S.A.
Drach, I'm not to sure if you should be a professor of naval history in Annapolis, or the British equivalent, or a stand up comedian. You seem to blend the two together awesomely.
As a german, I really wish the ship would have been preserved. It would have been the only major historic german warship I know of and one of just very few old warships in Germany itself.
There is a good alternative-history short story, "Tradition", where is its Admiral Cradock (who died at Coronel in the South Atlantic) in command of Troubridge's cruisers and destroyers, and he does a Nelson, ignores his orders and pins the German ships (Goeben and Breslau) against the Greek coast, killing them both at the cost of most of his command.
That's a bit backwards, Cradock attacked at Coronel (and died), because of Troubrdige not attacking and causing a huge scandal, because a lot of people around the time thought he should have interpreted his orders into allowing him an assault on the superior Göben. Cradock remembered that later and to prevent his career being torpedoed by another "cowardice"-scandal, he directly attacked the German force in front of him and died. Chances are however, that Troubridge was right to avoid assaulting Göben and Breslau, as the Göben outranged his cruisers, was possible even faster and his destroyers wouldn't have been able to do anything besides drawing shells away from bigger ships. Troubridge attacking Göben could have very well ended with his force wiped out, so staying away was the smarter move, imho.
I have often said timing is everything. If they had met a couple of hour later or war had been declared sooner the Goeben's history would have been much shorter.
Today, one of her propellers is in front of Gölcük Naval Base in Turkey like the photo you showed and her main mast is in front of the Heybeliada Naval High School upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Heybeli_deniz_lisesi.JPG
They did, but it struck an Iceberg in 1912. After that, they were a bit more conservative with the superlatives. *he said, furiously sweeping Invincible under the carpet*
@@craighagenbruch3800 Invincible is a traditional name for British capital ships. There have been 7 ships of the name in the Royal Navy, the first a 74-gun ship of the line captured from the French in 1747, and the last a small aircraft carrier which was one of the key units in the Falklands War.
Given that Missouri never did much, probably not. The Iowas in general have a poor combat record compared to their capabilities, due to being battleships built in the carrier age. (Yes I know they did AA and shore bombardment work, but they were never designed around these roles, don't have any particularly outstanding contributions in these areas, and were cost-inefficient at these tasks)
Didn't know the Turks offered to sell her to West Germany. Would have been an awesome museum ship, though buying her would have been an act of political suicide in the 1950s and likey would have been viewed suspiciously by all neighbours!
I have a nice 1/250 scale card model of the Goeben. I've read that there were efforts right up to about 1970 to bring her back to Germany but it didn't happen.
LOL. The Goeben was the same as the world's fastest pelican. :-) I can't imagine being the engineering officer and crew responsible for maintaining and deploying those torpedo nets lining the hull.
Tegetthoff class battleship Displacement: 20k tons. Length: 152m Beam: 27.9m Draft: 8.7m Armament: Bow, for ramming. And some guns, but they're just to let people know "Hey, this is a warship".
I am thoroughly unable to decide whether Drach has added googly eyes to the thumbnails or if that is an _outstanding_ case of parodolia. Either way: yay for fez free for all.
Sportier:Look sir british Captain:Flank speed now Sporter: BUT we are not at war sir Captain:just do it I got a bad feeling about this FRW HOURS LATER Messager: Sir important me Captain: what does it say? Messager: we are now at war with the British empire. Captain: oh... oh... OH... FASTEST WE NEED TO GET TO THE OTTOMANS NOW
After the 1989 unification of West & East Germany the Goeben would have been purchased & restored as a museum piece, the '70s were still a little too close to the '40s. Germany is scrambling around trying to find some relics of WWI & WWII; less for military glories than as tourist attractions. Germany is seriously thinking of funding the recovery of the WWI submarine UC-97 that's at the bottom of Lake Michigan, scuttled somewhat close to Chicago. It's in remarkedly good condition because of the very cold fresh water. Legally the sub is property of the USN but if the Germans recovered the submarine it would be "loaned" to that nation for upkeep. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_UC-97
"A little to close" so you are telling me 1970 was a little to close to 1940 , that's a 30 year gap , 30 *YEAR GAP* , HOW IS THAT TO LITTLE CLOSE , 1950 WAS WAY CLOSER THAN 1970 , ACTUALLY 1949 WAS THE CLOSEST YEAR TO 1940 , BECAUSE WEST GERMANY WAS CREATED IN 1949-1951 SO CLEARLY , THE REFUZE WAS POINTLESS , I NEED TO REST NOW , I AM SO ANGRY , CASE CLOSED.
@@Betrix5060 The terms "battle cruiser, armored cruiser and battleship" are not officially in the imperial fleet. These ships were officially "large cruisers" and "ships of the line".
@@harrylor66 Give it to me in German. When it comes to "official terminology" it's generally not worth getting pedantic unless you are either using the organization's primary language, or they actually specified terminology for the foreign language in question. To my knowledge the latter wasn't done by the Kaiserliche Marine, or really anyone at the time, so I defer to the former.
Effect of Yavuz was important for Turkish people because she came after loses against Greek Averof and British game for Eril and Agincourt. She become pride of navy. Also Midilli was well known in Blacksea cost people because of conwoy, hit and run against entire Russian Blacksea fleet
unexpectedly, found buttloads of documents. 1927 refit agreement with saint nazaire shipping company, 1928 mine protection kit purchase from junkers, 1932 ammunition replenishment from bofors, names of persons whom tried to fix optical systems, pension for a guy whom injured in one of the refits, and more juicy stuff on naval balance issues with greece and soviet union. probably some gross specifications for the planned ship is here somewhere, sad news is i have to pay to reach full documents :(
okay, finally found something. turkish state was focused on repairing and maintaining yavuz, even if there were talks about replacing it before the war, there is no official paper trail. however, in 1948 during whole marshall plan stuff, turkish navy requested two -clevelands- fargo-class light cruisers that were finished in 1945 and five additional warships, possibly destroyers, for defence against soviet union. this request denied on the grounds that turkish navy didn't have sufficient manpower to man this kind of force. why fargo class? because they toured middle east in 1946 and visited turkey too. however all this is based on a chicago tribune news article and there are no official requests that i can find. news may be based on two things, first fargo class was useless after the war which ended up decommissioned in 1950, and US (or press) was trying to find something to do with them or turkey was snooping around for the ships unofficially and newspaper heard about it. story ended with fletchers.
I have the computer naval war game Jutland, which includes two of Yavuz' actions vs the Russians. I play the Battle of Cape Sayrch, which has Yavuz and Midilli against five Russian predreadnought battleships. I have Midilli pull away, since it can't hurt the Russians. Yavuz vs all five of them gets interesting. Individually, Yavuz outguns any of them, but, there are five of them.
Well ... that was a somewhat odd video ... but then ... Goeben had a somewhat odd career ... The impression I got from Robert K. Massie's "Castles of Steel" www.amazon.com/Castles-Steel-Britain-Germany-Winning/dp/0345408780/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Castles+of+Steel&qid=1591367387&sr=8-1 was that it was in fact the Goeben that, by attacking Russia, got the Ottomans in the war. Massie also made a remark about the influence having a German Battle Cruiser sitting a few hundred yards from their Capital may have had on the Ottomans. He goes on to make the point that doing just that was the whole point of the Gallipolli Campaign. Which ... had the Army been willing to participate before the Turks new what they were going to do - might have worked ... .
It's a tragedy that after surviving for so long she still wasn't preserved. So if anyone ever invents time travel, pleeease go back in time and convince the ones who declined the purchase to get her back home
Question: What are those diagonally running bar things along the side of the hull (e.g. the image around 1:42 in this video) that WW1 era ships frequently seem to have?
Pinned post for Q&A :)
This is a repeat of my question: How and why did the light cruiser ROCN Chongqing (formerly HMS Aurora) defect to the Chinese Communists on 2/25/1949?
Is the story about the Goeben and/or the Breslau sailing up to the Russian Embassy in Istanbul/Constantinople and serenading the ambassador with 'Deutschland Uber Alles' for an hour true? I remember a documentary years ago mentioned it.
Drydock question:The Kolberg Klasse of imperial German Kleiner Kreuzer were planed with turbine engines with roundabout 20000HP. On shakedown cruise 3 out of 4 ships performed about 30000+HP. How it did they manage to miscalculate the power by so far? And why was the poor "SMS Mainz", the only of its class without the "extra power" still the fastest of the four ships?
In warship games (e.g., World of Warships) the concept of using a combination of belt and extended belt armor on armored warships to 'tank' incoming fire from fore or aft is very prevalent, to the point that fighting broadside on against an enemy battleship is considered an amateurish mistake. Is this an artifact of the unrealistic nature of the games (i.e. abnormally short engagement ranges, unrealistic damage models, lack of fleet strategy) or is there something to be said for the idea of 'angling your armor' in real life? I can think of a few examples, namely early ironclad battleships with ram bows where a 'bow tanking' approach would likely be used, and it does seem that even in the dreadnought era, presenting a smaller profile to the enemy could be advantageous. Even if not fully 'bow tanking', it seems that angling a ship's armor to the maximum degree possible while still allowing all guns to fire would be optimal. Was this sort of armor angling part of the fleet doctrine of the battleship era? Or were the difficulties of controlling a fleet simply too great to worry about such details? I realize deck penetration is also an issue, but it is an issue broadside on as well. Thanks!
Can you make video on how to use springsharp
Such a tragedy that the West German government didn't want her as a museum. She would today be possibly the most significant warship in existence after Mikasa, Constitution and Victory. Mind you, 1963 wasn't a time when people were aware of the value of 20th century military history as an educational tool.
Actually, Germans were very interested but Turkey demanded way too much for the ship.
What is it with people immediately inclined to preserve f*cking everything. Ship is scrapped, world continues to orbit our star and you didn't missed it right before you heard from this offer.
@@WillHayes44 because these things are interesting to visit.
@@WillHayes44By that logic, we shouldn't be keeping ancient monuments around and move on with life.
Ensign: "MINE! MINE! MINE!"
Captain: "Calm down, we'll get those Jerries soon enough."
Ensign: "No sir, I mean I saw..."
Captain: I said be quiet ensign, or... "
Sea mine:"Ooh, a new friend."
Chief: What's the matter sailor, weak stomach?
Sailor hanging over the rail: No Chief, I can throw it as far as anyone else!
Did Drach really just use a Nemo clip as an example ??
We have achieved new levels of awesomeness.
Absolutely fantastic
slight improvement that made Drach notably happier than under pre-treaty conditions
Hahaha fantastic
For a brief period, Yavuz had the unique distinction of being the only coal-fired ship with a NATO call sign.
And everyone got to wear a Fez.
If it had been a few decades later, the Turks could have saved more money by issuing a painted KFC bucket instead of a fez.
Because Fez's are cool.
So yes, there are some happy endings to life after all.
Fezzes are cool
tommy cooper mode activated
MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE
......
MINE
MEINS
Mine mine mine. Mines are everywhere!
Mine
When SMS Goeben and Breslau was in Turkish service with their German crews a part of the uniform was wearing read fez hats. I recently visited the maritime museum in Hamburg and they have one of them on display.
Such a beautiful ship. It should have been turned into a museum
“Everyone got to wear a fez.”
**happy Eighth Doctor noises**
One thing I would add is that Goben also brought Ataturk's dead body from Istanbul to Izmit in 1938 before the body was transferred to Ankara Anitkabir final tomb.
Rest in peace, SMS Goeben. You had a good run.
Its really sad that germany didnt buy the ship back. A ship from the first WW wouldn`t have created a political shitstorm and germany could also got themselfs a museum ship (even poland has one)
By the time she was scrapped Goeben was the last surviving warship to have served in the Imperial German Navy, her scrapping was truly tragic for us who care about the historical significance of such matters but considering the political situation regarding Germany and the countrys history its a really touchy subject for the Germans to display relics from the Imperial and Nazi eras
The Turks wanted too much money for it. Last known offer were 8.8 Million DM in 1955. The ship was not sold till the 70s. There were a private initiative in Germany to buy it back, but they couldn't get the money together. It's a shame.
@@lukum55 As a german i must say the poeple here are acually kinda bored from this "touchy subject" and dont wanna hear it every time, but as long as there are some radicals, who say everything from this time period must me banished it will never end. For example one of my teachers around 5 years ago just treated me like a nazi, when i wore a T-Shirt with a picture of battleship Bismarck in school. Warships and tanks are just cool no matter who used them, we also dont burn down every tank museum which still has tanks from that period.
@@strixaluco7423 No harm in remembering the past, the only way a country moves forward is by remembering its history and learning from it
@@lukum55 But in our case it is always used as a chain to hold us back.
After TCG Yavuz had been dismantled many pieces of equipment onboard that had historical importance and importance for naval tradition were moved to Naval Museum in Istanbul. Even the original Kaiserliche Marine Flag is still on display. There is a 3D Museum Tour on the website of the museum that can be used to access certain exhibition but i don't know if a site on a foreign language exists.
Actually, the Turkish govt wanted to sell the ship to Germany but Germans refused. Otherwise she would be a museum ship in Hamburg, the city where she was born.
@@samanli-tw3id One of the great tragedies of naval history. People didn't appreciate this stuff as much back then, perhaps it would be a different story today. Also in the case of post-war Germany, they wanted to basically cut all ties with the nazi and imperial periods, so this may have played a significant role as well. I guess only the Americans were far-sighted enough to want to preserve a lot of their capital ships for their historical value. Even if you argue the 4 Iowa classes were preserved not for history but to be used again, the Americans still have another 4 battleships preserved aside from the Iowas, as well as carriers and other ships. Truly a shame this interesting ship, like many others, met its fate in a scrapyard.
This is the one ship that should have been saved from the scrap yard..
Agreed. IMO far less deserving of her fate than Warspite.
Instead we got Lütjens 🤮
* a Lütjens.
If I could save any one ship it'd have been Warspite, to be honest.
@@klobiforpresident2254 , toss up between Warspite & Enterprise.
3:25 Sssshhh! Be wewy, wewy quiet! I'm hunting battlecwuisews!
That was unfortunate that West Germany didn't take them up on that. I'm sure it would have made a great museum ship.
The uncle of my grandpa (or grandma? I actually dont know anymore) was on the sms goeben. He had to walk from Turkey back to Germany and bought a Turkish cup and plate which we still have today.
"And everyone got to wear a fez so I guess there is some happy ending to live after all"
You're Commentary is hilarious
Keep up the good work!
I wish we (Germany) bought back this ship when we had the chance!
I wish, we (Republic of Turkey) had kept it as a museum since she was one and only battlecruiser of our country.
@@artunkansu4461 THAT'S OUR BATTLECRUISER NOT YOURS!!
@@merafirewing6591 You dont understand.
A real shame man, what was wrong with them
@@V-V1875-h
No regard for heritage. Still not as bad as the British government after WWII...
The crews started to wear fez's because fez's are cool.
But just, when you're Eleven ;-)
I have a 1/250th scale model of the Goeben/Yavuz- it's a paper model from the JSC company of Poland- they make a lot of dreadnought-era warship models, both Allied and German. I also have the Koenig, Derfflinger, Seydlitz and I have yet to build the HMS Lion. They are very nice models and more involving than plastic.
One of the great chess moves in history. One doomed capital exchanged for an entire empire. A good opening gambit by any standards.
considering that blockade of the straits, in the end, was a part of reasons which doomed Russian empire - you can say, two empires, actually.
On top of that - with Russian surrender, Germany has managed to get one of the Russian battleships there for herself(another one was scuttled). So, by the end of the Great war, even this deal was technically compensated with a more powerful vessel under german naval sign.
Love the seagull and pelican animated comedy, hilariously accurate. 👍👍
‘The guns of August’ brought me to your channel
Met the USS Missouri... For a moment there I thought we were going to see another "... You have got to be kidding me" engagement. xD
My first pet was a gerbil named Yavuz, after this ship!
There were two or three really beautiful photos of her. Thanks
Excellent videos of the German Navy from WW 1. I have in my ship collection a metal cast replica of the S.M.S. EMDEN, given to me by my German grandfather, probably dating back to WW1. This casting has always kept me interested in the Kaisers Navy. Please keep up the great videos of all the capital ships of the dreadnought era, and greetings from the U.S.A.
The crew got Fez's but did they get 12 jammy dodgers and pot of coffee?
Drach, I'm not to sure if you should be a professor of naval history in Annapolis, or the British equivalent, or a stand up comedian. You seem to blend the two together awesomely.
The British equivalent would be Britannia Naval College, Dartmouth I think.
As a german, I really wish the ship would have been preserved. It would have been the only major historic german warship I know of and one of just very few old warships in Germany itself.
There is a good alternative-history short story, "Tradition", where is its Admiral Cradock (who died at Coronel in the South Atlantic) in command of Troubridge's cruisers and destroyers, and he does a Nelson, ignores his orders and pins the German ships (Goeben and Breslau) against the Greek coast, killing them both at the cost of most of his command.
Kredok did not attack, as did Traubij. The British only wanted to drive the Germans into the Black Sea to disrupt the Russian Bosphorus operation
That's a bit backwards, Cradock attacked at Coronel (and died), because of Troubrdige not attacking and causing a huge scandal, because a lot of people around the time thought he should have interpreted his orders into allowing him an assault on the superior Göben. Cradock remembered that later and to prevent his career being torpedoed by another "cowardice"-scandal, he directly attacked the German force in front of him and died.
Chances are however, that Troubridge was right to avoid assaulting Göben and Breslau, as the Göben outranged his cruisers, was possible even faster and his destroyers wouldn't have been able to do anything besides drawing shells away from bigger ships.
Troubridge attacking Göben could have very well ended with his force wiped out, so staying away was the smarter move, imho.
The fact that they asked for it to be a museum ship yet west germany declined and was eventually scrapped made me sad
Germany - Refusing to preserve/scrapping history, one piece at a time.
I have often said timing is everything. If they had met a couple of hour later or war had been declared sooner the Goeben's history would have been much shorter.
Today, one of her propellers is in front of Gölcük Naval Base in Turkey like the photo you showed and her main mast is in front of the Heybeliada Naval High School
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Heybeli_deniz_lisesi.JPG
1:50 you have no idea how much i replayed that clip
indomitable, indefatigable, inflexible i wonder if the brits had the unsinkable?
No, but they had the Invincible, which sunk at Jutland
They did, but it struck an Iceberg in 1912. After that, they were a bit more conservative with the superlatives. *he said, furiously sweeping Invincible under the carpet*
hate to see the persons face who xamw up with invincible only to find out that ship sank hahahahahaha
@@craighagenbruch3800 Invincible is a traditional name for British capital ships. There have been 7 ships of the name in the Royal Navy, the first a 74-gun ship of the line captured from the French in 1747, and the last a small aircraft carrier which was one of the key units in the Falklands War.
@@fg3893 all 3 were sunk at Jutland. None of their ships lived up to their names
Repeating my suggestion for a review of light cruiser HMS Aurora/ROCN Chongqing.
wonder if Goeben were in Jutland. One less British battlecruiser down maybe?
Cool that she got to meet the Missouri.
I bet those gals traded some good stories.
Given that Missouri never did much, probably not. The Iowas in general have a poor combat record compared to their capabilities, due to being battleships built in the carrier age. (Yes I know they did AA and shore bombardment work, but they were never designed around these roles, don't have any particularly outstanding contributions in these areas, and were cost-inefficient at these tasks)
the Goeben knows the Missouri didn't do much. The Goeben is just being a polite old lady. lol
@@camrsr5463 LMAO
MINE old chap MINE old chap MINE old chap MINE old chap MINE old chap MINE old chap
One a side note, now I want a fez...
You say Fez and the crossword/Dutch puzzle wants Tarbush and vice-versa!:-) You bring this alive for me. Thanks D 🖖
I bluddy love this channel!!!!!
Lol. I love drachs sense of humor.
"Everyone got to wear a fez"
I was born almost 100 years too late :'(
Very fine observation
5:05 colorized footage of the bismarck
Didn't know the Turks offered to sell her to West Germany. Would have been an awesome museum ship, though buying her would have been an act of political suicide in the 1950s and likey would have been viewed suspiciously by all neighbours!
They did offer a substantial amount of money in 1955. Turkey just wanted more.
turkey was trying to buy three us light cruisers to replace her
I have a nice 1/250 scale card model of the Goeben. I've read that there were efforts right up to about 1970 to bring her back to Germany but it didn't happen.
LOL. The Goeben was the same as the world's fastest pelican. :-) I can't imagine being the engineering officer and crew responsible for maintaining and deploying those torpedo nets lining the hull.
Very good and funny graphics
Good use of movie, to get your point a crossed.
Tegetthoff class battleship
Displacement: 20k tons.
Length: 152m
Beam: 27.9m
Draft: 8.7m
Armament: Bow, for ramming. And some guns, but they're just to let people know "Hey, this is a warship".
Some guns ? Four triple turrets were a lot.
@@TheKingofbrooklin Tegetthoff.
@@Grimmwoldds Yes as I said. The Austria-Hungarian dreadnoughts with 12 x 12inch. guns.
@@TheKingofbrooklin r/woosh
The Ship, that changed the World.
Absolutely excellent funny as 🤣🤣🤣
Fez-tivities begin on
16 August 1914 as Goeben is renamed Yavuz Sultan Selim.
Good video thank you
I am thoroughly unable to decide whether Drach has added googly eyes to the thumbnails or if that is an _outstanding_ case of parodolia. Either way: yay for fez free for all.
Sportier:Look sir british
Captain:Flank speed now
Sporter: BUT we are not at war sir
Captain:just do it I got a bad feeling about this
FRW HOURS LATER
Messager: Sir important me
Captain: what does it say?
Messager: we are now at war with the British empire.
Captain: oh... oh... OH... FASTEST WE NEED TO GET TO THE OTTOMANS NOW
Very sad that this ship is not go to a museum
There are very few big-gun capital ships that actually made a major contribution in a war. This is one of them.
After the 1989 unification of West & East Germany the Goeben would have been purchased & restored as a museum piece, the '70s were still a little too close to the '40s. Germany is scrambling around trying to find some relics of WWI & WWII; less for military glories than as tourist attractions. Germany is seriously thinking of funding the recovery of the WWI submarine UC-97 that's at the bottom of Lake Michigan, scuttled somewhat close to Chicago. It's in remarkedly good condition because of the very cold fresh water. Legally the sub is property of the USN but if the Germans recovered the submarine it would be "loaned" to that nation for upkeep. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_UC-97
"A little to close" so you are telling me 1970 was a little to close to 1940 , that's a 30 year gap , 30 *YEAR GAP* , HOW IS THAT TO LITTLE CLOSE , 1950 WAS WAY CLOSER THAN 1970 , ACTUALLY 1949 WAS THE CLOSEST YEAR TO 1940 , BECAUSE WEST GERMANY WAS CREATED IN 1949-1951 SO CLEARLY , THE REFUZE WAS POINTLESS , I NEED TO REST NOW , I AM SO ANGRY , CASE CLOSED.
They escaped the pursuing British and were feeling very FEZtive
When I saw Elmer Fudd, I knew how this hunt was gonna go 😂
Gotta love those great war memes.
Brilliant!!!!
9:22 min shows the Large Cruiser S.M.S. Blücher, BTW.
Large Cruiser? I thought she was an Armored Cruiser/Small Battlecruiser.
@@Betrix5060 The germans called them often large cruisers during that time before the terminology got internationalised.
@@TheKingofbrooklin Fair enough. And like Drach said, with a few relatively minor modifications she would've made a solid treaty era heavy cruiser.
@@Betrix5060 The terms "battle cruiser, armored cruiser and battleship" are not officially in the imperial fleet. These ships were officially "large cruisers" and "ships of the line".
@@harrylor66 Give it to me in German. When it comes to "official terminology" it's generally not worth getting pedantic unless you are either using the organization's primary language, or they actually specified terminology for the foreign language in question. To my knowledge the latter wasn't done by the Kaiserliche Marine, or really anyone at the time, so I defer to the former.
Effect of Yavuz was important for Turkish people because she came after loses against Greek Averof and British game for Eril and Agincourt. She become pride of navy. Also Midilli was well known in Blacksea cost people because of conwoy, hit and run against entire Russian Blacksea fleet
What is your opinion on the conspiracy theory involving the switching of Titanic's and Olympic's identities following the collision with HMS Hawke?
A good ship outlasting the regime that built her. Nice.
Would you mind adding the Russian Gagnut-class Battleships to the list?
Why on Earth would they name a ship after Raglan?! That's like naming a ship after McClellan.
Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine.
Which mine?
Underwater mine 🤣🤣
I love your sarcastic humor it had me lmao!
Really enjoyed this video but any chance of shortening the intro - maybe just by a boom or two?
If Noa's Ark was the World's most important ship, the 🇹🇷 Yavuz Selim, is the second most important! ⚓
She is always missed and never be forgotten.
8:55 any idea as to what possible designs were considered as an possible replacement for the Yavuz?
I might dig through the online archives, but don’t get your hopes up
unexpectedly, found buttloads of documents. 1927 refit agreement with saint nazaire shipping company, 1928 mine protection kit purchase from junkers, 1932 ammunition replenishment from bofors, names of persons whom tried to fix optical systems, pension for a guy whom injured in one of the refits, and more juicy stuff on naval balance issues with greece and soviet union. probably some gross specifications for the planned ship is here somewhere, sad news is i have to pay to reach full documents :(
okay, finally found something. turkish state was focused on repairing and maintaining yavuz, even if there were talks about replacing it before the war, there is no official paper trail. however, in 1948 during whole marshall plan stuff, turkish navy requested two -clevelands- fargo-class light cruisers that were finished in 1945 and five additional warships, possibly destroyers, for defence against soviet union. this request denied on the grounds that turkish navy didn't have sufficient manpower to man this kind of force. why fargo class? because they toured middle east in 1946 and visited turkey too. however all this is based on a chicago tribune news article and there are no official requests that i can find. news may be based on two things, first fargo class was useless after the war which ended up decommissioned in 1950, and US (or press) was trying to find something to do with them or turkey was snooping around for the ships unofficially and newspaper heard about it. story ended with fletchers.
@Drachinifel - What happened to you videos? The intro and Outro volume is like 3 times the value of the recording...
The single most effektive battleship or warship in the World, and it dealt the British their greates defeat in the history.
3 this morning! Hell yeah
You're going to have to get some sleep you know. 😴👍
I have the computer naval war game Jutland, which includes two of Yavuz' actions vs the Russians. I play the Battle of Cape Sayrch, which has Yavuz and Midilli against five Russian predreadnought battleships. I have Midilli pull away, since it can't hurt the Russians. Yavuz vs all five of them gets interesting. Individually, Yavuz outguns any of them, but, there are five of them.
No mentioning of Mr Churchills order before the declaration of war concerning Goeben and Breslau ? (:-)
Can only cover so much in 5 mins 😩
“The Guns of August” brought me here
No I'm never gonna do it without the fez on
Oh no
Would have been interesting if East-Germany would have bought her back.
Der Alman'ach I don’t think the soviet union would have been very happy about that then
@@timber_wulf5775 Why not ? The soviets even encouraged east germany to rebuild a Wehrmacht inspired military.
*laughs so hard at the clip*
Ah damn if only the German government had bought her, she would be one of the coolest museum ships ever.
Well ... that was a somewhat odd video ... but then ... Goeben had a somewhat odd career ...
The impression I got from Robert K. Massie's "Castles of Steel"
www.amazon.com/Castles-Steel-Britain-Germany-Winning/dp/0345408780/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Castles+of+Steel&qid=1591367387&sr=8-1
was that it was in fact the Goeben that, by attacking Russia, got the Ottomans in the war. Massie also made a remark about the influence having a German Battle Cruiser sitting a few hundred yards from their Capital may have had on the Ottomans.
He goes on to make the point that doing just that was the whole point of the Gallipolli Campaign. Which ... had the Army been willing to participate before the Turks new what they were going to do - might have worked ...
.
*_MINE MINE MINE MINE_*
Genius! :D
Lovecraft Elder Sign...?
4:56 LOL 😂
It's a tragedy that after surviving for so long she still wasn't preserved. So if anyone ever invents time travel, pleeease go back in time and convince the ones who declined the purchase to get her back home
Aint gonna do it without the fez on. (Often quoted german seaman's conversation).
Question: What are those diagonally running bar things along the side of the hull (e.g. the image around 1:42 in this video) that WW1 era ships frequently seem to have?
@Raymond Leone I see! Thanks!
On a lot of these old navy ships, I see these angled pipe-like things running down the hull at an angle. What are they? Thanks in advance.
They are booms for the torpedo nets
@@yongonn7966 Thank you very much. I wondered…!
Finally!
Fezzes are cool ....
Lol....Nemo.....?........it works for me...lol